WEBVTT 00:53.677 --> 01:21.333 ♪ With the promise that he made ♪ ♪ We'll have broken on the floor ♪ ♪ With the blues that found your heart ♪ ♪ We'll let you beg it for more ♪ ♪ With the promise that he made ♪ ♪ We'll have broken on the floor ♪ ♪ With the blues that found your heart ♪ ♪ We'll let you beg it for more ♪ ♪ We'll let you beg it for more ♪ ♪ We'll let you beg it for more ♪ 02:29.983 --> 02:37.647 ♪ Into everything ♪ ♪ My only desperation, my only life ♪ ♪ The time will take us all ♪ 03:00.316 --> 03:07.541 In its wake, clearly, I will stay And wipe away from you 03:55.742 --> 03:59.203 They say why. 04:01.644 --> 04:06.025 Why they want to terminate my command. 04:06.045 --> 04:23.930 I was sent on a classified mission, sir. 04:28.505 --> 04:31.506 no longer classified, is it? 04:31.526 --> 04:40.009 What did they tell you? 04:43.690 --> 04:49.812 They told me that you had gone totally insane. 04:53.134 --> 04:57.195 And that your methods were 04:58.760 --> 04:59.280 Unsound. 05:03.323 --> 05:04.744 Are my methods unsound? 05:11.429 --> 05:17.033 I don't see any method at all, sir. 05:45.802 --> 05:47.464 Testing 1-2. 05:47.524 --> 05:48.865 Test 1-2. 05:49.005 --> 05:49.445 Testing. 05:56.892 --> 06:01.836 A little tear came to my eye when I read the note about the 10 bluegill caught in the Apple River. 06:01.896 --> 06:02.137 I wish 06:03.965 --> 06:06.747 A huge part of me wishes I could give that to my sons. 06:07.567 --> 06:12.650 Right now they're floundering in Pittsburgh and I've got to do something about it and that brought a little tear to my eye. 06:12.670 --> 06:13.991 I don't know what to say other than that. 06:14.011 --> 06:15.732 Thank you very much for making that comment. 06:15.952 --> 06:19.194 I'm glad somewhere that still exists. 06:25.674 --> 06:28.316 If you're not watching this guy's output, you're not watching. 06:29.177 --> 06:32.140 Please make sure you're paying attention to what this man is doing. 06:33.160 --> 06:43.689 His work is as important as mine is right now, because these people are meddlers, and they have been meddling for a very, very long time. 06:44.470 --> 06:50.095 Different teams pretending to be different people, and it's all... 06:51.836 --> 06:52.737 It's all terrible right now. 06:52.757 --> 06:56.741 I'm afraid that the latest data tells us that we're dealing with essentially a worst case scenario. 06:57.161 --> 07:01.745 I'm afraid that the latest data tells us that we're dealing with essentially a worst case scenario. 07:01.825 --> 07:05.969 I'm afraid that the latest data tells us that we're dealing with essentially a worst case scenario. 07:08.311 --> 07:09.852 I think truth is good for kids. 07:10.293 --> 07:14.136 We're so busy lying, we don't even recognize the truth no more in society. 07:14.596 --> 07:16.238 We want everybody to feel good. 07:16.358 --> 07:18.320 That's not the way life is. 07:21.069 --> 07:24.991 But you can tell if someone's lying, you know, you can sort of feel it in people. 07:26.772 --> 07:27.493 And I have lied. 07:27.513 --> 07:28.553 I'm sure I'll lie again. 07:28.573 --> 07:29.494 I don't want to lie. 07:29.994 --> 07:31.335 You know, I don't think I'm a liar. 07:31.435 --> 07:32.476 I try not to be a liar. 07:32.496 --> 07:33.356 I don't want to be a liar. 07:33.917 --> 07:36.638 I think it's like really important not to be a liar. 07:40.455 --> 07:58.978 Jonathan, who's going to talk about his latest distillation of what the pandemic means to society, to biology, to science, and to democracy, and to the whole kind of idea of empiricism and integrity. 07:58.998 --> 08:08.560 And then each of us, this incredible preeminent panel that we have, each one of you is going to get a chance to comment 08:12.401 --> 08:18.014 It doesn't matter much at all what you believe about vaccines until we invent really important ones. 08:18.677 --> 08:30.922 you know, until we have a pandemic that's killing everyone, you know, and, you know, it's not, it's, you know, measles plus, you know, okay, I can tolerate what you think about measles because, you know, not that many people die from it. 08:31.222 --> 08:33.222 It's just a big hassle in the end. 08:33.823 --> 08:39.825 But no, when we have this new pandemic that is, you know, got 75% mortality and it's not, 08:46.167 --> 08:49.508 there'll be no pretense of being polite in the face of these beliefs. 08:49.568 --> 08:52.069 It'll be a moral emergency because it has to be. 09:25.069 --> 09:48.323 I somehow didn't cue that up right. 09:48.363 --> 09:50.264 Look at how this works. 09:50.364 --> 09:50.765 It's just a... 09:52.821 --> 09:55.984 Just an imperfect one-man show here, that's all I can really say. 09:56.164 --> 09:58.806 One day at a time trying to dispel the enchantment. 09:58.826 --> 10:01.428 It's never gonna be perfect, but we're gonna get better and better. 10:02.428 --> 10:04.550 That's what you saw at the Red Pill conference. 10:05.871 --> 10:10.815 I expect lots of minute-by-minute responses to that, of course. 10:10.955 --> 10:12.116 Very doubtful. 10:12.136 --> 10:13.837 Very doubtful. 10:14.037 --> 10:18.621 I got all doubtful. 10:21.475 --> 10:24.857 I'm trying to adjust the sound in my ears. 10:24.877 --> 10:25.957 That's the problem here. 10:26.057 --> 10:35.802 It sounds really loud to me. 10:35.862 --> 10:44.266 Yeah, the music is really loud. 10:44.386 --> 10:45.187 I see that now. 10:45.267 --> 10:46.067 Okay, I got that. 10:46.928 --> 10:48.808 Something was really overloading there. 10:53.464 --> 10:54.925 And this one is like slow. 10:54.985 --> 10:56.125 We need that at about 115. 10:56.285 --> 10:58.086 I like that better. 11:01.607 --> 11:01.827 Oh boy. 11:01.887 --> 11:02.867 Can you hear me better now? 11:03.027 --> 11:03.768 I am Katniss. 11:03.808 --> 11:06.389 I think you were actually first today there, by the way. 11:06.469 --> 11:11.831 So if you just send me an email, I'll get the, get the cash in the envelope and in the mail immediately. 11:11.851 --> 11:11.891 Um, 11:15.759 --> 11:19.322 Yeah, it's really just a matter of what is perceived to be true. 11:19.362 --> 11:21.604 There was no evidence of spread in New York City. 11:21.624 --> 11:25.847 It could be fraud, could be murder and fraud, could be murder, fraud and fraud. 11:27.068 --> 11:29.149 Infectious clones are the only real threat. 11:29.189 --> 11:30.731 How about we just say transfection? 11:31.571 --> 11:35.735 and transformation of any kind is a real thing. 11:35.956 --> 11:42.222 And that they have not been, we haven't really been talking about that as the basis for virology. 11:42.282 --> 11:49.850 And nobody has, not even the people who object to virology and could have used that as an extra driver in their set of wedges. 11:49.910 --> 11:51.171 I mean, I don't understand. 11:51.932 --> 11:55.833 Um, placebo badges is another thing that people could have used like a bludgeon. 11:56.653 --> 12:07.877 Um, but none of them seem to have been able to explain that in addition to all the other crazy things they've been pulling their hair out about, imagine if these people were clever enough to use placebos! 12:09.707 --> 12:12.149 And of course, we're still not using the word transfection. 12:12.209 --> 12:18.673 We now have actual no-virus-promoting people going around asking, what should we call these shots? 12:18.753 --> 12:24.737 As if, you know, nobody's been screaming from the rooftops for four years that they're transfections. 12:26.052 --> 12:48.282 The protocols were definitely murder, but it's just a question of how do you really describe that accurately, and I think I'm one of the few people on the internet, Mark Kulak's one of the few people on the internet that likes to try to be very inclusive so that people understand that as long as they killed as many people as possible and blamed as much of it on the virus, that would work, right? 12:48.302 --> 12:49.623 So I mean, if... 12:51.899 --> 13:19.446 It's just extraordinary where we are the Scooby-Doo is still on you saw two days ago We looked at a Senate hearing yesterday, which is just the Scooby-Doo on stage and the people who disagree with this Scooby-Doo narrative Are attributed bad motives, you know, we're bad guys I don't know who we work for now because seems like to me I couldn't work for anybody anymore because nobody everybody hates me so I guess I'm not getting paid by anyone and 13:20.166 --> 13:27.810 Which is good, because then I guess that means that this stream is going to disappear very soon, and they won't have any problems with me anymore, but I'm afraid that's not the case. 13:28.231 --> 13:33.674 They're much more worried about what people see when they are shown through GigaOM Biological. 13:33.714 --> 13:38.496 That's what they're really worried about, because not... Social media has made it hard. 13:39.437 --> 13:43.199 So hard that people who normally would have seen, haven't seen it. 13:44.332 --> 13:57.496 People who would have otherwise figured it out 20 years ago if there were only three channels to watch, or would have figured it out if this was a controversy over a trading scheme for two different sports teams. 13:57.896 --> 14:11.440 But since it was about virology, and since we've been told to go limp when it's not our expertise, when it comes to science, then people haven't figured out that AI is an illusion, and the promise that AI and data collection is gonna get to the stage where we can just 14:12.000 --> 14:19.065 kind of turn the crank and out will come the solution to humanity's problems is just a pipe dream unless the answer is 42. 14:22.366 --> 14:29.228 So we are asking some dangerous questions that a lot of people have been asking, but not in the way that, you know, gets you to the answer. 14:29.288 --> 14:32.268 And that's what's starting to become very, very obvious to us. 14:32.368 --> 14:49.532 The more we move forward together as a group on Giga Home Biological, the charlatans and the power that they have over us is nearly completely transparent because we finally realized that there's at least two or three sides to this story and they would indeed turn 14:50.692 --> 15:19.803 the legacy of a father against a son they would definitely use the legacy of a father against us and uh the most beautiful patriot that that may have ever walked the earth at one point or another from the american perspective may well be being used actively against us right now which is pretty scary for me to say out loud but you know might as well tell the truth while the mic still works uh no one else is gonna do it 15:24.491 --> 15:44.142 So I think this is really a wave, it's a coordinated wave, and it's just that we have grossly underestimated, every one of us, including me and Mark, have grossly underestimated how many people this wave is composed of, and how coordinated the network is, how many different accounts are fake on Twitter. 15:44.522 --> 15:46.744 It's finally hit me like a ton of bricks that 15:47.304 --> 15:55.692 Kevin McKernan on the 24th of April, 2020, already declared on the Vance Crowe podcast that Twitter was the place where this argument was taking place. 15:55.712 --> 16:02.197 And then he reinforced that idea again on May 12th, 2020, again on the same podcast. 16:02.718 --> 16:08.543 And this wave of consensus has been an illusion all along, just like that fake wave that that guy was surfing on. 16:08.583 --> 16:12.327 We can surf on this one really easy because it goes to the deep water. 16:13.968 --> 16:19.152 We don't even need to be afraid of it because if we wipe out, it's not going to bash us into the coral reef. 16:19.192 --> 16:21.633 It's going to bash us into the deep water and it's going to be fine. 16:21.673 --> 16:23.574 And anytime they want to, they can turn it off. 16:24.355 --> 16:25.536 That's how sad this is. 16:25.756 --> 16:37.084 And we've all been made to believe through our own skillful social media use, including my own, because of course, remember, I got trapped first and foremost on Twitter by a group called Drastic. 16:38.129 --> 16:39.890 And we need to stay focused on the biology. 16:39.930 --> 16:41.591 We don't want to take their bait anymore. 16:41.612 --> 16:47.456 It might be time to leave Twitter altogether, although you get so much good stuff from that. 16:48.296 --> 16:50.838 There's so much clowning going on there. 16:50.858 --> 16:53.140 The problem is, is nobody sees the same thing. 16:53.180 --> 17:01.505 And so there's an illusion that's created already because you think you're using something that isn't being used against you, but it's actually wholly turned against you. 17:01.525 --> 17:04.307 So we've got to spread this word as much as we can. 17:05.453 --> 17:07.475 Um, and we've got to keep pressure on. 17:08.116 --> 17:10.618 Can't get distracted by the stuff that they're going to pull. 17:10.658 --> 17:14.301 Although today I am going to, I am going to take you into the well again. 17:14.321 --> 17:16.323 The dark, dark well. 17:16.343 --> 17:20.948 Uh, the cesspool that is T. Morris K. Samario. 17:21.971 --> 17:31.962 because team worst case scenario is where I got trapped and the reason why I wasn't able to save some of my friends and family because I was trapped in their illusion, in their illusion of consensus. 17:32.963 --> 17:36.027 And I want to take a look every once in a while at that. 17:36.067 --> 17:37.509 I want to use Thursdays to do it. 17:37.529 --> 17:38.670 We can't always do it. 17:38.690 --> 17:39.931 We're not always going to go back. 17:40.672 --> 17:46.933 to this particular person, but I think it's really important because things can be revealed if done correctly. 17:47.013 --> 17:51.974 We don't have to dip our feet too long into this filth. 17:52.455 --> 17:57.556 But we will do it today because the illusion is sustained only through your active participation. 17:58.456 --> 18:07.098 And I think if you're shown the illusion as well as I can, then it's really going to punch through some people. 18:08.718 --> 18:13.100 So a united non-compliance is where we're going and so I want to help you see the illusion. 18:13.140 --> 18:14.761 Just give me a second to get everything going. 18:14.801 --> 18:16.202 This is Giga Home Biological. 18:51.071 --> 18:51.852 Hello everybody. 18:52.712 --> 18:57.075 First and foremost, thanks to who remains right now kind of anonymous. 18:57.135 --> 19:04.240 I don't know if you meant to be that way or not, but somebody sent me this t-shirt before I went to the Red Pill and I didn't want to wear it there. 19:05.269 --> 19:26.939 Because I already had a plan of what to do at the red pill you saw on stage I wore my basketball jersey the cheap thing that I printed on Amazon And that turned out actually to be a really smart thing because I didn't have any I didn't print up any business cards I didn't have anything to give away and so I was just taking selfies with my basketball jersey on and that actually ended up to be really good because I got the name out there a little bit not that I have 19:27.642 --> 19:32.503 I haven't even gained a subscriber since I got back from the Red Pill Conference, but that's okay. 19:32.984 --> 19:38.705 What I have gained is a lot more ire and negative attention from the clown show. 19:39.286 --> 19:48.568 And I've come to realize that that's a very good barometer for how over the target I am and for how desperate they are for me to stop saying whatever it is I just said. 19:49.128 --> 19:57.071 So since the Red Pill Conference was such a kind of t-ball event where it felt like I was in a batting cage and 19:58.306 --> 20:04.711 And at one point in high school, I could hit really well in the batting cage, but I'll be really honest, in front of a pitcher, I couldn't, I couldn't. 20:04.871 --> 20:07.273 I mean, I was, I was hopeless. 20:07.333 --> 20:11.095 I mean, it was really a couple, three years of disappointment, right? 20:11.135 --> 20:13.457 Because I could go in the batting cage and just ring them. 20:14.077 --> 20:18.641 And then when I would get in front of a, get in front of a pitcher, I would just, I mean, I was terrible. 20:18.701 --> 20:21.143 So anyway, freedom is measured in ohms. 20:21.183 --> 20:21.843 Thank you very much. 20:21.883 --> 20:23.584 It's got a little family in the middle and stuff. 20:23.624 --> 20:24.845 It's really quite bad-ass. 20:25.246 --> 20:26.607 It's a good idea, a good design. 20:27.447 --> 20:30.549 And it can make me pretty happy when somebody sends something like that. 20:30.569 --> 20:32.571 So I don't need a lot more T-shirts. 20:32.631 --> 20:39.595 Please don't everybody start doing that because I mean, you know how that works with T-shirts and stuff, but it was a really nice gesture. 20:39.615 --> 20:40.736 So I'm a human just like you. 20:41.236 --> 20:42.217 I will make mistakes. 20:42.297 --> 20:45.819 I probably not taught everything correctly, but I can tell you one thing for sure. 20:46.300 --> 20:47.761 I'm not being told what to say. 20:48.201 --> 20:53.104 And for absolute sure, I'm sure that a lot of these people are working together. 20:53.625 --> 20:56.567 And those two things you can take to the bank. 20:58.468 --> 21:04.193 because intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb. 21:04.693 --> 21:08.776 And none of these people will address this simple idea and say, well, at least Jay's right about that. 21:09.617 --> 21:23.649 They will cut me down, swear about me, make fun of me, do say 10 or 12 hours of straight streaming titled after me over the course of a month. 21:24.711 --> 21:29.615 There's some pretty unique phenomenon happening around the world that are associated with this stream. 21:29.675 --> 21:33.599 So if you're here for the first time, welcome to The Edge. 21:33.659 --> 21:37.262 Transfection in healthy humans is criminally negligent, and it always was. 21:38.403 --> 21:42.726 And in fact, it took me a while to realize that fact in 2020. 21:43.747 --> 21:46.870 And in fact, I think a lot of people should have come to that conclusion. 21:48.411 --> 21:55.919 in listening to the description on PBS NewsHour given by Bill Gates or in listening to the description of it in any number of other media sources. 21:56.500 --> 21:58.262 So finally, RNA cannot pandemic. 21:58.302 --> 22:03.167 I've noticed a recent theme now where everybody's saying that now I'm saying there's no viruses and all this other stuff. 22:03.928 --> 22:05.570 This is the furthest from the truth. 22:06.070 --> 22:09.874 It's just the idea that viruses as the cartoon pathogen 22:10.916 --> 22:13.319 I don't think that that's a very valid claim. 22:13.800 --> 22:19.207 It is possible that RNA for a brief period of time could be self-replicable. 22:19.307 --> 22:21.370 I mean, it could replicate itself. 22:21.430 --> 22:26.317 It's possible that a transfection would result in protein expression that could result in 22:27.558 --> 22:28.218 inflammation. 22:28.258 --> 22:37.723 If that protein itself was inflammatory or immunogenic and you coughed it out, then coughing that protein on someone else could cause them to have similar symptoms as you. 22:38.483 --> 22:42.725 But all of these things are not the same thing as an RNA molecule causing a pandemic. 22:43.125 --> 22:49.128 And so again, I will challenge you to be able to see already, if you've been following me for a while, that even though these people 22:50.936 --> 22:55.219 These people feign as though they are putting me up on a tee and hitting me with a nine iron. 22:56.360 --> 22:59.743 It's not happening because they're not addressing these ideas. 22:59.783 --> 23:00.724 They're feigning it. 23:00.764 --> 23:04.126 They make a little straw man that they say represents one of these ideas. 23:04.627 --> 23:15.215 And then they, they say that Jay ignores me like the bolus and explaining that, that intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb. 23:15.796 --> 23:19.782 But if you do intramuscular injection with aspiration first, then it's fine. 23:20.242 --> 23:28.575 And that's just the most absurd thing I've ever heard in my whole life because it ignores the heart of the biological aspect of that statement. 23:29.602 --> 23:32.844 And the same thing with transfection, it's just always the same thing. 23:33.245 --> 23:35.486 You know, oh, he doesn't talk about the lipid nanoparticle. 23:35.526 --> 23:37.468 Yes, he does talk about the lipid nanoparticle. 23:37.508 --> 23:38.989 Oh, he doesn't talk about frameshift. 23:39.009 --> 23:39.550 Yes, he does. 23:39.630 --> 23:40.150 No, he doesn't. 23:40.610 --> 23:44.513 All of these things are part of a long list of things that we said were bad about it. 23:44.914 --> 23:57.283 And we've always started with the statement that even if it was in its perfect form, in its purest form, in its least toxic lipid nanoparticle, transfection, the expression of a foreign protein in random tissues in your body would suck. 23:59.318 --> 24:09.166 And it's so simple for these people to explain, but instead they spend hours and hours trying to characterize my motives as being bad or me as being stupid. 24:10.587 --> 24:12.508 I mean, it would be really easy to ignore me. 24:12.568 --> 24:14.830 I only have 3,000 followers on Twitch. 24:14.890 --> 24:19.294 My videos get like 150 views after a week on my own platform. 24:19.374 --> 24:20.455 Nobody's watching me. 24:21.175 --> 24:24.518 So it's hard to really explain why people spend so much time on me. 24:26.786 --> 24:30.979 The only thing I can come to is that the numbers that I see don't mean the people that have seen me. 24:31.772 --> 24:33.413 And so there are other ways to say it. 24:33.713 --> 24:41.015 And again, these people aren't gonna talk about how we have been bamboozled and how long we've been bamboozled. 24:41.035 --> 24:53.540 They wanna focus specifically on the pandemic, nevermind the fact that this has been going on since Gallo, since Baltimore, since Gardner, since Kaprowski, since Plotkin. 24:53.640 --> 25:00.523 All of these people are the grandfathers of this mess and the ideological headmasters of this school. 25:01.323 --> 25:10.205 And yet somehow or another, the rest of these pinheads are only focused on the last four years and the characters that mainstream media and social media have chucked in our faces. 25:10.965 --> 25:16.026 You know, like, like, like Angie Rasmussen, for the love of goodness. 25:17.967 --> 25:21.008 I know that Kevin McCarren's had a crush on her for how long? 25:21.048 --> 25:26.509 How many different lingerie photos does he post of her every stream for the first two years of this? 25:28.484 --> 25:36.787 So I'm going to get out of that slideshow and there's the video there that we're going to start with, but I've got another slide deck that I want to go through because there is a story to tell here. 25:37.527 --> 25:41.528 And there are few things that are more dishonorable than misleading the young. 