guest.speaking/MedicalDoctors4CovidEthicsIntl-CharlesKovess/v5hcyu4 (2024-10-22) - Dr J. Jay Couey discusses the human genome [Charles Kovess]/v5hcyu4 (2024-10-22) - Dr J. Jay Couey discusses the human genome [Charles Kovess].diarized.vtt
[Charles Kovess]: meeting of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
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[Charles Kovess]: We're having an urgent announcement for five minutes to start before I introduce Jay Cooey, wonderful presenter, wonderful thinker, who's joining us today.
[Charles Kovess]: We're having an urgent announcement for five minutes to start before I introduce Jay Couey, wonderful presenter, wonderful thinker, who's joining us today.
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[Charles Kovess]: We're going to have five minutes from Craig Partycooper, who's presented to us twice before.
[Charles Kovess]: We're going to have five minutes from Craig Paardekooper, who's presented to us twice before.
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[Charles Kovess]: This group was founded over three years ago by Stephen Frost.
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[Charles Kovess]: I'm Charles Cobis.
[Charles Kovess]: I'm Charles Kovess.
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[Charles Kovess]: I'll do a shortened
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[Charles Kovess]: The meeting is recorded, is uploaded onto the Rumble channel.
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[Charles Kovess]: And before I introduce Jay Cooey, Craig Patacoupa, the next five minutes is yours.
[Charles Kovess]: And before I introduce Jay Couey, Craig Paardekooper, the next five minutes is yours.
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[Charles Kovess]: We are all ears.
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[Craig]: At the bottom of the
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[Craig]: I've provided links, so here you have, you can find this information under COVID and Colt.
[Craig]: I've provided links, so here you have, you can find this information under COVID and Cult.
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[Craig]: I've created a document that's about 40 pages where I go into detail in analyzing the image.
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[Charles Kovess]: He will discuss with Stephen and I will stop his sharing there and
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[Charles Kovess]: Jonathan J. Cooey.
[Charles Kovess]: Jonathan J. Couey.
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[Charles Kovess]: I'm delighted to have you again to talk about the Human Genome Project.
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[J Jay Couey]: You can also find this book on the Internet Archive and if you just search for Erwin Schrodinger and What is Life, there are probably
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[J Jay Couey]: Many places where you can find the PDF of it some of the PDFs have this cover some of the PDFs have a little chicken on the front There's a Cambridge version.
[J Jay Couey]: many places where you can find the PDF of it some of the PDFs have this cover some of the PDFs have a little chicken on the front There's a Cambridge version.
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[J Jay Couey]: There's a there's another well.
[J Jay Couey]: There's a there's another as well.
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[J Jay Couey]: This one's also a Cambridge version.
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[J Jay Couey]: Maybe there's multiple ones anyway, I think that the reason why this book is so interesting is because it
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[J Jay Couey]: It has become clear to me in trying to formulate a new Biology 101 for freshman students in college that something is really wrong with Campbell, the book that everybody uses at universities in America, and with the help of my friend Mark Kulak and other people like Peter Hotez and others,
[J Jay Couey]: It has become clear to me in trying to formulate a new Biology 101 for freshman students in college that something is really wrong with Campbell, the book that everybody uses at universities in America, and with the help of my friend Mark Kulacz and other people like Peter Hotez and others,
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[J Jay Couey]: It has become very clear to me that there is a long mentor chain of thoughtfulness with regard to answering some very crucial questions about what we can and can't understand about ourselves.
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[J Jay Couey]: I think the best example that I have, I'm just going to take a cut right here.
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[J Jay Couey]: I have little notes, and I'm just going to grab this notes here.
[J Jay Couey]: I have little notes, and I'm just going to grab this note here.
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[J Jay Couey]: I'm going to drop this in the chat.
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[J Jay Couey]: And for me, that's
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[J Jay Couey]: That's where the rubber doesn't meet the road anymore.
[J Jay Couey]: that's where the rubber doesn't meet the road anymore.
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[J Jay Couey]: For me, as a child and as a biologist, when I was a kid, there was no question in my mind that what I was looking at and appreciating was beyond a simple explanation.
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[J Jay Couey]: That kid was constantly being told to shut up when it came to formulating my grant questions or teaching people what it was that I was trying to address as a concept with my experiments, because reductionist biology necessarily requires you to only pick a few knobs and then
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[J Jay Couey]: ten that okay if I leave these two knobs alone and turn knob number one then I get one result and if I turn knob number one with knob number two I get another result and then that's supposed to be understanding the system because you're ignoring all the other knobs that you know exist and the ones that you haven't even found yet and the art of being a ten-year professor is being able to
[J Jay Couey]: pretend that okay if I leave these two knobs alone and turn knob number one then I get one result and if I turn knob number one with knob number two I get another result and then that's supposed to be understanding the system because you're ignoring all the other knobs that you know exist and the ones that you haven't even found yet and the art of being a tenured professor is being able to
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[J Jay Couey]: at the same time as you justify how important the knobs are that you're turning, also very humbly admit that you don't know what any of the other knobs do and you're sure that they do things important too.
