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Can you thank you very much?
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That should be it.
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Dang it, dang it, dang it.
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How did I screw this time up again?
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Always the same crap.
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It's no problem.
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So, Kooti, yes.
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Well, it's okay for you.
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Yeah, the sound here is fine for me, as long as you can.
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Okay, good, fine.
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So, maybe I'm going to begin with the reynion,
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as it's still the reynion.
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Okay, I'm going to start with the reynion.
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I'm going to start with the reynion.
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I'm going to start with the reynion.
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Okay, I'll start with the reynion.
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Same, nine, ark, seven, six, fune, fier, tri, swy, eyns.
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Yeah, I'm turning for the reynion.
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So, I'm going to start with the reynion.
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I know, I'm excited to see the reynion.
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I'm going to start with the reynion.
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I'm going to start with the reynion.
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I'm going to start with the reynion.
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Hello, JJ.
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I'm glad you're with us.
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We had a little bit of a mix up with regards to timing,
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but that's no problem.
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We are very excited to talk to you.
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It would be great if maybe you could introduce yourself.
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Yeah, and then we can take it from there.
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Thanks very much for having me.
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My name is Jonathan Couey, and I am a recovering academic
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neurobiologist.
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I had about a, I don't know, a 15 or 20 year career
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as an academic biologist before the pandemic started.
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And after speaking out against measures and mandates,
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I was told to go home from my position
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at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
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as a research assistant professor.
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And I continued to speak out against the,
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I don't know what I would characterize it as,
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other than nonsense, the biological nonsense
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that was being characterized as a pandemic.
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I didn't figure it out right away.
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I don't want anybody to think that I came to where I am now
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after a few days of thinking about it.
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For a very long time in 2020, I was still convinced
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that there was a lab leak that was being covered up
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and that this was what was happening.
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And as my understanding of virology and the biology
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underlying the idea of a pandemic started to clarify a little bit,
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or I started to clarify it a little bit,
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I've come to realize that that's probably not what happened.
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And so I've spent my last three years
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basically trying to learn enough immunology and virology.
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And the biology that I didn't know previous to the pandemic
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so that I could understand what really happened.
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And so I found myself, how can I say it,
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crossing paths with a lot of people.
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A lot of people have come to my house in Pittsburgh
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to visit and talk to me about this stuff.
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And most of the people that have come to visit me
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have turned out to be medlers in the sense
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that they didn't really have my or my family's best interest in mind.
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And so over the last three years, I've come to understand
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that most of the people who have stepped up to speak out
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have in some way or another been well, been compromised.
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And I don't think it's to say that there are bad people.
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I think it's to say that something very serious
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occurred across the globe, across these Western countries
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that involves a government operation.
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And that government operation gives a priority to a narrative.
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And so people who are in control of this theater
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have perpetuated this narrative that a pandemic occurred
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and that it's actually not a very bad one.
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And it could be much worse in the future.
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And I think this is a mythology that they've been trying to install
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for a number of years so that our children or the so even worse
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that we will teach this mythology to our children
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and that they can be governed by it forever.
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And I think that's the crossroads that all of humanity is at right now.
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And it sounds a bit maybe overdramatic or overdramatic,
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but it's really not.
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It's really where we are right now.
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We need to reevaluate our basic understanding of who we are
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as a species and where we fit in the natural world.
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And I think we need to start to really introspectively think
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about what the idea of a pandemic really is
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and what the biology that they claim really is
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and then investigate whether or not this biology has
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any foundation in reality.
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Because I think we will find that a lot of what
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is misconstrued as public health is actually
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a large mythology that's been thrown on us.
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It sounds very scary and it sounds very daunting
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to try and penetrate this.
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But I think in reality, a lot of people
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have felt this inside for a long time.
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A lot of academic biologists have the tool set
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to understand this deception and just have chosen not
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to apply their critical thinking to this particular problem.
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And I think that's one of the magics of where I am.
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I used to be an academic biologist so I understand
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exactly how focused one has to be in order
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to succeed in that environment.
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And that extreme focus and specialization
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has created a bunch of really smart thinkers
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that are so hyper focused on one biological problem
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that they have essentially undermined themselves
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and as responsible adults.
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And they can't apply their unique skill set to reality.
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They just apply it to this one academic pursuit.
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And they take everything else for granted.
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And I think that mistake has been made by so many hundreds
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of thousands of biologists that have this inherent love
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of biology, this inherent, inherent respect
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for the sacredness of life.
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They have this inherent understanding
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of the irreducible complexity that they are knocking
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against all the time.
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And yet some reason or another because of the way
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the academic environment is set up,
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people like me who have this intense love of everything
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alive can be put in a laboratory.
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And that fascination and that love for everything sacred
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can be sort of compartmentalized to answer one question.
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And in that extreme focus, monastery style focus,
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you lose touch with the rest of the world.
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And this has resulted in, I think,
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the biology of public health being
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contorted into what it is today.
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And there are no biologists that are in love with biology
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that are curating this public health mythology.
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None of these people are there for that reason.
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They're all there for power, for greed,
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for intellectual property, for money.
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None of these individuals that have led us
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through the last four years are children who
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grew up as biologists and teachers who
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grew up as biologists and lovers of the natural world.
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These are not who we are being led by right now.
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We are being led by individuals who,
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by wittingly or unwittingly, have given up
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the understanding of what it means to be a human
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and what it means to understand where
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that line of sacredness starts.
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When a baby comes out of the womb, it's pretty much perfect.
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That idea has been wholly discarded
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by our academic biologists.
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And that's really a tragedy from which this all comes.
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And so it has a really long introduction
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that I would say I'm a lifelong biologist who
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wandered his way through life trying
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to figure out what to do with this extreme fascination
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and love for the living world.
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And I found myself in academic biology
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for a long time asking questions about the brain
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and being very happy with that job.
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I actually thought it was the most amazing job
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because I got to use high-powered electron,
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or not electron, but a high-powered microscopes,
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high-powered confocal microscopy.
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It's a lot of photography.
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It's a lot of high-precision measurements.
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It's a lot of very interesting things
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that include surgery and all this other stuff
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that you get to do.
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And so it's a really wonderful pursuit
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because you really are monastery-style,
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focused on a question.
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But now the question becomes, is that the right question?
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Are you pursuing an avenue which is expanding
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our understanding of who we are as a species?
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And I believed personally what I was doing
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in neuroscience was doing that.
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But I also was keenly aware that there were many, many,
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many avenues of investigation that we're not doing that.
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And not just in neuroscience, but across the board
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in the biological sciences in general.
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And that's really the unique perspective I think I bring
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to this is that I've had my feet on the floor
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of a laboratory where grant money is important
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for a very long time.
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I watched how this, what this does to intelligent people
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and how rewarding it feels for them
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to succeed in this environment,
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but also how isolating it is
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and how it takes away the power
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that they would have as a leader in their community,
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for example.
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Most of these people, I'm just babbling here.
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Most of these people who are professors
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at universities should probably also be community leaders
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where maybe they're a mayor or they're a board member
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or they influence decision in their community.
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But because this academic job is so all encompassing
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and so borders on obsession,
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they have no extra energy for their children
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or for their wife or their marriage.
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Nevermind for contributing to the governance
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of their community.
