WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:02.000 Two years and three years, we've had one debate. 00:02.000 --> 00:03.680 You know, it's amazing if it made you break three years, 00:03.680 --> 00:05.400 but you finally got it. 00:05.400 --> 00:07.720 And this is the guy who did it, we're gonna be talking to it. 00:07.720 --> 00:09.800 Well, on that note, why don't we bring him into the media? 00:09.800 --> 00:11.320 All right, welcome to me. 00:11.320 --> 00:13.280 Thank you for coming on PSR5. 00:13.280 --> 00:14.760 Hey, it's a pleasure to be here. 00:14.760 --> 00:15.920 Yep, thanks for the invitation. 00:15.920 --> 00:17.320 I look forward to this conversation. 00:17.320 --> 00:19.240 I want to, before I read your bio, I also want to remind everyone 00:19.240 --> 00:20.760 we will be having a Q&A. 00:20.760 --> 00:23.160 So, put your questions in the chat, all caps, 00:23.160 --> 00:25.320 question, and address it to Denise or to Steve. 00:25.320 --> 00:27.400 And when I am doing the Q&A on the back, 00:27.400 --> 00:28.320 I'll try to get your question. 00:28.320 --> 00:30.040 And if you put a little super chat in there, 00:30.040 --> 00:32.600 we'll try to move you up to the top of the question list. 00:32.600 --> 00:34.760 But first, I'd like to read a little bit 00:34.760 --> 00:35.760 about our special guest tonight. 00:35.760 --> 00:38.400 Denise is a physicist and interdisciplinary scientist. 00:38.400 --> 00:39.960 He holds a master of science degree in physics 00:39.960 --> 00:42.320 and a PhD in physics from the University of Toronto. 00:42.320 --> 00:44.720 He was a natural sciences and engineering research council 00:44.720 --> 00:46.880 of Canada International Postdoctoral candidate 00:46.880 --> 00:48.680 in national scientific laboratories in France 00:48.680 --> 00:49.640 and in the Netherlands. 00:49.640 --> 00:52.440 He then became a National NSERC University Research Fellow 00:52.440 --> 00:54.440 in Canada and the lead researcher and professor 00:54.440 --> 00:56.360 at the University of Ottawa for 23 years, 00:56.360 --> 00:58.000 where he attained the highest academic rank 00:58.000 --> 00:59.320 of tenured full professor. 00:59.320 --> 01:00.720 He is an interdisciplinary research scientist 01:00.720 --> 01:02.440 and has published over 100 articles 01:02.440 --> 01:03.560 and peer-reviewed science journals 01:03.560 --> 01:04.720 in many different areas of science. 01:04.720 --> 01:06.600 He is presently co-director and researcher 01:06.600 --> 01:08.120 at the non-profit Correlation Research 01:08.120 --> 01:09.320 in the public interest. 01:09.320 --> 01:12.160 And we are grateful to have you here tonight with us. 01:12.160 --> 01:13.600 And Steve, you mentioned that debate. 01:13.600 --> 01:16.600 So, and I watched it, and I want to play a little clip 01:16.600 --> 01:17.800 from towards the back end of it 01:17.800 --> 01:18.800 before I let you guys get started. 01:18.800 --> 01:20.960 Awesome, awesome, great. 01:20.960 --> 01:23.240 It's glaringly obvious in India, for example, 01:23.240 --> 01:24.560 that there was no excess mortality 01:24.560 --> 01:25.400 until the vaccines were rolled out 01:25.400 --> 01:26.560 and then there was massive excess mortality. 01:27.440 --> 01:28.440 We need to try to go on. 01:28.440 --> 01:30.400 No, no, no, no, no, okay, you just mentioned India, though, 01:30.400 --> 01:32.000 but then Tracy was mentioning all the other countries 01:32.000 --> 01:34.400 where excess mortality rose before or not in line 01:34.400 --> 01:35.240 the vaccine rose. 01:35.240 --> 01:36.720 And we've been addressing it in detail. 01:36.720 --> 01:38.840 More than half of the 17 countries in the Southern Hemisphere 01:38.840 --> 01:41.120 that we have good data for do not have excess mortality 01:41.120 --> 01:42.360 until you roll out the vaccines. 01:42.360 --> 01:43.200 More than half. 01:43.200 --> 01:45.320 The ones that do, it's the peaks that I've been showing you, 01:45.320 --> 01:47.040 these incredible assaults against people and so on, 01:47.040 --> 01:48.080 and we discuss it in detail. 01:48.080 --> 01:49.360 And don't forget that in the paper, 01:49.360 --> 01:53.040 there's an entire chapter on alternative interpretations 01:53.040 --> 01:54.560 that others would put forward without proof, 01:54.560 --> 01:56.120 and we address each one of them. 01:56.120 --> 01:57.080 It's all in that paper. 01:57.080 --> 02:01.360 So it's not like we've been just barring from our minds 02:01.360 --> 02:02.800 that other things could be killing. 02:02.800 --> 02:04.760 For example, some people have been critical of our work 02:04.760 --> 02:07.000 by saying, but these people that you're injecting 02:07.000 --> 02:07.840 have comorbidities. 02:07.840 --> 02:09.200 Of course they have comorbidities. 02:09.200 --> 02:10.040 You're in the real world. 02:10.040 --> 02:12.360 The point is they died the same day that you injected them 02:12.360 --> 02:14.000 and or they died soon after, 02:14.000 --> 02:15.320 or a bunch of them died soon after. 02:15.320 --> 02:18.320 The point is there was a vaccine rollout, okay? 02:18.320 --> 02:20.600 And people with comorbidities can be killed 02:20.600 --> 02:22.040 by these injections. 02:22.040 --> 02:22.880 That's the point. 02:22.880 --> 02:25.240 We're not trying to say it's pure toxicity problem 02:25.280 --> 02:26.360 of a healthy young athlete. 02:26.360 --> 02:27.800 No, we're saying in the general population, 02:27.800 --> 02:29.240 in real hospitals, in real countries, 02:29.240 --> 02:31.080 with all the propaganda and all the governments pushing 02:31.080 --> 02:32.840 to inject everybody, and that this is the thing 02:32.840 --> 02:34.480 you have to do, and this is why you'll be promoted, 02:34.480 --> 02:37.000 that there's a real danger that many, 02:37.000 --> 02:39.720 like 17 million vulnerable people were killed. 02:41.200 --> 02:43.280 So you're saying your paper shows for the Southern Hemisphere, 02:43.280 --> 02:44.280 which is the focus of your paper, 02:44.280 --> 02:46.320 that the fact that in every case that you look at, 02:46.320 --> 02:48.960 vaccine rollout is associated with higher access mortality. 02:48.960 --> 02:50.200 And for the Tracy's point, 02:50.200 --> 02:51.720 when the other countries that you didn't focus- 02:51.760 --> 02:55.240 Now, just to point out, good evening, 02:55.240 --> 02:56.600 this is Giga-owned biological. 02:56.600 --> 02:58.320 We're just doing a quick study hall tonight 02:58.320 --> 02:59.960 on this recent broadcast. 02:59.960 --> 03:02.680 It's actually might still be live, but I reset it now, 03:03.680 --> 03:06.940 where on Steve Kirsch's little Thursday night thing, 03:07.960 --> 03:10.000 we have Denny Rancor. 03:10.000 --> 03:12.480 Now, interestingly, they're discussing this debate, 03:12.480 --> 03:14.120 which I haven't really watched yet, 03:14.120 --> 03:18.560 that occurred between the two guys on the top 03:18.560 --> 03:21.280 are supposed to kind of be hosts or moderators. 03:21.280 --> 03:24.920 And it's supposed to be between Tracy Beth Holk. 03:24.920 --> 03:26.480 I think that's who that is. 03:26.480 --> 03:29.440 And that's Denny Rancor over here. 03:29.440 --> 03:32.640 Sorry, I'm not a good weatherman right here. 03:32.640 --> 03:36.200 So the guy in the upper left corner 03:36.200 --> 03:41.200 is the co-author or co-producer of the blog 03:41.600 --> 03:46.000 and podcast called Illusion of Consensus. 03:46.000 --> 03:48.440 Now, the reason why I find Illusion of Consensus 03:48.440 --> 03:50.400 to be kind of an interesting thing 03:50.400 --> 03:54.440 is because they started it in May of 2023, 03:54.440 --> 03:55.560 not that long ago. 03:55.560 --> 04:00.560 And I'm not really sure if I can't go back before May last year 04:01.720 --> 04:06.320 and find myself still using the words Illusion of Consensus 04:06.320 --> 04:08.120 and I'm not gonna do it 04:08.120 --> 04:09.640 because I don't wanna find out 04:09.640 --> 04:12.520 or I don't wanna think about whether 04:12.520 --> 04:14.400 some of these people are bad guys anymore. 04:14.400 --> 04:18.400 But I do know that this guy sort of came out of nowhere 04:18.480 --> 04:21.520 and in fact, one of the first places that I saw him 04:21.520 --> 04:23.880 which is really interesting 04:23.880 --> 04:26.520 was on the Brett Weinstein podcast. 04:27.520 --> 04:30.560 And so he was promoted basically 04:30.560 --> 04:35.560 into this sort of little network of bros with shows 04:35.920 --> 04:39.960 and he now has this thing with J about Acharya. 04:39.960 --> 04:42.440 So that's where this occurred. 04:42.440 --> 04:46.920 So now we have Steve Kirsch promoting J about Acharya 04:46.920 --> 04:49.760 and this character's podcast, 04:49.760 --> 04:53.160 which was already previously anointed as cool 04:53.160 --> 04:56.480 by having been interviewed by Brett Weinstein, 04:56.480 --> 04:58.360 which is just interesting. 04:58.360 --> 04:59.560 It's just interesting. 04:59.560 --> 05:01.360 So on you're saying, also you would find one there 05:01.360 --> 05:04.480 if you're saying if you use the proper excess mortality 05:04.480 --> 05:06.240 figures or you're saying that sometimes- 05:06.240 --> 05:07.600 Yeah, I'm saying that we're gonna put out a paper 05:07.600 --> 05:08.480 in the next two months or so 05:08.480 --> 05:09.640 that we'll have 150 countries 05:09.640 --> 05:12.280 where we did this analysis throughout in great detail 05:12.280 --> 05:13.400 with state of the art methods. 05:13.400 --> 05:17.880 And it shows that this is a consistent phenomenon. 05:17.880 --> 05:19.000 It's helping me a lot. 05:19.000 --> 05:20.320 I got to be right back. 05:21.760 --> 05:26.080 Oh yeah, don't worry, go ahead and finish your dinner, Steve. 05:26.080 --> 05:28.000 Don't let me interrupt your dinner. 05:28.000 --> 05:29.360 So yeah, we had a debate. 05:29.360 --> 05:31.400 It was a, you know, personally, 05:31.400 --> 05:33.440 it was a very painful experience for me to have that debate. 05:33.440 --> 05:34.920 It lasted three hours. 05:34.920 --> 05:37.520 It was done, it was set up in a rush. 05:37.520 --> 05:38.600 I didn't want to miss the opportunity. 05:38.600 --> 05:41.040 So I gave in to a lot of the conditions of the debate 05:41.040 --> 05:42.600 that were not favorable. 05:42.600 --> 05:44.720 And I was angry when we started the debate. 05:44.720 --> 05:47.480 You guys didn't see the backstage discussion. 05:47.480 --> 05:49.400 But I was very susceptible to the seat. 05:49.400 --> 05:52.000 But I thought, well, I've just got to do the best I can 05:52.000 --> 05:53.080 and see what happens. 05:53.080 --> 05:53.920 Tell me more. 05:53.920 --> 05:55.280 What was unfair? 05:55.280 --> 05:56.600 Oh, I don't want to get into those details 05:56.600 --> 05:57.360 about how it was done. 05:57.360 --> 06:00.320 But no, I don't want to mean mouth how it was done. 06:00.320 --> 06:02.640 But, oh, unfair. 06:02.640 --> 06:05.400 Well, clearly the three of them 06:05.400 --> 06:09.000 were had a position which was opposite to mine. 06:09.000 --> 06:11.360 Rob himself told me he was certainly biased. 06:11.360 --> 06:13.240 You could see that in his prelude 06:13.240 --> 06:15.600 to the written critique by Tracy, 06:15.600 --> 06:18.440 that he was extremely biased against our study. 06:18.440 --> 06:20.680 And he said, yes, I'm biased, but I'll be objective now. 06:20.680 --> 06:21.440 And so on. 06:21.440 --> 06:23.440 I mean, it was that kind of a situation. 06:23.440 --> 06:25.200 So we did what we could. 06:25.200 --> 06:26.120 I did the best I could. 06:26.120 --> 06:28.600 And then, thankfully, I had the opportunity 06:28.600 --> 06:30.440 to write a very detailed written response 06:30.440 --> 06:32.800 to every point in Tracy's critique, 06:32.800 --> 06:34.360 where I unpacked her critique. 06:34.360 --> 06:36.680 And I responded to every single point in writing very clearly. 06:36.680 --> 06:38.680 So people are welcome to read that. 06:38.680 --> 06:39.520 It's on my website. 06:39.520 --> 06:40.600 And it's on sub stack. 06:40.600 --> 06:43.760 It's entitled, My Responses Tracy Beth Hoeig's Criticism 06:43.760 --> 06:46.200 of our 17 Million Vaccine Deaths calculation. 06:46.200 --> 06:47.040 It's all there. 06:47.040 --> 06:48.960 And I appreciate having done that, 06:48.960 --> 06:51.280 because there's a lot of fact checkers out there 06:51.280 --> 06:53.480 that are spewing out all kinds of garbage. 06:53.480 --> 06:55.160 And a lot of it was echoed by Tracy. 06:55.160 --> 06:57.800 And I was able to address it in detail, point after point. 06:57.800 --> 07:00.440 I'm not saying that Tracy made only fun comments. 07:00.440 --> 07:04.080 She also made some a few very pertinent scientific comments, 07:04.080 --> 07:05.360 which I'm grateful for. 07:05.360 --> 07:07.840 But it gave me a chance to address the fact checkers. 07:07.840 --> 07:08.680 Yeah. 07:08.720 --> 07:09.840 No, I don't want to be a creep. 07:09.840 --> 07:12.840 But I don't really care much about this interesting little 07:12.840 --> 07:13.760 debate they had. 07:13.760 --> 07:16.040 I think it must have been, for the most part, 07:16.040 --> 07:18.000 all about the 17 million deaths. 07:18.000 --> 07:21.400 And not about whether there was any evidence for spread. 07:21.400 --> 07:24.240 And if I watched that video and I spent an hour and a half 07:24.240 --> 07:28.040 watching it and find out that they wasted my time 07:28.040 --> 07:32.880 by not discussing the fact that he has oodles of data 07:32.880 --> 07:34.720 to show that for some reason or another, 07:34.720 --> 07:36.960 the virus doesn't spread from county to county 07:36.960 --> 07:40.680 or from country to country, I'm going to go bananas. 07:40.680 --> 07:46.080 And I'm almost sure that that's what happened on that debate. 07:46.080 --> 07:49.120 And so what I'm watching this for, what I'm hoping in this for, 07:49.120 --> 07:51.040 I have this set at 1.5 speed. 07:51.040 --> 07:53.960 I hope that he covers that in this discussion. 07:53.960 --> 07:55.520 Let's go. 07:55.520 --> 07:58.240 Suffice it to say, at the end of the day, 07:58.240 --> 08:00.760 you weren't persuaded by her arguments. 08:00.760 --> 08:03.720 Would that be fair summary? 08:03.720 --> 08:07.440 Oh, her argument was that our paper was untenable, 08:07.440 --> 08:09.480 had no value, that it was full of holes. 08:09.480 --> 08:12.760 She used the term that you needed to do a sanity check 08:12.760 --> 08:14.400 if you were going to believe this paper. 08:14.400 --> 08:16.480 So her argument was that it was a worthless paper. 08:16.480 --> 08:19.680 So she had, she was supposed to prove or demonstrate 08:19.680 --> 08:21.600 that there was something, an error in it or some logic 08:21.600 --> 08:23.200 that was incorrect or something. 08:23.200 --> 08:25.080 And she did not do that whatsoever. 08:25.080 --> 08:27.120 And my response is, well, here are your points. 08:27.120 --> 08:29.080 One after the other, it's like a big shopping list. 08:29.080 --> 08:31.680 And some of them are just flippant, ridiculous, silly things 08:31.680 --> 08:32.560 that you shouldn't have said. 08:32.560 --> 08:33.880 And others are good scientific points. 08:33.880 --> 08:35.800 And here's my addressing each one. 08:35.800 --> 08:38.640 So you have not, in any way, invalidated our paper. 08:38.640 --> 08:40.000 OK. 08:40.000 --> 08:44.280 Yeah, so, but Tracy does bring up one good scientific point 08:44.280 --> 08:46.320 that I acknowledge, and it's a good point. 08:46.320 --> 08:47.320 It's an important point. 08:47.320 --> 08:48.800 And it does not invalidate our paper. 08:48.800 --> 08:51.440 But it's still something that is needed in the analysis 08:51.440 --> 08:53.520 and in the thought of what's going on here, which, of course, 08:53.520 --> 08:54.560 we have considered and so on. 08:54.560 --> 08:57.000 It just wasn't explicitly written in our paper. 08:57.000 --> 08:58.440 Do you want me to get into that? 08:58.440 --> 09:00.600 Like technically, what is the one key thing 09:00.600 --> 09:02.280 that she had a reasonable point on? 09:02.280 --> 09:03.960 I think that might be cool, right? 09:03.960 --> 09:06.200 So basically, she said, cut right to the chaser. 09:06.200 --> 09:07.200 Yeah, let's cut right to the chaser. 09:07.200 --> 09:08.960 She basically said, listen, she said, 09:08.960 --> 09:11.600 there has been a study done in Qatar 09:11.600 --> 09:14.480 where they had all the national data for the entire country. 09:14.480 --> 09:16.280 And they had not only the death certificate data, 09:16.280 --> 09:18.240 but they had the vaccination status of every single person 09:18.240 --> 09:19.240 who died. 09:19.240 --> 09:21.240 And by status, we mean like. 09:21.240 --> 09:22.960 Steve's getting very excited here. 09:22.960 --> 09:26.840 I anticipate he's going to have something fun to say here. 09:26.840 --> 09:27.600 Hang on. 09:27.600 --> 09:29.080 Each dose that was given, when it was given, 09:29.080 --> 09:30.000 they had everything. 09:30.000 --> 09:31.560 And she said, well, look at this paper. 09:32.400 --> 09:33.760 She didn't say this clearly in the debate, 09:33.760 --> 09:35.960 but if you read what she said and you read the paper 09:35.960 --> 09:38.640 and I was able to infer that, hey, there's a good point here, 09:38.640 --> 09:39.960 although she didn't say it this clearly. 09:39.960 --> 09:43.160 But basically, what it is, is if unless the Qatari scientists 09:43.160 --> 09:45.920 are being completely dishonest and are making up data, 09:45.920 --> 09:48.640 then what their study shows is that even if you interpret 09:48.640 --> 09:51.360 every single death that occurred after the vaccine 09:51.360 --> 09:53.600 that they report, as being due to the vaccine, 09:53.600 --> 09:55.920 it's still a small number, okay? 09:55.920 --> 09:57.680 So her point is, given that small number, 09:57.680 --> 10:00.240 which works out to be something like 10 or 20 deaths 10:00.280 --> 10:03.160 per million injections or per million people injected. 10:03.160 --> 10:04.520 And so she said, well, given that small number, 10:04.520 --> 10:07.080 how it's completely incompatible with what you're getting, 10:07.080 --> 10:08.240 right? 10:08.240 --> 10:11.360 And so that's the kind of opposition 10:11.360 --> 10:12.400 that is really good to make, 10:12.400 --> 10:14.720 because you're comparing two very different kinds of study. 10:14.720 --> 10:15.800 You're comparing a study where you actually know 10:15.800 --> 10:17.480 the vaccine status of everyone who died in the country 10:17.480 --> 10:19.240 for the entire period that you studied it for, 10:19.240 --> 10:20.760 to a study that does all cause mortality 10:20.760 --> 10:23.080 and looks at temporal correlations between rollouts 10:23.080 --> 10:26.560 and temporally associated peaks in the all cause mortality. 10:26.560 --> 10:27.880 And you quantify that, okay? 10:27.880 --> 10:29.280 So it's very different approaches. 10:29.280 --> 10:31.320 And she's saying, you're not giving the right, 10:31.320 --> 10:33.160 the same answer, they're not the same order of magnitude, 10:33.160 --> 10:34.800 there's gotta be something wrong here. 10:34.800 --> 10:37.960 And so we looked at the Katori paper in my response, 10:37.960 --> 10:39.160 and we were very critical of it, 10:39.160 --> 10:42.640 that it didn't apply to a real population in a real country. 10:42.640 --> 10:44.280 The average age of people who died was very young, 10:44.280 --> 10:46.640 whereas we're looking at most people who died, 10:46.640 --> 10:47.480 things like that. 10:47.480 --> 10:49.040 And they were all young males, 10:49.040 --> 10:51.560 and they were all immigrant workers in Qatar. 10:51.560 --> 10:54.200 It's like in their study period, nobody all died. 10:54.200 --> 10:57.280 And no Katori's died that had been vaccinated. 10:57.280 --> 10:58.720 In other words, it's a fountain of youth. 10:59.600 --> 11:02.400 It protected, if you got the vaccine and you were old, 11:02.400 --> 11:04.520 you couldn't die of all costs, right? 11:04.520 --> 11:06.800 Okay, so I tried to get the data. 11:06.800 --> 11:08.400 I tried to get the data on the Katori paper. 11:08.400 --> 11:09.240 Yeah. 11:09.240 --> 11:10.080 Guess what happened? 11:10.080 --> 11:10.920 They won't give it to you, they won't give it to you. 11:10.920 --> 11:11.760 Exactly. 