WEBVTT 00:05.103 --> 00:08.805 I have to tell you that I'm more interested in substance than slogans. 00:09.265 --> 00:12.187 I'm getting a little lost in the MAGA, the MAHA. 00:12.267 --> 00:13.167 Now there's AHA. 00:13.587 --> 00:14.948 I don't know where we're going with this. 00:15.388 --> 00:16.949 I want to talk about the substance. 00:17.569 --> 00:24.012 And in this case, something very personal to me is the issue of addiction and mental health. 00:24.513 --> 00:27.494 And I know what you care deeply about these issues. 00:28.034 --> 00:32.997 I know you have been honest about your own recovery, your own struggle with addiction. 00:33.657 --> 00:39.460 In my family, my middle son Harry is now 12 and a half years in recovery from opioid addiction. 00:39.900 --> 00:40.741 It was a long road. 00:41.221 --> 00:42.302 It was a hard road. 00:42.702 --> 00:48.525 In active addiction, you know how difficult it is and it's difficult to bring a family member back. 00:48.945 --> 00:50.286 I give Harry great credit. 00:50.566 --> 00:52.907 He now works in the area of addiction. 00:53.568 --> 00:58.230 That's why I'm very, very worried about what is going on with SAMHSA. 00:58.871 --> 01:03.274 If you take a look at the data, the numbers, we were getting somewhere. 01:03.775 --> 01:09.939 Two years ago, three years ago, we were losing 110,000 people a year to overdose. 01:11.060 --> 01:12.061 That's 300 people a day. 01:12.741 --> 01:16.864 I call that a jetliner a day of souls crashing to this country. 01:17.525 --> 01:24.670 Just last year, the second half of 23 and the first half of 24, 12 months, that number went down 27%. 01:27.679 --> 01:29.360 81,000 deaths of overdose. 01:29.841 --> 01:31.802 Don't let me minimize 81,000 deaths. 01:31.982 --> 01:34.504 That's still 220 people a day. 01:34.884 --> 01:39.287 Today, tomorrow, yesterday, 365 days a year. 01:39.967 --> 01:44.230 But a 27% reduction in overdose deaths in this country? 01:45.170 --> 01:48.732 Overdose is still stealing a generation in this country. 01:49.373 --> 01:52.855 So why in God's name are we shuttering SAMHSA? 01:54.379 --> 01:56.361 We are not shuddering, Samson. 01:56.661 --> 02:01.864 I share your concerns and I'm anxious to work with you on this problem. 02:02.425 --> 02:03.766 I'm fully committed to it. 02:04.847 --> 02:09.009 Because of my own history, I lost a brother to overdose. 02:09.110 --> 02:11.811 I lost one of my nieces during the pandemic to overdose. 02:12.652 --> 02:15.614 Like every family in this country has somebody that was lost. 02:16.655 --> 02:20.297 As you point out, we were losing, I think, two years, three years ago, 106,000 American kids. 02:23.849 --> 02:29.752 It's double the number that we lost during the 20 year Vietnam War and we ought to be applying. 02:32.994 --> 02:37.416 I think he said 106,000 kids, which gosh, darn it. 02:37.636 --> 02:39.277 I don't, I don't know if that's accurate. 02:39.297 --> 02:44.080 I don't have all these numbers, but I'm sure he's going to fumble the ball here and it's frustrating. 02:44.100 --> 02:46.341 I'm very, very, very, very sorry about that. 02:47.819 --> 02:50.480 Why the cuts to SAMHSA and why are you shifting? 02:50.540 --> 02:52.721 We're not, we are not shuttering SAMHSA. 02:52.761 --> 02:55.122 We are still running 500 addiction centers. 02:55.502 --> 03:03.845 You've already cut SAMHSA and the budget proposal is to shutter it and shift it to an AHA program, which I don't know what AHA means. 03:03.885 --> 03:07.407 To shift it to the Administration for Healthy America. 03:09.019 --> 03:17.465 We're shifting a lot of the chronic disease programs out of CDC into a center that will address chronic disease. 03:17.825 --> 03:22.569 And you and I agree that overdose is a public health epidemic in this country. 03:22.789 --> 03:23.109 Yes. 03:23.830 --> 03:33.176 And why would we, when we are finally seeing some success, bury that success, put it in an AHA program, which, by the way, logically doesn't make any sense. 03:33.497 --> 03:37.720 We have to now rehire people and figure out what their roles will be within AHA. 03:38.430 --> 03:39.711 Why wouldn't we analyze? 03:39.831 --> 03:52.616 I would also point out, I guess Mark would agree with me, hi Mark in the chat, that the deaths going down doesn't mean that the opioids are ruining any fewer lives. 03:54.809 --> 04:02.991 Just like when deaths from gunshot wounds go down in Chicago, that doesn't mean that guns are being fired less or people are being shot less. 04:03.512 --> 04:07.473 It can just mean that the ER is getting better and better at treating gunshot wounds. 04:08.033 --> 04:20.556 And in this case, if you're putting Narcan in everybody's purse so that people don't die of acute overdose, I guess you're kind of reducing that number, but I don't really know if that's 04:21.761 --> 04:23.162 If that's a use, I don't know. 04:23.422 --> 04:24.382 You know, see what I'm saying? 04:24.402 --> 04:26.543 I'm just kind of pessimistic about this whole argument. 04:26.883 --> 04:34.546 The data that shows we just saved 20 plus thousand lives in the course of one year. 04:35.007 --> 04:36.367 This matters in my district. 04:36.667 --> 04:41.229 I have buried way too many kids to overdose, to fentanyl poisoning, by the way. 04:41.249 --> 04:41.950 You don't have to be an addict. 04:41.970 --> 04:42.610 This was like this week. 04:42.650 --> 04:43.650 You can just be poisoned. 04:43.690 --> 04:44.951 Yesterday or the day before. 04:45.311 --> 04:48.775 Why in God's name are this this administration wants to shutter it? 04:49.056 --> 04:50.998 We know that and shift it into aha. 04:52.389 --> 04:53.230 Why would you do that? 04:53.350 --> 04:54.370 They don't want to shutter. 04:54.430 --> 05:00.315 What we want to do is we want to shift that function into a place where we're going to be able to administrate it more efficiently. 05:00.455 --> 05:01.716 And that's all. 05:01.916 --> 05:03.217 What analysis was done? 05:03.257 --> 05:09.301 Can you show us the study that led you to the decision, shutter SAMHSA, shift it. 05:09.481 --> 05:14.104 We call that shift and shaft in my old days as an appropriator in Pennsylvania. 05:14.425 --> 05:17.427 Shift it over here, throw it in a block grant program, and good luck. 05:17.967 --> 05:30.279 What's the analysis that you did that said whatever SAMHSA was doing with harm reduction, by the way, with making naloxone available, with training for naloxone, I literally carry this with me every day. 05:30.579 --> 05:36.685 I want to normalize the life-saving capacity of naloxone and you guys want to bury it in AHA. 05:37.279 --> 05:40.280 Oh, we want to provide Naloxone, Narcon. 05:40.340 --> 05:42.881 We want to make sure that addicts have every option. 05:42.921 --> 05:44.282 You're eliminating the training for that. 05:44.322 --> 05:51.024 Suboxone to methadone and to 12-step programs to inpatient, outpatient. 05:51.224 --> 05:53.485 You're zeroing them out. 05:53.525 --> 05:55.746 We run 500 addiction centers. 05:55.826 --> 05:57.386 We're not going to stop doing that. 05:57.646 --> 05:59.067 My agency will still do it. 06:00.488 --> 06:06.633 It's shifting to a subdivision where we can operate it more efficiently with other chronic diseases. 06:07.033 --> 06:11.397 But do you realize that- CDC is going to do infectious disease, which is why we created it. 06:13.799 --> 06:20.805 How can he really be doing any of this if he spends all of his time talking to cameras or standing behind Trump while Trump talks to cameras? 06:20.945 --> 06:21.486 It's just- 06:23.004 --> 06:29.225 I mean, obviously now, given where we are in America, I want to be very clear with my messaging. 06:29.365 --> 06:30.005 I'm afraid. 06:30.025 --> 06:36.807 I'm, I'm afraid in a, in a adult, mature and realistic way. 06:37.027 --> 06:49.709 I'm worried that our country is somehow, you know, like the, the cruise ship is going way too fast into the Harbor and everybody is arguing about the, 06:51.437 --> 07:06.125 the lack of top shelf whiskey on the fourth floor bar, and about the ruckus that's being created in the pool, instead of worrying about what's going on with the ship as a whole. 07:07.466 --> 07:13.810 And this show, as it gets more and more malevolent, really starts to eat at me. 07:14.070 --> 07:20.554 And I'm sure it eats at you, but the most important thing to understand is that it is designed 07:21.929 --> 07:22.669 to eat at us. 07:24.350 --> 07:33.735 And the trick is, can we understand it correctly so that it motivates us in the right way, that it points us in the right direction, that it suggests the correct actions? 07:34.775 --> 07:43.759 Because if we interpret this in the way that the militarized social media and our skillful use of it would like us to, then we will 07:45.908 --> 07:47.849 We will panic ourselves into a trap. 07:47.929 --> 08:11.675 I don't know exactly what the trap is I'm not going to call it some kind of digital prison because I think that's a That's a that's a myth the real prison is the acceptance of social media as as The new norm as the new way to like we didn't already like email didn't already work And so we're 08:12.771 --> 08:16.533 and, and, you know, having your own website and maintaining your own website. 08:16.553 --> 08:19.075 These are all things that worked just fine. 08:20.255 --> 08:23.397 And now we are, we are surrendering our consciousness. 08:23.457 --> 08:28.220 And more importantly, we are surrendering our children's consciousness to social media programs. 08:28.300 --> 08:37.445 And that is incredibly dangerous because again, remember what's really happening there is we are allowing our use of language 08:38.320 --> 08:45.846 and infinite examples of it to be produced and given to an AI, if you want to call it that. 08:45.886 --> 08:51.771 But it's really just a machine learning algorithm that can see patterns that we can't, identify patterns that we can't. 08:51.791 --> 08:59.777 I shouldn't say it can see, but it can be used to identify patterns in language that when put together, 09:02.421 --> 09:05.343 can mimic human speech. 09:05.583 --> 09:07.985 And that's not magical. 09:08.045 --> 09:13.949 That's just the application of computing power already to a solved problem. 09:15.790 --> 09:30.721 And this transition that's happening where computers are gonna start to produce more and more of this language, and we're gonna have to understand that, that language can be weaponized against us because language is not as complicated as we imagine it to be. 09:32.777 --> 09:55.667 And so if you are not sufficiently adept at using the correct word at the correct time and aware of how the misuse of words can be weaponized and has been weaponized against all of us since we were kids, 09:56.957 --> 10:07.205 then you won't really be able to see how malevolent it is on social media where this has taken on a couple layers of acting, couple layers of actors. 10:08.666 --> 10:23.658 Now instead of, if you have one principled Tom Brokaw who has authority to choose his staff and he chooses principled people, then it's gonna be pretty hard for you to get Tom Brokaw to read fake stories. 10:24.870 --> 10:30.013 unless you produce them, unless you make them happen and provide the characters. 10:31.414 --> 10:51.748 And so on social media, unfortunately, our use of it provides the opportunity for a government or a military or a private weaponized pile of money to provide you with bad guys and good guys, opinions and crazy people 10:53.058 --> 11:18.413 and even provides the means by which a malevolent actor, a person with ulterior motives could use a combination of messages to create an illusion that you would never be able to see through because the default assumption when you pick up your phone and you open up one of these apps is that you're getting a representation of your follower list. 11:20.154 --> 11:20.935 And that's not true. 11:22.409 --> 11:23.630 It's absolutely not true. 11:23.670 --> 11:38.821 What you're getting is a representation of the theater that this social media, i.e., weaponized military social control suite, is giving you. 11:39.581 --> 11:46.766 And if they want you to be concerned about Israel today, because there was a bomb that exploded in 11:48.197 --> 11:50.979 some capital city, then they'll tell you all about it. 11:51.139 --> 11:54.041 And all kinds of personalities will tell you about it. 11:54.081 --> 11:57.783 And all kinds of personalities will tell you that they're also concerned about it. 11:59.224 --> 12:07.630 Just like on some days on this media, you can see a lot of TikTok videos with AI, and sometimes you see none. 12:08.530 --> 12:15.155 Sometimes you see the same kind of video, like babies was it the other day, baby AI videos. 12:16.656 --> 12:19.379 And everybody was sharing one funny one or another one. 12:19.439 --> 12:23.164 I think even Nicole Shanahan shared one the other day. 12:25.567 --> 12:35.719 And so if you think about that phenomenon happening on a platform like X, and because you scroll through it for 20 minutes, and so that means you see, what, 100 posts? 12:38.267 --> 12:40.228 They already understand very well. 12:40.288 --> 12:42.809 Number one, how to keep you on there as long as possible. 12:43.169 --> 12:45.210 Number two, how many ads you'll tolerate. 12:45.290 --> 12:46.771 Number three, how fast you read. 12:47.331 --> 12:51.613 Number four, whether or not you look at boobs or not. 12:51.653 --> 12:52.753 They know all those things. 12:53.413 --> 12:54.874 And they've known it for a long time. 12:54.914 --> 12:57.975 And the more that you've used it, the more that they've learned about all of us. 12:59.916 --> 13:02.237 And as I've come to understand this, 13:03.658 --> 13:21.277 Malevolent platform more and more I've come to understand it as a place also where people are paid to to pretend You know to be a certain character and a lot of anonymous people there are paid to be certain characters and maybe paid to be several characters and 13:22.205 --> 13:33.891 Those pictures that they show you of a bunch of phones on a rack with one or two Chinese people working that, what they're showing you that for is for you to imagine, oh, the Chinese are very wicked. 13:34.411 --> 13:37.653 Would they make a bunch of fake accounts and then try to control their people? 13:38.553 --> 13:41.995 But of course we know that Britain and America would do that just as well. 13:42.515 --> 13:44.997 That's why they blame it on the Russians or the Chinese. 13:46.277 --> 13:49.279 And so the trick is to understand that 13:50.723 --> 14:07.980 maybe a lot like and this is important maybe a lot like how Epstein and the story of Epstein was likely a story maybe with some reality in it that was a homegrown um 14:10.066 --> 14:18.939 Operation they want you to believe it's you know Mossad or something like that, but just imagine that the United States Had some kind of you know safe 14:23.277 --> 14:26.539 safe sort of, you know, compromise or operation. 14:27.300 --> 14:32.563 So that, you know, if you're going to do this kind of stuff, you're going to do it with Jeffrey Epstein and all these clowns. 14:33.283 --> 14:42.469 And at least then you'll be doing it with other Americans and under the supervision of the FBI and not under the supervision of, you know, whatever the KGB or MI6 or whatever they're called. 14:43.990 --> 14:44.090 And 14:45.427 --> 15:03.272 maybe just maybe that's that's what you have here with regard to social media is it gives it gives a sort of you know private provided option for governments to potentially control the opinion of the masses you almost can kind of sell it to them 15:04.121 --> 15:10.446 You know, you could almost see maybe even that that's exactly what Elon Musk is doing all around the world. 15:11.046 --> 15:15.629 That's why he's paying all of these people to keep saying that on X and on X, I post this. 15:15.669 --> 15:20.133 That's why Nicole Shanahan, who some, Mark enlightened me. 15:20.753 --> 15:25.096 You know, I was just kind of casually commenting yesterday on, wow, I'm just going crazy here. 15:26.277 --> 15:29.480 Casually commenting on Nicole's, I don't know how much she's worth, but 15:30.240 --> 15:34.704 I guess I kind of forgot that she was married to the guy that created Google. 15:34.744 --> 15:41.551 Google's worth like, you know, I don't know, 10 or 100 times more than a pharmaceutical company's worth. 15:43.032 --> 15:46.976 Like, so we're talking about Pfizer wanting to make all this money. 15:47.016 --> 15:51.940 But I mean, there are companies that are orders of magnitude larger than Pfizer. 15:53.582 --> 15:53.682 And 15:54.246 --> 16:04.694 potentially worth more because they are selling their services, can sell their services to the highest bidders around the world, the largest weaponized piles of money around the world. 16:06.035 --> 16:10.398 And I don't think we can underestimate how much of that is central to what's going on here. 16:12.099 --> 16:16.582 And while we're arguing about fluoride in the water or Froot Loops, 16:18.444 --> 16:28.409 And, you know, Pfizer, these people are operating companies on orders of magnitude larger than that with objectives that are much bigger. 16:29.830 --> 16:32.191 And that is controlling how people know things. 16:33.252 --> 16:34.172 Absolutely it is. 16:34.733 --> 16:41.256 It is more or less, I think, creating an electronic alternate reality that they can flip on a dime. 16:41.477 --> 16:45.379 It may already basically exist in the form of the internet as we use it. 16:46.260 --> 16:57.224 And unless we get decentralized in a serious way, unless we start really building and taking over this infrastructure in a decentralized way, we really may be in trouble. 16:57.344 --> 17:09.408 I don't even know as a, I'm not a computer engineer, so I don't even know if building a decentralized internet of peer tubes and soap boxes will even solve the problem if in the end all those servers can be turned off too. 17:10.419 --> 17:16.865 All of those websites can just be erased or IP not found or whatever it is. 17:20.468 --> 17:21.489 Something is wrong. 17:22.372 --> 17:24.873 And they are running out the clock with this theater. 17:25.033 --> 17:26.314 This is a theater. 17:26.874 --> 17:29.876 It is a big show that we're supposed to get engaged with. 17:29.936 --> 17:32.457 We're supposed to wave the waitress over and get more drinks. 17:32.537 --> 17:37.279 And we're supposed to not want this to stop because our guy's on stage. 17:37.739 --> 17:38.700 He's finally there. 17:38.760 --> 17:41.381 We got him on stage and now he's going to do something, right? 17:44.881 --> 17:53.228 It's very, very, very, very, very important to understand how crucial a time point in American history I think this is. 17:53.708 --> 17:55.490 You've got to change your perspective. 17:58.472 --> 18:01.195 You've got to start thinking in longer time horizons. 18:01.995 --> 18:10.602 You've got to think about planting trees under whose shade you will not shelter by trying to get our kids out of this trap. 18:11.203 --> 18:13.685 And it is a very, very, very deep, 18:14.611 --> 18:22.576 multi-layered trap, but it is essentially constructed of people who have a spectacular commitment to lying. 18:23.737 --> 18:24.538 It's that simple. 