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So one of the amazing things that this academic,
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you know, the ivory tower has done to the way that our,
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we govern our communities is that some of the,
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who probably would be some of the more respectable leaders,
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some of the more articulate leaders
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have been taken out of that arena
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and put into this, you know,
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this rat race ladder climbing exercise
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which feels very good to them
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because they get to ask these,
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what they feel are interesting questions,
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but the way that the funding has been used to sculpt
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that pursuit for the last 40 years has resulted
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in a lot of wasted money, a lot of wasted pursuit
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and a lot of bad assumptions
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upon which public health is now based.
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And so we have many, many years of work
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to try to reverse this and the pandemic,
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I hope has given us some open windows
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with which to show people what's really going on
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and what's really happening.
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And so I'm hoping that we can maintain this momentum enough
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so that we can start to get to a lot of these academic biologists
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who as I said earlier have the tool set to crack this puzzle
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but haven't yet put any of their critical thinking faculties
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toward reality again.
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They're still super focused on their,
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their academic pursuits because that's what they've told
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is the way that they're supposed to contribute to the world.
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So that, I don't know how that,
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that's the worst introduction I've ever given,
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but there it is.
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That's all right.
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I think it's right on the point basically.
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So would you think that because,
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I mean, since there's a lot of grant money involved,
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so people, you say it's maybe also limiting their,
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you know, the approach they take
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to what they, the field that they maybe do research in
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because there's money only for this kind of research and so on.
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So that also makes a limits, you know, the fields where you,
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and maybe it's also an incentive,
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an incentive for maybe even coming out with like say,
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fraudulent or like manipulated statistics and so on
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because you, you think, oh, it has to be,
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there's more, more grants coming up if I say,
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oh, there's long COVID and I have,
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we have to do this and that or so.
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That's also a distortion.
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It's definitely spot on.
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I think that, that, that I can give you several examples
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where this is actually the primary mechanism
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by which these, these idea spaces are, are sculpted.
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And so one example might be the genetic causes of autism.
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If you fund $1 billion to investigate genetic correlations
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with autism and you, you, you use these grants
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to do a couple different things.
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Number one, you use these grants to tell people like me
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what the right question to ask is.
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Now, if I'm an academic biologist, I need to find money.
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And so I've got to look for grant calls
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and every grant call has a specific little limited window
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of investigation that your question should fall under.
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And in this respect of genetic causes of autism
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has caused an entire field of neuroscience
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to almost completely transform into the assumption
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that autism is caused exclusively by genes.
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And so there has been so much investigation
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into correlation in animal models of autism,
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which are another thing that get,
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that get, essentially they get codified or,
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or canonized by these grant calls
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because after five years of funding research
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into the genetic causes of autism,
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you've also funded five years of research
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into animal models of autism.
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And by, by no fault of their own
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have made these legitimate models,
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legitimate models because all these papers
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from the previous years have come out.
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And so now there's a whole field that has precedence.
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And these models have precedence so that you can say,
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well, this guy did this study and this guy
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and this lady did this study.
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And so I'm following on the footsteps of their work.
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And so this pattern of building up
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the scientific literature has resulted in whole fields
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which are essentially probably working
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on the wrong assumption set,
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but have perpetuated because there is this literature
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foundation that they can use to justify what they're doing
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and what they're doing still fits
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within these grant research calls
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and these broad, not broad,
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but very limited spectrums of investigation
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that are established by the grant calls.
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And so it is of utmost importance to understand
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that the vast majority of academic neuroscientists,
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academic biologists, anybody that's investigating
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a medical thing is investigating a question
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that has been, they have been pigeonholed
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into asking because of who they studied with,
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what they did in their PhD, why they did their postdoc,
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these things already start to limit the sliver of biology
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that people can investigate.
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And then once they start trying to solicit their own money,
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they almost are forced to work on things
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that they worked on in the past
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in order to justify their expertise.
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And then lo and behold, you've got a whole world
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full of academic biologists that specialize
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in a sliver of knowledge and a sliver of investigation.
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And by definition, are very careful
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about not stepping outside of that
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so that nobody can criticize them.
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And so this is...
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There's also a lot of angst involved.
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Absolutely there is.
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And in fact, that's a lot of how these fields work
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is that you become an expert in your sub-field,
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of this sub-field and then everybody cites you
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and they need to cite that thing,
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but they don't investigate it
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because they know that you're doing it.
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And so as long as this little, you know,
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monastery system of biology continues,
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then with certain funding streams
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and with certain priorities,
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they can perpetuate the idea that public health is X, Y, and Z,
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that pandemic potential can be measured with X, Y, and Z.
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And after 10 years, they have a literature foundation
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which can be pointed to as pandemic potential.
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And I think that's one of the tricks
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that has been pulled on us since about,
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I would say 2002, where they have slowly
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but surely led academic biologists,
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led bureaucrats and led the common populace
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into believing that RNA,
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if it has the right combination of bases,
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can perpetuate itself around the world
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with high fidelity for many years.
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And that's just biologically not true.
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RNA cannot make a protein
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and then copy itself and then jump from people to people
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without changing its sequence for hundreds of infections
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over millions of, the story that they've told us
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is not possible using RNA.
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It's just not, you can't leak RNA in a puddle
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and then have it get into one person's lungs
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and then some mechanism by which that RNA copies itself
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with high enough fidelity to be found
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in several places around the world with few changes.
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And then a few months later,
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many more places around the world with very few changes.
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This level of fidelity,
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there is no support for this in the biological literature.
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There is support for signals in this size scale.
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There is support for genetic signals of DNA and RNA
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in the background, but what they've done
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is essentially turned up the volume on a ham radio
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that's picking up noise from the atmosphere
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and then turned it up loud enough
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so that they could use an algorithm to say in that noise,
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there's some order.
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And we have been allowed,
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they have been allowed to get away with it
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because of the way that academic biology
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is in this monastery style, hyperspecialized.
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And then they've controlled that specialization.
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How many people work on coronaviruses?
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How many people work on RNA viruses?
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Not very many.
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And the ones that work on the ones that matter
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for purposes of pandemic
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and purposes of establishing pandemic potential,
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the list is extremely short.
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And the same people have-
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How many people?
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Sorry.
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I mean, it's less than 20.
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It's less than 15.
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Like worldwide, you think it's like 20 scientists
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to control this narrative?
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I mean, it's certainly less than 20 scientists
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that control the clones.
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that I think everybody essentially is missing
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and the part that I feel as though I want to be challenged on.
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I want some molecular biologist to come and say that I'm wrong.
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But essentially, what I feel like has ruined my life
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is not coming out against the lab leak
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or saying it's a lab leak.
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It's not coming out and saying the natural immunity
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to previous RNAs is more than adequate
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to protect us from this new one, if there is a new one.
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And that didn't ruin my life either.
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What ruined my life was when I started to say out loud
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that RNA can't pandemic,
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that RNA can't copy itself even once,
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it can't copy itself perfectly.
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DNA, because it's double-stranded,
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has this built-in ability to,
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it shows its errors because the double helix doesn't complete.
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At least that's how the cartoon is told to us.
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And there are other accessory enzymes
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that can come along and repair those errors.
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from a biology perspective, a very high fidelity process.
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But copying RNA is actually something
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that isn't done very often.
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And so when it is done in the context
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of the virology cartoon, it is done in two different contexts.
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One is the negative strand RNA virus
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where they have to have an enzyme along with them.
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can't be immediately converted into a protein
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by hijacking our machinery.
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Because it's a negative strand RNA, it doesn't work.
