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I think I hear some choppers, I got some choppers over my house, I don't know what to say but
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Andrew Huff said choppers, other people have had choppers, I got choppers over my house
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every night, I must be over the target.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank
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you, thank you, thank you, thank you
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thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you
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thank you, thank you, thank you
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thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you
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thank you thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you Thank you, thank you
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I found the mummy!
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Well, gang, I guess that wraps up the mystery, and the mummy too!
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We will win!
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Are we doing the city of the A's?
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Yes.
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Are we doing the city of the A's?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Two days ago.
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What sites did you see?
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Think of a bear and a tummy.
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Ball?
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Ball?
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Ball?
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You don't understand Mr. Brown.
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The bomb is a holy weapon of peace.
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Are we doing the stand on the city of the A's?
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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
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This is KIGO, oh, biological, high-resistance, low-noise,
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information brief brought to you by a biologist at 7th of October, 2023.
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The Nobel Prize has recently been awarded for the extraordinary
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extraordinary vaccines that have saved almost 14 million lives.
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They're misleading the young ladies and gentlemen.
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We've got to put a stop to it.
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They are misleading the young.
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And we've got to put a stop to it.
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We've got to teach them the history before it's erased forever.
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The next generations are being set up with lies.
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We cannot hand over our children to these charlatans.
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It's going to require everyone to stand up.
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Even if you can see the brick wall at the back of the theater,
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there are other people who can't.
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We've got to show them.
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We've got to show them.
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There was no spread in New York City infectious clones,
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and the only real threat to placebo batches were likely
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distributed, and transfection in healthy mammals is dumb.
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Protocols were murdered, gained a function in mythology.
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The Scooby-Doo mystery is a real thing,
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and the players are spectacularly committed to lies.
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That's all we got here.
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MUSIC
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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
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This is Giga Home Biological High Resistance Low Noise
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Information Brief brought to you by a biologist.
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My name is Jonathan Cooey.
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I'm coming to you from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
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Like I said, it's the 7th of October, 2023,
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and we've got so much work to do.
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It's kind of absurd.
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So we just have to keep working,
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and that's why, once again, I'm here to tell you
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not to take the debate on social media,
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not to take the debate on television,
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but keep learning the biology,
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keep trying to learn the real history,
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keep trying to learn how money really works,
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and take measures to save your family from this nonsense,
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but definitely, please definitely disengage
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from solving this mystery.
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It's not a mystery that needs solving,
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and that's the reason why we're here at Giga Home Biological,
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because it is not a matter of what is true that counts,
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but a matter of what is perceived to be true,
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and they've known that for a very long time,
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much longer than a few years.
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Chatty GTP is an illusion compared to the amount of control
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that they've had over us through this very mechanism
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of controlling the spectrum of debate
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and having a very lively debate within that controlled spectrum
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to make it seem like everybody's free.
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When in reality, the very perceived reality
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is defined by that debate itself,
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and that's what the intellectual dark web has done to us.
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That's why we keep making these people map discussions,
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because we need to figure out what these people did in 2019
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and 2020 and 21,
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so that we can see if there's a consistent pattern of behavior
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fighting for sovereignty and fighting for the sacred,
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and if not, then we need to disengage from them.
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And so we've talked many times,
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but the essential illusion, the essential faith,
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is the idea that there was a novel virus
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that everyone was vulnerable to.
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The idea that we had to do something,
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and that's why we took the extreme measures
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of giving little kids iPads at home
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and shutting down schools,
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shutting down small businesses,
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masking children,
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separating people from their elderly family members,
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the whole nine yards.
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And if you want to really see through it,
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the easy way to do it is to find people
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who are telling you that this transfection is not immunization.
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Try to find people that are telling you
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that intramuscular injection
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of any combination of substances,
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the augment the immune system is a pretty dumb idea.
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And then you'll be able to whittle it down really fast,
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because most people are talking about bioweapons,
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most people are talking about amyloidosis,
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most people are talking about crazy lipid nanoparticle,
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poor quality control,
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and people are talking about DNA contamination.
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And so we're almost there.
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But as long as we stay focused on their little spectrum of debate
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where maybe the mRNA was done or rushed wrong incorrectly,
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Nobel Prize was given to the wrong person for the wrong reason,
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then we're not arguing about what we should be arguing about.
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And we're not asking the right questions.
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I think that's another way to think about it if that helps you better.
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These people have tricked us into asking the wrong questions.
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These people have tricked us into chasing the wrong villains.
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These people have tricked us into trying to solve the wrong mystery.
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And they've given us this illusion of consensus about what that mystery is,
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the illusion of consensus about what the obvious conclusion is,
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the illusion of consensus that we have all come to agree about this
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when we haven't.
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We have discussed recently with Denny Rancour and Peter McCullough on my stream
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about the all-cause mortality being quite unrevealing with regard to
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a novel cause of death sweeping the world like a plague.
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The math doesn't support the idea of a novel cause of death
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sweeping the world like a plague.
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And that's a problem because if you say to somebody that there's a new cause of death on Earth
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and that everybody's equally vulnerable to it,
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and then there isn't an increase in all cause mortality across age groups
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that's detectable in temporal relationship to this declaration,
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you have a problem.
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If where there is an outbreak in one geographic location,
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there isn't an outbreak in subsequent nearby geographic locations,
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then you have a problem.
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And that's what seems to have happened in a lot of places in the United States
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and in fact around the world.
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And Denny Rancour's data seems to show a sharp increase
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in all cause mortality as the countermeasures were rolled out
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and specifically the mRNA shot around the world.
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And as would be expected,
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serial exposure to this kind of a reagent
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is going to result in possible cascading effects or avalanche type effects
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in the immune system as the reactivity of the immune system builds.
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Now there's some people that are arguing that IgG4 is showing up
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and so that means that we're building a tolerance to this spike protein
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and that is possible.
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It's possible.
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It's one possible mechanism, one possible outcome,
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but they have no, they can't guarantee that because they don't understand
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the mechanism by which in some people that's occurring
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and in some people it's not.
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In some people they just keep getting repeated respiratory disease
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and repeated somehow become COVID positive again
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or not COVID positive but still sick.
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Long term lack of energy, all the other things that people have
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around this thing called POTS or whatever other description it's had.
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So we're really dealing with something very spectacular because
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even Peter McCullough, a guy who was surrounded from the very beginning
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by people whispering in his ear,
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assuring him with high level national security phone calls
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that this was a national security issue that we needed to be afraid
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of whether we were under attack or whether this was a release.
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We don't know where this is going to go.
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It could be a worst case scenario.
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So you got to be really careful what you say there, Mr. Peter.
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And so for him to be very impressed
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with Denny Rancor's ability to explain,
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yeah, but despite what you think,
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I've cleaned this data up, I've looked at the dates,
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we've only looked at the data that we can trust and we look at many,
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many countries and many, many places we see the same signal.
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Peter needed to hear it from Denny and he did hear it and it was really
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impactual because this was around the same time that Peter had just recently
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come out like I have with the idea that just the whole vaccine schedule in America
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needs some serious reconsideration.
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Then we ran into this character.
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We did a video about him.
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He tweeted some nonsense about how in the hands of,
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in the hands of a competent scientist, PCR is highly accurate, well, duh.
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And then he blocked me.
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And of course that's not surprising, right?
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Because he was involved in the testing and he's involved in perpetuating this idea
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that we have nothing to question about the faith.
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The novel virus is defined specifically by sequencing reactions,
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which are all driven by PCR.
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And that's his wheelhouse.
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And he wants you to believe, just like Kevin McKernan,
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that he has no conflicts of interest with regard to telling you
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that the fidelity of these, these diagnostics and the fidelity of these
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sequencing reactions is beyond, beyond question.
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You can't question the accuracy of these things.
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Even though there are articles where they talk about
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viruses raining down from the sky on the order of 800 million viruses per
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square meter per day.
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Some absurd number like this giant amount of RNA is floating around
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in the world.
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But you know, we can find all these little pieces and put them together
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and convince you that what we're finding is real.
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I think there's a lot of shenanigans going on and I think the behavior
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of these people reveals that it is indeed shenanigans.
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It's not people genuinely fighting for the truth, trying to organize
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around health, freedom and sovereignty over ourselves and our children.
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You know that Kevin McKernan is not fighting for that.
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He's fighting for something to do with personalized weed
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and genetically modified pot plants.
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Philip Buckholtz is making money as a sequencer and as a test maker
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and as an advisor to all the companies that would ever want to take advantage
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of any of this mythology in the future.
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He's asserted himself as a guy who does that for a licks.
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We're really good at that.
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Me and my lab are really good at that.
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100% on board with the idea of a novel virus for which we have to do something
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which we could keep tracking and we should keep sequencing
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and keep making better sequencing technologies and sequencing products for.
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We've looked at these four guys because there's some game being played here
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because it's just really short through the corner.
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George Webb's favorite biological advice comes from Dr. Paul Catrell
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who's not even a doctor even though George Webb says over and over and over
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and over again for three years that Paul Catrell is going to med school
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and was going to med school at the beginning of the pandemic when he wasn't.
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Every once in a while he says it wasn't med school.
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It was something you do before med school.
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So then he's not Dr. Paul Catrell but he is because he has a PhD
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from Walden University in finance where he did chaos theory and bond trading.
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So he's kind of like that guy that does pizza reviews from New York City
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but then this guy is more like the Jurassic Park character
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who did chaos theory so he's like a combination of the guy in Jurassic Park
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with that pizza delivery or the pizza review guy that also traded,
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day traded and made a lot of money like I don't know it's just such a joke to me
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and what becomes more of a joke is that somebody like Robert Malone
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wants us to believe that in his quest to save the world
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he came out on the bread wine steam podcast in the way that he did in June
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and then also he came out on Paul Catrell
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with Paul Catrell and some other radio network enlightenment radio network
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because he's just trying to get the word out there.