11:11.760 --> 11:13.120 They actually say in the paper that. 11:13.120 --> 11:13.960 You can't get it. 11:13.960 --> 11:15.680 To protect privacy, we're not gonna give this to you. 11:15.680 --> 11:16.520 Yeah. 11:16.520 --> 11:20.680 And also I've got to protect the privacy. 11:20.680 --> 11:21.680 That's really important. 11:21.680 --> 11:24.480 As we learn to use human, yeah, especially for the dead. 11:24.480 --> 11:26.560 You can't got to preserve the privacy of dead people. 11:26.560 --> 11:30.400 So the authors were funded by the usual suspects. 11:30.400 --> 11:31.240 And that the... 11:31.240 --> 11:32.080 No. 11:32.080 --> 11:32.920 Yes. 11:32.920 --> 11:35.240 And that the independence of this study. 11:35.240 --> 11:36.880 And that the results were just really surprising. 11:36.880 --> 11:38.440 Like nobody all dying and stuff like that. 11:38.440 --> 11:40.520 So what did she say to that? 11:40.520 --> 11:41.600 No, no, no. 11:41.600 --> 11:43.200 You see, the problem is she did not, 11:43.200 --> 11:45.280 she didn't clearly put this to me during the debate 11:45.280 --> 11:46.400 or in her written thing. 11:46.400 --> 11:49.400 I had to construct what her best argument would be 11:49.400 --> 11:52.560 given the shotgun shot list that she put out of her. 11:52.560 --> 11:54.080 And then I addressed her best argument 11:54.080 --> 11:55.280 as I construct that it would be. 11:55.280 --> 11:56.120 Got it. 11:56.120 --> 11:56.960 I got it. 11:56.960 --> 11:58.640 So I have some good news for you. 11:58.640 --> 12:01.400 I have the data from New Zealand. 12:01.400 --> 12:02.240 Yeah. 12:02.240 --> 12:03.880 And I have the... 12:03.880 --> 12:04.880 Everybody's death. 12:04.880 --> 12:06.160 I have the death records for everybody. 12:06.160 --> 12:08.040 And I have the death records if you were vaccinated. 12:08.040 --> 12:11.440 So I can tell you that these vaccines, 12:11.440 --> 12:14.520 you may be surprised to hear this, they are not safe. 12:14.520 --> 12:16.480 And you know, I can't get an epidemiologist on camera 12:16.480 --> 12:17.960 to talk about the data for some reason. 12:17.960 --> 12:18.800 I just can't figure it out. 12:18.800 --> 12:23.520 To save my life, I cannot find a pro-vaccine epidemiologist 12:23.520 --> 12:25.120 where we can have an honest discussion 12:25.120 --> 12:26.240 about the New Zealand data. 12:26.240 --> 12:28.360 Because the New Zealand data, the beauty of the New Zealand data 12:28.360 --> 12:32.040 is that it's public information now, thanks to me. 12:32.040 --> 12:33.160 Thanks to Barry Young. 12:33.160 --> 12:34.960 Because he gave it to me, I then obfuscated it, 12:34.960 --> 12:36.760 and then I took the risk of publishing it. 12:36.760 --> 12:39.960 And so it's out for everybody to see. 12:39.960 --> 12:41.560 It's so much work. 12:41.560 --> 12:45.520 You know, Steve, my research team and I 12:45.520 --> 12:47.040 are doing the heavy lifting. 12:47.040 --> 12:50.400 I mean, as scientists, we're doing a really big job here 12:50.400 --> 12:52.240 and we have for many years. 12:52.240 --> 12:55.400 It's so much work to really do a rigorous job 12:55.400 --> 12:57.680 of analyzing this kind of data and trying 12:57.680 --> 13:00.400 to figure out all the caveats and everything. 13:00.400 --> 13:03.600 That before we launch into yet another country 13:03.600 --> 13:07.640 or yet another database, we have to be as sure as we can 13:07.640 --> 13:10.520 that it's not corrupted in any way. 13:10.520 --> 13:13.640 And for that reason, I've kind of been avoiding 13:13.640 --> 13:17.040 the New Zealand data because I don't know 13:17.040 --> 13:19.800 that it's complete for the country over the time period 13:19.800 --> 13:22.560 that they're saying it's not certified 13:22.560 --> 13:24.920 by a national government. 13:24.920 --> 13:28.000 And that kind of, you know, it's just so much work 13:28.000 --> 13:29.200 to work on this data. 13:29.200 --> 13:31.960 It's just like, well, I would rather work with data 13:31.960 --> 13:35.960 that no one will say can have any problems with it, you see. 13:35.960 --> 13:37.960 Yeah, that's fine. 13:37.960 --> 13:40.440 You know, personal preference, I can tell you 13:40.440 --> 13:43.600 that I have spent months with this data 13:43.600 --> 13:46.720 and I analyze it all sorts of different ways 13:46.720 --> 13:50.440 and it's like nobody could have faked this data. 13:50.440 --> 13:51.640 And it all matches up. 13:51.640 --> 13:53.440 I mean, I can go to each record. 13:53.440 --> 13:55.000 I've got the full records. 13:55.000 --> 13:56.880 I've got all the records. 13:56.880 --> 13:58.560 I can match them up with real life. 13:58.560 --> 14:00.480 I can verify every single record. 14:00.480 --> 14:01.320 Yes. 14:02.360 --> 14:07.440 I don't understand how is it anonymous, 14:07.440 --> 14:10.480 but then you can match it up in real life 14:10.480 --> 14:11.880 every record up in real life. 14:11.880 --> 14:14.120 I don't know what he's even saying there. 14:15.000 --> 14:19.640 It's really like he's trying to tempt Denny into, 14:19.640 --> 14:23.440 well, I have the perfect data set for you, the buddy. 14:23.440 --> 14:26.200 I got the perfect sirloin steak 14:26.200 --> 14:29.080 that you're just going to want to try and grill yourself. 14:29.080 --> 14:30.120 I don't really get it. 14:30.120 --> 14:31.440 I don't get it at all. 14:31.440 --> 14:35.640 This data set, he also tried to tempt CHD 14:35.640 --> 14:38.440 into doing some analysis on it when I was there. 14:38.440 --> 14:43.440 And yeah, I don't know. 14:44.000 --> 14:46.360 I feel like he's been pushing this data set 14:46.360 --> 14:48.440 on a lot of different people. 14:51.760 --> 14:56.760 CHD with Brian, and he's got a staff scientist there 14:58.760 --> 15:00.920 by the name of Carl that he works with. 15:03.400 --> 15:05.000 Carl's extremely skilled. 15:05.000 --> 15:10.000 And so I think given how long Steve has had this data set, 15:10.000 --> 15:13.000 how many people he's offered it to, 15:13.000 --> 15:16.000 how many people have had the opportunity to look at it 15:16.000 --> 15:20.000 and haven't really seen what Steve thinks that he sees there. 15:23.000 --> 15:27.000 I would be very curious to see what Denny would find, 15:27.000 --> 15:32.000 but I have trouble with the initial aspect of it. 15:32.000 --> 15:34.000 There were so many weird things 15:34.000 --> 15:37.000 about the way that this whistleblower came forward 15:37.000 --> 15:41.000 and the different context and requirements 15:41.000 --> 15:45.000 that were needed. 15:45.000 --> 15:50.000 I just, 15:54.000 --> 15:56.000 I don't know how to say it any other way, 15:56.000 --> 15:59.000 but I don't trust anything that comes out of that country 15:59.000 --> 16:01.000 after what I saw for the last four years 16:01.000 --> 16:02.000 of how that place works. 16:02.000 --> 16:06.000 There's only like, is there 17 million of them down there? 16:07.000 --> 16:11.000 Maybe it's 17 million, but it's somewhere between the Netherlands 16:11.000 --> 16:14.000 and Norway, right, in terms of total population. 16:14.000 --> 16:18.000 This is not, so we're talking about a highly corruptible system 16:18.000 --> 16:21.000 that was already highly corrupt when their prime minister 16:21.000 --> 16:24.000 was that lady with a rather large, 16:24.000 --> 16:27.000 she had kind of a big mouth. 16:31.000 --> 16:34.000 I mean, it's like physically wide with a lot of teeth visible 16:34.000 --> 16:36.000 when she talks. 16:36.000 --> 16:42.000 Anyway, I don't want to talk about that data set. 16:42.000 --> 16:47.000 And statistically, this thing is perfect. 16:47.000 --> 16:51.000 You look at the all-cause mortality of people 16:51.000 --> 16:52.000 who got the shot and died. 16:52.000 --> 16:56.000 I mean, these things match up to what New Zealand mortality is 16:56.000 --> 16:59.000 within 10% or 20%. 16:59.000 --> 17:03.000 Obviously, they're higher if you've got the vaccine. 17:04.000 --> 17:06.000 You see what I mean? 17:06.000 --> 17:09.000 I think Denny's about to react to it right here. 17:09.000 --> 17:16.000 Within 10% to 20% is a very wide window of variation. 17:16.000 --> 17:19.000 That's not really matching up to previous years 17:19.000 --> 17:22.000 if it's between 10% and 20% on. 17:22.000 --> 17:24.000 But these things are really match up. 17:24.000 --> 17:26.000 I mean, it really matches up. 17:26.000 --> 17:29.000 And the consistency over the data set. 17:30.000 --> 17:33.000 And statistically, this thing is perfect. 17:33.000 --> 17:37.000 You look at the all-cause mortality of people who got the shot 17:37.000 --> 17:38.000 and died. 17:38.000 --> 17:42.000 I mean, these things match up to what New Zealand mortality is 17:42.000 --> 17:45.000 within 10% or 20%. 17:45.000 --> 17:48.000 Obviously, they're higher if you've got the vaccine. 17:48.000 --> 17:50.000 But you look at Denny's face. 17:50.000 --> 17:51.000 Did you see it? 17:51.000 --> 17:52.000 Denny's like, wait, what? 17:52.000 --> 17:55.000 They match up between 20% and 20%? 17:55.000 --> 17:57.000 Like, that's not matching up. 17:57.000 --> 17:58.000 Watch Denny's face. 17:58.000 --> 17:59.000 Watch Denny's face. 17:59.000 --> 18:00.000 Each record. 18:00.000 --> 18:02.000 I've got the full records. 18:02.000 --> 18:03.000 I've got all the records. 18:03.000 --> 18:05.000 I can match them up with real life. 18:05.000 --> 18:07.000 I can verify every single record. 18:07.000 --> 18:08.000 Yes. 18:08.000 --> 18:12.000 And statistically, statistically, this thing is like perfect. 18:12.000 --> 18:15.000 Like you look at the all-cause mortality of people who got the 18:15.000 --> 18:16.000 vaccine. 18:16.000 --> 18:21.000 And you look at the all-cause mortality of people who got the 18:21.000 --> 18:22.000 shot and died. 18:22.000 --> 18:26.000 I mean, these things match up to what New Zealand mortality is. 18:26.000 --> 18:29.000 You know, within 10% or 20%. 18:29.000 --> 18:32.000 You know, obviously, they're higher if you've got the vaccine. 18:32.000 --> 18:34.000 But these things are really match up. 18:34.000 --> 18:36.000 I mean, it really matches up. 18:36.000 --> 18:40.000 And the, you know, within 10% or 20%, you know, obviously, they're 18:40.000 --> 18:42.000 higher if you've got the vaccine. 18:42.000 --> 18:44.000 But these things are really match up. 18:44.000 --> 18:47.000 I mean, it really matches up. 18:47.000 --> 18:50.020 I mean, it really matches up and the 18:51.580 --> 18:59.000 Data because really matching up is what you really want when it comes to data. You want it to really match up 19:02.280 --> 19:05.680 Listen if you died in the first year versus the second year on 19:06.640 --> 19:10.040 Frickin believable. I mean this data 19:11.160 --> 19:15.920 Look at this day. I'm sorry that this is so technical. I hope you guys don't mind 19:15.920 --> 19:20.080 I'm gonna wait until I do the subtitles on this to break it down 19:20.280 --> 19:23.560 Technically this I know it's really dense right now, but just try to keep up 19:23.560 --> 19:28.360 Hey, you say there's no way that this data was tampered with this is this is honest 19:29.160 --> 19:31.160 Awesome thing 19:31.160 --> 19:35.600 Completeness is another you can have it depends on her depends on how you analyze it, right? 19:35.600 --> 19:39.320 If you analyze it on a perdos basis the completeness doesn't matter 19:40.680 --> 19:42.680 Because it's random 19:42.880 --> 19:49.360 Yeah, we probably don't want to go there why is it on a perdos basis the completeness doesn't matter 19:50.760 --> 19:53.460 Because it's random. It's it's a yeah 19:53.960 --> 19:58.520 We probably don't want to go there because we'll spend a lot of time talking about 19:59.040 --> 20:06.640 The caveats in analyzing this kind of data because you know, that's some that's what we do and there are a lot of caveats and 20:12.680 --> 20:20.560 You know, they they contact they contacted my he tried really hard to get him to take that data seriously 20:20.560 --> 20:23.040 That was pretty funny. I mean it matches up really nice 20:24.480 --> 20:26.480 hosting provider to 20:26.480 --> 20:28.480 Try to take my server down 20:28.480 --> 20:32.920 And the hosting provider then said hey, we got this request and they sent me the request 20:33.200 --> 20:37.720 So I know who they are so I reached out to these guys I emailed all of them 20:37.720 --> 20:40.040 I I found I called them and 20:40.040 --> 20:43.120 And you know left a message. I've got that 20:43.720 --> 20:50.920 And these guys don't respond. They said oh contact us by you know, we're in 20:53.000 --> 20:59.640 Yeah, it's the lawyers. They write and the lawyers say so what happens is that they have the hitman lawyer who 20:59.760 --> 21:04.920 This is the guy who contacts my hosting provider saying oh, you know, yeah, take notice of this this order 21:04.920 --> 21:11.000 Which by the way, we don't have any jurisdiction over you, but they never say that right so they say check out this order and 21:11.840 --> 21:16.880 You know, please take down the the stuff and then they say well, you contacted the wrong firm 21:16.880 --> 21:21.200 You have to contact this firm so in nanoseconds this guy contacts the right firm 21:21.200 --> 21:28.480 Who's the interviewer again? Who who whose time are we wasting who whose interview is this and whose dinner? 21:28.480 --> 21:34.200 Did we interrupt? I don't get what's going on here. It's everything is flipped then I get it and 21:34.920 --> 21:38.520 I contact this guy here nothing from this guy 21:38.640 --> 21:45.920 Then I keep contacting them and then I get this note from the senior partner at the law firm 21:46.560 --> 21:52.240 And he writes me and he says oh, it's because I texted him or I texted 21:53.040 --> 21:57.000 Anthony who's the hench the hitman who who goes after 21:58.000 --> 21:59.640 My hosting provider 21:59.680 --> 22:07.520 So Anthony basically is out of the picture now because he's the lower level guy in the law firm 22:07.520 --> 22:14.120 So the top partner on the breaches then is tech he texts me back. He says 22:15.120 --> 22:19.560 I'm taking over now. All your conversations should be with me 22:19.720 --> 22:24.320 Don't see see any anybody else but me and contact me by email 22:24.960 --> 22:29.440 So I send him emails. They said okay fine. How about your way, you know Burger King. Have it you're right 22:29.640 --> 22:31.640 And and so 22:31.640 --> 22:33.640 Then he 22:33.640 --> 22:36.600 Send them all these emails and he never responds. Yeah, of course 22:37.080 --> 22:42.480 It's typical they the first thing they do if they can do it especially when they don't even have the jurisdiction 22:42.880 --> 22:49.880 They try to intimidate you and if it doesn't work then there's nothing they can do. So what's talking right right? 22:51.480 --> 22:56.040 Yeah, but I said I take it down. I said look I don't want to spread this information 22:56.040 --> 22:58.040 I don't want to reveal any one of the identity 22:58.360 --> 23:02.180 How about I just want to have a zoom call with Margie 23:02.640 --> 23:07.800 Papa show show me that there's a problem with the data and I'll take it down. Yeah. Yeah, I said hey look 23:07.800 --> 23:09.800 You got an N. H. I and you got a 23:10.800 --> 23:14.600 We use MRN's because we we obfuscated the N. H. I number so 23:17.240 --> 23:21.500 Why does he use the term obfuscated the the number I don't 23:22.340 --> 23:28.620 Is that the right term it could be I maybe I don't I've never used that term to describe 23:29.340 --> 23:30.260 the 23:30.260 --> 23:34.700 You know the changing the randomizing of numbers. Oh, give me the number 23:36.420 --> 23:42.620 You're an activist and you think like an activist their lawyers trying to get it down period, right? 23:42.620 --> 23:46.900 And and so you're saying well show me that it's wrong. Tell me it's wrong 23:47.740 --> 23:55.700 I mean, that's a typical prank that activists do whereas this lawyer guy his job was to try to impress you or intimidate you 23:55.820 --> 24:00.080 Make you worried make you consult your own lawyer who might say well 24:00.580 --> 24:02.580 You this way and this way and 24:03.540 --> 24:05.540 But it didn't work 24:05.900 --> 24:11.420 They have to crawl back and right right well, but but I told him hey, I'm happy to negotiate 24:12.300 --> 24:17.220 With Margie about taking my site down and of course in the negotiation 24:17.220 --> 24:22.980 I'll be like okay, you guys officially publish the data. Yeah, that's on my site the whole data 24:23.780 --> 24:28.340 Back to your point of the whole data. You publish the whole data set. I'll take my site down 24:29.140 --> 24:36.060 Right, right, you know, I'm a very small guy work. That's not how that's not what it's about. You know that of course 24:36.300 --> 24:41.380 Of course, but that's the way it should be about right because if they they think I did a poor job obfuscated 24:41.420 --> 24:48.500 Then they should say fine. We'll we'll do a great job obfuscating and the public should know because this is public health information 24:48.500 --> 24:54.860 It should be public. I mean you're you're totally in support of your your you did you did a service 24:54.900 --> 24:58.740 You put it out there in the hope that some scientists will pick it up and start to 24:59.140 --> 25:03.020 Yeah, analyze it and see if some of your statistical analysis 25:03.940 --> 25:10.220 You know, maybe it's not the best and so on. You're hoping that people get involved with the data, right? 25:10.540 --> 25:14.340 And you know, I may get there someday, but we've just got 25:16.340 --> 25:22.900 That's cool. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, you know what but you know what I'm learning about this is that 25:23.940 --> 25:31.420 I'm I'm still looking for the honest scientist because the honor the honest epidemiologist, right? You're looking at because you're 25:31.420 --> 25:35.700 No, I know I know but are you but are you saying I'm not an epidemiologist? No? 25:35.700 --> 25:42.460 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, let me 25:42.460 --> 25:43.660 know what I said. 25:43.660 --> 25:45.040 No, no, no, no, no, that's what you said. 25:45.040 --> 25:49.380 Pro GPAT, seen epidemiologist, I didn't finish. 25:49.380 --> 25:56.060 There's a looking for the honest, pro vaccine epidemiologist who will look at this data. 25:56.060 --> 25:59.180 Well, that's what I want. 25:59.180 --> 26:03.040 Most most won't say that they're pro again, so they'll say they're just looking objectively 26:03.040 --> 26:04.100 at the science. 26:04.100 --> 26:05.100 Yeah. 26:05.100 --> 26:11.900 put it that way. But you know, we've had two theoretical epidemiology papers in my group 26:12.540 --> 26:19.100 published in peer-reviewed journals now. So I'm not letting anyone suggest that I'm not an 26:19.100 --> 26:23.660 epidemiologist. Oh, I'm not suggesting that you're not. I know I'm kidding you, you know that. 26:23.660 --> 26:29.580 So okay, so let me ask you, you left as a full professor at the University of Ottawa. Why did 26:29.580 --> 26:37.020 you leave? I didn't leave. I was fired. Really? Tell me more. It was an academic freedom battle. 26:37.020 --> 26:45.340 It was huge. It lasted a decade. What was the story? Well, there's what they said and 26:45.340 --> 26:50.060 and the thing they don't tell you, which is I was very, very critical of the university 26:50.060 --> 26:57.100 administration and very vocal and very expressive. And I had a blog and I was just constantly pointing 26:57.100 --> 27:02.140 out that they were using the university institution to for their own benefit and for their own 27:02.140 --> 27:09.100 political devices. And so I was very critical and they I got it got under their skin, I guess. 27:09.100 --> 27:16.300 And they decided to take me out even though I was a full prof and with tenure. And you know, 27:16.300 --> 27:24.540 do that though. There's isn't I thought if you're a full professor with tenure. Yes. And unless you 27:24.540 --> 27:31.340 like, shoot someone, you know, or get rid of a crime. You understand about power 27:32.700 --> 27:40.140 is that they can fire anyone anytime. It's a corporation. Now, will it stand up in court? 