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that can copy that RNA into a positive strand RNA
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which can run through our ribosome.
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When you contrast the cartoon of a flu virus
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there are a measles virus which needs to have
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a built in protein enzyme already present
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in every variant that's gonna be infectious
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versus a coronavirus that actually doesn't
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because it's a positive strand, single stranded RNA
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and it actually, supposedly contains an RNA code
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for the RNA dependent RNA polymerase.
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but instead it makes one.
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and make new viruses.
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what you don't hear and what you don't see
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is that every single time the RNA dependent RNA polymerase
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makes a copy of that RNA by definition there are errors.
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It has to be, that is the foundational understanding
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of how this works.
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There's can't be proofreading.
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There is a accessory protein called exon exon
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that supposedly can increase the fidelity
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of coronavirus genome replication
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but it's not proofreading.
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It can't be proofreading because there's a very,
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it's not even really well understood
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but there's ever a double stranded RNA moment
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during the copying of the RNA in these things
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because we don't understand very well how this works.
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But the point would be that what they have described to us
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is a phenomenon where an RNA with a 30,000 base pair genome
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could be found in Iran, in Wuhan, in Washington state
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and in Italy and that a few months later
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it could be found in New York and in Florida
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and in Oklahoma and that relatively speaking
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that RNA signal would be almost identical
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across 30,000 bases, across all these different measurements
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and that has no precedence in the history of biology.
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There's no, not one paper that has ever demonstrated
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that this is even remotely possible
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and we have to understand what they've implied.
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They've implied millions of infections
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by the same RNA virus that originated from a point
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and that's just, it's the unfathomability,
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it's just so beyond absurd
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and then the spectacular commitment to this is what happened,
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it just reveals the thing for what it is.
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And so here's where we go full circle that I apologize,
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I almost lost track of my thoughts.
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If RNA can't do this, then what's really going on?
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Well, for the last 30 years,
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RNA viruses have been very difficult,
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if not impossible, to grow in culture.
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I'm not an expert on flu virus,
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but it does seem to be that flu viruses,
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flu virologists say that they can grow flu virus in cultures
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and in eggs and then they get a lot more flu virus.
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So I can't argue and I won't argue,
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I'm not sophisticated enough to argue with that,
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but what I will argue with is that what they grow there
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is a very heterogeneous, very mixed bag of RNA exosomes
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or RNA particles, it's not a high fidelity version
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of the flu and that's because of the way
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that these genes are copied
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and the way they sort themselves out.
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But it may be something that's useful
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for exposing your immune system,
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but my point is that when they study these viruses
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and it includes the flu,
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that a very standard procedure for these RNA signals
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is to convert them to DNA
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so that you can always go back to that sequence.
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And why is that important?
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Well, because it's not natural.
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If you sample whatever these RNA signals are
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from a bat or from a pangolin,
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you are basically using a very tiny PCR amplicon
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to be a flag for the existence
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of what you assume to be a 30,000 base pair genome.
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Once you get that very small amplicon flag,
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you say, oh yeah, there it is.
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And so then you use a fishing method to turn up the noise
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and then you look for a signal that fits
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a preconceived notion of what a coronavirus is.
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When you find it, you can't do anything about it.
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You can't grow that in a dish.
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You can't put it in a cell culture
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and grow enough of it to send all around the world
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because that's really not how they work.
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And instead, and they're trying to blame it on Ralph Barrick,
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but I think that's a little bit of a fudge
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in the sense of this molecular biology
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has been around for a very long time
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and applying it to these particular sequences
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is not that big a deal.
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We have known how to take different DNA pieces
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and stitch them together using endonucleases.
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We've known this for a very long time.
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Molecular biologists have been putting together
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different sequences of DNA for decades now.
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And so using this to make a 30,000 base pair genome
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of a coronavirus and then grow a lot of that DNA
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is a very normal baking procedure
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in pharmaceutical companies when they make antibodies.
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They have to do a very similar thing.
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Making biologic oftentimes involves making a DNA construct
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and then the protein comes from it.
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But the intermediate there is an RNA.
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And so the way that they've made this shot for everybody,
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the transfection shot is just simply a bacterial culture
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that makes the DNA and the DNA is,
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they lice the culture, they take the DNA out
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and then they put an RNA polymerase on it,
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they make the RNA, they purify the RNA as best they can
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and then they injected that into people
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after they combined it with a lipid nanoparticle.
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The point is is that the only way,
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the only way they've been able to study coronaviruses
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is if they start from a DNA construct
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that they make RNA clones from.
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And so all of these papers that have ever studied SARS-1,
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for example, you can look this up,
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a lot of these papers start with SARS-Urbani.
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SARS-Urbani is a sequence of SARS-1
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taken from a guy named Urbani in 2003 or 2002
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and they constructed a DNA clone of it.
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when the natural virus is put into a cell culture
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or natural viruses sampled in nature,
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you have an RNA that's being copied by an RNA polymerase.
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When they make clones, they have a DNA
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that's being translated into RNA by an RNA polymerase,
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not an RNA dependent RNA polymerase,
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but an RNA polymerase that's designed to work
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or has evolved to work from DNA to RNA.
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and more importantly, the template is higher fidelity.
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The enzyme doesn't jump off of DNA
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when it's making the RNA because that would make,
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that would be a big problem for us and making proteins.
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But the RNA dependent RNA polymerase is already well known
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to have a propensity to make many, many, many short genomic
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sequences of RNA as it copies the genome
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and almost never makes it from beginning to end
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of the original RNA and that can be seen in experiments
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from the 70s all the way up until now.
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No matter how they measurement,
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the full genome almost never gets copied
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and hundreds of thousands of copies
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of the sub-genomic RNAs are present after this happens.
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So again, the point is, is that whenever they've tried
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to sample these RNA signals from the wild,
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they peter out, they disappear, they collapse,
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there might have been a signal in the animal,
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there might have been a signal in the sick person,
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but they're never able to reconstruct
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the way that they work.
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and making an RNA construct and always starting from there
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because then when they inject that infectious RNA
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into the animal, they are injecting a concentration
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and purity of full genome RNAs that could never,
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could never occur in nature, could never exist in nature
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because again, RNA dependent RNA polymerase
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can't copy RNA like that.
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of self-replicating RNA that you can put in an animal,
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you can send around the world,
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you can put on cell culture and the cell culture
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can be of coronavirus virology can be recreated
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using these clones, but these clones, I'm arguing,
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are nowhere near related to whatever RNA signal
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they purport to be finding in nature.
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It just can't be possible, it's not.
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I hope that eventually I can shut up,
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is that this is the easy right in front of our hand,
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right in front of our face explanation
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for how this sequence could have been found
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in so many places at the same time.
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Because this is how coronavirus biology is done.
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If you wanted five labs in the world
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to work on your new coronavirus,
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the way that Ralph Barrick would do it
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is he would make a CDNA clone of it,
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he would produce enough infectious RNA
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to send around to all these labs
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and they'd all get a perfect sample.
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and some of these variants,
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that's what they've done with Omicron,
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that's what they do with a pangolin virus
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that they're now saying was 100% lethal
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in the ACE2, or human ACE2 mice that they put it in,
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they are confounding all of these different assumptions
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together and the result is a mythology
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that we're supposed to teach our kids,
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which is that RNA can pandemic
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and this was an easy one
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and the next one could be much worse.