18:25.218 --> 18:27.640 They have decided not to look behind the curtain, 18:28.914 --> 18:37.621 If you want to use that analogy to say what he's and Donald Trump are doing with respect to Israel, you could say that. 18:37.721 --> 18:45.127 But honestly, I don't know enough about what's going on in Israel to know if what's going on in Israel is going on. 18:47.396 --> 18:56.182 I don't wanna say anything that'll make anybody mad, but I just wanna say that most people only know what they see on social media. 18:56.262 --> 19:06.588 And it is possible, however unlikely, that they clear everybody out all the time, all the time, all the time, before they bomb things. 19:07.909 --> 19:14.733 And then they show people and they pay people to do this because they're all trying to create a narrative. 19:14.773 --> 19:15.354 It could be, 19:16.539 --> 19:17.479 And you don't know. 19:18.560 --> 19:23.081 And it's not because I think that that guy on Joe Rogan was right, you have to go there to know. 19:23.882 --> 19:29.304 I'm saying that you don't even know what's going on on the north side of Pittsburgh right now. 19:30.484 --> 19:31.124 I don't either. 19:32.885 --> 19:41.948 And so there's a reason why on our phone and on my phone, there's nothing about the north side of Pittsburgh, but there's always something about Israel. 19:42.728 --> 19:44.049 There's nothing about Egypt. 19:45.503 --> 19:47.004 There's almost nothing about Jordan. 19:48.506 --> 19:51.809 And only recently did I hear that Donald Trump went to Saudi Arabia. 19:51.849 --> 19:53.651 So then there was something about Saudi Arabia. 19:53.691 --> 20:00.457 But most of the time, the only thing I hear about is this, how many ever square miles of relatively poor country. 20:04.724 --> 20:15.707 I mean, what is the biggest GDP and some of the biggest portion of GDP in Israel is pharmaceuticals and research and development in pharmaceuticals. 20:16.767 --> 20:23.889 I don't really understand how that economy works, but it's not amazing. 20:25.730 --> 20:33.432 It's not like a super productive population of people that are paying taxes into a government that has a surplus or something like that. 20:35.956 --> 20:39.217 At least that's what I can glean off of my phone and off of the internet. 20:42.418 --> 20:53.862 The thing about it is that frustrates me the most about this whole, this whole show is that no one on either side can claim to be winning. 20:54.162 --> 20:55.263 And I don't get it. 20:55.383 --> 20:59.444 The only people that can be, that can claim that the Trump 21:01.222 --> 21:06.265 3D chess is working are people that are absolutely positively paid to say that. 21:06.365 --> 21:23.434 No one in a rational, no one with their rational right mind would say that things are going great, that they got what they voted for, that he's doing exactly what I thought he would do, that prices are going down, that I'm so happy with my cheap eggs, that I can't believe that gas went so cheap. 21:25.995 --> 21:27.496 None of these things are happening. 21:30.458 --> 21:33.019 because they were never gonna happen. 21:33.059 --> 21:42.963 They just had to happen under somebody so that the people that were, you see, they got us riled up in a ball and we're just rolling around, but we're rolling in the exact same direction we were before. 21:43.003 --> 21:55.608 And if you see it as a ball and realize that sometimes you're on the bottom and sometimes you're on the top, and these people are just absolutely excited to be part of the people that are pushing the ball. 21:57.438 --> 22:08.467 This giant ball of confused people that's arguing with each other over years about the same thing, you know, like MMR. 22:09.188 --> 22:11.329 And I think we should have separate vaccines. 22:11.450 --> 22:13.391 And Andrew Wakefield's a hero. 22:13.451 --> 22:16.774 And oh my goodness, my son was injured by MMR. 22:16.794 --> 22:17.334 I cured him. 22:17.414 --> 22:20.297 And 25 years later, we're here. 22:23.527 --> 22:34.090 with this guy who basically got where he is because he took a video at the beach of himself swinging on chains with no shirt on and dropping to the floor and doing a few push-ups. 22:35.710 --> 22:44.192 I mean, he certainly didn't get to that chair by putting a dead bear in a bicycle in Central Park as a joke. 22:51.214 --> 22:51.294 I'm 22:53.482 --> 22:54.522 I'm motivated now. 22:54.663 --> 22:56.263 I really feel like it's time. 22:56.623 --> 22:58.884 And I really feel like our kids can win. 22:59.505 --> 23:00.885 Our kids can end this. 23:01.065 --> 23:11.570 Our kids can change fundamentally how people build and think about communities in society. 23:12.410 --> 23:12.990 I really do. 23:13.691 --> 23:15.251 And that's really what needs to happen. 23:15.952 --> 23:18.593 We need to come together under a new 23:20.899 --> 23:30.908 you know, renewed sense of who we are, and who we are as people, and what we want for our children, what we want for our grandkids. 23:31.308 --> 23:35.832 And none of what these people want is what we want. 23:36.612 --> 23:45.220 They pretend, they pretended very well for nearly 10 years straight, I think a lot of these people have been knowing this was coming. 23:46.397 --> 23:49.338 Maybe some of them even expected it to happen a little earlier. 23:49.398 --> 23:52.378 Maybe some of them even expected it to happen in 2001 or 2002. 23:53.178 --> 23:54.839 I think that's actually possible. 23:55.479 --> 23:58.380 Some of them thought it was going to happen in 2008 and it didn't. 24:00.520 --> 24:02.980 And now that it's happening now, they're so excited. 24:03.041 --> 24:04.181 All the signs are there. 24:05.001 --> 24:07.822 Everything I was told was going to happen is happening. 24:07.862 --> 24:11.902 So that's why I'm putting all my eggs in the basket of these people. 24:11.962 --> 24:13.983 That's what these people are thinking. 24:14.123 --> 24:14.723 I know it. 24:18.214 --> 24:21.536 It's a really, really pivotal moment in American history. 24:21.756 --> 24:22.696 I can't believe it. 24:23.436 --> 24:31.040 How excited I am about how of a pivotal moment in history this is. 24:31.460 --> 24:35.702 And I think that by really learning 24:38.536 --> 24:52.299 a different interpretation of basic biology and realizing, realizing that the anti-vax movement, the fake health freedom movement made no progress since its inception whenever that was. 24:53.260 --> 25:03.822 And that all the players that are in the upper echelon of that movement now, including Del Bigtree and Robert Malone and Meryl Nass and Mary Holland, 25:04.738 --> 25:09.885 and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and Pierre Kory, and Peter McCullough. 25:11.087 --> 25:15.432 These people are all there because they accepted the script in 2020. 25:17.996 --> 25:22.382 Wittingly or unwittingly, or under duress or not, they accepted the script. 25:24.133 --> 25:30.197 if it was because they were read into a national security operation and somebody said, well, if you don't do it, someone else is going to do it. 25:30.237 --> 25:31.218 We really need your help. 25:31.258 --> 25:33.079 This is a national security priority. 25:33.720 --> 25:35.101 And then they got in over their head. 25:35.161 --> 25:38.944 They still didn't have the principles they should have had. 25:39.384 --> 25:47.210 And they still don't have the principles that they should have now, knowing what they obviously know now, which is that they were lied to. 25:48.049 --> 26:01.985 that it was just murder, that it was just a anticipated rise in all-cause mortality seen in the population pyramid for decades, because even Ted Turner talked about it on TNT. 26:03.006 --> 26:06.490 I think he talked about it with Carl Sagan even. 26:08.720 --> 26:14.402 The one child policy in China created an inverted population pyramid in China too. 26:14.442 --> 26:20.323 They have this exact same problem that the rest of the West has, and maybe even more exacerbated in China. 26:24.124 --> 26:26.905 That's why we don't need as many elementary schools as we have. 26:26.985 --> 26:29.686 We won't need as many universities as we have right now. 26:29.746 --> 26:32.687 And so people are all scrambling for seats on a sinking ship. 26:37.958 --> 26:59.451 And I think that once you can see on that longer time horizon, then you can also see why fumbling the ball for a few years with opioids and fumbling the ball for a few years with carfentanil on the streets and other drugs would be a one real easy way to create a bunch of excess death all across the board. 27:00.456 --> 27:09.078 And then also, you know, put a bunch of people in place and tell a nice story about public health and how public health is a reason all the time. 27:09.138 --> 27:12.098 And virology is a science that you'll never understand. 27:12.158 --> 27:19.100 And intramuscular injection is absolutely the best way to administer medicine. 27:21.580 --> 27:22.921 And that's what this is really about. 27:23.761 --> 27:27.842 It's about turning your grandchildren into experimental farm animals. 27:27.882 --> 27:28.562 That's all it is. 27:30.919 --> 27:34.902 Because there will never be this much genetic diversity available on Earth again. 27:35.522 --> 27:36.242 And they know that. 27:37.863 --> 27:44.588 So it's a multigenerational, species-wide priority. 27:46.309 --> 28:00.018 Like, don't screw this up, says great-great-grandfather to great-great-grandson, who's thinking about his great-great-grandsons as being princes of the Earth generations from now. 28:01.423 --> 28:28.381 always destined to rule because you know it's the survival of the wisest okay i probably just ruined the beginning of this i probably should stop the video and start again but i won't i'll do the introduction now thanks for being here let's listen to a tune that i have no i have no reason to justify um i i 28:29.804 --> 28:31.445 I forgot I had another tune to play. 28:31.465 --> 28:31.605 Sorry. 28:31.625 --> 28:36.106 I was gonna make a joke, but it's not a joke Actually, I have a really good song to play and it's got a really good story. 28:36.146 --> 28:36.966 I forgot about that. 28:37.046 --> 28:37.267 Nice. 28:37.287 --> 28:44.509 Okay, here we go I don't care how you get there. 28:44.529 --> 28:55.413 I don't care what you do to get there The goal is to win What time is it 32:50.049 --> 32:51.070 The End 33:22.156 --> 33:23.717 Okay, let's start this thing right. 33:23.737 --> 33:24.677 Good morning, everybody. 33:24.737 --> 33:25.437 Welcome to the show. 33:25.457 --> 33:30.599 This is GigaOM Biological, a high-resistance, low-noise information brief brought to you by a biologist. 33:31.319 --> 33:33.060 That biologist is Jonathan Cooley. 33:33.080 --> 33:36.101 I come to you live from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the back of my garage. 33:36.121 --> 33:42.743 You can find the work that I did at the University of Pittsburgh, as well as in Norway and in the Netherlands at the 33:44.544 --> 33:48.789 Sorry, National Library of Medicine website PubMed. 33:48.949 --> 34:03.964 You can also find some of my work and commentary and some of my ideas in the Wuhan cover-up, A Terrifying Bioweapons Arms Race, a book by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., now the Health and Human Services Secretary of the United States of America. 34:03.984 --> 34:06.127 I'm also a good friend of Jay Bhattacharya, although 34:06.707 --> 34:11.868 Darn seems to have lost my number since he got at the head of the NIH, but I forgive him. 34:12.789 --> 34:21.851 And I also was a staff scientist at Children's Health Defense under Brian Hooker before Mary Holland fired me for talking too much about Robert Malone. 34:23.211 --> 34:28.353 Anyway, this is the show that's also misrepresented on this sub stack called Woodhouse 76. 34:29.733 --> 34:36.415 This is a sort of conglomeration creation under the moniker Jessica Hockett. 34:37.555 --> 34:54.400 This is an American apparently from Chicago, but she collaborates with Nick Hudson and Jonathan Engler on this little work where they then have fake arguments with the geneticist Claire Craig and the respiratory enthusiast 34:55.880 --> 35:12.027 opioid expert Pierre Cory, Mike Eden, the retired pharma guy who doesn't know how biologics are made, and of course Jay Bhattacharya, the head of NIH, who ever since the last barbecue we were at, he seems to have lost my number. 35:12.167 --> 35:14.568 Anyway, there's my new little 35:15.208 --> 35:16.968 My little icon there. 35:16.988 --> 35:21.049 I don't think we're gonna call him Chief Woohoo anymore, but anyway. 35:21.870 --> 35:22.770 Welcome to the show. 35:23.250 --> 35:24.710 This is GigaOM Biological. 35:24.750 --> 35:27.351 We do stream to stream.gigaom.bio. 35:27.391 --> 35:29.571 I'm not so sure how playback goes there. 35:30.172 --> 35:32.672 I was having a little problem with it on my iPad this morning. 35:32.712 --> 35:43.655 So if you've got any feedback about my own websites there, gigaom.bio or stream.gigaom.bio, please give it to me because if I need to invest a little more money in a better server or something like that, I will. 35:44.675 --> 35:53.365 And finally add yourself to that list and my wife will send you an email and alert you to the fact that I'm going live. 35:53.966 --> 36:01.634 So yesterday and the day before we have been covering the topic of what is autism really? 36:02.415 --> 36:04.777 And we've been bouncing around from current 36:05.632 --> 36:16.176 thought leaders in America back to a 1968 proceedings of an Indiana University colloquium on infantile autism. 36:16.597 --> 36:31.723 And there seemed to be some striking differences between, number one, the relative frequency of finding it in children in the 60s and 70s was much lower, of course, and agreed upon 36:32.796 --> 36:46.685 an agreed upon pattern by both the current purveyors of this mythology, as I call it, autism spectrum disorder, and what I think is reality. 36:48.840 --> 36:53.824 I think they're telling us a story because intramuscular injection is not medicine. 36:53.844 --> 36:57.848 I think they're telling us a story that RNA can do things that it cannot. 36:57.908 --> 37:07.196 I think they're telling us a story so that we will allow our kids to essentially be subjects to transfection in the future. 37:07.276 --> 37:12.140 And I think that the population pyramid is a real problem that all of these people, wittingly or unwittingly, 37:12.680 --> 37:26.389 have omitted from their explanation of what happened when in reality this is a primary mover for why the murder and lies needed to be where they were, in what age groups, etc. 37:29.611 --> 37:35.942 And so again, just trying to, you know, stay on the ball, keep summarizing things every day, but also stay focused. 37:36.002 --> 37:39.788 And so let me just make sure I know which one is coming here. 37:40.870 --> 37:42.132 Oh yeah, we're gonna do that first. 37:42.813 --> 37:43.734 Am I gonna do that first? 37:44.454 --> 37:44.614 Yeah. 37:45.354 --> 37:49.056 So I really think this is short introduction. 37:49.116 --> 37:51.456 Oh, look, JC on a bike was timed out by Risa. 37:51.656 --> 37:53.277 Oh, time out, JC on a bike. 37:53.597 --> 37:58.539 Although this is no laughing matter, of course, somebody like ZDogg thinks it's a laughing matter. 37:58.579 --> 38:00.919 He's fine with dressing up as Doc Darth Vader. 38:00.959 --> 38:11.243 He's fine with making jokes with this dude for many, many, many podcasts for many, many, many years, lining him up to be taken into this Maha movement. 38:11.843 --> 38:16.147 that everybody insists is the biggest movement on earth, but it's a joke. 38:16.307 --> 38:22.013 It's only a big movement because X says it is, because on X it's made to look like that, but it's not. 38:23.114 --> 38:35.446 And that's what I find remarkable, is I think if you just look at how these people use podcasts on YouTube, Rumble, Rockfin, Locals, to create the illusion that Maha is big, 38:37.039 --> 38:50.822 You know, put the camera below the people, don't show the crowd, put in fake clapping, anything you need to do to make things look like it is as big as whatever Trump was doing, or a part of it, or adding to it. 38:51.803 --> 39:06.046 And that illusion now is stuck on the conservative side, and quite frankly, stuck on the liberal side, or whatever the other side is called, because they also kind of see it on social media as, wow, these people all are really crazy. 39:07.119 --> 39:10.682 and they have agreed with each other on these podcasts. 39:10.762 --> 39:12.503 And wow, they really are all crazy. 39:14.364 --> 39:19.888 And so this is a very, very dangerous place that this fake health freedom movement has brought us. 39:20.949 --> 39:27.574 And it's people like Brett Weinstein and his very naive wife are part of it. 39:27.634 --> 39:34.079 Because in 2021, I already had taught them that the PCR can't be as specific as they say. 39:35.205 --> 39:42.607 So they're misconstruing a background with spread and that transfection would cause autoimmune, it would be devastating. 39:42.687 --> 39:45.408 So I don't know how they're going to do it, but do not do it. 39:46.248 --> 39:47.349 And they shouldn't do it. 39:47.449 --> 39:48.409 And it's inappropriate. 39:48.449 --> 39:53.010 And I wrote a review that's on my website at the link Scooby. 39:53.050 --> 39:58.472 And that review supposedly is the whole reason why Brett Weinstein called me in the first place. 39:59.994 --> 40:09.807 And that review already said, lab leak, it already said, you know, the virus will evolve into more dangerous viruses if we transfect people to this protein. 40:09.848 --> 40:10.969 So I was totally in. 40:11.758 --> 40:17.119 and totally understood what Geert van den Bosch was saying and what Marek's disease in chickens meant. 40:17.939 --> 40:19.680 But I was right about one thing. 40:20.180 --> 40:32.143 These are transfections and they should have always been called transfections because then everybody would just understand that they're not special, they're not investigational vaccines, they're not worthy of a Nobel Prize. 40:32.523 --> 40:37.884 We've been using them on our bench in plants and in animals for decades. 40:39.207 --> 40:39.647 actually J.J. 40:39.727 --> 40:46.370 Cooey's insistence, and I think he's right, on calling them transfections rather than vaccines. 40:47.190 --> 40:59.835 And so that is really absolutely remarkable because I can tell a story like that about him, about him, about him, about, well, he's a good guy, about these guys, about all these people. 40:59.875 --> 41:00.915 They all know me. 41:00.955 --> 41:02.456 They've all had contact with me. 41:02.476 --> 41:06.037 They've all either been afraid or attempted to befriend me. 41:08.106 --> 41:29.829 and then disappeared, and then not published my podcast, and then had Sasha Latupova on three times afterward, or then instead went on to promote Jessica Hockett and Nick Hudson, or argue with Jiki Leaks instead of promoting GigaOM Biological, just some American family in Pittsburgh trying to fight for the truth. 