25:41.588 --> 25:44.549 And I think that's what these people have been up to for quite some time. 25:45.010 --> 25:46.670 It has been a coordinated effort. 25:46.730 --> 25:51.972 I know it seems diabolical, but if you believe this is a national security event and you believe that 25:52.472 --> 26:02.003 fifth-generation warfare is being waged upon you, I assure you that fifth-generation warfare includes more than one group of liars lying to you about their relationship. 26:04.065 --> 26:11.152 I assure you that fifth-generation warfare involves more than one group of liars lying to you about their relationship. 26:12.148 --> 26:15.909 That is the primary mode of fifth generation warfare. 26:16.009 --> 26:22.290 I assure you, it is groups of liars lying to you about their relationship, probably using multiple accounts on Twitter. 26:22.631 --> 26:27.632 Twitter may be one of the fifth generation warfare that's being waged upon us right now. 26:28.312 --> 26:32.433 It may be absolutely useless to anybody who's not a super user. 26:33.251 --> 26:36.773 For all we know, every one of us sees a different set of tweets. 26:37.373 --> 26:42.936 Every one of us never gets to see the people we think we're seeing, and it's already a screened group of random shit. 26:43.696 --> 26:44.437 How would you know? 26:46.958 --> 26:50.160 And these people might be able to send messages, share messages. 26:50.580 --> 26:53.301 It might be like Slack for them, and for us it's Twitter. 26:55.382 --> 26:56.543 Do you see my point here? 26:59.312 --> 27:08.525 And if half of these people can edit each other or half of these people can be edited by another third party team or a group of people that decide, okay, we've got a plan. 27:09.446 --> 27:11.910 Don't worry about what happens on your Twitter page today. 27:12.290 --> 27:13.352 We're going to do some shit. 27:15.711 --> 27:18.333 Don't worry about what shows up on your sub stack. 27:18.353 --> 27:21.316 We're gonna put some stuff up today on a few sub stacks. 27:21.356 --> 27:22.477 We got some moves to make. 27:23.278 --> 27:25.740 That's how this is working right now, ladies and gentlemen. 27:26.181 --> 27:29.544 It's not just people trying their best to write the article of the day. 27:30.825 --> 27:35.129 It's not just people trying to tweet the retweet and answer and get clever. 27:37.351 --> 27:40.414 This is an orchestrated show. 27:42.307 --> 27:48.549 designed to get us to engage with it, just like that illusion about the mystery of the novel virus we all have to solve. 27:49.209 --> 27:52.970 Twitter is made to get you to engage in it so that you think you're figuring shit out. 27:53.910 --> 27:54.850 And it's not true. 27:55.870 --> 28:01.332 A lot of these people actually might be lying about who they are, especially the anonymous ones. 28:05.253 --> 28:09.654 And so today I would just like to single out, for example, that Kevin McCarran and Kevin McKernan 28:11.072 --> 28:17.797 two supposedly completely independent actors have been in touch with me for a very, very long time. 28:17.857 --> 28:27.885 You saw the podcast that we looked at that's still on YouTube, never got bounced from the 24th of April, 2020 with Kevin McKernan, trying to find my arrow up here. 28:28.906 --> 28:37.492 And you know that I was on five podcasts in a row, about five weekends out of six in March and April, or sorry, in yeah, March and April of 2020. 28:39.986 --> 29:07.334 And so since he was working already the podcast at the end of April and early May, and I was also being worked on podcasts in March and April and May, I thought it would be curious to see what kind of talking points we would find on the 20th of April, right before the 24th of April when he went on the Vance Crowe podcast and basically said everything that Tony Fauci would love him to say if he were part of a national security narrative control team. 29:08.476 --> 29:16.398 that was put in place very early to make sure that they would have spokespeople in the PCR space that had time to do podcast appearances. 29:16.679 --> 29:24.601 You know, like maybe on, I don't know, Alison Morrow's show or Shannon Joy, or maybe even Malick in a year or two, right? 29:32.677 --> 29:36.841 And so these are all people who say we need to fear free-range RNA molecules. 29:37.342 --> 29:46.572 And I would like to point out to you that on LifeSite News, Kevin McKernan and Kevin McCarran were featured in the same article in March. 29:46.952 --> 29:48.494 March 4th, to be precise. 29:48.514 --> 29:49.495 You can find it yourself. 29:51.741 --> 30:02.769 where at the beginning of the article, they plug Kevin McCairn explains the mRNA technology used in the COVID jab is causing the same frame shifting that prior research indicates leads to harmful prion production. 30:04.684 --> 30:05.624 Thought it was amyloid. 30:05.784 --> 30:06.525 Maybe it's both. 30:06.625 --> 30:07.045 I don't know. 30:07.285 --> 30:08.765 Maybe he'll explain it later in here. 30:08.785 --> 30:16.027 In recent months, the long denied dangers of mRNA injections have been tentatively admitted by the mainstream press. 30:16.707 --> 30:21.449 So this is the LifeSite News, you know, where they promoted Malone and a lot of these other people very early. 30:21.489 --> 30:24.170 An incredibly sketchy website. 30:24.190 --> 30:32.692 If we read on, we find that there's even a presentation that was given to people in Australia about this shit. 30:35.877 --> 30:50.402 And I guess he's at the Korean Brain Institute, which is weird because I think when we look at this video from, I would think when we look at this video with Addy Ads, Addy Ads has got something running under there that says he's at Kyoto University in Japan. 30:50.822 --> 30:55.063 Here in this, he says he's at the Korea Brain Institute, which is really strange. 30:55.103 --> 30:57.464 So I can't seem to get their shit right there. 30:57.864 --> 30:59.385 And so this is just from March, 2024. 31:02.182 --> 31:07.065 Talk about titrating the narrative and slow rolling these heroes together into one article. 31:07.446 --> 31:12.049 If we go further into the article, you see that there's a video of Kevin McKernan at the bottom. 31:15.111 --> 31:21.655 On February 29th, genomics expert Kevin McKernan spoke on how he too attempted to raise concerns over. 31:22.076 --> 31:22.976 So they agree. 31:23.076 --> 31:26.899 He too tried to raise, I'm totally down with Kevin McCairn. 31:31.069 --> 31:35.612 How can we see it any other way than even if they weren't coordinating from the very beginning? 31:35.652 --> 31:37.193 They're certainly coordinated now. 31:37.293 --> 31:39.694 They're certainly on the same team of meddlers now. 31:40.234 --> 31:41.155 This is a traitor. 31:42.956 --> 31:47.419 Working with somebody who lives in Japan, who's been retired because he hurt his head or something. 31:47.459 --> 31:52.962 I don't know what his story was, but he wasn't actively doing experiments at the start of the pandemic. 31:54.063 --> 31:57.965 He was either medical leave or he was retired because of a medical thing. 31:59.926 --> 32:02.428 He might even tell us in the video we're going to watch today. 32:03.529 --> 32:09.133 But it is not random that these two characters are featured in a LifeSite news article. 32:09.173 --> 32:10.314 That's not random. 32:11.855 --> 32:16.558 They're not just going to do a page about me and Jessica Rose because we agree on something. 32:16.598 --> 32:17.439 That doesn't happen. 32:24.042 --> 32:31.025 And so this spread of dangerous ideas, this spread of bad ideas by dangerous people has been going on since the very beginning of the pandemic. 32:31.065 --> 32:32.786 This is how they've been controlling us. 32:36.128 --> 32:45.112 That's why you see on Twitter this ridiculous Scooby-Doo working its way out now where people are really like, oh my gosh, duh. 32:46.587 --> 32:47.948 And how are they saying, duh? 32:48.329 --> 32:49.790 It has to do with antibodies. 32:49.870 --> 32:52.193 It has to do with an unusual fear and cleavage site. 32:52.213 --> 32:54.195 It has to do with a DARPA diffuse proposal. 32:54.796 --> 32:58.039 All of the bullshit that I said they were going to tie together in 2020. 32:59.320 --> 33:02.564 And was the reason why I didn't want to be a part of drastic anymore. 33:04.158 --> 33:15.028 The reason why Charles Rixey had to show up at my house in Pittsburgh so that we would stream about the DARPA Diffuse Proposal, and I would say, yeah, well, in neuroscience, you gotta have data before you can submit a grant. 33:15.048 --> 33:20.673 So I guess maybe they had some data for this proposal, but it's a DARPA proposal. 33:21.454 --> 33:23.236 DARPA proposals don't need data. 33:25.680 --> 33:34.022 And certainly they wouldn't need data like an R01 grant from a young neuroscientist like I would have been talking about in that stream. 33:37.522 --> 33:51.065 Oh my goodness, it's just, it can make me really want to vomit because of course, not even, I think a day ago, maybe two days ago, Kevin McCarren and all of his bubbling, I don't know, fury, 33:53.351 --> 33:57.134 He defended all of these people and said that they speak well to the public. 33:59.457 --> 34:10.608 That somehow, I guess, I'm losing my mind because I believe that these people might be against us, but he's from Japan and he knows for sure that these people just speak well to the public. 34:12.410 --> 34:19.372 I don't think he's ever going to usefully address why this guy was saying the same thing that he was saying from a different angle at the same time in April 2020. 34:19.552 --> 34:33.996 I don't think he's going to address why two weeks later he would have to come on that show and clarify some more about the PCR space, testing weed for the virus, while Kevin McCairn is in Japan saying that a billion people could die. 34:34.076 --> 34:37.176 So my wife's staying at home and making masks for everybody we know. 34:37.917 --> 34:39.097 We should lock down hard. 34:41.089 --> 35:03.722 Co-streaming with a fake doctor named Paul Cottrell as if I mean Part of the reason why I didn't just stop streaming with Paul Cottrell was because Kevin McCarran behind the scenes kind of convinced me that we had to we had to monitor this dude because if he is fake then maybe we we can oppose him, you know, or 35:04.744 --> 35:08.168 keep tabs on him or some shit I don't even remember anymore, to be honest. 35:08.809 --> 35:12.914 But it wasn't a genuine, you know, come and talk to us about this stuff. 35:14.764 --> 35:24.251 And he even specifically felt the need a couple days ago to say that, oh, it's ridiculous that he's kind of insinuating that I was working with Paul Cutrell. 35:24.271 --> 35:24.972 Of course he was. 35:25.012 --> 35:26.553 They were all working on the same team. 35:26.973 --> 35:35.679 That's why they were streaming with somebody by the name of Addie Adds, because Addie Adds was working with George Webb already before the pandemic. 35:35.699 --> 35:37.621 So, I mean, that's just a joke to me. 35:39.363 --> 35:43.246 And of course, Paul Cutrell was promoted as George Webb's favorite of favorites. 35:43.327 --> 35:51.654 So either Kevin McCairn didn't know that all those people were working together with George Webb already before the pandemic, or he was working with them. 35:54.073 --> 35:59.038 Now, most likely he was working with them because he tried to rope me into some, you know, this is the fight. 35:59.098 --> 36:00.159 This is the place to be. 36:00.579 --> 36:02.541 You know, we have to oppose Andy Kaufman. 36:02.581 --> 36:06.004 We have to speak up and make sure we don't, we say it's not 5G. 36:06.044 --> 36:11.009 We have to make sure that we show that fake Dr. Paul Cottrell is selling silver. 36:12.730 --> 36:15.653 Get me running in a hamster wheel that they're fully in control of. 36:17.102 --> 36:24.146 Not much different than working for CHD if you don't have your head on straight and realize that there's meddlers in every group like I did. 36:28.088 --> 36:46.217 And so instead of promoting me and using me to destroy the vaccine schedule, to teach immunology on their website, to teach a high school course to young biologists and support that work, they tried to keep me in an office and tried to keep me record collecting and tried to keep me database juggling. 36:49.278 --> 36:53.219 The TV group at CHD wanted me to do a TV show and everybody said no. 36:54.200 --> 36:56.620 That's definitely not why I'm there. 37:01.022 --> 37:03.322 Ladies and gentlemen, these people are just liars. 37:03.382 --> 37:04.863 I'm sorry, they're just liars. 37:04.903 --> 37:12.325 And that's why Jessica Rose and Meryl Nass and Robert Malone all had to be brought on Bobby's podcast. 37:12.765 --> 37:17.987 And instead of me just talking to Bobby one-on-one for an hour about how virology is fake, 37:18.507 --> 37:25.409 and how they use transfection and transformation to create the illusion of virology in animal models and in cell culture. 37:26.330 --> 37:33.392 Instead, I got seven minutes and the rest of these clowns got to babble about the bullshit that Robert Malone said for 40 minutes before any of them talked. 37:34.572 --> 37:39.154 And that's why Tess Laurie looks just as confused through the entire hour and a half show. 37:41.052 --> 37:45.397 And it's not any different than what these three guys did to the guy behind me, Byron Bridle. 37:45.977 --> 37:50.161 Made him feel like he was being listened to, made him feel like he was getting his point across. 37:50.702 --> 37:59.291 And in the meantime, they're never, ever, ever going to get that ball over the edge where they say that this was always, I mean, we always knew it was bad though. 38:01.192 --> 38:02.473 He knows it was always bad. 38:02.534 --> 38:03.935 He knew it would always be bad. 38:03.995 --> 38:14.907 But the way that these guys will take it forward will never adequately represent the idea that this guy knew that if it goes everywhere in your body that immunologically it's really, really, really dumb. 38:16.069 --> 38:20.914 Even if it went exactly where you wanted it to, chances are it wouldn't work out the way you wanted it to. 38:21.334 --> 38:22.556 But if it goes anywhere, 38:23.180 --> 38:29.844 And everywhere, then you have a almost unlimited number of problems in the potential list. 38:30.544 --> 38:31.945 What I want is high morbidity. 38:32.606 --> 38:34.227 And so is this guy a whistleblower? 38:34.287 --> 38:36.588 Is this guy somebody who was trying to tell us something in 2017? 38:36.628 --> 38:36.748 Maybe. 38:36.768 --> 38:36.888 Maybe. 38:40.228 --> 38:44.111 I know for sure that I can credit him with really understanding what they were doing here. 38:44.552 --> 38:56.502 And it took many, many repetitions for me to understand that several groups of liars agreeing to lie about their relationship between each other would be the ultimate in Lollapalooza of liars. 38:56.542 --> 39:01.506 And that's why I think Lollapalooza of liars is so good, because you have different groups over there. 39:01.906 --> 39:06.270 You have the TV group, and then you have this RFK Robert Malone group. 39:06.671 --> 39:22.185 And then you also have some of these fringe groups, you know, over here with this Vajon Health and here at Vandenbosch over in the UK with that dude where Kevin McCairn and Charles Rixey and Christine Grace also presented this past spring. 39:23.086 --> 39:26.569 They all did like this weekend seminar where those three were a whole session. 39:27.410 --> 39:39.640 And then the German guy who put that on was on Kevin McCarron's stream like two or three or three four weeks in a row it seemed like talking about prions and selling his uh his German cure for spike proteins. 39:42.262 --> 39:52.409 So the grift is on ladies and gentlemen and they're not even they don't even care anymore probably because they know I'm invisible on Twitter and because they know that the only way to share me is via email. 39:52.489 --> 39:56.553 So you got to change your strategies now you got to use your email list 39:57.253 --> 40:00.216 You got to be clever and say, hey, I really need you to watch this video. 40:00.276 --> 40:13.587 I know it's on Odyssey or I know it's somewhere where you don't go, but I need you to watch this guy's presentation because just ignore his introduction and just listen to what he's saying and try to use common sense and follow your heart. 40:14.427 --> 40:20.011 Because I do think we can save a lot of people from this illusion that we need to fear free-range RNA molecules. 40:20.051 --> 40:24.255 And I think the way that we can do it is point out that these people are really put in place. 40:24.355 --> 40:24.915 They're fake. 40:25.435 --> 40:27.117 The things that they talk about are fake. 40:27.177 --> 40:28.598 The way they talk about is fake. 40:28.638 --> 40:32.040 The things and the questions that they get excited about are fake. 40:32.441 --> 40:37.004 And that's why this video taken from a discussion where apparently 40:38.665 --> 40:54.703 Mr. Brandt has recently converted to Christianity, and they're talking about the usefulness of God and religion, and these are the two worst people to talk about that kind of stuff, simply because you can look at their lifelong history and what they've done as men, and you won't be very impressed. 40:55.604 --> 40:57.145 You won't be very impressed at all. 40:57.646 --> 40:58.847 And so here we are, right? 40:59.928 --> 41:00.369 Here we are. 41:03.186 --> 41:04.106 These are the traitors. 41:04.326 --> 41:12.949 These are the people who are selling our kids out to get themselves a place in the ruling elite or get their little piece of comfort, whatever it is. 41:13.929 --> 41:20.291 And they're all playing against us by curating this limited spectrum of debate as Noam Chomsky described. 41:21.087 --> 41:33.238 That limited spectrum of debate was better described in some ways by Edward Bernays in 1924, when he said the manipulation of our habits and opinions is an important element of democratic society. 41:33.278 --> 41:38.042 In fact, it's the true ruling power of the country if it's done by social media. 41:39.830 --> 41:42.993 Maybe with newspapers and radio, it was a little harder. 41:43.533 --> 41:54.103 You mean orders of magnitude harder to control people that hung out at speakeasies and met in bars and had social clubs. 41:54.504 --> 41:56.365 It was much harder to control those people. 41:56.425 --> 41:57.787 Now we don't have social clubs. 41:57.827 --> 41:59.668 We don't meet out in bars anymore. 42:00.429 --> 42:02.231 We're not socializing with our neighbors. 42:02.291 --> 42:05.233 And so then now with social media, this is a joke. 42:06.072 --> 42:16.219 What Edward Bernays described in 1924, he could never have imagined we'd be right here, right now, where my sons upstairs, if their mom is not being vigilant, will have phones in their hands. 42:21.583 --> 42:33.751 And these people have resorted to one thing and one thing only over the last year, and that's to call me a liar, call me a cheater, call me a loser, call me a skinny bazoon, and put crack pipes in my mouth. 42:34.847 --> 42:38.193 That's how you know, that's how you know that we are winning. 42:38.233 --> 42:46.828 When Zuby and Dan Wilson perform on YouTube for the skilled social media users, you know we are winning big time. 42:48.706 --> 42:55.151 And these people feel like they've won so that they can actually bring the two sides of the action together. 42:55.592 --> 43:06.781 The actors from Act One with the actors from Act Two are now interacting in Act Three as people that have discovered each other as opposing forces. 43:06.841 --> 43:14.928 And it's just hilarious because that's also what you see in the LifeSite article with McKernan and McCairn in the same article. 43:15.028 --> 43:15.789 It is absurd. 43:18.499 --> 43:19.479 Unless it was planned. 43:21.140 --> 43:29.742 You know, like Kevin McCarron way on the Japanese end of this train and Kevin McKernan on the East Coast end of this train. 43:31.222 --> 43:36.884 And in between you got a bunch of other people like Paul Cottrell on the New York part, middle of this train. 43:39.145 --> 43:42.746 And maybe a Richard Fleming near the Japanese end. 43:44.146 --> 43:47.627 And a Charles Rixey who's trying to figure out what part of the train to act on. 43:54.298 --> 43:55.259 That's how this is done. 43:55.279 --> 44:05.912 And then they're just lying about it so that our kids are enslaved by social media forever, so that we're enslaved by social media forever. 44:10.208 --> 44:13.689 I pointed this out, I'm gonna point it out again because I think it's that important. 44:13.749 --> 44:17.170 The heart group is probably full of shit, or at least Claire Craig is. 44:17.771 --> 44:32.956 And the reason why Claire Craig is full of shit is because she's a diagnostic pathologist who's got a vested interest in the sampling of genomes, has a vested interest in AI and cancer diagnostics, which is basically, again, it's sequencing and it's AI. 44:34.620 --> 44:38.565 And so we've seen a video of her where she's talking about testing and how it works. 44:38.625 --> 44:45.793 And you make, you can only choose two of three things, you know, like a restaurant can only make good food, fast food or something, something. 44:45.853 --> 44:47.275 And so you got to choose two of the three. 44:54.690 --> 45:09.157 And so because she's also the co-chair of this group with a guy by the name of Jonathan Engler, who I guess I'm willing to go out of my way and say is probably a bad guy at this stage, it just bothers me a lot. 45:09.177 --> 45:13.839 We're not going to watch this video, but this is the video where she talks about testing. 45:14.440 --> 45:18.321 And she says all these crazy things. 45:19.804 --> 45:21.665 It's it's I'm not going to play it again. 45:21.705 --> 45:23.425 You can watch it from yesterday if you want to. 45:23.465 --> 45:28.886 And so these two guys have been trying to corral me into writing a virology review. 45:30.187 --> 45:38.549 I wanted to write a review that would respond to Kevin McKernan and the argument about how significant clones are relative to basic virology. 45:39.189 --> 45:42.810 And they kind of balked on that after a couple of weeks of me annotating 45:43.922 --> 45:50.866 article after article, and instead decided to write this for themselves and gave me about four days if I wanted to add anything. 45:51.367 --> 45:55.469 And it's probably the worst virology review written since the beginning of the pandemic. 45:55.509 --> 45:59.952 Sure, it addresses a lot of things, but I don't know if it clarifies anything. 46:01.012 --> 46:10.200 And the worst part about this is, is that I had to tell them this in private messages on Twitter, because it really is not, I told you, I don't want to write it. 46:10.260 --> 46:12.763 And I told you why, because we don't need to write that one. 46:12.803 --> 46:16.786 This is a virology review that any biology professor could have. 46:16.826 --> 46:18.888 This is where I was on my bicycle, I said. 46:20.069 --> 46:21.270 And so they didn't get anywhere. 