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I don't even remember what the question was anymore,
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holy cow, Wolfgang, can I just say
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that you probably saved my life and the life of my family
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because you spoke out in 2020,
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you were the first guy I saw your work in 2009,
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is heroic, I also heard a presentation by Mark von Braunst,
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the guy from Belgium a few years later
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where he trashed you and said that,
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oh, he was a terrible guy for speaking out in 2009
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and I just can't thank you enough
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for the rest of the earth for having done what you did
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and I hope I'm doing a little bit
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of justice to your work
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because I'm really only inspired by you
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and Mike Eden and a couple other heroes, seriously.
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I'm so much fascinated because you know the details
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and you know the many people who know many details
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and you have an overview of all those specialists
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you have met and you know how they think
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and it's great for me.
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I'm just a practitioner.
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I'm just someone having being responsible for human lives
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as a public health guy who wanted to do the best he can
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and I'm a critical man
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and this is the only, you know this,
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when we enter this region of molecules,
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when we start to explain what we experience
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and what life is concentrated on molecules,
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I get lost, I get really lost
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and I go back and I say, what can we observe?
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What's happening?
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How long, what is the virus?
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Did they exist 100 years ago already?
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What function does viruses have in life
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and life is a very, very perfect thing?
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I'm a fan of Maturama, you know him, I think.
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Yes, and so I know about this communication process
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is in life theoretically.
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I'm not interested in the details of molecules.
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I cannot manage, it's too much
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but I think there is, life is so much more
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I think there is, life is so much more clever
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than only human beings can be.
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So we, you said something very, very important for me,
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this was a gift already.
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You said the in irreducible complexity of life,
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this is what you said.
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And I think this is a great word.
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And if you think this irreducibility of complexity,
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we just have to step back and have to,
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why do we, what do we need for having a good life?
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What do we need?
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Do we need all those details?
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Can we have a manage?
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What is with artificial intelligence?
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It's not artificial, it's stunned by man,
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this is artificial.
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And this, those weak part of biology,
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like we are human beings,
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it's a very small part of biology, we live.
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When I look out of the window, there is,
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there is the sea, there is the trees,
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there is so many living varieties,
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I will never catch, I will never understand.
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And we just go to work, we just learn something,
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we use this something, we have our attention in,
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this makes me very, take back my mind,
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I don't know, you, how do you say it?
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I'm cautious that I don't know so much,
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but I know there is something very well functioning.
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And when we think we can make it better,
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we do many mistakes for sure.
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Oh yes, and I think that's a perfect segue
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into what I was gonna say is that,
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I've been trying to come up with a few messages
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that non-biologists can understand,
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and one of the ones that I think is resonating
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with a lot of people right now is intramuscular injection
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of any combination of substances,
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with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb.
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And the reason why I love that phrase so much
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is because it gets back to the idea of what they are implying
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when they say that they can give, you know,
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30 injections to my kid before age six months.
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And they are implying that this incredibly complex,
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irreducibly complex system, that is the immune system,
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has sufficiently understood that they can put
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a combination of things in the muscle of your child
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to augment that system.
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And that is the level of audacity there,
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and arrogance is really extraordinary,
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but that's really where we are right now.
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And then the worst part is,
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is that it's now not even a combination of substances,
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but it's an actual genetic signal.
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And in a toxic envelope that we have even had the audacity
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to say is relatively equivalent
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to the previous combinations of terrible substances
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that we've been injecting,
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when in reality it's nowhere near equivalent.
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And in fact, it probably makes these previous concoctions
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look relatively benign,
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because they are just, you know, some heavy metals
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or some toxins that your body has challenged
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and your immune system is confused by.
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But this, where you start to make your biology behave
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differently and really potentially confuse your immune system,
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that I don't think the immune system is ever confused
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by an intramuscular injection of aluminum
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plus some proteins that all that crap
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is not supposed to be here.
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to express a protein,
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it becomes a very much more, in my humble opinion,
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diabolical signal that is much more challenging
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for the immune system to sort out without making a mistake.
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And this is...
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I was so much interested when I was working
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with a group of biologists or human genetic geneticists
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genetic geneticists,
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and they were advising people with inborn defects,
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genetic defects.
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So they are the children that cannot produce certain proteins
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they need for their life,
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and they tried to genetically modify those children
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so that they can build the protein they needed.
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And they found out that after two years
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or after some time, they...
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Before they started producing the protein, they needed.
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It was okay, but after some time,
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after some months or some years,
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this process was stopped again.
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It just didn't work anymore.
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So there must be something within the human being
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they tried to treat, which repaired.
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There must be some plan of this human being
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how it was born.
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It said, no, this doesn't fit to me.
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This is a strange thing, and erase it again.
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with billions of people,
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that after two or three years,
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the bodies will have, if they survive it,
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the bodies may repair it in many, many cases.
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I don't know it, but I think this is a chance.
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We can...
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This is some hope also.
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We can wait for it.
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Yeah, I am cautiously optimistic myself.
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I'm also cautiously optimistic that the people
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that did this who were aware,
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at least vaguely aware of the potential advantage
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they could gain if they put some placebo doses out there,
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so that the populace would be fooled into believing
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that the safety was higher than it was.
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And so I think there are a number of possible ways
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that this technology,
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and I do think that's one of the things
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we have to acknowledge is that there was a concerted effort
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to bamboozle much of the free world
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into believing that transfection has been proven
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to be useful, and that now we just have to figure out
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what protein and how exactly to do it.
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Maybe we need a better lip and nanoparticle,
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or maybe we need to inhale some of these things,
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but the basic methodology is on TV already checked out
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and is already a miracle.
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And this, I think, is so much of the goal here,
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is to get people to accept this.
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And then maybe the old adage
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that all of these people have been saying for 20 years
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that mice lie and monkeys deceive,
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and the only thing that tells you the truth are humans,
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maybe this is part of a move toward getting people to accept
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that the only way we're gonna make personalized medicine
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is to use you as a guinea pig.
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And so there's so many frightening aspects of this
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that, again, assume that we've conquered
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the irreducible complexity of biology,
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that we've figured it all out,
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that we're just a few years away from having the data set
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to put into the AI, and then the AI will spit out the answer.
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And this is all an illusion.
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It's all an illusion that they've told rich people
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and they've told bureaucrats that the cheaper
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that we can make DNA and the cheaper it is to sequence it
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is just the same as the easier it's gonna be
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that we're gonna understand it.
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And that's just not, they're not equivalent things.
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That we can make DNA cheaper.
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It doesn't mean we understand what we're making
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or how it contributes to the pattern integrity of life.
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And so that still is this thing
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that we're telling our college kids
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and we're telling our high school kids
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that we have this mastery that we don't have
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and that we have this understanding that we don't have
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and we're robbing them of this reverence for life.
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We're robbing them of this reverence for the living world
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and instead replacing it with this arrogance
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and with this, it's terrible.
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I really see it as a fundamental attack
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on who we are as humanity.
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I think there may be, there are those people
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who finance all this and you say,
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yes, I need what you do.
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I take it and I use it in seven billion people.
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Those people, why do they do that?
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They are part of biology too.
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Yeah, it's hard to say.
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I mean, I think number one, we have to admit
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that there gotta be a number of unwitting participants
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because I was an unwitting participant in 2020.
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I still, when you and Mike Eden were saying
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that, you know, whatever these are,
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the variants are probably baloney
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and there were lots of signals like this
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when we were working before.