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You know because he's got all these connections in government that just ignore him
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so you know what does he got to do he's got to stream with these kinds of people
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even though he used to work with carrot funded bullshit
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carrot funded bullshit has already been on the web all over the place
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for six months before June 21
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Robert Malone comes out and pretends he doesn't even know
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or doesn't even mention that he knows carrot funded bullshit until June of 21
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now all of a sudden yeah okay I'm on Paul Catrell and I know carrot
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it's not good ladies and gentlemen because
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Malone also says that George Webb's a bad guy right but
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but tells you where to find him and Paul Catrell
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was streaming many many many times with Kevin McCarron
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and you know that we followed Charles Rixie and Kevin McCarron
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not too recently or not too long ago
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April 26th on this Vay John health conference which occurred on a Saturday
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and it was Christine Grace followed by Charles Rixie
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and Kevin McCarron
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and these were really quite
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let's say low level poorly organized talks all three of them
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Christine Grace may be very smart and she may have a lot of information
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about how lipid nanoparticles work she may have a lot of information
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about the kinds of things that they can do when they interact with DNA and RNA
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she may have a lot of information about the polarity
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different particles and how that figures into how they cross membranes and that kind of thing
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but the talk that she gave had slides
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that had too much gibberish and
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readable material on it with not a lot of obvious
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messaging and she she skipped a few slides
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every once in a while and she talked very nervous and very fast so
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wasn't pretty difficult to get much from her talk
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then Charles Rixie gave a talk about censorship
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and used a bunch of slides you couldn't read or see what they were but you were supposed to
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take your word for it that that was his
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sub stack or this is a multicolored spreadsheet
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with all the papers that he's read and then Kevin McCarron
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came on and did a I don't know what
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would you call that like if you were a master student giving a
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presentation about amyloid that that's the level it would be at
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it definitely wasn't at the level of somebody who studies it
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or at the level of somebody who's got an idea of the next project he wants to do
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or how he's going to do experiments to prove that this is happening
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he never once really made the argument about why
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this particular virus as opposed to any other virus with a fusion protein
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or any other transfection of any other fusion
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protein would be any less toxic than this one
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he never made an argument about why the
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the virus would be particularly dangerous and the
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transfection would be particularly dangerous or which one would be more dangerous
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when I'm clearly arguing that the transfection is much more dangerous
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than whatever is floating around as the virus even if it's an
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infectious clone and that's what I've been trying to argue from the beginning
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if you're unlucky enough to be sprayed with an infectious clone
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or made to inhale an infectious clone then things bad things will probably happen
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but if you transfect yourself with a
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foreign protein most assuredly you're playing the same game if not
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much much worse with many many many more tissue in
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your body than just the mucosal of your lungs
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and gut and so we're in a big trouble here
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because interestingly enough these stars
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have all crossed again and this illusion of consensus
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seems to have really really strong connections between
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all of these pieces the
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laying down of this worst case scenario
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which was done by people like Paul Catrell
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people like George Webb people like Kevin
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care people like Charles Ricksey people like all
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the people in drastic like me there were screaming very early on
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that this could be a lab leak and unable
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to get the message out that that doesn't mean it's danger as it just means that it's probably more likely
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a man-made thing than it ever is something coming out of a bat cave
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the worst case scenario a billion
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people going to die was something that needed to be seeded
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it had to be something that was whispered in every water cooler
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it was whispered at every coffee room
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it was talked about on every talk show
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behind the scenes and that's what this is about now
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to give you this continued illusion that everything's okay
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that it all worked out people on the TV say look they gave them the Nobel Prize
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you can even point to it for a judge
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Pfizer's guilty of nothing you know because I mean we just used the Nobel Prize
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winning technique I mean what could we have possibly done wrong
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so curiously enough today
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at six o'clock UK time which was around
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one o'clock our time someone sent me a link
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thanks Cara of reflections on the Nobel Prize
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from the mRNA originator
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the mRNA originator
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and who is he talking with Dr. Philip
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Macmillan where do we recognize Dr. Philip
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Macmillan and Vay John Health from well we recognize them of course
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from the Vay John Health Conference just a month ago
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August 26th
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where he hosted
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Kevin McCarron and Charles Ricksey
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the people that are connected to George Webb
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via Paul Cottrell
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people that Robert Malone has streamed
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with like Paul Cottrell and
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incidentally you're going to hear in this interview that
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Robert Malone came first time on Dr. Philip
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Macmillan's Vay John Health stream in June
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of 2021
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the same month that he made his debut
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on Brett Weinstein I just can't believe
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that this happened today and more importantly I can't believe
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the kinds of things that he says unfortunately it's already
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950 so it looks like I'm going to be up a little later
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than I wanted to be up on this Saturday but I am going to be up because it is
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a video that needs to be wrestled with
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it's extraordinary
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hello good evening good afternoon to everyone
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here thank you for joining me for this really really
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fascinating discussion with regards to Robert
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Malone no it's important for people to realize
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that actually I had the first video
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interview with him all the way in June 2021
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and at that time it was just purely by chance
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that I realized subsequently that he was actually
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the inventor the creator of the mRNA
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technology that in itself was a fascinating insight for me
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and since then I have watched him grow from strength
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to strength going across the world and
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effectively impacting the scientific perspective
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and across the world now today is actually
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my birthday and the biggest gift that I've had
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is the fact that we have here Robert Malone with me
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to discuss ideas about mRNA technology
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his history how he felt about the Nobel Prize
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and all these issues together should in truth
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be a remarkable discussion so the first thing that I'm going to do
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is bring Robert in as opposed to just have a quick introduction
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hi Robert how are you? Hi Phillip thanks a lot for having me back
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it's been a long time and a lot of water in the bridge
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absolutely grateful for you asking me to come back onto your broadcast
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well yes as I said it's a tremendous honor for me to actually have you
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because these days you're literally one of the biggest
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voices out there depending on which side of the fence you're on it can be a
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bit of a problem but in truth everybody does hear what you say
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whether they like it or not so with that in view
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can you just give us an introduction of yourself
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Robert let us
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did you just hear that please tell me you heard that without me
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having to reel it back and then I'm going to reel it back and we're all going to enjoy it together like an
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extra potato chip that we didn't know we had
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it does hear what you say whether they like it
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or the biggest voices out there depending on which side
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of the fence you're on it can be a bit of a problem but in truth everybody
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does hear what you say whether they like it or not
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everybody hears what you say
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whether they like it or not it doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on
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isn't that an interesting phenomenon boy I wish I could get my
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message out like that I wish I
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I don't know how he does it despite the censorship
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on either side of the aisle it doesn't matter what side of the issue
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you're on you're gonna hear Robert Malone boy that censorship
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is rough huh I mean that's that's an impressive statement
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so with that in view
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can you just give us an introduction of yourself
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Robert let us let us know a little bit more about you and your background
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here we go so the
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truth of the matter is that I actually live
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and enjoy living a simple life I live on a 54 horse farm in Northern Virginia
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that I homestead it together with my wife Dr. Joel
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Glassville Malone from just being atheists
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I was born in Palo Alto California
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at the Old Stanford Hospital and grew up in the Central Coast California
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moving frequently the son of a
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Mills University train or college train teacher
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and a Stanford trained electrical engineer who was very
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involved in the defense industry and high voltage
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systems I landed in
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high voltage systems is that like high voltage weapons
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I mean what does that mean I he's in the defense
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high voltage systems it's just so silly
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it's gonna get much worse you're gonna gonna believe the kinds of things that he says
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here and as you're listening I want you to try and follow
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along and see if you
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if you hear that bell what I'm indicating is
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I'm saying something that he probably said because
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he was made to say it because somebody
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brought it out somebody reported on it somebody
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said something about it it was never intended to have to be talked about
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but this is the updated list this is this
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October 7th updated who is
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Robert Malone speech and it is spectacular sorry
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yeah and in my youth
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and pretty much grew up in the Santa Barbara metropolitan area
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and then went to university at
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Santa Barbara City College, UC Davis
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Northwestern University, UC San Diego
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in the Salk Institute and
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Northwestern and Harvard Medical School for my final fellowship
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in global clinical research. I'm trained in pathology
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I've also in virology
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immunology molecular biology and was very active
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as a bench researcher really
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beginning about 83 84 kind of cut my teeth with
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HIV and mouse mammary tumor virus which is
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a retrovirus model of breast cancer in mice and then
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through my work in gene transfer first at the
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Salk Institute focusing on retroviral vectors then
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as a assistant professor at UC Davis I grew a
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medium sized non-viral gene
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therapy program was recruited to University of Maryland
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Baltimore where I had additional discoveries that led to
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a whole other field of gene delivery that nobody talks about these days
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having to use to do with pulse electrical fields
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and the founding of a company called Anovio that's still running in San Diego
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using that technology and then
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to the uniform services university of the health sciences
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where I helped create a breast cancer research program
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and issue banking laboratory and research laboratory at Western
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Pennsylvania and then joined
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a company that had just obtained
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the what's called the prime systems contract for
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bio-defense products for the Department of Defense called Dimeport vaccine company
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up in Frederick, Maryland almost across the street from
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Fort Dietrich which is where the United States Army
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medical research group is that used to be the bio warfare
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group but now is the bio-defense group and at that
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in that job in that position I had
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experience with virtually all the major
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well really end minor vaccines that are in development for
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bio-defense for the U.S. Army and defense complex
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which is where I was brought into connection with a lot of
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people that are called you know referred to as deep state
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many people who have CIA connections
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I'm not CIA I've never been CIA I've never been approached by the CIA to the best of
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my knowledge but you can't work in bio-defense and not work with CIA people
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I've also worked for Gates funded nonprofit
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one of the first called the Harris Global TV Vaccine Foundation
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it's defunct now but I know that world pretty well
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I've consulted for PATH which is one of the core gates
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companies and I've worked for a
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for-profit regulatory
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fair sweatshop in Rockville supporting
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FDA related work I've written many
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INDs presented
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to the FDA multiple times written many clinical protocols
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and managed phase one and two and some phase three
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protocols either as a principal investigator
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or as a support person like a clinical
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investigator or safety committee member
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I've was at the tip of the spear
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in bringing forward the vaccine candidate from NewLink
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originally from public health agency Canada and getting
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it sold to a company called Merck that's now the
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only licensed Ebola candidate or Ebola vaccine
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and have been very
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involved in advancing many different bio-defense products
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I've kind of been at the forefront of I think five different outbreaks
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did a lot of drug repurposing
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work with Zika after I determined
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that building a Zika vaccine was not going to be very practical
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and many influenza vaccines I have deep experience
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in influenza and influenza vaccine development
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I'm very familiar with the Novavax
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platform and worked for a long time for a company that uses
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Baccalaureate virus to express proteins in caterpillars
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and I've won over my lifetime well over $10 billion
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in grants and contracts for a variety of companies
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including companies that are
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you know very much beltway bandits
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basically inside DC defense contractors
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I've been granted a secret clearance but my passion
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remains in small farming and my 44 year marriage with
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my wife Dr. Joe Glaspel Malone where high school sweethearts
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and these days we produce Lucetano horses
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here in our farm in Virginia up against the Shenandoah Mountains
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so there's a kind of a broad brush stroke
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of who I am and what I do excellent listen I think
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as I listen to you there I remember
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holy cow that was crazy
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so let me just see