41:33.399 --> 41:44.924 And imagine that somebody like Mary Holland would get somebody like me on her team, a biologist that could teach that all intramuscular injections don't make sense, and she fired me because I was talking about this guy. 41:48.886 --> 41:49.326 This guy. 41:49.346 --> 41:50.227 Who is this guy? 41:50.847 --> 41:59.191 How is it possible that a subsect of America thinks that this dude is some kind of emu-raising, horse-breeding patriot? 42:02.230 --> 42:14.114 How is it possible that this traitor, whose family has allegiances not to America, but to the crown, is not on a list somewhere? 42:16.315 --> 42:19.556 And instead, these people are behind this man. 42:19.716 --> 42:21.596 They are behind this man. 42:23.017 --> 42:29.159 And I make that accusation with authority, knowing what it might do for my five, 42:30.390 --> 42:36.275 my five member family, knowing what kind of position that puts us in, but I don't know what else to say. 42:36.295 --> 42:38.957 No one else can say it. 42:43.700 --> 42:45.502 And so I feel obliged to do so. 42:47.372 --> 43:00.458 I feel obliged to say that something is going drastically wrong, and that's why Kevin McKernan and Jessica Rose were in front of a Senate hearing with Ron Johnson a couple, three times, and not me. 43:03.139 --> 43:13.124 That's why it's very dangerous that these guys are getting multiple books published by Skyhorse Publishing, you know, the brilliant Tony Lyons. 43:16.809 --> 43:29.512 And I can't stress enough, it is not by accident that in 2008, Sky Horse publishes a book with an epilogue that suggests that an independent candidate named Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 43:30.072 --> 43:31.972 could help someone get to the White House. 43:32.072 --> 43:35.913 And then that someone could get shot in 2008. 43:36.473 --> 43:41.574 And then two years later, a book by Andrew Wakefield 43:42.907 --> 43:50.716 not a book by Heather Frazier, not a book by Brian Hooker, a book by Andrew Wakefield. 43:55.781 --> 44:03.490 Then in 2012, they did another book by Andrew Wakefield, not a book by Heather Frazier, not a book by, you know, 44:05.936 --> 44:17.605 Paul Thomas about unvaccinated kids or a book by Brandy Vaughn about unvaccinated kids or a book by Brian Hooker about unvaccinated, no, no, another book by Andrew Wakefield. 44:21.187 --> 44:32.696 Then in 2016, they published a book not with Brian Hooker, no, not with Brandy Vaughn, no, no, not with James Lyons Weiler. 44:35.353 --> 44:38.334 The guy who called it COVID like Robert Malone in 2020. 44:38.554 --> 44:43.035 The guy who knew about the fear and cleavage site before anybody else on the internet. 44:44.216 --> 44:52.098 The guy who in 2019 was saying that vaccine preventable diseases circulate asymptomatically among the vaccinated. 44:55.039 --> 45:00.201 Essentially setting up the narrative in the anti-vax movement in America 45:01.570 --> 45:04.831 that there is asymptomatic spreading of viruses everywhere. 45:05.171 --> 45:09.593 And so it will be plausible, not only plausible, but obvious that COVID could do that too. 45:10.073 --> 45:27.039 SARS-CoV-2, you know, the one that he was an expert on and staged that ridiculous thing in Pittsburgh where he stepped up to a podium and pretended to be talking to a large crowd when he was actually in the parking lot of a historic hotel that just happened to have a, you know, a really big covering. 45:28.598 --> 45:31.299 a concrete building above it that it could echo like that. 45:31.579 --> 45:33.119 Oh my gosh. 45:36.400 --> 45:56.765 Robert F. Kennedy Jr., this guy, in like, what, April or March, was promoting Judy Mikovits, who descends from the same collection of mentors that Robert Malone descends from, the same collection of mentors that all these AIDS-believing retrovirus people 45:58.160 --> 46:06.693 Robert Malone thought that there would be a geneticist in every hospital using retroviruses to cure genetic diseases in 10 years when he was a postdoc. 46:07.695 --> 46:09.438 That's the kind of clown he is. 46:16.798 --> 46:21.504 So it's been a long strange trip to realize that I'm one of the few people who can actually figure it out. 46:21.985 --> 46:29.115 But I honestly, hearing Brian Hooker say what he said in 2013 on a recording really hit me in the head. 46:29.615 --> 46:31.297 Because this recording reveals 46:32.299 --> 46:35.161 that Brian Hooker is part of this. 46:35.381 --> 46:42.427 It reveals that every interaction that I had with him at CHD was kind of pretending not to know what I was talking about with transfection. 46:42.447 --> 46:51.575 We should do a podcast about that because, I don't know, I only have 16 years experience transforming and transfecting plants to make medicine. 46:51.715 --> 46:53.597 I won't mention that to you, Jay. 46:55.550 --> 46:58.233 A condition that we will not call autism. 46:58.373 --> 46:59.934 I don't like the word autism. 47:00.835 --> 47:01.876 He was vaccine damaged. 47:02.237 --> 47:03.658 He was neurologically damaged. 47:04.419 --> 47:07.101 A condition that we will not call autism. 47:07.262 --> 47:08.803 I don't like the word autism. 47:09.704 --> 47:10.725 He was vaccine damaged. 47:13.174 --> 47:14.255 And so that's why we're here. 47:14.295 --> 47:23.139 One thing I am confident of, from everything I've read, is that this RNA exists, you can capture it, you can sequence it, you can move it to other cells and recapitulate disease. 47:23.179 --> 47:31.644 But one thing I am confident of, from everything I've read, is that this RNA exists, you can capture it, you can sequence it, you can move it to other cells and recapitulate disease. 47:32.589 --> 47:36.871 So I know I promise not to do my introduction all the time, but I'm doing it today. 47:38.492 --> 47:46.836 That's Kevin McKernan saying that there is an RNA, you can find it, you can sequence it, you can move it around in cell culture and recapitulate disease. 47:46.876 --> 47:50.718 That's him just testifying that there is a novel virus that killed billions of people. 47:51.179 --> 47:53.380 It might be gain of function and therefore it could come again. 47:54.471 --> 47:55.912 It's just a statement of faith. 47:56.853 --> 48:03.597 And it's no different than when we see that recording of David Baltimore and he says, yeah, but didn't Gallo isolate it? 48:03.637 --> 48:04.678 So then why don't you ask him? 48:04.698 --> 48:06.098 This is just textbook stuff. 48:08.200 --> 48:11.542 Textbook stuff is the reason we are here. 48:12.102 --> 48:13.283 Textbook bullshit. 48:14.184 --> 48:15.905 And we need to come to terms with that. 48:16.789 --> 48:20.733 that the biology that we were taught in high school and college, it's wrong. 48:20.833 --> 48:22.114 It's essentially wrong. 48:22.194 --> 48:28.680 It's not that those chemicals don't exist or those proteins don't exist or those ion channels don't exist. 48:28.780 --> 48:38.569 It's that the interpretation of what those observations imply about the foundational principles underlying the pattern integrity. 48:39.995 --> 48:53.448 And they want you to believe that genes mean that evolution occurred and that evolution is a process that we should try to take hold of and control of. 48:54.529 --> 49:02.656 And even Joshua Lederberg down here, Joshua Lederberg already knew that this was ridiculous because how could we take control of a 49:04.813 --> 49:13.398 a written plan when we don't understand how the written plan is implemented over time and whether we have optimized that implementation or not. 49:13.458 --> 49:25.065 Maybe we should first work on figuring out how to optimize the development of a human before we start messing with the code of how development occurs when we don't even understand it. 49:25.506 --> 49:32.230 You see, I think Joshua Lederberg was much smarter than he's given credit for and a lot of times just to make sure 49:33.030 --> 49:35.472 I guess they had to keep him in these circles. 49:35.513 --> 49:36.513 They had to ask him in. 49:36.554 --> 49:41.538 And I think he was clever enough to know that most of the people in the room were not going to listen to him, even if he did. 49:43.300 --> 49:43.761 I don't know. 49:44.381 --> 49:46.203 It's a very interesting place to be. 49:46.223 --> 49:53.130 I know that I, at this, at knowing what we know now, I wonder what, where Joshua Lederberg would be. 49:53.190 --> 49:55.232 I still think he would be part of the ruling class. 49:56.707 --> 50:03.949 I still think he would be part of this group of people that thinks that, you know, the vast majority of people need to be told what to believe. 50:04.470 --> 50:08.111 And if we tell them the truth, it'll be way too complicated to explain to them. 50:08.171 --> 50:19.134 So we might as well just tell them some, you know, ridiculously simple version of the truth that gets us basically what we want and gives them, you know, a bunch of scary stories to tell their kids. 50:19.635 --> 50:20.815 And then we can get on with this. 50:25.489 --> 50:26.670 And they're all happy to do it. 50:27.251 --> 50:28.512 It just requires lying. 50:28.652 --> 50:31.515 It just requires, you know, surfing on four continents. 50:31.595 --> 50:34.138 It just requires accepting money for your farm. 50:34.178 --> 50:36.781 It just accepting a horse or two. 50:38.002 --> 50:42.026 Just accepting a house on the Atlantic Ocean. 50:42.326 --> 50:43.127 And $10,000 cats. 50:43.187 --> 50:43.608 That's all. 50:43.868 --> 50:44.689 That's all it means. 50:48.005 --> 50:49.266 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 50:49.346 --> 50:53.367 spent the day testifying on Capitol Hill where he faced a grilling as lawmakers. 50:53.547 --> 50:58.129 I want you to see how they can weaponize this against us because this is the problem right here. 50:58.169 --> 51:07.232 Because while we're on the conservative side thinking that autism means, you know, severe vaccine injury, shitting against the wall, headbanging and whatever. 51:08.018 --> 51:14.543 You know, because when I was on Zoom meetings with Brian Hooker, his adult son was walking in the background with a shirt off. 51:14.583 --> 51:23.571 So I guess that means that he's never gonna get better, permanently damaged, like Paula Aitken's son. 51:25.633 --> 51:35.261 And yet PBS NewsHour and the neuroscience community and the psychiatric societies and psychologists 51:37.256 --> 51:40.779 And teachers think a very different thing about autism. 51:40.939 --> 51:50.207 And if this rift in understanding is exploited, there are going to be some pissed off people in the world, some really ridiculously pissed off people in the world. 51:50.628 --> 51:53.931 And they're going to be believing things that are incongruent with one another. 51:54.911 --> 51:56.593 They won't be able to talk to each other. 51:56.633 --> 52:00.817 You see, I can't reason with my parents if they think this. 52:02.415 --> 52:06.817 And my dad was a special ed teacher, so I'm not even sure that he doesn't think this. 52:06.857 --> 52:07.797 He probably does. 52:08.437 --> 52:19.381 And so this revelation of the history of infantile autism and the thinking around it, and the understanding that the definition was so important. 52:21.215 --> 52:27.737 Otherwise they would lose control of even being able to figure it out if they couldn't define it and then agree about it in the same way. 52:28.217 --> 52:33.518 And that has been weaponized in a way that I cannot describe how ugly it is. 52:35.258 --> 52:50.422 To disguise that intramuscular injection is a terrible methodology, to disguise the fact that virology is a hoax of a science, and to describe the fact, to disguise the fact rather that public health is never 52:51.272 --> 52:53.134 a good reason to do anything. 52:54.235 --> 53:08.691 Yet public health right now, as I explained about these lawyers, public health right now, and in this case Robert F. Kennedy Jr., is allowed, an unelected official is allowed to suspend many fundamental rights on a whim. 53:09.632 --> 53:10.252 And a whim in 53:12.162 --> 53:15.444 Legal speak in America is called the rational basis test. 53:15.484 --> 53:17.625 You just have to have a reasonable explanation. 53:17.645 --> 53:20.546 You know, like you heard some stuff, you have a feeling. 53:21.787 --> 53:26.649 I just, I have a feeling something's going to go wrong, so I'm going to declare an emergency and it's totally okay. 53:27.970 --> 53:37.495 And there is a legal principle in American law called strict scrutiny, which means a good explanation, a good set of reasons, and a specific set of reasons. 53:38.306 --> 53:53.114 And if you hold the government to strict scrutiny when suspending fundamental rights, what you do is you essentially require the government to have a very strict list of circumstances and reasons why to justify suspending fundamental rights. 53:53.734 --> 53:58.997 It can't just be because some unelected official has a feather. 54:01.178 --> 54:06.301 It's gotta be a list of reasons, you know, like a thousand people have died in a day or, you know, whatever. 54:07.560 --> 54:12.605 And so this makes the PrEP Act unconstitutional. 54:13.025 --> 54:22.334 And any federal judge could, in theory, if put in the face of the right trial, where, oh, the PrEP Act doesn't allow you to sue. 54:22.374 --> 54:25.957 Well, yeah, it doesn't allow you to sue, but that's a fundamental right. 54:25.997 --> 54:29.741 You can't suspend that without strict scrutiny. 54:29.821 --> 54:33.264 So the law is struck and this would be done. 54:36.764 --> 54:40.006 Aaron Seery must understand that, or he's incompetent. 54:40.906 --> 54:44.388 Mary Holland must understand that, or she's incompetent. 54:44.888 --> 54:49.431 He, as a lawyer, must understand that, or he is essentially incompetent. 54:49.951 --> 55:02.618 And you can take this clip and play it to any lawyer you know, and either they can explain to you why I got the language kinda wrong, or they will explain to you that they also don't know, and therefore you know your friend is incompetent. 55:03.686 --> 55:09.968 Now listen to how awful the PBS NewsHour was with regard to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 55:10.148 --> 55:13.369 and autism just a couple days ago, maybe even yesterday. 55:13.590 --> 55:21.532 It's pressed him on the Trump administration's overhaul of federal health agencies and billions in cuts to the multiple agencies he oversees. 55:21.973 --> 55:31.136 House Democrats in particular raised concerns about whether Kennedy was violating the law in cutting funding appropriated by Congress for medical research this year. 55:31.616 --> 55:33.837 Kennedy said he's streamlining some funds. 55:35.097 --> 55:36.597 Excuse me, but that's BS. 55:36.977 --> 55:39.118 You are not rescaling NIH research. 55:39.178 --> 55:41.838 You are proposing to cut it by $20 billion. 55:42.098 --> 55:53.941 I want my questions answered on are you freezing and withholding funding that Congress- So your programming is so good that the PBS NewsHour is exactly the opposite of what you'd expect to see. 55:53.981 --> 55:57.382 So they show you this lady as a, you know, 55:59.117 --> 56:04.540 sharp and attacking and holding his feet to the fire kind of lady. 56:04.981 --> 56:07.482 And they're going to show Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 56:07.542 --> 56:08.823 as kind of a bumbling idiot. 56:09.003 --> 56:18.929 And it's amazing how a combination of editing and clip choice and setup can use the same clips to create the absolute opposite feeling. 56:19.049 --> 56:22.011 And it is remarkable how good they are at doing it. 56:22.131 --> 56:23.532 And this is not AI 56:24.522 --> 56:32.926 This is just very, very clever decades of advertising work being weaponized against you to control a narrative. 56:33.587 --> 56:37.369 Appropriated in 2025 for life-saving NIH research. 56:39.250 --> 56:43.012 We are not withholding any funding for life-saving research. 56:43.412 --> 56:44.913 Do you commit to following the law? 56:45.620 --> 56:46.061 Of course. 56:46.081 --> 56:54.570 I would just point out, and this is in the chat, Reginald says that PBS viewership is way down as a result of all this. 56:54.630 --> 56:55.711 It's not like it used to be. 56:56.332 --> 57:03.220 That just underscores the potential malevolence of the pivot. 57:04.315 --> 57:25.461 to instead of having something like PBS NewsHour being a news source that everybody pays attention to and holds their feet to the fire from all sides, now we have social media networks that can provide safe bubbles for everybody to think in where they never really have to be challenged like that. 57:25.541 --> 57:28.482 And when they step outside of their bubble, it's so 57:31.863 --> 57:36.486 It's so incongruent with what they understand that they see it clearly as the bubble that it is. 57:36.566 --> 57:39.849 But over here, they're so familiar with it that it feels normal. 57:43.211 --> 57:54.499 Almost like when a city kid comes to Kadat, Wisconsin for Neighbor Days and goes to the carnival in the park and is like, wow, is this lame. 57:55.620 --> 57:57.621 And then you have a beer tent up there and that's it? 57:58.221 --> 57:58.622 That's it? 57:59.382 --> 58:00.183 That's the whole thing? 58:01.328 --> 58:05.170 And a parade on Sunday with only two marching bands? 58:05.210 --> 58:05.830 Are you kidding? 58:06.571 --> 58:06.971 Wow. 58:07.631 --> 58:09.492 I mean, this is kind of sad. 58:10.252 --> 58:22.839 And if you grew up in Kadat, Wisconsin, you would think it was the perfect thing, like Grady in Doc Hollywood, that movie with Michael J. Fox. 58:23.875 --> 58:26.676 It's like this small town versus big city thing. 58:26.756 --> 58:36.060 And then it's crazy how on social media they've created that with the left and the right and a million other little fractions of that. 58:36.721 --> 58:46.745 So that no matter how you attempt to wander outside of your little bubble of discourse, it just feels so alien. 58:47.776 --> 59:09.944 And that's why I think it's really important to watch PBS NewsHour, because you can see how distorted your view is, or our view is, by using X and Instagram and Soapbox and whatever else I use, versus PBS News and MSNBC, or I don't know what else you would do, watch The View. 59:10.504 --> 59:12.985 I mean, remember, there are people who still watch TV. 59:14.522 --> 59:21.350 And it's this transition to people who are watching what they think or treat as TV, but really watching social media. 59:22.211 --> 59:30.040 And that transition is, is putting this power of how people know things. 59:30.520 --> 59:34.465 It's putting that power into other people's hands and that power is worth a lot of money. 59:35.711 --> 59:38.234 That's why Google is valued the way it's valued. 59:38.294 --> 59:45.622 That's why all these companies are valued the way they're valued and much higher than pharmaceutical companies that we're all being told to argue about right now. 59:48.024 --> 59:51.827 I really, I can't stress enough how I really think this is the issue. 59:51.867 --> 01:00:06.018 And so the no sphere that Desjardins is talking about is this network of computers and communication devices that would allow essentially everybody to, to more or less think the same thing. 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:16.447 And how that would help us with the evolution of the species, because it would put all of us on the same page with regard to what we imagined we wanted in the future. 