27:40.140 --> 27:45.340 If it's challenged, that's where tenure comes in. But they have the power to take you out 27:45.340 --> 27:51.660 one day to the next, like any corporation. Well, after that, after that, you must go to court 27:52.140 --> 27:57.340 or your union, if it's unionized, you and your union go to court and you say that that dismissal 27:57.340 --> 28:04.140 is not warranted. And this man has tenure and et cetera, et cetera. And you fight it out. Yeah. 28:04.140 --> 28:09.500 So we we fought it out for a decade. We fought it out for decade. We went all the way to the 28:09.500 --> 28:14.220 highest appellate court in the province and everything went back and everything. And we were still in 28:14.220 --> 28:21.340 appeal when we finally settled. Oh, wow, you finally settled. Is that a confidential settlement 28:21.340 --> 28:27.740 agreement? Of course, of course it is. And so that that that 10 years after 10 years, we settled. 28:27.740 --> 28:35.980 Oh my gosh. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. And there was there was one element that could not be settled, 28:35.980 --> 28:44.140 because it's not allowed in the law to settle it, which is that I was in the process of 28:44.220 --> 28:52.060 litigating against a doctor for breach of professional ethics. And you can't settle out 28:52.060 --> 28:59.420 a breach of professional ethics. So that case went forward. And my union didn't want to take it on. 28:59.420 --> 29:07.900 So I was self represented. It lasted four years or more. And I won. I won a huge victory 29:08.620 --> 29:15.260 against a professional who had worked for the university in this in this context. So there you 29:15.260 --> 29:20.460 go. So can you tell us what that victory was specifically? Well, the victory is public because 29:20.460 --> 29:28.940 it went to court. So what was the what were the particulars of this particular? Well, it was a 29:29.500 --> 29:39.660 hitman psychiatrist who was hired to secretly in secretly evaluate me. And he gave an opinion 29:39.660 --> 29:44.860 to the university that on the basis of psychiatry, I was a dangerous individual. 29:46.860 --> 29:52.940 So so this means that you are not a dangerous individual. 29:53.580 --> 30:01.500 Well, it's a thing. According to the court, you can you can prove that his that he had to 30:01.500 --> 30:06.540 breach professional ethics and did a bad job. And it was all wrong and use bad data and everything. 30:06.540 --> 30:10.460 You can prove all that, but you can't prove that I'm not dangerous. You see what I'm saying? So 30:10.460 --> 30:16.940 you still yeah, I got it. I got it. So yeah, I got it. I got it. So the point is that you still 30:16.940 --> 30:24.540 could be dangerous. It's just that his opinion now has to be discarded that you are dangerous. 30:24.540 --> 30:27.740 You can still be dangerous. I could be talking to a dangerous guy. 30:28.300 --> 30:33.500 His opinion has to be discarded and he has to be disciplined for having made it under the 30:33.500 --> 30:38.140 circumstances that he made. Congratulations. Yes. Thank you. How do you how do you 30:38.140 --> 30:42.620 monetarily support yourself? Wow, like 30 questions about donations. 30:43.500 --> 30:48.860 30 questions about it. How do you get cashflow? How do you get cashflow for your papers and 30:48.860 --> 30:54.140 you're not employed by a university? I don't I don't need people's sponsor. He doesn't need 30:54.140 --> 31:02.300 money. I don't need money for my personal life. But okay, I do I do need a research team and the 31:02.300 --> 31:10.860 research that we do, which is very expensive. And so I'm looking to make that sustainable. 31:11.740 --> 31:17.260 And I'm hoping that the correlation nonprofit corporation that we created will someday find 31:17.980 --> 31:24.620 you know, donors and we need to be become sustainable within a couple of years or we'll just sink. 31:25.340 --> 31:29.100 Okay. And what does sustainability mean? You have to raise a million dollars a year or 31:29.100 --> 31:36.860 a dozen a year? No, no, no, it's very modest. I figure if we I mean, if we had a hundred K a 31:36.860 --> 31:41.900 year, we could do all the research that we have the time and the energy and intelligence to do. 31:41.900 --> 31:48.300 Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Okay. So we're bottle we're bottle necked right now with that with 31:48.300 --> 31:51.660 that funding. Yeah. Okay. So if anybody wants to 31:54.220 --> 32:00.860 where would they go to to contact you? Oh, well, they can start with looking at the correlation 32:00.860 --> 32:06.380 website. So it's correlation dash Canada. I want 100 k a year. That's all I'm asking for is 32:06.380 --> 32:11.020 they can cast a donation. Come on, no, they can look at the client, they mess in with me. 32:11.020 --> 32:15.340 And then if they're serious about making bank transfers or negotiating something, 32:15.340 --> 32:23.180 they can just contact us. Okay. So my next question is, how long have you been a misinformation 32:23.180 --> 32:31.340 spreader, Denny? All my life. No, I mean, well, how about 32:31.340 --> 32:39.020 so you you've realized that the narrative for your entire life, you you've realized that you've 32:39.020 --> 32:43.660 been lied to by the government? Yeah, I mean, I could go back to my childhood and I knew that 32:43.660 --> 32:47.100 the stories that adults wanted us to believe were not true. And I was very vocal about it and so on, 32:47.100 --> 32:52.700 you know, I mean, it starts young. And what was your first, you know, disillusionment? Was it like 32:52.700 --> 32:56.300 Santa Claus or what was the, you know, like that? Well, I wanted to have answers to everything. 32:56.300 --> 33:00.220 I wanted to have answers to everything from a very young age on, you know, I, I didn't tolerate 33:00.220 --> 33:05.900 very well when my parents couldn't give me answers to questions like, how did I get here? And, you 33:05.900 --> 33:10.140 know, what did they say? Yeah, what did they say? How did my mother was very religious? And so she 33:10.140 --> 33:15.180 would give me the religious explanation, which was of some satisfaction to me in my youth, you 33:15.180 --> 33:19.740 know, in my very young age. But but but it but it but it it appeased me, but it didn't answer my 33:19.740 --> 33:23.180 questions. And I kept the questions alive. And so when I eventually went into science, 33:24.860 --> 33:29.740 you know, as a young as a young man, I figured I need to get some answers here. And from what I've 33:29.740 --> 33:33.020 been studying and reading this, I decided this even in high school from what I've been studying 33:33.020 --> 33:35.900 and reading physics is the discipline where I'm most likely to be able to answer some of these 33:35.900 --> 33:41.420 questions. And that way I can, you know, get grants, be funded and try to figure this out. 33:41.420 --> 33:46.540 So that was the start of my interest in physics. But as an interdisciplinary scientist, I would 33:46.540 --> 33:51.020 often change fields. And every time I changed fields, I would discover that some some or the 33:51.020 --> 33:54.940 main paradigm in the field was incorrect. And I was very vocal about it. And so people would welcome 33:54.940 --> 33:57.820 me into the field. I would go to their conferences and then I would start asking questions and then 33:57.820 --> 34:02.940 I would point out that something didn't go well. And then sometimes they would excommunicate me 34:02.940 --> 34:06.700 and call me on the phone and yell at me that none of my students would ever get jobs and that they 34:06.700 --> 34:10.300 would never recommend me to speak at a conference, etc. etc. If I publish this next paper that I then 34:10.300 --> 34:14.780 would publish and or or they would say, wow, this is great. We're really happy because it 34:14.780 --> 34:18.540 contradicts our main competitor. And we don't like these guys and they're getting most of the 34:18.540 --> 34:21.180 funding right now. So we're going to invite you to conferences and you're going to be our guy 34:21.180 --> 34:24.780 because you are, you know, really smart and you're able to prove that they're wrong. So let's go. 34:24.780 --> 34:29.340 So I found that I would get, I would get noticed and attention and become part of the in-circle 34:29.340 --> 34:33.580 if I was, if the research that I was doing authentically was against a group that some 34:33.580 --> 34:38.860 others wanted to attack, you see. Yeah, got it. Got it. Yeah. Okay. So we're in your career. Yes. 34:38.860 --> 34:42.620 Have you have you ever found something that? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. This is wrong. 34:42.700 --> 34:47.100 Yeah. You said it was wrong. No, no, wait, wait, wait. And that nobody benefited from this and 34:47.100 --> 34:51.420 they embraced you. You know, for example, you suppose you were looking at autism and you found 34:51.420 --> 34:57.180 that, Oh, vaccines cause autism and you published a paper on it. Were you ever embraced by the 34:57.180 --> 35:01.340 scientific community? Because oh my gosh, you know, we've been struggling for whether vaccines 35:01.340 --> 35:06.380 cause autism are not for for tens of years. Yeah. You've you have a question. Right. 35:06.380 --> 35:11.660 So I understand and become known and recognized on a speaker at conferences in the new field. 35:11.660 --> 35:15.420 Maybe in my career, I don't know, five or six times. I'm very interdisciplinary. And I, 35:15.420 --> 35:19.260 it's very broad what I've covered everything from planetary science to theoretical physics. 35:19.260 --> 35:23.020 You name it. So I have never encountered a situation where people were happy because 35:23.020 --> 35:27.740 I'd actually discovered something. So what you have to understand is that scientists are looking 35:27.740 --> 35:33.980 for funds, grants, and social status and social status within the discipline and power and influence. 35:33.980 --> 35:37.420 And that's what they're looking for. And the bigger you are, the more you're looking for that. 35:37.500 --> 35:42.380 And so we at one point, we did make a major discovery. We solved a long standing problem in physics. 35:42.380 --> 35:46.620 My students and I, and we after, you know, almost a decade of working on it on and off with other 35:46.620 --> 35:51.260 projects, we solved it. We started trying to write about it. We submitted to the top journals. 35:51.260 --> 35:54.860 The reviewers wouldn't have it. We ended up having to submit to more specialized journals. 35:54.860 --> 35:59.420 It got published. Then a few people who didn't quite like the leaders in the field got us into 35:59.420 --> 36:04.140 a few of the conferences. Well, it was so antagonistic that a very brilliant student of mine who had 36:04.140 --> 36:08.460 worked with me on this problem gave up physics. He just went into the private sector. Yeah. 36:08.460 --> 36:12.300 And I at that point, essentially disillusioned by the response because it should have been a 36:12.300 --> 36:16.780 scientific response and it wasn't exactly. And I discovered then finally after, you know, 36:16.780 --> 36:21.420 I was in maybe mid career and I thought, wow, they don't want to know. They are not interested 36:21.420 --> 36:26.460 whatsoever. And at that point, I stopped putting my emphasis on physics and I shifted my research 36:26.460 --> 36:30.620 towards environmental science, environmental biogeochemistry. And I started learning about 36:30.620 --> 36:34.380 bacteria and nanoparticles in the environment and that kind of stuff and became really well 36:34.380 --> 36:37.900 known in that field and invited at conferences and everything. But I just was so disgusted 36:37.900 --> 36:42.300 with the whole thing. I mean, we solved an important problem. And it was a lot of fun. 36:42.300 --> 36:45.660 And intellectually, it was very stimulating. And I discovered that nobody wanted to know the answer. 36:46.300 --> 36:51.020 Can you tell us what the problem and answer was? I can tell you what the problem was, but 36:51.020 --> 36:55.500 the answer is let's say complex. But could you simplify it for our audience and do it in like 36:55.500 --> 37:00.300 two minutes? Yeah. So there is a metallic alloy that exists in the world that was discovered 37:00.300 --> 37:03.580 by a man named Guillaume, who won the Nobel Prize for discovering it. And it's called 37:03.580 --> 37:07.180 Envar. And that comes from the word invariable. And that's because it does not have thermal 37:07.180 --> 37:11.660 expansion. So it is a metallic alloy that you can use in manufacturing that has no thermal 37:11.660 --> 37:16.220 expansion at the temperature. Yeah, it was an amazing discovery. And it became it became a 37:16.220 --> 37:20.380 challenge for physicists and material scientists to understand why. What is the mechanism whereby 37:20.380 --> 37:25.020 this apparently simple metallic alloy has no thermal expansion? And that became known as the Envar 37:25.020 --> 37:31.820 problem. And it's been around for 100 years or more. And my team and I proved that every single 37:31.820 --> 37:37.260 dominant hypothesis and theory about why it operated could be proven experimentally to be wrong. 37:37.260 --> 37:41.420 Wow. And we postulated a solution that was consistent with everything. And we did theoretical 37:41.420 --> 37:46.220 calculations to show that our solution actually worked on the basis of quantum mechanics. And 37:46.220 --> 37:49.340 we did that. And we were published. One of the papers was published in Physical Review B, 37:49.340 --> 37:53.260 which is a top physics journal and so on. And then the people in the field, there were hundreds 37:53.260 --> 37:57.100 of researchers in the field, they wouldn't read it. They didn't care. They would keep 37:57.100 --> 38:02.540 pushing their own theories and so on. So we were really upset with it. So I remember discovering 38:02.540 --> 38:07.580 the effect. I remember I was in my office and I've been struggling with how this works for like 38:07.580 --> 38:15.420 a decade. And I finally clicked on a key aspect of the problem. And I ran down to my lab where 38:15.420 --> 38:18.220 there was a few students working late that night. And I said to one of them, and I remember him, 38:18.220 --> 38:21.500 he's in contact with me on Twitter now. His name is Ricardo. And I said Ricardo, 38:21.500 --> 38:24.620 I said, I just figured out the in-part problem. I think I've got it now. This is it. We're going 38:24.620 --> 38:27.900 to write a paper right away. And Ricardo wasn't working on the in-part problem. He was working on 38:27.900 --> 38:31.820 something else. And he looked at me and he made a big smile and he said, well, that's great to me. 38:31.820 --> 38:34.540 And he didn't ask me what it was about. He didn't ask me to explain it or anything. He just said, 38:34.540 --> 38:37.180 that's great. I'm happy for you. And now I'm just going to keep doing my stuff, right? 38:37.980 --> 38:42.460 So I thought, wow, even the people in my inner circle don't care, right? It's time to go into 38:42.460 --> 38:45.740 environmental science and I always did that kind of thing. Okay. So can you tell us what the 38:45.740 --> 38:50.780 solution is? Why doesn't it expand? Yeah. And did you actually do an experiment to confirm? 38:50.780 --> 38:55.100 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This was the correct mechanism? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We did lots of experiments. 38:55.100 --> 38:57.180 Okay. So what's the answer? Why doesn't it expand? 38:59.900 --> 39:04.140 How do you put this in a few words? The magnetic structure of this alloy is one where 39:04.860 --> 39:10.540 some of the magnetic links between neighboring iron atoms in this metallic alloy couple, 39:10.540 --> 39:13.980 in such a way that the little magnetic moments on the atoms are opposite each other. This is 39:13.980 --> 39:20.300 kind of local anti-feral magnetism. Okay. And this is how they want to be, but because of other 39:20.300 --> 39:25.260 neighboring atoms in the alloy, they're forced to be aligned. And because they're forced to be 39:25.260 --> 39:33.980 aligned, they, they repel each other to not be as aligned as they would be. And as a result, 39:33.980 --> 39:39.500 that repulsion cancels the contraction that you get when you, when you cool. Okay. And it 39:39.500 --> 39:43.340 exactly cancels. And you say you have to have exactly the right, we call it magnetic frustration. 39:43.340 --> 39:47.740 You have to have exactly the right kind of topological mixture of these moments fighting it out within 39:47.820 --> 39:52.380 the material and, and, and so on. So I, I use that when I, then I discovered it basically a 39:52.380 --> 39:56.700 perfect storm. Yeah, that's the, that's the kind of thing it is. And then I, that knowledge, 39:56.700 --> 40:02.380 I was able to use to demonstrate the magnetic solitons, why, why and how they move and how you 40:02.380 --> 40:06.460 can explain how they change the effects of magnetic materials. And that's what that paper is what 40:06.460 --> 40:09.260 eventually got me hired at the University of Ottawa. Wow. So anyway, that's, that's, that's 40:09.260 --> 40:13.500 the kind of thing. That's awesome. Okay. So let's switch back to, uh, to COVID vaccines. 40:13.500 --> 40:16.700 So are there any benefits from the COVID vaccine? Do you think there are any benefits whatsoever 40:16.700 --> 40:19.260 from the COVID vaccine infection, hospitalization, or mortality? 40:20.060 --> 40:27.580 48, did you, did you find any 48 minutes in? We are finally back to the COVID vaccines and we are 40:27.580 --> 40:36.540 asking if the COVID vaccines have any benefit. Um, so again, 48 minutes in, we're finally back to 40:36.540 --> 40:43.260 this. And now hopefully we're going to eventually get to the data besides the 17 million people 40:44.140 --> 40:50.220 in the shot. Anything that shows a core benefit. You see, Steve, there's a premise in your question 40:50.220 --> 40:54.380 that I don't agree with. Okay. And the premise in your question that I don't agree with is that 40:54.380 --> 41:00.300 there was out there something to get a benefit. Something? No, no, I'm not assuming. No, but I don't 41:00.300 --> 41:04.060 think there's an benefit at all. I just, no, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to be objective and say, 41:04.060 --> 41:09.180 let me explain the benefits of your question is. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. So our work has shown 41:09.820 --> 41:14.860 conclusively that there was no particularly virulent pathogen. I don't care if it leaked from a lab 41:14.860 --> 41:20.220 or if it arose naturally or anything like that, there was no particularly virulent pathogen. 41:20.220 --> 41:25.020 And there was nothing spreading. We can prove that there is no spread here. So there is no 41:25.020 --> 41:30.460 spreading. And the patterns of mortality are inconsistent at odds with the accepted theory of 41:30.460 --> 41:35.980 spread and epidemiology for a respiratory disease. And they are in can only be explained if you 41:36.060 --> 41:41.340 acknowledge that excess mortality occurred when you assaulted people. And assaulting people is 41:41.340 --> 41:46.220 not just by vaccines. The a lot of the very vicious assaults were simply the protocol, the 41:46.220 --> 41:52.380 treatment protocols. Absolutely totally. So we can correlate, we've shown maps and little 41:52.380 --> 41:55.740 gif films and everything where you try to see a spread and you don't see it. What you see instead 41:55.740 --> 41:59.980 is apply this protocol, big peak and mortality doesn't spread, doesn't exist anywhere where you 41:59.980 --> 42:03.500 don't apply the protocol, etc. Especially in adjacent countries, you'll have adjacent countries 42:03.500 --> 42:06.380 where it's where high mortality and the country next door has nothing. 42:06.380 --> 42:11.740 Exactly. So I think we were the ones who really argued that and who really showed it. And starting 42:11.740 --> 42:16.220 in starting in our first paper, the second of June 2020. You'll remember that one where we argued 42:16.220 --> 42:21.020 that this was a mass homicide, that the peaks that were occurring, that the virus was way 2020. 42:21.020 --> 42:25.980 We were the ones who really argued that and who really showed it. And starting in starting in 42:25.980 --> 42:30.300 our first paper, the second of June 2020, you'll remember that one, where we argued that this was 42:30.300 --> 42:34.380 a mass homicide, that the peaks that were occurring, that the virus was waiting for the 42:34.380 --> 42:37.180 political announcement of a pandemic before it decided to kill anyone. Exactly. 