WEBVTT 00:04.233 --> 00:06.395 uh uh uh 00:30.773 --> 00:31.414 uh 01:07.643 --> 01:16.529 Concerned, but one thing I am confident of from everything I've read is that this RNA exists, you can capture it, you can sequence it, you can move it to other cells and recapitulate disease. 01:18.789 --> 01:21.472 A condition that we will not call autism. 01:21.632 --> 01:23.174 I don't like the word autism. 01:24.075 --> 01:25.116 He was vaccine damaged. 01:25.497 --> 01:26.918 He was neurologically damaged. 01:27.659 --> 01:30.362 A condition that we will not call autism. 01:30.502 --> 01:32.044 I don't like the word autism. 01:32.945 --> 01:33.986 He was vaccine damaged. 01:34.006 --> 01:39.653 I think, but you can tell if someone's lying, you know, you can sort of feel it in people. 01:41.463 --> 01:42.183 And I have lied. 01:42.203 --> 01:43.224 I'm sure I'll lie again. 01:43.244 --> 01:44.184 I don't want to lie. 01:44.664 --> 01:46.005 You know, I don't think I'm a liar. 01:46.125 --> 01:47.145 I try not to be a liar. 01:47.185 --> 01:48.026 I don't want to be a liar. 01:48.606 --> 01:51.367 I think it's like really important not to be a liar. 01:59.491 --> 02:05.113 It doesn't matter much at all what you believe about vaccines until we invent really important ones. 02:05.894 --> 02:25.281 know until we have a pandemic that's killing everyone you know and you know it's it's not it's you know measles plus and okay i can tolerate what you think about measles because you know not that many people die from it it's it's just a big hassle in the end but no when when we have this new pandemic that 02:25.709 --> 02:36.619 is, you know, got 75% mortality and it's not, it's, there'll be no pretense of being polite in the face of these beliefs. 02:36.679 --> 02:39.182 It'll be a moral emergency because it has to be. 03:03.243 --> 03:14.872 This, this is serial passage and he said that their proposal was to use serial passage to alter or to perform these gain-of-function research experiments. 03:16.133 --> 03:16.894 Serial passage. 03:17.294 --> 03:23.038 The stuff that I just recently came to the conclusion probably wouldn't work to do what they say would work. 03:23.139 --> 03:27.522 Now these guys are telling you a story that that's exactly how it worked. 03:28.697 --> 03:48.798 has nothing to do with a shitty PCR test, has nothing to do with crappy protocols or lying to doctors about the danger or the amount of unhealthiness in America, the lack of vitamin D or putting hydroxychloroquine on the back burner or not allowing people to use ivermectin or 03:49.588 --> 03:54.110 None of these things matter to Charles Rixey and Andrew Huff. 03:54.150 --> 04:04.275 The only thing that matters is that Serial Passage works, and they proposed it in a proposal, and that obviously means that not only does it work, but they did it. 04:07.796 --> 04:11.538 And I'm telling you that a coronavirus can't sustain a pandemic. 04:23.103 --> 04:30.887 in such, and it's written so eloquently by Dr. Daszak, that you can't really tell that it's gain-of-function. 04:30.907 --> 04:39.972 So he avoids the specific term gain-of-function, but it's actually there in sort of eloquent scientific language. 04:41.213 --> 04:48.256 And that proposal was funded in 2013, and a number of interesting things happened with that proposal. 04:50.629 --> 04:57.680 Basically, without that work, without the USAID predict program, you wouldn't have the relationships in place to start doing this gain-of-function work. 04:59.758 --> 05:13.261 When this proposal, the understanding the risk of bat coronavirus emergence is submitted to NIH, a domestic ban on gain of function goes into place, which is sort of pushed by the White House and the Obama administration. 05:13.981 --> 05:24.743 So all these things are happening simultaneously, but basically they find a way to outsource the research outside the control of the United States domestically to do the work. 05:25.824 --> 05:27.664 Yeah, but just to clarify, 05:28.410 --> 05:41.358 when they made their proposals to Antony Fauci and his government departments, they were understanding what this funding was for. 05:41.398 --> 05:44.099 I mean, Antony Fauci was himself a scientist. 05:44.499 --> 05:48.942 When he reads a proposal like that, he understands that this is gain-of-functioning 05:49.022 --> 06:05.466 Yes, he understands that what they are going to imply with it is that coronavirus is potentially dangerous to the entire world and therefore requires an emergency use authorized rollout of new technologies that otherwise would not have been able to bring to market. 06:06.147 --> 06:11.028 Just like that 2019 video where he says we might have to do it in a very disruptive way. 06:14.805 --> 06:23.514 I can't implore you enough to see that the narrative that they are leading Kim.com through is the exact narrative they always intended to tell. 06:25.393 --> 06:30.435 It's the exact narrative that Tony Fauci's emails were intended for you to buy. 06:31.015 --> 06:45.019 And that's why both sides of the equation, the people out there that thinks that this is real pandemic and that the vaccines work great and that everybody should take them, all of those people now believe it's a laboratory leak. 06:46.779 --> 06:50.000 And all the people on the dissonance side believe it's a laboratory leak. 06:50.140 --> 06:51.601 And now mission accomplished. 06:51.721 --> 06:54.762 Nobody understands that coronavirus could never have done this. 06:55.922 --> 07:20.383 there was never any danger really except for wherever a clone might have been released and it could have been released in Iran and Wuhan wherever absolutely could have been but it cannot be the point release of a clone at a minimum quantity that spontaneously through normal RNA viral swarming spread around the world for three years that is impossible 07:23.018 --> 07:49.163 And it doesn't matter what set of genes you put together, it doesn't matter how crafty you are, the virus will eventually return to a quasi-species defined by the minimum required replication-competent genome, plus maybe a few genes which impart a noticeable fitness advantage to those virions that have them. 07:50.469 --> 07:58.971 But even then, we are talking about a much more complex gene sorting and genetic entity than what is a RNA infectious clone. 07:58.991 --> 08:06.773 And the only thing we understand from a laboratory perspective, and a countermeasure perspective, and from an immunological perspective. 08:08.193 --> 08:10.414 And the reason why is because that's the way they like it. 08:18.820 --> 08:33.686 I just wonder if it's not important here just to point out, oh darn it, the progression that I feel like I have made that other people haven't made in this same space. 08:34.406 --> 08:37.187 Hopefully this will be in focus. 08:38.367 --> 08:47.771 You have a situation where you have people that are masquerading as anti-vax people, as health freedom people who have 08:48.925 --> 08:58.929 come to the conclusion that this fight should be fought on the front of freedom, on the front of free speech, and on the front of free choice. 09:01.269 --> 09:16.475 And by sticking to those very abstract ideas and fighting for a big top tent of health freedom, none of these people have made any progression in their understanding of what we're actually up against. 09:17.830 --> 09:24.515 And that is precisely the same lack of progression that occurs if you jump to the conclusion that there are no viruses at all. 09:26.076 --> 09:33.922 And just go on talking about the invisible rainbow and go on talking about how water at the molecular level is organized. 09:33.962 --> 09:35.583 Yeah, good, thanks. 09:37.165 --> 09:40.547 Look, these guys, this is the end of 2022. 09:43.271 --> 09:43.631 Okay. 09:44.091 --> 09:45.972 This is when I'm just figuring it out. 09:46.032 --> 09:53.935 This, I just said that I just recently figured out that I don't think serial passage could do any of the things they claim it could do. 09:54.395 --> 10:02.118 And I had just recently made that, that graphic where I said that that wasn't possible in animals or in cell culture. 10:02.138 --> 10:04.059 I was taking a big risk at that time. 10:04.139 --> 10:10.181 From my perspective, I thought I was going out on a limb and you know, somebody would correct me or that's kind of what I hoped. 10:12.199 --> 10:13.940 And this is in December of 2022. 10:14.800 --> 10:17.862 This is when I'm still working for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 10:18.082 --> 10:19.943 I haven't been hired at CHD yet. 10:24.185 --> 10:30.068 So, this is still this narrative spinning out of control. 10:30.149 --> 10:32.390 There's a time here where he's going to talk about 10:33.464 --> 10:40.692 evaluating a proposal for EcoHealth Alliance, and he's going to say, I'm really surprised that they wanted me to review that. 10:40.753 --> 10:48.021 He's changing a script to fit the terrible place that they are, the off-rails 10:49.153 --> 11:11.930 way out of bounds place that they are, where they're trying to recover a narrative that was supposed to be pretty easy to lay down, that a gain-of-function virus with all these different inserts had bypassed 100,000 years of evolution to become the most infectious coronavirus we've ever found, which is supposed to be a narrative that hides that none of that is possible. 11:14.881 --> 11:23.808 that intramuscular injection is never medicine, that they've just been, well, they've been lying to us. 11:25.669 --> 11:43.483 And this is all they had left back in 2022 was people like Andrew Huff, who has a Skyhorse publishing book, Charles Rixey, who has a Excel sheet, and this guy who apparently has a website because his name is .com. 11:46.807 --> 11:47.027 Right? 11:47.828 --> 11:48.529 Oh, absolutely. 11:48.549 --> 11:51.311 And so you look at it from my personal perspective. 11:51.331 --> 11:52.673 So this is my field. 11:53.073 --> 11:57.617 Gain of function has been a hot debate ever since ferrets started dying from H1N1. 11:59.379 --> 12:03.202 Ever since ferrets started dying from H1N1. 12:03.242 --> 12:07.106 I mean, the jokes are too thick for 2022 frog throat Cooey to even follow. 12:12.608 --> 12:17.729 The narrative is still too thick for this guy right here in the white hat to even follow yet. 12:18.430 --> 12:23.211 I'm still trying to compute how much of this is gonna really fall apart. 12:23.671 --> 12:35.334 I'm still considering the possibility in 2022, in December of 2022, if you look at my notebooks, I'm actually considering the possibility that Bailey and them are not so wrong after all. 12:36.415 --> 12:37.715 That's where I am right now. 12:39.861 --> 12:48.544 That's how honest this intellectual progression, this journey through hell that I've been on, where I thought I knew everything in 2020. 12:48.944 --> 12:55.067 I thought I was in the top 1% of people who understood the real big questions in biology. 12:59.308 --> 13:02.510 And I was lost like all my other academic colleagues. 13:02.550 --> 13:06.131 And I've come a long way in these five years because of the hard work I put in. 13:07.657 --> 13:16.081 And now I find myself really trying hard to catch myself in a mistake because I haven't made one in a very long time. 13:17.162 --> 13:22.964 And I know only one person on earth besides me that feels that way right now, and that's Mark Kulak. 13:24.105 --> 13:29.007 So if you've been following me or you've been following him, I hope you're enjoying the show. 13:29.047 --> 13:30.168 It's about to get a lot better. 13:33.642 --> 13:39.565 50% of the scientists in my field agree with it, and 50% of the scientists in the field disagree with it. 13:39.805 --> 13:47.689 So this is his field, and what he's specifically saying is that some virologists think we should do gain-of-function, and some people think we shouldn't. 13:48.249 --> 13:53.252 And the ones who think we shouldn't know that it's super dangerous and could potentially kill everybody. 13:53.692 --> 13:56.353 Again, just on narrative. 13:56.914 --> 13:59.575 Nothing about RNA-infectious clones being even better. 14:02.148 --> 14:03.028 Like, that's the point. 14:03.588 --> 14:12.270 If you released a small amount of the most dangerous coronavirus that Peter Daszak could have conceived, it would never go around the earth. 14:13.210 --> 14:29.953 The only way that it could go around the earth is insufficient quantities, and these guys either are too unsophisticated to understand that, or they are purposefully telling you a story that they've been telling you consistently for more than a year and a half without pivot, without flex. 14:31.829 --> 14:33.891 I used to call it a very brittle narrative. 14:34.552 --> 14:36.154 Because that's what I hear here. 14:36.334 --> 14:40.538 A very brittle narrative that involves the same Scooby-Doo nonsense. 14:40.578 --> 14:41.840 They were tapping my phone. 14:42.300 --> 14:45.364 They were sending drones over my property. 14:45.804 --> 14:48.167 They were trying to stop the selling of my book. 14:51.806 --> 15:00.048 And now, for some reason, they've decided to promote these guys on a platform like Kim.com and let it sit on Twitter. 15:00.809 --> 15:01.429 It's fine. 15:02.229 --> 15:03.409 But I can't be back on. 15:04.129 --> 15:05.190 I can't be discussed. 15:05.610 --> 15:10.531 Charles will never mention me again, even though supposedly we were allies for more than a year. 15:11.392 --> 15:19.394 Charles will never say that I'm a intelligent, smart guy anymore, even though we were supposedly friends for more than a year. 15:19.454 --> 15:19.894 He won't. 15:22.110 --> 15:33.124 Because I'm going against the narrative that he is, for whatever reason, sure needs to be sustained, defended, and accentuated over all other parts of the narrative. 15:33.584 --> 15:37.008 No PCR discussion, no sequencing discussion, no treatment discussion. 15:37.629 --> 16:06.603 no censorship discussion nothing in fact he can't talk about the censorship anymore because he the first three things i mentioned there are just i mean it's it's like i keep hitting the home run over and over because i say pcr sequencing protocols pcr sequencing protocols the pcr was fake the sequencing of the virus is fake and the protocols are bullshit probably murdered well i will say very soon after this date this is more 16:07.486 --> 16:09.067 than two and a half years ago. 16:10.688 --> 16:16.953 More than two and a half years ago that these people have known I've been around saying this stuff and angry about it. 16:17.433 --> 16:20.936 And their solution to that problem was to tell everybody he's just angry. 16:20.956 --> 16:22.277 He doesn't know what he's talking about. 16:22.998 --> 16:24.999 And everybody's had the same solution. 16:25.800 --> 16:28.242 It's a, it's a remarkable place we're in right now. 16:28.362 --> 16:33.966 He's seeing a huge rise in his stardom and that of Andrew Huff. 16:36.556 --> 16:41.117 I still have 2000 followers on Twitch after, come on. 16:43.358 --> 16:44.678 It's right in front of your face. 16:44.738 --> 16:45.799 All you got to do is see it. 16:49.099 --> 16:50.580 All you got to do is see it. 16:50.640 --> 16:51.860 Boy, that guy was right. 16:52.220 --> 16:53.001 Oh my goodness. 16:53.041 --> 16:53.721 Was he right? 16:54.301 --> 16:58.162 But you can tell if someone's lying, you know, you can sort of feel it in people. 17:00.012 --> 17:00.712 And I have lied. 17:00.732 --> 17:01.773 I'm sure I'll lie again. 17:01.793 --> 17:02.713 I don't want to lie. 17:02.733 --> 17:04.553 I don't think I'm a liar. 17:04.653 --> 17:05.694 I try not to be a liar. 17:05.734 --> 17:06.574 I don't want to be a liar. 17:07.154 --> 17:09.915 I think it's really important not to be a liar. 17:14.897 --> 17:19.778 I will have some extra homework for you, Housatonic, for being 15 minutes late. 17:19.838 --> 17:20.778 Thanks for being here. 17:20.878 --> 17:22.679 Thanks for joining on the show, everybody. 17:22.739 --> 17:25.100 Good to see everyone in the chat. 17:25.180 --> 17:25.540 It's June 3, 2025. 17:25.600 --> 17:26.900 This is Gigo and Biological. 17:35.348 --> 17:55.764 I don't care how you get there. 17:55.784 --> 17:58.486 I don't care what you do to get there. 18:00.367 --> 18:01.068 The goal is to live. 18:15.506 --> 18:17.567 Well, good morning everybody. 18:17.627 --> 18:18.388 Welcome to the show. 18:18.408 --> 18:24.053 This is GigaOM Biological High Resistance Low Noise Information Brief brought to you by a biologist. 18:25.134 --> 18:29.836 I'm sure you find yourself right in the middle of your daily grind, your hamster wheel. 18:29.856 --> 18:40.099 I am very blessed to have this show be a part of my daily grind as well as some on the hardwood time with my sons every day. 18:40.119 --> 18:47.061 I live quite an awesome little temporary existence right now. 18:47.121 --> 18:48.842 I understand how temporary it is. 18:49.582 --> 19:05.141 because so much of what I'm doing is dependent on social media and yet at the same time I feel in my heart it is imperative that I urge you to get your children off of social media now and to start more vigilantly 19:06.442 --> 19:22.386 not using social media because it is only through social media that myths like the autism spectrum disorder will be sustained to make sure that kids never question intramuscular injection, never question virology, never question public health. 19:22.847 --> 19:31.369 In fact, social media is the only way that the pandemic and the gain-of-function myth have been seeded so successfully in our minds. 