01:00:17.566 --> 01:00:19.047 and how we imagined we'd get there. 01:00:19.727 --> 01:00:21.509 Sounds like a really altruistic goal. 01:00:23.290 --> 01:00:28.013 Could also be a very easy way to get everybody in the world to agree that being a farm animal is great. 01:00:33.076 --> 01:00:34.197 Let's see what they do with this. 01:00:34.257 --> 01:00:35.717 Sorry, I don't know what's going on today. 01:00:35.737 --> 01:00:36.378 I can't shut up. 01:00:36.715 --> 01:00:40.437 fully obligating funding that Congress appropriated. 01:00:41.017 --> 01:00:49.320 We appropriated, it is the law of the land for NIH research, and to obligate those funds by September 30th of this year. 01:00:50.061 --> 01:00:54.943 Or are you planning to break the law by impounding congressionally appropriated funds? 01:00:55.263 --> 01:00:58.264 If you appropriate me the funds, I'm going to spend them. 01:00:59.551 --> 01:01:03.436 Kennedy's approach to the measles outbreak also came under scrutiny. 01:01:03.496 --> 01:01:08.522 He defended the CDC's response, but was pressed by Democrats about his stance on vaccines. 01:01:09.743 --> 01:01:12.386 If you had a child today, would you vaccinate that child for measles? 01:01:12.887 --> 01:01:13.828 For measles? 01:01:13.848 --> 01:01:14.669 Ooh. 01:01:16.544 --> 01:01:24.307 Probably for measles, I, you know, what I would say is my opinions about vaccines are irrelevant. 01:01:25.368 --> 01:01:27.309 I have directed Jay Bhattacharya. 01:01:28.009 --> 01:01:29.289 Sure, no, like I said, I don't want to. 01:01:29.630 --> 01:01:31.330 So that everybody can make that decision. 01:01:31.370 --> 01:01:34.672 But I, you know, I don't want to seem like I'm being evasive. 01:01:34.692 --> 01:01:34.892 Yeah. 01:01:35.732 --> 01:01:39.674 But I don't think people should be taking advice, medical advice from me. 01:01:41.121 --> 01:01:44.342 Kennedy has also been vocal about autism. 01:01:44.402 --> 01:01:45.502 Look at this. 01:01:45.522 --> 01:01:57.145 Don't forget one of the predictions that I've made is that at some point there's going to be an announcement where Brian Hooker will be able to say, Hey, I always knew it was black boys because William Thompson covered up the data about black boys. 01:01:57.845 --> 01:02:01.186 And so it's going to be, there's going to be a racial tint to this too. 01:02:02.506 --> 01:02:05.007 Um, and it's probably bullshit. 01:02:06.247 --> 01:02:06.347 Um, 01:02:08.772 --> 01:02:11.614 It's probably bullshit for a number of reasons. 01:02:13.515 --> 01:02:18.718 It probably more has to do with something physiological, not genetic. 01:02:19.258 --> 01:02:25.422 Unless it's genetic by you mean like less fat, thinner skin, more muscle. 01:02:26.202 --> 01:02:31.305 Okay, so then you're more likely not to do a subcutaneous injection of MMR. 01:02:31.925 --> 01:02:36.248 You're more likely to do an intramuscular injection and so then maybe they are more vulnerable. 01:02:37.250 --> 01:02:41.792 That's one of the things that we're not talking about yet because I'm not sure how this figures in. 01:02:41.832 --> 01:02:46.394 But the MMR shot is one of the few subcutaneous shots on the schedule. 01:02:47.634 --> 01:02:54.337 I almost think it's not by accident that MMR was the shot that they chose in the UK with Wakefield. 01:02:56.598 --> 01:03:00.980 Because they may have even planned to declare 01:03:02.426 --> 01:03:08.111 that subcutaneous vaccination was dangerous and that we should go exclusively intramuscular. 01:03:08.151 --> 01:03:11.614 That may be something that they were intending to do there. 01:03:12.975 --> 01:03:29.589 And the number of papers in the last, let's say 10 years since that originally started in the UK where people are advocating for needle gauge and direct, you know, how long the needle should be for good intramuscular injection without hitting any bones is pretty amazing. 01:03:30.886 --> 01:03:38.716 I don't know who in their right mind thinks to write a paper about how great intermuscular injection is as long as you use the right size needle. 01:03:39.336 --> 01:03:42.380 But apparently, quite a few people thought that that would help their career. 01:03:44.744 --> 01:04:01.634 And so I'm again arguing that the discussion of autism, the definition of autism has been militarized against us to make sure that our children and the parents of the coming generations don't realize that intramuscular injection is an invalid way of administering medicine in any context. 01:04:03.635 --> 01:04:05.957 And we can keep saying that until proven otherwise. 01:04:09.448 --> 01:04:12.691 database to find, as he says, the causes of autism. 01:04:13.211 --> 01:04:18.716 His agenda has won praise from some, including those whose loved ones have severe complications. 01:04:19.137 --> 01:04:25.823 But his rhetoric, others say, fails to accurately portray the variety of people on the spectrum and the contributions they make. 01:04:26.363 --> 01:04:31.827 Our Ali Rogin has our look at how leaders in the autism community are advocating for themselves. 01:04:31.967 --> 01:04:37.872 But let's start with the perspectives of viewers with autism and their caregivers on how they see this moment. 01:04:38.252 --> 01:04:39.433 Here's some of what they told us. 01:04:39.994 --> 01:04:44.017 OK, so remember, we're going to now talk to people with autism. 01:04:46.238 --> 01:04:50.582 So one of these kids could be could be Brian's son, right? 01:04:52.543 --> 01:04:55.525 As far as I understand, Brian's son could not do an interview. 01:04:56.351 --> 01:04:58.333 It could be Paula Aitken's son, right? 01:04:59.334 --> 01:05:04.378 No, as far as I know, her son can't really do interviews like this either. 01:05:05.398 --> 01:05:16.608 But now we're going to hear a bunch of people say that not only are they autistic, but they're pissed that they're going to throw a lot of words at you. 01:05:17.580 --> 01:05:19.221 It's a semantic enchantment. 01:05:19.461 --> 01:05:27.765 And if you don't know the definition of the words or the new words have some weird meaning in your head when you hear them, you'll understand what's going on here. 01:05:28.966 --> 01:05:39.191 It's not that dissimilar to, you know, defining all these different genders and challenging people to learn all these different pronouns under the pretense of accepting them in the first place. 01:05:40.471 --> 01:05:43.873 It's no different than talking about ma-ha-ha-ha-a-ha. 01:05:45.990 --> 01:05:48.891 other than getting everybody listening to accept them in the first place. 01:05:48.951 --> 01:06:01.593 And now on PBS NewsHour, as has been going on for a very long time, because you can see the evidence in 2007 or eight from Jenny McCarthy that she cured her autistic kid. 01:06:03.933 --> 01:06:12.715 But in 2011, in the Los Angeles Times Parade Magazine, autism is a lost generation. 01:06:15.277 --> 01:06:19.959 And Harvard Magazine calls it a devastating disorder in 2008. 01:06:31.524 --> 01:06:36.305 Mind blindness, mind blindness, the understanding autism in 2002. 01:06:36.445 --> 01:06:37.766 I mean, no, this is in 2000. 01:06:42.042 --> 01:06:42.703 Weird, right? 01:06:42.843 --> 01:06:53.390 That autism, the idea of what it was, was being seeded right before, right at the same time that all this ramp up and talk about bioterror. 01:06:55.012 --> 01:07:03.318 Joe Biden is on ABC News saying that, you know, somebody with a little tiny container and talking down to the lady about bioweapons, bioweapons. 01:07:06.158 --> 01:07:09.221 It's a very interesting place we are in in American history. 01:07:09.261 --> 01:07:15.967 If we can see it correctly, I think we can save our grandkids, maybe even save a lot of grandkids around the world. 01:07:17.328 --> 01:07:18.469 My name is Cody Clifford. 01:07:18.610 --> 01:07:20.071 I'm on the autism spectrum. 01:07:20.752 --> 01:07:24.935 As somebody who's late diagnosed, it's a new prospect. 01:07:25.336 --> 01:07:29.740 Autism is not liking fairy ears and fairy wings. 01:07:29.820 --> 01:07:31.522 That's not autism at all. 01:07:32.780 --> 01:07:40.206 for me to be thinking about is how other people see me, how other people are, like, talking about autism issues in the media. 01:07:40.666 --> 01:07:46.810 I'm gonna try not to get too emotional about it, because it is, I think, overall really hurtful. 01:07:46.950 --> 01:07:48.571 My name is Doris Smith. 01:07:49.752 --> 01:07:56.437 I have a son, a 30-year-old son named Jacob, who has been diagnosed with autistic behavior. 01:07:56.677 --> 01:08:00.180 We see the scratching, the biting, the inability to sleep. 01:08:00.660 --> 01:08:05.303 I've got holes in my walls that, you know, I'm tired of doing drywall. 01:08:06.043 --> 01:08:10.746 So does that other girl do drywall damage and stuff? 01:08:11.786 --> 01:08:13.647 That kid couldn't be on camera. 01:08:14.748 --> 01:08:16.909 I mean, do you see the problem we have here? 01:08:16.969 --> 01:08:19.450 Because they're not all the same problem. 01:08:19.510 --> 01:08:21.752 It's not all the same phenomenon. 01:08:21.812 --> 01:08:27.535 But these people have been somehow convinced to tell you that it is all the same phenomenon. 01:08:28.689 --> 01:08:29.850 It's just remarkable. 01:08:30.431 --> 01:08:36.376 We're talking about the human brain and human behavior and human cognition and language skills. 01:08:37.156 --> 01:08:40.599 And, and, and these people are saying it's a spectrum. 01:08:40.619 --> 01:08:51.509 My name is Shamira Chaney and I have three beautiful, beautiful, awesome sons. 01:08:52.128 --> 01:08:54.430 who are all on the autism spectrum. 01:08:54.610 --> 01:08:59.434 I do believe that all of my boys will be contributing members of society. 01:09:00.575 --> 01:09:02.918 They're all on the spectrum. 01:09:04.839 --> 01:09:07.802 I mean, this is crazy shit right here. 01:09:08.983 --> 01:09:11.545 People have been told this. 01:09:11.685 --> 01:09:12.466 She believes it. 01:09:12.506 --> 01:09:13.647 I'm sure she believes it. 01:09:13.667 --> 01:09:17.891 I'm not blaming her, but this is a dangerous place for America to be. 01:09:19.529 --> 01:09:23.271 You know, there was some comments made about, oh, they won't be able to play baseball. 01:09:23.351 --> 01:09:27.994 My son Eli runs track, a gold medalist, may I add, in track. 01:09:28.434 --> 01:09:30.335 He is a basketball player. 01:09:30.736 --> 01:09:33.097 I think he just recently told me I'm signing him up for soccer. 01:09:33.157 --> 01:09:37.640 I'm sorry, but just the boys fits right into Brian Hooker's narrative. 01:09:38.200 --> 01:09:41.802 It fits right into the script that I think Brian Hooker's gonna read at some point. 01:09:42.903 --> 01:09:45.524 Three boys, black boys, it fits perfect. 01:09:45.884 --> 01:09:46.825 I don't know what to tell you. 01:09:49.345 --> 01:09:50.606 and baseball this summer. 01:09:50.666 --> 01:09:52.447 So like he's thriving. 01:09:52.787 --> 01:09:56.009 My name is Michael Wilson and I am neurodivergent. 01:09:56.309 --> 01:09:59.811 First of all, vaccines do not cause no divergence. 01:09:59.851 --> 01:10:01.892 We need to end that myth once and for all. 01:10:02.152 --> 01:10:03.853 I am neurodivergent. 01:10:04.834 --> 01:10:10.377 I can't play stop lying because I don't think he's lying, but he's, he's wrong. 01:10:11.497 --> 01:10:17.601 I mean, neurodivergent is a new word designed to confuse. 01:10:19.580 --> 01:10:36.010 It's designed to bunch a bunch of developmental trajectories gone wrong into one bundle, and then justify spending a bunch of money on that bundle, justify all kinds of remedies for that one bundle. 01:10:36.030 --> 01:10:38.351 And it's all meaningless. 01:10:39.532 --> 01:10:46.936 Because we don't understand how his particular pattern integrity was disrupted when he was younger that resulted in what he calls neurodivergent. 01:10:49.548 --> 01:10:52.029 but let's just pretend for a second that they did. 01:10:52.129 --> 01:11:01.615 The fact that people would rather have a child die from a preventable disease than to have a neurodivergent child, it's just really heartbreaking to me. 01:11:02.075 --> 01:11:09.179 My name is Ciel Kiefer-Neal, and I am autistic, and I've also been diagnosed with ADHD. 01:11:09.559 --> 01:11:19.125 For someone to try and put a cap on our limitations and tell us what we are capable of doing, 01:11:20.143 --> 01:11:22.424 It's insulting, it's dehumanizing. 01:11:23.445 --> 01:11:47.700 All of the language we've heard in the last couple of weeks from RFK Jr., it- She has a tattoo on her clavicle of a clavicle, which as far as I know as a skinny guy and I have a tattoo, I cannot imagine a worse place to choose to tattoo and nevermind the worst shape to choose. 01:11:49.346 --> 01:11:53.551 I'm going to tattoo the shape of my clavicle over my clavicle. 01:11:53.611 --> 01:11:54.493 Isn't this the clavicle? 01:11:54.513 --> 01:11:54.993 I hope it is. 01:11:55.133 --> 01:11:55.694 I'm sorry. 01:11:55.714 --> 01:11:57.196 I'm not an anatomy expert. 01:11:57.797 --> 01:11:58.678 That's remarkable. 01:11:58.738 --> 01:12:02.483 I don't know very many autistic people that could handle getting a tattoo. 01:12:02.543 --> 01:12:05.967 That's... Wow. 01:12:06.668 --> 01:12:07.689 I don't even know what to say. 01:12:11.496 --> 01:12:13.098 Can you play that last guy again? 01:12:13.158 --> 01:12:14.639 I guess I can play the last guy again. 01:12:14.679 --> 01:12:14.879 Yeah. 01:12:15.179 --> 01:12:15.920 It has echoed. 01:12:16.100 --> 01:12:20.645 If you are advocating that I'm up for something, it should. 01:12:20.965 --> 01:12:24.869 But let's just pretend it's Michael Wilson and I am no divergent. 01:12:25.189 --> 01:12:28.692 First of all, vaccines do not cause no divergence. 01:12:28.732 --> 01:12:30.774 We need to end that myth once and for all. 01:12:31.135 --> 01:12:33.617 But let's just pretend for a second that they did. 01:12:33.717 --> 01:12:34.458 The fact that 01:12:34.958 --> 01:12:41.120 people would rather have a child die from a preventable disease and to have a neurodivergent child. 01:12:41.820 --> 01:12:42.360 There you go. 01:12:42.400 --> 01:12:43.400 I didn't, I missed that. 01:12:43.440 --> 01:12:47.362 So the choice is they either die of measles or they're retarded. 01:12:47.882 --> 01:12:54.884 So if you're, you'd rather have a dead kid versus a retarded kid, well, that's pretty lame because I'm retarded. 01:12:55.424 --> 01:12:55.704 It's like, 01:12:57.628 --> 01:13:01.829 I'm sorry, we're going to use that word because that's the only way that this works. 01:13:01.950 --> 01:13:04.630 Like, come on, come on, come on. 01:13:04.690 --> 01:13:05.631 This is silly. 01:13:05.651 --> 01:13:11.553 And we're letting this neurodivergent guy tell us what the trade-offs are? 01:13:11.993 --> 01:13:13.013 Give me a break. 01:13:13.794 --> 01:13:14.154 Wow. 01:13:14.474 --> 01:13:16.114 It's just really heartbreaking to me. 01:13:16.555 --> 01:13:23.657 My name is Ciel Kiefer Nail, and I am autistic, and I've also been diagnosed with ADHD. 01:13:24.197 --> 01:13:26.138 And she reads a shit ton of books. 01:13:27.605 --> 01:13:39.011 For someone to try and put a cap on our limitations and tell us what we are capable of doing, it's insulting. 01:13:39.171 --> 01:13:40.472 It's dehumanizing. 01:13:41.492 --> 01:13:46.115 All of the language we've heard in the last... Sorry, I had to allow that comment. 01:13:46.355 --> 01:13:47.435 Wow, that's crazy. 01:13:47.856 --> 01:13:50.357 A couple of weeks from RFK Jr. 01:13:52.998 --> 01:13:58.339 It has echoes of Nazi Germany and wanting to make a list of us. 01:13:58.699 --> 01:13:59.699 It's frightening. 01:14:00.899 --> 01:14:02.440 He wants to make a list of us. 01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:05.700 Well, Nicole Shanahan wants to make a detailed list. 01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:07.881 She wants the medical records of everybody. 01:14:08.461 --> 01:14:20.363 I think it's really important to consider the possibility that they actually want the medical records of everyone because without the medical records of everyone, then they won't actually have what they need. 01:14:21.872 --> 01:14:24.614 They don't just need a list of people with autism. 01:14:25.334 --> 01:14:30.378 They need a list of people with those problems so that they can remove them from the control group. 01:14:33.860 --> 01:14:34.581 Does that make sense? 01:14:34.961 --> 01:14:37.143 You have to remove those people from the control group. 01:14:41.486 --> 01:14:43.067 And they need the control group too. 01:14:44.167 --> 01:14:47.850 The healthier you are, the more valuable you are as a control group. 01:14:50.066 --> 01:14:52.707 I don't think anybody understands that anymore. 01:14:52.767 --> 01:14:55.629 They may have already collected the data of the control group. 01:14:57.770 --> 01:15:01.251 They may have already all the control data they think they need. 01:15:05.273 --> 01:15:07.354 We're in a very dark place, ladies and gentlemen. 01:15:09.161 --> 01:15:13.662 So many of us are terrified, both for ourselves, for our family members. 01:15:13.682 --> 01:15:15.742 He has certain places he likes to go. 01:15:15.762 --> 01:15:17.803 He's Mr. GPS. 01:15:18.003 --> 01:15:20.663 So we have to go to those places in a certain way. 01:15:21.123 --> 01:15:27.305 God forbid if there's an accident or something is blocked off, then we get a rise in behavior. 01:15:28.385 --> 01:15:34.746 And that rise in behavior can be everything from having a tantrum, to throwing things, to scratching. 01:15:35.441 --> 01:15:41.253 to repeating things over and over again, to even biting in some cases. 01:15:41.714 --> 01:15:42.997 Both of our cars have 01:15:45.121 --> 01:15:46.482 damage on the inside. 01:15:46.562 --> 01:15:53.565 There are so many ways that we could be supporting people with autism rather than focusing our energy on, like, do you see that over there? 01:15:53.625 --> 01:15:55.405 You don't want your kid to be like that. 01:15:55.706 --> 01:16:04.289 See, so that was the argument that Polly Tommy and her daughter made for the first 10 or 12 years of their campaign after their son supposedly got autism. 01:16:04.869 --> 01:16:09.091 They didn't try to warn anybody about how to avoid it or what might have caused it. 01:16:09.171 --> 01:16:11.772 They've spent most of their time trying to raise awareness 01:16:12.742 --> 01:16:18.623 and to create job training programs and to make sure that teachers understood what autism was. 01:16:18.683 --> 01:16:25.684 And in fact, she was in a newspaper claiming that she cured her son's autism with secretin injections with Andrew Wakefield. 01:16:25.744 --> 01:16:39.107 So I don't really understand how it is that she's still a central player at CHD when somebody like Brian Hooker actually has a kid that is permanently damaged, like Paula Aitken has a kid that's permanently damaged. 01:16:39.147 --> 01:16:39.907 Paula Aitken 01:16:40.743 --> 01:16:56.055 is a parent that was in the original group of 12 children in the original Lancet paper that was also featured in this book, Callous Disregard, published by CHD's publisher, Sky Horse Publishing. 01:16:57.156 --> 01:17:01.119 Essentially, CHD is like the front group of this publisher. 