42:37.180 --> 42:43.740 There's nothing happening on China. Yeah, the virus is very smart. Yeah. And Steve was so aware 42:43.740 --> 42:50.540 of this virus being very smart that he started the, the, the early treatment foundation or whatever 42:50.540 --> 42:55.660 the hell it was called and organized, you know, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars 42:55.660 --> 43:01.340 for the research and funding of early treatment for this, you know, nothing burger that there 43:01.340 --> 43:08.700 is no evidence of spread. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And in June of 2020, 43:08.700 --> 43:13.660 he put out a paper that showed that there was no, it was just a mass casualty event. 43:13.660 --> 43:16.300 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 43:16.300 --> 43:23.500 Yeah. That's why Steve has spent the last four years talking about this, right, Steve? 43:27.500 --> 43:30.620 It's listed, the virus listens to the mainstream media and then decides whether to kill people or 43:30.620 --> 43:35.420 not. It is a political virus. And not only that, when the virus is created, it's created with a 43:35.420 --> 43:40.060 passport. So it does not cross jurisdictions between states, between provinces, between 43:40.060 --> 43:44.300 countries, it does, it has completely different behaviors depending on which passport it has. 43:44.380 --> 43:48.220 Yes. And it can cause incredible mass amounts of deaths in one place. And as you said, 43:48.220 --> 43:51.900 right beside it, nothing but then later, a year later in that place, a big peak that corresponds 43:51.900 --> 43:55.820 to what they're doing now, you see. Yeah. So we have demonstrated that there, there is, there was 43:55.820 --> 44:00.380 nothing to be saved from other than the medical establishment and governments that we need to 44:00.380 --> 44:03.500 be saved from those things. Right. And so if you want to make a vaccine to save us 44:07.420 --> 44:13.900 from those things, it has to be a difficult, difficult, the treatment protocols. Absolutely. 44:13.900 --> 44:23.100 Totally. We can prove that there is no spread here. So there is no spreading. And the patterns 44:23.100 --> 44:30.780 of mortality are inconsistent at odds with the accepted theory of spread and epidemiology for 44:30.780 --> 44:38.940 a respiratory disease. And they are in, can only be explained if you acknowledge that excess 44:39.020 --> 44:47.260 mortality occurred when you assaulted people. And assaulting people is not just by vaccines. 44:47.820 --> 44:53.500 The, a lot of the very vicious assaults were simply the protocol, the treatment protocols. 44:53.500 --> 45:00.940 Absolutely. Totally. So we can correlate, we can, we've shown maps and, and, and, and little 45:01.740 --> 45:06.620 GIF films and everything where you try to see a spread and you don't see it. What you see instead 45:06.700 --> 45:13.100 is apply this protocol, big peak in mortality, doesn't spread, doesn't exist anywhere where you 45:13.100 --> 45:18.380 don't apply the protocol, etc. Right. So especially adjacent countries, you'll have adjacent countries 45:18.380 --> 45:24.540 where, where high mortality and the country next door has nothing. Exactly. So I, I think we, 45:24.540 --> 45:31.980 we were the ones who really argued that and who really showed it. And starting in, starting in 45:31.980 --> 45:38.380 our first paper, the 2nd of June, 2020, you'll remember that one, where we argued that this was 45:38.380 --> 45:44.940 a mass homicide, that the peaks that were occurring, that the virus was waiting for the political 45:44.940 --> 45:50.220 announcement of a pandemic before it decided to kill anyone. Exactly. Nothing happening 45:50.780 --> 45:54.540 until the virus is cleared a pandemic. Yeah, the virus is very smart. 45:55.260 --> 46:01.420 Yeah. He keeps trying to interrupt him. And he keeps trying to claim in a really annoying sort 46:01.420 --> 46:08.700 of Brett Weinstein kind of way that he's always known that. That's why it took him so long to come 46:08.700 --> 46:17.500 out and say this, right? That's why it's taken him until now to say it, right? 50 minutes into his 46:17.500 --> 46:23.180 podcast, he's decided to say it. It was more important for him to first tell us a story about 46:23.180 --> 46:27.180 whatever he told us a story about that I can't even remember something about a lawyer 46:28.140 --> 46:36.700 instead of letting this man talk instead of getting this guy's message out succinctly and 46:36.700 --> 46:49.020 cleanly as possible. It is absolutely appalling to watch this egomaniac work his his enchantment 46:51.100 --> 46:55.020 where it's is it supposed to be some kind of privilege to hang out with him. That's why he 46:55.100 --> 47:02.300 can eat while he podcasts with people. Why he can ask how they make their living. How do you 47:02.300 --> 47:11.100 make your money? Did he really ask him that? He really wanted to tell him him to tell him how 47:11.100 --> 47:21.420 much he settled for. She whiz. Now you ask why I didn't sign an NDA and take $8,000 as I left 47:22.380 --> 47:25.020 or was laid off from CHD. 47:28.780 --> 47:33.340 Now you know, because I would interview with somebody like Steve Kirsch and he would be all, 47:33.340 --> 47:38.060 oh, well, I guess it was pretty good. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Why do you make a living now? Oh, yeah. 47:43.340 --> 47:46.140 This is the worst. This is the worst because 47:46.140 --> 47:53.740 Denny's trying his best. Denny's doing his best. Denny's being a gentleman and he's getting it 47:53.740 --> 48:00.940 out there. There's no evidence of spread. First paper 2nd of June 2020. Mass homicide. Excess 48:00.940 --> 48:07.180 mortality happens not only with transfection, but whenever the protocols are released in different 48:07.260 --> 48:16.860 places, perfectly said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah. Like you've ever said that, Steve. 48:17.980 --> 48:22.540 It's listed the virus listens to the mainstream media and then decides whether to kill people or 48:22.540 --> 48:29.740 not. It is a political virus. And not only that, when the virus is created, it's created with a 48:29.740 --> 48:36.780 passport. So it does not cross jurisdictions between states, between provinces, between 48:36.780 --> 48:42.540 countries. It does, it has completely different behaviors depending on which passport it has. 48:43.180 --> 48:49.100 Yes. And it can cause incredible mass amounts of deaths in one place. And as you said, right 48:49.100 --> 48:54.540 beside it, nothing. But then later, a year later in that place, a big peak that corresponds to 48:54.540 --> 49:00.380 what they're doing now, you see. Yeah. So we have demonstrated that there, there is, there was 49:00.380 --> 49:07.260 nothing to be saved from other than the medical establishment and governments that we needed to 49:07.260 --> 49:12.300 be saved from those things. Right. And so if you want to make a vaccine to save us from those 49:12.300 --> 49:18.860 things, it has to be a very toxic vaccine that you inject into the people who want to do that. 49:20.060 --> 49:24.780 It has to be a, wait a minute, it has to be a toxic vaccine that would save us from the assaults 49:24.780 --> 49:30.860 that they're, that they're, Oh, you mean you have to basically kill people with the vaccine 49:31.580 --> 49:36.860 so that you're saving them from the assaults by the government? Yes. No, he meant, 49:38.060 --> 49:42.220 no, he meant you would use the vaccine on the people in government. You dork, 49:43.100 --> 49:47.660 you use the vaccine on the people that would want to do this and then you make it really toxic. 49:47.660 --> 49:53.820 That's what he said. Man, oh man, you think the guy that invented the optic mouse would be able to 49:53.820 --> 50:01.420 have a conversation. My goodness. That's a convoluted joke. Okay, wait, yeah, yeah, got it. But 50:01.980 --> 50:09.580 as far as you can tell, there was no benefit from the vaccine from these vaccines. Is that a fair 50:09.580 --> 50:17.100 statement? There was nothing to be saved from. There was nothing out there to be saved from. 50:17.900 --> 50:27.900 That could be solved by the vaccine. There are people did get Steve is having a little bit of 50:27.900 --> 50:35.020 a breakdown. I might need to load up. I don't know how I don't have the old. I don't have the old 50:35.020 --> 50:46.940 file here. Shoot, I got to change that. I don't have my. No, I don't have my my funny sound effect. 50:47.260 --> 50:52.460 There would be with the oblivion sound effects that would help a little bit because I think Steve 50:52.460 --> 51:01.340 is about to have a little tiny bit of a there's going to be some kind of gear grinding here. Hold on 51:01.340 --> 51:06.060 infected with COVID. Right. Some people were infected with COVID. Here we go. Is that a fair 51:06.060 --> 51:13.900 statement that you're saving them from the assaults by the government? Yes. Okay. All right. But 51:13.900 --> 51:20.220 sorry. That's a complicated joke. Okay. Wait. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. But as far as you can tell, 51:20.220 --> 51:26.620 there was no benefit from the vaccine from these vaccines. Is that a fair statement? 51:29.340 --> 51:33.820 How could there be a benefit if there was nothing out there to be saved from? 51:34.620 --> 51:43.740 That could be solved by vaccine. There are people did get infected with COVID, right? 51:45.100 --> 51:51.660 I don't know. I have no evidence of that. Oh, I do. I mean, I got infected with COVID. 51:52.220 --> 51:59.660 I had a lateral flow assay test. When I got sick and started having symptoms, my wife had symptoms, 51:59.740 --> 52:06.300 she checked herself positive. I then caught it from her. I started to have symptoms. I tested 52:06.300 --> 52:13.020 myself positive, treated myself with so he's told this story before that there was he actually 52:13.020 --> 52:20.940 witnessed a chain of infection, which included lateral flow tests that were positive for his 52:20.940 --> 52:28.220 wife before they were positive for him. And that temporal positivity indicates, you know, 52:28.220 --> 52:35.580 along with the test, the testimony of symptoms indicates that indeed there was transmission in 52:35.580 --> 52:40.780 his household. So I hope that that Denny's going to take a swing at this one. It'll be interesting. 52:40.780 --> 52:45.500 I hope he just tells him, well, that could also just be random. How could there be a benefit 52:45.500 --> 52:53.740 if there was nothing out there to be saved from? That could be solved by vaccine. 52:54.700 --> 53:02.300 There are people did get infected with COVID, right? I don't know. I have no evidence of that. 53:02.300 --> 53:09.340 Oh, I do. I mean, I got infected with COVID. I had a lateral flow assay test. 53:10.780 --> 53:16.300 When I got sick and started having symptoms, my wife had symptoms, she checked herself positive. 53:16.940 --> 53:23.020 I then caught it from her. I started to have symptoms. I tested myself positive, treated my 53:23.100 --> 53:29.500 wife at symptoms. I mean, I got infected with COVID. I had a lateral flow assay test. 53:30.940 --> 53:38.620 I have no evidence of that. Listen carefully. I mean, I got infected with COVID. I had a lateral 53:38.620 --> 53:44.780 flow assay test. When I got sick and started having symptoms, my wife had symptoms, she checked 53:44.780 --> 53:51.500 herself positive. I then caught it from her. I started to have symptoms. I tested myself 53:51.500 --> 53:59.900 positive, treated myself with a recommended protocol. It took a couple of weeks for the 53:59.900 --> 54:04.140 test to go negative. The test was indicating something that was correlated with mine. 54:04.140 --> 54:10.940 It was indicating something. Look, I don't question that these PCR tests as bad as they are. 54:10.940 --> 54:13.660 Well, there's not a PCR test. There's a lateral flow assay test. 54:13.660 --> 54:22.140 Okay. What was it measuring? Anybody's or presence of antigen? 54:26.940 --> 54:32.220 A lot of tests were approved for presence of antigen. 54:37.020 --> 54:39.900 A lot of tests were approved on an emergency base. 54:40.060 --> 54:52.620 A lot of tests were approved on an emergency basis and are completely unreliable. I've written 54:52.620 --> 55:00.780 about that. But your personal experience and how you understand it is not something that we can 55:00.780 --> 55:09.100 debate. But people get sick all the time. There are viral respiratory problems of all kinds 55:09.100 --> 55:18.780 all the time in so-called influenza, which they supposedly can test for, can cause you to have 55:18.780 --> 55:25.420 memory loss, loss of taste. All the weird symptoms that people are talking about have 55:25.420 --> 55:33.420 occurred and are documented. I don't know. I'm not personally convinced that there was something 55:33.500 --> 55:39.500 particularly new or special. I'm just telling you my position. 55:42.780 --> 55:49.340 Sure. The other thing is I have looked at the scientific literature and continue to research 55:49.340 --> 55:58.780 it for firm evidence that it has been demonstrated that you can spread a viral respiratory disease. 55:58.780 --> 56:05.100 In other words, that you can cause infection in a person using a virus. And I have not found 56:05.100 --> 56:13.660 any scientifically. Okay. For example, if you look at the work of Professor Sheldon Cohen, 56:13.660 --> 56:21.180 an American who spent his entire career trying to infect college age university students in the 56:21.180 --> 56:26.940 US when you were allowed to do that with what he thought was influenza. He had, you know, he had 56:26.940 --> 56:32.940 cultures, he was culturing this stuff and he would put the fluid, either vaporize it into their 56:32.940 --> 56:39.500 into their noses or deposit it or drop it in or into their eyes into their nose every way that he 56:39.500 --> 56:50.940 could. Did he try injecting it? No. And he, no, he's not injecting, he's trying to stimulate how 56:50.940 --> 56:57.580 you would catch it. You know, that the idea, what he found was, and this is really important. 56:58.460 --> 57:08.300 The people who got sick are the ones who had a significant psychological stress in their life. 57:08.300 --> 57:14.140 Wow. And this, these were the biggest factors that determined whether or not you were going to get 57:14.140 --> 57:20.780 sick is psychological stress that you were experiencing in your life and social isolation. 57:21.500 --> 57:25.740 So the college students that were didn't have a big social network and were socially isolated. 57:25.740 --> 57:33.260 Wow. And, and, and were stressed, they got sick and the more isolated and the more stressed they were, 57:33.260 --> 57:39.420 the sicker they got when they did get sick. But there was no relation to the, to what he was 57:39.420 --> 57:44.460 trying to do. Yeah. No, that's right. That's fascinating. And there are many, many studies 57:44.460 --> 57:50.380 like this. There are studies. Dennis sounds like Denny sounds like he's a no virus guy now. 57:51.340 --> 57:55.900 Denny sounds like he doubts the transmissibility of RNA pathogens. Uh oh. 57:56.860 --> 58:03.180 There were at the turn of the century, there was an island in the US where they had a lot of military 58:03.180 --> 58:10.940 personnel and they decided to do an experiment to see if the 1918 contagion would spread and 58:10.940 --> 58:16.060 they couldn't get it to spread. They were, they were, they were forcing the soldiers to be in the 58:16.060 --> 58:21.740 same bunks and then sleeping side by side and you know, they may have asked them to kiss. I don't 58:21.740 --> 58:26.460 know. But they couldn't get the thing to spread. There was like thousands of soldiers on this isolated 58:26.540 --> 58:31.660 island. Right. And they could never get us. Yeah, but you, but you have it there. There are many, 58:31.660 --> 58:38.140 there are many, uh, yeah, but yeah, but yeah, but I mean, conversely, yeah, but yeah, but 58:38.140 --> 58:43.980 conversely, you have lots of examples where doctors swear that yeah, but it happened in my house. 58:47.100 --> 58:52.780 Epidemologists through, throughout the last 100 years who have written on the basis of their 58:52.780 --> 58:59.740 careers that these things don't spread. Right. Okay. There's conversely, what about the cruise 58:59.740 --> 59:06.860 ships? You know, we had these cruise ships where someone, someone, someone was, was diagnosed with 59:06.860 --> 59:12.780 COVID. And so they, they locked down the whole cruise ship. And then, uh, days later, you have 59:12.780 --> 59:19.660 hundreds of people on the cruise ship that now have, uh, you know, they, they turn positive. So 59:19.660 --> 59:25.020 how do, how do you explain that? Oh, here we go. It's not hard to explain that you just have to, 59:25.020 --> 59:29.500 have to admit that it cannot, that it doesn't have to be explained by the spread hypothesis. 59:30.460 --> 59:33.820 And, and the epidemologists have been saying this for a hundred years. They said, look, 59:36.700 --> 59:45.180 look, it's grinding right now. Oh, it hurts. Oh, yeah, but we know the phenomenon that in the same 59:45.260 --> 59:51.660 household, people will often get a similar respiratory disease. That does not spread. That 59:51.660 --> 59:57.500 proves that these individuals are subjected to the same conditions and are subjected to each 59:57.500 --> 01:00:03.980 other's stress and are subjected, you know, and so that, that there's the ability to it. This, 01:00:03.980 --> 01:00:09.260 I mean, you've got a bunch of old people locked onto a ship. What do you think's going to happen? 01:00:09.340 --> 01:00:15.820 All right. Okay. So I'm going to switch topics real quick. Um, yeah, with respect to, to COVID. 01:00:15.820 --> 01:00:22.700 Okay. So, um, I'll claim so we can have a discussion about it. Uh, and, and I actually actually believe 01:00:22.700 --> 01:00:29.500 this, that, that there is a COVID virus that has been sequenced. It's in GenBank and it's unique. 01:00:29.500 --> 01:00:36.380 And it's a, it's a novel, uh, viral pathogen. Okay. True. 01:00:36.940 --> 01:00:42.620 Oh, he's taking the Kevin McCurran position, taking the high road. Here he goes. 01:00:43.420 --> 01:00:49.020 Standing behind a whole wall of Illumina sequencers humming away. It must be true. 01:00:49.820 --> 01:00:58.380 Agree or agree or disagree? Agree or disagree? I do. COVID-19 is a real virus. Agree or disagree. 01:01:00.300 --> 01:01:03.340 Oh, man. I didn't, I ran out of time. I'm sorry. It was too much pressure. 01:01:07.340 --> 01:01:12.860 What an interview this is. Why don't you get another bowl of pasta or something and let Dennis talk? 01:01:13.180 --> 01:01:18.380 Uh, and, and I actually actually believe this, that, that there is a COVID virus that has been 01:01:18.380 --> 01:01:24.700 sequenced. It's in GenBank and it's unique. And it's, you, it's a novel, uh, switch topic. 01:01:24.700 --> 01:01:30.860 Is this a, is this a testament of faith? I actually believe this says, says Steve Kirsch. 01:01:30.860 --> 01:01:36.140 Stop lying. Listen to this. Um, yeah. Uh, with respect to, uh, COVID. 01:01:36.220 --> 01:01:42.700 Okay. So, uh, I'll claim so we can have a discussion about it. Uh, and, and I actually, 01:01:42.700 --> 01:01:47.580 actually believe this, that I'll claim and I actually believe this. I'll claim it so we can 01:01:47.580 --> 01:01:53.900 have a discussion about it, but I actually believe it. It's really a thing that I believe. 01:01:55.020 --> 01:01:59.020 I'd like to take this position because I want to have a discussion about it, but also 01:01:59.660 --> 01:02:04.620 because it's something that I believe. Well, interesting Steve. What an interesting thing to 01:02:04.620 --> 01:02:11.260 take a position on. This, I mean, you, you've got a bunch of old people locked onto a ship. 01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:15.980 What do you think's going to happen? All right. Okay. So I'm going to switch topics real quick. 01:02:16.700 --> 01:02:23.100 Yeah. Uh, with respect to COVID. Okay. So, oh my gosh, I almost twisted my mental ankles here 01:02:23.100 --> 01:02:28.300 because he twisted, he's changing topics so fast. It's like he, he crossed me out. I'll claim 01:02:28.860 --> 01:02:33.820 so we can have a discussion about it. Uh, and, and I actually actually believe this, that, that there 01:02:33.820 --> 01:02:40.860 is a COVID virus that has been sequenced. It's in GenBank and it's unique. And it's, you, it's a 01:02:40.860 --> 01:02:48.460 novel, uh, viral, uh, pathogen. Okay. True. Agree or agree or disagree? 