46:22.756 --> 46:35.113 They just wrote a Virology 101 and the Virology 101 can't explain this very easily is not really a significant flag to plant in 2024, yet they were pissed that I wouldn't help them with it. 46:36.274 --> 46:39.295 but I've been trying to teach them this idea for a very long time. 46:39.315 --> 46:40.696 They're very familiar with it. 46:40.736 --> 46:54.581 So when you read that article and you see how they obfuscated it and how they pretended that my idea was just this little piece of shit paragraph that they wrote, instead of the whole article is obfuscating my idea. 46:55.682 --> 47:00.284 They're just not playing fair and they have to be anti-American players in this thing. 47:01.044 --> 47:02.885 That's the only way to explain them. 47:03.365 --> 47:05.006 They're not traitors because they don't live here. 47:05.868 --> 47:14.411 But somehow or another, they spend their time on social media talking about American politics, tweeting to Americans, and they show up in a lot of Americans' Twitter feeds. 47:16.391 --> 47:29.876 And so I don't purport to know who they are or why they're doing what they're doing, but I am sure that they were lying to me and that they were trying to do their best to make sure that I didn't continue to teach. 47:36.383 --> 47:43.206 And of course they're, you know, they're, they're English gentlemen or, or wherever they're from, they're going to complain and say, you know, Jay's not right. 47:43.246 --> 47:47.629 Or he doesn't talk to us or, or whatever, but they all want to do it on Twitter DM. 47:49.209 --> 47:50.590 Don't want to use proton mail. 47:50.610 --> 47:52.411 They want to use Twitter DM all the time. 47:56.373 --> 48:00.255 I think that's because they can see each other's messages so they can coordinate and they lie to me. 48:01.223 --> 48:13.248 And that's also why drastic occurred on Twitter, because then all the people that were involved in drastic that were part of the, of the charade, many, many of them being foreign agents, um, could pretend and remember. 48:14.408 --> 48:18.150 Foreign agent just means that they're not Americans or they're pretending to be a foreigner. 48:18.170 --> 48:20.511 I didn't know who any of those people were. 48:20.551 --> 48:25.113 They, I, you know, it's not like I sat down in a cafe with them or I met them at their house and confirmed their address. 48:26.891 --> 48:40.730 If Yuri Dagan turned out to be not a Russian entrepreneur into regenerative genetics, but turned out to be a porn movie salesman from Northern Canada, it wouldn't surprise me at all. 48:44.139 --> 48:57.514 One of the people that I've encountered since the very beginning is named Kevin McCairn, who purports to be a neuroscientist who went through Korea and Japan, now living in Japan, although I'm not sure if he worked ever for a university in Japan or Korea. 48:57.574 --> 48:58.355 That's what he claims. 48:58.815 --> 49:02.959 He has some publications on the internet that seem to indicate that he's worked with live monkeys. 49:03.380 --> 49:04.381 We've never doubted that. 49:05.462 --> 49:13.348 I know people at the University of Pittsburgh who worked on Live Monkeys, he claims to have studied with and seems to have a pedigree that puts him going through that lab as well. 49:13.789 --> 49:23.296 And so that was the connection that when we made contact, he contacted me and said, hey, you know, Rob Turner, I know Rob Turner, maybe we should do a stream together. 49:24.810 --> 49:41.187 Now it could be that Robert Malone or whoever coordinates this little clown show contacted him simply because he had some rudimentary connection CV wise to me so that he would have some reason to contact me. 49:41.207 --> 49:41.907 It could also mean 49:42.688 --> 49:44.210 be even crazier than that. 49:44.250 --> 49:49.995 And maybe the NSA put those shitty papers up there that have his name on it and made a history that isn't even real. 49:50.056 --> 49:50.376 I don't know. 49:50.416 --> 49:51.217 But I doubt that. 49:52.058 --> 49:57.143 I think it's much more likely that he's somebody that was, you know, doing some other stuff. 49:57.483 --> 50:01.187 And then they recruited him because, you know, he was already retired, according to him. 50:01.827 --> 50:03.027 or had forced retirement. 50:03.047 --> 50:19.572 So in the last, I don't know, month or so, I guess he's done three, six, nine, 12, 14, 16, 18 hours or so of streams about me or streams about me and Mark and a couple pictures of us on a merry-go-round and a couple pictures of me taking money from the Pharisees. 50:19.612 --> 50:23.473 And then of course, the crack pipe picture, which is always very fun. 50:23.933 --> 50:26.834 So of course, this is the state of things, right? 50:26.874 --> 50:30.815 I mean, if you're at the stage where this is all you've got left, 50:32.000 --> 50:40.305 is just one performing monkey on the other side of the ocean who on rumble can barely get 2,000 views. 50:40.425 --> 50:45.107 I don't really understand what's happening here other than us winning extremely hard. 50:46.028 --> 50:56.334 But I think it's important for people who aren't familiar with this guy or who have been successful in ignoring him to realize that this phenomenon hasn't gone away in four and a half years. 50:57.526 --> 50:59.427 It hasn't gone away in four and a half years. 50:59.907 --> 51:24.781 Ever since I called him out, when he lost his mind pretending to argue with Mark Bailey about virology, when he was screaming and yelling and I just kind of critiqued the show and then he flipped out, ever since then I've known for sure that he was some kind of, I don't know, actor is an insult to my 51:26.685 --> 51:29.437 my late friend Annie, so I don't want to call him an actor. 51:31.239 --> 51:32.379 I would call him a meddler. 51:33.259 --> 51:35.260 He's not even that skilled of a meddler. 51:35.320 --> 51:36.620 It's an insult to meddlers. 51:36.640 --> 51:41.641 He's just some guy that they paid to yell into a screen. 51:41.681 --> 51:54.083 And I think kind of specifically because of me, I don't think anybody else is in this because of me, but I think he might be because I don't see any other impact that he's really had. 51:54.123 --> 51:59.304 His most significant impact is the amount of distraction he causes me in the first couple of years, to be really honest. 51:59.884 --> 52:04.667 So just to remind you, of course, this is an illusion of consensus. 52:04.987 --> 52:06.989 And this is him in March. 52:07.069 --> 52:09.450 It's literally turning into worst case scenario. 52:09.730 --> 52:10.070 March 2020. 52:10.451 --> 52:13.493 It's literally turning into worst case scenario. 52:13.573 --> 52:17.075 And so I have been in the car with this guy for four years. 52:17.135 --> 52:21.778 And so it's important for me all the time to point it out, even if I put him in the trunk a long time ago. 52:22.718 --> 52:24.920 He's still in the car and he can still smell him. 52:25.320 --> 52:29.062 And that smell is a sign of what we've been through. 52:29.162 --> 52:31.504 It's a sign of how far we've come. 52:31.564 --> 52:38.548 And so oftentimes I think it's worthwhile to look at because people who aren't aware of it, it can be pretty disturbing when they see it. 52:39.269 --> 52:42.551 So he's really much a part of this faith in a novel virus. 52:43.391 --> 52:44.592 There's no question about it. 52:44.632 --> 52:48.274 He's never really usefully questioned vaccination or taught you about immunology. 52:49.936 --> 52:54.941 He believes that coronaviruses can jump from other species and that RNA can definitely pandemic. 52:54.961 --> 53:03.349 He said it as little as a couple days ago in direct response to my statement that RNA cannot pandemic. 53:03.749 --> 53:06.111 But without any real, you know, 53:06.952 --> 53:11.815 No discussion of where that's actually been demonstrated, just kind of a, yeah, but obviously it is. 53:13.536 --> 53:20.521 No real good explanation for why false positives might be rare if we did it right, or how PCR is used correctly or incorrectly. 53:20.561 --> 53:32.248 He's written really bad about that, even though he probably has some idea, because he's worked with monkeys, which often require PCR if you're going to do some kind of genetic, maybe he never did anything with genes. 53:32.268 --> 53:32.548 I don't know. 53:32.568 --> 53:34.770 I haven't looked that much at his papers, to be honest. 53:35.310 --> 53:39.151 I just know that they're mostly in vivo and behavioral papers. 53:39.191 --> 53:45.714 I've never, I didn't, for example, see any papers with adenovirus or transfection or transformation. 53:45.754 --> 53:51.096 So I don't know, maybe he's got more expertise than I remember seeing in my cursory search for him. 53:51.156 --> 53:57.438 So they believe that millions have been killed and millions more have been saved, but they were saved by lockdown, I guess, or by masks. 53:58.678 --> 54:03.260 And that we spend lots of money on gain-of-function research that works really, really, really well. 54:03.880 --> 54:08.043 I'm afraid that the latest data tells us that we're dealing with essentially a worst case scenario. 54:08.443 --> 54:12.606 I'm afraid that the latest data tells us that we're dealing with essentially a worst case scenario. 54:12.806 --> 54:15.488 So it's not very much different than... 54:25.000 --> 54:34.101 It's not very much different than Herod van den Bosch, but with a lot less oomph in his CV, which I find very funny. 54:44.127 --> 54:46.248 It's going to be pretty funny, actually, just so you know. 54:46.268 --> 54:48.229 It will be very, very funny. 54:48.249 --> 54:50.191 I'm going to just escape. 54:50.331 --> 54:51.892 Oh, yeah, there you go. 54:51.932 --> 54:57.675 It'll be very, very funny to throw back to this video, because there's going to be a lot of stuff on here you're just not going to expect to hear. 54:57.715 --> 55:11.943 Remember, this is about six days before Kevin McKernan goes on the Vance Crowe podcast and says that he started sequencing for SARS because he's afraid that the powers that be are going to, 55:14.161 --> 55:18.490 find out that SARS is spreading through weed, and so he already wants to be ahead of that ball. 55:18.990 --> 55:23.860 And then he spends a couple different tirades in that same episode, again, 24th of April, 2020. 55:27.375 --> 55:32.598 where he talks about how bad the FDA is and how it's crazy that EUAs require like 10 pages of paperwork. 55:32.618 --> 55:34.419 And I'm not even exaggerating when I say that. 55:34.459 --> 55:37.061 Those are almost his words, word for word. 55:37.121 --> 55:38.482 So here we go. 55:39.002 --> 55:40.723 Throwback to April 18th, 2020. 55:41.484 --> 55:48.168 Just remember, I'm not gonna edit anything, but I will go slightly faster because I don't want to make it too torturous. 55:48.208 --> 55:50.750 We'll go about 1.4 or so. 55:50.810 --> 55:52.631 It's pretty quick, but you can handle it because 55:53.311 --> 56:00.162 I speak well, McCarron speaks well, and Eddie Adds doesn't say very much, so we should be okay. 56:00.603 --> 56:02.887 I'm going to go full screen and then I'm going to hit it. 56:03.487 --> 56:05.050 Thanks very much for joining me, everybody. 56:05.070 --> 56:05.531 Good to see you. 56:22.219 --> 56:23.760 Comes in a little late, sorry about that. 56:27.263 --> 56:33.248 But when you transfect somebody and they make a lot of a protein, they're going to shed it in the form of exosomes. 56:33.288 --> 56:34.930 That wouldn't be unusual, just so you know. 56:36.291 --> 56:38.973 If the transfection happened in the lungs, that would definitely be true. 56:39.013 --> 56:43.056 If the protein is circulating, it could be circulating in the form of exosomes. 56:43.116 --> 56:47.059 And so, then I'm not sure whether exosomes could exit by the lung. 56:47.159 --> 56:51.182 Then they might more likely exit by the gut. 56:51.382 --> 56:52.443 Did you hear that? 56:53.784 --> 56:56.686 So, that's the thing about exosomes in circulation. 56:56.786 --> 56:58.408 I don't know how they get into the lungs. 56:58.468 --> 57:01.110 That to me seems like a barrier they can't easily cross. 57:02.150 --> 57:19.058 So if you have exosomes in circulation that are composed of lipid nanoparticles or lipid lipid bilayer and some spike proteins, for example, then that is more likely to be shed through the kidneys or through the the what would that be then bile or something like that? 57:19.119 --> 57:20.259 How do you get stuff out of here? 57:20.359 --> 57:22.000 Anyway, that's what I would say. 57:22.020 --> 57:23.681 Here we go. 57:24.081 --> 57:30.364 This is COVID roundtable round three, and I am pleased to be joined by Dr. Jay Cooey. 57:31.721 --> 57:32.201 Jay, how you doing? 57:33.381 --> 57:34.021 Not too bad, how are you? 57:34.481 --> 57:35.182 I'm doing well, sir. 57:35.522 --> 57:38.182 Oh, man, it looks like Doc McCarron just joined as well. 57:38.762 --> 57:39.142 Good morning. 57:39.162 --> 57:39.742 McCarron, how you doing? 57:39.762 --> 57:40.102 Of course he did. 57:40.422 --> 57:40.943 Good morning. 57:43.763 --> 57:44.543 How late am I? 57:45.223 --> 57:46.804 Oh, we actually just started, Doc. 57:47.264 --> 57:53.025 Yeah, literally, I broadcasted right at the top of the hour and just entered the lobby just now as Doc Cooey entered as well. 57:53.105 --> 57:54.585 So good timing. 57:55.525 --> 57:57.905 Yeah, you're lucky, because I was flat out asleep again. 57:58.466 --> 57:58.846 Yeah. 57:59.046 --> 58:01.046 Yeah, well, I mean, I'd been up, but I 58:01.593 --> 58:05.856 I got up really early and I just zoned out on the sofa. 58:06.116 --> 58:08.398 I saw you broadcasting again pretty late last night. 58:12.260 --> 58:15.482 It was just a pre-recorded thing that I did. 58:15.502 --> 58:29.671 I'm trying to line up grifters and I guess in terms of no virus or virus deniers, I guess for want of a better vernacular, 58:31.337 --> 58:33.438 It's the 5g I'm having to get to now. 58:33.538 --> 58:42.761 So, um, we can, uh, we'll see how that sort of, uh, plays out over the next week or two, because there's, there's much more, uh, material there to deal with. 58:43.081 --> 58:43.882 And, uh, yeah. 58:43.962 --> 58:46.222 And we should definitely get into that, uh, to this evening. 58:46.422 --> 58:55.506 I, uh, well, I don't know, depending on who you want to talk about, uh, doc McCarran, cause I did see you list at least one other person in a video you posted besides Dr. Kaufman. 58:55.546 --> 58:55.766 I know. 58:56.546 --> 58:56.866 Uh, yeah. 58:56.906 --> 58:58.867 So that was the new guy who I was, um, 59:00.589 --> 59:04.671 I don't know how you pronounce his name, one of those exotic sounding ones. 59:08.293 --> 59:17.297 And the reason I did it was because I think I'd sort of done a good enough job with respect to Andrew Kaufman. 59:17.817 --> 59:20.298 I don't think there's much coming back from his position. 59:21.045 --> 59:24.206 And, uh, and Dr. Tro will be joining us later. 59:24.306 --> 59:26.487 He said he, uh, has another interview. 59:26.527 --> 59:29.128 I think he was doing or ending, uh, is it overlaps? 59:29.148 --> 59:37.472 Like he said, he's going to be in about half an hour or so, but, um, yeah, we can start with that document, Karen, if you'd like, uh, pretty, uh, pretty open-ended, uh, as far as the night goes. 59:37.512 --> 59:42.374 I know, I don't know, as far as the political scene, what I've noticed, and I think other people have too, it seems like. 59:42.992 --> 59:47.715 although things still are changing quite quickly, it has slowed down a bit even from last week. 59:48.095 --> 59:53.019 And maybe like there was kind of like, I don't know, like maybe a good three and a half or four weeks there where it was just kind of crazy. 59:53.039 --> 59:55.040 And it kind of seemed to calm down a bit last week. 59:55.860 --> 59:57.982 But despite that, it still is changing all the time. 59:59.603 --> 01:00:07.708 Yeah, I mean, and that's something I think you guys are going to probably be more informative than I am because I'm not in the United States. 01:00:08.068 --> 01:00:11.811 And my sort of view is that 01:00:13.072 --> 01:00:18.215 You've got this window where you have to be locked. 01:00:18.295 --> 01:00:24.297 It's not lockdown, they haven't locked you down, they've given you a suggestion to stay indoors. 01:00:24.757 --> 01:00:36.963 Or not even that, you can go out and do your essentials, but you can't, there's not police on every corner, and I think it's less, it's not Wuhan, China, right now. 01:00:37.363 --> 01:00:41.305 And it's a case of you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't, 01:00:42.313 --> 01:00:51.579 I would argue that locking down the way that you did probably did mitigate some of the impact of the disease itself. 01:00:52.019 --> 01:00:56.462 But then in doing that, everyone then starts saying, well, oh, why did you do that then? 01:00:57.102 --> 01:00:58.463 Or, you know, obviously it's not as bad. 01:00:58.723 --> 01:01:00.665 So why lock us all up? 01:01:03.467 --> 01:01:05.788 Yeah, and that's how I sort of see it from the outsider. 01:01:05.849 --> 01:01:09.451 And like I say, probably the two of you have more to say. 01:01:09.611 --> 01:01:13.453 So he's trying to defer to us in terms of what's happening in America. 01:01:14.954 --> 01:01:19.377 But he says that most likely what happened is that lockdown mitigated disease. 01:01:19.437 --> 01:01:22.059 Now, I took this down, but I'll put it up again. 01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.401 This is recorded on April 18th, 2020. 01:01:25.801 --> 01:01:27.142 So it is kind of right at 01:01:28.089 --> 01:01:33.613 The time when either New York is having a very big peak, or that peak's about to drop back down to zero. 01:01:35.495 --> 01:01:35.955 Interesting. 01:01:36.876 --> 01:01:38.016 It's kind of interesting, right? 01:01:38.617 --> 01:01:43.861 If we were to look at Jessica Hockett's data, I wonder where the April 18th would fall. 01:01:43.901 --> 01:01:45.422 Maybe somebody can check that for me. 01:01:51.486 --> 01:01:56.430 Okay, then I do in that respect, because for me, it doesn't look any different. 01:01:56.741 --> 01:01:58.702 Yeah, what's it looking like for you, Doc, who are we in Pittsburgh? 01:01:59.263 --> 01:02:00.764 Well, I don't know about Pittsburgh. 01:02:00.804 --> 01:02:04.086 I mean, we don't, we have a few hundred cases here, 800 or something in Pennsylvania. 01:02:04.106 --> 01:02:05.327 I don't know exactly what the count is. 01:02:06.008 --> 01:02:08.189 Everybody's being careful here and wearing masks generally now. 01:02:08.249 --> 01:02:10.271 And social distancing is still set in. 01:02:10.331 --> 01:02:11.972 I think for me, I'm trying to stick to the literature. 01:02:11.992 --> 01:02:21.219 The latest preprint that I think is interesting, although it is a preprint, has a single author, Knut Wodkowski, this guy who is 01:02:21.980 --> 01:02:27.161 one of these epidemiologists that came out and said that the only way out of this is herd immunity, and so we just... Canoe Minkowski. 01:02:27.802 --> 01:02:31.723 He, um, just produced a paper which... Look at that face. 01:02:36.104 --> 01:02:38.104 I don't think he expected me to mention Canoe. 01:02:38.184 --> 01:02:38.904 Look at that face. 01:02:45.006 --> 01:02:45.646 I'm gonna back up. 01:02:47.467 --> 01:02:48.247 Look at the face now. 01:02:49.850 --> 01:02:50.550 Watch it change. 01:02:50.570 --> 01:02:53.471 I have a few hundred cases here, 800 or something in Pennsylvania. 01:02:53.511 --> 01:02:54.631 I don't know exactly what the count is. 01:02:55.291 --> 01:02:57.592 Everybody's being careful here and wearing masks generally now. 01:02:58.372 --> 01:02:59.532 Social distancing is still set in. 01:02:59.572 --> 01:03:01.213 I think for me, I'm trying to stick to the literature. 01:03:01.233 --> 01:03:14.376 The latest preprint that I think is interesting, although it is a preprint, has a single author, Knut Wodkowski, this guy who was one of these epidemiologists that came out and said that the only way out of this is herd immunity. 01:03:14.396 --> 01:03:16.376 And so we just have to figure out how to get there as soon as possible. 01:03:17.057 --> 01:03:29.586 He just produced a paper which has 15 some odd figures in it, and it uses the standard model for respiratory infections that's been used by all the epidemiologists in history, or at least in the recent history. 01:03:29.626 --> 01:03:32.028 And so it's a pretty standard model of how these epidemics work. 01:03:32.869 --> 01:03:37.012 And he makes a very mathematically, seems mathematically sound argument for 01:03:37.930 --> 01:03:45.216 the social distancing thing only has a significant effect when it's implied at specific times in relation to the biological peak of the disease. 01:03:45.917 --> 01:03:51.322 And by his best estimations, we close down most places in the United States too late or too early. 01:03:51.942 --> 01:03:57.407 And in either case, the consequences are either nothing really or super significant. 01:03:57.647 --> 01:03:59.649 And if you close down too early, what you do is you prevent 01:04:00.189 --> 01:04:04.814 the population from ever reaching a peak which is capable of generating any significant herd immunity. 01:04:05.294 --> 01:04:10.199 And so then you've just kicked the can down the road and you're still gonna hit the same peak, but you're gonna lose a few people on the run up to it. 01:04:10.579 --> 01:04:12.141 You're gonna lose a few more because you spread it out. 01:04:12.842 --> 01:04:18.287 And the whole other side of it is if you do it too late, then it has almost no effect at all. 01:04:18.787 --> 01:04:24.373 And the interesting part of the paper is that it makes a very nice summary about the maximum gains 01:04:25.665 --> 01:04:27.867 And the maximum gains in all of these scenarios are about 10%. 01:04:28.367 --> 01:04:32.489 So it doesn't really matter how bad or how well you apply these measures. 01:04:32.509 --> 01:04:40.074 The only sort of change that you can have in terms of the total amount of people that will die this season from it, or this exposure to it, is about 10%. 01:04:40.314 --> 01:04:43.476 So it's not to say that those 10% people aren't worth trying to save those 10%. 01:04:43.836 --> 01:04:44.316 Of course it is. 01:04:44.797 --> 01:04:49.259 But it's a very tricky mathematical dance because of the way that all of these phenomenon work. 01:04:51.704 --> 01:04:52.545 That hurts, right? 01:04:52.565 --> 01:05:01.170 Because then now, if you can only save 10%, but in the harsh lockdown, you kill more than that, then what's really going on? 01:05:01.210 --> 01:05:03.692 Because that's all those data show, right? 