01:17:01.179 --> 01:17:01.599 That's it. 01:17:01.759 --> 01:17:03.261 It's just like a joke to me now. 01:17:04.301 --> 01:17:06.063 I feel really just like a used 01:17:07.495 --> 01:17:09.377 used piece of garbage at this point. 01:17:09.817 --> 01:17:10.878 I was such a dupe. 01:17:11.699 --> 01:17:12.340 So duped. 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:14.402 I don't know what the right word, way to say that is. 01:17:14.462 --> 01:17:18.125 How do we research and find out how to never have that happen again? 01:17:18.145 --> 01:17:21.309 That just seems really counterproductive to me. 01:17:21.369 --> 01:17:21.829 My daughter. 01:17:22.089 --> 01:17:22.430 Wow. 01:17:22.510 --> 01:17:26.554 So why spend any time researching how to never have that happen again? 01:17:26.614 --> 01:17:30.758 Instead, we should waste all of our time providing for these people. 01:17:31.894 --> 01:17:32.814 She just said that. 01:17:33.615 --> 01:17:37.636 Why would we waste any time trying to figure out how to make this not happen again? 01:17:37.676 --> 01:17:40.376 We should just try to find ways to deal with these people. 01:17:41.257 --> 01:17:52.820 It seems like very similar actually to what Peter McCullough said the other day with regard to febrile seizures and maybe if we just knew how to treat febrile seizures better that this autism epidemic would go down. 01:17:56.909 --> 01:18:01.053 Let's hear from this mom who's auditioning for future shows. 01:18:01.273 --> 01:18:07.760 Raelynn, she's not on the autism spectrum, but she is just so good with her brothers. 01:18:08.080 --> 01:18:14.146 I overheard a conversation that she was having with her friends and they were like, so, okay, so all your brothers have autism? 01:18:14.206 --> 01:18:15.007 And she's like, yeah. 01:18:15.787 --> 01:18:18.270 And the friends are asking like, oh, so what exactly is it? 01:18:18.567 --> 01:18:20.267 And she's like, they just do things differently. 01:18:20.307 --> 01:18:21.768 They do things their own way. 01:18:22.348 --> 01:18:23.969 And, you know, she spoke about it. 01:18:24.209 --> 01:18:31.511 I would almost be willing to bet dollars to donuts that I could take my daughter to one of those doctors and they would diagnose her as on the spectrum. 01:18:31.631 --> 01:18:35.192 I wonder how many kids can go into their office and not be on the spectrum. 01:18:36.632 --> 01:18:37.972 In such a positive light. 01:18:38.332 --> 01:18:42.014 And so I'm like, if an 11 year old girl can do it, come on. 01:18:42.294 --> 01:18:47.295 What, what the politicians, this administration, like, I need y'all to get it together. 01:18:48.149 --> 01:18:52.171 I am very excited at this initiative by Mr. Kennedy. 01:18:54.552 --> 01:18:56.152 This has been a long time coming. 01:18:57.333 --> 01:19:02.735 We've got a whole generation now going into a second generation that has been lost. 01:19:03.655 --> 01:19:10.118 And if this were any other concern, there would be programs, you know, somebody would be looking into it. 01:19:11.667 --> 01:19:14.248 We're made to accept that these things happen. 01:19:14.448 --> 01:19:14.848 It's genetic. 01:19:14.868 --> 01:19:24.371 You might argue in some ways that the opioid epidemic has been much more recently devastating than the autism epidemic, whatever it is. 01:19:25.931 --> 01:19:27.492 I mean, just to be frank. 01:19:29.852 --> 01:19:33.294 I think the reason why that is is because they use placebo a lot. 01:19:36.595 --> 01:19:40.756 Again, because the goal is to permanently 01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:54.223 put in place public health as a reason, virology and PCR diagnostics as a science, and intramuscular injection as a methodology. 01:19:56.063 --> 01:19:59.724 So these people are not arguing their way out, they're arguing their way in. 01:20:01.104 --> 01:20:05.425 Medics, it's the environment, it's this, it's that, well show us. 01:20:05.525 --> 01:20:07.586 There's research that needs to be done into 01:20:08.854 --> 01:20:15.216 the differences between autistic people and neurotypical people, especially in the way of like health care. 01:20:15.236 --> 01:20:18.937 Because I have noticed that in my own journey, no one's doing research on that kind of stuff. 01:20:18.977 --> 01:20:20.438 And I think they need to be. 01:20:21.458 --> 01:20:24.399 Instead, they're doing research into what causes autism. 01:20:24.559 --> 01:20:31.421 I want neurotypical people to know that neurodivergent people have beautiful, productive, and fulfilling lives. 01:20:32.023 --> 01:20:34.325 Our brains are wired differently. 01:20:34.365 --> 01:20:35.406 We think differently. 01:20:35.446 --> 01:20:36.767 We look at the world differently. 01:20:37.788 --> 01:20:39.029 Our senses are different. 01:20:39.169 --> 01:20:40.810 I mean, that's the big difference. 01:20:41.471 --> 01:20:51.099 And for them to think that we are a problem that needs to be solved, it, no, this is my life. 01:20:51.980 --> 01:20:58.746 And to be looked at this way by society, it's insane. 01:20:59.861 --> 01:21:02.182 for a look at how members of the autism community. 01:21:02.582 --> 01:21:06.044 That is extraordinary. 01:21:08.926 --> 01:21:24.514 Because if my parents think that I'm a wacko because I'm in this book, having worked for Robert F. Kennedy Jr., if they think I'm a wacko because I worked for CHD, and they are basing it on news programs like this, think about that. 01:21:26.395 --> 01:21:27.396 Think about that. 01:21:30.213 --> 01:21:40.635 To see this moment, I'm joined by Zoe Gross, Director of Advocacy at the Autistic Self Advocacy Network, a non-profit organization run by and for autistic individuals. 01:21:40.655 --> 01:21:42.876 Zoe, thank you so much for being here. 01:21:42.896 --> 01:21:44.116 Thank you for having me. 01:21:44.296 --> 01:21:55.358 When you hear those voices, do they represent part of the range of responses that you and your colleagues are hearing from members of the autistic community? 01:21:55.978 --> 01:21:56.478 Absolutely. 01:21:56.559 --> 01:21:59.740 I think people have been really upset by the comments that they've been hearing. 01:22:00.801 --> 01:22:04.343 Things about autistic people not being able to do certain things. 01:22:04.823 --> 01:22:06.804 Talk like autism destroys families. 01:22:07.644 --> 01:22:09.966 No one wants their disability to be stigmatized. 01:22:10.006 --> 01:22:12.567 No one wants to be blamed for things going wrong in their family. 01:22:13.087 --> 01:22:16.530 or in society, it's very distressing to hear that kind of thing. 01:22:16.591 --> 01:22:22.136 And there's a lot of mistrust of the data collection effort that's going to be going forward. 01:22:22.576 --> 01:22:22.916 Yeah. 01:22:23.397 --> 01:22:27.581 And let's take a step back, though, and talk about just what is autism spectrum disorder. 01:22:27.621 --> 01:22:30.363 This is a wide spectrum we're talking about. 01:22:31.324 --> 01:22:31.564 Sure. 01:22:31.644 --> 01:22:35.946 So autism is a disability that we're born with, and it affects us our whole lives. 01:22:36.006 --> 01:22:41.649 It affects how we think, how we move, how we learn, how we see the world, how we process sensory information. 01:22:41.669 --> 01:22:51.013 And that is a very curiously close to exactly the interpretation of infantile autism, but it was an incredibly rare thing. 01:22:51.734 --> 01:22:54.155 They all agreed it was an incredibly rare thing. 01:22:59.884 --> 01:23:12.087 And it had nothing to do with shitting on walls, or headbanging, or screaming, or no sleep, incontinence, violence, biting, nothing of that. 01:23:13.148 --> 01:23:14.468 Self-harm, none of that. 01:23:17.289 --> 01:23:21.310 That's the point you need to see here, and they're not talking about that either. 01:23:22.449 --> 01:23:24.051 They're not talking about SIDS. 01:23:24.431 --> 01:23:34.181 They're not talking about acute neurological damage hours or days after a set of intramuscular injections. 01:23:35.863 --> 01:23:44.212 And they specifically seeded that one guy in there to say, even if it was, I can't believe people would choose between having a retarded kid and a dead kid. 01:23:46.325 --> 01:23:49.768 That's what this message boils down to, and this is by design. 01:23:49.828 --> 01:23:58.195 It is exactly the same script, but it's the other half of the script. 01:23:58.515 --> 01:24:00.397 And this script is designed to rip. 01:24:01.297 --> 01:24:03.279 It's designed to tear America in half. 01:24:04.780 --> 01:24:09.444 This might only be one part of the momentum that could tear America in half. 01:24:09.904 --> 01:24:15.089 If my neighbors are watching this, or my neighbors hear the social media version of this, 01:24:18.997 --> 01:24:25.126 And when we try to have a conversation about autism, and I start with, you know, autism spectrum disorder is kind of a myth. 01:24:25.847 --> 01:24:28.050 They're just going to think right away, stop lying. 01:24:28.470 --> 01:24:30.112 And then I'm lost. 01:24:31.014 --> 01:24:33.958 And that is how effective this military 01:24:35.672 --> 01:24:39.355 industrialized, you know, media control. 01:24:39.915 --> 01:24:41.856 It's bad, ladies and gentlemen. 01:24:41.896 --> 01:24:43.157 They have really got us. 01:24:43.898 --> 01:24:47.660 Because social media is a free-for-all, and mainstream media is gone. 01:24:47.900 --> 01:24:54.304 So, we are in big trouble, and if we acquiesce to letting our kids inherit this system, we're screwed. 01:24:54.745 --> 01:25:05.012 We need people like me, like Joe, like Mark, like anybody that's willing to go out there and speak their mind and try to figure out what's really going on, despite 01:25:05.852 --> 01:25:12.442 the militarized program social control suites that have been deployed on our civilization. 01:25:13.490 --> 01:25:16.452 It affects the way our brains organize information. 01:25:16.472 --> 01:25:19.014 It affects our communication. 01:25:19.074 --> 01:25:22.456 We may not speak or we may speak using scripts or a device. 01:25:23.677 --> 01:25:25.919 It affects the way we socialize with other people. 01:25:25.939 --> 01:25:42.471 I mean, imagine saying that autism can range from a series of awkwardness and from awkwardness and extreme intelligence all the way to incontinence and psychotic behavior and inability to learn at a toddler level. 01:25:44.271 --> 01:25:45.753 And I'm on that spectrum. 01:25:46.774 --> 01:25:49.036 I'm the same as them and I'm the same as them. 01:25:49.717 --> 01:25:51.118 Imagine thinking that. 01:25:52.739 --> 01:25:57.604 That would be like me saying that, you know, being fat is a spectrum and I'm also fat. 01:25:57.764 --> 01:26:01.087 I'm just not as fat as everybody else is, but I'm also fat. 01:26:01.107 --> 01:26:02.829 I got the same fat that you have. 01:26:03.189 --> 01:26:06.192 So I deserve the same amount of sympathy as somebody who's 400 pounds. 01:26:08.206 --> 01:26:11.389 I know that's kind of a weak analogy, but you see my point. 01:26:11.489 --> 01:26:25.260 The spectrum of overweight, the spectrum of autism, this is an absurdity beyond absurd with a lack of specificity that should constantly have a laugh track behind it. 01:26:33.857 --> 01:26:37.762 And that's the point I want to make with the fat versus skinny thing. 01:26:37.822 --> 01:26:41.708 It's a lack of specificity if you say that everybody's on the fat spectrum. 01:26:42.689 --> 01:26:43.670 Everybody's obese. 01:26:44.652 --> 01:26:47.255 Or anyone can potentially be obese. 01:26:47.335 --> 01:26:48.377 It depends how they feel. 01:26:49.571 --> 01:27:03.655 I mean, they have no justification for their classification as on the spectrum, except for some highly unscientific pseudo professional has told them they are. 01:27:05.895 --> 01:27:07.216 That's the remarkable thing. 01:27:07.316 --> 01:27:11.417 And somebody like Nicole Shanahan is arguing for certain 01:27:13.166 --> 01:27:20.873 solutions that include highly technical and specific diagnostic tests, which are glorified genetic screens. 01:27:22.254 --> 01:27:24.576 And here you have the slippery slope. 01:27:24.596 --> 01:27:26.278 Well, I don't want you to make that list. 01:27:26.358 --> 01:27:27.319 I want to make a list. 01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:28.280 Don't make the data. 01:27:28.320 --> 01:27:29.281 Don't collect the data. 01:27:29.341 --> 01:27:30.221 I want the data. 01:27:30.622 --> 01:27:35.166 And we're going to argue and argue and argue and never really identify what's actually happening. 01:27:35.206 --> 01:27:36.067 It's already done. 01:27:36.107 --> 01:27:37.348 They're already collecting it. 01:27:38.766 --> 01:27:43.029 The PCR test allowed them to collect it from everybody that submitted. 01:27:45.271 --> 01:27:46.532 And it's still going on today. 01:27:46.572 --> 01:28:08.469 It's an accepted gold standard diagnostic and that is just... That's one of the biggest jokes on our kids right now is PCR diagnostics being accepted in the medical community as working and valid and real and not just generating a remnant stream that the Human Genome Project is finally technically capable of using. 01:28:09.501 --> 01:28:15.146 And it affects that we may need help day to day with things like dressing, bathing or daily routines. 01:28:16.147 --> 01:28:20.031 Does she need help dressing or bathing or daily routines? 01:28:20.051 --> 01:28:21.652 Does she need help wiping her ass? 01:28:21.692 --> 01:28:27.478 Because I don't understand how she can think she's on the same spectrum as people who do. 01:28:28.199 --> 01:28:29.280 That's fucked up. 01:28:29.480 --> 01:28:32.763 I'm sorry, I got to use that word, but that's really screwed up. 01:28:34.298 --> 01:28:42.385 That is really screwed up if she thinks she's on the same spectrum as Brian Hooker's kid or Paula Aitken's kid, because that's gross. 01:28:45.147 --> 01:28:51.773 And I don't think that it's right that our society has weaponized this idea to the point where these people believe that. 01:28:51.873 --> 01:28:52.914 That's terrible. 01:28:54.725 --> 01:29:01.247 And HHS Secretary Kennedy said recently, and I'm quoting from him now, most cases now are severe. 01:29:01.267 --> 01:29:08.668 25% of the kids who are diagnosed with autism are nonverbal, non-toilet trained, and have other stereotypical features. 01:29:09.209 --> 01:29:13.130 Does that match what your organization tracks on this level? 01:29:13.650 --> 01:29:14.290 And also, 01:29:14.950 --> 01:29:20.211 Does it represent the perception and the experience of some parts of the autism community? 01:29:20.251 --> 01:29:22.732 And I'm wondering if you can speak to that as well. 01:29:23.252 --> 01:29:34.395 So what he's referring to is that the CDC did a study which showed that of all autistic people, 25% either are non-speaking, are minimally speaking, or have a measured IQ that's under 50. 01:29:34.815 --> 01:29:39.256 Now, it's very difficult to measure the IQ of many autistic people reliably, so take all this with a grain of salt. 01:29:41.116 --> 01:29:44.837 It's that group of three different populations that he's grouping together. 01:29:44.917 --> 01:29:50.599 And when he says no one in that group is toilet trained, there's no studies to back that up. 01:29:51.499 --> 01:29:54.540 And to make other generalizations about that group I think would be unwise. 01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:56.401 All we know about them is those three things. 01:29:57.581 --> 01:29:59.142 That is so awful. 01:30:00.583 --> 01:30:03.865 Essentially, what they are doing is the same thing that CHD is doing. 01:30:04.326 --> 01:30:11.330 They're bundling all this together when there are incredibly devastating examples that include dead babies. 01:30:14.152 --> 01:30:29.823 That's the part that autism makes so screwed up, is because if we are right at GigaOM Biological and at Heucytonic ITS and at the Liberty Perspective, and these three guys at least seem to agree with me that intramuscular injection might actually just be dumb. 01:30:32.378 --> 01:30:41.825 then SIDS is the same as a damaged child in the same category of crime. 01:30:42.725 --> 01:30:44.267 Some die, some don't. 01:30:46.368 --> 01:30:58.557 And the fact is, is that when we start talking to these people about autism in this way about autism and start confounding this autism with a bunch of other conditions and developmental trajectories, 01:31:01.226 --> 01:31:15.185 then we really, really, really are being lied to in the most malevolent way possible by people who don't have a damn clue about how the pattern integrity that is your mind and body develops. 01:31:16.824 --> 01:31:18.465 ideally through time. 01:31:18.985 --> 01:31:38.877 And that is an argument that Joshua Lederberg made already a long time ago, that we can't possibly think that understanding the genetic code could yield any useful information if we have no idea how to optimize the development of the pattern integrity from, you know, conception to adult. 01:31:39.892 --> 01:31:47.497 The optimization of that trajectory would be necessarily relevant to understanding what the genome encoded. 01:31:49.619 --> 01:31:55.184 I mean, just imagine the worst case scenario where because we're not eating the right food, none of the men grow horns. 01:31:55.824 --> 01:32:02.350 And if we suddenly ate the right food and did the right exercise from very early on, most men would grow horns. 01:32:02.390 --> 01:32:17.023 Well, that would be a pretty exceptional discovery to find that our genes could change their expression and their trajectory across time just by treating the trajectory across time differently. 01:32:17.972 --> 01:32:21.473 training kids younger at different things or whatever the case may be. 01:32:24.093 --> 01:32:47.338 Now, I understand that that's a little bit of a ridiculous thing, but the subtle differences in the way a child might develop into adult with given one thing or another thing, another one set of circumstances or another, would necessarily be a prerequisite to understanding what potentially could be coded in whatever thing you think you're decoding. 01:32:48.433 --> 01:32:59.381 And as I pointed out many times before, we have never found a hint of coding for how the thing is built and how it is developed across time. 01:32:59.441 --> 01:33:08.207 So understanding that some of this DNA codes for proteins, or at least it seems to, is an elaborate illusion in terms of understanding. 01:33:08.247 --> 01:33:17.234 The implications are not that now evolution is real and we can all go rest assured that scientists in the future are going to crack this puzzle, because that's not the way it is. 01:33:20.365 --> 01:33:29.591 What he's trying to do is to inspire panic and fear and make people very worried about the possibility of autism in their family or just, you know, about autism in society. 01:33:29.951 --> 01:33:31.312 And that doesn't help autistic people. 01:33:31.532 --> 01:33:36.876 We are in a moment where there's a lot of talk about what the government can and should do when it comes to autism. 01:33:37.256 --> 01:33:38.417 So where do you come down on this? 01:33:38.537 --> 01:33:40.918 What should the federal government be doing? 01:33:41.038 --> 01:33:45.001 Where are there more resources needed and where can government 01:33:46.222 --> 01:33:47.383 play a role in your view? 01:33:47.863 --> 01:33:53.909 So one of the biggest ways that the government could help autistic people today is by expanding Medicaid home and community-based services. 