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Update v5hcyu4 (2024-10-22) - Dr J. Jay Couey discusses the human genome [Charles Kovess].diarized.vtt 

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[J Jay Couey]: Schrodinger because on page 21 and again, you got to read the whole book. [J Jay Couey]: Schrodinger because on page 21 and again, you got to read the whole book.
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[J Jay Couey]: The whole book is just mesmerizing It's gonna go a little bit farther here [J Jay Couey]: The whole book is just mesmerizing. It's gonna go a little bit farther here.
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[J Jay Couey]: So the physical laws rest on atomic statistics and are therefore only approximate is one of the first things you really need to understand. [J Jay Couey]: So the physical laws rest on atomic statistics and are therefore only approximate is one of the first things you really need to understand.
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[J Jay Couey]: But I just want to get past all this stuff, just to make sure that you understand that this whole book is really important to read, because it is a guy who sees the problem. [J Jay Couey]: But I just want to get past all this stuff, just to make sure that you understand that this whole book is really important to read, because it is a guy who sees the problem.
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[J Jay Couey]: And so in the second part, he's talking about the hereditary mechanism. [J Jay Couey]: And so in the second part, he's talking about the hereditary mechanism
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[J Jay Couey]: and what the problem is. [J Jay Couey]: and what the problem is.
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[J Jay Couey]: And he sees a very big problem, but a lot of the people who read this book don't seem to realize that he sees this problem. [J Jay Couey]: And he sees a very big problem, but a lot of the people who read this book don't seem to realize that he sees this problem.
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[J Jay Couey]: So the hereditary code script, chromosomes, let me use the word pattern of an organism in the sense in which the biologist calls it the four-dimensional pattern, meaning not only the structure and functioning of that organism in the adult or in any particular stage, [J Jay Couey]: So "the hereditary code script, chromosomes, let me use the word pattern of an organism in the sense in which the biologist calls it the four-dimensional pattern, meaning not only the structure and functioning of that organism in the adult or in any particular stage,
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[J Jay Couey]: but the whole of its ontogenetic development from the fertilized egg cell to the stage of maturity when the organism begins to reproduce itself. [J Jay Couey]: but the whole of its ontogenetic development from the fertilized egg cell to the stage of maturity when the organism begins to reproduce itself.
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[J Jay Couey]: Now, this whole four-dimensional pattern is known to be determined by the structure of that one cell, the fertilized egg. [J Jay Couey]: Now, this whole four-dimensional pattern is known to be determined by the structure of that one cell, the fertilized egg."
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[J Jay Couey]: Known to be determined. [J Jay Couey]: Known to be determined.
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[J Jay Couey]: And this is the trick. [J Jay Couey]: And this is the trick.
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[J Jay Couey]: Every complete set of chromosomes contains the full code. [J Jay Couey]: "Every complete set of chromosomes contains the full code.
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[J Jay Couey]: So there are, as a rule, two copies of the latter in the fertilized egg cell, which forms the earliest stage of the future individual. [J Jay Couey]: "So there are, as a rule, two copies of the latter in the fertilized egg cell, which forms the earliest stage of the future individual."
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[J Jay Couey]: And then we go down here and he says, you know, that it can be a black cock or a speckled hen or a fly or a maize plant, a rhododendron, a beetle, a mouse, or a woman, to which we may add that the appearances of the egg cells are often remarkably similar. [J Jay Couey]: "And then we go down here and he says, you know, that it can be a black cock or a speckled hen or a fly or a maize plant, a rhododendron, a beetle, a mouse, or a woman, to which we may add that the appearances of the egg cells are often remarkably similar.
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[J Jay Couey]: And so even when they are not, as in the case of the comparatively gigantic eggs of birds and reptiles, the difference is not so much in the relevant structures as in the nutritive material, which in these cases is added for obvious reasons. [J Jay Couey]: "And so even when they are not, as in the case of the comparatively gigantic eggs of birds and reptiles, the difference is not so much in the relevant structures as in the nutritive material, which in these cases is added for obvious reasons.
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[J Jay Couey]: But the term codescript, of course, is too narrow. [J Jay Couey]: "But the term codescript, of course, is too narrow.
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[J Jay Couey]: The chromosome structures are at the same time instrumental in bringing about the development they foreshadow. [J Jay Couey]: "The chromosome structures are at the same time instrumental in bringing about the development they foreshadow.
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[J Jay Couey]: They are law, code, and executive power. [J Jay Couey]: "They are law, code, and executive power.
