WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:02.400 Can you thank you very much? 00:02.400 --> 00:03.240 That should be it. 00:12.480 --> 00:14.080 Dang it, dang it, dang it. 00:14.080 --> 00:16.280 How did I screw this time up again? 00:17.320 --> 00:19.080 Always the same crap. 00:20.160 --> 00:21.080 It's no problem. 00:24.360 --> 00:25.960 So, Kooti, yes. 00:27.560 --> 00:29.520 Well, it's okay for you. 00:29.520 --> 00:31.720 Yeah, the sound here is fine for me, as long as you can. 00:31.720 --> 00:32.720 Okay, good, fine. 00:34.120 --> 00:35.400 So, maybe I'm going to begin with the reynion, 00:35.400 --> 00:36.480 as it's still the reynion. 00:40.720 --> 00:42.520 Okay, I'm going to start with the reynion. 00:42.520 --> 00:44.040 I'm going to start with the reynion. 00:44.040 --> 00:45.120 I'm going to start with the reynion. 00:45.120 --> 00:47.280 Okay, I'll start with the reynion. 00:47.280 --> 00:56.600 Same, nine, ark, seven, six, fune, fier, tri, swy, eyns. 00:57.600 --> 01:00.160 Yeah, I'm turning for the reynion. 01:00.160 --> 01:02.120 So, I'm going to start with the reynion. 01:02.120 --> 01:05.120 I know, I'm excited to see the reynion. 01:05.120 --> 01:06.240 I'm going to start with the reynion. 01:06.240 --> 01:08.920 I'm going to start with the reynion. 01:08.920 --> 01:11.200 I'm going to start with the reynion. 01:11.200 --> 01:13.000 Hello, JJ. 01:13.000 --> 01:15.000 I'm glad you're with us. 01:15.000 --> 01:17.600 We had a little bit of a mix up with regards to timing, 01:17.600 --> 01:18.840 but that's no problem. 01:18.840 --> 01:20.800 We are very excited to talk to you. 01:20.800 --> 01:24.840 It would be great if maybe you could introduce yourself. 01:25.720 --> 01:29.240 Yeah, and then we can take it from there. 01:29.240 --> 01:32.440 Thanks very much for having me. 01:32.440 --> 01:37.560 My name is Jonathan Cooey, and I am a recovering academic 01:37.560 --> 01:39.920 neurobiologist. 01:39.920 --> 01:43.520 I had about a, I don't know, a 15 or 20 year career 01:43.520 --> 01:48.560 as an academic biologist before the pandemic started. 01:48.560 --> 01:52.880 And after speaking out against measures and mandates, 01:52.880 --> 01:55.920 I was told to go home from my position 01:55.920 --> 01:58.200 at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine 01:58.200 --> 02:01.000 as a research assistant professor. 02:01.000 --> 02:04.360 And I continued to speak out against the, 02:04.360 --> 02:06.160 I don't know what I would characterize it as, 02:06.160 --> 02:09.200 other than nonsense, the biological nonsense 02:09.200 --> 02:13.040 that was being characterized as a pandemic. 02:13.040 --> 02:14.480 I didn't figure it out right away. 02:14.480 --> 02:18.840 I don't want anybody to think that I came to where I am now 02:18.840 --> 02:21.800 after a few days of thinking about it. 02:21.800 --> 02:26.040 For a very long time in 2020, I was still convinced 02:26.040 --> 02:28.240 that there was a lab leak that was being covered up 02:28.240 --> 02:31.160 and that this was what was happening. 02:31.160 --> 02:35.040 And as my understanding of virology and the biology 02:35.040 --> 02:43.920 underlying the idea of a pandemic started to clarify a little bit, 02:43.920 --> 02:45.440 or I started to clarify it a little bit, 02:45.440 --> 02:49.120 I've come to realize that that's probably not what happened. 02:49.120 --> 02:51.160 And so I've spent my last three years 02:51.160 --> 02:55.640 basically trying to learn enough immunology and virology. 02:55.640 --> 02:59.440 And the biology that I didn't know previous to the pandemic 02:59.440 --> 03:02.280 so that I could understand what really happened. 03:02.280 --> 03:06.480 And so I found myself, how can I say it, 03:06.480 --> 03:09.080 crossing paths with a lot of people. 03:09.080 --> 03:11.360 A lot of people have come to my house in Pittsburgh 03:11.360 --> 03:14.560 to visit and talk to me about this stuff. 03:14.560 --> 03:17.040 And most of the people that have come to visit me 03:17.040 --> 03:18.920 have turned out to be medlers in the sense 03:18.960 --> 03:23.080 that they didn't really have my or my family's best interest in mind. 03:23.080 --> 03:27.120 And so over the last three years, I've come to understand 03:27.120 --> 03:29.960 that most of the people who have stepped up to speak out 03:29.960 --> 03:35.880 have in some way or another been well, been compromised. 