01:33:54.389 --> 01:33:56.251 This is a waiver service through Medicaid. 01:33:57.292 --> 01:34:01.295 States are not required to provide it, so when there are cuts to Medicaid, this is the first thing to go. 01:34:01.696 --> 01:34:05.199 But these are the services that help people live their daily lives, help people 01:34:06.480 --> 01:34:16.843 you know, live in the community, do things they need, like transportation, help with daily routines, shopping, cooking, other stuff that means that they can live in their own home instead of in an institution. 01:34:17.244 --> 01:34:26.106 Without these services, either people are forced to go into an institution or someone is forced to leave their job to care for them unpaid, which can really strain many families financially. 01:34:27.167 --> 01:34:31.928 So these are life-saving services, and right now they're on the chopping block. 01:34:32.048 --> 01:34:33.989 One thing the government could do is protect these services. 01:34:34.249 --> 01:34:42.496 A lot of people moved to Pennsylvania because we have a lot more public services dedicated to autistic kids in our school system. 01:34:42.536 --> 01:34:43.516 I know that for sure. 01:34:45.838 --> 01:34:54.125 I see something in the chat from Catherine Organic that micro RNA expressed in waves changing expression through time is where a lot of research is ongoing right now. 01:34:55.044 --> 01:35:10.007 I just want to expand that thought a little bit in the sense of thinking about having reached the limit of what we can really understand from a molecular biological perspective from our previously used models. 01:35:13.208 --> 01:35:15.068 I'm just riffing today, man. 01:35:15.108 --> 01:35:16.289 I don't care anymore. 01:35:16.469 --> 01:35:17.109 I'm just riffing. 01:35:20.487 --> 01:35:27.631 So if you think about evolution and you think about where we are and you just give them that maybe there were animals before us. 01:35:27.872 --> 01:35:30.073 I don't, I don't, I don't want to 01:35:32.298 --> 01:35:32.838 How do I say it? 01:35:32.958 --> 01:35:35.259 I don't want to debate evolution right now. 01:35:35.299 --> 01:35:37.479 I'm just going to make a really short phylogenetic tree. 01:35:37.519 --> 01:35:40.680 We all started from, you know, one thing apparently. 01:35:41.080 --> 01:35:52.342 And then we all got together and now there's animals A, B, C, D, E, and F. And one of them is, you know, this is bacteria and this is yeast. 01:35:53.323 --> 01:35:54.623 And then these are insects. 01:35:58.090 --> 01:36:02.236 And these are reptiles, I guess, or something like that. 01:36:02.256 --> 01:36:02.617 I don't know. 01:36:02.657 --> 01:36:03.418 And amphibians. 01:36:03.458 --> 01:36:04.980 And then we have mammals up here. 01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:07.423 How do we do mammals? 01:36:08.205 --> 01:36:08.745 Like a mouse? 01:36:08.866 --> 01:36:09.146 I don't know. 01:36:12.475 --> 01:36:13.095 What is a mouse? 01:36:13.135 --> 01:36:14.015 How do you draw a mouse? 01:36:14.115 --> 01:36:18.197 Shouldn't they have like a... Anyway, I can't do it on the camera. 01:36:19.177 --> 01:36:27.740 So you have this phylogenetic tree and the reality is that this phylogenetic tree has been weaponized against us. 01:36:27.820 --> 01:36:29.481 And how is it weaponized against us? 01:36:29.561 --> 01:36:35.163 Because they want you to believe that molecular techniques that are found down here 01:36:36.917 --> 01:36:41.503 apply to animals that are up here because we're all connected by this tree. 01:36:41.943 --> 01:36:55.259 But if this tree doesn't really exist, if this Darwinian evolutionary process that started from a mud puddle and then reaches all the way to here is not an explanation for creation, 01:36:56.630 --> 01:37:08.695 for whatever it is our existence is, then this presupposition, which is that molecular biology that we can learn here applies to molecular biology here because the same chemicals are in a cat. 01:37:10.556 --> 01:37:13.478 Cat has DNA and a bacteria has DNA. 01:37:13.758 --> 01:37:20.581 So anything that we do with bacteria and DNA must obviously apply, or in bacteria must obviously apply to the DNA in a cat. 01:37:21.001 --> 01:37:22.602 And that is only 01:37:23.587 --> 01:37:35.963 Presupposed because the evolutionary tree is presupposed And so evolution because DNA right that's the that's the thing I keep repeating evolution evolution 01:37:45.017 --> 01:37:45.237 Right? 01:37:45.337 --> 01:37:46.658 Evolution because DNA. 01:37:46.758 --> 01:37:50.561 And that is where this phylogenetic tree comes from. 01:37:50.621 --> 01:37:51.741 That's where this comes from. 01:37:51.802 --> 01:38:01.288 And that's also where what Mark and I have been kind of exploring independently and parallel is where all this nonce... Oh, I took the book back upstairs because I'm still reading it. 01:38:01.748 --> 01:38:10.374 Where this stuff comes from, where all of these physicists converted to biology after the Manhattan Project and brought all of their assumptions 01:38:11.536 --> 01:38:22.866 all of their techniques, all of their preconceived notions about how life must emerge from sort of this particle probability type thing. 01:38:25.103 --> 01:38:31.145 And a lot of these people who went into phage biology actually went into it after reading this book. 01:38:31.386 --> 01:38:40.749 In fact, the book that I showed you yesterday where Leo Szilard is going to University of Chicago with this other person and they're converting to biology in that book, they're talking about it. 01:38:41.530 --> 01:38:50.153 One of the essays that I just read yesterday starts out with the idea that this book inspired this person as a physicist to convert to biology, this book right here. 01:38:52.403 --> 01:38:56.464 That's what brought him to work with Delbruck and all these guys that were working on phages. 01:38:56.524 --> 01:39:06.508 It's remarkable that this biological history and this sort of mentor chain is completely lost in the American consciousness. 01:39:06.548 --> 01:39:10.169 And if it wasn't for my friend, Mark Kulak, I don't know if I would have found it so easily. 01:39:11.030 --> 01:39:13.611 But I'm definitely there now and I'm very excited about it. 01:39:13.671 --> 01:39:19.553 And I do think this is a wonderful way to think about why so much of what we've found in this 01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:29.942 area of our study is being weaponized against us by assuming that what we find here is applicable here. 01:39:30.942 --> 01:39:31.622 And it's not. 01:39:32.022 --> 01:39:46.145 More importantly, if we take DNA that we make here, and we put it up here, and we get proteins, that doesn't mean that we understand what's happening in this animal. 01:39:48.982 --> 01:39:50.344 But we do know that that works. 01:39:51.305 --> 01:39:53.547 That's called transformation and transfection. 01:39:54.348 --> 01:40:01.555 We also know that we can make RNA down here, and we can take that and we can put it up here, and we'll get protein. 01:40:02.056 --> 01:40:05.179 And that's called transfection for sure, and we've been doing it for a long time. 01:40:05.199 --> 01:40:07.422 But it doesn't mean that we understand 01:40:09.702 --> 01:40:24.690 what a cat is as a pattern integrity with a trajectory across time because we can sequence some of its DNA, or we can amplify some of its DNA using molecular tools from this toolbox, which is all we can do. 01:40:25.470 --> 01:40:37.917 All the Human Genome Project did was industrialize the toolbox of molecular enzymes that were found and identified in E. coli and other targeted molecular organisms. 01:40:39.778 --> 01:40:40.158 That's it. 01:40:40.999 --> 01:40:41.539 Nothing more. 01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:43.101 It's restriction enzymes. 01:40:43.461 --> 01:40:45.282 All are enzymes that are found. 01:40:45.503 --> 01:40:49.306 The no-see-um technique of Barak is all based on stuff down here. 01:40:50.046 --> 01:41:01.115 Prion disease is based on stuff that is done in yeast and assumed to recapitulate something that supposedly occurs in higher animals, but there's no recapitulating happening. 01:41:01.175 --> 01:41:01.856 It's just a myth. 01:41:03.058 --> 01:41:14.343 Again, the reason why that myth exists is because all the biologists in academia accept the phylogenetic tree that goes back to a mud puddle and a lightning bolt. 01:41:15.864 --> 01:41:27.789 And because they accept that, then they also accept the presupposition that the molecular basis of the existence of life is the same for all branches of the tree. 01:41:29.358 --> 01:41:37.041 The molecular rules that govern bacteria are the same molecular rules that govern the inheritance in higher animals. 01:41:37.121 --> 01:41:47.084 And that might not be true if you see that the definition of a pattern integrity is not yeast or a bacteria. 01:41:49.628 --> 01:41:58.330 and that everything above this, including plants, require a symbiosis with these type of organisms in order to exist. 01:41:58.910 --> 01:42:13.153 And so, the pattern integrities that we think about as biology, mammals, insects, birds, are complex pattern integrities that have a hyper symbiosis with bacteria that include mitochondria in their cells. 01:42:13.213 --> 01:42:15.193 Mitochondria have their own ribosomes. 01:42:15.233 --> 01:42:16.454 I don't know if you knew that before. 01:42:16.474 --> 01:42:17.694 They have their own DNA. 01:42:20.914 --> 01:42:24.247 and the bacteria in the gut, the bacteria in the soil. 01:42:26.778 --> 01:42:30.779 And that symbiosis is what allows these organisms to exist. 01:42:30.859 --> 01:42:39.041 And so the molecular rules and the hereditary rules that govern these animals are obviously much more complex. 01:42:39.741 --> 01:42:52.744 And the molecular limitations are much different than what we would find when studying these organisms, which are just a small part of the symbiosis that makes this possible. 01:42:54.605 --> 01:43:09.908 And again, remember, this whole concept is lost if you see all of these life forms as having descended from a common ancestor and therefore sharing common molecular mechanisms instead of seeing them as emergent properties. 01:43:10.628 --> 01:43:14.008 Insects are emergent properties of bacteria. 01:43:16.589 --> 01:43:22.690 And plants are emergent properties, emergent phenomenon from the existence of bacteria. 01:43:24.341 --> 01:43:35.092 And an abundant and diverse bacterial flora is the foundation of all of these pattern integrities. 01:43:35.152 --> 01:43:47.305 If there is an advance that you can see in land-based pattern integrities, then it would be that they can carry around this compost heap inside of them instead of needing to be embedded in it like a plant is. 01:43:48.151 --> 01:44:00.443 But the same nutrient exchange between the external, if you will, bacterial components and the nutrient exchange there, the symbiosis is the same in the roots as it is in our gut. 01:44:02.961 --> 01:44:11.207 And of course, plants also have this extra sort of symbiont, these chloroplasts, which are also derived from a bacterial construction. 01:44:11.267 --> 01:44:22.314 So again, we're looking at a sort of hyper symbiosis that allows us to exist that therefore does not support the idea of this phylogenetic tree. 01:44:22.434 --> 01:44:28.739 And once you throw this phylogenetic tree away, then you can reorganize your understanding of how this biology emerges from the layers. 01:44:30.506 --> 01:44:40.974 But what's interesting is that what else reinforced this molecular phylogenetic tree of evolution was, of course, SARS-CoV-2. 01:44:42.355 --> 01:44:51.282 And the huge story that they told us for the last five years about its molecular evolution and how that is the foundation of all evolution. 01:44:51.722 --> 01:44:55.265 Of course, you have to accept it because evolution is real because we found DNA. 01:44:56.857 --> 01:44:58.758 Wow, this is completely impromptu. 01:44:58.799 --> 01:45:01.441 I didn't expect this to come out of my brain right now. 01:45:01.501 --> 01:45:05.283 So, you know, thank somebody else, not me. 01:45:05.384 --> 01:45:05.864 Here we go. 01:45:08.366 --> 01:45:11.068 What do you want people to know about living with autism? 01:45:11.128 --> 01:45:12.149 How has it affected your life? 01:45:13.160 --> 01:45:18.264 Yeah, so what I want people to know is that autistic people may need different supports than non-autistic people. 01:45:19.064 --> 01:45:21.746 It's very important that we have those supports, those accommodations. 01:45:22.147 --> 01:45:30.152 That can mean the difference between whether or not we can live in the community, whether or not we can go to school with our peers, whether or not we can work a job in the community as opposed to in a sheltered workshop. 01:45:31.333 --> 01:45:35.156 Making those accommodations for us is the difference between including and excluding us. 01:45:35.956 --> 01:45:42.181 So if you see someone, for example, wearing headphones in a crowded area or someone at a job with a job coat, 01:45:42.281 --> 01:45:45.403 Yes, Christy, this person talking is on the spectrum. 01:45:47.145 --> 01:45:54.410 Or if someone asks for accommodations in housing or at work, I want you to think about that as the way that autistic people are included in society. 01:45:55.231 --> 01:45:58.013 Zoe Gross at the Autistic Self Advocacy Network. 01:45:58.053 --> 01:45:59.294 Thank you so much for joining us. 01:45:59.554 --> 01:46:00.315 Thank you for having me. 01:46:00.415 --> 01:46:03.017 She had a real hard time looking at, not looking at the camera. 01:46:03.037 --> 01:46:06.400 She broke that, she broke it like four times. 01:46:16.590 --> 01:46:19.172 So anyway, that's what I see coming. 01:46:19.673 --> 01:46:22.215 And this would be about injection versus ingestion, right? 01:46:22.235 --> 01:46:25.557 It would be about intramuscular injection not being medicine. 01:46:26.258 --> 01:46:34.424 And I think they put a lot of these people in place to tell us that the who was important and that the COVID vaccines are bad, but to make sure that the murder 01:46:35.445 --> 01:46:45.772 and lies that was happening in 2020 and 2021 that was used to convince the rest of the world of the pandemic coming, those are covered up by these traitorous organizations. 01:46:45.933 --> 01:46:51.537 And they include foreign organizations like Heart, this is one of the worst ones, Panda, also terrible. 01:46:52.717 --> 01:46:57.001 Just a bunch of real posers here. 01:46:57.461 --> 01:47:00.043 And we're told to focus on all these people, 01:47:00.983 --> 01:47:09.511 Even the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is a front group for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundational Trust. 01:47:09.551 --> 01:47:13.094 That's the real weaponized pile of money that nobody talks about. 01:47:14.475 --> 01:47:15.977 All of these companies are tiny. 01:47:17.168 --> 01:47:29.515 compared to the tech conglomerates that are now controlling social media and the potential that they have for controlling world governments, selling to the highest bidder their ability to control the narrative. 01:47:29.535 --> 01:47:31.176 And it's all because we gave it to them. 01:47:31.256 --> 01:47:34.578 We are acquiescing to the use of these platforms. 01:47:34.618 --> 01:47:39.281 We're producing content on these platforms and allowing them to decide what's seen 01:47:39.861 --> 01:47:47.046 And so if you want to beat them, you got to start using email again and emailing people with real links and telling them, watch this and nothing else. 01:47:47.967 --> 01:47:53.191 And if I have to, I mean, to make the PeerTube better so that it plays better, that people can download easier. 01:47:53.731 --> 01:48:01.697 But remember, PeerTube allows you to download, so you can even download it, put it in the background, and when it's done downloading, watch it offline. 01:48:02.389 --> 01:48:03.931 In fact, I encourage you to do that. 01:48:04.111 --> 01:48:17.645 I encourage you to download it and then open your own YouTube channel called Giga Ohm Mirror and start putting up the stream after I do somewhere else on the internet. 01:48:17.685 --> 01:48:18.166 Why not? 01:48:19.047 --> 01:48:23.932 Because that's the only way we will beat them is if we make it so that 01:48:25.330 --> 01:48:28.892 What they are now weaponizing against us is weaponized against them. 01:48:29.392 --> 01:48:30.953 I don't know exactly how to do it yet. 01:48:31.013 --> 01:48:33.294 Maybe there's a way we can use AI against them, I don't know. 01:48:34.514 --> 01:48:45.599 So what I've got here is a video that I think I'm gonna leave until tomorrow because it's 1.47 in the stream here and I don't wanna, but it is the title of the video. 01:48:45.639 --> 01:48:52.963 The title of the show today was Harvard Does Belmont and that's the Belmont Report. 01:48:54.165 --> 01:49:03.572 And that is a pretty seminal bioethics document that is the result of a lot of funding and a lot of meetings and many years of meetings and discussions. 01:49:05.153 --> 01:49:09.656 And it is essentially one of the more important bioethics documents in American 01:49:10.726 --> 01:49:11.807 literature, let's say. 01:49:12.628 --> 01:49:27.039 And I've done several streams about it, especially in 2020 and 2021 in the context of Christine Grady and how she does a lot of ethics presentations without ever mentioning the Belmont Report as being important. 01:49:28.180 --> 01:49:33.865 And so don't get the Belmont Report confused with the Belford Declaration, but the Belmont Report 01:49:34.765 --> 01:49:39.769 is the ethics report that I think it came out in the 70s, but it might even be the 80s. 01:49:40.870 --> 01:49:52.318 And it is really fundamental to understanding what I think is the legal basis for getting rid of the PrEP Act, the legal basis for, you know, calling people what they are, which is murderers. 01:49:53.573 --> 01:49:55.415 but they're not gonna talk about it that way. 01:49:55.455 --> 01:49:58.598 Harvard's might not even tell you what the document actually is. 01:49:59.159 --> 01:50:04.524 So maybe I'll just watch the first five or 10 minutes of it to see if I'm correct about my feeling of what's gonna happen here. 01:50:05.065 --> 01:50:07.868 And then if it's significant enough, maybe we'll watch it tomorrow. 01:50:07.908 --> 01:50:10.651 Otherwise, we're just gonna move on to more important things tomorrow. 01:50:10.691 --> 01:50:11.592 Let's just see how it works. 01:50:20.066 --> 01:50:20.566 Welcome. 01:50:21.386 --> 01:50:25.707 I'm Rebecca Brindel, Director of the Center for Bioethics at Harvard Medical School. 01:50:26.367 --> 01:50:32.248 I'll be your moderator today for this critical and timely discussion on trust and ethics in public health. 01:50:33.249 --> 01:50:46.151 Joining me today are David Augustin-Hodge, the Interim Director and Associate Professor of the National Center for Bioethics in Research and Healthcare at Tuskegee University, Evelyn Hammonds, 01:50:46.584 --> 01:50:54.026 Barbara Gutmann Rosenkranz, professor of the history of science and professor of African and African American studies at Harvard University. 