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let me just see if we can do this here
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so he did mouse tumor virus
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he called himself
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he's trained in pathology, virology, immunology, megalactic and molecular biology
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cut his teeth in mouse tumor viruses which was a mouse
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model for breast cancer then he did retroviral vectors
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when he speaks of vectors he's talking about using them to carry DNA
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they're talking about transforming things then
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so like transfection would be with our mRNA but then with DNA
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I missed a lot of stuff in there because there was also
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the part about windber and the breast cancer institute that had
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the really high speed internet pipeline and had access
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to all of the military cancer data
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and he put the husband
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of a postdoc that he had and as a director of
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that institute that's a married couple from Nigeria
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it's just all very strange
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kind of happening there and then that put him in real close proximity to where
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the plane went down in 2001 so that's
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a little strange he's worked for the Gates Foundation and he's worked for a company
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called PAF which was one of the primary guest companies in the Gates Foundation
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or funded by them he also worked for a regulatory
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affairs sweatshop which I don't really know what that is
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he worked with some phase one two and some three trials
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he was tip of the spear of the Ebola vaccine where he brokered the sale
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of the Ebola vaccine candidate from a company called Newlink in Canada
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to Merck. He was involved in a
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under a lot of biodefense products I apologize you can't read that
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drug repurposing for Zika influenza vaccine development
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baculovirus and caterpillars
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and he's got what is this
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he got 10 billion I thought it was like
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2 billion now he says it's 10 billion for
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beltway banded companies so he sounds like a really great guy
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but really right now he's into his 44 year
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marriage with his college or his high school sweetheart
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and raising Lucetano horses so
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holy crap that's interesting I would say
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there's quite a bit in that narrative that wouldn't be there
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hadn't been for the work of some of the people that you
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follow some of the people that we trust
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so thanks to all those people especially Mark Gulag
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well the first time that I had an interview with Gert
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and he went through his background and I thought oh my goodness
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no wonder it is a worry
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when you say something that is counter to the narrative
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and we're going to be coming into that in a moment
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but I think it's very important to start with
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that question of mRNA technology
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now in all of the background that you have listed
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I don't hear a lot about
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the work or that original work with
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mRNA why did you not continue
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after you had that experience of the breakthrough
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in thinking so you would have been at that cutting edge
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as you said in Salk Institute you had that moment where you
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envisioned it why did it not continue
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well not only envisioned it but I left the Salk
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because of the politics that were going on over the patents
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with a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder
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my mentor is now out
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and basically is being a very abusive person
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but I continued that work at a small startup
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across the street called Vaikal and it's at Vaikal
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that we had the additional discovery of naked DNA
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and RNA delivery into mouse muscle
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and the reduction of practice of all of this
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for the purpose of vaccination
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so we demonstrated there that you could inoculate
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mice with the messenger RNA that I had synthesized
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and caused them to mount an immune response against the encoded protein
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and so is that where the patents come from
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because yeah looking behind you
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there was a number of patent filed
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so the original patent disclosure was made at the Salk in 1987 or 88
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and then a patent was filed from the Salk
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and I never got a straight answer
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when I left the Salk it was still pending
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they had first determined that I was a sole inventor
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and then they put my mentor on it
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and then I left and went to Vaikal
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and I asked the Salk a few years later
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what happened to that patent because they're supposed to just
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they're supposed to notify the inventors of any actions they take under
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the Baidole Act in the United States
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and they had unilaterally decided to abandon the patent
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at the time when my mentor, Interverma,
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had been a consultant to the company Vaikal
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so the Salk patent would have interfered with the Vaikal patents
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and it was dropped
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Can I just ask the chat?
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Did they flash to the second camera yet?
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Is that why you're saying why did he put patents on the wall
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or did they flash to a second camera yet?
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Yes or no?
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Anybody in the chat did because there's a second camera coming up soon
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and then the Vaikal patents there was nine of them
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that came out of their original filings
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Watch your cover
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kind of 1990-1991
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He's going to trigger it himself
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They issued
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and then we had, Jill and I had a subsequent patent
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actually multiple patents
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you know that's
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as shown behind me
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Nice
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and they cover the formulations
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You see he's got a button he triggers it with
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he's got to look down to see which button he pushes
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on his little streamer thing
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so he can get that patent wall side shot
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That was brilliant
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Okay, so one was
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purchased by the army
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use of various
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candidate lipids
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we were the first ones to put cholesterol into the formulations
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we came up with solutions to the endotoxin problem
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et cetera et cetera
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but we were way ahead of our time
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and Vaikal when I left
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I had signed an employment agreement
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that among other things
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resulted in my getting compensated for the patents
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with one US dollar
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but I also
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signed away any rights to work in that field
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subsequently
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and at one point I got a
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cease and desist letter from the CEO of Vaikal
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BJ Simone who used to be at Merck
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that I should not do any research
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as an academic
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directly relating to what I had done
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when I was at Vaikal
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so
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Vaikal was very aggressive about the intellectual property
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they sold it to Merck
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Merck tried to make DNA vaccines work
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they thought RNA wasn't going to be
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feasible to manufacture
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they failed
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they spent over two billion
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they turned the IP back to
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to Vaikal
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and Vaikal burned about a billion
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or a billion and a half
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and they failed
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but what they did do through that whole time
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is very aggressively block anybody
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that would work on DNA
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or RNA vaccines
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until the patents expired
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and then after the patents expired
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the market cap for Vaikal
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basically crashed
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and the company
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was basically merged
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for less than cash value
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so it's
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I don't think the patents
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expired in 2001 though
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and I think Mark has shown
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that
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the patent or rather the stock
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of Vaikal crashed or ended
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pretty much in September or October
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of 2001 right?
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isn't that right?
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so that's weird
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yeah the line glows
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that's for sure
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not where you then start
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to speak about your work
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because before that you
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couldn't I really couldn't
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yeah well no at that point
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in all this work that we did
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mostly at UC Davis
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with the different positively charged
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fats and the pharmacology
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and biology and mechanism
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of action work
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we had done a lot of work
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on trying to develop gene therapy
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for cystic fibrosis
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involving pulmonary
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or intratricular inoculation
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of these formulations in mice
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and in monkeys in non-human
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primates
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and also the basics
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of delivery and equipment
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but he said that the patents
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expired and Vaikal
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prevented anybody from using the
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mRNA technology until the
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patents expired and then in the
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patents expired
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their stock crashed
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but I don't think the patents
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that he had would have expired in
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2001 correct me if I'm wrong
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someone in the chat
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that's weird
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putting jet injection and post-electural
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field we were starting with some
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in gold particle delivery
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which is another technology in this mix
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that is gone by the wayside
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and with the
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positively charged fat formulations
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we could never overcome the toxicity
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they're highly highly inflammatory
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and so we moved on to other
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delivery technologies that were more
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efficient including post-electrical
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fields that didn't have the
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toxicity
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and primarily focused on the DNA
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delivery not the RNA although we
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did get a very broad patent
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on mucosal vaccines
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that covered virtually any gene therapy
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vector
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but I couldn't get any of that funded
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I got recruited to
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Umariland
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and we did the electroporation work
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and I wrote what I think was
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probably one of my best
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personal proposals ever
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and it went into
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the NIH for review and it was
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rejected based on
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the fat. So he said this a
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couple times and it's just dawned
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on me
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listen
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any of that funded
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you know
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it covered virtually any
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gene therapy very broad patent
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just on the DNA delivery
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not the RNA already did get
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a very broad patent on mucosal
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vaccines that covered virtually
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any gene therapy vector
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just on the DNA delivery
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not the RNA although we did get a
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very broad patent on
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mucosal vaccines that covered
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virtually any gene therapy
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vector. I want you to think about
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this video that I've seen on
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the internet for a second
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I've seen this video on the internet
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about patent trolls
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and patent trolls are these people
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that have a patent
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that seems to apply to a broad
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you know like I don't know
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one of the kinds of patent trolls
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that I understand
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that's out there is somebody
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has a patent
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on website
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reviews,
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website product reviews
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on a website
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and so they go around
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suing medium to small sized
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web based
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businesses
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that have reviews on their website
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and sue them for
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patent infringement
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and this is called
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patent trolling
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and it only happens in certain
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jurisdictions in America
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but it's a real thing
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now what Robert Malone just said
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there
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is
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what he said there
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is
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that he had a broad patent
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on mucosal genetic vaccines
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can you imagine the possibility
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that if this patent
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exists right now
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that he could potentially
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patent troll
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any company
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that violates his patent
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and especially now that he's
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motivated by
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this PTSD
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that he got diagnosed with
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as a result of
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his interaction with this VICO company
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and his terribly abusive
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ender verma
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whose career also seems to have
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been kind of ruined by these patents
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one of which was purchased by
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the army. He casually
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mentions the endotoxin problem
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which is also a new
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game piece on the board along with
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the DNA
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and the endotoxin problem was
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especially just added
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to the game board
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by another than Josh
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Getsko, a guy who's been
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on my program before
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and who was on John Campbell's
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stream on YouTube a couple of days ago
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talking about the DNA
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contamination but also
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the endotoxin, the cell wall
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of the bacteria that's used
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to generate the DNA that
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generates the RNA
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VICO sold patents to Merck,
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sold them back to VICO,
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then we have this incongruency between
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when those patents expired and when
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VICO's stock crashed in
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2021 or
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2001.