01:05:04.653 --> 01:05:11.758 That's the sort of other side of the coin that you don't talk about when you talk about simple SIR models. 01:05:14.139 --> 01:05:19.343 You just have this thing where, okay, but how many people do we kill if we lock down? 01:05:20.094 --> 01:05:20.914 for six weeks? 01:05:21.655 --> 01:05:24.736 How many people do we kill if we lock down for eight weeks? 01:05:25.897 --> 01:05:36.541 How many people do we kill if we give the wrong protocol like supplementary oxygen for the first 10 weeks to anybody that we suspect has COVID and comes to the hospital? 01:05:37.001 --> 01:05:47.226 Those things are all just off the radar right now for me because of course I'm involved in this idea of thinking about these models and what these models might be able to tell us about a novel spreading pathogen. 01:05:48.715 --> 01:06:02.243 So I'm 100% trapped here, but still causing a problem because I think in the end, of course, if this study is reliant on a shitty model and I get to the stage where I think this is a shitty model, then this will be a way out. 01:06:02.343 --> 01:06:03.764 So we can't be debating this. 01:06:04.584 --> 01:06:12.029 We can't talk about this as a legitimate part of the limited spectrum of debate or there were too close to the exit. 01:06:12.129 --> 01:06:15.551 So I'm suspecting this is gonna be needed to take it back really quick. 01:06:17.023 --> 01:06:23.829 So it just gives you kind of a sort of range of biological possibilities is quite a bit narrower than I think a lot of people are painting it. 01:06:24.229 --> 01:06:26.631 Yeah, that's really interesting. 01:06:26.671 --> 01:06:29.454 Do you think that we did lock down too early in some places? 01:06:30.414 --> 01:06:33.057 Well, I think I think Knud would make that argument in his paper. 01:06:33.097 --> 01:06:33.417 He does. 01:06:33.437 --> 01:06:34.458 And he uses different countries. 01:06:35.437 --> 01:06:47.545 current progression and correlates their application of lockdown and shows several examples of both good and bad results that he thinks correlate with whether they got it right and closed down right at the peak or whether they closed down too early or closed down too late. 01:06:48.566 --> 01:06:59.293 It's a nice, it's an interesting paper because he's been on YouTube about a few things and on a few videos and sort of been misquoted and oftentimes lumped into these people who don't understand how these things work, even though he actually does. 01:06:59.333 --> 01:07:03.276 I mean, he worked at Rockefeller University for 20 years as an epidemiologist, so he's not speaking from no experience. 01:07:04.496 --> 01:07:17.508 The tricky part is, of course, why we're all together, is that if this virus is not just some, you know, run-of-the-mill coronavirus, but it has some extra abilities or things that make it behave as an atypical respiratory virus, then all of the things that Knud knows may not apply to this virus. 01:07:17.528 --> 01:07:18.529 So that's the trick. 01:07:19.389 --> 01:07:24.093 Yeah, that caveat is important, but that is, it's really interesting how you explain that, Dr. Kui, and I would love it if you'd send that over to me. 01:07:24.113 --> 01:07:28.037 I'll probably put it in the show notes too, in case anybody else wants to check it out. 01:07:28.517 --> 01:07:30.679 Likewise, Dr. McCarran, if you have any papers that you think 01:07:31.327 --> 01:07:32.948 Anybody watching would would be like, okay. 01:07:32.968 --> 01:07:36.129 Yeah, it's something I could read in my free time I can add those to the show notes as well. 01:07:36.589 --> 01:07:55.998 Just if they pop in your head at any point this evening Well, I mean the literature that I'd sort of honed in on this week was the in a few more primate studies that came out and Well, I think it's it's probably you sort of have to wind the clock back a little bit and 01:07:56.625 --> 01:08:12.051 And that just goes back to the original SARS outbreak from, I can never get the pronunciation right, Zhongdong province, in the sort of southeast part of the country. 01:08:12.571 --> 01:08:15.292 And the first case arose of SARS there sort of late 2002 into 2003. 01:08:20.940 --> 01:08:30.069 How do I know Zhongdong University, and obviously for the province itself, is that they have one of China's more established primate colonies. 01:08:30.429 --> 01:08:33.432 It's a private, no, sorry, it's public. 01:08:34.168 --> 01:08:45.059 colony and unlike the Wuhan facility which would be much tighter facility and very very opaque as to the... Can I ask you a side question? 01:08:45.440 --> 01:08:46.120 Sure. 01:08:47.361 --> 01:08:53.708 I heard recently that some very big primate guy in Germany actually just moved to China last year. 01:08:55.501 --> 01:09:00.785 I don't know his last name, but he's like a world-famous primate fella, and he moved his whole lab to China. 01:09:00.805 --> 01:09:03.407 Do you know who I'm talking about, or is this not such a rare occurrence? 01:09:03.447 --> 01:09:03.748 I don't know. 01:09:05.028 --> 01:09:14.956 Well, the fire hose of cash that China sprays at people, I think that becomes a very tempting offer at different times of your career. 01:09:15.156 --> 01:09:21.341 And the only person that really springs to mind that would sort of have any overlap with myself is Logotetis. 01:09:21.361 --> 01:09:23.143 That's it, yes. 01:09:24.772 --> 01:09:29.716 if that was him, there is a, there's a sort of bit of history there as well. 01:09:30.577 --> 01:09:42.086 And he, he basically, I want to say, it's getting on a bit now, but I want to say five, six years ago, maybe, maybe a little, little bit more. 01:09:42.106 --> 01:09:43.688 I'll see if I can pull it up. 01:09:43.788 --> 01:09:48.091 But Locatetis basically wrote a, 01:09:51.147 --> 01:09:57.029 I can never remember, it's one of those names that's nigh on impossible to pronounce and even more difficult to spell. 01:09:58.869 --> 01:10:05.491 And he wrote a open letter to, I want to say it was probably Nature, and sort of simultaneous press release as well. 01:10:06.011 --> 01:10:14.474 And it was a sort of stamp your feet hissy fit that he, I want to say he was in Tubingen, 01:10:15.196 --> 01:10:19.198 I think he might have been Tübingen or one of those around that area. 01:10:19.558 --> 01:10:22.179 And Tübingen is a nice little spot of Germany. 01:10:22.459 --> 01:10:28.862 And I'm guessing him sort of upping sticks would have been quite a sort of difficult decision to make. 01:10:29.382 --> 01:10:34.685 You know, obviously the Bavarian countryside has a lot of appealing aspects to it. 01:10:36.285 --> 01:10:41.808 But the reason he left was because, and maybe I'll get onto a bit of a rant about that, is that 01:10:43.035 --> 01:11:09.186 The animal rights and the sort of left-leaning political groups basically had been trying tooth and nail to, and had somewhat got into his lab because as he was a part of the university system, that he, they brought him under pressure for like the most innocuous of violations and literally 01:11:10.518 --> 01:11:13.681 I'd have to sort of look back to sort of find, I remember exactly what it was. 01:11:14.642 --> 01:11:17.744 But it literally made his life a sort of living hell. 01:11:18.044 --> 01:11:26.171 And in Europe, you know, that does mean you have to have your car swept for explosives every day, you know, as you go to work. 01:11:26.331 --> 01:11:32.937 And with kids in your house, you probably got to be have safe rooms or somewhere that you can hit for a panic. 01:11:33.638 --> 01:11:34.939 And the, 01:11:37.308 --> 01:11:39.689 So anyway, it was a huge scandal at the time. 01:11:39.709 --> 01:11:49.851 Well, not a scandal as such, but you know, people were like, oh, well, you know, if Logotetis is sort of giving up the game, then basically that sort of would sound the death knell of primate research in Europe. 01:11:50.691 --> 01:12:02.574 And in that sense, he was probably right because there's very, very little primate research in, let me just see if I can, now it's bothering me, I can't remember the exact reason. 01:12:03.496 --> 01:12:06.258 This was my statement. 01:12:06.579 --> 01:12:12.504 I tried to figure out if there was an easy way to find out what kind of animals were being used in Wuhan, but I haven't really been able to find. 01:12:12.524 --> 01:12:19.089 I'd love to have a primate publication from there, because that would be... You won't. 01:12:19.269 --> 01:12:22.572 You won't find primate publications. 01:12:22.612 --> 01:12:26.916 There was some with respect to SARS initially, but I think what the Chinese 01:12:29.602 --> 01:12:33.564 were doing was complying basically with what they considered to be international norms. 01:12:33.584 --> 01:12:40.208 Yeah, in January this year, I'm looking at, so he's in science, this move. 01:12:40.228 --> 01:12:42.070 Yeah, so it was more recent, it was more recent. 01:12:42.310 --> 01:12:50.715 Yeah, well, no, his move was, but the, and oh, he's with Pu Mu Ming as well. 01:12:51.575 --> 01:12:55.197 And that's, that's a, 01:12:57.867 --> 01:13:13.380 well, not unsurprising, Pu Muming has a lot of clout within China, but the, like I said, it was, like I said, this maybe giving me some idea of the 2014 German TV broadcast footage. 01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:21.566 It's interesting because I think he's saying Muming Pu, which is how we would say it in America, how I was introduced to his name. 01:13:21.706 --> 01:13:24.468 Muming Pu was also on the, 01:13:26.397 --> 01:13:28.560 Was Moo Ming Poo also on that plane? 01:13:29.482 --> 01:13:31.945 I think he was also on that plane to Svalbard. 01:13:32.005 --> 01:13:33.027 It was Moo Ming Poo. 01:13:33.187 --> 01:13:34.249 It was Tony Gawa. 01:13:34.890 --> 01:13:36.933 It was Eric Nessler. 01:13:37.614 --> 01:13:37.974 It was 01:13:38.942 --> 01:13:40.882 Bert Sackman and Erwin Nair. 01:13:40.982 --> 01:13:43.983 So there were like five or six Nobel Prize winners on that plane. 01:13:44.003 --> 01:13:51.505 And then of course, John O'Keefe and the Moser couple were also on that plane and they would win the Nobel Prize like a year or two later. 01:13:52.185 --> 01:14:02.287 So if you think about them, there was like 12 Nobel Prize winners on that airplane that I was on, sitting in the back feeling like a dork. 01:14:02.447 --> 01:14:03.928 Anyway, so that's interesting. 01:14:05.993 --> 01:14:07.494 So far, it's not too shocking. 01:14:07.534 --> 01:14:08.494 I'm not too impressed. 01:14:09.074 --> 01:14:09.854 We're 20 minutes in. 01:14:10.114 --> 01:14:11.915 This is all right. 01:14:13.876 --> 01:14:18.217 That's a well, not unsurprising. 01:14:18.257 --> 01:14:22.659 Puming has a lot of clout within China, but the 01:14:25.075 --> 01:14:34.861 Like I say, it was, like I said, this may be giving me some idea of the 2014 German TV broadcast footage filmed by, so I was with FIRE office for five, six years, right? 01:14:34.881 --> 01:14:37.102 So I've sort of had it. 01:14:37.202 --> 01:14:39.043 And on the spot question, didn't like that. 01:14:39.944 --> 01:14:40.764 Shame on you, Jonathan. 01:14:40.944 --> 01:14:41.745 Put me on the spot. 01:14:41.925 --> 01:14:44.606 I gotta say, I really think that's actually significant. 01:14:44.626 --> 01:14:46.747 I've never heard his name said like that. 01:14:46.767 --> 01:14:47.908 It was always Moo Ming Poo. 01:14:51.351 --> 01:14:58.112 I'm absolutely sure we've always said it in the Netherlands, and anywhere I've been in America, it's moo-ming-poo. 01:14:58.192 --> 01:15:05.514 So the way that he was saying it, which I presume is the Chinese way of saying it, is striking to me. 01:15:05.574 --> 01:15:16.195 Remember, he's supposed to be in Japan, married to a Pakistani-Japanese Muslim, and he's from the UK, but he knows exactly how to say Chinese people's names. 01:15:16.275 --> 01:15:17.396 It's really interesting. 01:15:17.416 --> 01:15:18.716 Yeah, so it was more recent. 01:15:18.776 --> 01:15:19.396 It was more recent. 01:15:19.758 --> 01:15:28.122 Yeah, uh, well now his his move his move was uh, but the uh, the Uh, and oh he's with pu mu ming as well. 01:15:28.462 --> 01:15:41.329 Um, and uh, that's um Well, not unsurprising pu mu ming, uh, he said it twice clout within uh china, but um the 01:15:43.303 --> 01:16:06.494 like I say it was it was I said this maybe give me some idea of the 2014 German TV broadcast footage filmed by there wasn't five at fire officer five six years right so I've sort of had it and on the spot question didn't like that shame on you Jonathan but the story was asking about the Swedish herd immunity and 01:16:07.014 --> 01:16:09.997 I don't know about you guys, but Twitter seems to be the best place for info. 01:16:10.017 --> 01:16:12.319 So I did find this one. 01:16:12.740 --> 01:16:15.262 Twitter seems to be the best place for info. 01:16:15.322 --> 01:16:20.948 That seems to be exactly what Kevin McCurden says also on the 24th of April, about six days after that. 01:16:21.489 --> 01:16:26.373 Funny how Twitter is being positioned at early on by all these people at once, isn't it? 01:16:27.134 --> 01:16:29.335 Wow, that's that's that's interesting. 01:16:29.615 --> 01:16:50.841 It's uh, so finland's at 13 for 13 deaths per million norway 28 sweden 119 And netherlands 183 So this guy says it doesn't seem to be working his their uh herd immunity philosophy That's so much assumed so many things though their denominator and their numerators are both based on Imaginary numbers, right? 01:16:50.861 --> 01:16:51.341 I mean, yeah 01:16:52.105 --> 01:16:57.810 You have to assume that all their testing is correct and everything else, and they're not, and they're testing everyone and they're not, and same thing's happening here in the United States. 01:16:57.850 --> 01:17:03.355 The numbers can be shifted to become immediately worse than the flu or easier than the flu, depending on how you want it. 01:17:03.375 --> 01:17:07.759 Right now, there's a guy on Twitter named TheEthicalSkeptic, and if you haven't followed him, you should look him up. 01:17:07.779 --> 01:17:08.980 TheEthicalSkeptic has been making 01:17:09.784 --> 01:17:24.573 charts and graphs about the numbers that the CDC is releasing and he's noticed that since they've shifted to including cases that are suspected but not confirmed we've stayed on the exponential growth curve but until before they made that switch was like seven days ago um that guy uh before 01:17:25.057 --> 01:17:26.820 The pronunciation is not the point. 01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:28.783 It's the order that the name comes in. 01:17:28.883 --> 01:17:32.208 So, I mean, I wouldn't know by looking at it. 01:17:32.989 --> 01:17:40.480 They list it like they list it in his biography on PubMed, and I read his name as last and first. 01:17:41.241 --> 01:17:48.326 Now he says it as first and last, or last and first like they say it in Chinese, and that just shows knowledge. 01:17:48.386 --> 01:17:49.447 Maybe he knows the guy. 01:17:49.507 --> 01:17:49.887 I don't know. 01:17:49.927 --> 01:17:52.649 I'm not saying that it's an indication that he's definitely bad. 01:17:53.129 --> 01:17:59.474 It's just significant, because I don't know a lot of people who would get that name right, because I've always heard it as Mu Ming Pu. 01:18:00.452 --> 01:18:02.393 for that, uh, he's a famous guy. 01:18:02.413 --> 01:18:03.333 We're actually on the decline. 01:18:03.353 --> 01:18:05.173 That, that latest figure is that one right there. 01:18:05.193 --> 01:18:09.375 So the dotted line is showing you where we were headed and that would have made it a pretty bad flu, right? 01:18:09.435 --> 01:18:11.095 One 10th of 12% one 10th of 1%. 01:18:12.276 --> 01:18:17.557 And now it's back up to some crazy, you know, 7% possibly if that's that curve is correct. 01:18:17.857 --> 01:18:22.419 And that's only because they added the suspected, uh, diagnosis option. 01:18:22.459 --> 01:18:26.040 So the doctors are more inclined and you have to understand also not to create any, 01:18:27.146 --> 01:18:36.433 But there's a genuine reason for them to increase the number of COVID patients because the legislation, which was passed two weeks ago, the CARES Act, has in it a very specific clause that reimburses hospitals for COVID cases. 01:18:36.814 --> 01:18:41.818 So if the hospitals want money from that thing, the more cases they have, the more money they're going to get. 01:18:41.838 --> 01:18:46.722 So the doctors are being told, whether we like it or not, to diagnose everybody with COVID, especially the people who die. 01:18:46.802 --> 01:18:50.625 So there's a reason for them to flub the numbers. 01:18:50.645 --> 01:18:55.208 And that's starting to work against us in terms of interpreting the real course of the pandemic and what to do next. 01:18:55.448 --> 01:18:56.029 That's a problem. 01:18:56.896 --> 01:19:23.161 uh yes it is and um again you're sort of falling into this uh very for want of a better word ambiguous uh political territory with the united states i agree it's terrible they're playing this game on purpose though and they they're that that's the reason why i'm skeptical of it i'm not saying that this shit is not bad but i'm saying that they're they're mucking up the numbers is really creating a panic that doesn't need to be created we could all be working together 01:19:26.858 --> 01:19:35.721 Extremely contrasting information people are reacting very poorly right now here and it's not good That's why you have these protests in Michigan and Harrisburg and everywhere else trying to open these states up. 01:19:35.801 --> 01:19:42.644 It's just absurd and the I just wanted to speak to the I don't stop your flow Jonathan. 01:19:42.684 --> 01:19:54.128 So If you had more to say just cut me off, but just as a sort of panic personal anecdote Watching the people in Michigan I was 01:19:56.089 --> 01:20:10.396 I was dismayed to sort of see that type of, of course, you know, I understand that people are worried about the overreach of the federal government, you know, and in the American context, that always makes sense because I want America to have that, to have that streak. 01:20:11.156 --> 01:20:23.261 And, but it just, it, to me, it just, it just seemed like teenagers giddy with their first date or something where, where, you know, the, of all the other times where there are people who are, 01:20:26.238 --> 01:20:37.948 always going on about, you know, they're coming to take my guns and my whatever thing that they want to sort of glob onto with the social dynamics of the United States. 01:20:39.870 --> 01:20:51.840 In doing what they're doing where they're sort of forcing the hand of the current administration and I'll sort of go on record at this point that I don't think, it's very difficult in my mind to see how 01:20:53.703 --> 01:20:56.344 the president could have done things any different. 01:20:56.584 --> 01:20:58.104 And he did do things a lot earlier. 01:20:58.325 --> 01:21:05.727 And I felt he was hamstrung at multiple levels, just not even just including this current issue. 01:21:05.767 --> 01:21:11.029 But I've never seen anything like the sort of bizarre political landscape that's existed. 01:21:11.049 --> 01:21:19.452 There's usually some oddities with the United States, of course, but I've never seen anything so bizarre as the pushback that 01:21:21.012 --> 01:21:29.435 A new president would get and you know, I thought it seemed bad with obama and sort of what were tea party type demonstrations but So what is this? 01:21:30.015 --> 01:21:31.355 Can you see that picture there? 01:21:31.415 --> 01:21:32.276 Like what is this? 01:21:32.336 --> 01:21:50.161 This yellow right here is the 8 million dead pandemic curve that then comes back down over here This is the 120 000 fatalities six times flu and pneumonia So you can already see here in retrospect that ethical skeptic is probably part of this bullshit 01:21:51.684 --> 01:21:57.927 even if he's just a guy who they had in place to make sure that the graphs were impactful. 01:21:58.947 --> 01:22:00.928 This doesn't look very impressive to me. 01:22:00.988 --> 01:22:09.772 This looks very much like I walked into something, and I can't really remember for sure how it is that I was sent or found ethical skeptic. 01:22:09.832 --> 01:22:12.173 It might have even been that ethical skeptic was somehow 01:22:13.013 --> 01:22:29.187 um a little bit related to drastic but that was me bringing it in so it was me not understanding and uh i could be wrong ethical skeptic could be a good person but it's definitely a anonymous account that has uh multiple orders of magnitude more coverage than 01:22:30.147 --> 01:22:57.092 Mark or I have ever been able to achieve So, you know, maybe it's because they've got great information and beautiful graphs Or maybe it's because they are part of the worst-case scenario narrative where now there's gonna be a pole shift So you either better find a place somewhere where the water isn't gonna be or or something I don't know because the earth is gonna shift at a 25 degree angle and and the mantle is gonna shift relative to the core or some shit So, I don't know. 01:22:57.192 --> 01:22:58.472 I don't know what to say other than I 01:22:59.978 --> 01:23:02.719 I'm skeptical of the ethical skeptic. 01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:26.227 They haven't let the current president be able to sit still for a minute because of the constant stream of making issues where there aren't any, be it sketchy MI6 dossiers and surveillance prior, even before he became president, to the Russiagate impeachment. 01:23:26.267 --> 01:23:28.008 People have to remember, all that was rolling on 01:23:29.796 --> 01:23:30.856 one after another after another. 01:23:30.876 --> 01:23:40.281 And he was supposed to react in a measured manner in response to something that humanity in our current lifetimes have never had to deal with before. 01:23:41.602 --> 01:23:48.305 It just smacks to me of political gaming and trying to get political one-upmanship. 01:23:48.885 --> 01:23:56.089 And I guess to sort of tie it back around to what Jonathan was saying with the 01:23:59.285 --> 01:24:00.866 You've got different, the spread. 01:24:01.226 --> 01:24:04.348 He called me Paul before he said Jonathan, in case you missed it. 01:24:09.510 --> 01:24:13.512 Across the country, because it's a massive continent, of course, are at different places. 01:24:13.572 --> 01:24:19.355 And so now they've sort of forced their hand of, well, we're going to put some states back to work, et cetera. 01:24:19.435 --> 01:24:24.377 And it might just have undone everything with respect to sort of biting the bullet when they did. 01:24:24.978 --> 01:24:25.918 That's what I would add to that. 01:24:27.881 --> 01:24:29.002 Yeah, well said, Doc. 01:24:29.742 --> 01:24:32.303 I don't have much to add to that, but yeah, go ahead, Doc. 01:24:32.764 --> 01:24:34.345 No, I just wanted to get back on topic. 