19:32.369 --> 19:34.851 And if you don't understand the trap you're in, you won't get out. 19:35.372 --> 19:38.514 The cheese is free on social media because that is the trap. 19:39.795 --> 19:42.517 And it is an illusion we are in right now. 19:42.677 --> 19:46.120 Even the folding of proteins is an illusion. 19:46.700 --> 19:53.806 And the biology that they will ignore forever because we are the opposite of what they're doing is gigaohm biological 19:54.386 --> 19:55.967 Welcome to the show, ladies and gentlemen. 19:56.027 --> 20:02.630 I hope I can get you a little closer to walking in the right direction, climbing your way out of this cave. 20:03.331 --> 20:06.552 I do really believe that biology is the way out. 20:07.213 --> 20:08.814 I really do think that 20:09.914 --> 20:10.675 It is important. 20:11.356 --> 20:11.916 Who am I? 20:11.996 --> 20:12.997 My name is Jonathan Cooley. 20:13.037 --> 20:15.059 I'm Chief Biologist at Giga Owen Biological. 20:15.600 --> 20:21.245 You can find my previous work and career evidence on the National Library of PubMed. 20:22.166 --> 20:27.090 And you can find some of my work distorted pretty poorly on a substack called Woodhouse 76. 20:28.431 --> 20:31.173 I'm quoted six times in Robert F. Kennedy Jr.' 20:31.133 --> 20:35.516 's Wuhan cover-up book, and I used to be good friends with Jayanta Bhattacharya. 20:35.576 --> 20:45.043 I have a YouTube channel called JC on a Bike, which is a wonderful history of my thinking during the pandemic, especially when I was still employed by the University of Pittsburgh. 20:45.063 --> 20:51.888 So I've stopped streaming there, and instead I am on a channel called JC in the Woods. 20:52.762 --> 20:54.645 You can find me there right now live, I believe. 20:54.785 --> 21:04.161 Don't be afraid to check that out and maybe even use that as a way of sharing my work because some people are afraid to go to stream.gigaohm.bio. 21:04.201 --> 21:04.862 It looks funny. 21:05.796 --> 21:09.659 There's no place to sign up, and so they don't trust it as much as YouTube. 21:09.759 --> 21:16.603 So maybe a way to introduce people in America to me and other places is to use JC in the Woods or JC on a bike. 21:16.663 --> 21:18.585 It's just that I'm not going to be live there anymore. 21:20.346 --> 21:26.030 If you are here for the first time, you might be a skilled TV watcher or a skilled social media user. 21:27.050 --> 21:29.912 But I assure you, if you've been here for a while, you're here at the top of the wave. 21:29.952 --> 21:35.236 There isn't very many other places besides Gigaohm where you can stay focused on the biology. 21:35.296 --> 21:37.797 We're not taking the bait on social media. 21:38.478 --> 21:42.461 And we're trying to learn to love our neighbors, trying to figure out who they are, for goodness sakes. 21:43.261 --> 21:47.584 The way this works is we've got a few people, about 110 people, that give money to the stream. 21:47.644 --> 21:49.826 Some small, a few people give quite a bit. 21:50.723 --> 21:55.704 And that results in a family of five having a father that has a news program. 21:55.925 --> 22:00.766 That's basically the narrative, the story. 22:01.266 --> 22:03.187 It's the best I can do in an elevator pitch. 22:03.667 --> 22:07.088 I've got a website, gigombiological.com. 22:08.137 --> 22:15.601 I've got a soapbox at gigaohm.bio, and I've got this peer tube thing at stream.gigaohm.bio. 22:15.641 --> 22:17.021 And then I've got this link, Stuff. 22:17.141 --> 22:25.606 Basically, Stuff is the link you need, because that's where you can find the stuff that you can download, the papers we're reading, the population pyramid report. 22:26.346 --> 22:29.428 And you can go to Gigaohm Biological and find a way to support me too. 22:29.508 --> 22:31.609 But right now, I need people to share. 22:33.169 --> 22:34.230 It's the beginning of the month. 22:34.310 --> 22:37.591 Monthly rent is paid so I don't need to raise a lot of money here today. 22:38.352 --> 22:39.773 What I need to do is get the word out. 22:39.873 --> 22:42.714 So let's keep building the independent bright web. 22:42.794 --> 22:49.497 Let's keep spreading the word about this imaginary script that these people are following on social media. 22:49.517 --> 22:52.218 You got to remember it's not just one of these dudes. 22:52.278 --> 22:57.441 It's hundreds of them on social media and it's our use of social media that allows them to perform this 22:58.141 --> 23:02.084 And more importantly, allows us to feel like we're helping them stop the train. 23:02.805 --> 23:03.625 And you're really not. 23:03.945 --> 23:08.829 And it doesn't matter if you also chalk up your hands or, you know, even if you got big gloves on. 23:08.849 --> 23:09.529 It doesn't matter. 23:11.091 --> 23:12.291 This is a script. 23:12.772 --> 23:14.193 These people are scripted. 23:14.793 --> 23:22.099 There's no other explanation for Brett Weinstein's lies and Heather Weinstein's lies about me, lies of my omission. 23:22.879 --> 23:25.121 other than this is a scripted bullshit show. 23:25.721 --> 23:47.355 And it is no different than the scripted bullshit show that is the Tommy podcast, where many of these meddlers have shown up many times, including Robert Malone himself, along with several co-shows with Steven Hatfield, probably one of the most treacherous and untrustworthy people in this narrative. 23:48.235 --> 23:50.998 that few people talk about, but actually he's a nuclear bomb. 23:52.218 --> 23:57.263 He's a millstone around the neck of all of these people, just like Sasha Latupova is, essentially. 23:58.223 --> 24:05.990 Also just an admission of guilt, of traitorism, or at least of being puppeteered by people who are definitely traitors. 24:06.730 --> 24:08.791 And so that's how we got Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 24:08.951 --> 24:10.532 at HHS Secretary. 24:10.592 --> 24:14.833 It's a combination of a media stunt, Steve Bannon with two Ns. 24:14.933 --> 24:15.314 Darn it. 24:15.354 --> 24:16.294 What is that all about? 24:16.834 --> 24:18.615 How come nobody ever corrected that before? 24:18.655 --> 24:19.595 It's two Ns, right? 24:20.596 --> 24:21.476 I think it's two Ns. 24:21.536 --> 24:23.677 I'm going to reshuffle that out there. 24:24.137 --> 24:28.259 Brett Weinstein and his dad and his brother, Robert Malone and his wife, 24:29.319 --> 24:36.502 Kevin McKernan and his associates that include people like Rob, Jessica Rose and Pierre Corey, etc. 24:37.423 --> 24:38.903 You did correct me on that before. 24:38.943 --> 24:40.524 Maybe you did, but I missed it. 24:40.564 --> 24:41.144 I'm sorry. 24:41.344 --> 24:48.087 Left-hand monkey wrench would be the guy to correct me because he's in the chat like all the time and one of the first. 24:49.308 --> 24:49.968 Don't forget. 24:51.989 --> 24:53.029 Don't forget this. 24:53.129 --> 24:54.270 This is all a big show. 24:55.762 --> 25:08.866 That's what we're really, that's the message we're really trying to put out in the last few shows, is this is all just a really big, slightly reduced size show. 25:09.026 --> 25:09.947 That's better. 25:12.608 --> 25:21.651 And so yesterday, we took a look at this, you know, what can now only be recognized as a pathetic performance by this guy. 25:23.514 --> 25:38.408 and this guy, who is now at the head of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, a quite powerful position in the FDA, which we have come to the conclusion seems to be the target of a sabotage operation. 25:38.468 --> 25:46.676 More or less, they seem to be either eliminating the FDA, purposely running the FDA into the ground, or undermining its previous 25:48.012 --> 25:50.193 reasonably well understood mandate. 25:50.693 --> 25:54.655 Now, I said this yesterday, but I want to repeat it again at the beginning of this stream. 25:56.256 --> 26:12.124 It cannot be underestimated how important it is to hear and see and document for yourself that from the very beginning of the pandemic, people on all sides of the narrative were discussing the question of safe, safety, and effectivity. 26:12.564 --> 26:13.405 Safe and effective. 26:13.625 --> 26:15.105 Is something safe and effective? 26:15.145 --> 26:15.706 What does that mean? 26:17.403 --> 26:32.962 And that very discussion should not be dismissed as just people on the same script, because that script specifically applies to concepts and their definition, which pertain specifically to the mandate of the FDA. 26:34.443 --> 26:39.567 And so that script cannot be just dismissed as a script with convenient words. 26:40.128 --> 26:53.038 It's with words which have exact meaning for, coincidentally, what these guys are now talking about with reference to, is America really better off after 50 years of the FDA or not? 26:54.019 --> 26:55.600 That's a question worth considering. 26:55.801 --> 26:57.622 Isn't it, my Indian friend? 26:58.203 --> 27:00.565 Yes, my Indian friend, it is worth considering. 27:00.905 --> 27:02.146 It's a very deep question. 27:05.069 --> 27:08.263 So I am a little bit alarmed that I have to bring this message. 27:08.323 --> 27:08.865 It feels... 27:09.793 --> 27:34.505 Quite frankly, from my 50 years of brutal multicultural training that started in college and pretty much went through until I was out of academia, it feels almost racist to point out how many Indian people are currently in American government, seemingly rising to fame and prestige and apparently also very podcast notoriety. 27:35.565 --> 27:38.286 And I can't dismiss it anymore. 27:38.326 --> 27:39.367 I'm sorry, but I can't. 27:39.427 --> 27:46.470 Because this guy, as an anecdote, I guess I could kind of tolerate, except I just don't believe him. 27:47.010 --> 27:48.491 I don't believe his resume. 27:48.811 --> 27:50.112 I don't believe his history. 27:50.532 --> 27:55.634 And I don't believe this shtick that he puts on now any more than I believe this guy's shtick. 27:58.996 --> 28:22.234 And it's maybe easy to see one of these people as frauds, but once you start to see them all as interwoven together frauds, interwoven together scripted bullshit, and realize that for the last five years, and certainly the last five years since I realized that it was a population pyramid thing. 28:23.815 --> 28:26.557 And the reason why I realized that in 2021 had something to do with this 28:29.815 --> 28:35.580 this geopolitics guy with the beard that always talks about China and India. 28:35.640 --> 28:50.752 He talks a lot about the population pyramids and whether China's gonna collapse or not and this kind of thing, but it never dawned on me until, it's Peter something, I think, but yes, Peter Zelhan, that's his name. 28:51.312 --> 28:57.877 And I was watching one of his videos and it dawned on me, holy shit, wait, if the population pyramids are inverted, 28:58.758 --> 29:05.602 and this is a problem for economies, then a way to manage it would be murder and lies. 29:06.162 --> 29:11.865 And it suddenly snapped in my head why Denny Rancourt 29:12.754 --> 29:14.656 was where he is. 29:14.996 --> 29:16.658 It suddenly snapped in my head. 29:17.198 --> 29:18.399 What is he up to? 29:18.459 --> 29:19.260 What is he doing? 29:19.300 --> 29:22.323 And it made perfect sense to me from that moment on. 29:22.783 --> 29:32.052 And then trying to articulate, and more importantly, trying to imagine in my head, realistically, how much of a signal it could be. 29:33.903 --> 29:38.548 And when you see this map here, and you see the signal that's coming. 29:38.608 --> 29:42.231 Now look, this is 65 to 69 right there. 29:42.391 --> 29:45.955 And we have the line is right about at 4 million people. 29:46.595 --> 29:52.801 So 4 million people are in retirement age in America right now in that five year category. 29:53.562 --> 29:58.626 and they have stopped paying taxes and they've started drawing on social security. 29:58.806 --> 30:03.930 And if they're sick or need medications or whatever, they're drawing on Medicare and Medicaid. 30:04.450 --> 30:05.971 And that is right there. 30:06.011 --> 30:11.295 So if we start the advancement at 4 million, this right above the A there. 30:11.696 --> 30:15.138 And if you go over to this side, you can see it's 65 to 69. 30:15.198 --> 30:16.799 And then where my finger is 60 to 64 is at 30:20.396 --> 30:21.377 about six million. 30:21.417 --> 30:24.679 Now just watch as this bump moves upward. 30:25.079 --> 30:27.721 This is not math that no one could do. 30:27.741 --> 30:31.043 This is not math that no one bothered to do. 30:31.563 --> 30:40.149 More importantly, this is the most important math that any of the ruling class people can do. 30:41.365 --> 30:51.613 It's also coincidentally some of the most important math that any military strategist would be doing if they were trying to think about their adversaries in the future. 30:53.054 --> 31:06.264 Because an adversary with an inverted pyramid and a very awful inverted pyramid might be in big trouble and it might not be a big deal if they build up their military and have a bunch of planes that nobody can fly or maintain. 31:09.488 --> 31:14.531 Watch the carefully how it goes from 6 million and 4 million. 31:16.812 --> 31:17.892 Now it's growing already. 31:17.932 --> 31:19.113 Look at that one right there. 31:19.173 --> 31:20.354 Look at it exploding. 31:21.294 --> 31:26.457 Those are all people who are stopping paying taxes and starting to pull taxes out especially. 31:26.477 --> 31:27.357 I mean, look at that. 31:28.017 --> 31:30.319 Look at these age groups expanding there. 31:30.839 --> 31:36.962 There is nothing else to see but a biological certainty that with 31:38.055 --> 31:44.137 A bunch of people on social media on the same script they were able to use to get away with murder. 31:47.378 --> 31:52.019 And as I said yesterday, I'll repeat again, this population report would have come out in 2020. 31:52.099 --> 31:57.820 The signal that we were about to see would be obvious in it, but instead it came out in 2025. 31:58.941 --> 32:05.562 And the signal that we're talking about that was especially pronounced in many other smaller Western nations is now gone. 32:06.123 --> 32:07.263 How convenient is that? 32:12.304 --> 32:17.186 And so we have a list, and I think it is a very succinct explanation for what happened. 32:17.306 --> 32:34.475 Number one, because again, remember, in a system-wide orchestration that ends up in a signal that you can barely see on that background of dark red there of all-cause mortality, but it can only see it if you show it the way the PBS NewsHour shows it. 32:36.638 --> 32:53.208 that was sculpted that was number one expected because you can see it here and i'll show you very clearly the dip here is at 50 000 and if we get up here over there at the end of the graph i'll use my arrow put the arrow over here that right there is almost at 60 000 so the dip 32:55.109 --> 32:59.633 every year in the summertime went from below 50,000 with a maximum of around 60,000 or maybe 70,000 in 2016. 32:59.673 --> 33:02.134 Look, these numbers have changed, but the dip here, it's not going below 60,000 anymore. 33:13.911 --> 33:17.533 So the rise in all cause mortality is still really available. 33:17.593 --> 33:18.633 It's visible right here. 33:18.673 --> 33:21.014 And what did Denny Rancourt do specifically? 33:21.515 --> 33:29.999 He went around the world declaring that there was no increase in all cause mortality until after the shots were rolled out. 33:32.160 --> 33:32.880 Stop lying. 33:33.380 --> 33:41.644 That's exactly what he said while he was on stage with Robert Malone and Steven Hatfill and all these people in Romania in November of 2023. 33:44.775 --> 33:47.777 These people are not just traitors to their own nations. 33:47.837 --> 33:50.518 They are traitors to all the grandchildren of earth. 33:52.220 --> 34:03.346 They are traitors because they, they are aware that they are part of an elaborate ruse and they think they're going to get a seat on the arc, whatever that is. 34:04.487 --> 34:06.368 They think they're going to get special treatment. 34:06.388 --> 34:08.029 They think they're going to get 10 Bitcoin. 34:08.049 --> 34:09.470 They think they're going to get something. 34:12.304 --> 34:23.916 because this explanation has been available and has been trumpeted from the rooftops for more than two and a half years now. 34:24.156 --> 34:35.047 Understand the video that I started this stream with is a video that completely and totally predates my friendship with Jessica Hockett. 34:37.130 --> 34:48.180 which was a renewed relationship between the head guys at Panda, Jonathan Engler and Nick Hudson and their friend, Martin Neal. 34:50.282 --> 34:57.448 That video with Kim.com and Rick C and Huff, his before Jessica Hockett ever even reached out to me. 34:59.619 --> 35:05.104 Think about how remarkable that is, how much of this bullshit is still to come after December of 2022. 35:05.305 --> 35:09.208 And in December of 2022, I was already here. 35:10.970 --> 35:17.016 Mark was already pointing out that, look, the opioid deaths are creating a signal that everybody is ignoring. 35:17.076 --> 35:21.040 And it's a really important signal because it's a drop in life expectancy. 35:23.888 --> 35:31.851 that would never otherwise be present if it wasn't for this opioid crisis being allowed to just go on in the background. 35:32.471 --> 35:36.052 Because, you know, it just affects people that nobody cares about anyway. 35:36.472 --> 35:38.813 It's the attitude that people like Meryl Nass have. 35:41.254 --> 35:45.475 It's the attitude that a lot of these elites or would-be elites have. 35:46.595 --> 35:48.516 Because it's the attitude you have to take. 35:49.525 --> 36:04.955 if you're gonna assume that murder and lies might be necessary to govern the United States during this crucial transition period, this crucial population transitional period. 