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[J Jay Couey]: And there are people who are experts on birds and can tell you what things you have to put in your backyard to attract which birds and which birds you want to attract when you have a certain sickness, and which birds will come and announce that the sicknesses are coming and all this stuff.
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[J Jay Couey]: And you can imagine very easily this elaborate mythology that would be created with weather and with what birds eat and all this other knowledge that could be misconstrued.
[J Jay Couey]: And you can imagine very easily this elaborate mythology that would be created with weather and with what birds eat and all this other knowledge that could be misconstrued
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[J Jay Couey]: as birds being an intimate connection to nature and to our health and to our understanding of our biology.
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[J Jay Couey]: And with a crafty set of liars, you could get that to work, you could get that to go, even if at the beginning everything was really well-meant and it seemed to really work, that if you attract cardinals, then generally speaking, families are healthier than people that have crows in their backyard, whatever the anecdotal observations that get misconstrued as understanding are.
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[J Jay Couey]: but then understand that at the beginning of this revolution, we were being propelled forward.
[J Jay Couey]: But then understand that at the beginning of this revolution, we were being propelled forward.
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[J Jay Couey]: Our greatest thinkers were chemists and physicists.
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[J Jay Couey]: And this is something that needs to be very clear in everybody's head as a starting biologist, or a restarting biologist, or a recovering biologist.
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[J Jay Couey]: You have to see that an organism is something that moves through space, it's a pattern integrity that remains integrism to and through time.
[J Jay Couey]: You have to see that an organism is something that moves through space, it's a pattern integrity that remains integrated to and through time.
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[J Jay Couey]: And it's that developmental time course from a child to an adult, to an older adult, to an elderly person, that is a single course
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[J Jay Couey]: So the preliminary answer which this little book will endeavor to expound and establish can be summarized as follows.
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[J Jay Couey]: The obvious inability of present-day physics and chemistry to account for such events is no reason at all for doubting that they can be accounted for by those sciences.
[J Jay Couey]: "The obvious inability of present-day physics and chemistry to account for such events is no reason at all for doubting that they can be accounted for by those sciences."
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[J Jay Couey]: So just because we don't have the microscopes, just because we don't have the fine instruments, doesn't mean that when we do, we won't be able to just account for everything by physics and chemistry.
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[J Jay Couey]: And so it is very important to understand that that premise
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[J Jay Couey]: That premise is central to Biology 101 at every university in the Western world, and it is absolutely central to the idea that the Human Genome Project accomplished anything at all.
[J Jay Couey]: that premise is central to Biology 101 at every university in the Western world, and it is absolutely central to the idea that the Human Genome Project accomplished anything at all.
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[J Jay Couey]: because the concept is very different than what it actually is.
[J Jay Couey]: Because the concept is very different than what it actually is.
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[J Jay Couey]: This is written at a time when they're getting excited about the possibility of identifying this chemistry, and the identification of this chemistry was immediately taken as proof that this was true.
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[J Jay Couey]: I have a list of a couple things that I wanna talk to you about, and the rest I just wanna share things to read.
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[J Jay Couey]: Also on that list of GigaOM Biological slash stuff is this book, which is, I guess you can't see that, maybe I can do this, is The Phenomenon of Man by Teilhard de Chardin.
[J Jay Couey]: Also on that list of Gigaohm Biological slash stuff is this book, which is, I guess you can't see that, maybe I can do this, is The Phenomenon of Man by Teilhard de Chardin.
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[J Jay Couey]: He is a Jesuit priest
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[J Jay Couey]: Why?
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[J Jay Couey]: Because he was really, really into that pith down man guy.
[J Jay Couey]: Because he was really, really into that Pithdown Man guy.
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[J Jay Couey]: I don't know if you remember this, but there was something in the 20s or the 30s or the 40s.
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[J Jay Couey]: And this priest
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[J Jay Couey]: took the pith down man and ran with it, and said that that meant Darwin was right, and that meant that we were descended from animals, and the church didn't like that.
[J Jay Couey]: took the Pithdown Man and ran with it, and said that that meant Darwin was right, and that meant that we were descended from animals, and the church didn't like that.
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[J Jay Couey]: But this guy was really like, oh, this solves the problem.