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I still was fighting for this idea that no,
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but a laboratory virus could have heretofore unseen possibilities
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and laboratory virus could be much more infectious
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because it's got a fear and cleavage site.
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And so I was totally fooled.
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I totally bought in to the idea
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that they were covering something up
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and that because it was a laboratory virus
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that it could potentially have biology that wasn't natural
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and that idea sucked me in and sucked a lot of people in.
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I think that was intentional
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because that scared people into taking something
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that they otherwise would have never taken.
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And here we are three years later
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and I'm really late to the party.
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Like you and Mike had seen through it already in 2020.
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And I, it's not so difficult to see it.
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When you have a, I was very impressed by a map
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where I could see it 24 hours short
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where all the airplanes were yellow points
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driving around the world with 10 million passengers a day.
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Yes.
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With all their viruses on their body, in their body,
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everywhere traveling around 10 billion a day.
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Yes.
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And spreading everything of every variation of life,
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spreading that can live with human beings, spreading each day.
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And I was, I was thinking of that.
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And then I was thinking, Wuhan,
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there was such a high,
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a legal thing there in Guangdong, in Guangdong in the SARS-1.
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I was thinking, where has it disappeared?
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Why does it disappear so quickly?
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And with all those passengers traveling around the world
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and the virus is so contagious
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and how can this be?
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And we forgot SARS.
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SARS didn't exist between 2005 and 2020.
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It wasn't that wide.
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This cannot be.
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So it's such easy thoughts, you know?
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It's so easy.
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You don't have to know about molecular things.
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You just have to, you just have to think,
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well, if there are viruses and they go around the world,
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they change every year a little bit.
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We have the flu on Australia.
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When I was with a swine flu,
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my first call was to Australia, to a colleague in Australia.
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How is it whether you do you have more cases than usual?
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You should know.
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So I knew what was going on.
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It is, it's really easy
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because when you know how those,
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how those entities, those biological entities,
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where they live, how they live normally,
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you have recognized them and you can observe them.
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And then you see the effects and you can,
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you don't need molecules to understand.
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And when you're from your experience as a doctor,
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how often in his, when you were practicing,
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how often did you actually make a molecular
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or some kind of confirmation with a diagnostic
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that you had a particular virus?
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Or were you always just treating?
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No, there was only flu.
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Yeah, okay.
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But there was one, I started doing some nonsense
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when I started making the H-test, HIV test.
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Because we were frightened.
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I was also frightened.
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I thought there was something very serious to move on.
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And they gave me the HIV test in my ward
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and they said, you can use it.
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And I used it and I found some positive cases.
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But they were all healthy.
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And I never saw someone with an immune deficiency before
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in my region, my whole region where I used to practice.
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Never.
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No, I never got it.
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No, I didn't.
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And suddenly there should be something very new.
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So, but I was trapped then with this big propaganda HIV.
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And I'm very sorry.
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I did many wrong things because of that.
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And I understood, many years later,
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many years later I understood
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that they made this test
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and they produced those cases as they always do cases.
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Isn't it fascinating?
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Isn't that test an antibody test?
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So actually for AIDS, it's an antibody test,
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which is extraordinary because now they sold us antibodies
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as immunity.
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It's extraordinary.
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Yes.
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And it's very, you know what we have to do?
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We have to change the education of doctors.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we do.
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We need to teach them immunology.
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We need to teach them how the immune system works
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so that they come to this conclusion on their own.
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If you, if you really, I mean, I have given a number
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of what I consider to be very broad stroke immune lectures
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that people have said that this is just the best lecture
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I've ever heard because I've explained the immune system
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in a way that that that that explains its organization.
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And I think the one of the things that I stress a lot
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is that the immune system is organized
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from the inside out and it's designed to to maintain a barrier
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between the inside of your body and the outside world.
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And so the immune system is used to meeting challenges
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on that barrier.
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And so in history, if any of these previous immunizations
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have worked, they have worked because they've immunized
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at a barrier, oral vaccines are at a barrier, you know,
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variation with smallpox was at a barrier.
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So you were interacting with the immune system
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and from the direction in which it expects
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to be interacted with and with an intramuscular injection,
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you are taking a signal and putting it
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where the immune system least likely to find it.
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that we've moved through this immunization of evolution
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and gotten worse and worse.
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This is what I said in this too.
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But you know this, when it started with the swine flu also,
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they started thinking of giving the flu shot,
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not a flow shot, but giving the spray.
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Oh yeah.
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Because they were recognizing that this could be a way
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they could sell the same nonsense before.
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But what they didn't deal with is there's so much competition
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between those informations we get.
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Our immune system has to find out what is important,
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what is not important.
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So there has to be,
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because there's a limited capacity of immune reaction.
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And so you have to see our immune system has to select.
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There's a really interesting phenomenon that occurred.
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I think you'd find really fascinating as well,
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that in the early 2000s or late 90s,
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there were two basic schools of thought of immunology
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that were funded by the NIH in America.
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The one was pathogen-associated molecular patterns.
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And the other one was damage-associated molecular patterns.
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And now the difference between these two big theories
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is really cool.
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One, the pathogen-associated molecular patterns
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is a theory where the immune system tries to make
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a unique set of memories for every pathogen
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that it comes in contact with.
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The other one, damage-associated molecular patterns,
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was the idea that the immune system tries to generalize
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across challenges to find the molecular motifs
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that are most dangerous.
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Usually hydrophobic ones are charged motifs.
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the immune system is just making a profile
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of the new things that it finds.
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And in the other case,
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it's trying to generalize across molecular signals,
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and then essentially building a minimum amount of memory.
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And I think there's so much of our understanding
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of the immune system that really suggests
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that minimizing the reaction to anything is ideal.
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And overreaction is the heart of everything going wrong.
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And so interestingly enough,
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we were talking about this an hour ago,
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the funding for damage-associated molecular pattern
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investigation is gone.
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It disappeared in 2005.
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There is no funding of that idea anymore.
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It is exclusively pathogen-associated molecular patterns
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or specific memory, which of course means
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that you need specific vaccines for every specific challenge.
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And that's the extraordinary moment.
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You can have a patent on viruses.
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You can have a patent on the choice of your immune system.
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Yeah.
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It's extraordinary, man,
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because I think this has exposed a very big scam
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that we've all been under the enchantment of
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for a very long time.
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And so we can all just be very humble
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and say we didn't get it for a long time
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and just pull ourselves out.
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Our discussion that reminds me of something
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when we were discussing about the transportation law
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in Germany, there were always those people who said,
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the brain, this is our identity.
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This is what we are, the brain.
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They said, if the brain is dead,
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you can take everything because then the guy is dead.
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And I always think, no, there's something more complicated,
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more identity, much more identity.
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What I am is much more my immune system than my brain.
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So this discussion, it has so many consequences.
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Consequences in regulation, in human,
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in what we think, what is the dignity of man.
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So all this values our society is based on,
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is based on pictures.
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And this picture with the brain, in our thoughts,
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is the thing which makes us the most.
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And there is this other thing,
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which makes us much more humble
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because the immune system is something
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you find everywhere in nature.
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So it's a very good lesson we can learn now.
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How our values are shaped and how they shape our culture
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and our thinking, our living together,
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and our respecting and respecting nature,
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which is around us.
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So I think there is, it's a big chance now
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for developing new ideas.
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I totally agree.
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If the immune system functions well,
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maybe the brain is also part of an immune system
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like that enables you to understand
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infiltration via deception.