36:06.796 --> 36:18.884 You can see it very clearly, you can hear it very clearly if you sit down at a table with these people and they explain to you that there is an anticipated rise in all-cause mortality, that if it's not properly managed, could actually bankrupt our country. 36:20.174 --> 36:42.258 And the transition to a population pyramid that's a little more off balance over the next 30 years could cost us everything, or we could use it to our favor to try and reorganize the whole Western world around a pseudo-global governance structure where nation states are kind of dependent on one another and govern, you know, kind of like the EU. 36:44.813 --> 36:55.239 And if you want to be in on it, you want to be in on the transition to this digital currency, you might want to be in on this national security thing because we're just going to ask somebody else if you don't want to join in. 36:55.739 --> 37:00.382 And all you really got to do is just not say anything about the opioid crisis for a while. 37:00.982 --> 37:15.212 And if you're Jessica Rose, all you gotta do is just do a podcast or two where you say that you've done some research and you don't think it's the opioid crisis at all that's responsible for the reduction in life expectancy in America. 37:15.352 --> 37:16.813 It doesn't seem to be that at all. 37:17.153 --> 37:29.341 And if you're Pierre Corey, you just have to go on Jimmy Dore and laugh about it and make jokes about the fact that, you know, unless these crispy chips were introduced in the third quarter of 2021, I don't think so. 37:38.411 --> 37:48.724 And so what's so dark about that one particular little clip that Housatonic has been so good about accentuating is that it also kind of pre 37:51.712 --> 38:13.162 It hints at the idea that what's coming in the next year is this pivot of this health freedom movement from not even really focusing on the COVID shot anymore, but focusing on seed oils and petroleum-based dyes and all this other nonsense that they've now got people running in a hamster wheel about and kept them there for the last three or four months. 38:14.571 --> 38:20.316 And so what I find so striking about that December, 2022 videos, I'm still already very good. 38:20.476 --> 38:40.173 I've already started to always rank order my replies so that when I'm critiquing Huff or I'm critiquing Rixey, what I specifically say is they don't say anything about PCR testing fraud or lateral flow testing fraud or sequencing fraud, or 38:40.914 --> 38:42.295 the deadly protocols. 38:42.875 --> 38:45.377 They just talk about gain-of-function viruses. 38:45.557 --> 38:49.940 Gain-of-function viruses, gain-of-function research needs to be prohibited. 38:50.020 --> 38:54.043 And so I could see it already in December of 2022. 38:54.723 --> 38:59.967 There was just more progress to be made in understanding the limits of molecular biology. 38:59.987 --> 39:02.068 And I'm still making progress on that front. 39:02.768 --> 39:07.051 If I wasn't, I would already be teaching the course and I would already have it there. 39:07.091 --> 39:08.872 But I'm making sure that 39:10.094 --> 39:13.696 I go forward and I'm in shape to do what I'm about to do. 39:14.457 --> 39:24.342 I only would be here if it wasn't for the very, very strong work of Mark Kulak out of Boston at HousatonicITS.com. 39:25.023 --> 39:26.704 If you're not following him, please do. 39:27.124 --> 39:36.970 Of all of the people that I put up on this little screen here of meddlers, I've had personal interaction with almost all of them, and I think the only way that they have power 39:37.490 --> 39:40.013 is because on social media they can perform. 39:40.453 --> 39:49.923 And so if you don't use social media, you can't be spellbound by their interactions with each other, by their arguments with each other, by their backstabbing each other. 39:49.983 --> 39:50.984 It all goes away. 39:51.965 --> 39:58.131 And you'll never be possibly caught up arguing with one person in their many anonymous fake accounts. 39:58.972 --> 40:17.109 uh all of which happens in condition that we will not call autism i don't like the word autism um he was vaccine damaged and it all happens because on social media there's children's health defense people and health council for health people and brownstone people that are agreeing with wellness company people or 40:17.689 --> 40:34.458 arguing that wellness company people are shady, and promoting heart and panda people, or ICANN people that are promoting children's health defense people, or the Canadian Inquiry just has to do a few more interviews and they'll finally have their 10,000 page report on how the hell this happened. 40:35.298 --> 40:43.943 And the FLCC Alliance, Honest Medicine by trademark, has become Independent Medical Alliance, you know, 40:45.017 --> 40:47.258 This is what social media allows to happen. 40:47.318 --> 40:54.401 None of these organizations, none of these nonprofits, none of these rescue the Republic, join the resistance. 40:55.481 --> 40:58.062 None of this stuff would have happened without of social media. 40:59.483 --> 41:10.347 They would have never been able to accomplish any of this nonsense if there wasn't social media to make it look like it was cool, make it look like they had momentum, make it look like that the word about vaccines was getting out. 41:13.590 --> 41:15.511 I assure you, it's still not getting out. 41:15.551 --> 41:18.193 The only people that hear it are the people that already have heard it. 41:18.953 --> 41:24.717 Just like on your social media site, this is the best test that you can do, okay? 41:27.219 --> 41:29.840 How much on social media do you see of the NBA? 41:31.761 --> 41:35.824 How much on social media do you see of a particular baseball team? 41:37.042 --> 41:56.193 Because I will offer you the possibility to understand that some people, because of the way that they engage with social media, see a lot of NBA stuff and a lot of a particular NFL football team or a National League baseball team. 41:58.214 --> 42:00.636 Or maybe they get a lot about the Colorado Buffaloes. 42:03.993 --> 42:10.035 And you and I have been working hard in a particular way to interact with social media in a particular way. 42:10.055 --> 42:21.460 And what we get, if we are just getting the output of a machine learning algorithm that is somewhat adaptive to our choices, then we're getting whatever keeps us there. 42:21.700 --> 42:28.363 And in this particular case, it might just be this kaleidoscope of shitheads. 42:29.551 --> 42:33.613 that has a very, very prominent presence on social media. 42:33.653 --> 42:49.860 And so if you're interested in following Jikki Leaks and the rest of this mouse army, then I bet you, you've seen a lot of Brownstone retweets and you've seen a lot of door to freedom stuff and you know, the world council for health and all of their worldwide chapters make sense to you. 42:52.861 --> 43:00.867 But if you like the Pittsburgh Pirates and you like to argue about the batting averages of certain people and whether they matter or not, then you're gonna see a lot of that on social media. 43:01.407 --> 43:05.770 But if you're like me or Mark Kulak, you will see virtually nothing of anybody. 43:07.811 --> 43:08.892 And nobody will see you. 43:10.854 --> 43:14.536 But because you can only scroll through one list, you don't know that. 43:14.616 --> 43:15.617 No one can see that. 43:15.657 --> 43:16.858 It seems like it's working. 43:16.898 --> 43:19.860 Yeah, I get a lot of ads, but oh yeah, there's one guy I know. 43:20.660 --> 43:21.421 It doesn't matter. 43:23.083 --> 43:26.486 You might as well be in a phone booth, screaming and yelling. 43:27.667 --> 43:29.629 It's as easy as a few variables. 43:29.669 --> 43:37.935 They just switch those off and switch those on and it feels just the same to you, but nobody can hear and see you at all and nobody cares. 43:39.457 --> 43:46.463 And these people operate on the opposite side of that system, where their accounts are amplified. 43:47.691 --> 44:01.999 where the anonymous bot accounts and the anonymous accounts which are maintained by real people are all supportive of their work and their ideas and that games the algorithm in a known way because they're instructed how to game the algorithm. 44:04.721 --> 44:12.265 And not that we can't figure out how to game the algorithm, but it doesn't have to work for us the way it works for them when it's programmed to work for them. 44:13.015 --> 44:18.481 And you've got to get it in your head that social media has been programmed to work against us. 44:18.682 --> 44:20.924 It is not a free press. 44:21.405 --> 44:24.288 It is not a town square. 44:24.448 --> 44:28.653 Social media is a military programmed control suite. 44:30.335 --> 44:33.559 It is a narrative control software. 44:34.591 --> 44:42.696 And there's just different versions of them that they've tricked us into thinking, oh, Gab's gonna be free this time, or Locals is where the real free people are working. 44:43.217 --> 44:44.317 No, no, it's Substack. 44:44.397 --> 44:46.459 Substack is where all the free press is. 44:50.281 --> 44:52.302 And that's why she's on X now. 44:55.324 --> 44:57.906 That's why Pauly Tommy is still working. 45:02.977 --> 45:03.278 Darn it. 45:03.318 --> 45:05.480 I gotta always it always runs out right there. 45:05.520 --> 45:05.920 It's funny. 45:07.221 --> 45:22.335 That's why Pauly Tommy is still working Because that's why Brian hooker is still working not just he's just saying autism just building a big health tent of health freedom Same as Mary Holland. 45:22.355 --> 45:23.156 They're not they're not 45:24.428 --> 45:26.232 They're not fighting against each other. 45:26.372 --> 45:27.154 Brian's not. 45:27.434 --> 45:28.176 None of this. 45:28.256 --> 45:29.399 It's all one network. 45:29.579 --> 45:32.566 And once you get in it, you either go along with it or they'll throw you out. 45:33.688 --> 45:34.409 Or they'll kill you. 45:40.188 --> 45:43.249 And with social media, maybe they didn't think they had to kill me anymore. 45:43.309 --> 45:45.250 Maybe they didn't have to kill Brandy Vaughn. 45:45.870 --> 45:46.270 I don't know. 45:46.370 --> 45:49.391 She was the only one who was using her own money to put billboards up. 45:49.431 --> 45:50.052 That's for sure. 45:50.612 --> 45:52.373 So what do we really got to think about here? 45:52.533 --> 45:53.693 What really got us here? 45:54.493 --> 45:55.814 What are we really talking about? 45:56.997 --> 46:01.680 Make sure that you understand all of these connections, understand these very well, right? 46:01.720 --> 46:04.362 This is not just conjecture here. 46:04.402 --> 46:16.249 There's just a mountain of evidence and metadata that suggests that we're right, that these guys are behind him, that he might just be a puppet, a real, a real tragic Truman show, really. 46:17.070 --> 46:23.654 And if you watch him standing behind Jay Bhattacharya from that talk or that, that announcement the other day, boy, it's scary. 46:25.188 --> 46:30.670 I don't see anybody swinging from chains or dropping to the floor and doing pushups with his shirt off anymore. 46:31.310 --> 46:32.991 I see a guy who can barely stand up. 46:35.812 --> 46:38.693 And I think that's why there's this fake anti-vax movement. 46:38.893 --> 46:44.775 I think this fake anti-vax movement was never really, I never really thought they were gonna have to do that much. 46:45.395 --> 46:53.658 If you look at the SPARS pandemic document and you go to about page 45 and start reading and you hear them talking about the post pandemic, 46:54.738 --> 47:10.723 narrative control on social media about how the COVAX, or whatever they called it, they called it something like that, vaccine that supposedly was released to, you know, to save people from the SPARS pandemic, also had some side effects. 47:10.783 --> 47:23.067 And there's this hypothetical imaginary character called Epi-Girl that apparently exposes the vaccine injuries on social media, and then the government has to cop to the fact that they hurt some people. 47:23.507 --> 47:44.095 So yes, there is a document, S-P-A-R-S, the SPARS pandemic document that talks about a respiratory coronavirus hypothetical scenario that includes a social media person kind of exposing the people or whistleblowing on the hidden costs of the rollout of the vaccine. 47:44.155 --> 47:48.097 Now, this seems like a much more elaborate show than that. 47:48.157 --> 47:50.618 And I would argue that that's exactly what you see. 47:51.772 --> 47:56.356 You see a show much more elaborate than the original script called for. 47:57.817 --> 48:11.069 The real original script probably only needed people like Andrew Huff and Charles Rixey, but at some point in time, shit went off the rails and they actually brought in Robert Malone and he went public. 48:11.880 --> 48:16.947 And from that moment on, I assure you, this script has been way off the rails. 48:17.027 --> 48:26.700 And you can see that from Robert Malone's attitude change from literally podcast to podcast, where you start with the baseline of the June 48:28.041 --> 48:44.473 21st 2021 podcast with Brett Weinstein and Steve Kirsch, and then you move on to the August podcast with Paul Cuttrell, and you see a very, very, very, very different Robert Malone. 48:45.902 --> 48:57.870 Because in those situations, he's talking to two completely different audiences in his mind, and two completely different set of people are seeing him as the character that they know. 48:59.171 --> 49:06.516 One was Paul Cottrell, a guy connected to George Webb, probably already briefed on Robert Malone's script from 2020, and 49:09.272 --> 49:16.974 Brett Weinstein, somebody they probably never thought they would need to actually bring so prominently in. 49:19.935 --> 49:21.796 It's really, really remarkable. 49:24.437 --> 49:32.199 Where we are right now is that this might be, that lady right there, Mary, might be the most dangerous kink in their armor. 49:32.359 --> 49:34.120 She was just on Joe Rogan yesterday. 49:35.151 --> 49:38.693 I haven't seen the episode yet, but you see how close that is, right? 49:38.733 --> 49:45.356 Because that lady is on Twitter right now pretending that I'm an anonymous account and that she doesn't know who I am. 49:46.077 --> 49:50.999 Even though she was on my podcast in 2021, the same year. 49:52.640 --> 49:53.000 Maybe it was 2022. 49:53.240 --> 49:54.401 I have to check. 49:54.441 --> 49:55.421 I still haven't uploaded it. 49:55.581 --> 50:01.824 I apologize that, but I think it was 2021, the same year that Kevin McKernan was also on my stream. 50:02.805 --> 50:04.746 It was right before or right after him, I believe. 50:05.694 --> 50:07.935 But see, we'll put all these people on the timeline. 50:07.955 --> 50:10.515 When did I have Jessica Rose on my stream for the first time? 50:10.575 --> 50:10.735 When? 50:11.215 --> 50:11.995 You will see it. 50:15.076 --> 50:22.338 And now we're so close to breaking this because Mary is possibly somebody who could understand how she's been used. 50:22.438 --> 50:22.998 Possibly. 50:23.318 --> 50:23.658 I don't know. 50:25.299 --> 50:26.819 I still haven't lost all my hope. 50:34.391 --> 50:35.812 Mmm, what's happening here? 50:35.852 --> 50:37.252 I gotta reset this, my bad. 50:37.272 --> 50:43.475 It goes there and that goes there and then this will work. 50:46.016 --> 50:49.718 Because we're all kind of ticked off, I think, about the COVID vaccines and so on. 50:49.778 --> 50:50.918 Not all, but many of us. 50:51.499 --> 50:51.919 However, 50:53.083 --> 50:53.844 They're not all bad. 50:54.184 --> 50:56.246 They do make some drugs that have helped a lot of people. 50:57.107 --> 50:58.628 America's drunk on Ozempic. 50:59.790 --> 51:04.494 But I mean, there are some actual serious drugs that can help people. 51:04.975 --> 51:16.626 And so one of the concerns behind people who back big pharma is how much is all of this, some of the stuff we're talking about, going to slow down the approval process for new drugs or drugs in testing? 51:16.806 --> 51:18.507 We're speeding up the approval process. 51:18.988 --> 51:25.833 We made an announcement last week that we are reducing the requirements for some perfunctory things, like animal testing. 51:25.913 --> 51:33.079 Why are we testing every single drug in chimpanzees and dogs, usually beagles, because they're obedient? 51:33.739 --> 51:34.740 That's so sad. 51:34.780 --> 51:36.621 It's sad and it's unnecessary. 51:36.721 --> 51:43.745 So it's unnecessary to test things in animals I thought that all the things that I ever learned as an academic biologist. 51:43.765 --> 51:53.151 We had very good moral reasons for testing on animals and that we were supposed to use the the least complex 51:54.272 --> 51:58.654 Organism that was required to test the hypothesis. 51:58.694 --> 52:22.127 We wanted to test you don't use monkeys to test Something that you could test in mice or even better something you could test in a cell culture So what he is telling you is the truth though we are at a point where our rudimentary knowledge of human physiology is actually limited by the fact that a lot of our 52:23.052 --> 52:28.659 Our assumptions are based on physiology that we've only measured in other model systems. 52:28.719 --> 52:33.924 Now, that is historically not because we are animal killers. 52:34.065 --> 52:41.193 That is historically because it's easier and more justifiable to dissect a frog than it is to dissect a baby. 52:42.299 --> 52:57.914 And I can't stress how malevolent it is that this guy is being used to talk about something that is actually quite nuanced and actually quite a sophisticated bioethics topic. 