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He mentions pulse electric
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fields twice. He also talks about
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gold particles. We've talked about all of
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those as ways to
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transfect and to transform
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animals and tissues and cell
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cultures and we've
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stated over and over again that you
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were depending on whether you use
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mRNA or DNA you would call it
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transfection or
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transfection respectively.
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DNA versus RNA decided
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to stick with DNA
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and pulse electric fields so that
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he mentions again
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remember this is key
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that we were granted a broad
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patent on mucosal genetic
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vaccines and that's very
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interesting because going
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forward there's going to be a lot of
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those because as I've
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stated at the beginning we are
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going to transition away from
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vascular injection because we are going
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to come to the realization in the coming
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years I guarantee it
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that rejecting
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the American
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way too early
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way too aggressive
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way too often
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way too many targets
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immunization schedule
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was the right idea
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and it could be that
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20 years from now there are a couple
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vaccines that are accepted as
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as
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a subcutaneous
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vaccines that can work
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there could be some that you take
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orally but we're going to be getting
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rid of most are all
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intramuscular vaccines I am
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sure of it because we are
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we are just not augmenting the
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immune system the way that we think we
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are and it's curious if he's
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positioning himself
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as a patent troll just letting
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everybody know
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every time I go out on one of these
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little podcasts I'm just going to drop
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that there you know that whole wall
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of patents back there some of them still
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exist one of them
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is for a very broad patent
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on mucosal
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genetic base back scenes
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that's pretty impressive
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but
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I couldn't get any of that funded
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I got recruited to
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U Maryland
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and we did the
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electroporation work and I wrote
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what I think was probably one of my
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best personal proposals ever
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and it went into
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the NIH for review and it was
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rejected based on
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the fact
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quote-unquote that Merck had already
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solved the delivery problem which
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of course they hadn't but
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this is the way things are and when
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you're a soft money
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young investigator
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you you don't have
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too many times it back
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that doesn't really sound like a
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jiving story to me and I'm
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going to tell you why
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because I don't think
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the NIH would
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solve the delivery problem which
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of course they hadn't
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but this is the way things are
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and when you're a soft money
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young investigator
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you don't have too many
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questions about why because I don't
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think the NIH would cite
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Merck as a reason
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why you would reject someone's
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proposal
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unless Merck published it in a
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nature article or unless Merck
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published it in a journal
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like you wouldn't just say no
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Merck's already solved that
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that's not how grants get
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rejected
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and a pharmaceutical company would
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be a very odd
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use as a rejection
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as a basis for rejection
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and in fact I would think
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it would be pretty easy to file
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an appeal in that scenario
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it smells
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fishy to me
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it's just another way of making
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him seem like he's like the victim
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and he's been
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fighting big pharma for a long time
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or something like that and I don't
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think that at all
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I think he's been trying to
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catch on to the freight train
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of money that is
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the speeding
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global pharmaceutical industry
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and occasionally when you try to grab onto a moving
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freight train you can get hurt
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or it doesn't work out the way you think
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or when you jump off
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you know it's not perfect you land somewhere
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you didn't mean to land but I mean come on
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let's be real here
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I guess cricket
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would have to be the metaphor for you
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for me it's baseball
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but you know if you don't hit it out of the park
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as a
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soft money investigator
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you're out
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that's true
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that's true I think that's true now too
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I mean young investigators
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especially
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young white
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male investigators
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really really really need to
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hit it out of the park
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or you can be assured that
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the last job you're going to have
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in academic biology is going to be your postdoc
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no positions for
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for people
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of unrepressed
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backgrounds
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it's just gotten out of control
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the content of your work
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the content of your character
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your work ethic
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it doesn't matter at all
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it's all secondary to your
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perceived station in the hierarchy
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it's pretty scary
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and I had a wife that
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but I doubt he experienced that
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when he was in academia
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thank you very much
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sorry if I was implying
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that any of those current
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issues
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were in existence at the time
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when he was hopping around from
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retroviral lab to retroviral lab
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where people were stealing
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retroviruses from france
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and bringing them back and
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claiming that they had cured them
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they were running around
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this
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writing grants about how
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retroviruses were going to be curing cancer in 10 years
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come on
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a child
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two children at that point in time
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I really I couldn't tolerate
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that
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the environment
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of modern academe for
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a soft money funded
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investigator
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and this is why I
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went to industry
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again and then to government
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contractor
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so let me ask you then
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so from a personal point of view
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you had to almost
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so he was forced to go work for
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government contractors
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he was forced to go work
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for DITRA and DOD
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because academia is just so
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harsh
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I mean he's not going to give
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any credit to anybody that does make
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it in academia you know like
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J about a chariot or something like that
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like those guys aren't great
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or I admire everybody who made
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tenure nothing like that
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he got
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the raw end of the deal he got
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PTSD he was treated terribly
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they stole his ideas he got the
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short end of the stick
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woke away from
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your baby
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I was
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I was
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I was
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one of the lead
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individuals speaking to the press
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about what I knew concerning the
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death of Jesse Gelsinger
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at the hands of Jim Wilson
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and you pen
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from overdosing going off
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protocol with
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adenovirus.
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and
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I'm afraid that
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I don't think he would have set a
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dang word about this
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had somebody not founded
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already known about it. And we not already talked about it lots of times. I don't think
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he would have said a word about this. Because I don't think his, I don't think his I say
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it again. I do not think that his career was ruined. He claimed in an earlier interview
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that he made the career of the New York Times reporter that covered this story and quoted
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him. And again, if he's suffering, if he's losing his career, then what happened to him?
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Did he go off to the farm? No. He went and got another job at a government funded health
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university setting up a breast cancer institute and handing it off to a Nigerian couple who's
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the woman of which was a postdoc of his. It doesn't sound like it really cramped his
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style at all. He was just moved up the ladder.
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I knew what basically what happened there was I was taking training in bioethics from
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a prominent bioethicist. We heard this story before him and his wife were taking a bioethics
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course and that he really admired this bioethicist. Mr. E. Maryland, as was my wife. And I went to
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him and said, this has happened and I know these things about this. They're not being discussed.
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They're not available in the press. And he told me he thought I had a moral obligation to go to
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the press and share what I knew. And so I did it knowing that it would probably destroy my
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academic career. And it did. But I was able to recover, survive. I got the appointment at the
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Uniform Services University Health Sciences and was able to kind of rebuild a whole new career.
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But yeah, I made a conscious choice there to speak out about things that I thought were unethical.
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And you could also say that he said just enough to appease and quiet the intense ethical debate
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around what happened with Jesse. You could say that he kind of, you know, basically again, what are
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we talking about here? We're talking about a carefully controlled narrative where both sides
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of the argument are actually on the same team. And I'm positing now, like I think other people
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have posited earlier, that maybe he's not the, you know, the savior, the guy in the white horse
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that we think he is, because he keeps kind of being this mediocre guy on a white horse an awful lot.
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In fact, very curiously around the first time that they ever tried to use transformation to fix a
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genetic disease. And look who's right there to, to again, just like he's doing right now, be that guy
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who's got to bring the bad news. Just enough bad news, just enough. So that everybody keeps believing
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the main story, which is that, you know, in this case, the denovirus is will work. It's just that
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they tweaked the doses. And they didn't tell everybody that they were tweaking the dosage.
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And so it seems as though he whistled blue on the fact that they changed the dosage without ever
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reviewing the protocol again. And he would have never done that. So it's not questioning the
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mythology. It's not questioning the intention. It's not it's questioning what? It's not questioning
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the biology. It's not questioning the possibility of augmenting the perfect pattern integrity that
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is a person. I hope you can see this, ladies and gentlemen, because we've got him now,
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not like we can do anything about it. But we can see him for who he is. The sunlight is shining.
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There's no shadows anymore. There's no doubt in my mind that we're being played. It's just a
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question of who he's playing for. But he's not playing on the side of America. He's not playing
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on the side of your family or mine. He's getting it while the getting's good, just like a lot of
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these other people are getting it while the getting's good. And maybe it's because somebody
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was going to get it no matter what. If Robert Malone didn't take this job, maybe they'd have
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given it to carrot-funded bullshit. He would have moved over here to America and done it.
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Maybe they'd have found somebody else. I don't know.
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What the bottom line is, is that the novel virus faith is intact. If you listen to Robert Malone,
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argue about who should have gotten the Nobel Prize. The faith of the novel virus is intact.
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If you listen to people talk about whether the lipid nanoparticle should have been more positive
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or negative, or we listen to people talking about misfolding proteins leading to amyloidosis
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or pre-odd disease. Without any mechanistic explanations, without any thorough science,
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just in vitro garbage to try and tell you more stories about the ghosts out there,
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more stories about whose masks should be taken off, and more stories about what villains we
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should be chasing. The only mystery to solve is, is how in the world are all these people
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connected like this? Why is he streaming with this person? Are you telling me that he can't get on
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Tucker Carlson? Or are we being governed? And if we're being governed, then it's not time for Robert
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Malone to be on Tucker Carlson anymore, because there's too many people that are awake.
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And we don't dare want to wake any of those TV watchers up anymore. We don't dare want to
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wake any of those TV watchers up anymore. Those people are the last trapped people.