01:02:49.260 --> 01:02:52.460 I, I do not. Well, let me put it this way. 01:02:54.540 --> 01:03:00.700 I have, I plan to get in there and find out exactly what they're doing. Okay. But 01:03:00.700 --> 01:03:06.380 in my beginning research, he plans to get in there, but he hasn't gotten in there yet. It's 01:03:06.380 --> 01:03:12.380 something that I also heard earlier that he from himself to me that he plans to do it. So I do look 01:03:12.380 --> 01:03:20.380 forward to him diving into it. So far, my deep dive into this whole thing has brought me out with 01:03:20.380 --> 01:03:26.140 several conclusions. Um, most of which revolve around the fact that a lot of these people are 01:03:26.140 --> 01:03:32.300 grossly overextended in what their fidelity of understanding is and what they claim it to be. 01:03:34.700 --> 01:03:40.460 I haven't, I haven't really met a person yet talking molecular biology with any kind of humility. 01:03:41.260 --> 01:03:51.260 It is the powerful molecular biological methodologies that are indisputable at this stage in Emily 01:03:51.260 --> 01:03:56.940 Cop's presentation. It is the molecular biology that's indisputable at this point 01:03:56.940 --> 01:04:04.220 when it comes to the extremely rare features of this novel coronavirus. And this rare features 01:04:04.220 --> 01:04:11.020 have been high fidelity sequenced millions of times in the last four years. And I believe this, 01:04:11.020 --> 01:04:15.980 I'm not just going to take this position. I actually believe this says Steve Kirsch. 01:04:16.940 --> 01:04:19.420 Do you agree or disagree? 01:04:24.700 --> 01:04:32.220 I agree that it's remarkable that we claim to have produced 15 million snapshots of a 01:04:32.220 --> 01:04:39.020 continuously evolving genome, which supposedly hijacks our own cellular machinery to replicate 01:04:39.020 --> 01:04:45.660 itself. And it has done so successfully over the last five years that we've been able to track 01:04:45.740 --> 01:04:54.380 several waves of genetic mutation as they cross the Earth, as they cross the Earth. And the only 01:04:54.380 --> 01:05:00.940 reason why these genetic mutations so uniformly cross the Earth is because we're such a globally 01:05:00.940 --> 01:05:07.660 connected society with an interlinked set of economies and a highly mobile population. 01:05:09.660 --> 01:05:15.100 Right, that's the mythology that we're arguing about here. That's the kind of thing that we're 01:05:15.180 --> 01:05:19.420 really trying to say here, right? That's what he wants you to agree or disagree. 01:05:20.220 --> 01:05:25.980 Which on the topic, what I'm finding is that the genetic sequencing methods are highly 01:05:26.700 --> 01:05:35.420 unreliable, patchy, fabricated. I mean, you name it. So, okay, you, you, you, 01:05:35.420 --> 01:05:43.900 Oh, we got to get Kevin McCurnan and, and, and Denny Rancor on the, on the Vaccine Safety Research 01:05:43.900 --> 01:05:48.700 Council podcast to let him duke it out there. And that'll be, that'll be pretty exciting. 01:05:49.740 --> 01:05:54.860 Wow, that'll be like Ryu and Ken on, uh, on Street Fighter. That'll be nuts. 01:05:54.860 --> 01:06:01.900 Do this. Like one, one, one area that I did do some reading on was this whole notion of these 01:06:01.900 --> 01:06:08.300 new variants of concern that are supposed to arise. Okay. The science of that, let me tell you, 01:06:08.300 --> 01:06:13.740 Steve, the science of that they never used to do this before, before COVID. And there are hardly 01:06:13.820 --> 01:06:18.300 no site, rigorous scientific papers that demonstrate that this is even a thing. 01:06:19.100 --> 01:06:24.300 What it is is government websites with nice graphs of prevalence of different variants. 01:06:24.300 --> 01:06:28.940 And when you look at the fine print and how they actually do this, what they do is they, 01:06:28.940 --> 01:06:33.660 they ask a bunch of labs to send in their genetic sequencing bits and pieces, 01:06:33.660 --> 01:06:40.460 and they look for pieces that are more common. And they assign that to a variant of concern. 01:06:41.100 --> 01:06:44.220 And they don't look at all the others anymore, even though they get hundreds, 01:06:44.220 --> 01:06:50.220 hundreds of different sequences and so on. And then they design a PCR that will detect those 01:06:50.220 --> 01:06:55.980 pieces in particular. And then they send those out for people to measure it. And then they confirm 01:06:55.980 --> 01:07:00.940 through that with a very small sample that that's the prevalent thing that's happening. And then 01:07:00.940 --> 01:07:07.420 they draw this beautiful graph. Now, I've, I've read the fine print. I've looked at the papers. 01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:12.060 I know a bit about, I know a lot about molecular science and how you measure things in science. 01:07:12.060 --> 01:07:17.580 Okay, I used to teach that at the gradual level. Yeah, I used to teach spectroscopy, 01:07:17.580 --> 01:07:23.580 diffraction microscopy. I had an electron microscope in my lab. I had spectrometers in my lab. I was 01:07:23.580 --> 01:07:29.100 the head researcher. I know about that stuff. Okay. And I can tell you, the science of these 01:07:29.100 --> 01:07:37.100 variants and their prevalence is garbage. It's garbage science. It has no value whatsoever. 01:07:37.100 --> 01:07:42.380 Now this could be something right here. This could be something because according to Kevin McCurnan, 01:07:42.380 --> 01:07:48.860 these 15 million sequences, whether you like it or not, whether some of them have been done with 01:07:48.860 --> 01:07:54.460 the Arctic primer set or not and have a bias because they were done with the Arctic primer set, 01:07:54.460 --> 01:07:58.540 you're going to have to accept the fact that a good portion of these have been done with good 01:07:58.540 --> 01:08:03.580 old-fashioned saying or sequencing. And that means you're just going to have to suck it up and believe 01:08:03.580 --> 01:08:11.500 that these things are real. Now we can go open his sub stack and you can read those words for yourself. 01:08:12.620 --> 01:08:17.340 But I assure you, that's the argument that he makes. He says that, yeah, there could be a lot 01:08:17.340 --> 01:08:22.940 of bias with PCR because we use the same primers or we use primers that are that are going to pick 01:08:22.940 --> 01:08:27.900 up things. And if they pick up things, then we're going to assume that it's picking up those things. 01:08:28.460 --> 01:08:34.700 And so that does bias this, but it's not everybody who's using the Arctic primers. Some people use 01:08:34.700 --> 01:08:42.540 saying or sequencing. I almost feel like we should look it up right now just so you see how 01:08:42.540 --> 01:08:49.260 intense this is right now. We are at the cusp of having somebody move this ball forward farther 01:08:49.260 --> 01:08:55.420 than it's ever moved before because we were pushing on the exact same part of the dam that 01:08:55.500 --> 01:09:02.380 he's now pushing up. This part where you say that this whole variant thing is way out of control. 01:09:02.380 --> 01:09:12.780 This next strain analysis is way out of control. They are implying a fidelity that is impossible 01:09:12.780 --> 01:09:22.380 for them to have. We know from attending the basic virology lectures of Vincent, 01:09:22.380 --> 01:09:31.660 Rach and yellow, that a consensus sequence is a consensus sequence that might not even exist 01:09:31.660 --> 01:09:40.300 in nature. It's like a best guess average. And yet these sequences are deposited into this website 01:09:40.300 --> 01:09:46.700 and charted on next strain as though they reflect a definitive molecule that has been found and 01:09:46.700 --> 01:09:56.140 purified. And of course, this is part of the sort of bedrock objections to this kind of discussion 01:09:56.140 --> 01:10:03.100 of virology that Stephen Lanka has been pushing forward for years that I suspect that Doosberg 01:10:03.100 --> 01:10:07.500 has been pushing forward for years. And now the latest people to push it are the Bailey's 01:10:08.060 --> 01:10:17.420 and and Kaufman and Colin who on most of these issues with regard to the actual RNA viruses, 01:10:17.420 --> 01:10:21.580 the stuff that they purport to find in the wild, they've always been 100% right. 01:10:24.940 --> 01:10:30.060 But don't tell me for one second that they've been playing this 100% for our grandchildren when 01:10:30.060 --> 01:10:37.420 they've also attached themselves to things like frozen water memory and tried to confuse frozen 01:10:37.500 --> 01:10:44.620 water emotional memory with the kind of electrostatic emotional memory residents that 01:10:45.260 --> 01:10:48.940 Luke Montane was trying to look at specifically with regard to DNA. 01:10:51.500 --> 01:10:57.580 So this is a really crucial time for us to be able to accurately remember what happened over 01:10:57.580 --> 01:11:06.220 the last four years because with a subtle tweak with just a guy goofing off on too much coffee 01:11:06.220 --> 01:11:13.340 going, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Claiming that he somehow knew that the protocols have 01:11:13.340 --> 01:11:18.140 always been murder and that he's regularly advocating for the justice that those families 01:11:18.140 --> 01:11:29.340 deserve when he's clearly not when he's not doing the addition subtraction multiplication 01:11:29.340 --> 01:11:33.500 and division that leads to the conclusion that if there was no evidence of spread, 01:11:33.820 --> 01:11:40.140 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The virus has passport. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 01:11:40.140 --> 01:11:46.860 I'm borders. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But if the virus isn't spreading, then what do we need early 01:11:46.860 --> 01:11:52.540 treatment funding for Steve? If the virus isn't spreading, then what do we need? What do we need 01:11:52.540 --> 01:11:58.540 two shots of Moderna for Steve? Why did your cleaner and the cleaner's husband and the cleaner's 01:11:58.540 --> 01:12:03.700 cousin die, Steve, if there was no spread and the protocols were the only thing that 01:12:03.700 --> 01:12:09.020 killing people that if you do all the addition and all the subtraction in the division and 01:12:09.020 --> 01:12:13.300 the math stuff, you know, that you're so good at because you got the New Zealand data and 01:12:13.300 --> 01:12:16.740 you've been analyzing that data in all different ways. 01:12:16.740 --> 01:12:22.580 Well, let's just do the basic math on all cause mortality on what happened in New York 01:12:22.580 --> 01:12:23.580 City. 01:12:23.580 --> 01:12:29.820 Jessica Hawkins data that she's been trying to get more thoroughly looked at. 01:12:29.820 --> 01:12:31.580 Not much math that you got to do there. 01:12:31.580 --> 01:12:36.540 That looks like a bomb. 01:12:36.540 --> 01:12:43.780 And so if there was no evidence of spread, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:12:43.780 --> 01:12:49.620 And yet you were involved in the funding early treatment and propelling this, this idea 01:12:49.620 --> 01:12:53.820 in the background that there was a national security priority that needed all hands on 01:12:53.820 --> 01:13:01.980 deck, including people scrambling to come up with patentable combinations of drugs under 01:13:01.980 --> 01:13:06.900 the guise of repurposed. 01:13:06.900 --> 01:13:16.420 I mean, ladies and gentlemen, this could be a moment here. 01:13:16.420 --> 01:13:20.900 Go get them, Danny, go get them, Danny, go get them, Danny. 01:13:20.900 --> 01:13:25.460 I know a bit about, I know a lot about molecular science and how you measure things in science. 01:13:25.460 --> 01:13:28.740 Okay, I used to teach that at the gradual level. 01:13:28.740 --> 01:13:34.300 I used to teach spectroscopy, diffraction, microscopy, I had an electron microscope in 01:13:34.300 --> 01:13:35.300 my lab. 01:13:35.300 --> 01:13:36.660 I had spectrometers in my lab. 01:13:36.660 --> 01:13:38.300 I was the head researcher. 01:13:38.300 --> 01:13:39.580 I know about that stuff. 01:13:39.580 --> 01:13:40.580 Okay. 01:13:40.580 --> 01:13:45.940 And I can tell you the science of these variants and their prevalence is garbage. 01:13:45.940 --> 01:13:47.940 It has no value. 01:13:47.940 --> 01:13:48.940 Yeah. 01:13:48.940 --> 01:13:49.940 Yeah. 01:13:49.940 --> 01:13:50.940 Yeah. 01:13:50.940 --> 01:13:51.940 Yeah. 01:13:51.940 --> 01:13:52.940 Yeah. 01:13:52.940 --> 01:13:53.940 Yeah. 01:13:53.940 --> 01:13:54.940 Yeah. 01:13:54.940 --> 01:13:55.940 Yeah. 01:13:55.940 --> 01:13:56.940 Right. 01:13:56.940 --> 01:13:57.940 Yeah. 01:13:57.940 --> 01:13:58.940 Variants are garbage. 01:13:58.940 --> 01:13:59.940 Yeah. 01:13:59.940 --> 01:14:00.940 Right. 01:14:00.940 --> 01:14:01.940 Yeah. 01:14:01.940 --> 01:14:03.940 CDC official says, Oh, at that time it was Omicron. 01:14:03.940 --> 01:14:05.940 Oh, at that time it was Delta. 01:14:05.940 --> 01:14:06.940 It's crap. 01:14:06.940 --> 01:14:08.940 It's complete nonsense. 01:14:08.940 --> 01:14:11.940 You're in a, we're in Lala land here. 01:14:11.940 --> 01:14:12.940 Okay. 01:14:12.940 --> 01:14:13.940 Okay. 01:14:13.940 --> 01:14:14.940 So that. 01:14:14.940 --> 01:14:15.940 Where's yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:14:15.940 --> 01:14:16.940 Oh, I get it. 01:14:16.940 --> 01:14:17.940 I understand. 01:14:17.940 --> 01:14:18.940 Yeah. 01:14:18.940 --> 01:14:19.940 Yeah. 01:14:19.940 --> 01:14:20.940 Yeah. 01:14:20.940 --> 01:14:21.940 Where is that? 01:14:21.940 --> 01:14:23.940 We got to move on quick, I think. 01:14:23.940 --> 01:14:25.940 Oh, at that time it was Delta. 01:14:25.940 --> 01:14:26.940 It's crap. 01:14:26.940 --> 01:14:28.940 It's complete nonsense. 01:14:28.940 --> 01:14:31.940 You're in a, we're in Lala land here. 01:14:31.940 --> 01:14:32.940 Okay. 01:14:32.940 --> 01:14:33.940 Okay. 01:14:33.940 --> 01:14:35.940 So, so that's the variance in. 01:14:35.940 --> 01:14:36.940 Okay. 01:14:36.940 --> 01:14:38.940 But getting back to my original question. 01:14:38.940 --> 01:14:42.940 Do you believe that there was a novel pathogen that was introduced into the world. 01:14:42.940 --> 01:14:43.940 Somewhere around. 01:14:43.940 --> 01:14:45.940 Yeah, 2020. 01:14:45.940 --> 01:14:53.940 You know, honor, honor. 01:14:53.940 --> 01:14:55.940 Do you believe. 01:14:55.940 --> 01:14:59.940 Do you believe in the novel pathogen? 01:14:59.940 --> 01:15:02.940 Tell me now, do you believe? 01:15:02.940 --> 01:15:07.940 Because if you're not going to profess your faith, you can leave this temple now. 01:15:08.940 --> 01:15:09.940 About 2020. 01:15:09.940 --> 01:15:12.940 Do you believe that a novel pathogen? 01:15:12.940 --> 01:15:16.940 At this stage of my, at this stage of my study. 01:15:16.940 --> 01:15:20.940 I am not at all convinced that viruses. 01:15:20.940 --> 01:15:22.940 Has a. 01:15:22.940 --> 01:15:25.940 Pandemic causing agent exist. 01:15:25.940 --> 01:15:27.940 Oh, bingo. 01:15:27.940 --> 01:15:29.940 No, no, but that's not what it. 01:15:29.940 --> 01:15:31.940 But that's not what I asked. 01:15:31.940 --> 01:15:34.940 I asked whether there's a novel pathogen. 01:15:35.940 --> 01:15:37.940 That was introduced in 2020. 01:15:37.940 --> 01:15:39.940 Yes or no. 01:15:39.940 --> 01:15:41.940 I don't see any evidence for it. 01:15:41.940 --> 01:15:44.940 I don't see any reason to postulate that or any evidence for it. 01:15:44.940 --> 01:15:45.940 Okay. 01:15:45.940 --> 01:15:46.940 Okay. 01:15:46.940 --> 01:15:49.940 So now let me give you some evidence for it and let me see if you can go. 01:15:49.940 --> 01:15:51.940 Oh my gosh. 01:15:51.940 --> 01:15:55.940 This is totally going to be a wizard. 01:15:55.940 --> 01:15:57.940 This is going to be amazing. 01:15:57.940 --> 01:16:02.940 I almost feel like I need to find more, more to drink or something, but this is going to 01:16:02.940 --> 01:16:05.940 be amazing whether there's a novel pathogen. 01:16:05.940 --> 01:16:07.940 That was introduced in 2020. 01:16:07.940 --> 01:16:08.940 Yes or no. 01:16:08.940 --> 01:16:09.940 Get him Danny. 01:16:09.940 --> 01:16:11.940 I don't see any evidence for it. 01:16:11.940 --> 01:16:15.940 I don't see any reason to postulate that or any evidence for it. 01:16:15.940 --> 01:16:16.940 Okay. 01:16:16.940 --> 01:16:17.940 Okay. 01:16:17.940 --> 01:16:20.940 So now let me give you some evidence for it and let me see if you can go and 01:16:20.940 --> 01:16:24.940 dispute that evidence or agree with me because let me see if I can change your mind. 01:16:24.940 --> 01:16:25.940 Okay. 01:16:25.940 --> 01:16:26.940 I'm going to. 01:16:26.940 --> 01:16:27.940 I know this is hard. 01:16:27.940 --> 01:16:29.940 Now he's going to change bread into coronavirus. 01:16:30.940 --> 01:16:33.940 He's going to show him the proof. 01:16:33.940 --> 01:16:37.940 Because you're a smart guy. 01:16:37.940 --> 01:16:38.940 Okay. 01:16:38.940 --> 01:16:40.940 So talk to a paramedic. 01:16:40.940 --> 01:16:49.940 Oh, talk to a paramedic said, I've never seen anybody who, you know, they do these, the, the, um, 01:16:49.940 --> 01:16:52.940 SPO two measures, you know, they do that on the, on the finger. 01:16:52.940 --> 01:16:57.940 And is that something to do with the viscosity of blood or something like that? 01:16:57.940 --> 01:16:58.940 Yeah. 01:16:58.940 --> 01:16:59.940 Yeah. 01:16:59.940 --> 01:17:00.940 Yeah. 01:17:00.940 --> 01:17:01.940 Yeah. 01:17:01.940 --> 01:17:04.940 Well, um, the, the, the cause is we can, we can argue about that. 01:17:04.940 --> 01:17:09.940 But the point is that the paramedic has been doing his job for decades. 01:17:09.940 --> 01:17:10.940 Yes. 01:17:10.940 --> 01:17:16.940 He's never seen anybody survive with an SPO two of like 50. 01:17:16.940 --> 01:17:20.940 And so he's measuring these people with an SPO two of 50. 01:17:20.940 --> 01:17:24.940 And these people are like, you know, just like normal people. 01:17:24.940 --> 01:17:26.940 I'm not familiar with SPO. 01:17:26.940 --> 01:17:34.940 No, see, the question becomes, and, and if there's a paramedic in the audience or in the, in the chat, please, please tap it in. 01:17:34.940 --> 01:17:37.940 But is that a normal thing to do? 01:17:37.940 --> 01:17:46.940 Do you normally look at the blood oxygen level with a little infrared fingerprint on the way to the hospital? Is that a normal thing? 01:17:46.940 --> 01:17:49.940 Um, is that something that was standard before the pandemic? 01:17:49.940 --> 01:17:57.940 Or is that something of a device that they started selling us during the pandemic as something not only to move and buy? 01:17:57.940 --> 01:18:05.940 But to legitimize this idea that there are measurements to be made and, and other things besides, you know, putting a thermometer under your tongue. 01:18:05.940 --> 01:18:15.940 Because I kind of have the feeling that that's what that little device became is like this extra sort of, well, if you don't have one of those, you better get one of those. 01:18:15.940 --> 01:18:22.940 I still think just if you want any advice just for free advice, you know, this is a million dollar piece of advice. 01:18:22.940 --> 01:18:27.940 If you're going to give a gift to anybody who's having their first baby, please don't buy any bullshit. 01:18:27.940 --> 01:18:36.940 Just buy them a digital thermometer that can be swiped across the forehead or read the infrared in their ear. 01:18:36.940 --> 01:18:43.940 There's nothing better for a new parent than be able to check the temperature of a crying baby and at least know that it ain't that. 01:18:44.940 --> 01:18:45.940 Anyway, here we go. 01:18:45.940 --> 01:18:51.940 Two is I don't know if you're measuring oxygen, a dissolution in the blood or viscosity. 01:18:51.940 --> 01:18:53.940 I don't know what you're measuring there. 01:18:53.940 --> 01:18:55.940 Yeah, no, no, it's not it's not viscosity. 01:18:55.940 --> 01:18:57.940 It is the oxygen saturation of the blood. 01:18:57.940 --> 01:18:58.940 Okay. 01:18:58.940 --> 01:18:59.940 Okay. 01:18:59.940 --> 01:19:02.940 And so they have these these spio two meters. 01:19:02.940 --> 01:19:04.940 You haven't seen these faint these little devices. 01:19:04.940 --> 01:19:05.940 You stick on your finger. 01:19:05.940 --> 01:19:06.940 Yeah. 01:19:06.940 --> 01:19:07.940 Okay. 01:19:07.940 --> 01:19:08.940 Okay. 01:19:08.940 --> 01:19:16.940 So as a paramedic, but it's an SBO two meter, meaning that it uses a light to do something to measure your blood. 