52:59.545 --> 53:03.068 so dismissively as to say, well, we don't need these tests anymore. 53:03.088 --> 53:15.918 And he's talking about one very small niche and one tiny little corner of the regulatory market where something that's approved in another country has to do some things in America in order to get approved in America. 53:15.958 --> 53:17.559 And some of those might be animal tests. 53:18.059 --> 53:23.065 That is such a small fraction of what he's actually talking about. 53:23.105 --> 53:34.117 By eliminating animal testing, what he is admitting is that most of this stuff is gonna be done either in humans or even worse, it's gonna be done using AI and model systems. 53:35.680 --> 53:38.222 Some of these drugs are already proved in other countries in humans. 53:38.642 --> 53:44.526 So you have a drug already in use in humans in other countries and we're requiring animal testing before. 53:44.966 --> 53:51.791 So we are now, we've put out a release that we are now taking steps to reduce the animal testing requirement. 53:51.831 --> 53:53.212 It's cruel to the animals sometimes. 53:53.332 --> 53:54.273 It's unnecessary. 53:54.813 --> 54:05.400 And we live in a modern world where we have computational modeling using AI that can evaluate a molecule and predict its toxicity in humans better than the animal testing. 54:05.560 --> 54:06.861 That's pretty convenient. 54:06.901 --> 54:22.457 I mean, I know a guy, Robert Malone, who worked on this domain program, which I think was a Ditra-based program, that was in like three weeks in January of 2020, was able to go through the entire catalog. 54:23.178 --> 54:31.686 of FDA pharmaceuticals and nutraceuticals and identify candidate compounds that would interact with a couple key viral proteins. 54:32.407 --> 54:40.074 So this sounds like either a descendant of that technology or perhaps the conventional spinoff of it. 54:40.134 --> 54:41.195 Really exciting, wow. 54:42.156 --> 54:47.260 We also have something called organ-on-a-chip technology, where say liver cells are grown in the lab. 54:47.280 --> 54:48.762 Sounds like a terrible appetizer. 54:49.858 --> 54:51.900 Yeah, I personally cannot eat liver. 54:52.000 --> 54:53.622 I've operated on the liver too much. 54:53.802 --> 54:55.964 That's one food I cannot do. 54:56.004 --> 54:57.125 No one wants organ on a chip. 54:57.266 --> 54:58.487 Yeah, organ on a chip. 54:58.767 --> 55:00.949 So in the lab, they grow these cells. 55:02.011 --> 55:03.192 and then they introduce the drug. 55:03.292 --> 55:12.956 And you can actually see whether or not it injures the cells better than if you inject some bunny rabbit that is not gonna talk to you and say, my liver hurts. 55:13.457 --> 55:19.039 So these new technologies have the promise of replacing some of this routine animal testing. 55:19.560 --> 55:20.160 You would cut. 55:20.200 --> 55:29.684 So now they're signaling to you that they are going to invest billions of dollars in these technologies which have never worked 55:31.519 --> 55:48.905 The only application where I know that this has been done in the past and really done with a lot of money and investment and intention is in neuroscience, because culturing brains, culturing an embryonic brain, even culturing a neuronal network is all 55:49.705 --> 56:07.422 Stuff that they've been doing for the last 10 if not 20 years trying to figure out if it was possible figure out what is possible and so Claiming that these are new technologies or he put liver cells on a chip these are the kinds of sort of 56:09.142 --> 56:27.317 not real advances that also, you know, just from a practical perspective, the robotics, for example, a lot of the stuff that McKernan is responsible for with regard to the progress of the Human Genome Project is just a question of brute forcing the same reactions and being able to do more reactions per day. 56:27.377 --> 56:33.562 And I'm not saying that they're not technological advances, but they are technological advances that are 56:34.554 --> 56:38.757 are irrelevant to the biology that they either push forward or don't. 56:39.097 --> 56:52.748 And in this case, you know, being able to sequence a lot of DNA or longer pieces of DNA more cheaply with more accuracy hasn't resulted in any significant gains in our understanding 56:53.729 --> 57:01.114 of how our biology is encoded in DNA as a real pattern integrity with a trajectory across time. 57:01.154 --> 57:13.602 We're just thinking about genes as proteins and then assuming that if you make all these proteins in the right order, they'll just self-assemble into that beautiful teenage girl that you had a crush on when you were in high school. 57:14.183 --> 57:15.284 And that's just absurd. 57:16.384 --> 57:17.805 We don't understand any of that. 57:17.985 --> 57:28.647 And now this guy, a surgeon, who can make jokes about not being able to eat liver because he used to do surgery on liver, this is not good. 57:29.348 --> 57:32.549 This is part of an absolute sabotage of the FDA. 57:32.729 --> 57:33.489 I presume 57:34.309 --> 57:38.131 because that was the target or one of the targets of this operation all along. 57:38.151 --> 57:44.053 I mean, this is a multi-decade operation with the idea of taking over the FDA. 57:44.233 --> 57:49.296 I don't know about the rest of it yet, but for sure, one of the targets is the FDA. 57:50.576 --> 58:00.161 Six months out of that approval process, you lower R&D costs for pharma companies and inventors, which could lower drug prices for everyday Americans. 58:00.561 --> 58:01.941 And it reduces animal use. 58:01.961 --> 58:03.182 There's too much animal use. 58:03.697 --> 58:15.949 You know what's weird is that the times that we've gone to the doctor, my wife and I, since we've been back to the States, since I brought Phila back here in 2016, we've been to the doctor a few times. 58:20.256 --> 58:25.380 I went to the dentist one time and took x-rays and then they asked me how old I was. 58:26.140 --> 58:30.584 And I said I was 49 or 48, I think I said. 58:30.784 --> 58:31.704 I can't remember anymore. 58:31.725 --> 58:32.325 I might have even been 47. 58:34.028 --> 58:36.430 And they said, when's the last time you've been to the dentist? 58:36.450 --> 58:38.651 And I said, probably at least 16 years ago. 58:39.332 --> 58:50.419 And they were like, holy shit, you have no cavities and maybe you should just, we'll clean them and you come back in another 16 years, whatever you're doing, you should keep doing it. 58:51.980 --> 58:59.125 And the other thing that happens when we go to the doctor, when they ask you if you're on any medications and we say no, and they kind of pause. 59:02.153 --> 59:08.759 And now he's talking about doing a favor for Americans by making their medications cheaper. 59:09.059 --> 59:13.243 I don't think that sounds very MAGA to me or very MAHA to me. 59:13.883 --> 59:15.625 It sounds very HAHA to me. 59:17.679 --> 59:23.462 Are there any other areas where AI can come and help as we move into the 21st century? 59:23.762 --> 59:27.204 Yeah, we're bringing in a team that is really exciting. 59:27.244 --> 59:38.890 They're going to introduce AI into the review process to help the reviewer, to make the reviewer's work stream much more streamlined and summarize things. 59:39.431 --> 59:43.873 There are parts of the drug application that are so perfunctory, that are outdated. 59:44.313 --> 59:45.354 That could be streamlined. 59:45.374 --> 59:48.515 That could be abstracted with AI to help the reviewer. 59:48.655 --> 59:55.057 So here, like all other aspects of government that Trump is taking on, you're saying there's actually too much red tape. 59:55.378 --> 59:58.559 And we're red taping the wrong things, it sounds like you're saying. 59:58.779 --> 01:00:00.240 Why does it take 10 years? 01:00:00.260 --> 01:00:06.042 It doesn't sound like he's going to look back at PCR as a diagnostic and question anything, is he? 01:00:06.842 --> 01:00:08.323 Which means there's a whole 01:00:09.684 --> 01:00:16.891 There's a whole industry and a whole sector of the market of diagnostics that will never be regulated again, essentially. 01:00:18.552 --> 01:00:22.176 That's not even on the gun range. 01:00:23.257 --> 01:00:26.360 It's not even among the targets you can choose. 01:00:27.689 --> 01:00:28.730 They don't even notice it. 01:00:28.890 --> 01:00:29.910 It's not even there. 01:00:30.531 --> 01:00:32.011 It's as if it never existed. 01:00:32.031 --> 01:00:42.537 A lot of the same way that Charles Rixey and Kevin McCairn and Andrew Huff and all of these people in the health freedom movement insist that it must be a gain-of-function virus. 01:00:42.597 --> 01:00:43.518 I mean, obviously. 01:00:45.699 --> 01:00:47.820 Without ever looking at the definition, 01:00:49.454 --> 01:00:59.280 by sequencing or PCR without ever looking at the definition of murder by supplementary oxygen or by opioids and adding the numbers up, just doing the math. 01:01:00.080 --> 01:01:12.308 They're just going to wait and rely on, you know, Dowd to say what he says, or Nick Hudson, the actuary, to say what he says, or Denny Rancor, the physicist, to say what he says, because I couldn't do the math myself. 01:01:12.728 --> 01:01:14.109 It's pretty hard to figure out. 01:01:17.600 --> 01:01:21.922 is to bring a drug to market in the United States because of the regulatory steps. 01:01:22.542 --> 01:01:24.283 I mean, people are dying. 01:01:24.343 --> 01:01:28.045 People need cures and meaningful treatments. 01:01:31.327 --> 01:01:32.507 People are dying? 01:01:32.547 --> 01:01:35.349 They need meaningful cures and treatments? 01:01:37.450 --> 01:01:37.830 Wow. 01:01:38.470 --> 01:01:41.592 I mean, what are you going to say with this? 01:01:42.051 --> 01:01:50.016 My predecessor in this role was focused, as he stated, his number one goal was fighting misinformation. 01:01:50.136 --> 01:01:57.141 Well, our number one goal is delivering cures and meaningful treatments and healthier foods for Americans. 01:01:57.381 --> 01:01:58.362 That is our focus. 01:02:00.003 --> 01:02:03.806 And so you've heard about consolidation, or changes, or cuts at the FDA. 01:02:04.266 --> 01:02:07.808 Those were not cuts to scientists, or reviewers, or inspectors. 01:02:08.289 --> 01:02:08.989 Absolutely none. 01:02:09.109 --> 01:02:18.475 They were cuts to communications staff, FDA's lobbyists to Congress, and to the IT systems here, where there's a lot of opportunity for efficiencies. 01:02:18.575 --> 01:02:28.282 Yes, definitely there's been pushback on IT systems here, the efficiencies of the patenting system, the efficiencies of the approval system. 01:02:28.342 --> 01:02:29.263 This is not good. 01:02:30.303 --> 01:02:36.187 using AI for the application process, for the approval process, for the screening process. 01:02:36.868 --> 01:02:38.709 This does not sound good at all. 01:02:38.749 --> 01:02:46.515 This sounds like sabotage of the FDA's mandate to make sure that everything is safe and effective that's sold in America. 01:02:46.823 --> 01:02:49.065 the number of people who were ousted. 01:02:49.085 --> 01:02:56.049 I think it was your predecessor who said the FDA, as we know it, is gone, that the experts are gone. 01:02:56.169 --> 01:03:01.673 People with decades of institutional knowledge have been turfed, suggesting there might now be a safety issue here. 01:03:02.314 --> 01:03:03.154 There is a mass. 01:03:03.374 --> 01:03:08.318 Make no mistake about the fact that it's my understanding from my friends in the U.S. 01:03:08.358 --> 01:03:15.563 government that a lot of the senior members of the FBI took the offer to retire and are gone. 01:03:16.607 --> 01:03:24.891 A lot of senior members of many different departments in the government, when offered early retirement by Elon Musk, actually took it. 01:03:27.072 --> 01:03:35.516 Not because, you know, they're lazy or whatever, but because it was a legally absurd offer. 01:03:38.038 --> 01:03:39.819 And many of them are gone now. 01:03:40.379 --> 01:03:43.581 The senior leadership of the FBI is essentially gone now. 01:03:43.641 --> 01:03:49.725 That's the real explanation for why Comey did what he did with the seashells in the sand. 01:03:51.386 --> 01:03:57.830 It was an overt signal to everybody who knows what they're seeing there that the FBI is effectively non-existent anymore. 01:03:57.890 --> 01:03:59.330 It's got no leadership. 01:03:59.370 --> 01:04:02.292 And that's why you have like, who, what's his name again? 01:04:02.672 --> 01:04:06.034 Is it a Chinese guy at the head of the FBI or was it a Russian? 01:04:06.094 --> 01:04:06.795 I can't remember. 01:04:08.219 --> 01:04:16.563 His his mind his name will come to my I'll remember it's like Igor Chang or something like that, right or is it is it? 01:04:17.204 --> 01:04:21.526 Guangzhou Guangzhou Skiborovich or something? 01:04:21.566 --> 01:04:25.688 I can't remember who the who the guy of the the head of the FBI is. 01:04:25.728 --> 01:04:27.309 But anyway, the FBI is done. 01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:31.543 massive growth of FDA employees under the Biden administration. 01:04:32.003 --> 01:04:45.775 And when the media reports that there were cuts, which many were early retirements, people took early retirement, none were to scientific reviewers or inspectors or law enforcement at the FDA. 01:04:46.996 --> 01:04:49.678 They were to IT communications, legislative affairs. 01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:52.661 And so what you're not hearing in the mainstream. 01:04:52.701 --> 01:04:54.202 That's just absurd. 01:04:54.382 --> 01:04:58.505 I mean, to say that none of them were important people, just the IT people. 01:04:58.945 --> 01:05:02.568 And so since the IT people left, we're going to institute some AI. 01:05:02.668 --> 01:05:04.089 I mean, what the? 01:05:06.431 --> 01:05:07.591 This is just, this is just dumb. 01:05:07.852 --> 01:05:13.516 I mean, now remember what we saw yesterday on Face the Nation. 01:05:14.522 --> 01:05:18.204 This guy is good at what he does. 01:05:18.244 --> 01:05:19.985 He's an excellent bullshitter. 01:05:20.886 --> 01:05:24.108 He's excellent at staying his, this guy's good. 01:05:24.428 --> 01:05:26.909 I'm not gonna say he's not good, but he's awful. 01:05:28.291 --> 01:05:33.015 is that there was a 100% increase in the number of FDA employees since 2006. 01:05:33.055 --> 01:05:36.999 You have about 18,000, and it's been cut about 3,500 since you and Kennedy got here. 01:05:37.419 --> 01:05:40.162 So you're saying we had more like 9,000? 01:05:40.382 --> 01:05:43.004 We had 9,500 employees at the FDA in 2006. 01:05:43.104 --> 01:05:43.364 Oh, wow. 01:05:43.525 --> 01:05:44.365 Doubled. 01:05:44.806 --> 01:05:54.614 And so when you report that there were cuts and you don't report that there was a 100% increase in employees in the preceding years, 01:05:55.535 --> 01:06:00.500 that the number of employees doubled in the preceding years, that is misleading. 01:06:00.520 --> 01:06:10.451 And the people who we've gotten rid of, losing them is not going to slow down drug approval or safety procedures because they were, sounds like, more administrative people. 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:15.922 There were no cuts to scientists, reviewers, or inspectors, or law enforcement. 01:06:16.002 --> 01:06:21.665 And my goal is to make sure that every one of those people has all the resources they need to do their job well. 01:06:22.386 --> 01:06:31.410 Now, cuts are never perfect, and so we have done an assessment, and there are some individuals that we have invited back. 01:06:32.231 --> 01:06:33.932 There were a couple people who were 01:06:34.552 --> 01:06:42.275 taking the early retirement, and we were told of their, sort of, how well they performed here, and we encouraged them to stay. 01:06:42.675 --> 01:06:44.576 And we encouraged them to stay. 01:06:44.596 --> 01:06:55.960 You see, what you don't need to, I think instead you need to figure into your equation about what's actually happening with the Trump administration, is this is just a hint. 01:06:57.261 --> 01:07:02.883 But I can tell you from friends that I have, that this is not a joke. 01:07:04.252 --> 01:07:06.514 A lot of people took this very seriously. 01:07:06.554 --> 01:07:15.079 And when they got that letter after years of service to multiple administrations, they said, you know what? 01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:20.262 You're gonna send a letter like this to me about early retirement after 15 years of service, I'll take it. 01:07:21.323 --> 01:07:22.464 See what you're gonna do now. 01:07:24.125 --> 01:07:30.209 And I think you can't really underestimate how much narrative control is required in order for them to keep this hidden. 01:07:31.325 --> 01:07:34.126 because it affects senior leadership at the FBI. 01:07:34.766 --> 01:07:40.449 It affects senior leadership probably at the CIA, if there's anything of that organization left. 01:07:40.989 --> 01:07:46.451 It's affected a lot of places in the government because, you know, let's screw it. 01:07:47.332 --> 01:07:58.236 If you already know that people have been, you know, looting the place and you already know that it's gonna get much worse before it gets better, why wouldn't you take an early retirement? 01:08:01.713 --> 01:08:06.035 I think that things are much worse than we are being allowed to see. 01:08:06.115 --> 01:08:25.325 And I think one of the main reasons why you should think that is because of how much time this guy already occupies on national public media, Sunday morning shows, walking this bullshit line that I told you they were gonna walk already in 2021. 