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[J Jay Couey]: Or, to use another simile, they are the architect's plan and the builder's craft in one. [J Jay Couey]: "Or, to use another simile, they are the architect's plan and the builder's craft in one."
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[J Jay Couey]: And so my argument will be that up until now, and including the present day, biologists are only able to scratch the surface of the part that encodes proteins. [J Jay Couey]: And so my argument will be that up until now, and including the present day, biologists are only able to scratch the surface of the part that encodes proteins.
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[J Jay Couey]: I've just never did realize that people were already codifying it so eloquently already back when this guy's book was written, because this is not part of Biology 101. [J Jay Couey]: I've just never did realize that people were already codifying it so eloquently already back when this guy's book was written, because this is not part of Biology 101.
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[J Jay Couey]: Desjardins, you don't read Schrodinger, you don't read Jonas Salk's Survival of the Wisest, where they say exactly the same thing. [J Jay Couey]: de Chardin, you don't read Schrodinger, you don't read Jonas Salk's Survival of the Wisest, where they say exactly the same thing.
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[J Jay Couey]: The determinist aspect of our biology means that as a species we need to put our big boy pants on and start taking control of our evolution, because we are a phenomenon, we aren't individuals. [J Jay Couey]: The determinist aspect of our biology means that as a species we need to put our big boy pants on and start taking control of our evolution, because we are a phenomenon, we aren't individuals.
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[J Jay Couey]: methodologies that are responsible for all the biologics in the world, all the sequencing technologies, all of this stuff, he was involved in it. [J Jay Couey]: methodologies that are responsible for all the biologics in the world, all the sequencing technologies, all of this stuff, he was involved in it.
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[J Jay Couey]: And if you go down to the discussion here, I want you to point out that the idea of this actually started at the Department of Energy. [J Jay Couey]: And if you go down to the discussion here, I want to point out that the idea of this actually started at the Department of Energy.
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[J Jay Couey]: And I don't know if anyone's aware that's not in the United States. [J Jay Couey]: And I don't know if anyone's aware that's not in the United States.
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[J Jay Couey]: And in fact, this is a direct admission [J Jay Couey]: And in fact, this is a direct admission
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[J Jay Couey]: that it descends from the same funding and the same secrecy that DITRA comes from, that the State Department uses, and that all of the Manhattan Project used. [J Jay Couey]: that it descends from the same funding and the same secrecy that DTRA comes from, that the State Department uses, and that all of the Manhattan Project used.
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[J Jay Couey]: And so in order to maintain that secrecy, in order to maintain that funding stream, a lot of those physicists that were involved in the Manhattan Project actually went into the precursor projects of the Human Genome Project. [J Jay Couey]: And so in order to maintain that secrecy, in order to maintain that funding stream, a lot of those physicists that were involved in the Manhattan Project actually went into the precursor projects of the Human Genome Project.
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[J Jay Couey]: So, instead of speaking for an hour, I already probably spoke too long, I want to be able to answer as many questions as anybody wants to throw at me, even from previous talks. [J Jay Couey]: So, instead of speaking for an hour, I already probably spoke too long, I want to be able to answer as many questions as anybody wants to throw at me, even from previous talks.
[Charles Kovess]: Wonderful.
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[J Jay Couey]: of a [J Jay Couey]: You're going to find a lot of pushback...I would say try to get Kevin McKernan on here. Try to get Kevin McKernan on here again without me here and
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[J Jay Couey]: And let me give you a few questions that you can ask him that will reveal exactly what kind of chicanery is going on now. [J Jay Couey]: And let me give you a few questions that you can ask him that will reveal exactly what kind of chicanery is going on now.
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[Charles Kovess]: Well, Jay, loved it, loved it, not disappointed at all. [Charles Kovess]: Well, Jay, loved it, loved it, not disappointed at all.
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[Charles Kovess]: I love the series of questions and I love what the intent of this group is to stop thinking, yes, I know how life works. [Charles Kovess]: I love the series of questions and I love what...the intent of this group is to stop thinking, yes, I know how life works.
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[Charles Kovess]: And so thank you for, we'll call this the confession of JJ. [Charles Kovess]: And so thank you for, we'll call this the confession of JJ.
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[Charles Kovess]: The people that I've been around for a long time have said similar things, including Ian Brighthope has told this group about the depth of understanding of the functioning of the human cell is minuscule. [Charles Kovess]: The people that I've been around for a long time have said similar things, including Ian Brighthope has told this group about the depth of understanding of the functioning of the human cell is minuscule.