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And so his job now is to talk to you and me and all the people that are already awake and know
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something's wrong and are never going to take another shot and make sure that they don't question
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the novel virus narrative. They don't question the gain of function narrative. They don't question
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anything going forward because their next one, they're going to bring out another one of these
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shots and say it's better. And so you got to accept a novel virus and you got to accept
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the contamination and you got to accept the quality control narrative so that the next one
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can be better. Maybe they'll use electricity and DNA and again, and Novio will get a contract
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and then you'll be taking the vaccine from trusted Robert Malone, the most interesting man in the
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world, to save you from Marburg virus. We're being played, ladies and gentlemen, by somebody who calls
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himself a molecular biologist, virologist, pathologist, immunologist, bioethicist,
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and horse trader had to live with the consequences. But what I learned from that was that
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if you maintain good friendships and good relations with colleagues, you can survive a blow like that.
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They'll help you. I use the metaphor of a rock and roller throwing himself onto a mosh pit.
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You know the image that I'm talking about and finding that people would catch me and hold me
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and allow me to carry on. And with that comes a huge sense of security that you can act
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in accordance with your morals even though it will often have major consequences
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and still survive. But the thing about it is that you come through that and you still own your soul.
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I think we're worth it. So here's an important piece of the puzzle that I'm trying to unveil,
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and it's to do the fact that you would not have been able to get through that period
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without the support of Jill. And secondly, I know that Jill was a primary factor in you speaking
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out about your work with mRNA because you could have kept silent. You could have just let it ride.
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Why did Jill insist that? Listen, you need to share this. You need to talk about this. Why was
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because there was a no bell rise at so remember that when I left the salt, I left with a diagnosis
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of PTSD because they were saying that people were being saved by the millions and they weren't
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given any credit to my husband. That's why Jill urged him to speak up. It certainly wasn't to save
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people. It certainly wasn't to tell everybody not to take it. They were advocating for every
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old person to get this shot. Apparently, he took it himself after he had COVID as if that makes any
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sense to an immunologist, a molecular biologist, virologist, not a very smart one of those.
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And that's not a trivial thing. I don't just say that. I was a hot mess. And that's something that
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doesn't go away throughout much of my professional life to find myself in highly competitive environments
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where the same kinds of behaviors are common. And I had also since those early discoveries
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really had a heck of a lot of gaslighting and ridicule from people who benefited by positioning
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themselves as more important than they were in the story and building companies off of that,
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and so I had learned a survival strategy of basically staying quiet and laying low
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being not readily visible. I certainly would speak at conferences but didn't make much of.
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I basically set aside that early trauma and the events associated with it and just went on with
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my life and built other skill sets and other research focus. And so when this started to heat
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up and frankly, particularly, I was triggered by a comedian in Canada who posts videos under the
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pseudonym What's Her Face that did a video that really went through and dissected what happened
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to my Wikipedia page after I was on the Dark Horse podcast and all the wicked editing that
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happened with that to write me out of history. And at the time, there was a clear marketing
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campaign to get Currico and Weisman the Nobel. This is two and a half years ago now. And my wife
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who has lived through all of this experience at first hand, Dr. Jill Glasspool Malone.
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Dr. Jill Glasspool Malone, it's a little shitty because certain doctorate is not in
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something like biology or molecular biology or virology or pathology or anything related to
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medicine except it's psychology. So, you know, doctor, it's just lame. I don't ever call myself
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Dr. Jonathan Cooley because I think it's kind of lame. If you're not a medical doctor, you should
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say Mr. Mrs. And you can say PhD if you want, you know, but I just don't see the point of saying
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Dr. Jill Malone, unless you're really, you know, you mean something with it. Like, and here,
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you can only mean to mislead people. And it's annoying. I find it really annoying. Just when
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you say Dr. Paul control, you know, you say Dr. Kevin McCann. Everybody introduces me as JJ.
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And then everybody says, yeah, but that's all diminutive and everything. What it is is humble.
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Because I understand that I'm just a reader. I understand that I have a lot of bench experience
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with a very limited aspect of molecular biology, a very limited aspect of neurobiology, a very
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limited aspect of animal behavior, a very limited aspect of small animal surgery, a very limited
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aspect of of animal breeding, and an absolute mountain of expertise on electrophysiology and
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brain slices. And with that, extremely weird, but varied background in biology that includes
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an enthusiasm of birds since I was a kid, collecting reptiles since I was a kid, a love of all kinds
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of animals since I was a child. I come at this with a firm and beautiful respect for nature
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and how complex it is. And a real firm understanding that the real appreciation that you need to have
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as a biologist is that there's so much that we're never going to be able to figure out because it is
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this complex interaction of complex interactions with complex interactions
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with pattern integrities.
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I just don't feel the sacred here. We're being sold down the river by people who've already
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given up on the sacred who already believe all of the keys are in our hands. They believe that
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it's just a matter of time before all these mysteries are going to be solved and all these
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nuts are going to be cracked. Robert Malone is exactly one of these people
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who probably thinks there's too many people on the planet and certainly too many mouth breathers
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and that we need to use the medical data that we can to make this go forward because otherwise
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it will never go forward. And I think he's positioning himself for whatever changes are to come,
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just like a lot of these people are, just like I am and just like you should be.
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Said no, Robert, this time I insist you have to stand up and fight what's being done to you.
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And I really, you know, I'd partitioned all of that in my mind and set it aside and
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really didn't look at it, didn't try not to think about it as a defense mechanism.
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And she hauled out, we had carried the old data to the extent that we were able to extract it from
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by Cal and the salt. We carried it with us in a great big box through all the moves and academic
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appointments and everything. And she hauled it out and went through it and pulled out key documents
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and assembled them and wrote an essay in which she described from her point of view what had
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transpired. You see, and that essay is something that Mark has captured images of and she had
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posted this essay on Facebook. So even though that essay doesn't really exist anymore on the
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internet, it's still there in some places. I think you can still have a, there's still a link and
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included the receipts, the documents and the patent disclosures, etc. And, and sent that off
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to UC San Diego, faculty and leadership, Salk Institute, people at Moderna, an old colleague
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that had invited us to the Carolinska years and years ago, that was-
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So she sent a letter to Moderna, the Salk Institute, the University of San
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San Diego, or wherever that was. She sent that letter to all those places. That's pretty bold.
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A letter about PTSD, a letter about his, his, his ideas getting stolen from him,
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idea about how millions of people's lives are being saved by his technology and nobody's giving
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him any credit for it. She sent that letter to Moderna and the Salk Institute.
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Volved in RNA delivery and became a collaborator and was often asked to the Carolinska years and
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years ago, that was involved in Canada, Salk Institute, people at Moderna, an old colleague
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that had invited us to the Carolinska years and years ago, that was involved in RNA delivery
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and became a collaborator and was on the Nobel selection committee a couple years ago.
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And, and basically said, no, this is what's happened. And, so that's, that kind of set that
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all in motion, the process of objecting to being written out of history and having my
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own contributions overlooked. And, of course, there was massive backlash from corporate media,
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notably a very ugly piece, poorly written in the Atlantic Monthly. It has a graphic with two
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syringes crossing over my face like skull and crossbones with my image in red. It's very striking.
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Somebody wrote the other day that it was basically an invitation for assassination as far as they
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were concerned. But I took a lot of arrows over that. And, you know, the Atlantic Monthly,
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the Washington Post, the New York Times, Business Insider, Forbes Magazine, all of these entities,
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as well as my haters in academia, particularly at the Scripps Institute of Research.
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There's one that I don't want to amplify. They all focused just on the published manuscripts.
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None of them will acknowledge the patents. So, because I was at, at a company, all of that stuff
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had to go into patents, not into papers. And so, it's weaponized that, well, I didn't really do
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what I did because I don't have the peer-reviewed publications. Seriously, I had a whole girl,
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poor Robert, written out of history. Only have a few. They happen to be among the most highly
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cited in this area. But that's all whitewashed over as if that... I want to understand, Robert.
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Now, this is an interesting question. As you were talking, I thought about it.
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Just imagine that you had stayed silent as you had typically done. You said nothing.
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And what happened still happened? How would you have felt? Would you have felt the same? Better?
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Worse? What do you think? I think it's good in... It's been particularly therapeutic starting with
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your broadcast, but so many others where I've been asked to tell the story of what transpired
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at the soul and at Vycal. And there's a school of thought that when you have a traumatic event,
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you need to talk about it many times before you can heal from that event.
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And I'm a much better person, even though it's been rough. I'm certainly healthier
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psychologically because I have gone through this process of sharing and expressing
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what I've experienced. And I've had feedback from so many people, particularly graduate students
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that have in postdocs that have had to live in this really rather twisted modern academic environment
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express to me, you know, I so much appreciate what you said. I had similar experiences.
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These are what happened to me. And I think the whole thing, not to sound too touchy-feely,
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has been very therapeutic. I know when he tells the story of his PTSD that he experienced with his
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patent dispute with Vycal and the Salk Institute, I think to myself, man, I just want to call
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and tell Robert Malone how happy I am that somebody's finally speaking out about the way
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that us postdocs suffer. Just for me, but for a whole cohort of people that have also experienced
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these types of rather average behavior from high profile academics. I'm going to share
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something here now. So this is the Nobel Prize. This is the second of October. So this is the
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PDF from the Nobel Institute. And they have here, Catalina, Kariko, and Drew Weisman.
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I want you because you knew this was coming. And I want to understand because I'm thinking
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about it from a scientific point of view. When you've done work and you've created ideas
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and then not be credited for it, it does hurt. Did this hurt? Even though you knew it was coming.
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Did it hurt? To reel back, when Steve Kirsch and I went on the Brett Weinstein Dark Horse podcast,
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three of us sat around for about 20 minutes before we started the broadcast and discussed
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the potential consequences of what we were about to do. Oh my gosh, the consequences could be
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drastic. Brett, you could lose the Google payouts that you get from YouTube and the ads that run
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on your extraordinary podcast. Robert Malone could lose all of his illustrious career as a
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vaccine broker and horse salesman. And Steve Kirsch, he's got his own company. So he'll be fine. Oh no,
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wait a minute. He was asked to step down from his company.