03:35.880 --> 03:38.000 And I don't think it's to say that there are bad people. 03:38.000 --> 03:42.440 I think it's to say that something very serious 03:42.440 --> 03:46.840 occurred across the globe, across these Western countries 03:46.840 --> 03:49.760 that involves a government operation. 03:49.760 --> 03:54.040 And that government operation gives a priority to a narrative. 03:54.040 --> 03:59.560 And so people who are in control of this theater 03:59.560 --> 04:02.880 have perpetuated this narrative that a pandemic occurred 04:02.880 --> 04:04.680 and that it's actually not a very bad one. 04:04.680 --> 04:07.200 And it could be much worse in the future. 04:07.200 --> 04:11.240 And I think this is a mythology that they've been trying to install 04:11.240 --> 04:14.920 for a number of years so that our children or the so even worse 04:14.920 --> 04:17.920 that we will teach this mythology to our children 04:17.920 --> 04:19.760 and that they can be governed by it forever. 04:19.760 --> 04:24.720 And I think that's the crossroads that all of humanity is at right now. 04:24.720 --> 04:28.880 And it sounds a bit maybe overdramatic or overdramatic, 04:28.880 --> 04:29.760 but it's really not. 04:29.760 --> 04:34.000 It's really where we are right now. 04:34.000 --> 04:38.160 We need to reevaluate our basic understanding of who we are 04:38.160 --> 04:42.400 as a species and where we fit in the natural world. 04:42.520 --> 04:47.840 And I think we need to start to really introspectively think 04:47.840 --> 04:50.720 about what the idea of a pandemic really is 04:50.720 --> 04:53.760 and what the biology that they claim really is 04:53.760 --> 04:56.760 and then investigate whether or not this biology has 04:56.760 --> 04:58.200 any foundation in reality. 04:58.200 --> 05:01.960 Because I think we will find that a lot of what 05:01.960 --> 05:05.040 is misconstrued as public health is actually 05:05.040 --> 05:09.280 a large mythology that's been thrown on us. 05:09.320 --> 05:13.360 It sounds very scary and it sounds very daunting 05:13.360 --> 05:14.640 to try and penetrate this. 05:14.640 --> 05:17.240 But I think in reality, a lot of people 05:17.240 --> 05:19.800 have felt this inside for a long time. 05:19.800 --> 05:23.800 A lot of academic biologists have the tool set 05:23.800 --> 05:28.840 to understand this deception and just have chosen not 05:28.840 --> 05:34.720 to apply their critical thinking to this particular problem. 05:34.720 --> 05:39.200 And I think that's one of the magics of where I am. 05:39.200 --> 05:41.920 I used to be an academic biologist so I understand 05:41.920 --> 05:46.320 exactly how focused one has to be in order 05:46.320 --> 05:47.840 to succeed in that environment. 05:47.840 --> 05:51.600 And that extreme focus and specialization 05:51.600 --> 05:54.920 has created a bunch of really smart thinkers 05:54.920 --> 05:58.560 that are so hyper focused on one biological problem 05:58.560 --> 06:01.760 that they have essentially undermined themselves 06:01.760 --> 06:03.840 and as responsible adults. 06:03.840 --> 06:08.480 And they can't apply their unique skill set to reality. 06:08.480 --> 06:12.160 They just apply it to this one academic pursuit. 06:12.160 --> 06:14.160 And they take everything else for granted. 06:14.160 --> 06:17.880 And I think that mistake has been made by so many hundreds 06:17.880 --> 06:21.960 of thousands of biologists that have this inherent love 06:21.960 --> 06:24.520 of biology, this inherent, inherent respect 06:24.520 --> 06:26.360 for the sacredness of life. 06:26.360 --> 06:28.280 They have this inherent understanding 06:28.280 --> 06:31.800 of the irreducible complexity that they are knocking 06:31.800 --> 06:33.480 against all the time. 06:33.480 --> 06:36.560 And yet some reason or another because of the way 06:36.560 --> 06:38.720 the academic environment is set up, 06:38.720 --> 06:43.880 people like me who have this intense love of everything 06:43.880 --> 06:47.480 alive can be put in a laboratory. 