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Because if your thoughts function,
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then you understand,
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well, this is not really what I should believe.
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This is bad for me, for my whole body.
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I mean, what we just,
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but people came to see during the crisis.
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I have one question.
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Irreusable complexity of life is reduced
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by the very low possibilities
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that human brain has to understand all this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's a really great question.
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It's a really great way to put it.
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Can I ask you, like, I mean,
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I don't know if you're aware of the work of Dr. Sabina Steber.
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She's been in the committee several times
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and she's been investigating like everything
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that's basically also put into the vaccines
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and what they know,
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what they knew about like the toxic results
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or like the toxic effects that it might have, you know?
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And like, for instance, in Germany,
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we found out that our,
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basically the authority that oversees the, you know,
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the market release and so on of the vaccines,
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the head of that authority, you know,
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has actually published on a variety of issues
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that we now find to be really damaging for people, you know,
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from what we can see.
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And so she has, she has said, you know,
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it's kind of interesting because there's so many aspects put into these vaccines,
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like from, or like the so-called vaccines,
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like from all kinds of angles, like the nano lab lipids and, you know,
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whatever these, these DNA aspects and so on, you know?
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It's amazing.
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And it seems that it's only, I mean,
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you really have to put together such a cocktail of toxic aspects, you know,
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that it's amazing.
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This cannot be coincidence.
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And this must have been worked on by, you know,
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maybe just a few people, very specialized people,
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who could oversee what was, what's going to come from that.
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Maybe they do not have the full picture.
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But I mean, they could see from a variety of studies that are already out there,
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that there's, it's like a cocktail of horror, basically.
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I mean, would you, would you share that opinion?
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I would, I would share a little bit of expanded opinion in the sense that
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I think that this, this operation was so diabolical,
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that they have, they have planned already from the very beginning
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to tell us a biological narrative about a gain-of-function virus
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that actually includes specifically a gain-of-function protein
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with lots of little intricate things that have been inserted in it by really
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master chefs of, of virology.
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And that protein is what we serendipitously decided to
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transfect into everyone's body.
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And so this story was not just by accident.
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This story allows the confounding of the biological effects of the spike protein
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with the biological effects of transfection.
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And I think more than anything, we need to understand that biologically,
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this is a disingenuous connection that was put there on purpose,
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so that they would have a whole series of, of things that we could argue about,
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a very limited but lively spectrum of debate where,
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I'm sure it's the lipid nanoparticles.
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And if we just fix those, it would be better.
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I'm sure it's the spike protein, the spike protein was gain-of-function.
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And so the spike protein is causing all of this.
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And that, that was intentional.
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That confounding was intentional.
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And so this now discussion of were there, were there, uh, graphene particles,
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or is the lipid nanoparticle the problem, or is the DNA contamination the problem?
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I assure you that if the lipid nanoparticles were perfect
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and the spike protein was perfect and everything was made to the finest of standards,
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transfection would still be wholly inappropriate for healthy humans.
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That's where we are.
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And so we're being, they're shuffling all these things on the table
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to try and make us choose which was the, what's responsible when in reality,
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as you said, they've known from the very beginning that they couldn't get the results
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that they said they were going to get.
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Peter Cullis, the man who invented and, and whose research has developed
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these lipid nanoparticles was accepting award, an award all across Canada
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called the Gardineer Award.
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It's like a pre-noble prize award.
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And he was touring Canada, giving lectures about the lipid nanoparticles
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and about how exciting it was that there was soon going to be a Nobel Prize
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and maybe they would get it.
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And he admitted that he killed the career of five postdocs
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that he tried to get them to figure out how to target the lipid nanoparticles
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to a particular place in the body.
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And five postdocs never figured it out.
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And the fifth one insisted that she do something else otherwise she was going to quit.
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And he made a joke about that on stage in 2022,
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knowing that a billion people had been injected with a lipid nanoparticle
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that they were told would stay in the muscle and go disappear in a few weeks.
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That's extraordinary because they burnt, they burnt Byron Bridal's career
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and he revealed that information from a FOIA request from Japan.
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They burnt his career only a year and a half later
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to have the inventor of the frickin' technology go onstage and say it all out.
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And they didn't burn his career.
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They didn't throw him out of the university for admitting it.
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But he admitted it on stage.
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That's where we are.
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It's extraordinary. It is really extraordinary.
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It's all there for the learning and the knowing.
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And it's now just a question of getting people to raise their chin off of their desk
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and put their phone down and understand that we have really been deceived in a major way.
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And I really think it's important to understand that their goal is for us to teach this to our children.
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They don't care about us.
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We have to understand that this goes already for 50 years.
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Yes, absolutely it does.
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And only we can save our children because if we don't,
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our children will grow up having experienced this experience to this pandemic
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and they're done forever.
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It's really a disaster.
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They call the whole thing pandemic preparedness.
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And they prepared what they call a pandemic.
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So it's sadistic.
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The double meaning of pandemic preparedness is very interesting.
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Yeah.
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Can I ask you like in the beginning you said that you'd been after you spoke out
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and then had these problems with the university and so on.
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You said you were visited by people who you consider now to be like medallists.
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I mean, what kind of experience did you make?
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They tried to convince you to maybe give up your train of thought.
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Yes.
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Exactly.
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So it mainly happened in 2021.
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So I was a member of this loose organization called Drastic,
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which was given credit for like solving the lab leak puzzle on Twitter in 2020.
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And that group of people is still largely an anonymous group of medlers who refused,
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literally refused.
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So I'm a member from the very beginning.
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I was the guy who I actually put my name and reviewed several of these papers,
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which got published about the fear and cleavage site and thought I was doing a heroic act
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by reviewing these papers and getting the lab leak hypothesis out there into public.
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And so I was a bit taken hookline and sinker by these people.
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But Drastic at some point refused, absolutely refused to discuss the idea that this
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transfection to a spike protein could be a disaster.
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That could be actually the real reason why this whole mythology was spun up to begin
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with.
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When I started saying that, Drastic split into two groups and both of those groups threw
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me out.
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And so after that happened, interestingly enough, and this is where it gets really
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sketchy.
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And I hope you'll know a little bit of these details so that you'll see why it's so important.
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About two or three months later was when the first hints of the diffuse proposal leak started
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to appear.
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And at some moment, a member of Drastic was given a copy of the diffuse proposal.
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Now the diffuse proposal is supposedly a grant proposal that was written in 2017 and submitted
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by EcoHealth Alliance, the notorious gain of function funders in the United States.
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They submitted this grant to DARPA in 2019 apparently.
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And in this grant, curiously enough, is described an experiment that in the cartoon would be
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exactly how this pandemic would have started complete with bad coronaviruses that were
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molecularly altered to insert a fear and cleavage site at the S1, S2 junction.
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And when this text was first shown to me, the very first thing that went off in my head
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was, well, that's a convenient way of making it, making it real.
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Isn't that a very convenient way of making it real leak a grant proposal that never
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got funded?
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Well, I will tell you that when I ignored that grant proposal, eventually that was intolerable
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and somebody came to my house and physically convinced me to join Drastic again and to
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pursue the origin of the virus because they are hiding this lab leak.
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And so for a few more months, I was kind of in this hamster wheel again, trying to figure
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out if this diffuse proposal was real, but in reality, I have now, I'm firmly on the
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side of this being part of this worst case scenario narrative that they are trying to
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spin up.