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So they took the risk anyway, and they titled the podcast three easy steps to end the pandemic.
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And then in the first 10 minutes of the podcast, Brett proceeded to tell everybody how they were
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an example of how strangers could hang out without masks, because infection and injection on the
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right, double injection on the left, and master of prophylactic ivermectin in the middle.
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We haven't forgotten he would like us to have forgotten that he never came out against anything.
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And you could call it speaking against the narrative of safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines.
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And we thought at the time, Steve was the one that was most bomb proof because he had his own company.
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It caused him to lose his company. His board of directors basically asked for his resignation.
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And Brett, certainly he got demonetized. That was a huge impact for him. My understanding is he was
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quite depressed for a while. And as you would well imagine, if that's your main source of income,
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getting demonetized from YouTube. And for me, the discussion was that the Nobel was in play
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at that time, and that this would jinx my ability to prevail in that or be included in it. And so
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it was a conscious decision that that was a risk, consciously taken, but that it was the right thing
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to speak at that time. And so when this dropped, I was in one sense surprised, in another sense,
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not surprised. I was surprised in that my colleague from the Carolinska that I mentioned, who's a
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full professor and works on RNA delivery and self-replicating RNAs, had assured me that the
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committee two years ago had reviewed the contributions of Currico and Weismann and had determined that
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they were not sufficiently meritorious to warrant the price. And the committee at the time apparently
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was surprised because they had not been aware that I had done that original work. And as apparently
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Moderna and Pfizer were not aware because they didn't cite the patents, and that's another story
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right now. They're busy in a patent battle. And now Pfizer paradoxically is citing those old patents
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in their attacks against Mert, I mean, against Moderna. So I had been told that the committee had
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reviewed this and found that it was not sufficiently meritorious. And my expectation was that the
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committee was just going to stay away from this topic, you know, certainly for many years until it
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had declared itself, let's say, in terms of what were the real issues with this product,
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these mRNA vaccines for COVID and the technology platform, et cetera. But clearly,
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they decided not to. They decided to take it up and they voted to grant this in a very odd way.
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It is, it is, and you've got it highlighted there. Basically, they did a carve out
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just for this to make this award. And the wording is crucial there, as is the press release that
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corresponds to this. The, it's the carve out is restricted to just mRNA vaccines against COVID-19.
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So this is a Nobel award for enabling the rapid development of mRNA vaccines against COVID-19,
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not for the development of the core technology platform or anything else. So as Jill and I were
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pondering this and, you know, mRNA just read it there through their groundbreaking findings,
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which have fundamentally changed our understanding of how mRNA interacts with our immune system.
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That's the key. So by chemically altering the mRNA, we have learned a little bit more about how
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mRNA interacts with our immune system or interacts with the intracellular machinery,
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which processes mRNA and foreign mRNA in particular. We've learned a little bit more
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enough to use it as an excuse that contributed to the unprecedented rate of vaccine development.
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So during one of the greatest threats to human health in modern times. So
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what's important to see here in my, from my perspective, is that Robert is now still having
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a debate about what role he played in the development of the mRNA technology
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and what things are going to contribute ultimately to the enablement of these development,
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the development of the COVID-19 vaccine. So what part of this is he not going to challenge?
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He's not going to challenge that this was one of the greatest threats to human health in modern
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times. If he was trying to free us like like Jessica Hockett and Nick Hudson and Thomas Binder
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and Peter McCullough and Bobby and a lot of other people, I think, are trying to free us.
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Excuse me. We've really got to get it into our heads that one of the things that we needed to
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spell is this mythology that it was one of the greatest threats to human health in modern times.
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Bobby's not there yet. Peter McCullough is not there yet, but we're trying.
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And you saw that Peter McCullough had the first time at a sparkle in his eye about this idea
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when he was talking to Daddy Rancour. So we're going to get there, but we've got to keep pushing
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and we can't let people put it on the screen and then not talk about it. Distract us with
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you know, the precise wording of enabled the development of or no, we are now
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putting into the Nobel Prize record that they saved us from one of the greatest threats in
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modern history. So the lie is not the biology of the mRNA vaccine. The lie is that.
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That's the lie. That's what makes it okay for it to have been rushed. That's what makes it okay
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for it to have contaminants and still get the award because otherwise it wouldn't get a reward,
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right? It wouldn't get an award if it hadn't saved anybody's lives. Then it would have been
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a rushed product that hurt a lot of people. I hope you can see how important it is
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that that's in there, that they're saying it, that it is the justification for awarding them
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the prize and talking about the biology of that is accepting the fact that the greatest threat
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to human health in modern times just passed us by.
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Or anything else. So as Jill and I were pondering this and you know, how do we process this and deal
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with it? Her point immediately was, well, actually this is kind of indicating because the committee
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has not, has explicitly not made the award for the invention of the technology, which was what was
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being advanced in the press in stat news in Boston and others, CNN originally, before I started
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objecting, was that Kariko and Weissman were the ones that had created this technology. When in
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fact, they came, they didn't even start doing any of this stuff until 15 years after what I did.
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So, so in a way, it was okay. Now, the assertions that are made by the committee
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are largely false and fairly transparently false. The assertion that Kariko and Weissman
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produced these four papers that involved the use of a a pseudo-uridine modified base
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incorporated into synthetic RNA, reducing inflammatory responses relative to non-modified RNA.
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They hold the patent on that from you, Penn. And that patent is fascinating because it says nothing
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about vaccines. And Kariko and Weissman originally did not intend to work on vaccines, but rather
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were focused on cancer when they did these discoveries. So, there it's absolutely true
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as the committee asserts that Kariko and Weissman made these discoveries and they made them after I
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had left. And I've congratulated them on that achievement of the Nobel Prize for their discovery.
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The next statement that's made there in that clause that justifies the product and in the
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press releases, they talk about effective vaccines. That's highly debatable. And they also assert
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in the press release, the vaccines have saved millions of lives and greatly reduced disease.
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That's also really in flux right now, that that thesis. But you notice they speak of effective,
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they don't say safe and effective, which has become the mantra. So, they dropped a safe part.
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And then in their press release, they talked about that what was really important here was that
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the pseudo-uridine invention was what was enabling for the rapid development of these products. And
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that's also a false statement. The discovery phase and development of the, let's say, composition
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of matter, that's technical patent talk for a vaccine is usually, and in this case also, a very
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small fraction of the overall, the discovery phase and development of the, let's say, composition
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of matter, that's technical patent talk for a vaccine is usually in, in this technical
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in development of the, let's say, composition of matter, that's technical patent talk for a vaccine
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is usually in, and in this case also, a very small fraction of the overall time necessary for
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development. The reason why these vaccines were developed so quickly had nothing to do with mRNA,
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but largely had to do with dropping the normal processes for assessing pharmacology, toxicology,
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biodeistribution. No, there is not wrong. It's really interesting to say that their,
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that their new idea of chemically altering uracils was an enabling technology that allowed
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these vaccines to develop so quickly. But in reality, the only thing that needed to be done was
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we needed to shorten and get rid of all this regulatory procedure and declare an emergency under the
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prep act, which is really what he should say here, right? Which is really what he should say here.
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He should say it explicitly declaring an emergency under the prep act is what allowed this to happen.
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He should say that explicitly. If he was trying to save us, will he say it?
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Pharmacokinetics in phase one, two, three clinical trials, pharmacosis for assessing
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pharmacology, toxicology, biodeistribution, pharmacokinetics, in phase one, two, three clinical trials.
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That was a pretty stupid, complicated way of saying that they declared an emergency under the prep act
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and then that meant they didn't have to do anything. You could keep it real simple, but instead,
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it's often stupid, complicated. And you don't say what needs to be said. That's how the narrative
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is being controlled. Ladies and gentlemen, that's why we have to listen to Robert Malone, because
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then we can hear the barriers. We can hear the boundaries. We can hear the boundaries of the
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debate on this side when we listen to Robert Malone. We can hear the boundaries of the debate on the
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other side when we watch PBS NewsHour. And once we can see where the boundaries of the debate are,
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we can start pushing there. Because otherwise, we're pushing on their practice dummies.
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And we're running in their little wheels. So we got to listen carefully. We got to find out
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where the edge of this narrative is and that we need to push hard on it. And so some of the
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places he's pushing are real. It didn't save millions of lives. It didn't enable the technology.
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The prep act enabled it. But then as he says it correctly, he stops short of giving you the truth.
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And that's exactly the magic. That's exactly the enchantment.
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He should have done said the prep act and emergency here. And he should have done
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said that we need to stop the government from being able to declare an emergency again. And then
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all this goes away. But he's not saying it. Including dose escalation. And not to mention the
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nonclinical and clinical toxicology. So it was it was the dropping of the regulatory norms that
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resulted in this being done so quickly. It wasn't really anything to do with pseudoridine.
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Well, it raises a good point because I was asking about this as I was doing my research.
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I realized that actually they even modified the pseudoridine even further by creating an N1
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methyl serodeuridine, which is what they've used in the vaccines, which is quite remarkable. I guess
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what they're saying is just the concept of create using this pseudoridine is the innovation. It
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doesn't matter how you then subsequently adjust it. Yeah, that that could be the logic. It's it's
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I'm not aware. And remember what I said, the salt, I think there was six or eight Nobel laureates
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there, including Francis Crick. I'm not aware in the history of the Nobel Prize for medicine
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or physiology, that those that originated the technology were not included in the final
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award. That's very unusual. And the the point that all of these, let's say irregularities or
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untruths that are used to justify this award, really, in my mind, speak of a
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the logic underneath this, not really being grounded in rigorous science and medicine.