06:47.480 --> 06:53.560 And that fascination and that love for everything sacred 06:53.560 --> 06:58.360 can be sort of compartmentalized to answer one question. 06:58.360 --> 07:06.120 And in that extreme focus, monastery style focus, 07:06.120 --> 07:08.760 you lose touch with the rest of the world. 07:08.760 --> 07:13.600 And this has resulted in, I think, 07:13.600 --> 07:18.520 the biology of public health being 07:18.520 --> 07:20.320 contorted into what it is today. 07:20.320 --> 07:24.400 And there are no biologists that are in love with biology 07:24.400 --> 07:28.880 that are curating this public health mythology. 07:28.880 --> 07:31.800 None of these people are there for that reason. 07:31.800 --> 07:35.760 They're all there for power, for greed, 07:35.760 --> 07:40.360 for intellectual property, for money. 07:40.360 --> 07:43.320 None of these individuals that have led us 07:43.320 --> 07:47.520 through the last four years are children who 07:47.520 --> 07:50.320 grew up as biologists and teachers who 07:50.320 --> 07:54.280 grew up as biologists and lovers of the natural world. 07:54.280 --> 07:57.240 These are not who we are being led by right now. 07:57.240 --> 08:00.480 We are being led by individuals who, 08:00.480 --> 08:03.160 by wittingly or unwittingly, have given up 08:03.160 --> 08:07.640 the understanding of what it means to be a human 08:07.640 --> 08:09.920 and what it means to understand where 08:09.920 --> 08:12.480 that line of sacredness starts. 08:12.480 --> 08:14.880 When a baby comes out of the womb, it's pretty much perfect. 08:14.880 --> 08:18.120 That idea has been wholly discarded 08:18.120 --> 08:20.400 by our academic biologists. 08:20.400 --> 08:24.280 And that's really a tragedy from which this all comes. 08:24.280 --> 08:26.680 And so it has a really long introduction 08:26.680 --> 08:29.080 that I would say I'm a lifelong biologist who 08:29.080 --> 08:32.000 wandered his way through life trying 08:32.000 --> 08:34.800 to figure out what to do with this extreme fascination 08:34.800 --> 08:36.400 and love for the living world. 08:36.400 --> 08:39.400 And I found myself in academic biology 08:39.400 --> 08:42.400 for a long time asking questions about the brain 08:42.400 --> 08:45.160 and being very happy with that job. 08:45.160 --> 08:47.440 I actually thought it was the most amazing job 08:47.440 --> 08:50.440 because I got to use high-powered electron, 08:50.440 --> 08:52.960 or not electron, but a high-powered microscopes, 08:52.960 --> 08:54.880 high-powered confocal microscopy. 08:54.880 --> 08:56.560 It's a lot of photography. 08:56.560 --> 08:59.720 It's a lot of high-precision measurements. 08:59.720 --> 09:02.360 It's a lot of very interesting things 09:02.360 --> 09:04.800 that include surgery and all this other stuff 09:04.800 --> 09:05.880 that you get to do. 09:05.880 --> 09:08.040 And so it's a really wonderful pursuit 09:08.040 --> 09:10.280 because you really are monastery-style, 09:10.280 --> 09:12.080 focused on a question. 09:12.080 --> 09:15.640 But now the question becomes, is that the right question? 09:15.640 --> 09:19.600 Are you pursuing an avenue which is expanding 09:19.600 --> 09:22.480 our understanding of who we are as a species? 09:22.480 --> 09:24.720 And I believed personally what I was doing 09:24.720 --> 09:26.160 in neuroscience was doing that. 09:26.160 --> 09:29.440 But I also was keenly aware that there were many, many, 09:29.440 --> 09:32.640 many avenues of investigation that we're not doing that. 09:32.640 --> 09:35.640 And not just in neuroscience, but across the board 09:35.640 --> 09:38.200 in the biological sciences in general. 09:38.200 --> 09:42.440 And that's really the unique perspective I think I bring 09:42.440 --> 09:46.240 to this is that I've had my feet on the floor 09:46.240 --> 09:49.440 of a laboratory where grant money is important 09:49.440 --> 09:50.560 for a very long time. 09:50.560 --> 09:54.200 I watched how this, what this does to intelligent people 09:54.200 --> 09:58.200 and how rewarding it feels for them 09:58.200 --> 09:59.720 to succeed in this environment, 09:59.720 --> 10:02.440 but also how isolating it is 10:02.440 --> 10:07.440 and how it takes away the power 10:09.040 --> 10:11.800 that they would have as a leader in their community, 10:11.800 --> 10:12.960 for example. 