01:19:16.940 --> 01:19:17.940 It's not like it. 01:19:17.940 --> 01:19:20.940 It's it's got to be calibrated. 01:19:20.940 --> 01:19:22.940 It's got to have some kind of error range. 01:19:22.940 --> 01:19:27.940 You know, it's not some kind of ultra accurate thing because it's sampling your blood directly. 01:19:27.940 --> 01:19:28.940 I mean, so it's it's a little. 01:19:28.940 --> 01:19:30.940 It's a proxy measurement. 01:19:30.940 --> 01:19:31.940 Yes. 01:19:31.940 --> 01:19:33.940 He's never in his career. 01:19:33.940 --> 01:19:35.940 Nobody's ever heard of this stuff before. 01:19:35.940 --> 01:19:43.940 And with these COVID cases, he's saying these cases, the cases where there was a high value of this indicator. 01:19:43.940 --> 01:19:45.940 The person wasn't bad. 01:19:45.940 --> 01:19:46.940 What you're saying? 01:19:46.940 --> 01:19:51.940 Well, if if someone is an SBO two of, I will say Albert, I saw that. 01:19:51.940 --> 01:19:55.940 And I will say, Denny spoke to me in private. 01:19:55.940 --> 01:20:01.940 And when we talked about this 17 million number from his perspective, it's an ultra underestimate. 01:20:02.940 --> 01:20:05.940 He didn't want to have a high end estimate. 01:20:05.940 --> 01:20:11.940 Like it's it's definitely meant to be conservative so that, you know, it nobody could really. 01:20:11.940 --> 01:20:19.940 That's why the debate with Tracy Beth Hogue was so weird because he he or he could have easily. 01:20:19.940 --> 01:20:25.940 They could easily show that their their projection, you know, is is conservative. 01:20:25.940 --> 01:20:27.940 So I'm sure you found that for a 50. 01:20:27.940 --> 01:20:29.940 They normally be dead. 01:20:30.940 --> 01:20:37.940 So in the cases where this that this paramedic has seen, he's seen SBO twos of a 50. 01:20:37.940 --> 01:20:39.940 Those people were dead. 01:20:39.940 --> 01:20:40.940 No, they were fun. 01:20:40.940 --> 01:20:47.940 Well, no, they had, if they had COVID, they could have an SBO two or 50 and they'd be like, like normal. 01:20:47.940 --> 01:20:48.940 He couldn't believe it. 01:20:48.940 --> 01:20:49.940 He's like, there must be some. 01:20:49.940 --> 01:20:54.940 So imagine a scenario where somebody was exposed to a toxin or a. 01:20:54.940 --> 01:20:57.940 Transfection, and it changed. 01:20:58.940 --> 01:21:02.940 The reading on one of these things because. 01:21:02.940 --> 01:21:06.940 It's it's not really clear to me how low this number can go. 01:21:06.940 --> 01:21:11.940 But if you have that number at 50, my guess is that you're not getting you're not walking to the ambulance. 01:21:11.940 --> 01:21:13.940 You're not walking to the hospital. 01:21:13.940 --> 01:21:14.940 I don't. 01:21:14.940 --> 01:21:16.940 But again, I'm way out of my league here. 01:21:16.940 --> 01:21:17.940 So I'm not going to. 01:21:17.940 --> 01:21:18.940 I'm not going to. 01:21:18.940 --> 01:21:20.940 I don't want to. 01:21:20.940 --> 01:21:23.940 Did I forget to do that, darn it? 01:21:23.940 --> 01:21:25.940 That's that's too bad. 01:21:26.940 --> 01:21:27.940 I don't want to. 01:21:27.940 --> 01:21:29.940 I don't want to make it about that. 01:21:29.940 --> 01:21:30.940 I just keep listening. 01:21:30.940 --> 01:21:35.940 Nothing wrong with my meter, you know, so that they tested in the hospital and they verified this. 01:21:35.940 --> 01:21:37.940 He's it's it's this known thing. 01:21:37.940 --> 01:21:40.940 I'm going to put you in touch with with this guy. 01:21:40.940 --> 01:21:47.940 But this is this is well known on lots of paramedics have seen this and they've never seen it before. 01:21:47.940 --> 01:21:52.940 Well, if it wasn't if it wasn't a novel pathogen, how would you explain that? 01:21:52.940 --> 01:21:57.940 And by the way, all these people tested positive on the the PCR for COVID. 01:21:57.940 --> 01:21:58.940 Right. 01:21:58.940 --> 01:22:00.940 And all these people tested positive. 01:22:00.940 --> 01:22:04.940 You see, this is where we know that there's hand waving going on. 01:22:04.940 --> 01:22:07.940 He doesn't have that data. 01:22:07.940 --> 01:22:09.940 They don't have that data. 01:22:09.940 --> 01:22:16.940 The paramedic took them to the hospital and knows for sure that they all tested positive during New York City. 01:22:16.940 --> 01:22:18.940 They didn't even have tests for the first month or so. 01:22:18.940 --> 01:22:24.940 Like, I don't even know why we have to have these kinds of bullshit discussions where people say that. 01:22:24.940 --> 01:22:28.940 Oh, I talked to this one guy and he says that all of his friends said. 01:22:28.940 --> 01:22:37.940 And so I don't know how you're going to argue with that because I've also got my housekeeper and her two cousins. 01:22:37.940 --> 01:22:45.940 And it becomes a real waste of time, you know, because really we should just be talking to Danny and asking him more about what his data can show us. 01:22:46.940 --> 01:22:48.940 Super frustrating. 01:22:48.940 --> 01:22:52.940 So here's my answer to that and many similar anecdotes. 01:22:52.940 --> 01:22:53.940 Okay. 01:22:55.940 --> 01:23:04.940 Clinicians, whether they're paramedics answering emergency calls or clinicians in hospital receiving patients that come in or whatever. 01:23:05.940 --> 01:23:11.940 Clinicians are seeing people come in with conditions they haven't seen before. 01:23:12.940 --> 01:23:25.940 But the biggest impact on a person's health and physiology, blood chemistry, everything is experienced psychological stress. 01:23:25.940 --> 01:23:30.940 This is not debatable. This is scientifically known. There's no doubt about that. 01:23:30.940 --> 01:23:32.940 The thing that the biggest. 01:23:32.940 --> 01:23:43.940 So from a panic attack, for example, if they told you on the news that something was spreading and you thought you were getting it and you introduced, you induced yourself into psychosis, like a real panic attack. 01:23:43.940 --> 01:23:45.940 Could you have a lower? I don't know. 01:23:46.940 --> 01:23:47.940 I don't know. 01:23:47.940 --> 01:23:54.940 But that's, I think, what Denny's getting at here is that these, this is possibly a James Giordano prediction. 01:23:54.940 --> 01:24:01.940 You see in a few cases and then you tell everybody and you'll have every hypochondriac and every worry well. 01:24:01.940 --> 01:24:03.940 Banging on the door. 01:24:03.940 --> 01:24:10.940 The determinant of your health is where you are in the social hierarchy, in the dominance hierarchy in the society. 01:24:10.940 --> 01:24:20.940 And the reason that's the biggest determinant is because you are subjected to stress or aggressions to keep you in your place within the dominance hierarchy. 01:24:20.940 --> 01:24:26.940 And it is random aggression. It's your bosses. It's all that your superiors. It's the way people look at you. It's all that stuff. 01:24:26.940 --> 01:24:30.940 And that's stress, especially if it's random and it's increased. 01:24:30.940 --> 01:24:36.940 I thank you for that comment in the chat. You can't hypervate on that yourself in the hypoxia. That makes sense. 01:24:36.940 --> 01:24:40.940 Has absolutely devastating consequences on your health. 01:24:40.940 --> 01:24:53.940 So you're looking at a period where the government has decided to assault everyone, scare them all to hell, physically assault, get them to go and get tested, get them to this, lock them down. 01:24:53.940 --> 01:25:01.940 If they test positive, they're basically brought into a treatment cycle and so on. 01:25:01.940 --> 01:25:11.940 You're telling everyone we're all going to die from this pandemic and you're running around locking people up and changing all the rules in society. 01:25:11.940 --> 01:25:20.940 And not only that, you got these people on the internet who are running around saying that a billion people are going to die and that's 15 days of lockdown is not nearly enough. 01:25:20.940 --> 01:25:26.940 We need to do 60 days of hard lockdown. 01:25:26.940 --> 01:25:37.940 You got these people on the intellectual dark web that are saying that we didn't lock down hard enough and that's why we were still not at zero COVID and that zero COVID is still a goal that we should get to. 01:25:37.940 --> 01:25:54.940 We have these people on the intellectual dark web that are saying that if everybody just took Ibermectin and fluvoxamine for 60 days, the pandemic would be over. 01:25:54.940 --> 01:26:05.940 You're preventing people who normally have work in the black market or whatever their activities are from doing any of their activities and they're now infectious, poisonous, dangerous people. 01:26:05.940 --> 01:26:12.940 You are stressing the society out like completely unusual circumstances. 01:26:12.940 --> 01:26:19.940 Now in these completely unusual circumstances, there is going to be a lot of unusual health problems. 01:26:19.940 --> 01:26:23.940 And it's going to be complicated and it's going to be all over the map. 01:26:23.940 --> 01:26:39.940 And the system that is most affected by your immune system being affected by distress is your respiratory system because it's the biggest organ other than your skin in contact with the environment. 01:26:39.940 --> 01:26:47.940 It's a fragile organ and you're breathing in air or not breathing in enough air or whatever. 01:26:47.940 --> 01:26:50.940 And air is loaded with crap. 01:26:50.940 --> 01:26:51.940 Oh, he just shook his head. 01:26:51.940 --> 01:26:52.940 No. 01:26:52.940 --> 01:26:53.940 He just shook his head. 01:26:53.940 --> 01:26:54.940 No. 01:26:54.940 --> 01:26:57.940 Or not breathing in enough air or whatever. 01:26:57.940 --> 01:27:00.940 And air is loaded with. 01:27:00.940 --> 01:27:01.940 Oh man. 01:27:01.940 --> 01:27:02.940 He's putting bacteria. 01:27:02.940 --> 01:27:03.940 I love it, Denny. 01:27:03.940 --> 01:27:05.940 I absolutely love this. 01:27:05.940 --> 01:27:06.940 I love where he's going. 01:27:06.940 --> 01:27:07.940 I love what he's doing here. 01:27:07.940 --> 01:27:12.940 He's doing exactly what I would do if I had thought of it in this scenario. 01:27:12.940 --> 01:27:19.940 He's trying to explain that you have the surface area of a tennis court in your chest. 01:27:19.940 --> 01:27:25.940 And that surface area of a tennis court is about one cell thick from you being the outside world. 01:27:25.940 --> 01:27:32.940 Like there's, it's a very fragile barrier between your blood and the outside world. 01:27:33.940 --> 01:27:40.940 And at this interface, your immune system is working constantly, constantly. 01:27:40.940 --> 01:27:42.940 It's not a sterile environment. 01:27:42.940 --> 01:27:49.940 Most of the time, except for when a novel pathogen comes in the mail from Amazon. 01:27:49.940 --> 01:27:50.940 Wow. 01:27:50.940 --> 01:27:54.940 Where's the, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:27:54.940 --> 01:27:59.940 You know, but when you are stressed, you don't even need the air to be dirty. 01:27:59.940 --> 01:28:09.940 You already have an entire universe of potential pathogens in your respiratory tract that can 01:28:09.940 --> 01:28:14.940 become lethal if they go into your lungs and you have a weakened immune system. 01:28:14.940 --> 01:28:16.940 Oh, really? 01:28:16.940 --> 01:28:23.940 That sounds like those two doctors that we covered back in like May or April of 2020, 01:28:23.940 --> 01:28:28.940 the dudes that had like the, the one guy with the dark hair that had like the almost wind tunnel 01:28:28.940 --> 01:28:34.940 tested hairdo, those guys were awesome and everybody made fun of them. 01:28:34.940 --> 01:28:39.940 And they were the most fantastically spot on point people ever. 01:28:39.940 --> 01:28:45.940 Talking about the fact that there's an ecosystem of microbes that are already present. 01:28:45.940 --> 01:28:51.940 That you, you are, you know, like this is not just some sterile environment. 01:28:52.940 --> 01:28:54.940 Oh my gosh, this is just brilliant. 01:28:54.940 --> 01:28:56.940 This is just brilliant. 01:28:56.940 --> 01:29:01.940 He's trying to read his, his little chat down there to see if his handlers have any, 01:29:01.940 --> 01:29:06.940 have any hints on how to get this train back on track. 01:29:06.940 --> 01:29:07.940 It ain't happening. 01:29:07.940 --> 01:29:08.940 It ain't happening. 01:29:08.940 --> 01:29:09.940 Transmitting anything. 01:29:09.940 --> 01:29:17.940 You've got a zillion different pathogens and, and, and, and what pathogens you have in your mouth 01:29:17.940 --> 01:29:21.940 or in your intestine or anywhere is completely different from person to person depending on 01:29:21.940 --> 01:29:25.940 what you eat, what your habits are reading habits are everything. 01:29:25.940 --> 01:29:28.940 So this is a complex system. 01:29:28.940 --> 01:29:33.940 And the biggest knob that you turn to decide whether or not people are going to be sick 01:29:33.940 --> 01:29:37.940 is experience psychological stress and social isolation. 01:29:37.940 --> 01:29:38.940 Wow. 01:29:38.940 --> 01:29:40.940 Wow. 01:29:40.940 --> 01:29:42.940 It's like really neuroscience there. 01:29:42.940 --> 01:29:45.940 He's doing neurobiology now. 01:29:46.940 --> 01:29:48.940 Stress to animals gets sick. 01:29:48.940 --> 01:29:49.940 That's it. 01:29:49.940 --> 01:29:50.940 I love it. 01:29:50.940 --> 01:29:52.940 I absolutely, I absolutely love it. 01:29:52.940 --> 01:29:56.940 This is some of the best stuff that I've seen in, in six months. 01:29:56.940 --> 01:30:00.940 It turned up experienced psychological stress and they socially isolated everyone. 01:30:00.940 --> 01:30:08.940 Of course you're going to have a myriad of medical problems, especially among the frail, 01:30:08.940 --> 01:30:12.940 especially among those who already had that problem. 01:30:12.940 --> 01:30:20.940 So we showed in the United States archive that the people who died were in the poor states. 01:30:20.940 --> 01:30:22.940 The more poverty there was in the state. 01:30:22.940 --> 01:30:23.940 Go down. 01:30:23.940 --> 01:30:24.940 That was correlated. 01:30:24.940 --> 01:30:25.940 Those are the people who died. 01:30:25.940 --> 01:30:26.940 Who are those people? 01:30:26.940 --> 01:30:30.940 They're also the same people who normally get 50%. 01:30:30.940 --> 01:30:33.940 Sometimes twice as many antibiotic prescriptions. 01:30:33.940 --> 01:30:38.940 You really should look at Meredith Miller's presentation that she did on my stream. 01:30:38.940 --> 01:30:45.940 It was a really good take from a psychologist perspective on what they did to us and how 01:30:45.940 --> 01:30:46.940 they did it. 01:30:46.940 --> 01:30:52.940 And this is perfect to cue in with the idea that this kind of stress and isolation led 01:30:52.940 --> 01:30:57.940 to a lot of the sickness that we attributed to COVID because we were using tests to to 01:30:57.940 --> 01:30:58.940 attribute it to COVID. 01:30:58.940 --> 01:31:04.940 That's going to be a lot of unusual symptoms that clinicians are going to say and clinicians 01:31:04.940 --> 01:31:06.940 are subjected to the same propaganda. 01:31:06.940 --> 01:31:09.940 We're all going to die from this novel pathogen. 01:31:09.940 --> 01:31:12.940 And so they're wearing those glasses and that's what they see. 01:31:12.940 --> 01:31:14.940 And then let me finish. 01:31:14.940 --> 01:31:15.940 One more thing. 01:31:15.940 --> 01:31:19.940 And then some of these clinicians decide to use ivermectin. 01:31:19.940 --> 01:31:21.940 And guess what? 01:31:21.940 --> 01:31:28.940 ivermectin is extremely powerful in aiding bacterial lung infection. 01:31:29.940 --> 01:31:34.940 It's antibiotic properties for bacteria that infect the lung are tremendous. 01:31:34.940 --> 01:31:40.940 So you've got this clinician now saving people's lives who have a bacterial infection and 01:31:40.940 --> 01:31:45.940 they're not allowed to prescribe antibiotics and they save them with ivermectin and they 01:31:45.940 --> 01:31:48.940 make the connection that therefore ivermectin saves you from COVID. 01:31:48.940 --> 01:31:51.940 Now this stuff is happening on a large scale. 01:31:51.940 --> 01:31:55.940 What I'm trying to tell you, Steve, is I don't believe these anecdotes. 01:31:56.940 --> 01:31:59.940 I don't believe what clinicians say. 01:31:59.940 --> 01:32:06.940 I know from reading the historical documents that entire medical establishments in England 01:32:06.940 --> 01:32:13.940 and Wales can be fooled by newspaper propaganda and can start writing things on birth certificates 01:32:13.940 --> 01:32:15.940 because they read about it in the paper. 01:32:15.940 --> 01:32:17.940 So this is not new. 01:32:17.940 --> 01:32:20.940 And so I do not believe this crap. 01:32:21.940 --> 01:32:22.940 I'm sorry. 01:32:22.940 --> 01:32:28.940 I respect for medical people, but they have to start recognizing that it's easy for them 01:32:28.940 --> 01:32:30.940 to fool themselves. 01:32:30.940 --> 01:32:32.940 Okay. 01:32:32.940 --> 01:32:41.940 Let's just leave it here because suffice it to say I totally disagree with your assessment. 01:32:41.940 --> 01:32:45.940 Suffice it to say that he totally disagrees with his assessment. 01:32:45.940 --> 01:32:49.940 I'm not sure that there was a novel virus that killed millions that millions more were 01:32:49.940 --> 01:32:55.940 saved from and that likely came from gain of function that somebody created it and that 01:32:55.940 --> 01:32:56.940 it could come again. 01:32:56.940 --> 01:32:57.940 He believes it. 01:32:57.940 --> 01:33:02.940 He totally disagrees with the idea even though there's no evidence for spread. 01:33:02.940 --> 01:33:04.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right? 01:33:04.940 --> 01:33:06.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:33:06.940 --> 01:33:13.940 Even though there's no evidence for spread. 01:33:14.940 --> 01:33:16.940 But that's fine. 01:33:16.940 --> 01:33:20.940 You know, we can have the and I think that's good that we can have these disagreements 01:33:20.940 --> 01:33:26.940 and it will get to one of my points later on in the interview here where we want to talk 01:33:26.940 --> 01:33:28.940 about how do we determine truth here? 01:33:28.940 --> 01:33:31.940 Like this is a perfect example here. 01:33:31.940 --> 01:33:37.940 Look, I know lots of people and heard lots of stories from completely independent people 01:33:37.940 --> 01:33:45.940 who are like blown away by these SPO2 measurements and that these people who are experiencing 01:33:45.940 --> 01:33:47.940 this and they've never seen it before. 01:33:47.940 --> 01:33:51.940 Are these individuals, have they been hyphenating for the last hour? 01:33:51.940 --> 01:33:52.940 No. 01:33:52.940 --> 01:33:53.940 No. 01:33:53.940 --> 01:33:54.940 No. 01:33:54.940 --> 01:33:55.940 No, no, no. 01:33:55.940 --> 01:33:58.940 No, but I don't want to belabor this point. 01:33:58.940 --> 01:33:59.940 Yeah. 01:33:59.940 --> 01:34:01.940 But I just, I don't want to drop it saying. 01:34:01.940 --> 01:34:02.940 No, no, no. 01:34:02.940 --> 01:34:04.940 We have a disagreement. 01:34:05.940 --> 01:34:06.940 Yeah, I got it. 01:34:06.940 --> 01:34:07.940 I got it. 01:34:07.940 --> 01:34:08.940 I understand it. 01:34:08.940 --> 01:34:12.940 I'm, you know, I think about it, but I think in this particular case, you're incorrect. 01:34:12.940 --> 01:34:15.940 And, but, but we should, you know, explore this further. 01:34:15.940 --> 01:34:16.940 I'd love to have enough. 01:34:16.940 --> 01:34:18.940 I mean, I think you're incorrect. 01:34:18.940 --> 01:34:21.940 I think we actually did land on the moon, but we're going to leave it here now. 01:34:21.940 --> 01:34:23.940 And we're just going to agree to disagree. 01:34:23.940 --> 01:34:27.940 It's a little more important than whether we landed on the moon or not. 01:34:27.940 --> 01:34:40.940 This is really about fundamental ways that we have been governed over the last three years, the last four years, the last 10 years, the last 20 years. 01:34:40.940 --> 01:34:55.940 And if we are at the stage now, we are, we are going to reevaluate our foundational understanding of disease with respect to transmissible RNA pathogens, then it's a little more important than I think you're wrong. 01:34:55.940 --> 01:34:57.940 And we're going to agree to disagree. 01:34:57.940 --> 01:35:09.940 The whole reason why three billion shots of transfection were rolled out around the world is because he thinks there was a novel pathogen still. 