01:24:34.365 --> 01:24:38.167 You were going to tell us about a couple of primate papers that you recently... Oh, right. 01:24:38.207 --> 01:24:45.611 So, yeah, so as I sort of, you know, and I'd like to sort of project an air of all knowing, but 01:24:46.983 --> 01:24:54.925 the simple fact is that when you're sort of in the research lab doing your own research, you tend to, you tend to sort of stick close to your, your field of interest. 01:24:55.825 --> 01:25:00.066 And infectious disease was not my, was not my thing. 01:25:00.526 --> 01:25:15.190 And so I'd, I'd sort of had peripherally known about, um, uh, I do about Dongdong, uh, province and their primate facilities, but had I, had I really in any way sort of kept an eye on, uh, 01:25:15.990 --> 01:25:22.655 anything to do with SARS or not, not really, because it wasn't, it wasn't a great interest to me as such. 01:25:22.695 --> 01:25:25.357 I mean, there was, I remember I'd seen papers about. 01:25:26.758 --> 01:25:41.009 That little basement was still a very sweet little house, a little charming little house that my wife and I would have loved to buy that my, I was unable to buy because of the pandemic and losing my job. 01:25:42.322 --> 01:25:53.092 one of the parts of my narrative that was absorbed by the liar, Charles Rixey, who had to sell a house that looks like on Zillow was absolutely brand new when he bought it. 01:25:53.152 --> 01:26:01.440 So he was in a different scenario as a shoe salesman, being able to buy a $200,000 house and then sell it during the pandemic. 01:26:01.460 --> 01:26:06.104 Whereas I was renting to own and kind of had to ask for, 01:26:07.387 --> 01:26:31.366 Ask out of a contract with with somebody that trusted me to fulfill that contract because of what happened to me during the pandemic so, um, They have played some pretty diabolical games with me and my family And uh, it's been pretty gross And so that's part of the reason why I think it's important to see that all of these recordings are actually evidence of this malevolence 01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:33.500 They had people in place. 01:26:34.301 --> 01:26:38.704 They had people, small and large, in place to mess around with us. 01:26:38.844 --> 01:26:52.494 The connection between Addy Adds and Kevin McCairn and George Webb, who was cited as being one of the arch enemies of Robert Malone already at the beginning of this charade, basically, cannot be ignored. 01:26:53.868 --> 01:27:07.473 because the same people were messing with Mark Kulak and trying to keep us apart, and they have tried over and over again to separate us with different charades and different groups of people that have been lying to us about their own relationship with each other. 01:27:09.554 --> 01:27:18.598 And they are all anti-American, five eyes, I don't know what, I don't know who, but they're not American patriots. 01:27:19.638 --> 01:27:21.779 And anybody working with them is a traitor. 01:27:27.010 --> 01:27:28.190 the potential for using it. 01:27:28.811 --> 01:27:30.832 It had a potential for the neurotrophic components. 01:27:30.872 --> 01:27:32.653 But again, that's all very sort of hazy. 01:27:32.733 --> 01:27:40.158 So, you know, I started to sort of dig around and a few papers popped up on preprint servers, I want to say in the last week or two. 01:27:40.878 --> 01:27:43.000 And these were 01:27:44.232 --> 01:27:50.236 these basically confirmed, so the confirmation of the testing within animals. 01:27:50.656 --> 01:27:59.322 So I'm getting a lot of pushback from virus deniers and all those that want to think that it's a big conspiracy by- Shout out to Dr. Young. 01:28:00.623 --> 01:28:04.345 Oh right, yeah. 01:28:04.585 --> 01:28:09.448 He's not here today, he didn't want to come in. 01:28:10.409 --> 01:28:13.331 Because of these sort of individuals, 01:28:16.648 --> 01:28:22.973 Like I said, we've been so hamstrung, and my sort of train of thought had gone, I had something that I was going to, oh yeah, yes, I know. 01:28:23.253 --> 01:28:37.104 So when SARS first sort of broke onto the scene, and it was in, I keep butchering it, so I feel stupid saying it, but where SARS first broke out, that primate facility probably had 01:28:37.724 --> 01:28:56.881 much to do with like the initial handling and if we were to edge towards the more conspiratorial as the bats and the first outbreaks were there as well I'm just wondering if there'd been some earlier instantiation of the disease in that region and there was some passage through the 01:28:59.049 --> 01:29:15.116 through testing with macaques, the Chinese, they're not that concerned about their own citizens, they're less concerned about monkeys in a lab, and they would have for sure done experiments that would have probably struggled to get ethical approval. 01:29:15.496 --> 01:29:16.697 Now if you sort of follow the 01:29:18.666 --> 01:29:30.074 The history, so the testing in primates of the original SARS, some groups, so I probably should get my names right, so I will do the quick, I will do my due diligence. 01:29:30.094 --> 01:29:31.955 I think it's Guangdong, the pronunciation. 01:29:31.975 --> 01:29:32.655 Guangdong, yeah. 01:29:35.780 --> 01:29:37.681 And no doubt, the Chinese say it different. 01:29:40.343 --> 01:29:51.451 So if you just go into Google and you just Google primate models and monkeys and SARS, sorry, primate models and SARS, you get a bunch of hits that should come to the top for you. 01:29:52.091 --> 01:29:55.573 And one of those is an article that was published in 2006. 01:29:55.994 --> 01:30:03.959 And this man, as a somewhat seasoned academic, I'm going to... Oh, is this Hagman's? 01:30:06.172 --> 01:30:07.594 It's not that there's a there's a response. 01:30:07.694 --> 01:30:14.519 It's a response to them and I want to say I want to say so Hackman's and us the house. 01:30:14.559 --> 01:30:23.046 I think were the one of the groups which were Publishing what seemed to be Albert Ulster house is the guy who was sitting on stage? 01:30:24.487 --> 01:30:29.872 when mark von ronst Presented at Chatham house in 2019 about the 2009 swine flu 01:30:34.164 --> 01:30:37.426 And we watched that video a couple of different times on my stream. 01:30:37.487 --> 01:30:41.510 And sitting on stage in two comfortable chairs, one of them was Osterhaus. 01:30:42.110 --> 01:30:55.080 Osterhaus is also the guy that we watched talk about the Mexican flu in an office in Erasmus with Fauchier in the office because he was at the time his post-doc. 01:30:55.720 --> 01:31:02.244 where they're excited about the first case of Mexican flu, which is a Dutch kid coming back from Mexico on holiday. 01:31:02.784 --> 01:31:09.689 And so they're very excited and they get the whiskey or they get the scotch and they have a toast. 01:31:09.809 --> 01:31:24.138 And then they show him walking down the hallway that I used to work in through the glass doors I used to walk through and show him, get a message on his little Nokia phone that says that they ordered 35 million doses of his vaccine. 01:31:24.878 --> 01:31:34.442 That's who that guy is, that this guy is about to use as a primary reference for why SARS is a real virus and why they have non-primate models for it. 01:31:34.862 --> 01:31:42.646 But he's not going to tell you that what they use here is a recombinant DNA or RNA version of it that's made to a purity that can only be made commercially. 01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:49.202 Not from a cultured virus that they derive from passage in cell culture. 01:31:49.262 --> 01:31:49.842 No, no, no. 01:31:49.922 --> 01:31:55.204 It's transfection or transformation of a cell culture and then applying it to an animal model. 01:31:56.064 --> 01:32:03.887 And he could have told us this already back then, but he knew exactly what paper to look for and exactly who they are, even though he doesn't work on infectious disease. 01:32:07.208 --> 01:32:08.969 And I was just too dumb to see it. 01:32:10.586 --> 01:32:13.848 I just thought he was a nice guy who was trying to do the same thing as I did. 01:32:15.928 --> 01:32:17.109 Just trying to figure it out. 01:32:18.310 --> 01:32:34.237 But while he's saying out of one mouth that he doesn't do any of this, now he's bringing up the perfect guy with the perfect track record connected to all the people in Europe who ran this scam already in the swine flu and the Mexican flu, whatever it was called back then. 01:32:36.468 --> 01:32:43.473 What an extraordinary thing to see in 2024 when we look back, but everything just line up like pegs. 01:32:45.675 --> 01:32:51.439 A successful transfection of SARS into non-human primates. 01:32:52.820 --> 01:32:53.340 Sorry, what? 01:32:54.081 --> 01:32:55.622 Successful transfection? 01:32:56.463 --> 01:33:03.668 So he actually knows that it's a transfection, that they transfect the primates with the synthetic clone. 01:33:05.224 --> 01:33:16.907 Hagman's and Osterhaus, I think, were one of the groups which were publishing what seemed to be a successful transfection of SARS into non-human primates. 01:33:19.148 --> 01:33:22.009 Do you see why the narrative was being curated? 01:33:22.049 --> 01:33:22.689 Do you see it? 01:33:22.769 --> 01:33:25.570 They didn't even know what narrative they had to curate. 01:33:25.610 --> 01:33:27.170 They didn't know what I would come up with. 01:33:27.210 --> 01:33:29.751 They didn't know who else would come up with anything. 01:33:31.567 --> 01:33:51.273 Part of the thing you need to see that Event 201 never showed you, or that Dark Winter never showed you, or all these other exercises never showed you, was how this thing would have to be dynamic and would have to respond dynamically to the citizenry, respond dynamically to the local response to make sure that the narrative evolved in the direction that they wanted. 01:33:51.673 --> 01:34:00.456 And they needed to have flexible narrative curators present around the world, and maybe even narrative curators contact those people that they identified 01:34:00.876 --> 01:34:04.817 has particularly disruptive or particularly independent in their thinking. 01:34:04.958 --> 01:34:12.820 You know, like some guy on his bike who'd been doing journal club for a couple months and decided to do a journal club on coronavirus. 01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:14.861 He might need somebody to contact him. 01:34:15.861 --> 01:34:17.302 Maybe we can come up with somebody. 01:34:21.924 --> 01:34:28.366 I think he probably owes me about four years of thanks for my salary, Jay, because without you, I wouldn't have a job. 01:34:29.943 --> 01:34:36.005 The only other thing he might've been around for was to absorb the people that were watching that Scottish guy that they killed or died. 01:34:39.766 --> 01:34:47.269 Not sure what to say about that, but I, I'm very pessimistic about this guy's relevance other than money. 01:34:47.569 --> 01:34:49.850 If I wasn't in this story, I don't think he would be either. 01:34:50.090 --> 01:34:55.012 In response to that, and I want to say that was, I want to say the letter was in plus one as well. 01:34:56.352 --> 01:34:57.132 Is it Hogan? 01:34:57.152 --> 01:34:57.613 Yeah, maybe. 01:34:57.933 --> 01:34:58.133 Yeah. 01:34:58.233 --> 01:34:58.633 He's a, 01:35:00.075 --> 01:35:00.515 Let's see. 01:35:01.215 --> 01:35:15.180 Yeah, so he's, I think he's sort of saying, he goes on to record to say that Hagemans and Osterhaus were essentially not forthcoming with respect to their agents. 01:35:15.780 --> 01:35:19.882 And there was a lot of back and forth as to how useful 01:35:20.797 --> 01:35:27.122 monkeys were, and monkeys were a very hot, it's been a very hot potato for many years now, especially in Europe. 01:35:27.482 --> 01:35:31.746 It started to infect the United States as well, not long after. 01:35:32.506 --> 01:35:45.276 And the Luddites, and sadly it's, it's not kids, it's young adults I would say, but you know, you're getting a, so you get a particular demographic from universities and 01:35:48.464 --> 01:35:54.387 I'm going to try and bring up the letter, because I want to quote him properly. 01:35:54.848 --> 01:35:59.330 So while you look that up, Dr. McCarron, perhaps Dr. Kouwe could answer this question we got from Marie. 01:36:00.251 --> 01:36:04.153 She says, do we know if people can become immune after infection? 01:36:04.293 --> 01:36:05.854 I'm assuming she means after they recover. 01:36:08.436 --> 01:36:09.496 So I'm not a medical doctor. 01:36:09.556 --> 01:36:11.237 You're asking the wrong guy, but I can tell you what I know. 01:36:11.257 --> 01:36:16.480 I know that they believe that they can see extended antibody titers after infection. 01:36:18.496 --> 01:36:34.980 I also know that there's evidence from mares and patients who've had mares, which is this middle eastern camel version of this virus, that if you're given an antiviral drug like remdesivir too early in the course of your infection, then you won't develop antibodies and you'll still be completely naive to the infection should it come back. 01:36:36.580 --> 01:36:39.361 So there's good reason to believe that there are several different reasons why 01:36:40.143 --> 01:36:57.678 the reports of two times in a row becoming infected or reinfection of people who used to be positive and then recovered and then became positive again, there's reason to believe that that can occur for a wide range of reasons, all coming from different angles of how this disease manifests itself and how the immune response manifests itself. 01:36:58.259 --> 01:36:59.260 What's he laughing about? 01:36:59.983 --> 01:37:13.016 the reports of two times in a row becoming infected or reinfection of people who used to be positive and then recovered and then became positive again, there's reason to believe that that can occur for a wide range of reasons, all coming from different angles. 01:37:13.216 --> 01:37:14.958 I guess they got me on something, right? 01:37:14.978 --> 01:37:15.958 That's pretty funny, huh? 01:37:16.899 --> 01:37:23.346 I'm talking about reinfection, so I'm running in their hamster wheel talking about remdesivir running in their hamster wheel. 01:37:24.485 --> 01:37:31.212 I don't know if I could go to my first notebook and find out if there were any notes about what was being talked about here before this meeting or not. 01:37:31.252 --> 01:37:39.860 But my guess is, is that somehow or another, those ideas got in front of me via drastic conversations or drastic messaging. 01:37:40.300 --> 01:37:46.867 And there I am being laughed at because I'm talking about exactly what they put in front of me a couple of days earlier. 01:37:46.927 --> 01:37:48.088 I have no doubt about it. 01:37:48.807 --> 01:37:54.450 of how this disease manifests itself and how the immune response... That's why he's gotta hide his smile, right? 01:37:54.510 --> 01:37:56.911 He's laughing because they're joking about me. 01:37:57.872 --> 01:38:01.133 And Addy's not reading the same thing, otherwise he'd be laughing too. 01:38:01.154 --> 01:38:02.054 ...manifests itself to it. 01:38:03.315 --> 01:38:07.977 But there's no reason to believe that this is somehow special biologically, that we can't become immune to it. 01:38:07.997 --> 01:38:13.580 It's just a... What percentage of people who get sick and recover are now immune to it should it come around again? 01:38:14.534 --> 01:38:19.798 I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be like any other flu in the sense of if the flu doesn't change very much from this year to next year, we'll all be fine. 01:38:19.858 --> 01:38:20.759 And most of us won't get it. 01:38:20.799 --> 01:38:22.500 And if it changed a lot, a lot more of us will get it. 01:38:23.061 --> 01:38:25.062 So he's still laughing. 01:38:25.663 --> 01:38:29.365 He's still laughing very fast as it moves through our population. 01:38:29.425 --> 01:38:31.947 Then when we get exposed to it again, after we've had it once, we should be okay. 01:38:32.368 --> 01:38:36.871 And if enough of us get exposed to it before it gets to our geographic region, it's possible that we'll never get exposed to it. 01:38:37.091 --> 01:38:40.694 It's possible, but it's not very likely anymore because so much, so many of us are infected. 01:38:41.374 --> 01:38:47.440 that happened with SARS because it just apparently didn't crack the threshold for endemic spread. 01:38:47.661 --> 01:38:56.190 Yeah, they put the cap on really early on that one because that one would have been... I was lost and now Addy's gonna agree. 01:38:56.230 --> 01:38:58.392 Yeah, they sure put the cap on that one quick. 01:38:58.432 --> 01:39:02.176 Listen to this as if Addy knows the history of SARS really well. 01:39:02.196 --> 01:39:03.077 Endemic spread. 01:39:03.342 --> 01:39:09.290 Yeah, they put the cap on the bottle real, real early on that one, because that one would have been way worse than this one, no? 01:39:09.410 --> 01:39:12.674 But I think it still got more than a million people, like more than a million were infected, I think. 01:39:12.694 --> 01:39:13.675 Oh, wow, okay. 01:39:14.236 --> 01:39:18.121 Not so many, you know, it just took a lot longer to get to a million, now we're already there, right? 01:39:18.141 --> 01:39:22.166 I mean, I think SARS got to a million in two years of it slowly being snuffed out. 01:39:23.894 --> 01:39:26.256 Well, what sort of speaks to that? 01:39:27.437 --> 01:39:29.218 And I want to make a point. 01:39:29.358 --> 01:39:34.302 So on my streams this week, a good friend of mine was speaking. 01:39:34.902 --> 01:39:42.367 And it's important to remember that even though Guangdong, or wherever, it's King Kong, Bingbong, Bingbong province, 01:39:43.459 --> 01:39:45.741 So I hadn't started streaming every day. 01:39:45.821 --> 01:39:47.342 He's already streaming every day. 01:39:47.402 --> 01:39:51.024 He's decided that he's got to do this full time, whereas I've still got my job. 01:39:51.925 --> 01:39:54.987 I'm still riding into work every day at this stage. 01:39:57.128 --> 01:40:01.951 This is the basement where I charge my bike and I take all my dirty clothes off. 01:40:02.011 --> 01:40:08.716 My little garage is right next door here, where I filmed the first sort of intro to coronavirus in the rain. 01:40:10.503 --> 01:40:17.125 where I used to ride up my driveway with rocks on both sides and then ride up with my wheels that had the spinning flag in it. 01:40:19.229 --> 01:40:21.110 That's where this is being taken from right now. 01:40:21.270 --> 01:40:23.192 That's the time frame we're at. 01:40:23.532 --> 01:40:25.313 It was a long time ago. 01:40:25.333 --> 01:40:31.437 The Chinese authorities were lackadaisical at the time with respect to reporting. 01:40:31.937 --> 01:40:46.246 And it was the Canadians infrastructure and program that was set up that sort of caught the first breaking of this and the emergence of it onto sort of more international or kicked into gear sort of international infrastructure. 01:40:48.120 --> 01:40:51.164 The same thing seems to have happened again from the Chinese. 01:40:54.008 --> 01:40:55.830 It's good to clean house on our side. 01:40:55.950 --> 01:40:57.872 I don't think we should lose this opportunity to do so. 01:40:58.133 --> 01:40:59.294 And we should get into that in a bit. 01:40:59.334 --> 01:41:02.178 But what I want to speak about is that 01:41:03.395 --> 01:41:11.761 I'll get the monkey stuff out of the way first, but it's the fact that the Chinese Communist Party are not your friends, right? 01:41:12.262 --> 01:41:24.931 And for those that sort of, especially of a younger persuasion feel inclined, and I know it's normal when you're that age to sort of air towards what seems like an egalitarian 01:41:25.852 --> 01:41:29.274 way of looking or trying to shape the world. 01:41:29.574 --> 01:41:40.018 And it doesn't seem to make sense to people, especially the sort of ideologically more possessed that they are, that we're not doing things in a fair way. 01:41:40.058 --> 01:41:43.120 And I do realize that we 01:41:44.258 --> 01:41:58.123 we have our own issues in the West, especially as we've turbocharged everything with hyper-competitiveness and then hyper-reward, and that has problems. 01:41:58.283 --> 01:42:03.725 I might just want to keep that on, make a note of that, Adi, if we can sort of maybe pull the conversation around to that. 01:42:04.025 --> 01:42:05.286 Yeah, we want to put a pin in that one? 01:42:05.646 --> 01:42:09.508 Yeah, and let me just, I want to use the exact words 01:42:11.261 --> 01:42:32.695 that the Robert Hogan used and I don't know this person personally and so it's not any sort of personal animosity between me and him other than what I would perceive to be potential conflicts of interest and he wrote a quick letter which was our non-human primate 01:42:33.354 --> 01:42:35.476 Good for modeling model good models for stars. 01:42:35.876 --> 01:42:48.446 It's the correct title and he wanted he wanted to respond to the Hagman and Osterhaus paper and in his last paragraph, I Finally see where we're going. 01:42:48.466 --> 01:42:48.906 Mm-hmm. 01:42:49.727 --> 01:42:55.412 So a little while ago they had us They had a paper up, excuse me, I'm eating M&Ms. 01:42:56.292 --> 01:42:57.153 They had a paper up and 01:42:58.308 --> 01:43:05.154 which showed this Osterhaus guy and a non-human primate model for SARS. 01:43:06.235 --> 01:43:20.807 Now we're going to talk about some other guy who argues that this might not be the best primate model because primates don't get sick when we transfect them with a cloned synthetic pure version of the sequence that we claim is SARS. 01:43:22.622 --> 01:43:32.789 And so here he is presenting a paper where they use an infectious clone, either transfect a cell culture and then put the supernatant in the monkeys, or they just transfect the monkeys. 01:43:34.610 --> 01:43:37.732 And he's not going to explain it, but he did say the word transfect once. 01:43:38.252 --> 01:43:42.395 So he damn well knew that in April, 2020, that's what they were going to do to us. 01:43:42.435 --> 01:43:43.676 They were going to transfect us. 01:43:50.649 --> 01:44:12.472 his argument is that the primates don't make good models for SARS because the infection seems to be unpredictable much like it is with humans and then in that context I would use that fact to say all the more reason to be using primates under these circumstances and so he sort of finishes his letter to 01:44:14.333 --> 01:44:19.035 to the journal, it's a long paragraph, so please bear with me. 01:44:19.055 --> 01:44:34.723 So it says, perhaps the most interesting issue is that Lawler and colleagues, so this is another group, state that SARS, I won't do that one, but SARS generation one infection of Sinomogulus macaques did not reproduce the severe illness seen in the majority of adult human cases of SARS, to his knowledge. 