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I think it has more to do with politics. That's a controversial statement on it. Really don't
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want to come across as sour grapes or or denying in any way, or casting shade or disparaging the
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achievement of this, or or to second guess the Nobel Committee, it made their decision.
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But I do note that Pfizer is a major donor to the Carolinska Institute. So whatever happened
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here, it happened. I was surprised you asked about my emotions. I was surprised. What what
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was more hurtful for me than the actual award was the rekindling of the box trolls and social
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media scientists attacks on me, asserting that this demonstrated that I didn't actually do what I did.
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That's that's just hurtful. And it's not it's not based in in fact,
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and it's, you know, it's, it's, you know, what's hurtful is when doctors are told they have to
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follow a protocol and then those doctors follow the protocol and then lie to the patients about
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following the protocol and the fact that it's going to help them. You know what sucks is when
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people are lied to about why they have to stay away from their grandmother while she's dying.
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You know, it sucks is when people are lied to about why they're being treated the way they're
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treated or how they're being treated or what they're being given. I don't know if he suffered
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that much during the pandemic. I don't know if he's really in a position to whine about just him all
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the time. When lots of other people lost their businesses, lost their jobs, lost their livelihoods,
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lost family members, lost children, lost parents, lost use of their hands.
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I just think it's a little disingenuous for him to be singing for an hour and 15 minutes about
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how much pain he suffered as the hurtful internet. The hurtful, unwritten history that is his
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when he just wants to be a humble horse farmer, famous for saving the world, I guess.
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Tearing off the the scab over the psychological pain, frankly, I don't want to sound like a
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whiner. Do psychological scars have scabs? Of what was deployed against me by corporate media
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two years ago, two and a half years ago, but that's the modern ecosystem in social media is this kind
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of really rather wicked behavior. The way that they brought out the truth was somewhat very similar
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to how they brought it out all the other times in the Scooby-Doo. Robert Malone got to be on Tucker
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Carlson. Robert Malone was on Rogan. Robert Malone was on every podcast.
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And while he was out there, he was telling the story of viruses, telling the story of his technology
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being stolen from him. Telling a broken story about it might be working, it might not be working,
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it should be working. We don't know if it's working. Controlling the narrative, being the star of the
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show, touring the world, touring the world. He's just a humble horse farmer. But in order to save
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the world, he's definitely willing to do a week long cruise off of the coast of Turkey with a bunch
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of dissidents. He's definitely willing to go to the EU three times a year. Sometimes he's doing nine
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hits a day, nine podcasts a day. Sometimes he puts out 21 single space pages of text every day.
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And he's got horses and emus. Ladies and gentlemen, something is incongruent here.
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Something is very, very incongruent here. And if we follow this to the end, I think we're
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going to figure out what's going on. I think you're going to see the Scooby Doo for what it is. I
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think we can expose these people because they're all connected. There's no possible way that George
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Webb, Paul Catrell, Robert Malone, Charles Ricksey, Kevin McCann, Dr. Philip McMillan,
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a carrot fund in Bosch, and Dr. Paul Catrell, if I didn't say that already, are not all connected.
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There's just no way. They're definitely all connected. They seem to be all part of the same
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sideshow, pushing the worst case scenario, pushing rumors of the worst case scenario of the shot,
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the worst case scenario of all the different ways the transfection went wrong.
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Instead of all the ways the transfection is wrong. See the difference? All these people are pushing
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the ways the transfection went wrong instead of the ways the transfection is wrong. And they're
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all related. They've all been on each other's shows. Robert Malone has been on this guy's show
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in the same month that he was on Bret Weinstein a month before he went on Joe Rogan and broke the internet.
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And Robert Malone is streamed with Kevin or with Paul Catrell while at the same time talking
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out of the other side of his mouth about how one of his arch nemesis is on the internet is
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none other than George Webb, who says the biggest hero in the medical community speaking out since
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2020 is Paul Catrell, fake doctor, bus rider MD,
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who supposedly his arch em is in arch one of his arch and nemesis in 2020 was none other than
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Kevin McCarid, who convinced me that I should fight with him against the silver salesman.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is breaking very fast. The illusion is breaking because all of these
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people have underestimated our ability to look back on the internet itself and see the videos
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that they did and see a pattern that's incongruent. But it's very incongruent when you're liars
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and you have to keep track of all the lies that you told it's really hard.
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Especially when there's videos of all the previous lies that you told and anyone can go look at
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them and if they spend enough time, if they waste enough time on the drama, then all kinds of stuff
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seems to fall out. Of people that just want to hate and there's nothing to be done about it.
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You just kind of have to suck it up. Snowflake and deal with it.
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That was the one that was more hurtful than the decision by the committee. I could have used the
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money. But Kariko and Weisman have already scooped up the Lasker award, the similar award from the
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Israeli government. When they got the Lasker award, they wore masks for the photo.
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Her award from the Spanish government. There was clearly a big push here and this is big science
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and that's just the way big science goes. If you don't, one of the things early in my career
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at the Salk, one of the competitors to ender verma was Tony Hunter, who also ran Nobel Laureate.
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I guess I'm now an also ran. For some of his key work, Brilliant Man. Mine like a trap.
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And he once said to me, if you think this is the last major discovery you're ever going to make,
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then you should get out of science right now. This is basically a bucket up
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and don't line. And this is just the way things are. Science is a hard ball game.
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And so, and the other thing about this, you're asking about the emotional state.
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My entire professional career, I've had to deal psychologically with the gaslighting and
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denialism and all of this wire line. And this is just the way things are. Science is going to make,
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then you should to me and for some of his key work, Brilliant Man. It's all one of the competitors
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to ender verma was Tony Hunter, who was also ran Nobel Laureate. I guess I'm now an also ran.
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And for some of his key work, Brilliant Man. Mine like a trap.
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And he once said to me, if you think this is the last major discovery you're ever going to make,
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then you should get out of science right now. This is basically a bucket up
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and don't line. And this is just the way things are. Science is a hard ball game.
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And so, and the other thing about this, you're asking about the emotional state.
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My entire professional career, I've had to deal psychologically with the gaslighting and
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denialism and all of this. And so, I kind of almost had a lot of that, that emotional
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baggage burned out of me.
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You know, I'm going to say something now, and I had responded to a few comments on social
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media as well. And I, as I wrote something, I reflected on it. And my feeling is that the
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technology has some limitations. But my honest instinct is that they did it with the wrong disease
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at too big a scale. Meaning that if they had done what the intention was, which was to focus on the
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high risk cohort and try to protect them with the technology, I think the risk or the potential
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exposure of the technology would have been significantly lower. But the exposure of the
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technology would have been significantly lower. Exactly. You would not have been able to see
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that the technology sucked because it would have just killed old and vulnerable people with
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comorbidities. That's what they should have done. If they were really just intending to get rid of
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the get rid of as much chaff as they could. And he just said it right there. The technology
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would not have been as exposed if they had just used it on the weak and vulnerable.
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But they used it on all kinds of healthy people. And now we've got a problem. Did you hear it?
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The technology for your scale, meaning that if they had done what the intention was, which was
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to focus on the high risk cohort and try to protect them with the technology, I think the
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risk or the potential exposure of the technology would have been significantly lower. And I said
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something here. I'll finish with this statement. I said that no matter what the political situation
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is, the people who have been hurt in one way or the other by the technology will never
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be silent. And that's in effect the thing that is unstoppable. And so the platform, even though
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it could have more modifications, more benefits, could be destroyed at this altar. Any thoughts on
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that? So I had warned about this, and not just the platform, but the entire vaccine enterprise
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has been compromised. And public faith in public health, the reputation of the CDC,
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the reputation of the FDA, I speak about this from time to time. I was speaking to a Portuguese
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audience about a year and a half or two years ago. And an older woman asked me a question and
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prefaced it with a preamble. And she made the point that throughout Europe, the FDA had always
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been believed to be the gold standard for integrity and rigor in regulation of drugs and
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biological products. And that she had come to now understand that the FDA was corrupt
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and could not be relied on. And when she said that, I had not allowed that thought to come
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into my mind up until that point, he didn't think the FDA was corrupt, even though he was
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involved in getting $10 billion worth of grant money from the United States government. And it
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involved in bringing lots of different technologies to market via the FDA. In fact, what did he say?
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Holy shit. He said he worked for a regulatory affairs sweatshop, which had to do with FDA
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regulations. He didn't know that the FDA was not to be trusted until then, even though he was
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in the business for 20 years of taking advantage of gaming that system.
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I mean, can you believe it? Can you believe that he's even got the gall to talk these words,
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to speak these words in this order? But of course he is. He's woozy on with right now. He's on with
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somebody who's on his team. And it was not and rigor in regulation of drugs and biological
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products. And that she had come to now understand that the FDA was corrupt and could not be relied
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on. And when she said that, I had not allowed that thought to come into my mind up until that
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point. And it literally hit me like a brick to the head. That's absurd. That's as absurd as his
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story that he didn't know what the w w w w w w e f or seppy and all these other things people
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were up to before he was told about it at the start of the pandemic. That's the story. That's
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the story that we are told that Robert Malone didn't know about the w f until someone else told
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him during the pandemic. He just woke up. He didn't even know that the FDA was corrupt until someone
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in Portugal told him. Um, in this rush, this Operation Warp Speed, and all of the profit rush
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Operation Warp Speed. Uh oh, I wonder who he's who he's thrown under the bus here. Again, uh,
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in Miss wouldn't that be convenient? Just in time. Coming to the rescue of the blue side.