01:35:10.940 --> 01:35:28.940 The only reason why any college kid is ever going to be forced to take this shot to go back to campus is because he still believes, or at least says that he still believes that there's a shot needed because there is a freaking novel pathogen around. 01:35:29.940 --> 01:35:36.940 That's been sequenced, as he said, so, so checkmate ish. 01:35:36.940 --> 01:35:42.940 I'm going to take this position, but I also really believe it that there's a novel pathogen that has been sequenced. 01:35:42.940 --> 01:35:47.940 According to Kevin McCurnan, millions of times. 01:35:47.940 --> 01:35:53.940 Millions of times. 01:35:53.940 --> 01:36:03.940 Opportunity to convince you that this is that your explanation doesn't fit the facts, which is the important thing, right? Because, you know, does it does it correlate? 01:36:03.940 --> 01:36:07.940 Like I was under a lot of stress during COVID, tremendous amount of stress. 01:36:07.940 --> 01:36:09.940 I mean, I wasn't getting sleep. 01:36:09.940 --> 01:36:10.940 I got an oral ring. 01:36:10.940 --> 01:36:13.940 It was telling me, Steve, you're under a lot of stress here. 01:36:13.940 --> 01:36:18.940 And I'd be measuring my SPO to my SPO to never drop from 99% during the whole period. 01:36:18.940 --> 01:36:19.940 I'm under stress. 01:36:19.940 --> 01:36:20.940 I'm isolated. 01:36:20.940 --> 01:36:22.940 Like nobody wants to talk to me. 01:36:22.940 --> 01:36:26.940 So then why not an aerosolized toxin? 01:36:26.940 --> 01:36:33.940 Why not an aerosolized transfection that expresses a toxic protein in your lungs for a certain period of time? 01:36:33.940 --> 01:36:45.940 Why not an alternative explanation besides a risk additive self-replicating pathogen? 01:36:45.940 --> 01:36:46.940 It's one or the other. 01:36:46.940 --> 01:36:51.940 It's either there's nothing or there's this magical RNA. 01:36:51.940 --> 01:37:07.940 It's coated in some kind of magical lipoprotein coat that makes it be able to copy itself millions and millions of times in every person and then spread around like kind of like wildfire, but not really, because there's no evidence of spread. 01:37:07.940 --> 01:37:09.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right? 01:37:09.940 --> 01:37:10.940 Yeah. 01:37:10.940 --> 01:37:17.940 What a confusing, unbelievably confusing podcast this was. 01:37:17.940 --> 01:37:18.940 Wow. 01:37:18.940 --> 01:37:20.940 Formation spreader. 01:37:20.940 --> 01:37:25.940 I mean, the whole thing on this perfect under stress, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. 01:37:25.940 --> 01:37:27.940 SPO due to it too, didn't drop at all. 01:37:27.940 --> 01:37:28.940 Okay. 01:37:28.940 --> 01:37:32.940 But that that's just that that's not a here and a there. 01:37:32.940 --> 01:37:33.940 Let me know. 01:37:33.940 --> 01:37:34.940 I know. 01:37:34.940 --> 01:37:35.940 I know. 01:37:35.940 --> 01:37:38.940 Look, I know it's an individual thing, but you're brought it up. 01:37:38.940 --> 01:37:40.940 The person reacts to stress differently. 01:37:40.940 --> 01:37:49.940 An individual's ability to quantify and recognize their own internal physiological stress is near zero. 01:37:49.940 --> 01:37:50.940 Okay. 01:37:50.940 --> 01:37:52.940 So, yeah, let's move on. 01:37:52.940 --> 01:37:53.940 Let's move on. 01:37:53.940 --> 01:37:55.940 We can say this for another day. 01:37:55.940 --> 01:37:58.940 You know, I want to be respectful of your time here. 01:37:58.940 --> 01:38:00.940 I want to talk to you about this JAMA paper. 01:38:00.940 --> 01:38:02.940 I read this paper in JAMA. 01:38:02.940 --> 01:38:04.940 It's a research letter. 01:38:04.940 --> 01:38:05.940 It was in 2023. 01:38:05.940 --> 01:38:07.940 I wrote a sub stack on it. 01:38:07.940 --> 01:38:09.940 This is a JAMA VA study. 01:38:09.940 --> 01:38:13.940 And to me, this was like, this was, this is like the perfect study. 01:38:13.940 --> 01:38:17.940 So this epidemiologist at the VA, he's got a really high H index. 01:38:17.940 --> 01:38:25.940 He had access to all the VA data and he's doing this study on COVID versus flow. 01:38:25.940 --> 01:38:27.940 Are you familiar with this? 01:38:27.940 --> 01:38:29.940 No, I don't know which paper you're talking about. 01:38:29.940 --> 01:38:30.940 Okay. 01:38:30.940 --> 01:38:31.940 Okay. 01:38:31.940 --> 01:38:32.940 But let me, let me describe it because it's really interesting. 01:38:32.940 --> 01:38:37.940 He basically said, we're going to take two groups of people that people who are hospitalized 01:38:37.940 --> 01:38:43.940 for COVID and we're going to take another group of people who are hospitalized for the 01:38:43.940 --> 01:38:44.940 flu. 01:38:44.940 --> 01:38:49.940 And we're going to look at the percentage of those people who are hospitalized who die. 01:38:49.940 --> 01:38:50.940 Okay. 01:38:50.940 --> 01:38:52.940 And he has this baseline group. 01:38:52.940 --> 01:38:55.940 He says, we're going to enroll anyone who goes in the hospital for the flu. 01:38:55.940 --> 01:38:59.940 And we're going to enroll anyone who goes in the hospital for COVID. 01:38:59.940 --> 01:39:02.940 And if you have both, we're not going to enroll you because you're going to be confounded. 01:39:02.940 --> 01:39:05.940 But yeah, we'll enroll everybody for one. 01:39:05.940 --> 01:39:07.940 And what's the conclusion? 01:39:07.940 --> 01:39:10.940 Well, so here's the interesting thing. 01:39:10.940 --> 01:39:15.940 He looks at the baseline characteristics of the people, including their vaccination status 01:39:15.940 --> 01:39:17.940 for COVID and the flu. 01:39:17.940 --> 01:39:18.940 Guess what? 01:39:18.940 --> 01:39:24.940 Both groups had identical vaccination status percentages. 01:39:24.940 --> 01:39:25.940 Okay. 01:39:25.940 --> 01:39:27.940 What is, what does that tell you? 01:39:28.940 --> 01:39:29.940 Yeah. 01:39:29.940 --> 01:39:35.940 It doesn't tell me much because I, I, I make a point of trying to avoid those kinds of studies. 01:39:35.940 --> 01:39:40.940 I do not believe that COVID tests are reliable whatsoever. 01:39:40.940 --> 01:39:42.940 No, no, no, not COVID test. 01:39:42.940 --> 01:39:43.940 Well, okay. 01:39:43.940 --> 01:39:46.940 I guess because they're hot, hot, hot, hospitalized for COVID. 01:39:46.940 --> 01:39:47.940 Okay. 01:39:47.940 --> 01:39:48.940 Yeah. 01:39:48.940 --> 01:39:50.940 So hospitalized for, to me, that's me. 01:39:50.940 --> 01:39:52.940 I mean, depending on the. 01:39:52.940 --> 01:39:53.940 All right. 01:39:53.940 --> 01:40:00.940 You can imagine that it would show a positive result if one aspect of the physiology is reacting 01:40:00.940 --> 01:40:05.940 differently or strong, more strongly than, than in another, you know, all kinds of things can be happening. 01:40:05.940 --> 01:40:06.940 But do you believe? 01:40:06.940 --> 01:40:07.940 Okay. 01:40:07.940 --> 01:40:08.940 Do you believe the flu test? 01:40:08.940 --> 01:40:10.940 Do you believe that I'm not, I'm not convinced that viruses exist? 01:40:10.940 --> 01:40:11.940 Okay. 01:40:11.940 --> 01:40:12.940 All right. 01:40:12.940 --> 01:40:13.940 We got it. 01:40:13.940 --> 01:40:14.940 We got to move on then. 01:40:14.940 --> 01:40:15.940 So. 01:40:15.940 --> 01:40:18.940 I'm not saying that viruses don't exist. 01:40:18.940 --> 01:40:21.940 I'm saying that I'm seriously as a scientist trying to look. 01:40:21.940 --> 01:40:22.940 Okay. 01:40:22.940 --> 01:40:23.940 Okay. 01:40:23.940 --> 01:40:24.940 All right. 01:40:24.940 --> 01:40:25.940 You did. 01:40:25.940 --> 01:40:26.940 You did. 01:40:26.940 --> 01:40:27.940 I got to have this discussion with somebody else. 01:40:27.940 --> 01:40:29.940 Let me, let me, let me, let me. 01:40:29.940 --> 01:40:32.940 You did just say that, but you're not sure viruses exist. 01:40:32.940 --> 01:40:33.940 And not to be. 01:40:33.940 --> 01:40:36.940 I'm not saying that viruses don't exist. 01:40:36.940 --> 01:40:39.940 I'm saying that I'm seriously as a scientist trying to look. 01:40:39.940 --> 01:40:40.940 Okay. 01:40:40.940 --> 01:40:41.940 Okay. 01:40:41.940 --> 01:40:42.940 All right. 01:40:42.940 --> 01:40:43.940 All right. 01:40:43.940 --> 01:40:44.940 All right. 01:40:44.940 --> 01:40:45.940 All right. 01:40:45.940 --> 01:40:46.940 All right. 01:40:46.940 --> 01:40:47.940 All right. 01:40:47.940 --> 01:40:48.940 All right. 01:40:48.940 --> 01:40:49.940 All right. 01:40:49.940 --> 01:40:50.940 All right. 01:40:50.940 --> 01:40:51.940 Let me, let me, let me. 01:40:51.940 --> 01:40:53.940 You did just say that, but you're not sure viruses exist. 01:40:53.940 --> 01:40:56.940 Not to be a creep, but he did just say that the flu test. 01:40:56.940 --> 01:40:59.940 Do you believe that the hospital could go with the. 01:40:59.940 --> 01:41:00.940 I'm not. 01:41:00.940 --> 01:41:02.940 I'm not convinced that viruses exist. 01:41:02.940 --> 01:41:03.940 Okay. 01:41:03.940 --> 01:41:04.940 All right. 01:41:04.940 --> 01:41:05.940 We got it. 01:41:05.940 --> 01:41:06.940 We got to move on then. 01:41:06.940 --> 01:41:07.940 So. 01:41:08.940 --> 01:41:09.940 Okay. 01:41:09.940 --> 01:41:10.940 Okay. 01:41:10.940 --> 01:41:11.940 All right. 01:41:11.940 --> 01:41:13.940 I got to have this discussion with somebody else. 01:41:13.940 --> 01:41:14.940 Let me. 01:41:14.940 --> 01:41:15.940 Yeah. 01:41:15.940 --> 01:41:16.940 Let me, let me, let me. 01:41:16.940 --> 01:41:20.940 Since Livio is showing up, that means I'm not a time here, but let me, let me ask you this. 01:41:20.940 --> 01:41:22.940 It's really important question. 01:41:22.940 --> 01:41:25.940 How do we resolve. 01:41:25.940 --> 01:41:27.940 Questions in science. 01:41:27.940 --> 01:41:30.940 And let me give you a perfect example. 01:41:30.940 --> 01:41:33.940 That's really, really important, which is autism. 01:41:33.940 --> 01:41:38.940 And I've done independent surveys that are very impressive. 01:41:38.940 --> 01:41:42.940 That show vaccines are correlated with autism. 01:41:42.940 --> 01:41:46.940 The more vaccines the kid gets, the more likely they are to get autism. 01:41:46.940 --> 01:41:52.940 I surveyed the parents to ask them what their experience was. 01:41:52.940 --> 01:41:56.940 The parents couldn't collaborate on the, on the results. 01:41:56.940 --> 01:41:58.940 And there was a perfect straight line. 01:41:58.940 --> 01:41:59.940 It was a linear correlation. 01:42:00.940 --> 01:42:04.940 There are a lot of scientific articles about that relationship. 01:42:04.940 --> 01:42:05.940 Right. 01:42:05.940 --> 01:42:06.940 Right. 01:42:06.940 --> 01:42:07.940 Right. 01:42:07.940 --> 01:42:08.940 But we don't have to get into the, into the relationship. 01:42:08.940 --> 01:42:13.940 But when I looked at that, I said, there's no possible way that vaccines could not be causing 01:42:13.940 --> 01:42:14.940 autism. 01:42:14.940 --> 01:42:18.940 And, and I look at that and I say, this is like, it's just not going to happen. 01:42:18.940 --> 01:42:20.940 If there's like, it's statistically impossible. 01:42:20.940 --> 01:42:23.940 I had 10,000 people in this survey. 01:42:23.940 --> 01:42:26.940 And then I heard have other statistics as well. 01:42:27.940 --> 01:42:31.940 But it'd be, let's not get into the specifics of this. 01:42:31.940 --> 01:42:37.940 My question is, how do we resolve these questions in the scientific community? 01:42:37.940 --> 01:42:42.940 Because there are a thousand papers that say vaccines don't cause autism. 01:42:42.940 --> 01:42:44.940 And there are a thousand papers that say they do. 01:42:44.940 --> 01:42:47.940 And the doctors are all saying, well, we, we. 01:42:47.940 --> 01:42:52.940 It would be very simple for him to promote this book because he's had Dr. 01:42:52.940 --> 01:42:57.940 Brian Hooker on his show before. 01:42:57.940 --> 01:42:59.940 He knows all about children's health defense. 01:42:59.940 --> 01:43:04.940 He knows the children's health defense is made up of people that have been trying to 01:43:04.940 --> 01:43:10.940 point out that autism and vaccines are intimately linked. 01:43:10.940 --> 01:43:12.940 He knows that Dell Bigtree does that. 01:43:12.940 --> 01:43:14.940 He knows that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:43:14.940 --> 01:43:15.940 did that with C.H.D. 01:43:15.940 --> 01:43:16.940 knows that C.H.D. 01:43:16.940 --> 01:43:21.940 is still doing it because he just had Brian on not too long ago. 01:43:21.940 --> 01:43:26.940 Brian even took the time to record some kind of thing for Steve's roast that 01:43:26.940 --> 01:43:34.940 that Steve barely even played or or or paid any respectable thank you for. 01:43:34.940 --> 01:43:39.940 And so now he's talking like he's the one who's figured out that that vaccines 01:43:39.940 --> 01:43:40.940 cause autism. 01:43:40.940 --> 01:43:44.940 What about all the moms that actually have autistic children? 01:43:44.940 --> 01:43:50.940 What about all the dads like Brian Hooker who's got an autistic child who's is an adult now? 01:43:51.940 --> 01:43:57.940 How about how little humility here and hand the ball off to the people who've been carrying it? 01:44:02.940 --> 01:44:05.940 Notice that I'm not saying it's me cause it ain't me. 01:44:07.940 --> 01:44:13.940 There's plenty of people out there that deserve credit for and promotion of these ideas. 01:44:13.940 --> 01:44:15.940 It ain't Steve Kirsch. 01:44:16.940 --> 01:44:19.940 Can we have a little humility here? 01:44:19.940 --> 01:44:25.940 Brian Hooker is the only guy who drove across the United States on his own and his own car 01:44:25.940 --> 01:44:29.940 to meet with somebody from the CDC to get the data that was necessary to show that 01:44:29.940 --> 01:44:35.940 African American kids were being damaged and that the CDC had hid the data. 01:44:35.940 --> 01:44:39.940 He's the one who did that, not Steve Kirsch. 01:44:39.940 --> 01:44:44.940 Not even Robert F. Kennedy Jr. did that. 01:44:44.940 --> 01:44:50.940 Although he can swing from metal hooks and do push-ups with his shirt off. 01:44:50.940 --> 01:44:52.940 He's not the one who did that. 01:44:52.940 --> 01:44:54.940 Brian Hooker is. 01:45:03.940 --> 01:45:10.940 Unbelievable how little humility this whole community has for the idea that we were all taken. 01:45:11.940 --> 01:45:18.940 And any of us that were taken in 2020 by any part of this narrative. 01:45:20.940 --> 01:45:25.940 I don't care if you thought it was the right thing to do to raise money for early treatment. 01:45:27.940 --> 01:45:32.940 You were running around for something that didn't need running around for and you should have been fighting 01:45:32.940 --> 01:45:36.940 for the people that were getting murdered in hospitals for two years. 01:45:36.940 --> 01:45:41.940 We all should have been fighting more for the people who were being murdered in hospitals. 01:45:48.940 --> 01:45:50.940 Getting so tired of this. 01:45:52.940 --> 01:45:54.940 But I ain't gonna quit. 01:45:55.940 --> 01:45:59.940 This is who I am. This is what my family is. 01:46:00.940 --> 01:46:04.940 We were kicked out of a moving truck twice now in this pandemic. 01:46:06.940 --> 01:46:09.940 We're not going to give up and neither are you argue these things. 01:46:09.940 --> 01:46:11.940 We don't argue these in debates. 01:46:11.940 --> 01:46:12.940 It's not. 01:46:12.940 --> 01:46:13.940 Debates. 01:46:13.940 --> 01:46:14.940 Decide this. 01:46:14.940 --> 01:46:16.940 It is in the scientific literature. 01:46:16.940 --> 01:46:22.940 The scientific literature is half of it is fake and half of it is real. 01:46:22.940 --> 01:46:24.940 And the scientists can't tell the difference. 01:46:24.940 --> 01:46:30.940 So how do we resolve scientific questions like do vaccines cause autism? 01:46:30.940 --> 01:46:32.940 Is the COVID vaccine safe? 01:46:32.940 --> 01:46:34.940 You know, does a virus exist? 01:46:35.940 --> 01:46:40.940 How do we how do we how do we how do we get to resolution of these because like. 01:46:40.940 --> 01:46:45.940 I think the way we get to the resolution of some of these things is that we say them the way that they need to be said. 01:46:45.940 --> 01:46:48.940 So what I would do is something like this. 01:46:48.940 --> 01:46:56.940 I might say intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb. 01:46:56.940 --> 01:47:05.940 I might say something like transfection and healthy humans is criminally negligent and I might ask them or dare them to challenge me to support these statements. 01:47:05.940 --> 01:47:07.940 That's what I might do. 01:47:10.940 --> 01:47:12.940 Maybe you could just say something like that, Steve. 01:47:12.940 --> 01:47:23.940 Say something courageous like maybe that the entire vaccine schedule of America when you compare it to any other western nation has to be considered criminal. 01:47:24.940 --> 01:47:32.940 There's no other explanation for the number of shots and how early they are applied to our children other than criminality. 01:47:34.940 --> 01:47:44.940 Why not just say something courageous like that instead of saying how do we resolve these crazy questions in the literature when half the literature is a lie. 01:47:45.940 --> 01:47:48.940 You just start with the truth then that's how you do it. 01:47:48.940 --> 01:47:49.940 You start with the truth. 01:47:49.940 --> 01:48:08.940 The vaccine schedule is criminal intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the irreducible complex system of the immune response is a dumb idea. 01:48:08.940 --> 01:48:10.940 The autism question has been out for 20 years. 01:48:10.940 --> 01:48:11.940 Right. 01:48:11.940 --> 01:48:15.940 The autism question was answered a long time ago. 01:48:15.940 --> 01:48:16.940 You know, that's the thing. 01:48:16.940 --> 01:48:17.940 It's been answered. 01:48:20.940 --> 01:48:27.940 The question of safety of the COVID vaccine is already established firmly in the scientific literature. 01:48:27.940 --> 01:48:35.940 There are more autopsies than you can shake a stick at and they've been done down to looking at the pathology of the cells themselves using. 01:48:35.940 --> 01:48:38.940 Well, you're saying you're saying the COVID vaccines are killing people. 01:48:38.940 --> 01:48:43.940 I'm saying that there are maybe. 01:48:43.940 --> 01:48:46.940 I don't know how many autopsies have been done in great detail. 01:48:46.940 --> 01:48:47.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:48:47.940 --> 01:48:48.940 And so on. 01:48:48.940 --> 01:48:49.940 Yeah. 01:48:49.940 --> 01:48:51.940 And they demonstrate using. 01:48:51.940 --> 01:48:52.940 A link. 01:48:52.940 --> 01:48:53.940 A causal link. 01:48:53.940 --> 01:48:54.940 Of a pathologist. 01:48:54.940 --> 01:48:55.940 Right. 01:48:55.940 --> 01:48:57.940 The cause of death is that they were injected. 01:48:57.940 --> 01:48:58.940 Period. 01:48:58.940 --> 01:48:59.940 Right. 01:48:59.940 --> 01:49:00.940 Right. 01:49:00.940 --> 01:49:01.940 That's not my question. 01:49:02.940 --> 01:49:03.940 Right. 01:49:03.940 --> 01:49:04.940 But that's not my question. 01:49:04.940 --> 01:49:09.940 The problem is that the science, there are people in the scientific community who say, Oh, that's bullshit. 01:49:09.940 --> 01:49:11.940 That was a bad study. 01:49:11.940 --> 01:49:17.940 You know, like the Cleveland Clinic study, they'll say, they'll say, Oh, that was a bad study. 01:49:17.940 --> 01:49:19.940 Oh, the vaccines are safe. 01:49:19.940 --> 01:49:21.940 You should get the shot. 01:49:21.940 --> 01:49:25.940 How do we, how do we resolve this in the public's mind? 01:49:25.940 --> 01:49:30.940 How do we come to a resolution of what is true and what is false? 01:49:30.940 --> 01:49:31.940 Are the quote? 01:49:31.940 --> 01:49:34.940 Like, I don't want any scientific questions. 01:49:34.940 --> 01:49:39.940 We're not in the business of determining what the public mind should think. 01:49:39.940 --> 01:49:43.940 No, but that's, but that's. 01:49:43.940 --> 01:49:44.940 People have to. 01:49:44.940 --> 01:49:45.940 Yes. 01:49:45.940 --> 01:49:46.940 Yeah. 01:49:46.940 --> 01:49:47.940 But there's no. 01:49:47.940 --> 01:49:50.940 How can we, how can we assist. 01:49:50.940 --> 01:49:54.940 The public to determine the truth of scientific. 01:49:54.940 --> 01:49:55.940 Questions. 01:49:56.940 --> 01:50:00.940 I'm trying to assist the public by doing the best science that I can. 01:50:00.940 --> 01:50:01.940 I know how you do it. 01:50:01.940 --> 01:50:03.940 And as simply as I can. 01:50:03.940 --> 01:50:04.940 You know how you do it. 01:50:04.940 --> 01:50:05.940 You teach people. 01:50:05.940 --> 01:50:11.940 You teach people the biology and then you let them learn for themselves. 