01:44:35.123 --> 01:44:41.586 Only Osterhaus's laboratory and laboratories from China have reported severe disease in SARS-infected macaques. 01:44:41.986 --> 01:45:09.192 asked the house mentions that the variability in results may be due to factors such as the strain of the virus used which is critical keep that in mind and this is certainly true he says however he has not released the virus isolate used in these studies to me or my colleagues in spite of requests given that so many groups e.g the centers for disease control and prevention the united states army medical research institute of infectious diseases the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases etc which the last two are part of 01:45:10.618 --> 01:45:13.180 Wow, this is a fantastic finding. 01:45:13.240 --> 01:45:14.481 It makes me very excited. 01:45:15.702 --> 01:45:17.763 This is Fauci's little fiefdom. 01:45:19.504 --> 01:45:20.285 Wow! 01:45:20.305 --> 01:45:25.568 With excellent scientific skills and credentials, have reported contradictory results with at least two strains of SARS. 01:45:25.909 --> 01:45:30.892 It is troublesome that the use of non-human primates in SARS pathogenesis vaccine and therapeutic testing continues. 01:45:31.392 --> 01:45:31.452 Wow! 01:45:35.100 --> 01:45:38.602 He thinks that I'm going to be excited about it for the wrong reason, I think. 01:45:38.682 --> 01:45:39.362 But we'll see. 01:45:39.842 --> 01:45:44.644 I'm predicting that I'm going to be excited about it because it doesn't substantiate the new virus. 01:45:44.824 --> 01:45:45.184 That link. 01:45:45.204 --> 01:45:46.465 You need to send me that link. 01:45:46.485 --> 01:45:49.126 Yeah, I'll put it in the comments right now. 01:45:49.166 --> 01:45:50.467 Oh my gosh, I need to read that. 01:45:50.787 --> 01:45:53.008 I need to follow that whole bibliography again. 01:45:53.188 --> 01:45:53.548 Wow. 01:45:54.208 --> 01:45:55.469 Fantastic finding. 01:45:56.241 --> 01:45:59.484 So, um, so why would he not send that that's the question, right? 01:45:59.884 --> 01:46:09.231 Well, so of course there's there may be and we need to dig into uh, the um, the other people, uh 01:46:10.442 --> 01:46:11.382 Holy crap. 01:46:11.722 --> 01:46:15.403 Whatever their names were, Huggmans and Osterhaus. 01:46:15.423 --> 01:46:16.763 We need to dig into them a bit more. 01:46:18.524 --> 01:46:20.704 We need to dig into Osterhaus a bit more. 01:46:20.744 --> 01:46:36.147 He's not gonna dig into Osterhaus a bit more because if he did, he would have found out that he was part of this charade of establishing a impending pandemic from a single case in 2009 in the Netherlands for Mexican flu. 01:46:37.182 --> 01:46:41.646 that resulted in him getting 35 million doses of a vaccine he designed, ordered. 01:46:45.929 --> 01:46:47.110 So he's not going to see through it. 01:46:47.150 --> 01:46:50.733 He's laying this down, laying down the debate, asking the wrong question. 01:46:50.893 --> 01:46:53.375 Is a macaque a really good model for this or not? 01:46:54.815 --> 01:47:03.921 rather than talking about the fact that the reason why they won't share it is because at that time, the use of recombinant clones as a virology substitute, i.e. 01:47:04.001 --> 01:47:10.225 transfection and transformation of cell culture, had not really been established yet as the gold standard for virology. 01:47:10.245 --> 01:47:17.029 And so sharing these isolates was a little more difficult because you might, in theory, just be given away the whole gas. 01:47:18.450 --> 01:47:19.771 Now it's just accepted. 01:47:22.773 --> 01:47:34.908 But this is at a time when that shit was all getting, that was all getting codified in 2002, three, four, five, during that time when SARS Urbani became an accepted thing to share. 01:47:36.670 --> 01:47:38.472 No, I mean, not so much. 01:47:38.512 --> 01:47:41.156 I mean, they were, they're in, 01:47:43.056 --> 01:47:44.117 in the Netherlands, isn't he? 01:47:44.257 --> 01:47:45.418 Yeah. 01:47:45.658 --> 01:47:48.380 He's at the same lab that Fauché's at. 01:47:48.460 --> 01:47:50.621 Fauché's the guy who did the ferret flu stuff in 2011. 01:47:50.661 --> 01:47:53.783 He's at the same institute. 01:47:54.164 --> 01:48:02.109 I don't think they've gone anywhere because they did publish data in 2011 with SARS still. 01:48:02.469 --> 01:48:03.910 I think I want to say that that study was. 01:48:05.171 --> 01:48:08.693 But the thing to keep in mind is that 01:48:10.862 --> 01:48:17.987 scientists as they climb up that greasy pole become ever more sort of corrupt drunk with power and It's hard. 01:48:18.027 --> 01:48:38.780 It's harder and harder to find people with what you would consider good intent good intentions with respect to what you think would be scientific questions in the interest of the public and he and so I don't you could only be guessing right now what would be the the bad blood between them, but I guess as 01:48:40.353 --> 01:48:42.674 But I think one thing to make here is that this is not an email. 01:48:43.174 --> 01:48:44.254 This is a published letter. 01:48:44.394 --> 01:48:46.875 So this is extremely well-chosen language. 01:48:46.915 --> 01:48:48.276 Maybe even run past a lawyer. 01:48:49.356 --> 01:48:52.177 This is some serious stuff to publish. 01:48:52.417 --> 01:48:56.279 It's not an email that we got through secondhand connections or something. 01:48:56.299 --> 01:49:00.680 This is a publicly published text which says, something's fishy here. 01:49:01.321 --> 01:49:05.042 And that's a very bold statement to make in this context, I think. 01:49:05.624 --> 01:49:07.408 I would just put it down right now. 01:49:07.428 --> 01:49:17.285 I would say give it the benefit of the doubt that people back up back up transfection It's because you get into this whole say give it the benefit to make it well 01:49:18.525 --> 01:49:20.286 I would just put it down right now. 01:49:20.306 --> 01:49:25.148 I would say give it the benefit of the doubt that people did try in transfection. 01:49:25.508 --> 01:49:30.330 It's because you get into this whole issue of Cox postulates with respect to disease. 01:49:30.370 --> 01:49:33.291 And that's a lot of what I've been sort of trying to sort of nail down. 01:49:33.411 --> 01:49:34.431 Holy shit. 01:49:34.491 --> 01:49:35.592 The viruses aren't. 01:49:35.712 --> 01:49:36.532 Holy shit. 01:49:36.572 --> 01:49:37.132 Do you see it? 01:49:38.553 --> 01:49:39.653 Do you see it right now? 01:49:40.654 --> 01:49:41.154 I'm right. 01:49:41.534 --> 01:49:42.915 I'm exactly right. 01:49:42.935 --> 01:49:46.176 The finally I said it correctly at the red pill conference. 01:49:47.230 --> 01:49:53.335 that virology in RNA form is essentially transformation and transfection of cell culture, that's it. 01:49:54.496 --> 01:50:05.585 They have bamboozled us into believing that RNA virology exists in high fidelity in nature, when in reality, the only thing that exists is transfection and transformation. 01:50:10.529 --> 01:50:13.892 And these primate models are just transfection of primates. 01:50:16.314 --> 01:50:24.021 And you're told that this is a good model for severe acute respiratory syndrome virus. 01:50:27.044 --> 01:50:37.614 The first self-replicating RNA pathogen that they decided to try and make in pure form and test in human experiments by releasing it in China. 01:50:37.674 --> 01:50:38.275 How about that? 01:50:38.475 --> 01:50:39.356 How about that idea? 01:50:41.670 --> 01:50:53.179 And so it has been his job from the very beginning to make sure that I don't find out that word, that I don't come to that realization because I should, because I've transformed and transfected my mice for years. 01:50:56.701 --> 01:50:57.682 Holy shit. 01:50:59.383 --> 01:51:05.247 So we got a quick question from, it looks like it's from Juliet, just a recap of what we're talking about. 01:51:05.508 --> 01:51:09.951 So Doc McCarron just sent me this particular published study. 01:51:11.148 --> 01:51:13.929 And Dr. McCairn, do you want to explain it a little bit? 01:51:13.949 --> 01:51:15.369 Can you do a paraphrase, perhaps? 01:51:15.709 --> 01:51:27.692 So that's the letter that was published in response to the original paper, which, let me just put the link for the paper, which is just simply entitled Non-Human Primates, Models of SARS. 01:51:28.252 --> 01:51:29.252 It's in the same journal. 01:51:29.872 --> 01:51:33.493 And let's just see what the author's response is as well. 01:51:33.513 --> 01:51:34.253 Let's just grab that link. 01:51:39.709 --> 01:52:08.221 My response to Hogan would be that man is an idiot, I would say, coming from my perspective with respect to primate research, because by undermining and cutting out the legs of research done in the West, they made it ever more difficult to conduct research in the West and therefore has 01:52:09.105 --> 01:52:15.046 left the terrain open to basically what I would say are ideological enemies to the West. 01:52:15.427 --> 01:52:37.832 And, you know, this is where I want to sort of keep emphasising to people that as much as we want to hold our, you know, we have this clean house with respect to, I think I've just posted all the links in chat, but the surrendering of these advantages that we had, that our 01:52:42.754 --> 01:53:00.639 I think he's making the argument that we are letting the Chinese get ahead of us because we aren't willing to do the experiments that they will Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's the argument that he's making grandparents left to us and we surrendered the grounds to on the fact that 01:53:00.913 --> 01:53:03.814 It says Robert J. Hogan on the screen in front of me. 01:53:04.514 --> 01:53:05.755 Robert J. Hogan. 01:53:06.435 --> 01:53:16.759 One, just in terms of the science, from a science perspective, was there was a great deal of hubris by scientists in the late 90s and in the early noughts where 01:53:17.788 --> 01:53:22.433 Um, it was, you know, we figured, we figured we were close to mapping, uh, the human genome. 01:53:22.453 --> 01:53:24.355 We'd map the genomes of other animals. 01:53:24.436 --> 01:53:28.660 And then we thought that with that, we would be able to tackle all things under the sun. 01:53:29.261 --> 01:53:35.207 And that, that just turned out to be a fantastically naive way of thinking about biology. 01:53:35.808 --> 01:53:39.112 And you can't, um, uh, you, the, 01:53:39.895 --> 01:53:42.538 The idea that it's just genes per se. 01:53:42.598 --> 01:53:45.141 That's the smartest thing I've heard him say in years. 01:53:45.821 --> 01:53:47.363 And everything just comes down to genes. 01:53:50.446 --> 01:53:52.688 Well, you know, that's simplistic thinking. 01:53:53.149 --> 01:53:53.349 Right. 01:53:53.830 --> 01:53:54.370 And the 01:53:55.532 --> 01:53:58.032 And I'm sort of sidetracking from the point I wanted to say. 01:53:58.433 --> 01:54:09.855 And that is that we, we in the West have surrendered all the technical advantage we had with respect to the type of research that could be done, um, because people found it distasteful. 01:54:10.335 --> 01:54:19.797 It, it, um, it hurt their feels that something as incorrigible as animal testing could be, uh, could be done. 01:54:20.477 --> 01:54:20.717 And the, 01:54:22.658 --> 01:54:24.140 We're paying the price for that now. 01:54:24.160 --> 01:54:29.185 So we're having a debate about animal testing when the goal is to convert to human testing? 01:54:31.608 --> 01:54:43.181 The goal is to roll out a transfection technology en masse and then keep track of placebo groups, keep track of different concentrations and different lipid nanoparticle combinations? 01:54:44.545 --> 01:54:54.366 And he's arguing about animal experiments and whether or not the West is willing to do animal experiments when the actual game that is going to be played as we know it now. 01:54:56.346 --> 01:54:59.169 is that they are going to shift us to testing on us. 01:54:59.709 --> 01:55:19.206 And now that we know that, when we look back and realize that Kevin McCarron was having a long discussion about animal testing and how the West doesn't have the balls to do the animal testing that the East will do, you must see it as pretty extraordinary because he's not usefully getting us anywhere close to the exit of this cave, but instead 01:55:19.646 --> 01:55:31.632 has convinced us to walk in the wrong direction and debate the wrong questions and never even come close to understanding that the idea is to create us or to create a world where we are the test subjects. 01:55:32.142 --> 01:55:36.585 because it's just an axiom that if it can be done, it will be done. 01:55:37.085 --> 01:55:40.207 And so it was done then by the Chinese. 01:55:40.247 --> 01:55:45.290 And the thing is, it put us into a position where we started funding them to do the research for us. 01:55:45.651 --> 01:55:49.573 And you can be damn sure that as these programs have 01:55:51.465 --> 01:55:53.986 they do involve gain of function type research. 01:55:54.346 --> 01:56:06.091 They also are dual use and any sort of endeavor, especially scientific endeavor in China, you're dealing with the Chinese, the People's Liberation Army. 01:56:06.611 --> 01:56:14.314 And as bad as you think we are in the West, the Chinese are infinitely worse in 01:56:15.174 --> 01:56:36.512 in any respect with in terms of human rights and but i am bored aren't you bored what is he talking about i mean what do you want me to say here of course i was bored it's the middle of the night we've been talking already for how long 53 minutes we haven't really said very much 01:56:38.629 --> 01:56:45.356 This is like the fifth time, fifth weekend in a row that I've been online with these guys in the middle of the night on a Saturday. 01:56:45.436 --> 01:56:49.860 So I don't know, whenever I'm doing this, like, what kind of comment is that? 01:56:50.041 --> 01:56:51.002 Of course I'm bored. 01:56:51.042 --> 01:56:55.766 Why am I not, why wouldn't I be bored when I'm talking to this guy about what he's talking about right now? 01:56:56.787 --> 01:56:57.889 It was by design. 01:56:57.909 --> 01:56:59.270 The, the, 01:57:03.800 --> 01:57:05.561 disregard for human beings. 01:57:05.621 --> 01:57:06.861 So I'll sort of stop there. 01:57:06.881 --> 01:57:09.022 I don't want to be monologuing all the time. 01:57:11.202 --> 01:57:12.703 Yeah, no, well said, Dr. McCarron. 01:57:12.943 --> 01:57:16.884 I'm going to stop right there, right in the middle of a thought about nothing. 01:57:17.785 --> 01:57:24.867 But yeah, if you have any other research papers you want to share, Dr. McCarron, during our chat tonight, just feel free to send them over because I know people in the comments 01:57:25.829 --> 01:57:30.794 wanted the link, so I posted the link to that paper in the comments, which a couple of people did appreciate. 01:57:31.214 --> 01:57:34.117 So yeah, I'll let Jonathan sort of look, and I'll start. 01:57:35.038 --> 01:57:41.003 I mean, I should have them saved, but my desktop is a thing of chaos right now. 01:57:42.044 --> 01:57:43.706 I'm always down here in the basement away from the children. 01:57:43.726 --> 01:57:44.647 I don't have my laptop here. 01:57:45.323 --> 01:58:00.755 Yeah, I just, I was thinking about that, that you have to be the, you're like the antipode of the sweaty, I forget the word that they use, but what's the, how do they describe the young kids who can't get girlfriends in the basement? 01:58:01.056 --> 01:58:02.917 You have to be the- Incel. 01:58:03.037 --> 01:58:04.038 Incel, that's right, yeah. 01:58:04.098 --> 01:58:13.025 So Jonathan is the antithesis of that with, so you're sitting on sort of a plot of a few acres and a house with a wife and family, yet you're in the basement. 01:58:18.171 --> 01:58:35.386 But please let me just sort of get my, see if I can find these papers, but I mean the message in them was clear and I don't know if Jonathan can speak to Koch's postulates with respect to disease and transfective agents and then that might sort of... Oh, she's giving me a test? 01:58:35.486 --> 01:58:36.066 That's terrible. 01:58:36.227 --> 01:58:39.910 As far as I understand that goes, it's something pretty simple, it's something 01:58:40.430 --> 01:58:44.713 that biologically makes sense, it should make sense to anybody with like an eighth grade biological background. 01:58:45.053 --> 01:58:55.440 The idea would be if you have somebody who's sick and you think that they're getting sick because of something in their mucus, then one very nice way to prove that would be to take that mucus and smear it on somebody who's healthy and then have them get sick in exactly the same way that you were sick. 01:58:55.840 --> 01:59:04.566 Show the same symptoms, you know, develop the same course of infection and recover in the roughly same way and then you'd have some pretty good evidence that the agent or the antigen, the 01:59:06.287 --> 01:59:11.428 whatever, the pathogen rather, that's causing the disease would have been in the mucus that you used to demonstrate this. 01:59:11.448 --> 01:59:16.750 So then this would go all the way down to really being able to purify the virus and give that virus to someone else. 01:59:16.850 --> 01:59:20.150 And when you give it to somebody who is healthy, they develop the same set of symptoms. 01:59:20.831 --> 01:59:22.611 And so in theory, they should work. 01:59:22.651 --> 01:59:30.033 But the trouble is, if this virus somehow can evoke a different bouquet of symptoms, depending on the order in which 01:59:31.005 --> 01:59:32.445 tissues it infects are attacked. 01:59:33.066 --> 01:59:48.410 So if the typical progression is one where the infection starts in the lungs or the throat and you're asymptomatic for five days and then it goes deeper in your lungs and you get pneumonia and then you have to go to hospital and the ventilators aren't really good for you and the ventilators do more damage and a lot of those people die, then that's one thing. 01:59:48.790 --> 01:59:50.010 But if the 01:59:51.013 --> 02:00:00.562 If the course of the infection is very variable when, for example, the person first loses their sense of smell and has a very dry cough, but no real fever or anything else. 02:00:00.602 --> 02:00:09.971 And then the next thing that happens is that they can't breathe and they land up face down in the pavement because the virus progressed from being in their sinuses to being in the brain with none of the things that happened deep in the lungs. 02:00:10.512 --> 02:00:13.975 But again, Cook's postulate becomes less relevant in this scenario because 02:00:14.728 --> 02:00:20.190 not less relevant, but then you're forced to recapitulate also the infection course. 02:00:20.510 --> 02:00:22.411 So did it primarily hit your sinuses first? 02:00:22.431 --> 02:00:24.492 Did it primarily hit your deep nasals first? 02:00:24.552 --> 02:00:26.092 Or did you first get it by ingesting? 02:00:27.633 --> 02:00:30.754 Please see how I'm learning this on the fly. 02:00:30.774 --> 02:00:33.135 I'm reading the immunology books right now. 02:00:33.195 --> 02:00:42.558 I'm looking at the cartoons in real time during the week here as I'm still going to work, still trying to do experiments, just trying to keep it on my bike and at night. 02:00:43.993 --> 02:00:45.734 And so I don't have a streaming setup. 02:00:45.774 --> 02:00:46.995 This is just an iPad. 02:00:47.035 --> 02:00:49.437 That's all I was ever doing with any of these streams. 02:00:50.017 --> 02:00:53.640 And so the best that I can do is recapitulate what I've recently read. 02:00:55.781 --> 02:01:07.209 And so I'm failing because I'm working under the assumptions that this narrative controlled op has put in front of me on TV and on social media and in people who decided to contact me on the internet. 02:01:10.956 --> 02:01:22.639 And that could be another way that the viral infection manifests itself, and that makes it even more difficult for the doctors then to diagnose it, because then the viral load will be different and spread in different tissues depending on where you are and when it started. 02:01:22.659 --> 02:01:26.980 That becomes quite complicated if the virus is using different methods of entering cells. 02:01:27.120 --> 02:01:30.000 So it's really tricky right now, the number of unknowns. 02:01:30.940 --> 02:01:33.841 I don't know how... Yeah, go on, finish your thought, Jonathan. 02:01:33.861 --> 02:01:34.701 No, no, that was it, really. 02:01:36.262 --> 02:01:37.522 Yeah, so I would sort of... 02:01:39.023 --> 02:01:53.626 expand on that by tying it into the current social mix by saying that right now, because of the devil's bargain that's being played out in the U.S. 02:01:54.006 --> 02:02:01.328 where, and I would say my own view towards... The devil's bargain in the U.S., wow. 02:02:03.664 --> 02:02:12.066 I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I think vaccines have an important place to play in the armamentarium of medicine. 02:02:13.347 --> 02:02:16.247 He believes in vaccines. 02:02:16.287 --> 02:02:20.348 They play an important role in the armamentarium of medicine. 02:02:26.110 --> 02:02:28.150 And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. 02:02:28.230 --> 02:02:30.631 And why some people can 02:02:32.058 --> 02:02:58.361 feel that the governments and state and federal authorities are overstepping the bounds by demanding that people take Or they're forced to go under a vaccine schedule that I would say is quite severe in the United States Anyway, and then what seems to be, you know, if we want to sort of push straight out straight out to the edge is that the people who were boycotting 02:02:59.062 --> 02:03:19.384 having a demonstration in Michigan you know obviously they have concerns with respect to the fact that oh Castro God is here so we can get an explanation for PCR Castro God but I'll just I'll just lays you straight away sir as Castro God is someone who doesn't believe that viruses exist and doesn't and 02:03:20.004 --> 02:03:44.766 doesn't understand the idea that Cox postulates have been demonstrated and as soon as you can demonstrate them in a animal of test or passage Cox postulates are Satisfied it's been done for years with With SARS and primates there's papers coming out as of this week with respect to the new strain of SARS and the 02:03:45.206 --> 02:03:50.311 Now the important thing to remember about the Inflectious Clone idea is one that is important. 02:03:50.431 --> 02:04:06.385 So if you make a sufficient quantity of it, it's possible that you could sample it and grow it and then you could even sample it and maybe it would, for a very brief period of time, be 02:04:08.652 --> 02:04:26.660 I'm just saying, if they can make the DNA and RNA and put it in places, then we can't really be sure how that transformation or transfection will manifest in any of these diagnostics, in any of these preparatory methods, in any of these methodologies that they would use in the laboratory to do some of these basic experiments in macaques and stuff. 