01:08:27.646 --> 01:08:29.927 It's remarkable and also terrifying. 01:08:30.609 --> 01:08:39.154 But to not report that the agency has doubled since 2006 before this cut, in my opinion, is not telling the whole story. 01:08:39.174 --> 01:08:39.854 No, it's dishonest. 01:08:40.795 --> 01:08:41.435 It's dishonest. 01:08:42.056 --> 01:08:43.196 Is it swampy here? 01:08:43.517 --> 01:08:50.901 And by that, I mean, we had a report that when Secretary Kennedy came over and addressed the troops last Friday, some people got up and walked out. 01:08:51.041 --> 01:08:53.943 They were disgusted by him, which seems like a bad sign. 01:08:54.878 --> 01:08:56.059 Yeah, I was in that room. 01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:57.940 Nobody got up and walked out. 01:08:58.260 --> 01:08:59.741 Oh, nobody got up and walked out. 01:08:59.821 --> 01:09:05.205 So again, now we're setting up this narrative where some people believe that lots of people got up and walked out. 01:09:05.405 --> 01:09:07.766 And other people believe that nobody got up and walked out. 01:09:07.826 --> 01:09:14.751 And it's, it's these little games that are only possible with social media. 01:09:16.550 --> 01:09:19.192 because again, if he just tells this story, it doesn't matter. 01:09:19.252 --> 01:09:22.214 The point is, is that X users already heard this. 01:09:22.494 --> 01:09:32.441 And, and Megan Kelly is something that is saying something that was already on their mind because the script already put it on social media a few days before this interview. 01:09:32.481 --> 01:09:39.066 Do you understand how malevolently it's designed and how militarily it's deployed yet? 01:09:40.233 --> 01:09:51.943 because I feel like that's one of my jobs now, whether I like it or not, is to try and demonstrate to people how an illusion of consensus on X can be reinforced by a few questions on a podcast. 01:09:52.403 --> 01:09:54.665 And it might be so subtle that you never noticed it. 01:09:54.705 --> 01:09:59.149 Just like when Joe Rogan says that, you know, he eats a certain pasta or something like that. 01:09:59.209 --> 01:10:06.495 It's a subtle advertisement, but advertisements hidden inside of the dialogue of a podcast are not what's dangerous. 01:10:06.635 --> 01:10:07.396 It's the myths. 01:10:08.803 --> 01:10:13.367 biological myths, the societal myths, the economic myths. 01:10:13.507 --> 01:10:17.250 I can't even say myths anymore because there are so many freaking myths. 01:10:19.311 --> 01:10:30.260 And they're all reinforced by this illusion of consensus about what questions are important to ask and what answers are important to consider without actually choosing one. 01:10:32.455 --> 01:10:41.882 Now, we did stream it, so if somebody was watching it in their office and got up to go to the bathroom during the speech, maybe that constituted getting up and walking out. 01:10:41.943 --> 01:10:42.283 I don't know. 01:10:42.363 --> 01:10:55.433 I was in that room, and there was incredible energy in that room because he talked about how agencies that are set up to defend public safety sometimes become captured by the organizations that they are set out to regulate. 01:10:55.713 --> 01:10:59.216 And he talked about the EPA has had a history where they have cycled. 01:10:59.416 --> 01:11:00.958 It's almost as if 01:11:01.718 --> 01:11:07.479 This guy has a better media presence than Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:11:07.519 --> 01:11:10.000 can have, and so they're substituting him in. 01:11:12.221 --> 01:11:14.841 He's talking about what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:11:14.881 --> 01:11:16.802 said, but I thought Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:11:16.822 --> 01:11:29.985 was this fantastic orator that is descended from a long line of fine orators that have included senators and presidents and attorneys general. 01:11:31.650 --> 01:11:32.511 Am I wrong about that? 01:11:35.412 --> 01:11:37.353 And at times have been captured by the industry. 01:11:37.834 --> 01:11:46.419 And he encouraged people at the FDA to speak up, think independently, and that he had his full support behind them. 01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:48.640 So it was an incredible talk. 01:11:48.740 --> 01:11:53.263 And of course, you're gonna hear a clip or a phrase pulled out out of context. 01:11:53.803 --> 01:11:58.666 But I was in that room, nobody walked out, and it was incredibly a strong message. 01:11:58.686 --> 01:11:59.467 The FDA is strong. 01:11:59.727 --> 01:12:01.048 And we're going to continue to be strong. 01:12:01.449 --> 01:12:03.010 And that's because we believe in the scientists. 01:12:03.090 --> 01:12:04.912 How's your relationship with Bobby Kennedy? 01:12:05.513 --> 01:12:05.833 It's good. 01:12:05.853 --> 01:12:10.258 How's your relationship with Bobby Kennedy? 01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:14.662 I don't know what to say, ladies and gentlemen. 01:12:14.702 --> 01:12:19.166 I really don't know what to say other than you've got to see it for the show that it is. 01:12:19.266 --> 01:12:23.471 And not everybody needs to know that the script is bad. 01:12:25.054 --> 01:12:30.039 Some people just accept that they're scripted, like Megyn Kelly accepts that she's scripted. 01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:32.061 She's done that career for a long time. 01:12:32.582 --> 01:12:38.308 She's never been somebody who's seeking her own answers and putting out her own interpretation. 01:12:38.348 --> 01:12:43.393 And so there was a question in the chat a few minutes ago about how do we know if anything is real anymore? 01:12:43.433 --> 01:12:48.318 The only thing that you can do is to trust and verify. 01:12:49.585 --> 01:12:58.210 The only thing that you can do is go with your gut and your heart, listen to the words that people say and decide whether or not you think they're lying to you or not. 01:13:00.811 --> 01:13:02.833 And I think that that's the way forward. 01:13:02.893 --> 01:13:13.399 I think then if you trusted your friends, you trusted your neighbors to do the same thing, then eventually what would rise to the top are people like me. 01:13:14.554 --> 01:13:26.121 who although we make mistakes, although our interpretation of past events in current context will change, we strive to remain honest. 01:13:27.322 --> 01:13:38.830 And we are sort of focused on maintaining a unblemished record of integrity rather than trying to protect some facade of having always been right. 01:13:41.211 --> 01:13:43.893 And I think that's where my whole 01:13:45.305 --> 01:13:50.347 problem for them really went off the rails was when I decided to go public and say, you know what? 01:13:50.488 --> 01:13:51.328 I was a shithead. 01:13:51.628 --> 01:14:02.093 I was, I was pushing a lab leak so far as to write a review about lab leaks and write a review about how spike protein vaccines might cause the lab leak to mutate. 01:14:03.434 --> 01:14:12.058 And I'm sorry, because me doing that was part of the reason why maybe my friend Nathan thought, well, you know, if this wasn't a lab leak, 01:14:13.806 --> 01:14:21.011 Maybe it would be, you know, maybe I could kind of skip the vaccine, but since it's kind of like maybe a lab leak, maybe I should avoid getting it. 01:14:23.513 --> 01:14:27.435 That's the reality that I live with and I will live with for the rest of my life. 01:14:29.917 --> 01:14:31.098 Because like it or not, 01:14:32.182 --> 01:14:35.385 blame it on all these actors on social media, it doesn't matter. 01:14:35.605 --> 01:14:53.921 I didn't figure it out until it was too late for Nathan, and too late for my father-in-law, and too late for my sister-in-law, and too late for my friend Annie, and too late for many other people who aren't dead, but probably are suffering or will suffer more, and could be dead in the future. 01:14:55.842 --> 01:14:58.805 I have to live with the memory of having Nathan laugh at me 01:15:00.362 --> 01:15:03.244 when I said that I still think you could just drop dead from it. 01:15:04.685 --> 01:15:06.967 And that the only hope you have is that it was a placebo. 01:15:09.549 --> 01:15:12.211 And he laughed at me and said, but what if people don't die? 01:15:12.251 --> 01:15:14.713 Then how do you make a living going forward, Jay? 01:15:14.773 --> 01:15:16.234 How does this sustain itself? 01:15:17.955 --> 01:15:20.537 And 34 days later, he dropped dead. 01:15:21.918 --> 01:15:22.619 Something like that. 01:15:22.739 --> 01:15:23.679 Maybe it was 44 days later. 01:15:29.540 --> 01:15:37.289 It's all scripted bullshit, ladies and gentlemen, but it's very malevolent scripted bullshit that has been altered and fine-tuned. 01:15:39.872 --> 01:15:48.282 And a lot of that altering and fine-tuning took place before the pandemic, and it took place because of Brandy Vaughn, around Brandy Vaughn. 01:15:49.161 --> 01:15:57.584 to try and build a fake anti-vax movement despite Brandy Vaughn, so that at the start of the pandemic, they would have control over that narrative. 01:15:57.624 --> 01:16:00.004 And I guess at some point they decided, you know what, kill her. 01:16:02.285 --> 01:16:04.085 Because we're not going to be able to do this. 01:16:04.986 --> 01:16:12.388 And then two weeks after she was dead, Brian Hooker was on a stream with a bunch of people telling everybody all about how COVID worked. 01:16:13.686 --> 01:16:20.049 all about how the testing worked, all about how antibodies worked, all about how asymptomatic transmission worked. 01:16:20.610 --> 01:16:27.654 And coincidentally, nobody on that fricking stream said anything about injection versus ingestion. 01:16:27.734 --> 01:16:37.539 Nobody like Brian Hooker with 16 years experience as a geneticist in plants, making medicine in plants for a genetic laboratory of the government. 01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:44.822 was never going to tell anybody in that Zoom chat that this is a transfection and you shouldn't take it. 01:16:45.182 --> 01:16:47.924 He was just going to complain that they hadn't tested it enough yet. 01:16:49.364 --> 01:16:50.065 Stop lying. 01:16:50.745 --> 01:16:54.527 This guy who in 2013 would not use the word autism. 01:16:54.567 --> 01:16:55.968 He didn't like the word autism. 01:16:56.308 --> 01:16:57.749 His son was vaccine damaged. 01:16:57.789 --> 01:16:59.209 He was neurologically injured. 01:16:59.510 --> 01:17:00.930 He didn't like the word autism. 01:17:01.030 --> 01:17:02.451 He won't use the word autism. 01:17:02.851 --> 01:17:04.072 He was vaccine damaged. 01:17:05.768 --> 01:17:18.814 And now Brian Hooker is spouting scripted bullshit for the last few years about a big top tent for health freedom in hopes that Robert F. Kennedy Jr., when he got somewhere important, he would fix the problem. 01:17:23.936 --> 01:17:26.397 Like it or not, Brian Hooker is a traitor to our children. 01:17:27.153 --> 01:17:42.823 And he could do us a huge favor by confessing to the fact that he put his eggs in the wrong basket, that he should have stuck to his principles in 2013, that he better off would have collaborated with Brandy Vaughn instead of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:17:42.883 --> 01:17:50.048 And he should apologize to all the children that have been injured by the vaccine schedule that he had no effect on. 01:17:55.071 --> 01:17:55.752 No effect. 01:17:56.860 --> 01:17:58.941 Mary Holland has had no effect. 01:17:59.021 --> 01:18:11.809 She saved virtually no one while she's been singing harmoniously with a high salary with Paul Offit on all these shows for so long. 01:18:12.530 --> 01:18:16.152 That many people out of this picture are bad. 01:18:16.653 --> 01:18:21.916 That many people have had personal interaction with me and I can verify are bad. 01:18:23.649 --> 01:18:26.831 They deserve a cream pie in the face, all of them. 01:18:28.993 --> 01:18:37.479 Only Wolfgang Wodach and Thomas Binder have been completely supportive of my narrative. 01:18:38.320 --> 01:18:49.668 And in fact, I should really color in Sukrit Bhakti because he says that now that there's, you know, no debate about RNA camp pandemic, we should stop talking about it, which is of course bullshit. 01:18:50.069 --> 01:18:51.910 It's what we should be teaching our children. 01:18:56.946 --> 01:18:59.007 And so what was this scripted bullshit for? 01:18:59.027 --> 01:19:00.127 You want to know what it was for? 01:19:00.147 --> 01:19:01.588 You got to ask the right questions. 01:19:02.688 --> 01:19:04.309 What was this murder and lies for? 01:19:04.349 --> 01:19:05.730 You got to ask the right questions. 01:19:05.770 --> 01:19:16.354 Like why in 2013 did a guy who worked for a government laboratory genetically modifying plants to produce medicines, why did he not use the word autism? 01:19:16.414 --> 01:19:18.555 Why did he not like the word autism in 2013? 01:19:18.595 --> 01:19:18.975 But now he does. 01:19:21.556 --> 01:19:46.356 You got to ask yourself how it's possible that Mary Holland and Paul Offit were on Democracy Now in 2015 arguing about a certain kind or part of the MMR vaccine causing some damage to her son and essentially promoting the idea of Wakefield and seeding the narrative in America that it's some component of the MMR vaccine that's causing autism. 01:19:48.046 --> 01:20:01.950 You also would need to explain why on April Fool's Day, ICANN was conceived and became a legal entity on the same day that the Vaxxed movie produced by Pauly Tommy and Andrew Wakefield was released in America. 01:20:04.810 --> 01:20:10.752 You also gotta ask yourself why in 2018 the World Mercury Project became Children's Health Defense. 01:20:13.700 --> 01:20:33.563 when in 2018 learntherisk.org was putting billboards outside of Paul Offit's hospital and Larry Cook's little stop mandatory vaccinations website was being promoted by Paul Offit and ZDogg in a stunt 01:20:34.542 --> 01:20:51.090 which I think Mark Hulak has nailed as a stunt that it was where some fake anti-vaxxers came outside of the window with a perfect shot at the at the monitor and at Paul Offit and at them lying and then they happened to drop blinds that you could still see through. 01:20:51.110 --> 01:21:03.136 You also got to ask yourself why in 2019 there are so many weird coincidences like like Sasha Latupova's daughter being on Alex Jones three times. 01:21:05.290 --> 01:21:12.858 Like Brett Weinstein at the end of 2019 having Sam Harris on to say that there's the next pandemic, we won't be able to tolerate any anti-vaxxers. 01:21:13.959 --> 01:21:22.948 With Peter Thiel on the first podcast of Eric Weinstein saying, you know, he doesn't trust science because the specialization allows people to exaggerate and to lie. 01:21:23.468 --> 01:21:25.190 And so he starts with skepticism. 01:21:28.775 --> 01:21:41.743 Where in 2019, James Lyons Weiler is going around the United States telling people that vaccinated diseases, vaccination preventable diseases are still circulating asymptomatically in those people who are vaccinated. 01:21:43.784 --> 01:21:50.829 And that damage to vaccines has a complex bouquet of genetic and environmental explanations, causes. 01:21:51.974 --> 01:21:55.700 You got to go down to 2020 when Brandy Vaughn is killed. 01:21:56.141 --> 01:22:07.098 And then two weeks later, Brian Hooker is telling us all about his knowledge of the coronavirus and coronavirus biology and immunology to coronavirus and vaccine testing. 01:22:10.796 --> 01:22:22.966 And then you gotta accept the next five years of bullshit where all these people have us on this never-ending hamster wheel where they never question the basics of the biology of the pandemic. 01:22:23.586 --> 01:22:30.111 They always accept the novel virus that millions were killed, that millions more were saved from, that might lead to gain of function, therefore it could come again. 01:22:30.131 --> 01:22:38.338 And it's all based on bad biology, evolution because DNA, intramuscular injections, the best invention we've ever come up with. 01:22:39.935 --> 01:22:41.956 It's as good as the wheel or the airplane. 01:22:42.496 --> 01:22:45.437 Pandemics are real and we can make them. 01:22:46.878 --> 01:22:51.780 Not only can Mother Nature do it occasionally if she's a bitch, but we can make them now. 01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:54.901 And it's really easy because of the Human Genome Project. 01:22:56.562 --> 01:22:58.643 You are a human, you're not a person. 01:22:59.143 --> 01:23:02.845 You're definitely not a man or a woman or a young man or a young woman. 01:23:04.526 --> 01:23:07.527 You're certainly not a future mom or a future father. 01:23:08.988 --> 01:23:11.029 You're not even a father or a mother right now. 01:23:11.069 --> 01:23:11.809 You're a human. 01:23:12.930 --> 01:23:14.511 You should think of your kid as a human. 01:23:14.811 --> 01:23:16.592 Not your kid, but our kid. 01:23:17.312 --> 01:23:20.194 And finally, we all descend from the same puddle. 01:23:21.694 --> 01:23:30.739 So accept that you're just the consequence of your genes and accept that your life means nothing because you're the consequence of billions of years of evolution. 01:23:30.799 --> 01:23:31.239 Give it up. 01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:32.480 You can't change anything. 01:23:34.100 --> 01:23:36.682 And these are all lies that take away the sacred 01:23:37.856 --> 01:23:41.737 Everything sacred that should be present in our lives. 01:23:41.817 --> 01:23:50.019 Everything sacred that we should be handing down to our children is effectively erased if you believe bad biology 101 and evolution because DNA. 01:23:51.780 --> 01:23:53.300 That's the thing we need to fight. 