01:50:54.186 --> 01:50:55.786 Professor of the history of science. 01:50:55.866 --> 01:51:15.070 I bet she doesn't know jack all about the the mentor chain that goes from the Manhattan Project into molecular biology and bacteriophages right into AIDS and chronic fatigue and the vaccine agronomy right up into Robert Malone and 01:51:16.194 --> 01:51:28.723 and Judy Mikovits and Mary Holland and Stephen Hatfield, which is actually, I think, who we're going to watch tomorrow as the study hall because he's done this recent interview that's just extraordinary. 01:51:28.743 --> 01:51:34.868 University and professor of social and behavioral sciences at the Harvard Chan School of Public Health. 01:51:36.112 --> 01:51:44.018 and Alan Brandt, Professor of the History of Science and Annaleigh Moses Cass Professor of the History of Medicine at Harvard University. 01:51:44.599 --> 01:51:45.880 Thank you all for being here. 01:51:48.042 --> 01:51:53.866 I wanna start with some important framing for our audience, some of whom may be learning this material for the first time. 01:51:54.727 --> 01:51:59.431 It goes back to 1978, well, actually before, but we'll put ourselves in 1978. 01:51:59.551 --> 01:52:05.536 It was before because I think it's the result of like five years or four years of meetings. 01:52:05.930 --> 01:52:18.216 After four years of work, a National Commission of Physicians, Lawyers, and Scientists released what is now known as the Belmont Report, laying out ethical principles for research with human participants. 01:52:19.497 --> 01:52:34.798 One catalyst for this work was the revelation that for more than 40 years, the United States Public Health Service and the CDC had conducted a study in which researchers observed the effects of untreated syphilis in nearly 400 African American men. 01:52:36.673 --> 01:52:52.695 Wow, so after all of this malfeasance, they took four years to outline the ethics of using human subjects in experimentation, and instead of talking about what they found and the conclusions they came to, 01:52:53.416 --> 01:53:00.498 This poser is starting with the bullshit that brought about the whole thing in the first place. 01:53:00.578 --> 01:53:07.900 The only reason why the Belmont Commission was established and the Belmont Report was produced was because of that bullshit. 01:53:09.520 --> 01:53:10.760 It's not in the report. 01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:13.201 The report exists because of crap like that. 01:53:13.461 --> 01:53:16.782 And she's not really saying that correctly if I hear her right. 01:53:17.242 --> 01:53:21.203 This, despite the easy availability of medicine to treat them, 01:53:22.196 --> 01:53:30.158 The men who were enticed to participate in the study with the promise of free medical care were never informed of their diagnosis. 01:53:31.278 --> 01:53:39.700 By the time the study was shut down in 1972, more than 100 patients had died of syphilis or its complications. 01:53:40.540 --> 01:53:42.420 She reads about as well as Casey means. 01:53:43.141 --> 01:53:45.521 And dozens of their wives became infected. 01:53:45.541 --> 01:53:49.222 19 children were born with congenital syphilis. 01:53:50.771 --> 01:54:03.062 Now, close to five decades after the Belmont Report was published, it's time to look back at what it has meant for ethics and trust in public health and medicine, and to consider the work that's still left to do. 01:54:04.783 --> 01:54:12.450 David, you've been spending a lot of time thinking about research ethics and healthcare ethics. 01:54:36.101 --> 01:54:37.462 crazy. 01:54:37.542 --> 01:54:39.922 I really hope they don't blow it, because I'm going to get pissed. 01:54:40.043 --> 01:54:44.004 And you've been working to create a Tuskegee response to the Belmont Report. 01:54:44.604 --> 01:54:46.465 Tell us what that means and what it's all about. 01:54:47.665 --> 01:54:48.986 Good afternoon, everyone. 01:54:49.006 --> 01:54:49.986 Good afternoon, family. 01:54:50.026 --> 01:54:51.587 And it's just so good to be here. 01:54:51.687 --> 01:54:52.507 Thank you, Becca. 01:54:52.968 --> 01:54:53.948 Thank you, Emily. 01:54:54.488 --> 01:54:56.509 Good afternoon, family. 01:54:59.961 --> 01:55:05.042 and all of those who worked together to make this opportunity possible. 01:55:05.242 --> 01:55:09.123 So we can have a conversation on this very amazing question. 01:55:09.803 --> 01:55:24.326 The Belmont Report did and was supposed to do a remarkable job in responding to not just those men in the syphilis study, but in terms of research, 01:55:25.186 --> 01:55:30.313 in terms of human subjects and how they should be cared for and cared about. 01:55:31.114 --> 01:55:32.476 That was its responsibility. 01:55:33.417 --> 01:55:42.929 Here we are 50 years later and we see that excess deaths categories are still ruled by the same pigmentation of those who were in the syphilis study. 01:55:43.928 --> 01:55:53.957 black men and black people are still dying at a faster rate in every one of the excess deaths categories. 01:55:54.698 --> 01:56:09.492 It terrifies me to think that this, what he's saying right now, could be distorted by the claims of William Thompson and Brian Hooker into the idea that the vaccine schedule is the result of this. 01:56:10.461 --> 01:56:16.383 or rather this is the result of the vaccine schedule because it harms black people, black boys in particular. 01:56:17.044 --> 01:56:28.128 And so we have to wonder to what extent the Belmont Report, as excellent as a project it was, doesn't it need to be interrogated to ensure that we get closer to where we need to be? 01:56:30.396 --> 01:56:42.891 So we have to actually question whether the Belmont Report is where we need it to be, whether it got us where we need it to be, without actually thinking about what the Belmont Report says? 01:56:42.911 --> 01:56:43.852 Wow. 01:56:43.933 --> 01:56:46.816 Trials, for example, we still have low participation. 01:56:48.075 --> 01:57:09.012 And though there's low participation, I am really wondering are the factors or the actions that are being done to increase participation in clinical trials, are they considering all of the nuances that may be involved in why many will not be participatory? 01:57:09.753 --> 01:57:20.836 So even though good actions are present, one wonders whether or not those good actions are missing some critical points, like what kind of access are present for the good actions. 01:57:21.237 --> 01:57:26.638 For example, if we live in, if we want to do critical trials with people who live in rural communities. 01:57:27.699 --> 01:57:38.742 Clinical trials with people who live in rural communities, is he not talking about turning the entire population into test subjects and how we can ethically do it? 01:57:40.828 --> 01:57:43.330 Is he not directly talking about that? 01:57:43.890 --> 01:57:44.310 And what? 01:57:44.891 --> 01:57:45.771 He's from what? 01:57:46.191 --> 01:57:47.912 Gonna write a response from who? 01:57:48.533 --> 01:57:49.093 For the what? 01:57:50.574 --> 01:58:03.682 What is happening here other than the exact same bullshit that Tony Fauci's wife does when she gives a presentation about community medicine or communal medicine or communal ethics in public health? 01:58:06.468 --> 01:58:11.091 This is extremely terrifying because this is the other side, right? 01:58:11.111 --> 01:58:12.992 This is the side that wore the masks. 01:58:13.073 --> 01:58:17.275 This is the side that believes in the systemic racism. 01:58:17.315 --> 01:58:22.039 This is the side that would put us in a camp, quite frankly. 01:58:23.095 --> 01:58:23.555 Yikes. 01:58:24.035 --> 01:58:27.677 And a large population of black people, particularly those that live in rural communities. 01:58:28.057 --> 01:58:33.579 If you want to do clinical trials, have we given due consideration to what access means? 01:58:34.039 --> 01:58:38.861 Like access to transportation, access to child care, access to food and food securities. 01:58:39.242 --> 01:58:41.663 So these are stuff that they deal with on a regular basis. 01:58:41.703 --> 01:58:48.305 So if there is no access, then to what extent can we say that the action is legitimate? 01:58:48.645 --> 01:58:52.527 So we have to raise questions about the kinds of things that on the GERD 01:58:52.967 --> 01:58:56.891 what we think is good morality in access. 01:58:57.371 --> 01:59:06.199 So we know about the social political health, we know about political determinants of health, and my dear brother Lachlan right here, I've been talking for quite a bit on moral determinants of health. 01:59:06.600 --> 01:59:10.544 To what extent are we serious about the moral determinants? 01:59:10.664 --> 01:59:12.906 The moral determinants of health. 01:59:13.982 --> 01:59:17.303 is a frighteningly aspecific phrase. 01:59:17.483 --> 01:59:23.104 I don't know what any of the word combinations he said for the last minute means. 01:59:23.324 --> 01:59:39.188 Tuskegee Report is what I would call a black bioethics approach to interrogate the Belmont Report to see to what extent the factors and the features in the Belmont Report are consistent with the kinds of things we need to be considering. 01:59:39.628 --> 01:59:40.268 for example. 01:59:40.288 --> 01:59:41.389 It's ridiculous. 01:59:41.489 --> 01:59:50.971 They are questioning a document that forms the foundation of bioethics as we know it without addressing what specific little tweaks it needs to be made. 01:59:51.692 --> 01:59:59.354 That would be like going and just saying willy-nilly that the Nuremberg Accord is something that we need to reconsider. 01:59:59.454 --> 02:00:07.676 Maybe we didn't quite get to the finish line with the Nuremberg Accord because we're interested in testing rural populations. 02:00:08.057 --> 02:00:09.197 How does that make sense? 02:00:11.035 --> 02:00:12.396 but that's an equivalent statement. 02:00:13.036 --> 02:00:31.626 I think we need to reconsider whether we got to the finish line with the Nuremberg Accord, because if we think in the future about testing rural populations, we have to know more about access and equity and whether or not these ethical principles are being met as we think about our moral determinants of public health. 02:00:32.627 --> 02:00:33.968 Stop lying. 02:00:35.387 --> 02:00:36.448 Holy shit. 02:00:52.253 --> 02:00:53.695 No, it's really not. 02:00:53.755 --> 02:00:58.699 If we read the justice part, who ought to receive the benefits of the research and bear its burdens? 02:00:59.340 --> 02:01:03.624 This is the question of justice and the sense of fairness of distribution or what is deserved. 02:01:04.164 --> 02:01:11.992 And injustice occurs when some benefit to which a person is entitled is denied without good reason or when some burden is imposed unduly. 02:01:12.732 --> 02:01:16.376 Another way of conceiving the principle, sorry, I'm doing that to you. 02:01:32.359 --> 02:01:38.946 Another way of conceiving the principle of justice is that equals is that equals ought to be treated equally. 02:01:39.466 --> 02:01:39.987 However, this 02:01:43.228 --> 02:01:45.390 This statement requires explication. 02:01:45.790 --> 02:01:47.691 Who is equal and who is unequal? 02:01:47.791 --> 02:01:52.294 What considerations justify departure from equal distribution? 02:01:52.454 --> 02:02:03.221 Almost all commentators allow that distinctions between experience, age, deprivation, competence, merit, and position do sometimes constitute criteria justifying differential treatment. 02:02:03.762 --> 02:02:09.406 There are several widely accepted formulations of just ways to distribute burdens and benefits. 02:02:10.387 --> 02:02:15.852 Each formulation mentions some relevant property on the basis of which burdens and benefits should be distributed. 02:02:15.912 --> 02:02:28.383 These formulations are to each person an equal share, to each person according to their individual need, to each person according to individual effort, to each person according to societal contribution, to each person according to merit. 02:02:29.394 --> 02:02:35.056 Questions of justice have long been associated with social practices such as punishment, taxation, and political representation. 02:02:35.536 --> 02:02:41.057 Until recently, these questions have not been associated with scientific research. 02:02:41.477 --> 02:02:46.939 However, they are foreshadowed even in the earliest reflections of the ethics of research involving human subjects. 02:02:46.959 --> 02:02:58.522 For example, during the 19th and 20th centuries, the burdens of serving as research subjects fell largely on poor ward patients, while the benefits of improved medical care flowed primarily to private patients. 02:02:59.082 --> 02:03:09.711 Subsequently, the exploitation of unwilling prisoners as research subjects in the Nazi concentration camps was condemned as a particularly flagrant injustice. 02:03:10.292 --> 02:03:21.281 In this country in the 1940s, the Tuskegee syphilis study used disadvantaged rural black men to study the untreated course of a disease that is by no means confined to that population. 02:03:21.762 --> 02:03:26.706 These subjects were deprived of demonstrably effective treatment in order not to interrupt the project, 02:03:27.166 --> 02:03:29.647 long after such treatment became generally available. 02:03:30.167 --> 02:03:35.708 Against this background, it can be seen how conceptions of justice are relevant to research involving human subjects. 02:03:36.248 --> 02:03:53.713 For example, the selection of research subjects needs to be scrutinized in order to determine whether some classes are being systematically selected simply because of their ease of availability, their compromised position, or their manipulability, rather than for reasons directly related to the problem being studied. 02:03:55.694 --> 02:04:15.939 Finally, whenever research supported by public funds leads to the development of a therapeutic device and procedure, justice demands both that these not provide advantages only to those who can afford them and that such research should not unduly involve persons from groups unlikely to be among the beneficiaries of the subsequent applications of the research. 02:04:16.419 --> 02:04:19.120 I think they were pretty specific about what they meant by justice. 02:04:20.305 --> 02:04:28.588 just like they were specific about what they meant about beneficence, and just like they were specific about respect for persons, not humans. 02:04:30.889 --> 02:04:32.269 Respect for persons. 02:04:38.132 --> 02:04:45.454 First, that individuals should be treated as autonomous agents, and second, that persons with diminished autonomy are entitled to protection. 02:04:48.015 --> 02:04:49.796 You see, so the less you know, 02:04:51.394 --> 02:04:53.436 the more protection you should be afforded. 02:04:53.716 --> 02:04:57.519 The principle of respect for persons thus divides into two separate moral requirements. 02:04:57.559 --> 02:05:02.323 The requirement to acknowledge autonomy, that's a person, not a human. 02:05:03.084 --> 02:05:04.365 Humans aren't autonomous. 02:05:04.405 --> 02:05:10.290 Humans are part of a species that they owe a lot to and should be thinking about the evolution of. 02:05:11.631 --> 02:05:19.498 Persons are autonomous agents given a very limited time on earth to do with what they can. 02:05:20.754 --> 02:05:25.277 to contribute to trees under whose shade they will never shelter. 02:05:28.419 --> 02:05:35.424 This autonomous person is an individual capable of deliberation about personal goals and of acting under the directive of such deliberation. 02:05:35.984 --> 02:05:46.291 To respect autonomy is to give weight to autonomous persons' considered opinions and choices while refraining from obstructing their actions unless they are clearly detrimental to others. 02:05:47.091 --> 02:06:06.044 to show lack of respect for an autonomous agent is to repudiate that person's considered judgments, to deny an individual the freedom to act on those considered judgments, or to withhold information necessary to make a considered judgment when there is no compelling reason to do so. 02:06:06.684 --> 02:06:13.409 So for example, to call something an investigational vaccine when it should have been called a transfection or transformation. 02:06:14.943 --> 02:06:20.405 that would be withholding necessary information to make a considered judgment. 02:06:20.545 --> 02:06:35.771 And I tried desperately to get people to understand that, you know, like the jackass Brett Weinstein or the poser Chris Martinson, both of whom are now supported by Brownstone and IMA and whatever else they're taking fellowships from. 02:06:36.191 --> 02:06:42.954 These people are traitors because they violated the principles of the Belmont Report. 02:06:44.175 --> 02:06:47.937 The principles of respects for persons was primary. 02:06:48.778 --> 02:06:52.039 And that's what the people on the internet are doing to you now. 02:06:52.660 --> 02:06:59.103 They are withholding information for their handlers on purpose for money and fame. 02:07:00.664 --> 02:07:05.267 Slow rolling us to a truth that we will never realize a lot like Lucy in the football. 02:07:06.707 --> 02:07:07.668 That's what you see here. 02:07:08.448 --> 02:07:10.609 This is such malevolent bullshit. 02:07:10.890 --> 02:07:11.410 It hurts me. 02:07:14.842 --> 02:07:16.142 When have we ever achieved justice? 02:07:16.963 --> 02:07:18.183 What does justice look like? 02:07:18.803 --> 02:07:36.992 Now, if we talk about social justice, we could actually put some measure... Imagine that they took four years to write that summary paragraph about what they meant by justice, and this would-be scholar, academician, gave it less than two sentences. 02:07:37.152 --> 02:07:38.652 I mean, that is some serious... 02:07:42.093 --> 02:07:45.234 combined with some serious, stop lying. 02:07:46.995 --> 02:07:47.396 Yikes. 02:07:48.676 --> 02:07:49.777 Bring on it. 02:07:49.977 --> 02:07:57.981 We could put some, we could put, we could level the field somewhat because we could actually look at pieces and see how critical they are. 02:07:58.081 --> 02:08:04.704 For example, if, if there's only a Piggly Wiggly in Macon County, 02:08:06.039 --> 02:08:14.063 And that Piggly Wiggly represents the best of the fruits and vegetables that you're going to get. 02:08:15.464 --> 02:08:19.446 How then can you support your children and give them a healthy diet? 02:08:20.600 --> 02:08:34.970 Now, the strange thing is that right up the street in Auburn, or down the street in Montgomery, which is about 15, 20 miles in each direction, you have Kroger, you have Publix, you have all of these different places. 02:08:35.451 --> 02:08:37.432 But now you have transportation as an issue again. 02:08:37.812 --> 02:08:38.913 And you have funds. 02:08:39.213 --> 02:08:41.595 There's no city bus that runs in rural communities. 02:08:42.175 --> 02:08:42.996 So now we're struggling. 02:08:43.176 --> 02:08:44.137 So the Tuskegee report. 02:08:46.556 --> 02:08:48.417 Sorry, I had to allow that comment. 02:08:48.997 --> 02:09:05.006 Is the National Center's attempt to respond to the Belmont Report with practical ideologies, practical thought, to really interrogate what we need to do to ensure that we can have a better playing ground? 