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[Charles Kovess]: So the sheer ego of people saying this is how it works, it's lovely to be reminded of that. [Charles Kovess]: So the sheer ego of people saying this is how it works, it's lovely to be reminded of that. You know...
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[J Jay Couey]: You know, there's lots of them. [J Jay Couey]: Oh there's lots of them.
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[J Jay Couey]: And I just say there's that in the same list of things to download. [J Jay Couey]: And I just say there's, that in the same list of things to download.
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[J Jay Couey]: There's a book by Dennis Noble called Understanding Living Systems. [J Jay Couey]: There's a book by Dennis Noble called Understanding Living Systems.
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[J Jay Couey]: He's still at it. [J Jay Couey]: He's still at it.
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[J Jay Couey]: You know, these one of many dudes who this is me discovering that there were a lot of people out there. [J Jay Couey]: You know, these one of many dudes who...this is me discovering that there were a lot of people out there.
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[J Jay Couey]: It's not my idea. [J Jay Couey]: It's not my idea.
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[J Jay Couey]: And so, if you look at a long enough timescale in your imagination, spiders don't ever have to have come from anything, but they can still be a constantly changing vibration, and we can be constantly changing vibrations without having to have come from more primitive ones. [J Jay Couey]: And so, if you look at a long enough timescale in your imagination, spiders don't ever have to have come from anything, but they can still be a constantly changing vibration, and we can be constantly changing vibrations without having to have come from more primitive ones.
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[J Jay Couey]: So again, I feel like the lack of data from anywhere but now [J Jay Couey]: So again, I feel like the lack of data from anywhere but now,
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[J Jay Couey]: And also the idea, for example, that everybody that collects dinosaur bones doesn't work for a university, but as a private company, and they only sell models. [J Jay Couey]: and also the idea, for example, that everybody that collects dinosaur bones doesn't work for a university, but as a private company, and they only sell models.
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[J Jay Couey]: And it just, for me, it's all starting to drive me nuts because I know that the exaggeration is multi-generational. [J Jay Couey]: And it just, for me, it's all starting to drive me nuts because I know that the exaggeration is multi-generational.
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[J Jay Couey]: Yeah and somewhere in there a lightning bolt hit a mud puddle on a rock that was really the right space away from the star to have liquid water and then it's been there for about a billion years and that's why. [J Jay Couey]: Yeah and somewhere in there a lightning bolt hit a mud puddle on a rock that was really the right space away from the star to have liquid water and then it's been there for about a billion years and that's why.
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[J Jay Couey]: Exactly. [Stephen Frost]: Exactly.
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[J Jay Couey]: Amazing, isn't it? [Stephen Frost]: Amazing, isn't it?
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[Charles Kovess]: All right, let's go to questions. [Charles Kovess]: All right, let's go to questions.
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[Charles Kovess]: Thank you, Charles. [Stephen Frost]: Thank you, Charles.
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[Charles Kovess]: Yes, very good. [Stephen Frost]: Yes, very good.
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[Charles Kovess]: Well done. [Charles Kovess]: Well done.
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[Charles Kovess]: I was wondering a bit there. [Stephen Frost]: I was wandering a bit there.
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[Charles Kovess]: Dave Raznick, we've got lots of hands up, lots of conversation to be had. [Charles Kovess]: Dave Raznick, we've got lots of hands up, lots of conversation to be had.
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[David Rasnick]: I'm writing a book, and it's got a lot of stuff in it about that. [David Rasnick]: I'm writing a book, and it's got a lot of stuff in it about that.
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[David Rasnick]: And just a couple of interesting things I want to share with everybody once I realize the unimportance of individual genes and the DNA and all that, much less important in the realm that people think it is. [David Rasnick]: And just a couple of interesting things I want to share with everybody once I realized the unimportance of individual genes and the DNA and all that, much less important in the realm than people think it is.
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[David Rasnick]: Some of the specifics that I've learned, I'm not a genetics guy. [David Rasnick]: Some of the specifics that I've learned, I'm not a genetics guy.
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[David Rasnick]: I said what I wanted to say. [David Rasnick]: I said what I wanted to say.
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[Charles Kovess]: Good to hear from you, Dick. [J Jay Couey]: Good to hear from you, Dave.
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[J Jay Couey]: Thank you. [J Jay Couey]: Thank you.
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[Charles Kovess]: John. [Charles Kovess]: John.
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[Charles Kovess]: John Lukacs. [Charles Kovess]: John Lukach.
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[John Lukach]: Hey, JJ. [John Lukach]: Hey, JJ.

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