01:23:54.501 --> 01:24:01.923 If our children grow up understanding this bullshit as the bullshit that it is, then our future is set. 01:24:02.083 --> 01:24:06.044 Our grandchildren are going to be fine and these slavers have no chance of winning. 01:24:06.903 --> 01:24:08.807 It doesn't matter how good their iPhones get. 01:24:10.591 --> 01:24:11.994 I believe that with all my heart. 01:24:12.195 --> 01:24:12.736 I really do. 01:24:13.237 --> 01:24:17.166 It's been a long strange trip, but I believe more than ever. 01:24:17.884 --> 01:24:19.605 that we are gonna get our way out of this. 01:24:19.645 --> 01:24:20.526 We are gonna push our way. 01:24:20.546 --> 01:24:22.687 Hey everyone, Dr. Z. Welcome to the ZDoggMD show. 01:24:22.807 --> 01:24:24.468 Today, I have a special guest. 01:24:24.488 --> 01:24:30.312 Look, I moved back to the Bay Area so I could talk to smart people at places like UCSF and Stanford and in the Bay Area. 01:24:30.332 --> 01:24:37.017 We're gonna keep reviewing this video because I want to explain to you why Jay Bhattacharya is not my friend anymore. 01:24:37.737 --> 01:24:46.643 I want you to understand how it is impossible that somebody who on my stream defers to me as a biologist whose work he can't evaluate 01:24:48.117 --> 01:24:56.163 could be possibly, in September of 2020, so sure about so much viral biology? 01:24:57.024 --> 01:24:58.144 As you said, at Stanford University. 01:24:58.164 --> 01:25:01.247 I've been at Stanford on the faculty for about 20 years. 01:25:01.767 --> 01:25:05.870 I've an MD and a PhD in economics, and I study health policy and health economics. 01:25:05.970 --> 01:25:11.514 I've been working on infectious disease economics and epidemiology for 20 some years now. 01:25:12.486 --> 01:25:21.311 So the reason I wanted to have... That's actually an admission that his CV is bullshit and it has been manufactured out of some whole cloth. 01:25:21.471 --> 01:25:22.911 It's a joke, actually. 01:25:24.312 --> 01:25:28.975 That's not how he presented himself to me as an infectious disease expert and economist. 01:25:29.015 --> 01:25:29.975 What does that even mean? 01:25:29.995 --> 01:25:33.497 Does that mean he knows how to make money on a pandemic? 01:25:36.383 --> 01:25:39.184 Or does that mean he knows how to make money on the concept of a pandemic? 01:25:39.204 --> 01:25:39.725 What is that? 01:25:40.085 --> 01:25:41.465 Wow. 01:25:41.565 --> 01:25:46.988 What you just said, you have the MD, Stanford trained and a PhD in economics. 01:25:47.808 --> 01:25:50.689 All of his degrees are from Stanford. 01:25:50.909 --> 01:25:54.191 All of them, which is really not how people usually do it. 01:25:54.639 --> 01:26:02.063 which means you can see in a way that many frontline healthcare people, including public health people, aren't able to see the bigger picture. 01:26:02.123 --> 01:26:17.653 Now, you came to prominence during the pandemic as one of the co-authors of the Stanford Seroprevalence Study, which raised all kinds of interesting... I mean, tell me about that experience, because I was talking about your piece early on, saying, hey, this is true, 01:26:18.573 --> 01:26:33.103 The actual... So make no mistake about it, there is a mountain of evidence about the pandemic at the start of the pandemic, which comes from or to us via Indian sources. 01:26:35.364 --> 01:26:44.330 The first paper about the virus sequence and the fear and cleavage site was written by a husband and wife team in Drastic, who are Indian. 01:26:45.595 --> 01:27:02.205 the anonymous person that found the PhD and master's thesis that supposedly had the viral precursor sequences in it and had this outbreak in the mine in Wunan province, Moyang province, sorry. 01:27:03.466 --> 01:27:10.850 That PhD thesis, that master's thesis was found in Mandarin by an Indian who read Mandarin. 01:27:11.590 --> 01:27:14.072 And that was the seeker in drastic. 01:27:17.116 --> 01:27:41.410 Now we also have a Indian guy at Stanford who gives us three, not one, but three seroprevalence studies and also helps Major League Baseball define the presence of infection in their organizations and teaches them how to do it, teaches them that the virus is real, teaches them that the virus may be spreading and you don't know it. 01:27:43.240 --> 01:27:49.823 This is expert class, military level narrative dissemination. 01:27:51.104 --> 01:27:54.306 Make no mistake about it, these are also two Indian men. 01:27:55.947 --> 01:28:02.290 Infection fatality rate of this disease is actually much- The HIV paper came out of India. 01:28:02.790 --> 01:28:06.572 Don't forget the HIV that got retracted because it was crazy. 01:28:07.884 --> 01:28:09.105 lower than we thought. 01:28:09.165 --> 01:28:13.568 It's still higher than flu, but it's not, you know, as high as they've been saying in China. 01:28:13.608 --> 01:28:14.869 I mean, what was that experience like? 01:28:15.169 --> 01:28:16.150 I mean, that was incredible. 01:28:16.670 --> 01:28:28.579 Piper Stover is on a podcast in December of 2019 talking about biotechnology with the former Obama administration ambassador to India. 01:28:32.475 --> 01:28:34.117 It's getting uglier by the second. 01:28:34.297 --> 01:28:38.360 If you add all these things up, it cannot be like, oh, wait, wow. 01:28:38.501 --> 01:28:38.881 Oh, wow. 01:28:38.941 --> 01:28:41.964 Those, those line up pretty good actually, don't they? 01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:49.321 It's just an amazing, in some ways dispiriting, but also exciting experience. 01:28:49.341 --> 01:28:51.803 So can I go back just a little bit? 01:28:51.943 --> 01:28:52.543 Absolutely. 01:28:52.563 --> 01:28:57.826 So what got me into it was I had done some work during the H1N1 flu epidemic in 2009. 01:28:58.006 --> 01:28:59.827 I remember that one. 01:29:00.107 --> 01:29:01.708 I mean, it was a big deal at the time, right? 01:29:01.908 --> 01:29:12.794 But luckily it didn't turn out to be as bad as COVID, but especially at the beginning, people were really, really panicked over the high fatality rates, the case fatality rates that were coming up all around the world. 01:29:13.274 --> 01:29:14.854 I remember I was on practice. 01:29:14.874 --> 01:29:18.595 And so they are in agreement again, and I just want to illustrate it. 01:29:19.635 --> 01:29:23.776 They are in agreement that case fatality rate is a number that needs to be measured. 01:29:24.476 --> 01:29:28.097 And if you don't measure it accurately, you could make the wrong decision. 01:29:30.598 --> 01:29:39.900 And so all the words that they're using here are making their listeners that are passively engaged in this illusion to assume 01:29:40.799 --> 01:29:44.983 that these numbers are valid or validating them is important. 01:29:45.084 --> 01:29:49.268 And more importantly, once we know that number, we will know what action we should take. 01:29:49.308 --> 01:29:56.876 Because if that number is high enough, as jackass number one will say, then that would be reason to lock everybody down. 01:29:59.003 --> 01:30:02.486 to Stanford and everybody was like, we're all going to die. 01:30:02.566 --> 01:30:04.207 It was a kind of a catastrophization. 01:30:04.668 --> 01:30:08.031 Yeah, no, it's actually in the early days, there was good reason. 01:30:08.051 --> 01:30:11.874 There were these case fatality rates that looked like, you know, Ebola. 01:30:11.934 --> 01:30:13.055 I mean, it just, it looked terrible. 01:30:14.557 --> 01:30:24.846 So in other words, if we could fix the case fatality rate at some crazy number, we could trigger all kinds of responses that would otherwise never be triggered. 01:30:26.584 --> 01:30:31.666 Essentially, we are already being technocratically governed, if that's the way this works. 01:30:32.767 --> 01:30:37.368 Just publish the right paper, and you trigger the PrEP Act, and now all bets are off for five years. 01:30:39.389 --> 01:30:53.915 Think about that, because that's essentially what they did with EcoHealth Alliance, and sending the fat man, Peter Daszak, over to China with some money, some USAID money, and now all of a sudden you have, well, I guess it's out there. 01:30:54.355 --> 01:30:55.636 Holy cow, it's crazy. 01:30:57.273 --> 01:30:58.073 Seems real to me. 01:31:12.788 --> 01:31:21.511 in H1N1, and the infection fatality rate, which turned out to be about 100 times less than the initial case fatality rates in the H1N1 case. 01:31:21.631 --> 01:31:30.294 So from Mark's work, you also know that Li Min Yan is tied to Sri Lankan families that are tied to the National Cancer Institute, that are tied to 01:31:31.555 --> 01:31:47.290 the real event 201 in 2018 and you know that the original SARS was actually identified or described or somehow some very scientific understanding of that phenomenon was contributed by people associated with Li Min Yan. 01:31:47.310 --> 01:31:54.937 This is all very bizarro world unless you see it as all one malevolent show that has been orchestrated over more than a decade. 01:31:55.868 --> 01:32:15.879 That's why Mary Holland and Paul Offit have been going at each other ineffectively for more than 10 years running with no progress on either side because it is the exact hamster wheel that they want us to pass down to our children. 01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:22.303 And it's the exact hamster wheel that we get out of if we stop listening to this argument 01:32:24.016 --> 01:32:27.558 So let me reiterate that for people who don't understand some of that terminology. 01:32:27.578 --> 01:32:37.444 So case fatality rate is when someone is actually tested for a disease, presents to care, and is diagnosed with the disease, and then how many people die out of that group. 01:32:38.565 --> 01:32:47.610 Infection fatality rate is, well, of all the infections that exist, including ones that we weren't able to openly diagnose, what's the rate of fatality in that group? 01:32:47.750 --> 01:32:50.852 And it was 100X different in H1N1. 01:32:52.713 --> 01:32:54.875 And so this got you interested then. 01:32:54.955 --> 01:32:56.897 So they're on a script, you see. 01:32:56.977 --> 01:32:58.659 He's not, didn't know that. 01:32:58.699 --> 01:32:59.660 He knew that already. 01:32:59.740 --> 01:33:00.701 He was already there. 01:33:00.761 --> 01:33:01.701 It's like a lead in. 01:33:01.761 --> 01:33:03.323 It's like a toss back and forth. 01:33:03.383 --> 01:33:11.170 It's like Dr. Kendra and Dr. Hooker in that Zoom meeting where Kendra's like, hey, Dr. Hooker, isn't that about B cells and T cells? 01:33:11.210 --> 01:33:13.412 What do you know about antibodies and B cells? 01:33:22.486 --> 01:33:24.489 I mean, when COVID came around, I imagine. 01:33:24.709 --> 01:33:26.551 It looked like a repeat to me, right? 01:33:26.611 --> 01:33:30.817 So it looked like the people were finding enormously high case fatality rates. 01:33:30.877 --> 01:33:32.679 I think like World Health Organization said 3.4%. 01:33:32.719 --> 01:33:39.467 There was a piece published in JAMA in February that said, you know, Journal of American Medical Association that said 2.2%. 01:33:42.267 --> 01:33:48.356 And these are, now I know we did a lot of this, so I'm just going to fast forward to a random point and see what we find. 01:33:48.436 --> 01:33:49.758 Cause I haven't watched it yet. 01:33:49.898 --> 01:33:50.960 I have to confess. 01:33:51.040 --> 01:33:52.021 I haven't watched it yet. 01:33:52.101 --> 01:33:52.241 So. 01:33:53.004 --> 01:33:53.844 I don't know what there is. 01:33:53.944 --> 01:33:59.807 I could actually miss the biggest nugget by doing this, but I also wanna be done in about 20 minutes. 01:33:59.887 --> 01:34:01.067 So just see what I get. 01:34:01.087 --> 01:34:02.428 These are terrifying numbers. 01:34:02.448 --> 01:34:10.471 These are the kind of numbers that would cause you to lock down the entire planet instantly because you're gonna lose that percentage of your population if everybody gets infected. 01:34:10.972 --> 01:34:14.413 So it's kind of like what Kevin McCarran was saying in March of 2020, right? 01:34:14.453 --> 01:34:21.436 It's just like what Kevin McCarran has been saying since March 2020, still saying in 2024 and every year, it's the worst case scenario. 01:34:25.632 --> 01:34:32.615 And all you need to do is believe that the worst case scenario is possible, and then you can justify almost anything. 01:34:33.616 --> 01:34:36.217 That's one of the key issues to understand here. 01:34:36.797 --> 01:34:50.383 The way that the national security state is set up to respond, you just have to believe the worst case scenario is possible, and then all of these preparatory activities, all of these layers of the response are justified. 01:34:51.325 --> 01:35:04.558 The very language of the PREP Act is assuming that the gain of function is real and that bioweapons can be made which can kill the entire planet like Kim Dotcom thinks are much better than nukes. 01:35:08.723 --> 01:35:09.443 okay, we're gonna go forward. 01:35:09.463 --> 01:35:10.724 Millions and millions of people dead. 01:35:10.884 --> 01:35:11.064 Right. 01:35:11.124 --> 01:35:13.365 If that number is, in the United States alone. 01:35:13.546 --> 01:35:14.386 Alone, right. 01:35:14.546 --> 01:35:15.907 If the number is right. 01:35:17.267 --> 01:35:18.548 But that was what happened to H1N1. 01:35:18.568 --> 01:35:22.290 I thought, okay, well, do we really know how many people actually have it? 01:35:22.910 --> 01:35:30.374 And now, you're on team denial because you did science that doesn't support the press narrative of X, Y, and Z. Yeah, I mean, I think, 01:35:31.895 --> 01:35:35.118 what I was taught in public health. 01:35:35.218 --> 01:35:35.999 That was a nice one. 01:35:36.059 --> 01:35:43.845 So he, XYZ, he can't even be specific enough to say what it is that he's not supposed to talk about or what it is that he contradicted. 01:35:43.905 --> 01:35:44.886 And that's on purpose. 01:35:44.966 --> 01:35:49.510 That lack of specificity makes this enchantment more effective. 01:35:49.670 --> 01:35:50.011 Why? 01:35:50.451 --> 01:35:56.176 Because it allows the listener to fill in what X, Y, and Z are and assume that they're getting it right. 01:35:57.731 --> 01:36:08.138 It's neuro-linguistic programming, ladies and gentlemen, and you can just catch it by going to a random portion of, I just went forward random and got it instantly. 01:36:08.318 --> 01:36:12.361 Because we actually give people the right information, the true information. 01:36:13.502 --> 01:36:20.487 unduly stoked panic just in order to get the result we want, which is essentially you're gonna comply with this order or that order. 01:36:21.047 --> 01:36:21.708 We don't do that. 01:36:22.668 --> 01:36:28.072 We tell people, okay, here are the risks, here are the, and people are, you know, we have to trust people to. 01:36:28.432 --> 01:36:32.315 So they're being honest about the real risks of the virus. 01:36:32.355 --> 01:36:35.357 They're being honest about the real biology of immunity. 01:36:35.397 --> 01:36:40.521 They're being honest about nothing because they're making everybody accept 01:36:41.161 --> 01:36:48.824 that there is a virus that you have to consider the danger of and that actually, like it or not, he could be wrong about. 01:36:51.706 --> 01:36:53.206 React to that appropriately. 01:36:53.486 --> 01:36:56.268 Not many times they won't, but many times they will. 01:36:56.708 --> 01:37:05.952 But on net, if you want to maintain trust in the public health community, the absolute first thing we have to do is tell them the absolute truth about what we know and what we don't know. 01:37:06.365 --> 01:37:24.183 And yesterday, for example, when Vinay Prasad made fun of people trying to mask kids at daycare centers, but not when they're in the nap, actually kind of implied that if they masked them during their naps, then it would make sense and be a consistent policy, and then he wouldn't have any problem with it. 01:37:24.623 --> 01:37:30.429 But it's the lack of consistency in the masking policy that made it questionable and lost the trust in the system. 01:37:33.762 --> 01:37:46.473 So make sure you understand how complex this web of lies is if they are scripted to make you feel like you came really close to saying something profound, but you didn't, because that's what they've been doing since day one. 01:37:47.154 --> 01:37:54.260 It's felt like they're really saying what I'm thinking, but actually they're just telling you that there is a virus that could kill millions of people. 01:37:54.400 --> 01:37:55.761 I mean, billions, perhaps. 01:37:56.201 --> 01:37:59.144 Just depends on the numbers that people calculate. 01:38:01.092 --> 01:38:05.273 So what you've nailed here, again, is something I talk with Vinay Prasad on the show about, which is authenticity. 01:38:05.353 --> 01:38:06.553 We suck at it in medicine. 01:38:06.973 --> 01:38:10.434 We prevaricate, we think we don't trust the public to do the right thing. 01:38:10.814 --> 01:38:12.774 We are paternalistic to a fault. 01:38:12.814 --> 01:38:17.015 So when Monica was on the show yesterday, she said, you know, I'm an HIV researcher, I believe in harm reduction. 01:38:17.415 --> 01:38:19.776 So Monica is also on his show a lot. 01:38:19.816 --> 01:38:26.157 She's also an Indian who purports to be some kind of infectious disease expert, and she's on all the time with this guy. 01:38:27.594 --> 01:38:37.217 How dare us preach at people, wear a mask, you dummy, you stupid person, and do you wanna kill grandmothers and this and this and this? 01:38:37.237 --> 01:38:40.519 That's not the way to communicate public health. 