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[J Jay Couey]: went for evolution fully, and also in this thing said that the shape of the planet being round meant that at some point the phenomenon of man, the species of man, would become one
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[J Jay Couey]: cognitive unit, a no-sphere, and that would be the way that we would move forward.
[J Jay Couey]: cognitive unit, a noosphere, and that would be the way that we would move forward.
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[J Jay Couey]: I may have said this before, and if I have I apologize, but Julian Huxley characterized this idea as the equivalent of fish swimming in groups in the water, and men
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[J Jay Couey]: And so I think it's just really telling to read the first part here.
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[J Jay Couey]: The rediscovery of Mendel's laws of heredity in the opening weeks of the 20th century.
[J Jay Couey]: "The rediscovery of Mendel's laws of heredity in the opening weeks of the 20th century..."
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[J Jay Couey]: The opening weeks of the 20th century.
[J Jay Couey]: The opening weeks of the 20th century,
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[J Jay Couey]: which is actually around the same few years that we were talking about with regard to the Pithdown Man, and with regard to when this guy was starting to get in trouble with the Church because he was saying evolution.
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[J Jay Couey]: Mendel spent a long time breeding pea plants that started to show consistent traits.
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[J Jay Couey]: It's not that he just started with pea plants with wrinkles and pea plants without wrinkles and then did these studies and voila, I wrote the book.
[J Jay Couey]: It's not that he just started with pea plants with wrinkles and pea plants without wrinkles and then did these studies and voila, wrote the book.
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[J Jay Couey]: that's not how it worked.
[J Jay Couey]: That's not how it worked.
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[J Jay Couey]: He first had to breed these plants long enough so that the traits were consistent.
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[J Jay Couey]: And what is a knockout mouse?
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[J Jay Couey]: A knockout mouse is a mouse that supposedly has a protein, a gene, at that time a protein was really the gene that you would knock out or a gene.
[J Jay Couey]: A knockout mouse is a mouse that supposedly has a protein, a gene, at that time a protein was really the gene that you would knock out, or a gene.
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[J Jay Couey]: And so you'd knock out a protein and if you got lucky enough and the mouse lived
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[J Jay Couey]: And they also believe, for example, in this thing, and I know this is out of date now, but in 2003, there was a paper by the last name of Hillis, and they put together this plot where they put like 2,000 plus species on it, and they tried to make this tree where it starts with the most basic kinds of protists and then splits, and now you get all the rest of life, and here's where the bacteria are over here,
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[J Jay Couey]: here are the animals and we're over on this part if you can see my my arrow here and so this is like a PDF you can zoom in and see all the animals that they did and yet all we have is a snapshot
[J Jay Couey]: here are the animals and we're over on this part if you can see my my arrow here and so this is like a PDF you can zoom in and see all the animals that they did and yet all we have is a snapshot.
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[J Jay Couey]: Just like with this coronavirus or with this latest, there was a latest neuroscience paper, not neuroscience, nature paper that came out that showed that they went for some used AI to find all the RNA viruses in some sample and they found all kinds of new viruses or potential new viruses using metagenomic sequences.
[J Jay Couey]: Just like with this coronavirus or with this latest, there was a latest Neuroscience paper, not Neuroscience, Nature paper that came out that showed that they went for some used AI to find all the RNA viruses in some sample and they found all kinds of new viruses or potential new viruses using metagenomic sequences.
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[J Jay Couey]: It's no different.
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[J Jay Couey]: That these main foundational cornerstone bricks are that the DNA is the code for life,
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[J Jay Couey]: And therefore, it's just a matter of time before we are able to understand it, use it, manipulate it, improve it.
[J Jay Couey]: and therefore, it's just a matter of time before we are able to understand it, use it, manipulate it, improve it.
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[J Jay Couey]: And everything else is an assumption.
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[J Jay Couey]: And I even based my understanding of the brain and my organization of my thoughts on how to pursue a further understanding of the brain based on this idea that I had to think of neurons as expressing
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[J Jay Couey]: Jeans and jeans coming on and off and how even though we can't monitor that we assume it's happening and all of this gets fueled by these.
[J Jay Couey]: genes and genes coming on and off and how even though we can't monitor that we assume it's happening and all of this gets fueled by these.
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[J Jay Couey]: These wonderful cartoons and and all of these elaborate animations.
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[J Jay Couey]: And youin that same video that I assign you for homework he will at some point.
[J Jay Couey]: And you...in that same video that I assign you for homework he will at some point
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[J Jay Couey]: he will show you a video that somebody made, a computer animation of DNA being copied and proofread, and in that entire model there's no water molecules, there's no other proteins and chaperones around, there's no bases anywhere, it's just, you know, making a nice little thing, but that model doesn't even
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