01:50:11.940 --> 01:50:13.940 Actually, that's the best way to do it. 01:50:13.940 --> 01:50:17.940 You, you throw down a rope ladder. 01:50:17.940 --> 01:50:20.940 And you help people up into the tree. 01:50:21.940 --> 01:50:27.940 Then you put a, a waist belt around them and clip them to the safety line. 01:50:27.940 --> 01:50:33.940 And you teach them some basic rules like, you know, always one hand and one foot for the tree. 01:50:33.940 --> 01:50:39.940 And then you start climbing. 01:50:39.940 --> 01:50:41.940 This is not. 01:50:41.940 --> 01:50:46.940 This is not how science is supposed to be. 01:50:46.940 --> 01:50:50.940 This is not what science is supposed to do for us. 01:50:50.940 --> 01:50:52.940 Science is not supposed to be. 01:50:52.940 --> 01:50:58.940 A closed off library of knowledge that only certain people with keys. 01:50:58.940 --> 01:51:02.940 And, and, and the. 01:51:02.940 --> 01:51:06.940 The codex can learn. 01:51:06.940 --> 01:51:15.940 If science and biology are going to give us what they should give us as a species, we should come to understand ourselves better. 01:51:15.940 --> 01:51:17.940 Through science. 01:51:17.940 --> 01:51:21.940 We should come to understand our what makes us sacred. 01:51:21.940 --> 01:51:23.940 Better through science. 01:51:23.940 --> 01:51:26.940 And that's what science used to do for me. 01:51:26.940 --> 01:51:28.940 That's what science always did for me. 01:51:28.940 --> 01:51:32.940 Is that it made me appreciate the complexity. 01:51:32.940 --> 01:51:35.940 Of what I was looking at under the microscope. 01:51:35.940 --> 01:51:40.940 I could so easily imagine like, wow, what am I looking at here? 01:51:40.940 --> 01:51:44.940 I'm looking at this tiny little sliver. 01:51:44.940 --> 01:51:48.940 Of what makes a mouse, what a mouse is. 01:51:48.940 --> 01:51:54.940 And my goodness, what goes on inside the head of my son. 01:51:54.940 --> 01:52:01.940 And there were times when I would just, I would be overwhelmed. 01:52:01.940 --> 01:52:09.940 Sitting in front of my microscope with a black and white image of a, of neurons from a mouse. 01:52:09.940 --> 01:52:15.940 And I would just be overwhelmed with this sense of awe. 01:52:15.940 --> 01:52:22.940 That I was even allowed to look at this image, never mind makeup. 01:52:22.940 --> 01:52:33.940 Scientific investigations to try and understand what's going on there and, and, and pretend like I was really making progress contributing to some understanding of what was going on inside of this. 01:52:33.940 --> 01:52:38.940 And possibly complex thing. 01:52:38.940 --> 01:52:43.940 But I loved that job. I really did because it did make me feel that every day. 01:52:43.940 --> 01:52:51.940 This reverence for, for, for a little mouse. 01:52:51.940 --> 01:53:07.940 And if you can have a reverence for a little mouse, then every time you see your son come in the house, throw his backpack on the floor, you think tears can come running down your eyes. 01:53:08.940 --> 01:53:24.940 And none of these people are, none of these people are there anymore with their understanding of what our children are as perfect. They're, they're not there anymore understanding what our babies are as perfect. 01:53:24.940 --> 01:53:30.940 These people, they don't, they don't see it. 01:53:30.940 --> 01:53:36.940 And I don't know why, but I do know that it is our sacred duty. 01:53:36.940 --> 01:53:41.940 We are brought here for one reason and one reason only and that we are the gardeners of this. 01:53:41.940 --> 01:53:46.940 We are the tenders of this garden. 01:53:46.940 --> 01:53:56.940 And the really weird thing about it is is the most important piece of the garden is ourselves is our, our humanity. 01:53:56.940 --> 01:54:08.940 Just like an elephant is one of the gardeners of their jungle. We were supposed to be gardeners of our, of our, our world. 01:54:08.940 --> 01:54:16.940 I mean, have you ever imagined what it would really be if, if, if we did it the way we should be doing it? 01:54:16.940 --> 01:54:37.940 Imagine if my great grandfather on the plot of land that they had in Cadet, Wisconsin would have planted the right arrangement of oak trees and then carefully trained them over his lifetime so that they twisted together in the right way to make the perfect house. 01:54:37.940 --> 01:54:43.940 Not a very big house, but a log cabin made out of living oak trees. 01:54:43.940 --> 01:54:52.940 It's not impossible. It's a project that would take you 20 or 30 years, 40 years, 50 years. 01:54:52.940 --> 01:55:06.940 But it's not that different than the beautiful trees that you see in Japan where they cut them just the right way so that they grow these perfect cedar pieces of wood so that they can make their perfect houses and they actually just grow these trees 01:55:06.940 --> 01:55:14.940 and they, they prune them and they get new wood all the time. And so this, that's where we should be. 01:55:14.940 --> 01:55:28.940 At one with nature, trying to find ways to maximize mother nature's productivity and our ability to dwell within it. 01:55:28.940 --> 01:55:37.940 And so we are very, very far off course. There's really no question about it. But what's most important to see is that none of these people are offering us a way out. 01:55:37.940 --> 01:55:52.940 None of these people are offering us a viable way forward. None of these people have a vision of the sacred biology that can is capable of leading us forward. 01:55:52.940 --> 01:56:06.940 Because they see our unhealthy, poisoned, malnourished, screen ridden children as being little urchins. 01:56:06.940 --> 01:56:11.940 They see their children as the future, not ours. 01:56:11.940 --> 01:56:15.940 Man, oh man, I'm fired up. I love it, Denny. 01:56:15.940 --> 01:56:18.940 And you do a great job of that. 01:56:18.940 --> 01:56:30.940 We're trying to help medical people, other scientists, communicators and the general public to do a great job with how we do it. Okay. 01:56:31.940 --> 01:56:46.940 You're doing an awesome job, Denny. But the problem is that these fact checkers will say that, oh, it's not published in the peer reviewed literature. 01:56:46.940 --> 01:56:57.940 He didn't consider this. Tracy Beth Hoegg will say, oh, gee, if this paper was true, they're going to be throwing all this bullshit at you. 01:56:58.940 --> 01:57:00.940 He wants to talk. 01:57:00.940 --> 01:57:12.940 Let me put your question, though. What you're basically asking me is, what can we do about the fact that the people who have power determine truth and what the narrative is? 01:57:13.940 --> 01:57:14.940 Exactly. 01:57:14.940 --> 01:57:15.940 Exactly. 01:57:15.940 --> 01:57:16.940 Yeah. 01:57:16.940 --> 01:57:25.940 And the answer is the same answer that has been around historically since the beginning of time. 01:57:25.940 --> 01:57:27.940 Human societies. 01:57:27.940 --> 01:57:34.940 Why is Steve excited? Steve excited because he's not talking about the fact that there's no virus anymore. They've gotten him off that topic. 01:57:34.940 --> 01:57:37.940 So now Steve can smile again. It's very funny. 01:57:37.940 --> 01:57:40.940 They are always organized as dominance hierarchies. 01:57:40.940 --> 01:57:50.940 And they can be more democratic where different social groups and social classes have more influence and play a role in determining where the nation as a whole is going to go. 01:57:50.940 --> 01:57:57.940 Or they can be very totalitarian where there's no such thing and everybody that's not part of that elite circle is a surf and that's all there is to it. 01:57:58.940 --> 01:58:08.940 And so you can have these different structures and the answer is every person and every group and every social class and every professional class. 01:58:08.940 --> 01:58:17.940 And if they feel that they prefer society that's more close to the democratic end, then they have to do everything they can to fight to move things in that direction. 01:58:18.940 --> 01:58:32.940 And so you have to eat each person has to decide what what am I going to do and most people have to combine that decision with what am I going to do to survive and what am I going to do to make sure that my kids are okay and that I'm okay and so on. 01:58:32.940 --> 01:58:38.940 So that the end often you can combine the two in a very effective way. 01:58:38.940 --> 01:58:41.940 So that's what people are doing as much as they can. 01:58:41.940 --> 01:58:51.940 But overall, the biggest determinant of this societal structure are the big wheels that really control things. 01:58:51.940 --> 01:58:55.940 And I have written about this and talked about it often. 01:58:55.940 --> 01:58:57.940 It's all about geopolitics. 01:58:57.940 --> 01:59:12.940 The geopolitics is what is is what turns the world geopolitics is the reality that will affect your life in the U.S. in Canada more than anything else for on the on the time scale of decades. 01:59:12.940 --> 01:59:13.940 Okay. 01:59:13.940 --> 01:59:17.940 There was freedom after the Second World War because of geopolitics. 01:59:18.940 --> 01:59:24.940 There was changes in society in the 60s and 70s because of geopolitics. 01:59:24.940 --> 01:59:35.940 There was a closure and a removal and a back racking against democratic influence in the 80s and 90s because of geopolitics. 01:59:36.940 --> 01:59:53.940 There was a sudden increase in predatory globalization at the early 90s because of geopolitics and U.S. corporations were given a free hand to take all the European corporations, Japanese and so on because the Soviet Union had just dissolved. 01:59:53.940 --> 02:00:03.940 And so I've written a very large paper about geopolitics and how it impacts our lives and how it even determines what the ideology in the West is going to be. 02:00:03.940 --> 02:00:07.940 Wokeism and all of that. The origin of it is geopolitical. 02:00:07.940 --> 02:00:12.940 And one can study that. I wrote a big paper in 2019 about this. 02:00:12.940 --> 02:00:24.940 That's been Steve does not like this discussion at all because his handlers don't like this discussion at all that it's about geopolitics that it's about land grabs. 02:00:24.940 --> 02:00:28.940 It's about resources. It's about controlling waterways. 02:00:28.940 --> 02:00:32.940 It's about controlling food. 02:00:32.940 --> 02:00:36.940 It's about controlling supply chains. 02:00:36.940 --> 02:00:41.940 And so we're supposed to pay attention to like, you know, the slaughter of people in Gaza. 02:00:41.940 --> 02:00:49.940 We're supposed to pay attention to the latest variant. We're supposed to pay attention to the latest connections to Epstein. 02:00:49.940 --> 02:00:57.940 We're not supposed to be paying attention to the geopolitical consequences of all the nonsense that's going on right now. 02:00:58.940 --> 02:01:05.940 We're not supposed to pay attention to what's being changed in our food supply was being destroyed in our supply chain. 02:01:05.940 --> 02:01:10.940 How rules and regulations are being changed on with regard to international trade. 02:01:10.940 --> 02:01:16.940 These are not things we're supposed to pay attention to. We're supposed to be worried about the who trade the who committee. 02:01:16.940 --> 02:01:21.940 The who treaty. That's what we should worry about. 02:01:22.940 --> 02:01:27.940 I think I'm going to end it here. I'll watch this later and see if there's anything else that I miss at the end. 02:01:27.940 --> 02:01:31.940 If you've seen the end of this one already, maybe you can recommend it as well. 02:01:31.940 --> 02:01:38.940 Otherwise, I think we've gotten the meat out of that one. And I think Denny did an absolutely fantastic job. 02:01:38.940 --> 02:01:45.940 Had making sure that the main message got out, which there is no evidence of spread. 02:01:45.940 --> 02:01:52.940 In fact, what did he say? No evidence of spread. June 2nd. It was really mass homicide. 02:01:52.940 --> 02:01:58.940 Excess mortality happens not only with transfection, but also with the rollout of particular protocols. 02:01:58.940 --> 02:02:07.940 There was nothing to be saved from. So how could there be a benefit from the transfection? 02:02:07.940 --> 02:02:20.940 Excuse me. I did notice that they did not use the word transfection, although they did talk very much about there not being a virus to the great uncomfortableness of Steve, which made me very happy. 02:02:20.940 --> 02:02:27.940 How to see the medlers. They don't talk about childhood vaccinations, or if they do, they talk about it like a non. 02:02:27.940 --> 02:02:35.940 Just like a thing that can't be solved as Steve talked about it tonight. I'm not really sure how we ever are going to answer these questions. 02:02:35.940 --> 02:02:43.940 There was Steve's conclusion. Let's not talk about strict liability for all pharmaceutical products. That would be a pretty easy way to solve that problem too. 02:02:43.940 --> 02:02:52.940 Let's not talk about the use of protocols to create mass casualty events as a meaningful data point, even though they kind of did. 02:02:52.940 --> 02:02:59.940 Steve has never really talked about it before and doesn't do it regularly. Didn't use the word transfection. Didn't use the word clones. 02:02:59.940 --> 02:03:09.940 Attacked people versus ideas? Hmm, I don't know. And unable to summarize across the entire show, that's almost certainly what happened here. 02:03:09.940 --> 02:03:17.940 Because even though we said there was no evidence of spread, they couldn't summarize to the point whether that means we didn't need to transfect anybody. 02:03:17.940 --> 02:03:21.940 And I wish people would make that point more often. 02:03:21.940 --> 02:03:27.940 I also wish people would bring up the point of where the excess deaths in America are coming from. 02:03:27.940 --> 02:03:34.940 And I don't always get to it myself, but I noticed that they never talk about any other possible causes of excess deaths. 02:03:34.940 --> 02:03:42.940 Like anything to do with the lockdowns, anything to do with opioids, anything to do with suicides, anything to do with depression. 02:03:42.940 --> 02:03:50.940 They mention these things, but they don't mention the fact that they could contribute to all cause mortality rise. 02:03:50.940 --> 02:03:55.940 They could then be blamed on COVID. So tomorrow, I'm going to try and do a show at noon. 02:03:55.940 --> 02:03:59.940 I don't know how well this is going to work for you guys who like to be here late night. 02:03:59.940 --> 02:04:13.940 But for my family, it's going to be better if I'm doing a noon show with my slide deck and my late shows as either a question and answer or a study hall with no slides like I did tonight. 02:04:13.940 --> 02:04:21.940 So I have a slide deck prepared for tomorrow that I'm going to put on in the afternoon sometime between 12 and two so that I'm done before the boys get home. 02:04:21.940 --> 02:04:30.940 And then after the kids are in bed, if all goes well on any particular night, I'm going to plan to do study halls in the evening. 02:04:30.940 --> 02:04:40.940 This doesn't mean that there's going to be a show every day at noon, but I'm going to target doing a show every day at noon as opposed to doing a show every day at nine. 02:04:40.940 --> 02:04:50.940 And so if that means that I'm going to push a study hall to noon and not do it at night, that's more likely to happen than the other way around going forward. 02:04:50.940 --> 02:04:56.940 I think this is going to be better because this is also going to allow me to make videos for my wife's yoga channel. 02:04:56.940 --> 02:05:09.940 And it's also going to allow me to put my videos up on sub stack on the same day that I have streamed them, which right now I'm falling behind very quickly because of the way this works. 02:05:09.940 --> 02:05:14.940 And so I need to get a schedule where my day is broken up in the right way. 02:05:14.940 --> 02:05:22.940 And right now what ends up happening is that I'm working on my stream until the very end and then I decide at the last minute whether I'm going to go on. 02:05:22.940 --> 02:05:32.940 And then as usual, I'm up here until 1130 and I'm so excited to have spent this time with you that when I turn the stream off, it's not like I can just go hit the pillow and pass out. 02:05:32.940 --> 02:05:42.940 And so instead I have to watch or study or I have to read something and so then it ends up be one o'clock before I go to bed and then I'm not up early and then this whole cycle repeats. 02:05:42.940 --> 02:05:47.940 So we're going to try and break that cycle by doing a 11 o'clock noon. 02:05:47.940 --> 02:05:55.940 I'm just going to go with my feeling for these first days until something starts to feel like the right time and then we're going to start to schedule it. 02:05:55.940 --> 02:05:57.940 So you're going to have to bear with me. 02:05:58.940 --> 02:06:07.940 This is a work in progress. Like I said, my wife has been brought on to the operation and so there's going to be more ways to communicate. 02:06:07.940 --> 02:06:18.940 You're going to be more up to date when we start to do the the PDFs and we're going to come up with a few more ways to support that don't have to do with PDFs and send all and that kind of thing. 02:06:19.940 --> 02:06:25.940 But I do think my PDFs are going to be something that you're going to want to download and they're going to be free anyway so you can. 02:06:25.940 --> 02:06:32.940 But the point is I think it'll make subscribing seem a little bit more like something that's worthwhile. 02:06:32.940 --> 02:06:33.940 So anyway. 02:06:33.940 --> 02:06:41.940 Wow, I wasn't planning on saying anything and then I said that we are going to discuss this. 02:06:42.940 --> 02:06:46.940 This this idea tomorrow. 02:06:46.940 --> 02:07:05.940 I've got a really interesting one of my favorite YouTube channels that has nothing to do with COVID actually has all to do with motorcycles that he's a Canada guy did this video about self driving cars that I think I can use to teach some biology, which is just crazy 02:07:05.940 --> 02:07:12.940 but I teach some biology specifically about about how do I do that like this, this nonsense right here. 02:07:12.940 --> 02:07:19.940 So I put this stream or this slide up every night but I have never really taken the time to explain it. 02:07:19.940 --> 02:07:31.940 So we'll talk about Neuralink and we'll talk about Elon Musk and the whole AI thing and we'll talk about self driving cars, motorcycles and biology I guess. 02:07:31.940 --> 02:07:41.940 So it's kind of like we're revisiting the motorcycles and and compound pose video from JC on a bike or JC in the woods all that long time ago. 02:07:41.940 --> 02:07:47.940 So anyway, stop all transfections in humans because they are trying to eliminate the control group. 02:07:47.940 --> 02:08:00.940 Don't forget that intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting your beautiful immune system is dumb and you know where to find me and I will be here again tomorrow. 02:08:00.940 --> 02:08:14.940 Remember it'll be in the afternoon tomorrow, maybe for lunch or early afternoon possibly even 11 Eastern but I think that's too early for you West Coasters and then we'll we'll see how we do the evening shows. 02:08:14.940 --> 02:08:28.940 You can find me at giggleonbiological.com the archive there is a little bit more up to date and you can find a one time donation there and if you scroll down you can find a way to also do the subscribing thing. 02:08:28.940 --> 02:08:47.940 So thank you very much for joining me it's been really fun and I will see you again tomorrow thank you. 02:08:48.940 --> 02:08:59.940 I have no responsibility for the current pandemic. 02:09:00.940 --> 02:09:14.940 Hey that looks better that's better I like that so the guys in gold are not subscribers necessarily but they just made a donation and so I'll update the gold list separately from the active subscribing supporters. 02:09:14.940 --> 02:09:21.940 Again your name is bigger it's because you either you know I've donated in other ways to or you know who you are. 02:09:22.940 --> 02:09:35.940 Anyway thank you very much these are the people that make this possible I do have to say that I need I need a lot more support than this if we're going to keep this up over the next years to come and I do think it's important enough to try and do that. 02:09:35.940 --> 02:09:44.940 So if you can help me by sharing this stream with as many people as you can that would be really really great not driving into important stuff is hard. 02:09:44.940 --> 02:09:54.940 That's what we're going to talk about tomorrow I'm so excited see you later.