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And in fact, the diffuse proposal is still being given wood for its fire.
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There are still people that are doing foyas on the diffuse proposal and still doing analysis
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of the experiments that were proposed in the diffuse proposal, all under the pretense that
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this text, his further evidence that gain of function was happening, that they did it
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and that they were arrogant about it, and that it will come again.
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And so this has always been about that.
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And so every person that has contacted me has been trying to keep me focused on the origin
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and keep me off of transfection.
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And so after a while, that pattern just broke me and I just stopped paying attention.
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01:06:24.220 --> 01:06:28.020
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But it happened first for more than a year and a half.
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Can you say something about the escape theory?
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I just don't think it's it's I don't think that lab leaks and see and people getting
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sick are not real.
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No, I mean, I mean, the escape theory when you when the virus escapes when you haven't
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ever.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So this is one of those things that I think is also part of the the illusion.
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So remember that one of the things that they convinced us of is that this virus wasn't
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here before 2019 and then it was here in the end of 2019.
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So what that means from the perspective of the of the phylogenetic tree is that the
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final phylogenetic tree started at a point and then it grew over the last five years from
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one point all over the world, one point all over the world.
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Well, no other, no other points where viruses grow, right?
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No other points from one.
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Yes.
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They can only grow from who?
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Right.
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And so the interesting thing about that is is that it assumes that as you've said before
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that there's no other signal in the background that could be mixed with this one, that there
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is no other signal that we could have been monitoring in 2019 or 2018 that we weren't
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monitoring because we weren't.
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We weren't doing any PCR surveillance.
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We weren't doing any sequence surveillance of any coronavirus.
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So as far as we know, there were 50 SARS viruses in circulation before the pandemic.
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And then they came up with a test and said, now this is evidence of spread.
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And so the important thing to for I think for us to now send as a message is that one
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of the ways they trapped us in this was convincing us that arguing about what this
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signal meant was so important.
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And so arguing about whether whether it means that there's novel spread or whether it means
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it's a background signal that that discussion never occurred.
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The discussion that occurred was, are we using the right primers?
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Are we overcycling these tests?
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So the questions that we were primed to ask actually made us accept the fact that the
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tests work had actually made us accept the fact that there was something to test for had
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actually made us accept the fact that there was an emergency when in reality what we should
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have been asking in the original is what would have happened if we use these tests six months
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ago?
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Would we find the same signal?
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And if that's the case, then what are we all worried about?
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But we never asked that question on purpose.
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They did it on purpose.
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They were very clever.
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You know that they make monitoring of our of the risks we live in while while just examining
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the wastewater.
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And that's honestly that would be the easiest thing to spike ever.
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You could spike the wastewater with DNA of any signal you wanted and then claim, look,
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there's Marburg in the sewer.
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I mean, it would be so easy to do it.
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A joke.
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This is why they do it.
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And they invest a lot of money and all the cities in Germany, they all started.
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They all make this.
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They all follow this nonsense.
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They give a lot of money for this.
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Yeah, wow.
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I don't even know what to say.
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We have to be aware of new risks, they say.
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And we have to have we have to monitor our sewer so so we can find out what's happening.
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Oh, I mean, this is really a very, very slippery slope to just declaring whatever they want
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to declare whenever they want to declare.
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Yes.
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And Robert Koch Institute is one of the first who says it and you have to do it.
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We want to be safe.
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Oh, my.
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Oh, it's terrible.
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Yes.
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What I think is what's very interesting is that, you know, when you say there were also
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certain stories or like trains of thought like presented with regards to the virus and
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so on, there must have been someone thinking about how can we distract these people, you
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know, like, how can we control also the scientific conversation, the discussion, you know,
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like, I mean, as you said, like maybe with the, okay, maybe that was a coincidence with
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the graphene idea.
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I don't know, you know, maybe was just someone looking for the wrong ingredients or something
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or had like a no, but I think it's actually more likely, I think it's actually more likely
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to be true because if there was graphene in one particular lot that somebody could find
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and show videos of, and it wasn't in any other lot so that they could debunk this all
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around the world, it's a perfect argument that gets nobody anywhere.
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And the longer you argue about it, the better.
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Yes.
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And the next time you do something into the job with where you can find something in the
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G5, with some, with your iPhone, you can try and the magnetic, the story with the magnetic
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...
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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All those stories where we were discussing, which we were discussing, they could have
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thought it in advance, they could have installed all these stories to distract us from what
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they do.
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Absolutely.
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I think that also the effects and the dangers that I think are real of 5G have been purposely
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confounded with the virus on purpose to try and, to try and again, get people to argue
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about stuff that they can never figure out, instead of arguing about the very simple fact
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that they are lying to us about a spreading risk, at the risk, additive pathogen.
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Yeah.
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And everything, those, everything which has, has a syllable smart in front, it's dangerous.
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Oh, well, they're going to get us with convenience, right?
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It's so convenient.
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You'll never have to, you'll never have to enter a password again, it'll just be a chip
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under your skin.
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That's the, that's the convenience of it.
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I am, I am absolutely thrilled that we have so much connection here and that we see it this
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way.
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I, what is it like to be a guy who saw this in 2009?
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You've been trapped in this little hell for, for 15 or 20 years where most of us are just
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recently waking up.
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I only really figured it out in 2022 as well as I have.
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I gave my kids their vaccinations before they went to their new school in 2022 and then watched
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the movie vaxxed and realized that, wow, no problem, I'm a little bit older than you.
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So I started a little bit before you.
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Yeah, I see.
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I mean, but it's, it must've been, I mean, I guess what I'm trying to get at is is that
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when you spoke out in 2009, there wasn't this global awareness of anything.
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It was very easy for them to kind of hide you in the noise.
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And although I think locally it was important what you did, I don't think the story really
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ever penetrated the, the media in America at all, whereas now this global thing has sort
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of, I think made it possible in a way for, you know, people like me, I don't think I
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would have been able to, to sustain speaking out in 2009 because there wouldn't have been
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enough momentum.
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There wouldn't have been enough feedback.
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I would have felt like I was shouting into the breeze, whereas now, I mean, look, I get
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to talk to you or I don't think in 2009 this would have even been possible.
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So that's also a thing to be hopeful about.
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So this is an advantage, you know.
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Yeah.
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I talk to so many people I would never, never been the chance to talk to is so I'm so happy
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to experience all this for myself.
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If I'm agristic, I learned so much in those last years.
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I never learned so much before.
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Yeah.
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I think it is really wonderful.
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I mean, that's definitely one of the, the more twisted things about this is, is that
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it has been a superior learning experience indeed.
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01:14:02.820 --> 01:14:07.700
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I haven't loved biology as much as I've loved it in the last three years because I feel
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like I'm actually, I'm actually doing it again.
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So that's really cool.
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01:14:12.700 --> 01:14:16.580
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I'm happy about that, but, but it's getting rough.
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01:14:16.580 --> 01:14:23.180
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I was working for Children's Health Defense for about, so I helped Bobby Kennedy with,
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01:14:23.180 --> 01:14:27.700
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with his, with his book about the lab leak and I tried to get a little bit of this biology
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in there.
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01:14:28.700 --> 01:14:31.860
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There's some biology about how RNA can't pandemic in that book.
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Then after the book, I got hired by Children's Health Defense, but I was only working there
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for six months before they laid me off again, presumably because of the things that I'm
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01:14:41.260 --> 01:14:42.260
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still saying.