02:04:27.659 --> 02:04:43.087 We don't know to what extent they could supercharge a patient like, let's say, Sohomish County man to essentially then just have somebody, you know, oh, yeah, here, this is the sample from the patient. 02:04:43.127 --> 02:04:46.169 And then they put that in and now they have, you know, a few, 02:04:47.918 --> 02:04:54.822 maybe a few grams of that pure DNA now that they say that they derived from the patient, but they didn't, they just swapped one vial with another. 02:04:54.862 --> 02:05:01.246 And now the CDC carries this off and they have enough of that pure DNA to essentially send this clone anywhere they want to. 02:05:01.826 --> 02:05:17.596 And as long as people apply the clone to Vero6 cells, they'll get a known result that they can use to recapitulate these disease states in animals or these seroprevalent changes in animals or these, you know, assays in cell culture. 02:05:19.042 --> 02:05:35.755 And so it's a really interesting touchdown that the no virus people have never made, which is just a semantic one, which is most or all of RNA virology is based on transformation and transfection of cell cultures or animals with synthetic DNA or RNA. 02:05:37.676 --> 02:05:41.079 You don't have to say that there's no viruses, viruses don't exist. 02:05:41.139 --> 02:05:45.382 If you can explain that the methodology that they use is this methodology, and that's really it. 02:05:46.889 --> 02:05:52.674 It would be so easy because then even a virologist who thought that they knew what they were doing, if they were to just check and say, oh, you know what? 02:05:54.076 --> 02:06:03.885 I've actually all my life been using stuff that I've ordered out of this catalog, which is essentially just DNA that I've been putting on this cell culture and passaging three times. 02:06:04.505 --> 02:06:08.409 And then whatever comes out at the end, I've been calling my viral starting point, which is 02:06:10.461 --> 02:06:11.782 Jonathan Cooley's not wrong. 02:06:11.842 --> 02:06:15.384 That's just me transfecting a cell culture and passaging three times. 02:06:15.484 --> 02:06:16.004 Wow. 02:06:16.684 --> 02:06:18.766 Have I been fooling myself this whole time? 02:06:19.346 --> 02:06:27.390 Since cells can't do something they don't already do, then I'm just transfecting a cell and a cell's repackaging and copying stuff and repackaging and copying itself. 02:06:27.871 --> 02:06:35.095 And then I'm putting those, the results of that onto a third cell culture and calling it virology. 02:06:35.155 --> 02:06:37.476 And people could come to wake up to that. 02:06:39.005 --> 02:06:42.886 But instead, by opening up with there are no viruses, it's like, well, wait a minute. 02:06:43.026 --> 02:06:44.386 That seems weird. 02:06:46.867 --> 02:06:59.630 I mean, if the idea is there are a bunch of dudes in the sky that are peeing on you, and you're trying to explain that to somebody by opening up with rain isn't real, how are you ever going to get them there? 02:07:03.888 --> 02:07:13.035 And that's really the point we're talking about here is that somebody's pissing on me and telling me it's raining, but you don't want to tell people that they're not, you want to tell people that they're not wet. 02:07:16.658 --> 02:07:23.924 And it's really extraordinary when you see that that no virus thing is exactly, that shtick has been applied exactly like that. 02:07:27.310 --> 02:07:38.997 And he is like a dude who seeded the narrative that we had to pay attention to those people because that argument was so dangerous, but it was also so seductive. 02:07:39.697 --> 02:07:40.478 And they knew it. 02:07:40.558 --> 02:07:43.359 That's why he said his name twice in the beginning of this. 02:07:43.820 --> 02:07:47.282 If you listened to the first five minutes, you would have heard Andy Kaufman's name twice. 02:07:48.042 --> 02:07:49.203 That's not by accident. 02:07:49.774 --> 02:08:05.605 The whole premise of there being no such thing as an infective virus is, you know, you're just at a level of being duped where, should you just avoid this particular bullet through luck? 02:08:06.256 --> 02:08:16.042 If your incredulity, or credulity, I should say, not incredulity, but allows you to- I think it's incredulousness. 02:08:16.963 --> 02:08:20.165 Yeah, whichever way you want to put it. 02:08:20.465 --> 02:08:27.570 To me, if you're thinking that reality is so rubbery and so slippery that you can have 02:08:30.003 --> 02:08:35.328 you can believe the earth to be flat, viruses are not real, and everything is all a conspiracy. 02:08:36.369 --> 02:08:45.277 See, so if you put, we didn't go to the moon in the same bucket as flat earth and in the same bucket as there's no viruses, we don't escape. 02:08:47.459 --> 02:08:49.001 And that's basically what he did there. 02:08:50.066 --> 02:08:55.009 He can put 5G in there too, and now everybody has no useful map to get out anywhere. 02:08:55.029 --> 02:08:58.891 And he's just asking you to ask the wrong questions over and over. 02:08:58.991 --> 02:09:16.882 If you're thinking that reality is so rubbery and so slippery that you can believe the earth to be flat, viruses are not real, and everything is all a conspiracy, then there's not going to be much hope for you with respect to navigating 02:09:19.721 --> 02:09:22.042 As a Kelvin fan at first, but he's not to be frank. 02:09:22.723 --> 02:09:32.767 Well, like I say he very said Andy Kaufman's name again Dr. Cowen, so he's another sort of no virus individual and I 02:09:34.777 --> 02:10:01.935 And Tom Cowan and now needs an invite and an invitation or what like I mean it's discord earlier and you know, if you can't if you can't even be bothered to do the most cursory of Investigation which is well if you want to start saying that SARS hasn't complied with Cox postulates go and go and check it and don't go being duped by Why is Kevin being a liar and what respect am I being a liar? 02:10:03.976 --> 02:10:06.078 You're who said he was being a liar. 02:10:06.118 --> 02:10:07.879 You see this is so weird. 02:10:08.399 --> 02:10:08.940 He's already. 02:10:09.060 --> 02:10:33.056 Oh my gosh into my discord if you want we'll put that up and the I like and I'll just put a link to my discord and you can you can see where he's put in dr. Thomas Cowan who dr. Thomas Cowan is an individual that believes that the 02:10:35.453 --> 02:10:37.514 the heart doesn't pump blood, okay? 02:10:38.114 --> 02:10:43.456 And there's some other sort of physiology going on. 02:10:43.476 --> 02:10:56.780 And look, I don't have a problem with thinking that biology is an electrical phenomenon first, that the wet biochemistry that we see associated with it is the sort of framework 02:10:57.765 --> 02:11:02.851 that instantiated, but in that respect, you're just in a chicken and the egg, one needs the other, you can't just isolate one. 02:11:03.352 --> 02:11:07.717 And the now let him be let him that it's good. 02:11:07.817 --> 02:11:08.438 It's good to the 02:11:10.066 --> 02:11:14.708 it's good to let them sort of come out into the open, because then you can address the questions. 02:11:14.808 --> 02:11:25.892 And I would say this is probably a bit more informative for the general public than us sort of just bringing up citations for papers, because then that becomes a bit of a sort of technical slog. 02:11:25.992 --> 02:11:34.776 And I'm not sure how useful it is, but like I say, my Discord looks like it's been sort of, 02:11:36.881 --> 02:11:59.238 popping since it's that's what it always tells me so I'm gonna copy his link so this is who as I busted Kaufman one of his main planks had been taken away with respect to saying that viruses aren't real here's one of his second full backs and he wants to rely on and let's say we'll go through the infectious myth 02:12:02.185 --> 02:12:04.826 and we'll copy that link and we'll go through it and we'll start dismantling it. 02:12:05.167 --> 02:12:11.770 And you know, Cox postulates a bit like trying to argue against the law of gravity. 02:12:11.830 --> 02:12:29.660 Now, if you want to come forward with new and exciting models for gravity, and you've done the research and you've done the thinking and the study to sort of come up against breakdowns in the experimental paradigm, and you've got something coherent to say, 02:12:31.621 --> 02:12:34.624 then I'm all ears because I want to hear from people like this. 02:12:35.024 --> 02:12:42.651 People who just watch a YouTube video and do some degree of what they think is due diligence by 02:12:46.671 --> 02:12:46.971 Kizzy. 02:12:47.211 --> 02:12:48.031 I love Kizzy. 02:12:48.131 --> 02:12:49.772 Kizzy sort of hangs around my Discord. 02:12:50.412 --> 02:12:51.253 Oh, you know Kizzy, too? 02:12:51.633 --> 02:12:52.874 Yeah. 02:12:53.174 --> 02:12:54.654 She's very funny. 02:12:54.954 --> 02:12:56.175 Oh, you know Kizzy, too? 02:12:56.235 --> 02:13:02.378 So, okay, I'm going to pause it right here because I understand that we don't need to watch the next two hours that are to come. 02:13:03.438 --> 02:13:04.599 But there's two more hours. 02:13:04.679 --> 02:13:05.699 And this was on the 18th of April. 02:13:09.958 --> 02:13:25.532 Now, I want to show you another video that was recorded on the 20th of April because it's pretty incredible because it's again, Addy and Kevin, and I just want to watch a little bit of it so that you see what's going on here. 02:13:25.632 --> 02:13:33.359 So on the 20th of April, they decided to do another one together, which is kind of strange if you think about it. 02:13:33.379 --> 02:13:36.542 He was just on two days ago for three hours with me. 02:13:37.737 --> 02:13:40.782 And now they're gonna do another one. 02:13:40.822 --> 02:13:48.192 It's almost like they're rehearsing this shtick with an American flag in the back, not that different than Tommy. 02:13:48.933 --> 02:13:50.476 It's almost like they're auditioning. 02:13:52.125 --> 02:13:58.129 It's almost like they're auditioning to see who can rise in this little Peter Thiel, Elon Musk theater. 02:13:58.949 --> 02:14:04.533 And they have a certain shtick that they have to follow, a certain recipe that they've been encouraged to follow. 02:14:05.393 --> 02:14:17.921 And so they're gonna do things together until certain combinations hit it off, like maybe a Goodman and a Cullen or a McCairn and a Cottrell. 02:14:17.981 --> 02:14:20.123 And in this case, maybe it was Webb and Cottrell. 02:14:21.161 --> 02:14:21.761 that won out. 02:14:21.781 --> 02:14:24.242 In the meanwhile, I have to go grab a water. 02:14:24.262 --> 02:14:25.282 Give me a sec. 02:14:25.662 --> 02:14:26.442 Going forward. 02:14:27.362 --> 02:14:29.283 So we are going to be discussing Fauci. 02:14:29.803 --> 02:14:30.663 Yes, that guy. 02:14:31.063 --> 02:14:32.143 So there it is right there. 02:14:32.203 --> 02:14:35.504 Neuroscience, Kyoto University, Japan. 02:14:35.644 --> 02:14:44.546 Even though I showed you earlier in my PowerPoint presentation that we are actually dealing with 02:14:46.803 --> 02:14:53.148 We are actually dealing with somebody who, where did I show that? 02:14:54.829 --> 02:15:00.593 We are dealing with someone who was listed in the 02:15:02.894 --> 02:15:25.323 the life science life site news excuse me on March 4th 2024 already listed as a guy who works for the Korean thing let me see where that is yeah right here a recent video featuring UK based wait what 02:15:26.670 --> 02:15:27.110 Wait, what? 02:15:27.370 --> 02:15:30.712 A recent video featured UK-based, what? 02:15:30.932 --> 02:15:32.732 Excuse me, can you see my arrow? 02:15:32.752 --> 02:15:38.795 A recent video featured UK-based Dr. Kevin McCarran explaining this mechanism. 02:15:38.855 --> 02:15:42.777 McCarran, who first raised the alarm over the dangers of prion disease in 2020, 02:15:45.998 --> 02:15:49.661 is a former neuroscientist at the Korean Brain Research Institute. 02:15:49.681 --> 02:15:55.305 So no mention of Japan at all, actually, which is strange. 02:15:56.066 --> 02:15:59.728 Not necessarily... That's weird. 02:16:00.509 --> 02:16:01.630 I think it's kind of weird. 02:16:02.390 --> 02:16:04.832 Anyway, let's listen. 02:16:05.212 --> 02:16:05.733 You know who it is. 02:16:05.773 --> 02:16:07.294 The usual suspect. 02:16:41.155 --> 02:16:41.855 Come on, Kev. 02:16:42.315 --> 02:16:44.836 I'm going to get back on here and get it a little forward. 02:16:47.417 --> 02:16:48.497 Ingram and News. 02:16:50.678 --> 02:16:51.298 And Dr. McCann. 02:16:52.039 --> 02:17:01.942 I've just been prevaricating about going to sleep for three hours, but I'm glad I didn't, because I think what we're seeing right now is a very substantial move on behalf of, by the president. 02:17:02.304 --> 02:17:02.684 right now. 02:17:02.865 --> 02:17:05.547 And I would add, and I only caught a bit. 02:17:05.627 --> 02:17:08.470 Look at how involved he is in American politics. 02:17:08.550 --> 02:17:20.581 So involved that he's got to do another stream with George Webb, associate Addy ads two days after he did three hours with George Webb, associate Addy ads and Jonathan Cooley from Pittsburgh. 02:17:21.181 --> 02:17:22.621 This is pretty extraordinary. 02:17:23.402 --> 02:17:24.202 So this is April 2020. 02:17:24.262 --> 02:17:33.044 This is three and a half days before Kevin McCarran is going to go on the Vance Crowe podcast and actually say it, you know, get it done. 02:17:34.065 --> 02:17:41.366 Finally get somebody out there who knows what they're talking about because these, these, these, these scrubs that we've got doing it are not doing it very well. 02:17:41.406 --> 02:17:43.647 So he's from Japan, but not anymore. 02:17:43.707 --> 02:17:46.408 Apparently he's UK based according to the LifeSite. 02:17:47.168 --> 02:17:50.350 news article from March 2024, so that's interesting. 02:17:50.770 --> 02:17:58.535 The news transcript, I'm hoping you're going to be able to pull it up, but it sounded to me like he was asking the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Miley, to investigate Mike Fauci. 02:17:58.555 --> 02:18:01.376 Yeah, sorry. 02:18:01.576 --> 02:18:07.920 Mike Miley is after Dr. Fauci, Tony Fauci, so that's potentially very explosive information. 02:18:08.841 --> 02:18:09.861 And you know what I want to do, dude? 02:18:09.881 --> 02:18:12.763 I just want to see if I can fire up my OBS without it breaking anything. 02:18:13.123 --> 02:18:13.924 Let's see if it does. 02:18:14.064 --> 02:18:14.564 If I cut out 02:18:15.094 --> 02:18:16.075 I'll call straight back in. 02:18:16.175 --> 02:18:17.596 Okay, I think we should be fine. 02:18:18.037 --> 02:18:21.900 You know what the best spot is gonna be for this stock is probably Twitter. 02:18:22.780 --> 02:18:33.249 Yeah, but I'm just thinking right now what we do is we just... Oh my gosh, he said it again just like in the last stream within the first five minutes he said the place where this is happening is Twitter. 02:18:33.729 --> 02:18:36.532 Please tell me you saw that and heard it. 02:18:38.120 --> 02:18:39.101 HOLY SHIT! 02:19:12.017 --> 02:19:25.442 Think about how shitty that is in the face of a pending, you know, you're really, you're banking on the fact that you're gonna become famous in the next few years if you're talking shit like that. 02:19:26.122 --> 02:19:26.822 That's weird. 02:19:27.122 --> 02:19:31.684 Kevin W. McCarran, PhD, Kyoto University by way of England. 02:19:32.024 --> 02:19:34.385 He's broadcasting live from Japan right now. 02:19:34.965 --> 02:19:35.625 How do we sound here, Kev? 02:19:36.267 --> 02:19:36.988 We're looking good, dude. 02:19:37.028 --> 02:19:44.371 So I think the first thing to do is let's pin down the actual news, the press briefing by Donald Trump. 02:19:44.752 --> 02:19:47.573 And I saw that it said 5-11 on the timestamp. 02:19:48.474 --> 02:19:50.435 And I guess it's today. 02:19:51.075 --> 02:19:53.676 And everything should be just up with Fauci's name, I would imagine. 02:19:53.756 --> 02:19:54.997 So we need to pull up 02:19:56.540 --> 02:20:13.726 the press conference a recording of it and we need to skip to the relevant parts because well there's there's a number of issues so obviously people are going to be this is this is where you're going to get into more chaos and people are going to keep jumping around and and as much as these sort of the 02:20:16.701 --> 02:20:20.624 people like us that are trying to stream and they're all going to try and get sort of messages out. 02:20:20.824 --> 02:20:27.288 And the thing that I'm worried about is immediately the thing I saw were people that were their 5G proponents. 02:20:27.348 --> 02:20:28.489 Let's just call them that for now. 02:20:28.909 --> 02:20:46.321 And in taking those positions and sort of coming after in a sort of public lynch mob for Fauci is they'll be able to sort of dismiss a lot of the sort of public hysteria about it because these people will be so glommed on to either like the anti-vaccination bandwagon or the anti-5G wagon and the 02:20:47.626 --> 02:20:54.130 uh... that has potential to do so the anti-user dialogue i would imagine i'd like to say it's been a while since i lived in the u.s. 02:20:54.150 --> 02:21:17.024 but uh... i do remember how partisan it was and uh... it seems even more so if you if you ask me right now so uh... i had like that let's let's just call them back for now and uh... in taking those positions and sort of coming after into the public lynch mob for falchi is uh... they'll be able to sort of dismiss a lot of the sort of public hysteria about it because these people will be so glommed onto either the anti-vaccination 02:21:17.404 --> 02:21:37.518 bandwagon or the anti 5g and um the that has potential to just sort of skew the dialogue i would so anti 5g and anti vax are both bandwagons that we shouldn't want people on is a pretty interesting statement to make 2020 april 20th 2020 420 420 april 20th i'm kind of offended they didn't invite me 02:21:46.198 --> 02:21:51.942 imagine, like I said, it's been a while since I lived in the U.S., but I do remember how partisan it was. 02:21:52.403 --> 02:21:55.905 And it seems even more so if you ask me right now. 02:21:56.025 --> 02:21:56.286 So. 02:21:57.026 --> 02:21:57.567 Yeah, I agree. 02:21:57.987 --> 02:21:58.868 So I don't know if you're getting links. 02:21:58.888 --> 02:21:59.608 I'm just trying to. 02:21:59.628 --> 02:22:00.209 Yeah, I am. 02:22:00.789 --> 02:22:01.830 So it was from this morning, right, Doc? 02:22:03.791 --> 02:22:04.071 I don't know. 02:22:04.091 --> 02:22:05.873 I mean, this is this is my morning. 02:22:06.033 --> 02:22:07.794 It's early, early morning for me. 02:22:08.315 --> 02:22:11.077 And I'm on ABC's live stream today that they're doing. 02:22:12.558 --> 02:22:14.419 Oh, I suppose it would be the White House one, right? 02:22:14.439 --> 02:22:15.100 The White House briefing. 02:22:15.460 --> 02:22:15.580 Yeah. 02:22:16.860 --> 02:22:23.062 And so anything that, just looking in, because that's someone, I think it was Babu in my Discord. 02:22:23.082 --> 02:22:27.243 So we were getting a little heated in our discussion, but. 02:22:27.663 --> 02:22:28.583 Let me share my screen. 02:22:28.603 --> 02:22:32.785 Let's see, so there's Addy. 02:22:33.585 --> 02:22:39.027 And like I say, we're both, like I said, I think it should just try and go out to as many people as possible. 02:22:39.247 --> 02:22:43.868 And let me just check my stream. 02:22:44.566 --> 02:22:52.451 And so the words that I saw were that basically a young female reporter had asked the president and apparently they were just discussing it that morning. 02:22:52.471 --> 02:22:59.816 I mean, to me, that's it would be disturbing to me that it had taken this long to sort of percolate up through the 02:23:00.820 --> 02:23:03.962 the systems that, something of this sort of magnitude. 02:23:04.822 --> 02:23:14.627 They didn't take it seriously as the narrative that the guy who doesn't live in America and has no idea how it is anymore, he's now pretty sure that's what's going on. 02:23:14.647 --> 02:23:17.028 And he's telling Addy that when Addy's in America. 02:23:18.249 --> 02:23:22.731 When a couple months later, Addy's gonna be on the courthouse steps of all these different places. 02:23:22.791 --> 02:23:29.415 But right now, Addy's just decided to stream from a closet with a flag behind his back like Tommy. 02:23:30.478 --> 02:23:31.479 It's strange, isn't it? 02:23:31.539 --> 02:23:40.485 Because at some moment he becomes a little bit of a gumshoe and is, you know, doing a George Webb style reporting. 02:23:40.525 --> 02:23:46.129 He even reported once from some conference and got to talk to Robert Malone outside of the conference on a bench. 02:23:48.770 --> 02:23:50.952 Addie Adds did that a couple years ago already. 02:23:53.331 --> 02:23:56.397 A conference that supposedly Steve Kirsch wasn't allowed to go into. 02:23:56.938 --> 02:23:57.279 Or no! 02:23:58.040 --> 02:24:00.385 Sorry, it might have been George Webb who wasn't allowed to go into it. 02:24:00.445 --> 02:24:02.609 I can't even remember anymore all these bullshitters. 02:24:03.311 --> 02:24:04.653 Because they're all on the same team. 02:24:07.159 --> 02:24:32.612 They're all on the same team, which is team worst case scenario, to make sure that the worst case scenario of a lab leak, of an incapacitating agent, of a gain-of-function spike protein, of HIV inserts, of an unusual spherin cleavage site, or a DARPA proposal, all of these things needed curation, needed people to create an illusion of consensus of their significance. 02:24:38.942 --> 02:25:04.082 And Kevin McCarron was one of those people that was put in place early, as was Anakin Skywalker, as was George Webb, as was Richard Fleming, and Jessica Rose, and Stephanie Seneff, and Steve Kirsch, and Robert Malone, and Meryl Nass, and Brett Weinstein, and Eric Weinstein, and Sam Harris, and Joe Rogan, and Jordan Peterson, because this is for all the marbles. 02:25:05.452 --> 02:25:07.474 This is to enslave our grandchildren. 02:25:07.514 --> 02:25:08.755 They're not messing around. 02:25:10.796 --> 02:25:14.400 They put a few more than a few weeks and a few meetings into this. 02:25:18.223 --> 02:25:19.764 Not being on the radar beforehand. 02:25:20.485 --> 02:25:33.215 And I don't know how much of that comes down to Dr. Fauci's ability to sort of keep attention directed where he needs it, to basically just the sluggishness of government in general. 02:25:35.110 --> 02:26:00.332 in my mind, how do we use this situation to our advantage to make sure that people are getting, I think there's a genuine call for justice to be called for, especially if there was a moratorium in place that caused Fauci's department to have the 02:26:01.283 --> 02:26:02.904 research offshore, okay? 02:26:03.204 --> 02:26:08.668 So, I mean, I have... Scooby-Doo narrative, April 20th, 2020, Scooby-Doo narrative. 