01:38:40.579 --> 01:38:45.960 You communicate the uncertainty, but you- He doesn't disagree with the idea or the intention. 01:38:45.980 --> 01:38:47.861 He just thinks they're the wrong words. 01:38:49.082 --> 01:38:49.842 Stop lying! 01:38:51.428 --> 01:38:54.471 to communicate what we know and her whole thing as well. 01:38:54.491 --> 01:38:58.776 If mass reduce inoculum and it's a low risk intervention, then maybe you guys should do that, right? 01:38:58.796 --> 01:38:59.537 But it's your decision. 01:39:00.117 --> 01:39:01.058 I don't wanna mandate it. 01:39:01.178 --> 01:39:11.950 And so that Monica Gandhi spent hours and hours on his podcast talking about inoculum and what that means in her lingo is that it depends on how many viruses you're exposed to. 01:39:13.100 --> 01:39:16.401 You know, Stephen Hatfield will tell you that kids carry a lot of viruses. 01:39:16.421 --> 01:39:17.442 They're really infectious. 01:39:17.462 --> 01:39:19.242 They have a very high viral load. 01:39:19.282 --> 01:39:20.723 And so they're really dangerous. 01:39:20.743 --> 01:39:23.024 You got to wear an apron when you're interacting with them. 01:39:23.724 --> 01:39:25.445 They should have a separate shitter. 01:39:27.986 --> 01:39:35.909 And so she spent a lot of time talking about how, you know, if you're like a teacher and you get a very high inoculum, then you could have a very severe case. 01:39:35.949 --> 01:39:39.470 But if you get a very low inoculum, then it could be a little bit more like a vaccine. 01:39:40.583 --> 01:39:42.464 Holy shit, these people are awful. 01:39:42.704 --> 01:39:46.447 And if we get 80% compliance according to our data, maybe that's a tipping point. 01:39:46.487 --> 01:39:48.528 But you know, again, it's a hypothesis. 01:39:49.188 --> 01:39:51.590 Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, I'd amend that a little bit. 01:39:51.630 --> 01:39:53.151 So I mean, I agree with that actually. 01:39:53.491 --> 01:39:54.351 But the only thing I'd amend. 01:39:54.411 --> 01:39:55.372 He agrees with that. 01:39:55.392 --> 01:39:56.573 He's not a biologist. 01:39:57.293 --> 01:40:01.257 He doesn't know jack shit about virology, but he's an expert on H1N1. 01:40:01.597 --> 01:40:05.601 And yeah, it's just crazy. 01:40:05.741 --> 01:40:12.328 It's absolutely crazy how awful this guy played me, how many times he just lied to me. 01:40:13.849 --> 01:40:16.552 Because in 2020, he is an expert on all this shit. 01:40:19.264 --> 01:40:22.989 And it's related to the harm you really, really are seeing. 01:40:23.590 --> 01:40:29.697 So if we really are seeing it's a 3% mortality disease, yeah, then I'm okay with more aggressive. 01:40:31.379 --> 01:40:34.323 But if on the other hand, we're really uncertain about that 3%, which we were. 01:40:36.590 --> 01:40:38.492 If we really don't know, we should tell people. 01:40:38.792 --> 01:40:40.493 Look, it's looking like 3%, but we don't know. 01:40:40.553 --> 01:40:41.134 Let's see. 01:40:41.774 --> 01:40:50.461 The fact that this man is on this podcast in 2020 talking about this bullshit makes him a traitor to our American kids. 01:40:52.062 --> 01:40:56.666 The American government has currently been infiltrated more or less by a Trojan horse. 01:40:57.206 --> 01:41:00.449 The Trojan horse is Secretary Kennedy. 01:41:02.802 --> 01:41:12.784 and everybody that he brought in, or let's say allowed to be brought in because everybody was cheering because Bobby Kennedy's HHS secretary, good thing that, oh, we win. 01:41:17.125 --> 01:41:22.666 Meanwhile, this guy, this liar is the head of NIH. 01:41:22.726 --> 01:41:28.867 And I will say liar because he played me for years pretending that he was my friend. 01:41:30.262 --> 01:41:34.783 met me at multiple barbecues, pretending he was my friend. 01:41:34.803 --> 01:41:36.463 He just happened to show up there again. 01:41:37.203 --> 01:41:38.224 Good to see you, Jay. 01:41:38.984 --> 01:41:47.585 And the last time that happened, he took three separate moments to tell me, man, you got to teach more biology and stop saying Robert Malone's name. 01:41:47.605 --> 01:41:49.566 You know, it's just not, it's not really helpful. 01:41:49.606 --> 01:41:50.526 It's not constructive. 01:41:50.946 --> 01:41:55.867 And I could soon be the head of NIH and I could really help your family once I get there. 01:41:56.846 --> 01:41:58.967 just got to stop mentioning Robert Malone. 01:41:59.027 --> 01:42:10.369 Now for me to make that story up would be pretty diabolical and pretty malevolent and pretty off sort of the last five years of just trying to tell the truth and see what happens. 01:42:12.770 --> 01:42:13.690 And so there you have it. 01:42:14.931 --> 01:42:15.931 This guy admitted 01:42:16.946 --> 01:42:20.067 without actually saying it, that Robert Malone is behind this. 01:42:20.267 --> 01:42:21.668 Robert Malone is behind him. 01:42:21.788 --> 01:42:44.217 Robert Malone is behind the hijacking of, and probably the sabotaging of the FDA, effectively to allow the back rollout of PCR diagnostics, the generation of all these remnant streams, and more importantly, the introduction of all these new technologies that are better than the first generation, that he actually joked about with, 01:42:47.830 --> 01:42:54.078 The previous generation of mRNA vaccines, he's joking about it because he always knew that's where this was going. 01:42:54.179 --> 01:43:02.490 Just the same way he always knew that using an AAV, an adenovirus, an ADV to transfect people was gonna be bad. 01:43:03.703 --> 01:43:05.605 but it would be a great story to tell everybody. 01:43:05.625 --> 01:43:08.087 We'll pull that off the market and make us look like champions. 01:43:08.127 --> 01:43:11.910 And then later on, five years later, we can tell them that, well, we rushed it. 01:43:12.030 --> 01:43:15.834 And so there was endotoxin and DNA in the shots. 01:43:15.894 --> 01:43:19.057 So they weren't perfect, but the next round will be even better. 01:43:20.199 --> 01:43:22.920 Or maybe we'll put it in a different place using electroporation. 01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:31.882 This guy is a puppet of a intelligence operation that basically put Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:43:31.902 --> 01:43:38.783 at the head of HHS so he could do whatever the F they wanted to with the organizations in HHS. 01:43:40.204 --> 01:43:45.445 That's why Marty Makary is so good on camera and so good at being on Face the Nation. 01:43:46.772 --> 01:43:48.354 and why Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:43:48.394 --> 01:43:51.898 is not on Face the Nation and PBS NewsHour, but just clips of him are. 01:43:53.579 --> 01:43:56.683 It's very bad, ladies and gentlemen, but we can wake up as a country. 01:43:56.743 --> 01:43:57.624 We can wake up. 01:43:58.463 --> 01:44:00.725 Here's what we're doing to try to figure it out, right? 01:44:00.785 --> 01:44:15.195 We should just be honest about what we don't know I think that's to me has been the most shocking thing that we've done that the public health people and doctors have dawned this mantle of Absolute knowledge in an in a place where I've read a lot of this literature We there's a lot we don't a lot. 01:44:15.275 --> 01:44:17.917 I don't know even though I've been reading the literature scientifically, right? 01:44:17.937 --> 01:44:20.019 So we just don't know we should say that and 01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:22.620 Why is it bad to say that when we just don't know? 01:44:22.980 --> 01:44:30.283 You know, and what it does, there's a side effect of that, that we're seeing now, which is when doctors and public health officials say, don't wear a mask. 01:44:31.864 --> 01:44:35.345 And then in the next breath, wear a mask of any kind. 01:44:35.445 --> 01:44:38.386 I don't care if it's just lace panties over your face, wear that. 01:44:39.227 --> 01:44:40.787 We look like idiots. 01:44:40.947 --> 01:44:49.071 And on top of that, the public then, which isn't as dumb as they're portrayed by the intellectual elite, goes, now, wait a minute. 01:44:49.791 --> 01:44:50.251 And they should. 01:44:50.332 --> 01:44:51.152 And they should. 01:44:51.172 --> 01:44:55.055 And then what happens is, and you see it in the comments to my own videos, right? 01:44:55.095 --> 01:44:59.097 If I do a video kind of leaning in one direction, a billion people comment the other direction. 01:44:59.137 --> 01:45:01.839 If I lean in that other direction, a billion people comment. 01:45:02.119 --> 01:45:04.561 The public just is trying to find truth. 01:45:04.781 --> 01:45:09.904 And just like Joe Rogan's guest a few weeks ago revealed, they can do experiments with it, right? 01:45:09.944 --> 01:45:20.330 They can see what happens if they change a few words in a post and show those posts to half the people and change the words to different words and show those posts to the other half of the people. 01:45:20.810 --> 01:45:24.972 And I hate to break it to you, ladies and gentlemen, but they did these experiments already years ago. 01:45:25.032 --> 01:45:26.253 They already know how to do it. 01:45:27.421 --> 01:45:29.502 They knew how to do that before the pandemic. 01:45:29.762 --> 01:45:32.683 That's the reason why the pandemic was successful. 01:45:33.243 --> 01:45:37.004 Because when we went to resist it, we fractured. 01:45:38.344 --> 01:45:39.645 And then we fractured again. 01:45:40.425 --> 01:45:53.949 And then we rolled in our own little hamster wheels about natural immunity, or lab leak, or amyloidosis, or the VAERS data, or cardiac problems, or whatever the hamster wheel was that we got caught in. 01:45:54.169 --> 01:45:56.150 And those hamster wheels were only possible 01:45:57.130 --> 01:46:02.653 because they already knew and had already weaponized social media against us. 01:46:03.254 --> 01:46:11.939 The actual buyout of Twitter was also just an orchestrated stunt to get more people to accept Twitter as the freest version of social media. 01:46:22.888 --> 01:46:23.388 And it's tough. 01:46:23.428 --> 01:46:24.789 I mean, you know, that's okay. 01:46:24.949 --> 01:46:26.310 Like we're having a conversation. 01:46:26.851 --> 01:46:27.892 There's stuff I'm learning from you. 01:46:28.192 --> 01:46:29.513 I hope there's some stuff you're learning from me. 01:46:29.613 --> 01:46:32.235 And we basically, that's what science is. 01:46:32.555 --> 01:46:36.339 It's a conversation that leads to more data, that leads to more conversation. 01:46:36.819 --> 01:46:37.399 That's what it is. 01:46:37.620 --> 01:46:44.325 So what you just said is absolutely reasonable and rational and Buzzfeed attacks your family. 01:46:44.785 --> 01:46:45.886 Yeah, so I mean, 01:46:47.148 --> 01:46:48.190 That was tough, I have to say. 01:46:48.250 --> 01:46:49.473 I mean, that was probably the hardest part. 01:46:49.513 --> 01:46:50.194 That was tough. 01:46:50.274 --> 01:46:51.417 They attacked his family. 01:46:51.457 --> 01:46:54.362 I guess they told a story about his wife or something like that. 01:46:54.402 --> 01:46:55.504 And so that was pretty tough. 01:46:56.581 --> 01:47:01.784 You know, didn't lose his faculty position, didn't lose his job, got the head of the NIH. 01:47:01.824 --> 01:47:03.585 You know, it's pretty tough being him. 01:47:03.945 --> 01:47:09.208 It's pretty hard to be Jay Bhattacharya, lots of racism in America. 01:47:10.769 --> 01:47:14.291 The whole work on this was just feeling like I dragged my family into something. 01:47:14.531 --> 01:47:16.432 If there's one thing to go after me, it's another thing. 01:47:16.792 --> 01:47:19.234 Ten minutes ago, he said it was an exciting time. 01:47:21.738 --> 01:47:24.062 He likes these cloak and dagger games, I guess. 01:47:24.082 --> 01:47:28.410 He likes being an intelligence agent and finally getting called on stage. 01:47:28.470 --> 01:47:30.914 Man, I've been waiting for this for 20 years. 01:47:31.535 --> 01:47:33.459 But in any case, let's leave me aside. 01:47:35.499 --> 01:47:39.243 So we put this paper out. 01:47:40.283 --> 01:47:43.306 Let me see if I can try to get us back on narrative. 01:47:43.686 --> 01:47:45.428 I got to remember what Robert told me. 01:47:45.708 --> 01:47:53.235 Find this number, 0.2 to 0.3, and then a whole series of studies start coming out from around the world to find the same number. 01:47:55.407 --> 01:48:01.532 Many of them published, you know, it's the... So the signal couldn't always have been there. 01:48:01.632 --> 01:48:03.974 It's just a new signal that's everywhere on earth. 01:48:04.014 --> 01:48:06.476 Do you see how much of a liar this guy is? 01:48:06.536 --> 01:48:21.609 Because after six years of being my friend or five years of being my friend, where I tried desperately to explain to him that even his own data doesn't tell him anything because he didn't invent the fricking test or define the test that he used, he just bought something. 01:48:23.248 --> 01:48:24.350 ordered it from China. 01:48:29.437 --> 01:48:33.583 And if these things were all confirmed all around the world, they don't tell you anything. 01:48:33.623 --> 01:48:35.966 If you don't have any data before 2020, you lying traitor. 01:48:39.147 --> 01:48:45.471 It doesn't take anybody with that many degrees from Stanford very long to understand what I'm trying to say there. 01:48:45.891 --> 01:48:51.014 And yet it seems to have taken at least three barbecues and three years for him to still not understand it. 01:48:51.374 --> 01:48:53.535 But he's really sharp in this video. 01:48:54.456 --> 01:48:58.318 September, 2020, he's an expert on all things virology. 01:48:59.909 --> 01:49:02.171 peer-reviewed literature, I think, now has established it. 01:49:02.592 --> 01:49:03.933 So let me ask a question, though. 01:49:04.373 --> 01:49:04.734 So what? 01:49:05.154 --> 01:49:08.437 Two to three times a flu is still catastrophic, man. 01:49:08.978 --> 01:49:11.160 Well, how do you respond to that? 01:49:11.780 --> 01:49:12.141 No, it is. 01:49:12.161 --> 01:49:14.503 And there's also, I'd amend that, there's also no vaccine. 01:49:14.743 --> 01:49:16.605 Right, no vaccine and we didn't have treatment. 01:49:16.645 --> 01:49:17.786 Yeah, absolutely. 01:49:17.806 --> 01:49:19.888 It is worse than the flu for those reasons. 01:49:19.908 --> 01:49:20.268 Thank you. 01:49:20.809 --> 01:49:22.390 Because I think that the denial of 01:49:23.294 --> 01:49:27.856 I think a lot of people perceive a denial, this comparison with flu is very charged. 01:49:27.976 --> 01:49:29.556 And the truth is, yeah. 01:49:29.716 --> 01:49:30.497 It's worse than the flu. 01:49:30.517 --> 01:49:41.161 And I think- I started to suspect Robert Malone pretty early, but he never really confirmed anything until the change in the scheduling of my Defender podcast. 01:49:41.221 --> 01:49:49.004 So my Defender podcast, which was in the end of 2022 or October of 2020, I don't remember exactly the date off the top of my head, but it was 2022. 01:49:50.024 --> 01:49:52.405 That Defender podcast was originally 01:49:54.193 --> 01:49:55.374 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:49:55.534 --> 01:50:00.859 called me and asked me if I would record a podcast with him and scheduled it for the following week. 01:50:01.019 --> 01:50:02.560 And it was going to be an hour. 01:50:04.042 --> 01:50:04.802 That's what he told me. 01:50:04.842 --> 01:50:06.504 We usually record for an hour. 01:50:07.524 --> 01:50:09.126 So you can have as much time as you want. 01:50:10.501 --> 01:50:25.811 And then only a couple of days before the scheduled recording date, his nephew, who's the producer of the show, called me to say that you're only going to have seven minutes, and we're going to have at least two people, Robert Malone and Meryl Nass, respond to your presentation. 01:50:26.831 --> 01:50:32.095 And then they added even two more, with Tess Laurie and Jessica Rose. 01:50:32.695 --> 01:50:38.339 And I got seven minutes, and I was just, I'm still shocked. 01:50:39.292 --> 01:50:58.025 I felt so discombobulated and so confused for those three days before the podcast occurred as I tried to distill down the number of slides I had that Robert Malone was making fun that at some point I started with 130 slides and he asked if that was a joke. 01:50:59.006 --> 01:50:59.966 I have those emails. 01:51:01.207 --> 01:51:03.189 This is all real time 01:51:04.255 --> 01:51:09.498 awakening to these people's meddling and their lying and their two-faced behavior. 01:51:10.759 --> 01:51:12.060 I didn't want to know. 01:51:12.080 --> 01:51:13.941 I thought they were good people. 01:51:15.542 --> 01:51:19.905 I thought I was joining a team of patriots. 01:51:23.095 --> 01:51:29.442 for older people, it is absolutely, we should treat it like it's much worse than the flu because it is worse than the flu. 01:51:30.102 --> 01:51:32.705 So for instance, nursing homes, right? 01:51:32.745 --> 01:51:38.231 So I just looked at a paper that said that nursing homes often share staff workers. 01:51:38.832 --> 01:51:39.512 So like one, 01:51:40.479 --> 01:51:42.320 often share staff workers. 01:51:42.380 --> 01:51:50.345 So now we're talking about whether or not the staff workers at old folks homes are responsible for transmission of the virus between homes. 01:51:50.765 --> 01:51:54.407 It has nothing to do with clearing the ICU using dexamethasone. 01:51:55.646 --> 01:51:57.006 Nah, nothing to do with that. 01:51:57.367 --> 01:52:09.530 Staff worker works in nursing home A also works in nursing home B. We should be using our testing resources to make sure that when shared staff workers move back and forth, they don't bring the virus back and forth with them across these. 