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It wasn't really clear exactly why, but it's been pretty disappointing because I thought
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I had kind of a dream job and I'd figured it out and I'd got a better foundation under
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01:14:51.860 --> 01:14:57.180
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me and I was going to push forward and then out of nowhere the first week of January,
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01:14:57.180 --> 01:14:58.660
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they said they're going to part ways with me.
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01:14:59.660 --> 01:15:03.700
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So I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic that that means I'm over the target and then I'm teaching
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what I need to teach, but my family and, and our future is a little bit less, less solid
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01:15:10.500 --> 01:15:11.980
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ground than we were a month ago.
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01:15:11.980 --> 01:15:18.260
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So that's, that's unfortunate, but this is, this is high hope optimism to the 10th power
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01:15:18.260 --> 01:15:19.260
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meeting you.
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01:15:19.260 --> 01:15:23.620
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I mean, I don't, I know that you're a guy who doesn't see yourself that way, but from,
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01:15:23.620 --> 01:15:28.140
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from my little life and my little corner of the world, you really are a giant among giants
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01:15:28.140 --> 01:15:32.700
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and I can't thank you enough for, for talking to me.
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01:15:32.700 --> 01:15:40.700
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I guess that's, that's too much of a, you know, nothing, nothing, I speak Dutch.
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01:15:40.700 --> 01:15:43.220
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So I can understand that German.
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01:15:43.220 --> 01:15:49.460
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Okay, well, I mean, thanks so much for all the work and, you know, also your courage to
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01:15:49.460 --> 01:15:55.180
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really, you know, speak out and, and not be distracted, like from, from all these, you
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01:15:55.180 --> 01:16:00.580
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know, these, these, whatever they present as a narrative for like aspects of that.
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01:16:00.580 --> 01:16:01.940
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I have one last question.
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01:16:01.940 --> 01:16:10.100
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The disease X that is now kind of hovering in the, in the near side.
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01:16:10.100 --> 01:16:13.580
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That's also, I mean, in your point of view, I guess that's another story.
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01:16:13.580 --> 01:16:18.300
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Well, again, remember that I'm not suggesting to you that they can't make a lot of it.
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01:16:18.300 --> 01:16:23.660
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And so they can make a lot of, of an RNA and they could transfect hundreds or thousands
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of people in any given place using any number of, of known methodologies of aerosolizing
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01:16:28.740 --> 01:16:32.500
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the RNA or spraying it on people or droplets of it.
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01:16:32.500 --> 01:16:33.780
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I don't know how they would do it.
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01:16:33.780 --> 01:16:35.980
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They, they, they, they, can you eat it?
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01:16:35.980 --> 01:16:36.980
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You could eat it.
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01:16:36.980 --> 01:16:37.980
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Maybe.
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01:16:37.980 --> 01:16:38.980
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I don't know.
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01:16:38.980 --> 01:16:41.980
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But the point would be is that they can make this RNA, they can make this DNA in high
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quantities and then put it in places.
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01:16:44.140 --> 01:16:45.860
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Will it make people sick?
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01:16:45.860 --> 01:16:46.860
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Maybe.
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01:16:46.860 --> 01:16:48.860
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Will it make PCR test positive?
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01:16:48.860 --> 01:16:49.860
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Absolutely.
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01:16:49.860 --> 01:16:51.580
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Will it make sequencing high fidelity?
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01:16:51.580 --> 01:16:52.580
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Absolutely.
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01:16:52.580 --> 01:16:55.580
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They'd be able to find it in lots of places, absolutely.
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01:16:55.580 --> 01:17:02.660
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And so what I think we need to understand is that although an RNA molecule can't become
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disease X on its own with standard molecular biological techniques used in pharmaceutical
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01:17:09.260 --> 01:17:14.340
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companies all around the world, they could make enough of DNA and RNA to create the illusion
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01:17:14.340 --> 01:17:15.340
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of that.
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01:17:15.340 --> 01:17:16.340
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And that's the dangerous part.
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01:17:16.340 --> 01:17:21.220
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They can make a protein that's highly immunogenic and they could, they could put that protein
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01:17:21.220 --> 01:17:25.300
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into something and they could use a toxin to and then lie about it.
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01:17:25.300 --> 01:17:30.340
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Like there's lots of ways that they could make disease X show up that doesn't have anything
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01:17:30.340 --> 01:17:35.540
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to do with an RNA molecule perpetuating itself for years.
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01:17:35.540 --> 01:17:38.780
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That's, that's the biology we need to teach our kids because that's what disease X is.
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01:17:38.780 --> 01:17:41.780
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It's just an extension of this mythology.
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01:17:41.780 --> 01:17:44.140
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Yeah, that's right.
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01:17:44.140 --> 01:17:45.740
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So we got to watch out.
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01:17:45.740 --> 01:17:46.740
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Yeah.
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01:17:46.740 --> 01:17:49.220
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Thanks so much for, for being with us today.
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01:17:49.220 --> 01:17:54.980
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It's, yeah, it's been very inspirational also, I think on a lot of levels and I guess
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01:17:54.980 --> 01:17:58.740
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we just have to continue speaking out about what's going on.
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01:17:58.740 --> 01:17:59.740
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I agree.
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01:17:59.740 --> 01:18:02.260
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If you could share the, if you could share the link when you have it, I would, I would
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01:18:02.260 --> 01:18:03.260
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spread it out too.
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01:18:03.260 --> 01:18:04.260
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Yeah, we will.
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01:18:04.260 --> 01:18:05.260
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Thank you very much.
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01:18:05.260 --> 01:18:06.260
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We will.
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01:18:06.260 --> 01:18:08.540
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Thanks a lot and keep up the good work.
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01:18:08.540 --> 01:18:09.540
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Okay, I will.
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01:18:09.540 --> 01:18:10.540
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Thank you very much.
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01:18:10.540 --> 01:18:11.540
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Thank you.
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01:18:11.540 --> 01:18:12.540
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Thank you very much too.
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01:18:12.540 --> 01:18:13.540
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Bye bye.
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01:18:13.540 --> 01:18:14.540
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Thank you.
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01:18:14.540 --> 01:18:15.540
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Bye bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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01:18:17.540 --> 01:18:18.540
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Yeah.
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01:18:18.540 --> 01:18:20.300
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I don't even know what to say about that.
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01:18:20.300 --> 01:18:22.940
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I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to hang up before I start crying.
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01:18:22.940 --> 01:18:24.420
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Thank you very much for joining me.
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01:18:24.420 --> 01:18:25.420
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Thanks for being here.
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01:18:25.420 --> 01:18:26.420
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Live for that.
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01:18:26.420 --> 01:18:27.740
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I'm probably going to stream later.
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01:18:27.740 --> 01:18:28.740
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I got to decompress.
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01:18:28.740 --> 01:18:32.300
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I need some lunch and I need a coffee.
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01:18:32.300 --> 01:18:33.300
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That was just crazy.
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01:18:33.300 --> 01:18:37.300
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I just, I didn't, I had a bunch of stuff written down, but I never really said any
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01:18:37.300 --> 01:18:38.300
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of it.
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01:18:38.300 --> 01:18:41.380
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And I just kind of shot from the hip.
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01:18:41.380 --> 01:18:45.620
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So we'll see what it is on the replay and thank you very much for joining me.
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01:18:45.620 --> 01:18:47.180
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Have a good afternoon and I'll see you later.
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Thanks.
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