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Information and disinformation that was propagated by the government and the withholding of
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information about adverse events, for instance, myocarditis in particular. Uh, what we had done
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as a United States health and human services and, uh,
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by defense infrastructure and and really biomedical pharmaceutical complex is we had destroyed or
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severely damaged our competitive position in the world as the preeminent, uh, developer and
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manufacturer of these types of products. And my prediction had been then, and I think we're seeing
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it accelerate that what would be the logical consequence would be that the United States would
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continue to lose its its dominant position in biopharmaceuticals to India and China, one of which
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is considered a hostile nation. And the other one is at best a frenemy, uh, certainly a strong
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competitor. And that's, that's what's happened. The United States now has to import not only final
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drug product, but, uh, drug precursors, if they're going to do that. And the reputation of the FDA
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is trashed globally and, uh, within the States. I, the damage that's been done here, uh, through,
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uh, the logic of emergency use authorization of, uh, products that are proven to be neither safe nor
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effective. Uh, in response to what was, uh, basically marketed or propagandized as a highly lethal
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respiratory virus with a 3.4% case fatality rate. When it based on Ferguson's modeling largely,
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uh, in Imperial college and his group, uh, and has proven to be paradoxically, Mr. Trump got this
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right. Early on, he, there's multiple video clips of him saying that the fatality rate here, I think
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he calls it mortality rate is well less than 1%. That turns out to be the case. Uh, and the whole
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logic that did, and so why won't he explain that they did something in New York City, which Jessica
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Hockett has identified as like a bomb going off and then using those numbers out of context
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and spreading that out throughout the United States in certain places where the protocols could
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be enacted, they were able to create a brief pulse of increase in all cause mortality that they then
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extrapolated from. It's not just the models. It's the models plus this little tiny start blip
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that was required so that everybody could say, but do you see it? It's right here. It's starting.
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It's about to go to a billion people dead. And then of course, as Jessica Hockett showed,
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it just went up. And three weeks later, it went down and it never went up again for the rest of the
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year. And so is he going to point that out? Is he going to explain that it wasn't just the
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exaggeration of the danger of the virus, but it was actually the inversion of the protocols,
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the imposition of the protocols, the complete reduction of the use of antibiotics to treat
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secondary pneumonia? And do you know that a lot of these EUA PCR tests, when those results came back,
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they said under the results that this PCR test cannot rule out effects from secondary
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pneumonia and secondary bacterial infection. Almost all of them say that. Look it up.
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Interpreting these results positive cannot rule out the effects of secondary bacterial infection.
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This was a highly lethal virus that would overwhelm our hospitals, cause us to need to have mass
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graves and pre-servants full of dead bodies and et cetera, et cetera. That's all turned out to be
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false propaganda. But that is what has been used to justify these breaches of what are really
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international norms of ethics and product development that have been developed over decades. And so
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we're now left. I discredited Fauci hotels and Collins since 2020. Collins and his
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immunomethology was in my stream for the first year and a half of my work. Those children have
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been dismissed a long time ago. So I'm sorry you missed it, but I won't go backwards to them. Those
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guys are stooges. Francis Collins is not a genius. Even Tony Fauci is not a genius. These are stooges.
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I could tell you my colleagues in the
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clinical development and earlier phase pharmaceutical development space
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are perplexed now. What's happened in the states with regulatory affairs in the FDA
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is that what had previously been a fairly rigorous and highly structured process.
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We all knew the rules. We knew what the process was. We could project how much it costs. We could
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project the timelines and grind away for a decade to get the product developed and safe and effective.
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And now it's kind of anything goes if they want it to go. And if they want to hold you to
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higher standards, they will and you can't predict what it's going to be. People are left with,
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well, who do I have to pay off? What do I have to do? The whole system is now compromised.
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Its integrity is compromised. And he just figured it out recently because some
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woman at a talk that he was giving in Portugal pointed it out to him. Before that, he didn't
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realize that the FDA was corrupt. All kinds of implications.
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I want to ask you a part of the question because another piece of the puzzle, even though we speak
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of mRNA, the delivery system with regards to lipid nanoparticles. And I heard you speaking about
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this recently. And I also had a recent conference and someone, Christy Grace, had made some very
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important comments about this. And I just brought up here one of the paper that shows major delivery
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systems for these mRNA. Those graphics are grossly naive. Oh, are they? Yes. So all I want to know
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is that when you see the different strategies for delivering the mRNA, have we ever at this scale
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used the LNP in this kind of way? Are there any risks with that? Separate apart from the mRNA?
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Yes, is the answer. And we know this because of data that was shared by Moderna about their phase
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one dose escalation trials with their influenza vaccine candidate was shared to their
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sock holders. It wasn't made public, which shows that at the 100 mic level with the flu expression
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vectors, RNA, they had an enormously high adverse event rate. Something like 30 or 40 percent of
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the patients enrolled at 100 mics had developed serious adverse events over a fairly short period
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of time. So only because a lot of this work is not being done rigorously and by basically treaty
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based on a meeting that was held chaired by Margaret Liu at the World Health Organization
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little over a year ago, the decision has been made within Western regulatory authorities
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that the candidate lipid formulation that you were just referring to that, by the way,
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if somebody in my opinion, if you're going to give the Nobel for the enabling technology.
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The people that should have got it was Peter Collas at University of British Columbia and his
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colleagues because that is the enabling technology. And that technology is licensed to
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a company that I think Justin Trudeau's family owns a lot of, but I could be wrong.
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Is that the lipids in formulation structure in the East of Pegg that is used by all
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Keraback Moderna and Biointech, Pfizer, that's who really made the breakthroughs
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after decades and decades of hard work. And I've known Peter Collas throughout my career as one of
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the top lipid formulation specialists in the world. And if I can just thanks for joining Janet
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horse a little further, there were three companies in the running originally. The third one was
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called Keraback and he was they were funded by an obscure investor that you've never heard of
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before called Elon Musk. And they ran a more conservative phase one trial with antibody
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titers as endpoints in humans in which they used a significantly lower dose than even Pfizer did.
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Member of Moderna's three times Pfizer. Are you hearing that Elon Musk's RNA company used
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a similar mRNA but without pseudo-uridine and they still got a robust response? Not as robust
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as the high dosage of Moderna or of the pseudo-uridine treated high dosage of Pfizer,
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but they got a good reaction. They got of antibody response and they didn't have to use pseudo-uridine.
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Is Keraback the company of Elon Musk being set up as the next best mRNA production line?
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Interesting. And Keraback was a fraction of the Pfizer dose but Keraback did not use pseudo-uridine
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and it got a robust body response but not as high as those that had used the higher doses.
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And they couldn't get funding to carry forward with the product development and it was dropped.
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But those data demonstrate that you don't have to have the pseudo-uridine. It works just fine
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without it. And Moderna didn't use to use the pseudo-uridine. It made a decision kind of the
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last minute to license the enzyme. But the cationic lipid formulations are intrinsically toxic.
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The mRNA and its immunosuppressive characteristics because this isn't really mRNA. This is a chemically
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synthesized molecule that has pseudo-uridine of whichever form throughout its backbone. That's
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not a normal characteristic of RNA. The placement of pseudo-uridine in normal RNA is very strategic
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and specific in where it's placed, not all the way through the molecule.
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And it is absolutely immunosuppressive. That was the intention but that's a double-edged sword,
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especially when you do them with immune responses. And then there's the spike protein.
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And if we compare, for instance, by the FDA and CDC's own admission,
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the Novavax product, which is caterpillar cell produced and caterpillar virus produced spike
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protein, the adenoviral-vectored products, one of which the J&J had been sold in the United States
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until recently. And the two RNA products that also express the spike, they all have the common
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feature of cardiotoxicity, the myocarditis and pericarditis, and yet their core platforms
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when used for other purposes do not show that characteristic. So major problems with myocarditis
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and pericarditis in coagulopathy were not problems with prior adenovctored vaccine candidates.
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They haven't been problems with prior Novavax technology candidates. So I think it's reasonable
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to conclude, you're a scientist, that this is basic Sesame Street stuff. We have these different
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products, they have one common characteristic, they cause this spike protein to be present in
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the body at very high levels in a very abrupt kinetic, very different from the natural infection.
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And systemically, rather than mucosally, so very different, again, from natural infection,
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and they all have this common feature of cardiotoxicity and coagulopathy and stroke and everything.
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And so my thesis is that we have a cluster of toxicities that are attributable to the formulation
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itself in the presence of a polynucleotide, because you can't make these particles, the
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peter colus particles in the absence of a polynucleotide. They have to have a polymer,
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an anionic polymer to self-assemble, you know, based on ionic interactions.
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So the lipid particle is toxic, the mRNA is immunosuppressive, that's a toxicity,
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and the spike protein is toxic. Those toxicities overlap, and the vector sum of those are particles
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in a process that has been very, is very complex from a pharmaceutical standpoint,
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and involves multiple active new chemical entities.
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So I want to ask you a question, Robert, and I wanted to think about from a scientific perspective
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as a scientist. I am baffled why the scientific community as a whole, you know, the public seems
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to have clued in a lot of the public that something isn't quite right. Why is there this almost
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ideological perspective? It's because the narrative has been curated. It's because the
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narrative has been curated by people like Robert Malone, being on streams with Dr. Philip McMillan,
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curating a narrative about an investigational vaccine and about a novel virus that we needed
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to do something for. That's the reason why we're here. That's the answer. There's about 30 or 40
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more minutes of this interview, but like Kim Traveler, I'm also getting tired. I think I'm
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going to cut it short right here. I hope you don't mind. Watch the rest of this and see if
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there's anything interesting for me to pull out a drop in the next couple of streams. Someone dropped
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a little thread in here about data sciences and Vivek and Kushner, and it's interesting,
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so they didn't check it out. Click on it. Thanks very much for joining me, guys. This has been
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Giga Home Biological, a high resistance low noise information brief brought to you by a biologist.
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Don't forget the Ninja Mouse Killer injection of any combination of substances with the
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intent of augmenting the immune system. It's dumb, and if that's too complicated for you,
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just say the Transfections for non-immunizations and stop them. Stop them and everybody.
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They're trying to eliminate the control you're planning means necessary. This has been Giga Home
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Biological. Don't forget about the broken science movement, the initiative, a great place to find
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interesting videos to share with your friends. Also a great place to talk about the big
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lards of science that are broken. It's been Giga Home Biological. Thank you very much.
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