01:52:09.570 --> 01:52:13.791 So we should be testing staff workers to make sure that they're safe to move around. 01:52:13.851 --> 01:52:16.952 That means that we should also be testing people on Hollywood sets. 01:52:17.412 --> 01:52:22.934 That means that mandating the vaccine when it comes out won't be crazy. 01:52:25.768 --> 01:52:38.679 And so if he calls for a vaccine or makes a story about how we don't have a vaccine yet, so some of these measures are necessary, you will see him for the naked traitor that he is. 01:52:39.957 --> 01:52:40.477 nursing homes. 01:52:40.497 --> 01:52:48.701 That seems like a completely reasonable outcome of the fact that older people are much more vulnerable, especially people with comorbid conditions. 01:52:49.061 --> 01:52:51.842 And you've been a big advocate of protecting vulnerable groups. 01:52:51.862 --> 01:52:58.906 Yeah, that's the whole point of this is to learn who really should we be using our relatively limited resources to protect. 01:52:59.646 --> 01:53:04.008 And when we raise alarm, who should we be doing it for? 01:53:05.424 --> 01:53:06.805 their cost of raising alarm, right? 01:53:06.825 --> 01:53:10.847 So like if I panic you, you may take actions. 01:53:11.047 --> 01:53:13.609 That's the whole point of the raising the panic and the alarm. 01:53:13.969 --> 01:53:20.973 But those actions will have very little effect or much less effect on the spread than the cost that you pay and society pays for those actions. 01:53:21.333 --> 01:53:23.334 The spread is real. 01:53:23.975 --> 01:53:25.716 Don't make any mistakes here. 01:53:25.756 --> 01:53:27.717 The spread is very real to Jay. 01:53:28.737 --> 01:53:35.361 And the problem with those costs are they're often intangibles, like the- And the murder in New York City stopped, right? 01:53:35.381 --> 01:53:46.568 There was five weeks of either mass death, like a bomb went off, or it was just mass murder, or death certificate fraud, or something like that, a combination of things. 01:53:46.748 --> 01:53:48.709 That's already long over in September of 2020. 01:53:50.254 --> 01:53:53.696 I have had fans who've become fans of my show since we started. 01:53:53.736 --> 01:54:01.219 In September, 2020, we're bringing the college kids back and we're debating whether or not that's good or whether we're gonna kill half a million people. 01:54:01.959 --> 01:54:16.566 Richard Ebright is arguing in November of 2020 that if we opened all of these schools without the testing and stuff, we're gonna kill a quarter million Americans by Christmas. 01:54:17.950 --> 01:54:20.711 That's what the context is of this conversation. 01:54:38.325 --> 01:54:44.507 the medical establishment was complicit with because they are seeing it on the front lines in a very biased way. 01:54:44.807 --> 01:54:48.828 Oh my God, my ICU is full of people who are dying, including some young people. 01:54:49.428 --> 01:54:54.649 And therefore anything we can do to get the public to behave is gonna be important, right? 01:54:54.690 --> 01:54:56.210 And then what ends up happening is these... 01:54:56.770 --> 01:55:01.034 poor individuals who have a tendency to anxiety are losing their minds. 01:55:01.234 --> 01:55:08.301 So they tell me, I watch your show because you seem rational and you have opposing viewpoints and you're not just saying we're all gonna die. 01:55:08.321 --> 01:55:12.405 And I think, why should I be the one who's doing that? 01:55:12.425 --> 01:55:13.526 Well, you have a good audience. 01:55:13.546 --> 01:55:15.387 Yeah, but that ought to be the general. 01:55:16.028 --> 01:55:17.469 You have a good audience. 01:55:18.190 --> 01:55:19.111 You could be useful. 01:55:20.641 --> 01:55:27.948 I don't really understand it, but it seems like people want, especially the press, seems to want to create this panic. 01:55:29.522 --> 01:55:39.849 So every time there's a study that comes out that a child has died, which has happened, absolutely, for this disease, you're gonna get this panicked headline from the press. 01:55:40.610 --> 01:55:48.936 Now, one of the things I've learned from the seroprevalence studies, again, from around the world now, not just mine, is that there's a very wide range of clinical presentations from this disease. 01:55:49.536 --> 01:55:51.278 It ranges from somewhere between 30. 01:55:51.778 --> 01:55:55.703 A very wide clinical presentation of this disease. 01:55:55.763 --> 01:55:58.386 It sounds a little bit like autism spectrum disorder. 01:55:58.427 --> 01:56:00.529 You know, it's a wide clinical presentation. 01:56:00.569 --> 01:56:07.918 You can have people that can have YouTube channels, or you can have people with 12 times a day projectile diarrhea that bang their head into the wall. 01:56:08.719 --> 01:56:11.021 I mean, it's a wide spectrum of stuff. 01:56:11.421 --> 01:56:13.583 And with COVID, it can be anything. 01:56:13.643 --> 01:56:17.506 I mean, really, you know, I mean, urinary tract infection could be viral. 01:56:17.546 --> 01:56:19.207 You better not give antibiotics for that. 01:56:19.487 --> 01:56:23.150 It could also be multi-system inflammatory sepsis shit. 01:56:23.630 --> 01:56:25.071 Like, it can be a lot of stuff. 01:56:25.171 --> 01:56:29.575 And, you know, I'm just an economist and whatever, but I'm an expert in all of this stuff. 01:56:29.615 --> 01:56:33.838 Cause I did three seroprevalence studies and used to work for the major league baseball owners. 01:56:35.118 --> 01:56:38.059 80 to 40% of the people that get it have no symptoms whatsoever. 01:56:38.239 --> 01:56:42.141 They can't remember, they have the antibodies, but they have no symptoms that they can remember from it. 01:56:45.042 --> 01:56:48.003 Even, you know, maybe even a larger part have relatively mild symptoms. 01:56:48.043 --> 01:56:48.663 It's like a cold. 01:56:50.183 --> 01:56:55.105 And a small fraction have this horrible viral pneumonia that kills them, right? 01:56:56.125 --> 01:57:00.867 We focus all our- This horrible viral pneumonia, which is a horrible lie. 01:57:03.308 --> 01:57:04.969 There is no viral pneumonia. 01:57:05.089 --> 01:57:05.729 It's a lie. 01:57:06.429 --> 01:57:07.130 Understand that. 01:57:07.210 --> 01:57:08.670 Viral pneumonia is a myth. 01:57:10.731 --> 01:57:16.493 Our attention on the viral pneumonia and none on the fact that 998 people are gonna recover from it. 01:57:16.953 --> 01:57:20.015 Yeah, that's a feel good hit of the summer right there. 01:57:20.055 --> 01:57:24.996 Like that's a positive story and they're gonna develop immunity and this whole panic about, well, no, we're never immune. 01:57:25.257 --> 01:57:26.177 That's another press thing. 01:57:26.517 --> 01:57:28.639 Yeah, that's insane. 01:57:28.679 --> 01:57:29.920 No other virus does that, right? 01:57:30.040 --> 01:57:30.500 Exactly. 01:57:30.900 --> 01:57:41.068 And the related piece to that, like you said, one story about a child, M-I-S-E-A, HIV, I guess strep throat, you also can't have a vaccine. 01:57:41.308 --> 01:57:42.489 Oh yeah, HIV. 01:57:42.549 --> 01:57:50.355 The other thing that he's an expert in and did a lot of epidemiology for, like a lot of other Indians that we know that were in this, like Murthy, 01:57:51.624 --> 01:57:57.014 Vivek Murthy and like, you know, Rochelle Walensky, both trained in HIV, both Indians. 01:57:57.115 --> 01:58:00.522 They were pretty prominent role at this time too, weren't they? 01:58:04.065 --> 01:58:09.828 Holy shit, if you don't see it now, we got a big problem on our hands, and I'm a racist, crazy person. 01:58:10.209 --> 01:58:14.211 Actually, it's a legitimate scientific question, but it's the one we now have an answer to. 01:58:14.351 --> 01:58:14.591 Right. 01:58:14.691 --> 01:58:16.652 You do develop immunity to this virus. 01:58:17.393 --> 01:58:25.698 And the thing is, because we have now millions of cases, and we can- You do develop immunity, the exact same myth about the novel virus that 01:58:27.119 --> 01:58:37.509 Mike Eden was making the argument of, wait until you watch my stream with Mike Eden and Paul Alexander again, because Mike Eden is squirming. 01:58:38.150 --> 01:58:39.711 He is struggling. 01:58:40.132 --> 01:58:50.662 He is looking at a script to his left and trying to figure out how in the hell do I use this shitty script to respond to this guy because it ain't working. 01:58:52.321 --> 01:59:19.711 Tomorrow I will show you a video of me talking to Mike Eden and him looking like a traitor Today I'm showing you a video of Jay Bhattacharya that is Not very good for his track record and not very good for him as my friend He's looking really 01:59:20.729 --> 01:59:32.573 like a liar, like a traitor, and part of a very elaborate Trojan horse operation, probably scripted by Robert Malone and Kevin McKernan, using Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:59:32.633 --> 01:59:34.873 as the ultimate Truman Show Trojan horse. 01:59:36.394 --> 01:59:40.755 Look, and there's been like, I think, two documented cases of actual reinfection. 01:59:41.095 --> 01:59:42.535 One was like, it was totally mild. 01:59:42.576 --> 01:59:43.756 The other was more severe. 01:59:43.776 --> 01:59:46.237 And so you could think in a population there's variants, right? 01:59:46.417 --> 01:59:47.117 Don't forget, 01:59:48.035 --> 01:59:52.918 The UK never controlled China with the opioids, but they definitely ruled India. 01:59:54.319 --> 01:59:57.901 They definitely ruled China, or sorry, Canada, excuse me. 01:59:58.221 --> 02:00:02.004 They definitely ruled Australia and New Zealand. 02:00:02.064 --> 02:00:03.765 In fact, they're still on their money. 02:00:06.380 --> 02:00:16.732 And so it does feel more and more to me like protectorates of former colonies of the British crown have been used to undermine the American experiment. 02:00:17.172 --> 02:00:25.742 And that traitors, American traitors, seem to be cooperating with Indians or people associated with these other Five Eyes crowny countries. 02:00:26.690 --> 02:00:27.852 I don't have an explanation. 02:00:27.932 --> 02:00:29.135 I just know it's a crime. 02:00:29.635 --> 02:00:31.739 I know it's a multinational operation. 02:00:31.779 --> 02:00:36.828 And I know a lot of the people on the screen that I use are definitely involved. 02:00:36.868 --> 02:00:39.734 And that's why I've had them on the screen for this many years. 02:00:43.091 --> 02:00:44.632 But still... Well, two out of millions, right? 02:00:44.872 --> 02:00:49.275 And as you said, the first case that was a reinfection, it looked like the guy was protected. 02:00:49.355 --> 02:00:52.457 Mild, yeah, which is what you would expect, even with a cold. 02:00:52.757 --> 02:00:57.240 Like you get a cold one year, you may get it again the next year, but it's gonna be minor, mild. 02:00:57.260 --> 02:01:05.145 Yeah, if it's the same virus, even if the antibodies fade, you may have T-cells or other mechanisms of immunity that make it... 02:01:05.265 --> 02:01:05.865 T-cells. 02:01:05.905 --> 02:01:06.685 Yeah, that's right. 02:01:06.746 --> 02:01:08.806 I wonder who, oh yeah, that's right. 02:01:08.846 --> 02:01:10.607 Ryan Cole also said T-cells. 02:01:10.667 --> 02:01:12.507 And also, yeah, T-cells. 02:01:12.528 --> 02:01:13.228 Yep, that's good. 02:01:13.268 --> 02:01:17.949 That'll get them running for another year or two while they learn the subtle immunology of that. 02:01:18.189 --> 02:01:28.093 Or if they don't learn the subtle immunology of that and they just take our word for it, they'll just say T-cells every once in a while and it'll be good enough, which is exactly what most or all of them did. 02:01:29.353 --> 02:01:31.134 Because if you take the time to learn 02:01:32.037 --> 02:01:43.143 what T-cells actually are, how complicated they are, he'll start to appreciate the immune system as much more than whatever they're talking about, which is an antibody production line, I guess. 02:01:45.224 --> 02:01:45.805 Much more. 02:01:46.565 --> 02:01:49.627 So it's not that you won't get sick, but you'll get sick much less. 02:01:49.827 --> 02:01:50.267 Right. 02:01:50.287 --> 02:01:53.089 It won't create a severe illness. 02:01:53.249 --> 02:01:56.270 Paul Alexander's not Jamaican, and he's Canadian. 02:01:56.290 --> 02:01:56.891 Sorry. 02:01:58.148 --> 02:02:04.302 Now one thing that's gonna come up, and this comes up a lot, again, in the catastrophization camp, but what about the long haulers? 02:02:04.322 --> 02:02:06.286 He is from an island, but it ain't Jamaica. 02:02:06.366 --> 02:02:07.549 I can't remember which one it is. 02:02:08.012 --> 02:02:13.196 the terrible damage to the lungs and the cardiac damage and the brain damage and all the other things. 02:02:13.777 --> 02:02:15.558 You know, those happen with influenza. 02:02:15.718 --> 02:02:16.459 Exactly right. 02:02:16.479 --> 02:02:21.102 So my son, my young son, 13 year old now, a couple of years ago got the flu. 02:02:21.223 --> 02:02:24.745 Now he'd had the flu vaccine and he still got the flu, right? 02:02:24.805 --> 02:02:25.386 Which happens. 02:02:25.466 --> 02:02:26.006 Yeah, it happens. 02:02:26.166 --> 02:02:27.628 I mean, and it was fine. 02:02:27.648 --> 02:02:30.790 Like it was a little worse than I thought you normally would get. 02:02:31.090 --> 02:02:34.413 And he was getting better and he woke up one morning and he couldn't walk. 02:02:34.713 --> 02:02:35.274 Oh my gosh. 02:02:36.694 --> 02:02:42.155 I was going through all the panic things that if you, when you go through medical school, you always have. 02:02:42.175 --> 02:02:43.436 You're like Guillain-Barré. 02:02:43.476 --> 02:02:44.256 That's exactly right. 02:02:44.536 --> 02:02:45.236 Oh, there we go. 02:02:45.276 --> 02:02:47.857 Now we're going to make up a story about vaccine injury. 02:02:47.897 --> 02:02:49.657 They all worked out. 02:02:49.717 --> 02:02:54.818 My son woke up after a flu vaccine, couldn't even walk, but it was just normal and it went away. 02:02:55.298 --> 02:02:57.319 And I'm like, oh God. 02:02:57.899 --> 02:03:00.579 So it turned out it was a benign myositis. 02:03:01.659 --> 02:03:02.160 Thank God. 02:03:02.460 --> 02:03:03.840 And within a week he was walking again. 02:03:04.600 --> 02:03:06.761 Flu has all kinds of strange side effects. 02:03:07.001 --> 02:03:09.682 It has neurologic side effects, it can have cardiac side effects. 02:03:10.682 --> 02:03:12.863 We put these in context, right? 02:03:12.903 --> 02:03:24.647 These are things that happen, absolutely can happen, but we have a lot of information about how frequent they are, are they likely, how long-lasting they are, if it was Guillain-Barre it would have been terrible. 02:03:24.927 --> 02:03:26.868 Funny that flu can do all that shit, huh? 02:03:27.008 --> 02:03:27.248 Funny. 02:03:28.088 --> 02:03:30.229 benign myositis at last week and he's okay. 02:03:30.789 --> 02:03:37.311 So that's funny because my daughter had a viral syndrome when she was three and couldn't walk and again benign myositis. 02:03:37.451 --> 02:03:40.031 Holy shit, that's got to be a lie. 02:03:40.091 --> 02:03:41.292 That's ridiculous. 02:03:41.612 --> 02:03:42.692 Oh my gosh. 02:03:42.752 --> 02:03:45.373 Have you ever heard of benign myositis before? 02:03:46.053 --> 02:03:48.214 What a bunch of bullshit. 02:03:48.814 --> 02:03:49.234 Wow. 02:03:51.112 --> 02:03:52.392 But again, you go through the panic. 02:03:52.412 --> 02:03:57.135 So the point being, these things happen with viral infection. 02:03:57.435 --> 02:04:00.978 This is a new viral infection that we don't have a vaccine for. 02:04:01.158 --> 02:04:06.201 The point being that these things happen with a viral infection. 02:04:06.941 --> 02:04:08.002 Holy shit. 02:04:08.795 --> 02:04:20.503 or that is novel to the degree that it's novel, although we seem to have some innate immunity from cross-reactivity to coronavirus, and yet we are spinning it as if the world is ending. 02:04:20.603 --> 02:04:26.468 And the thing is, that would be fine if we thought it was actually gonna cause less harm to spin it that way than not. 02:04:26.568 --> 02:04:27.929 I can't, I can't. 02:04:28.029 --> 02:04:28.889 I know that you could. 02:04:28.949 --> 02:04:30.210 If you wanna, you can go see it. 02:04:30.270 --> 02:04:31.311 It's bad biology. 02:04:31.571 --> 02:04:33.373 It is, these people are traitors. 02:04:34.253 --> 02:04:36.274 And we need to start teaching our kids the way out. 02:04:37.474 --> 02:04:42.015 This has been Gigo and Biological, a high resistance, low noise information brief brought to you by a biologist. 02:04:42.095 --> 02:04:43.316 I'm actually gonna end it right here. 02:04:43.376 --> 02:04:46.236 I should be playing music and stuff, but I need to get lunch in me quick. 02:04:47.017 --> 02:04:48.697 And I need to get to the gym with my kids. 02:04:49.877 --> 02:04:51.038 I might do a stream later. 02:04:51.098 --> 02:04:52.658 I'll definitely do a stream tomorrow. 02:04:52.758 --> 02:04:56.539 Mark seems to be on a multi home run per day streak. 02:04:56.639 --> 02:05:00.440 So I guess if I don't make anything later this afternoon, I'm sure Mark will. 02:05:00.480 --> 02:05:01.681 Thank you very much for joining me. 02:05:01.741 --> 02:05:02.721 I'm just gonna fade out. 02:05:03.281 --> 02:05:04.102 I love you very much. 02:05:04.142 --> 02:05:16.970 If you want to support this work, if you like what I'm doing, please go to GigaOMBiological.com and find a way to support my family and this absolutely fundamental work to American history and to Americans' future. 02:05:17.711 --> 02:05:18.531 I love you very much. 02:05:18.631 --> 02:05:19.592 Thank you for your support. 02:05:19.672 --> 02:05:20.653 I'll see you again tomorrow.