02:26:08.929 --> 02:26:17.655 I have to presume that somewhere, because we don't know what those papers look like prior to that, and this was the Obama administration that did this, and there's a lot, there's a strong argument for 02:26:22.889 --> 02:26:33.119 So I have to presume that somewhere there was a minutes of a meeting taken where the decision was taken to suspend research in that sphere, and particularly 02:26:34.795 --> 02:26:36.876 research to do with coronaviruses and SARS. 02:26:37.576 --> 02:26:42.559 I think it more instructive to just speak about SARS because coronaviruses are a broad, a very, very broad definition. 02:26:42.579 --> 02:26:43.899 We need to, we need to say SARS. 02:26:44.620 --> 02:26:51.523 And, you know, a brief history and timeline is that in 2002 to 2003 in Dongdong province in China, the first case of SARS arose. 02:26:52.683 --> 02:26:57.545 And I would say that sort of grumbled on for quite, quite some time. 02:26:57.565 --> 02:27:00.787 And I actually think the death toll was, wasn't insignificant and that the 02:27:02.086 --> 02:27:03.066 less than 800. 02:27:03.467 --> 02:27:12.969 And from then, I guess that there was a lot of combined research because we know that I was speaking earlier about the primate research that's been done. 02:27:13.009 --> 02:27:22.591 And so now we know that those viruses were being passaged through primate colonies, whether in China, in the Netherlands and in the U.S. 02:27:22.811 --> 02:27:23.511 I can't speak to the U.S. 02:27:23.531 --> 02:27:23.811 status. 02:27:23.971 --> 02:27:27.852 So now the coronaviruses have been passage in all kinds of primates. 02:27:28.292 --> 02:27:30.253 I would imagine that Fort Detrick must have 02:27:31.294 --> 02:27:31.915 primate colony. 02:27:31.935 --> 02:27:32.976 I would be surprised if they didn't. 02:27:33.356 --> 02:27:34.417 Yeah, I would be surprised as well. 02:27:34.577 --> 02:27:38.841 And that's what you're talking about as it pertains to this testing and SARS specifically, aren't you, Kevin? 02:27:38.901 --> 02:27:40.823 Just the monkey testing in particular. 02:27:41.184 --> 02:27:41.424 Yeah. 02:27:41.464 --> 02:27:49.912 And just to hammer a point home, what you said earlier, so SARS is a coronavirus, but it's coronavirus is a broader general, excuse me, a broader categorization. 02:27:49.932 --> 02:27:50.613 Is that accurate to say? 02:27:50.953 --> 02:27:51.133 Yes. 02:27:51.453 --> 02:27:51.934 Yeah. 02:27:51.954 --> 02:27:55.798 So SARS is the more specific categorization of viruses. 02:27:56.454 --> 02:27:56.934 Yeah. 02:27:56.954 --> 02:28:07.239 So you can have, so, uh, and like I say, I'm not a virologist, so any virologist that are listening to this and catch this stream, um, should, uh, um, please forgive me. 02:28:08.080 --> 02:28:21.927 I would love it if we could have watched the other video for longer, because at some point in that stream, he actually says that Jay's got a lot more experience than I do with using viruses, because I'm really just an in vivo guy and a behavioral guy and electrophysiologist. 02:28:23.247 --> 02:28:24.308 It's actually brilliant. 02:28:27.339 --> 02:28:52.029 your discipline but you know coronaviruses were known for a long time just to be associated with colds and flu and the I think they were just generally considered benign you know every animal as far as I'm aware they're embedded in their physiology and their ecosystems and you know and for some reason you know and we have to be careful about pointing fingers here because as much as the Fauci 02:28:53.874 --> 02:28:58.657 vouchers of this world may be going to get what's coming to them. 02:28:59.017 --> 02:29:03.360 The thing to keep in mind is that the Chinese did this as well. 02:29:03.720 --> 02:29:03.880 Right. 02:29:03.920 --> 02:29:05.481 We're not we're not alone in. 02:29:08.943 --> 02:29:09.664 No one's blameless. 02:29:09.844 --> 02:29:10.024 Right. 02:29:10.084 --> 02:29:16.267 But because of the amount of people that could be harmed by a central position that needs to be looked at by now. 02:29:16.448 --> 02:29:16.848 And you know what. 02:29:18.089 --> 02:29:31.186 What I'm worried about is you're going to get the anti-vaxxers and the 5G weirdos jumping in and inhibiting us from being able to... There's a funny picture put in my... 02:29:32.935 --> 02:29:40.197 The anti-vaxxers, the anti-vaxxers and the 5G people are the same pieces of shit. 02:29:40.658 --> 02:29:45.399 He sounds a lot like Sam Harris here, if I'm not mistaken. 02:29:45.699 --> 02:29:54.302 And the, uh, the 5G, the 5G weirdos jumping in, have been speaking about this, uh, this issue and the, uh, 02:29:57.543 --> 02:30:13.756 What I'm worried about is you're going to get the anti-vaxxers and the 5G weirdos jumping in and inhibiting us from being able to... There's a funny picture put in my... Oh, in this one? 02:30:13.936 --> 02:30:15.297 Yeah, I don't know if you can get that on screen. 02:30:15.317 --> 02:30:18.099 But let me just try... Oh, yeah, I can do it. 02:30:18.119 --> 02:30:18.300 Hold on. 02:30:23.010 --> 02:30:25.953 So Addy's gonna put something on the screen for Kevin McCarron. 02:30:25.973 --> 02:30:29.077 It's almost like he's playing the role of Goodman for Kevin McCarron. 02:30:29.097 --> 02:30:34.363 It's like they're trying to find a good working relationship as streamer and talker. 02:30:34.983 --> 02:30:36.345 Change the title of this. 02:30:36.405 --> 02:30:43.493 So, you know, and let us not forget, right, that, okay, it's all right to turn the cannon on ourselves if we think there's a rat. 02:30:45.297 --> 02:30:48.878 And there is, but let's not forget, this was all done hand in hand with China. 02:30:49.078 --> 02:30:54.560 And you know what, I wouldn't put it past the Chinese to just be pissed at them not receiving the funding. 02:30:55.120 --> 02:31:02.822 And, you know, just letting things slip a little so they, who said they don't, that many don't seroconvert, so how does that work with vaccines? 02:31:03.023 --> 02:31:06.924 I don't know, like, this is the thing, I'm against the idea of mass vaccination for things like this. 02:31:08.884 --> 02:31:09.484 It should be used. 02:31:10.745 --> 02:31:11.285 Sorry, what? 02:31:12.902 --> 02:31:17.087 I don't know, like this is the thing, I'm against the idea of mass vaccination for things like this. 02:31:19.029 --> 02:31:20.350 It should be used if necessary. 02:31:20.591 --> 02:31:31.683 So if maybe if you're in some sort of central position, that needs to be looked at very, very carefully right now, because we're already seeing that there's people sort of positioning themselves to make sure that they get this next market. 02:31:31.983 --> 02:31:37.647 OK, and people need to be aware of how how these people work with respect to those markets. 02:31:37.667 --> 02:31:41.890 So, like I said, we've already seen China force its population back to work. 02:31:42.531 --> 02:31:47.735 And we don't know how well they've contained the disease itself. 02:31:48.155 --> 02:31:48.335 Right. 02:31:48.435 --> 02:31:48.595 It's. 02:31:49.076 --> 02:31:49.596 Yeah, we don't. 02:31:49.716 --> 02:31:53.899 And I mean, we know they're lying about their numbers, especially given how many people they have in their country. 02:31:53.919 --> 02:31:53.999 Yeah. 02:31:54.740 --> 02:31:55.560 Over a billion, 1.3 billion, I think. 02:31:56.778 --> 02:31:57.539 It's more, I think. 02:31:57.799 --> 02:31:58.019 Is it? 02:31:58.319 --> 02:31:59.120 Yeah. 02:31:59.360 --> 02:31:59.480 Yeah. 02:31:59.500 --> 02:32:01.542 What is it like where you're at, Kevin, in terms of tourists? 02:32:01.562 --> 02:32:08.507 Because when I lived in Japan, Chinese tourists, I mean, it's just they come all the time and they have a certain reputation, don't they? 02:32:09.268 --> 02:32:10.369 It's collapsed, basically. 02:32:10.609 --> 02:32:17.134 And, you know, you've got your Discord going in the background, I think. 02:32:21.527 --> 02:32:25.529 The Japanese grumble about the Chinese when they're here, and now they're all pissy that they're not here, right? 02:32:26.029 --> 02:32:31.332 And the... Let me just do this title. 02:32:31.492 --> 02:32:32.032 So the Japanese... 02:32:33.704 --> 02:32:43.429 And let's not forget, it wasn't that long ago that pretty much much of the world was on the hook to Hawaii for their 5G infrastructure, right? 02:32:44.690 --> 02:32:49.273 It was the current president who put a standard, but basically, and I don't know how true, right? 02:32:49.433 --> 02:32:50.913 Yeah, right. 02:32:51.374 --> 02:32:51.694 Hoisting? 02:32:52.194 --> 02:32:54.155 Yeah, they've just said, okay, you're done, dude. 02:32:58.919 --> 02:33:01.181 from the bladder to the kidneys, to the lungs, to the brain. 02:33:01.761 --> 02:33:06.445 And, you know, the reason, when you do a grant, right, this is a- People die, millions of people die. 02:33:06.465 --> 02:33:10.107 That you say, look, we've done this, this, this, and then this is our preliminary data. 02:33:10.447 --> 02:33:14.851 If you fund us, we will then- He's talking about preliminary data right here in April, 2020. 02:33:14.931 --> 02:33:20.735 He's setting up the idea that the Diffuse Proposal is a real grant that says they already did experiments. 02:33:20.795 --> 02:33:21.636 I shit you not. 02:33:22.176 --> 02:33:23.377 And I didn't even know it was here. 02:33:23.417 --> 02:33:24.858 I just randomly moved to it. 02:33:24.938 --> 02:33:25.859 Listen carefully. 02:33:26.755 --> 02:33:28.115 he's actually setting it up. 02:33:28.155 --> 02:33:29.876 The bladder to the kidneys, to the lungs, to the brain. 02:33:30.476 --> 02:33:43.460 And, um, you know, the reason that I got into this was because as I watched, uh, measure mentioning anti-vaxxers in the same sentence as people who are 5g conspiracy theorists is more than remarkable. 02:33:44.318 --> 02:33:55.247 It is a sign that he has been a liar from the very beginning and an anti-American meddler, probably working for NATO or for Five Eyes, just like NATO NADs did. 02:33:55.827 --> 02:34:03.774 People being, or supposedly patients coming down with it in China, it was very obvious to me that there was a neural component to the virus. 02:34:04.174 --> 02:34:06.096 And I had a sort of cursory knowledge of there being 02:34:07.737 --> 02:34:08.898 this element to SARS. 02:34:08.918 --> 02:34:11.620 I know there are a number of different neurotrophic viruses. 02:34:12.140 --> 02:34:14.281 The one everyone knows about is rabies. 02:34:14.722 --> 02:34:18.664 And we use rabies in the lab because it's a good tracer for neural networks. 02:34:19.445 --> 02:34:25.008 But even rabies, the handling of it can be done in a BSL2 laboratory. 02:34:25.028 --> 02:34:31.212 So long as you're just using it as the vector for a tracing, you can 02:34:33.226 --> 02:34:50.341 He claims to be the discoverer of the COVID zombie here on, on, and he joined in March of 2020 he joined Twitter and it says that he's followed by truth leaks and investigative journalist, George Webb. 02:34:50.861 --> 02:34:52.102 Holy shit. 02:34:52.442 --> 02:34:58.688 He's only got 173 followers in one of them is investigative journalist, George Webb. 02:35:02.932 --> 02:35:07.256 His pinned tweet is Cameron Seidel, MD. 02:35:08.957 --> 02:35:16.884 Well, I couldn't have done this any better if I would have just fallen face first into the butter when I was hungry for hot pancakes. 02:35:17.445 --> 02:35:18.606 Holy shit. 02:35:19.066 --> 02:35:20.387 You gotta be kidding me. 02:35:23.030 --> 02:35:27.814 Somebody needs to go arrest this guy and bring him back to the United States for charges. 02:35:33.700 --> 02:35:37.122 Charles Rixey went and spent a whole month at this trader's house. 02:35:42.024 --> 02:35:44.605 It says discoverer of the COVID zombie. 02:35:44.725 --> 02:35:46.586 It says joined March, 2020. 02:35:47.507 --> 02:35:55.991 It says he has 173 followers and it says one of them is investigative journalist, George Webb. 02:35:58.450 --> 02:36:00.031 Are you freaking shitting me? 02:36:00.391 --> 02:36:04.414 His pinned tweet, his freaking Kyle Seidel. 02:36:05.694 --> 02:36:08.156 Cameron Kyle Seidel. 02:36:08.876 --> 02:36:10.017 You see that Mark? 02:36:10.737 --> 02:36:18.902 They just put his Twitter up there and his pinned tweet, his Cameron Kyle Seidel MD. 02:36:19.803 --> 02:36:21.304 Holy shit. 02:36:26.704 --> 02:36:37.934 Well, if we haven't hit a home run right now, I don't know what to tell you, but this is the end of, the beginning of the end of these meddlers because they are all one group of anti-American meddlers. 02:36:41.398 --> 02:36:43.359 And they never thought that this would happen. 02:36:43.400 --> 02:36:52.148 They never thought that these things would be able to be tracked through one person's experience with dipshit after dipshit and liar after liar. 02:36:53.720 --> 02:36:55.882 Trying to pretend that they don't know each other. 02:36:56.282 --> 02:36:58.644 That these patterns are just accidental. 02:37:06.470 --> 02:37:08.952 This is extraordinary, my friends. 02:37:09.192 --> 02:37:10.493 Extraordinary. 02:37:11.519 --> 02:37:12.439 I could have missed this. 02:37:12.659 --> 02:37:15.741 It's so much, so many hours of bullshit to look through. 02:37:15.761 --> 02:37:26.024 17 or 18 hours in the last month, Kevin McCarran has put up on his own website to make sure that we don't go back and look at how stupid they were in 2020. 02:37:26.545 --> 02:37:27.885 How obvious they were in 2020. 02:37:28.105 --> 02:37:29.626 Now that we know that 02:37:30.686 --> 02:37:45.537 George Webb was already following him on Twitter and already had collaborated with Anakin Skywalker and already collaborated with Paul Cuttrell and for three years after this would still swear that Paul Cuttrell is the biggest medical hero of all. 02:37:46.118 --> 02:37:55.185 He even burned Mark and I as assholes on a Twitter space and instead declare his loyalty to Paul Cuttrell in 2024. 02:37:57.128 --> 02:38:00.693 Maybe it was 2023, but that's extraordinary because this is 2020. 02:38:01.074 --> 02:38:05.881 That means it's three years of coordinated lying of that group alone. 02:38:06.542 --> 02:38:07.704 Just that one little group. 02:38:08.264 --> 02:38:09.747 How many people did they mess up? 02:38:10.107 --> 02:38:11.850 How many people did they keep off track? 02:38:13.612 --> 02:38:15.193 And how many of those groups are there? 02:38:15.233 --> 02:38:29.223 If you think about Robert Malone and Meryl Nass and Mary Holland and Robert, Jessica Rose and Matt Crawford and all these other people that are all connected behind the scenes, we're all in Steve Kirsch's little steering committee. 02:38:29.243 --> 02:38:30.845 We're all meeting up in Panda. 02:38:31.225 --> 02:38:32.286 Holy shit. 02:38:38.310 --> 02:38:38.570 And you know, 02:38:40.649 --> 02:38:54.553 culturing it and you're not tweaking it to make it sort of better or worse at spreading through the body, then you're, yeah, like I say, a P2 laboratory, most universities will have a P2 laboratory, right? 02:38:54.654 --> 02:38:57.394 And BSL-free is usually the more extra. 02:38:57.514 --> 02:39:01.296 I wasn't even gonna listen to this part because they're talking about BSL laboratories. 02:39:01.356 --> 02:39:06.137 I just happened to click where they showed his Twitter head. 02:39:06.297 --> 02:39:07.257 Did you see that, right? 02:39:07.778 --> 02:39:08.858 That was by accident. 02:39:09.895 --> 02:39:11.176 I didn't even mean to do it. 02:39:11.656 --> 02:39:19.662 It just kind of happened where they showed it, that it's his pinned tweet, his Kyle Seidel, and he joined in March of 2020. 02:39:20.483 --> 02:39:23.846 And these guys have already decided that, you know, Twitter is where this is all happening. 02:39:24.306 --> 02:39:26.207 And Kevin, Kevin McCarran agrees. 02:39:27.448 --> 02:39:29.250 And Kevin McKernan rather agrees. 02:39:29.530 --> 02:39:34.894 Four days after this, on the Vance Crowe podcast, that Twitter is really where this discussion is happening. 02:39:35.885 --> 02:39:41.408 And then four years from now, we're still arguing about whether free speech is being preserved on Twitter or not. 02:39:43.529 --> 02:39:49.311 And you still think that we're having a lot of free will and what hamster wheel we're running in? 02:39:50.392 --> 02:39:52.132 Wow. 02:39:53.133 --> 02:40:00.156 Culturing it and you're not tweaking it to make it sort of better or worse at spreading through the body. 02:40:00.396 --> 02:40:01.057 Then you're, 02:40:02.850 --> 02:40:04.211 Yeah, like I say, a P2 laboratory. 02:40:04.251 --> 02:40:06.412 Most universities will have a P2 laboratory. 02:40:06.572 --> 02:40:07.573 I'm going to leave it right there. 02:40:07.873 --> 02:40:10.194 BSL3 is usually the more extreme end. 02:40:10.414 --> 02:40:15.117 I have a feeling that he's not going to say anything useful here and finding that Twitter head is a great place to end. 02:40:16.257 --> 02:40:17.398 This is just insane. 02:40:18.379 --> 02:40:19.779 I never thought it would be this easy. 02:40:19.819 --> 02:40:22.281 We're still shooting fish in a barrel with no water. 02:40:23.622 --> 02:40:25.484 And these people are liars. 02:40:25.564 --> 02:40:28.347 They are extraordinarily lying. 02:40:29.108 --> 02:40:37.596 And the culmination of this for me has been the bringing together of these two meddlers, the foreigner, 02:40:38.337 --> 02:41:02.897 named Kevin McCairn and the American named Kevin McKernan in a LifeSite News article in March 4th, 2024, and to know that they've been in my timeline since 2020, lying to me about Paul Cuttrell, George Webb, and all the stuff that they know or don't know, so that now, at this stage, they could be brought together in front of the Australian 02:41:03.658 --> 02:41:18.708 public in front of the Australian Health Canada equivalent and be allowed to be elevated as an expert on the level of a Human Genome Project sequencing expert named Kevin McKernan in the same article. 02:41:19.288 --> 02:41:28.474 And they actually use the words how he too attempted to raise concerns over the relation of prion disease with the mechanisms of mRNA treatments. 02:41:29.014 --> 02:41:31.276 I have two different interviews with Kevin McKernan. 02:41:33.584 --> 02:41:35.566 I wonder if he says anything about prions. 02:41:38.928 --> 02:41:40.970 Ladies and gentlemen, these people are traitors. 02:41:41.991 --> 02:41:46.595 The Americans are traitors and the, sorry, I got to get rid of that sign. 02:41:47.616 --> 02:41:55.082 And the rest are foreign meddlers trying to assist in the controlled demolition of America. 02:41:55.402 --> 02:41:56.623 And we cannot allow it. 02:41:56.663 --> 02:41:58.204 You've got to break free of them. 02:41:59.786 --> 02:42:03.209 You've got to break free of these people because they are lying to us. 02:42:03.269 --> 02:42:11.736 Kevin McKernan and Kevin McCairn have been lying to us since early 2020, probably in concert, probably coordinated by Robert Malone himself. 02:42:12.917 --> 02:42:19.543 Robert Malone may be the DITRA guy that's working for the DOD and doing this Psy war that he says you'll never figure out because 02:42:20.223 --> 02:42:27.188 5th Generation Warfare is so crazy that they play their forward-facing commercial every time they give a speech about it. 02:42:27.269 --> 02:42:34.314 This guy is 5th Generation Warfare, and lying about how he's related to all these other people is 5th Generation Warfare. 02:42:34.794 --> 02:42:42.340 And CHD pretending to be a good organization but actually being sabotaged at the top is part of the 5th Generation Warfare. 02:42:42.740 --> 02:42:50.203 and putting these people in front of Congress and thinking that that's supposed to represent progress toward the truth is also fifth-generation warfare. 02:42:50.543 --> 02:43:01.588 And putting me on a podcast with them and pretending that they're listening to me for an hour is also fifth-generation warfare, especially when all those people agree to lie to someone like Byron Bridle about it. 02:43:01.648 --> 02:43:06.330 It's also fifth-generation warfare, and it doesn't matter whether these people know they're participating or not. 02:43:06.750 --> 02:43:09.973 They are performing the same thing that this guy warned could be done. 02:43:10.393 --> 02:43:15.497 Coordinated groups of liars lying about the relationship they have with each other and we are all screwed. 02:43:16.918 --> 02:43:18.439 That's what you see happening here. 02:43:18.539 --> 02:43:26.165 This is as close to the truth as anybody's bothered to get and that includes those people up there who could have gotten us here closer a lot faster than they did. 02:43:30.083 --> 02:43:33.945 We don't need to fear free-range RNA molecules. 02:43:33.985 --> 02:43:37.106 We need to fear the coordinated lies of these people. 02:43:38.586 --> 02:43:40.707 The coordinated lies of these people. 02:43:41.587 --> 02:43:45.149 The coordinated lies of these people is what we have to fear. 02:43:47.739 --> 02:43:56.547 Because their coordinated lies constitute a limited spectrum of debate that we are all trapped in and that we are being coerced into giving to our children. 02:43:57.408 --> 02:43:58.909 We cannot allow this to happen. 02:43:59.130 --> 02:44:00.231 We must stop it. 02:44:01.572 --> 02:44:05.576 Escape out of here and end this show because we've got too many slides there. 02:44:05.596 --> 02:44:06.537 I was back up in there. 02:44:06.577 --> 02:44:07.778 I thought I was in a different place. 02:44:08.291 --> 02:44:15.057 I thought I was right here, actually, and I only had a few slides, but these are the people, and they are coordinating the lie to us. 02:44:15.097 --> 02:44:28.508 They are hiding that fact by pretending that they haven't been doing it since the very, very beginning, that they came together by random, never to acknowledge any of the basic sacred biology we could have been to already a long, long time ago. 02:44:30.189 --> 02:44:36.014 Certainly there was enough momentum after the release of the movie Vax that we could have gotten to this point, but we didn't. 02:44:37.278 --> 02:44:39.420 And it was by design, it was by sabotage. 02:44:39.480 --> 02:44:45.104 Ladies and gentlemen, intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb. 02:44:46.145 --> 02:44:50.068 Transfection in healthy humans is criminally negligent and RNA cannot pandemic. 02:44:50.768 --> 02:44:56.813 I'm gonna go on a Zoom meeting with a group of people from Canada or wherever they're from, if that guy is still in the chat. 02:44:58.575 --> 02:44:59.896 Send me a link and I'll show up. 02:45:00.696 --> 02:45:02.137 I'm gonna go get a drink of water. 02:45:02.718 --> 02:45:05.000 Like I said, stop transfection in healthy humans. 02:45:05.930 --> 02:45:07.492 They're trying to eliminate the control group. 02:45:07.552 --> 02:45:10.274 If you liked it, please share the work. 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