02:09:05.026 --> 02:09:06.647 So there's a lot of time. 02:09:06.747 --> 02:09:10.009 That has shit all to do with what the Belmont Report is. 02:09:10.209 --> 02:09:11.269 It's remarkable. 02:09:11.349 --> 02:09:13.150 What are these monkeys doing? 02:09:13.311 --> 02:09:14.551 Oh, I shouldn't have used that word. 02:09:15.031 --> 02:09:15.892 But you know what I mean. 02:09:17.145 --> 02:09:18.087 I mean all of them. 02:09:18.187 --> 02:09:19.068 She's a monkey too. 02:09:19.669 --> 02:09:21.392 They're all just grinding it out. 02:09:21.552 --> 02:09:23.275 I don't even know what's going on here. 02:09:24.577 --> 02:09:25.599 It's remarkable. 02:09:25.659 --> 02:09:26.521 What is she again? 02:09:26.581 --> 02:09:29.886 She's an ethics, like the head of an ethics department this monkey is. 02:09:30.996 --> 02:09:32.037 My goodness. 02:09:32.397 --> 02:09:49.067 But really what you're suggesting is that we need to look from the perspective of a black bioethics from those who have been systematically left out even after we've made moral commitments in the Belmont report. 02:09:49.107 --> 02:09:50.568 He can't even look at her. 02:09:54.042 --> 02:09:56.524 I mean, they're supposed to be having a conversation. 02:09:56.564 --> 02:09:57.864 He can't even look at her. 02:09:58.265 --> 02:09:59.145 Hello, family. 02:09:59.525 --> 02:10:01.146 And I ain't talking to this white girl. 02:10:03.188 --> 02:10:03.848 It's gross. 02:10:04.028 --> 02:10:11.333 What you see here is very, very much set up malevolence that is part of the controlled demolition of America. 02:10:11.393 --> 02:10:13.914 And we have to reject it wholeheartedly. 02:10:14.515 --> 02:10:19.458 This theater and these unwitting participants need to be rejected wholeheartedly. 02:10:20.575 --> 02:10:30.460 because they are taking what is a foundational American document in science and ethics and making a laughingstock of it by talking about piggly wiggly. 02:10:30.480 --> 02:10:35.442 50 years later to... Yes, she said black bioethics. 02:10:35.502 --> 02:10:36.523 That didn't happen again. 02:10:37.222 --> 02:10:47.650 Evelyn, I'm wondering if you can put this in context for us about what that looks like in terms of health disparities, thinking about, for example- Change of perspective, people. 02:10:47.690 --> 02:10:54.555 Morbidity, mortality crisis, and how this all fits together to where we find ourselves today. 02:10:55.523 --> 02:10:58.245 Well, first, thank you all for inviting me. 02:10:58.265 --> 02:11:04.729 And I'm happy to be here on this panel with people I have a great deal of respect for and the work that they do all the time. 02:11:06.431 --> 02:11:10.013 So the answer to that question is a very long one, historically. 02:11:11.534 --> 02:11:19.797 The way I put it is that we've not had a time since Africans were first brought here and became enslaved in the United States. 02:11:19.817 --> 02:11:22.718 We've never had a period of time when there weren't health disparities. 02:11:23.579 --> 02:11:33.763 And the distinction between what was health for those who were enslaved versus the health of those who enslaved them is something that 02:11:35.183 --> 02:11:57.050 began to be noticed as... It's really interesting because there's a guy in my childhood who was on TV who lost his job on TV because he argued that the really big black dudes in basketball and in the NFL were so big because they descend from slaves that were bred to be really big. 02:11:57.210 --> 02:12:04.253 So it's not really fair sometimes if you have to compete against somebody who descends from people that were bred to be giants. 02:12:04.997 --> 02:12:07.099 you know, super strong and fast and whatever. 02:12:08.100 --> 02:12:10.163 Like seriously, he lost his job. 02:12:10.203 --> 02:12:12.766 His name is Jimmy the Greek for saying something like that. 02:12:13.502 --> 02:12:22.049 And so this woman wants you to accept some portion of the history of the American slave. 02:12:23.330 --> 02:12:30.797 And for sure, forget about generations of slavery where the color of the skin did not matter at all who was enslaved. 02:12:31.297 --> 02:12:35.380 But let's just focus on the recent, recent, recent, recent, recent, 02:12:36.281 --> 02:12:45.931 sort of manifestation of slavery in America and then talk about very specific aspects of it with the Belmont Report behind her. 02:12:50.175 --> 02:12:51.737 Yikes, I mean it's really yucky. 02:12:53.003 --> 02:12:58.606 as early as the first time black people arrived here as slaves. 02:12:59.086 --> 02:13:01.548 So we have to think about it's been a long story. 02:13:01.988 --> 02:13:05.310 In that sense, that means that there are ways in which we've accepted. 02:13:05.530 --> 02:13:19.078 I think you need to think about it from a really hardcore biological perspective, like only the really, really badass, strong genes, strong immune systems made it through two months of being in the bottom of a slave ship. 02:13:21.269 --> 02:13:27.351 all the weak constitutions, all the weak immune systems, all the, I mean, they all died. 02:13:29.012 --> 02:13:37.375 And then you had generation or two of, you know, I mean, come on, ladies and gentlemen, let's, let's be honest here. 02:13:37.415 --> 02:13:41.036 This is not a accurate reckoning of 02:13:41.883 --> 02:13:44.785 recent or deep human history at all. 02:13:44.805 --> 02:13:53.753 This is not an accurate sort of, you know, updating of our understanding of the Belmont Report, even though they say we have to update our understanding of it. 02:13:53.793 --> 02:13:56.095 Why would we need to update our understanding of the U.S. 02:13:56.135 --> 02:13:58.837 Constitution unless there might be a reason to destroy it? 02:13:59.337 --> 02:14:05.983 Why would we need to update something as beautiful as something that took four years to decide on how to write? 02:14:08.812 --> 02:14:13.195 with just some willy-nilly discussion about the distribution of Piggly Wigglies. 02:14:14.736 --> 02:14:23.062 This is a mockery to all of academia in the world, a mockery of all academia in the West, and that's on purpose. 02:14:24.588 --> 02:14:28.009 to in this society that there will be health disparities. 02:14:28.710 --> 02:14:38.074 And so for certainly for me and those of us who've studied African-American history and my colleagues here on the panel, what happened. 02:14:38.214 --> 02:14:41.555 I mean, only black people live in poor neighborhoods, right? 02:14:41.655 --> 02:14:42.936 Only black people live there. 02:14:42.956 --> 02:14:45.116 So only black people have these disparities. 02:14:45.177 --> 02:14:47.698 That's the actual story they're telling. 02:14:47.718 --> 02:14:50.939 There's no poor people in Appalachia except for black people. 02:14:51.259 --> 02:14:53.340 And only poor people everywhere are black. 02:14:54.678 --> 02:15:08.007 and that the Belmont report is a response to was something that we had been struggling with in this country through public health infrastructure as well as the medical establishment to try to address. 02:15:08.487 --> 02:15:15.772 But certainly Tuskegee became this sort of flashpoint of bringing all of what we had been aware of in the past to the fore. 02:15:16.413 --> 02:15:23.798 And so one of the major issues, as David just talked about, certainly was issues of access. 02:15:24.918 --> 02:15:41.146 that certainly deserved much more extensive discussion than what... So they're saying access all over and over again when in the Belmont Report, it would be about beneficence and it would be about equity and they listed it all. 02:15:41.166 --> 02:15:48.450 They listed equals get equals and to each their, to their need and they listed principles. 02:15:49.386 --> 02:15:54.070 The old principles, the ways you could think about it, they didn't take it lightly. 02:15:54.110 --> 02:15:56.993 It was a scholarly work that took four years to produce. 02:15:57.393 --> 02:16:01.136 And these shitheads are ad-libbing about ideas they haven't even read. 02:16:02.898 --> 02:16:04.179 They're Harvard people. 02:16:04.359 --> 02:16:04.920 Come on. 02:16:04.980 --> 02:16:09.264 They're supposed to be, you know, ivory tower learned people. 02:16:10.825 --> 02:16:16.029 You couldn't even have a conversation with this lady for more than five minutes before everything would break down. 02:16:16.983 --> 02:16:23.107 She would consider you an unlearned, unwashed, oh my gosh. 02:16:23.747 --> 02:16:24.788 In the Belmont Report. 02:16:25.348 --> 02:16:34.273 Secondly, the ways in which we want to talk about not just what happens to individuals, but what was happening to black communities throughout this long history. 02:16:34.794 --> 02:16:39.036 And of course, this period of time, 1619 to the president is a long period of time. 02:16:39.096 --> 02:16:41.918 Many, many things have changed, but there are some aspects that 02:16:42.398 --> 02:16:45.919 I think, are persistent across time. 02:16:46.519 --> 02:16:52.920 And the one that I would point to is if you think about the black maternal and morbidity crisis as it's now defined. 02:16:53.920 --> 02:16:57.961 One of the first things I said about it when it was first called a crisis, I said, how long? 02:16:58.161 --> 02:17:00.242 It's been going on for like two and a half centuries. 02:17:00.282 --> 02:17:01.562 Why is it a crisis now? 02:17:02.102 --> 02:17:04.682 I mean, it's always been a crisis. 02:17:04.763 --> 02:17:11.984 But one of the things that reproductive health advocates and scholars have been writing about is that something seems to have 02:17:12.404 --> 02:17:19.527 made this crisis, this situation, into a crisis in the late 20th century for some observers. 02:17:20.308 --> 02:17:25.851 And one of the issues that has emerged from that is how to determine what is the cause of it. 02:17:26.131 --> 02:17:28.092 And that's where the health disparities work is coming in. 02:17:28.372 --> 02:17:29.752 How do we figure out what causes it? 02:17:29.812 --> 02:17:30.413 What causes it? 02:17:30.673 --> 02:17:35.955 And there are rooms full of studies trying to figure this out. 02:17:36.175 --> 02:17:38.717 But I think there's something very important 02:17:39.717 --> 02:17:53.693 here, that we do take this time right now to try to figure it out and hopefully, once and for all, come to terms with the kinds of factors that have led to high rates of black women's death and their infants' death. 02:17:54.414 --> 02:18:02.321 debts as well, that we can really begin to make a shift in the ways in which it's both at the individual level, it's at the community level. 02:18:02.341 --> 02:18:13.570 I think it's a legitimate point to make that one of the, or two of the strategies that were listed as possible ways to determine what equal is were essentially communist ideas. 02:18:13.610 --> 02:18:16.372 They absolutely are, but they didn't list all communist ideas. 02:18:16.432 --> 02:18:19.555 They also said equals get equals and what else did they say? 02:18:21.266 --> 02:18:23.028 I might've put it away already, so it doesn't matter. 02:18:23.388 --> 02:18:24.609 But I see your point, I do. 02:18:25.089 --> 02:18:29.813 Unity level and it's at the level of systems and institutions in this country. 02:18:29.853 --> 02:18:34.457 I think we can mark all those things, but we still haven't been able to come up with a coherent. 02:18:34.617 --> 02:18:45.186 Now imagine what I see and what Mark sees and what you probably see if you've been here long enough is that all these words and all this discussion and all these terms 02:18:47.301 --> 02:19:08.569 They don't address any of the very simple points that it's about the human genome and we need to convert everybody to human test subjects because we can't learn anything about ourselves anymore from studying these organisms with which we are symbiotically in existence with. 02:19:10.070 --> 02:19:15.452 There is no molecular phylogenetic tree that connects us and justifies 02:19:16.465 --> 02:19:30.780 these molecular observations as being taken as either evidence of the existence of that tree or evidence of our understanding these higher order pattern integrities of which we are one. 02:19:32.742 --> 02:19:39.789 And we have to understand that, that the biology of bacteria and the molecular biology of bacteria has been 02:19:41.266 --> 02:19:57.143 weaponized against us in all aspects, including of our understanding of ourselves, so that we have been led to believe that we are descended from bacteria instead of an emergent property of the symbiosis with bacteria. 02:19:59.309 --> 02:20:01.050 Dang, every once in a while I nail it. 02:20:02.591 --> 02:20:03.132 What a story. 02:20:03.572 --> 02:20:06.054 And back to the point of access. 02:20:06.434 --> 02:20:14.580 One of the things we do know, if you just think about trying to understand this crisis in terms of race, you get up to a point, you get some clear factors. 02:20:14.640 --> 02:20:18.663 But then if you add socioeconomic class, then you get other issues come up. 02:20:19.144 --> 02:20:23.087 And so one of the consistent things that have recently been discussed 02:20:23.827 --> 02:20:28.209 It's crazy because they are contributing to this public health is the answer. 02:20:28.289 --> 02:20:29.529 Public health is the answer. 02:20:29.569 --> 02:20:33.771 We have to be able to test rural, you know, disparities. 02:20:33.831 --> 02:20:38.293 And they wanna do all this stuff just under the, they're coming at it with a different angle. 02:20:38.333 --> 02:20:47.356 And it's a gross and malevolent angle if you're not there, just like I described earlier in the stream, how if you're not in this circle, it seems crazy. 02:20:47.876 --> 02:20:51.838 And you can easily imagine how this woman would think I was crazy 02:20:52.338 --> 02:20:55.261 for suggesting that public health is an illusion. 02:20:56.462 --> 02:21:00.306 That this whole idea of virology is an illusion. 02:21:00.346 --> 02:21:06.313 This whole idea of we've sequenced the human genome and now we're moving forward is a ridiculous mythology. 02:21:06.393 --> 02:21:08.415 She is not aware of that. 02:21:12.170 --> 02:21:17.916 She's just really happy that it takes seven and a half minutes to read all of her accolades before they say her name. 02:21:18.176 --> 02:21:30.328 Many black women, no matter their educational level, no matter their class status, are still reporting that they are engaged, they have to deal with health practitioners who do not listen to them. 02:21:31.591 --> 02:21:35.034 I think I'm going to move on now because I think it's time to end. 02:21:35.074 --> 02:21:36.595 It is two hours and 20 minutes. 02:21:36.635 --> 02:21:37.515 It's bad biology. 02:21:37.575 --> 02:21:38.856 Evolution because DNA. 02:21:38.896 --> 02:21:45.180 I think I nailed this little impromptu discussion of why that molecular phylogenetic tree is a myth. 02:21:45.741 --> 02:21:53.126 And that myth facilitates this juggling of this means that, evolution because DNA. 02:21:53.166 --> 02:21:54.307 And that's all bullshit. 02:21:55.407 --> 02:21:59.050 And they have put this myth in place for a long time. 02:21:59.090 --> 02:22:00.371 They've insisted that this myth 02:22:00.951 --> 02:22:04.412 be there even though they now know that it's an irreducible complexity. 02:22:04.453 --> 02:22:06.193 They have no chance of digesting it. 02:22:06.613 --> 02:22:13.476 They still are on this script and they have taken advantage of an anticipated rise in all-cause mortality. 02:22:13.936 --> 02:22:19.879 They murdered a few people in America by briefly losing control of how they treated pneumonia. 02:22:21.653 --> 02:22:25.256 And they misconstrued that as a spreading novel pathogen. 02:22:25.416 --> 02:22:27.038 And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 02:22:27.098 --> 02:22:42.732 played his role because Robert Malone gave him a good script, because Kevin McKernan gave him a good script, because Merrill Nass was in his ear already years ago, because Brett Weinstein and his father are part of the script, because Steve Bannon is aware of the script. 02:22:43.152 --> 02:22:49.056 and probably was aware of Andrew Wakefield and Pauly Tommy being brought over America for this script. 02:22:49.436 --> 02:23:04.085 It's probably why the great Tony Lyons, as Steve Bannon called him the other day, was clever enough to get Jesse Ventura to write a book like this that kind of presaged the idea that an independent Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 02:23:04.105 --> 02:23:06.707 would help somebody win the White House and then they'd get shot. 02:23:10.666 --> 02:23:14.429 So that's not by accident, ladies and gentlemen, because this is for all the marbles. 02:23:14.469 --> 02:23:15.850 This is for grandchildren of earth. 02:23:15.890 --> 02:23:25.677 That's why there's a fake anti-vax movement in America that helped lay down this myth of a novel pathogen on what is an irreducibly complex background. 02:23:26.097 --> 02:23:33.842 And so that irreducibly complex background using nonspecific PCR tests was told to us as evidence of spread. 02:23:33.882 --> 02:23:36.504 And since RNA cannot pandemic, we know that's bullshit. 02:23:36.945 --> 02:23:40.087 The only way they got away with it is placebos made it safe. 02:23:42.335 --> 02:23:46.097 And so using PCR to find their ghost doesn't make their ghost real. 02:23:46.137 --> 02:23:48.058 And it doesn't make you a ghostbuster either. 02:23:48.078 --> 02:23:48.758 Okay. 02:23:48.778 --> 02:23:54.001 I think tomorrow we're going to watch this video, but I have a special video for you, uh, from BBC. 02:23:54.761 --> 02:23:55.982 Um, it's called placebo. 02:23:56.462 --> 02:23:58.043 Um, it's a really good video. 02:23:58.383 --> 02:24:00.024 Um, and we'll watch that one tomorrow. 02:24:00.084 --> 02:24:01.425 So thanks very much for being here. 02:24:02.025 --> 02:24:05.007 And tomorrow, I think we're also going to probably watch, um, the, 02:24:06.730 --> 02:24:10.414 the recent interview that everybody's getting all excited about with Stephen Hadfield. 02:24:10.434 --> 02:24:24.410 We'll probably watch it at one and a half speed because I can't stand the guy, but we will watch it and then we'll watch this placebo thing because I think once you see this video, you'll realize why my claim that the US vaccine schedule can only be 02:24:25.131 --> 02:24:26.592 possible because of placebo. 02:24:26.732 --> 02:24:31.654 And the rollout of billions of doses of mRNA can only be possible because of placebo. 02:24:32.194 --> 02:24:39.098 You'll understand why they had shitheads like Sasha Latupova running around the world saying the different batches are different. 02:24:39.138 --> 02:24:43.420 And they had a big paper in Denmark that said different batches are different. 02:24:43.480 --> 02:24:45.761 No, a lot of them are placebo. 02:24:45.801 --> 02:24:46.981 Thanks very much for being here. 02:24:47.562 --> 02:24:49.603 And I definitely will see you again tomorrow. 02:24:52.784 --> 02:24:53.625 Yes, tomorrow. 02:24:53.885 --> 02:24:54.165 Thanks. 02:24:54.185 --> 02:24:54.385 Thanks 02:25:05.133 --> 02:25:13.622 But one thing I am confident of from everything I've read is that this RNA exists, you can capture it, you can sequence it, you can move it to other cells and recapitulate disease.