10:12.960 --> 10:15.560 Most of these people, I'm just babbling here. 10:15.560 --> 10:18.600 Most of these people who are professors 10:18.600 --> 10:22.120 at universities should probably also be community leaders 10:22.120 --> 10:25.040 where maybe they're a mayor or they're a board member 10:25.040 --> 10:28.480 or they influence decision in their community. 10:28.480 --> 10:32.920 But because this academic job is so all encompassing 10:32.920 --> 10:37.320 and so borders on obsession, 10:37.320 --> 10:39.680 they have no extra energy for their children 10:39.680 --> 10:40.880 or for their wife or their marriage. 10:40.880 --> 10:43.800 Nevermind for contributing to the governance 10:43.800 --> 10:44.640 of their community. 10:44.640 --> 10:48.960 So one of the amazing things that this academic, 10:49.880 --> 10:54.360 you know, the ivory tower has done to the way that our, 10:55.680 --> 10:58.440 we govern our communities is that some of the, 10:58.440 --> 11:01.760 who probably would be some of the more respectable leaders, 11:01.760 --> 11:04.360 some of the more articulate leaders 11:04.360 --> 11:06.280 have been taken out of that arena 11:06.280 --> 11:09.160 and put into this, you know, 11:09.160 --> 11:12.000 this rat race ladder climbing exercise 11:12.000 --> 11:13.560 which feels very good to them 11:13.560 --> 11:15.520 because they get to ask these, 11:15.520 --> 11:17.280 what they feel are interesting questions, 11:17.280 --> 11:21.280 but the way that the funding has been used to sculpt 11:21.280 --> 11:25.600 that pursuit for the last 40 years has resulted 11:25.600 --> 11:28.640 in a lot of wasted money, a lot of wasted pursuit 11:28.640 --> 11:31.640 and a lot of bad assumptions 11:31.640 --> 11:34.360 upon which public health is now based. 11:34.360 --> 11:38.360 And so we have many, many years of work 11:38.360 --> 11:43.360 to try to reverse this and the pandemic, 11:43.760 --> 11:47.040 I hope has given us some open windows 11:47.040 --> 11:49.440 with which to show people what's really going on 11:49.440 --> 11:50.640 and what's really happening. 11:50.640 --> 11:54.480 And so I'm hoping that we can maintain this momentum enough 11:54.480 --> 11:58.600 so that we can start to get to a lot of these academic biologists 11:58.600 --> 12:03.120 who as I said earlier have the tool set to crack this puzzle 12:03.120 --> 12:07.160 but haven't yet put any of their critical thinking faculties 12:07.160 --> 12:08.600 toward reality again. 12:08.600 --> 12:10.880 They're still super focused on their, 12:10.920 --> 12:14.360 their academic pursuits because that's what they've told 12:14.360 --> 12:17.480 is the way that they're supposed to contribute to the world. 12:17.480 --> 12:19.080 So that, I don't know how that, 12:19.080 --> 12:20.880 that's the worst introduction I've ever given, 12:20.880 --> 12:21.960 but there it is. 12:22.920 --> 12:23.760 That's all right. 12:23.760 --> 12:26.680 I think it's right on the point basically. 12:26.680 --> 12:28.600 So would you think that because, 12:28.600 --> 12:31.600 I mean, since there's a lot of grant money involved, 12:31.600 --> 12:36.160 so people, you say it's maybe also limiting their, 12:36.160 --> 12:38.040 you know, the approach they take 12:38.040 --> 12:41.200 to what they, the field that they maybe do research in 12:41.200 --> 12:45.520 because there's money only for this kind of research and so on. 12:45.520 --> 12:50.520 So that also makes a limits, you know, the fields where you, 12:51.080 --> 12:53.480 and maybe it's also an incentive, 12:53.480 --> 12:56.840 an incentive for maybe even coming out with like say, 12:56.840 --> 13:00.840 fraudulent or like manipulated statistics and so on 13:00.840 --> 13:02.960 because you, you think, oh, it has to be, 13:02.960 --> 13:05.360 there's more, more grants coming up if I say, 13:05.360 --> 13:06.760 oh, there's long COVID and I have, 13:06.760 --> 13:08.960 we have to do this and that or so. 13:08.960 --> 13:10.880 That's also a distortion. 13:10.880 --> 13:12.280 It's definitely spot on. 13:12.280 --> 13:15.480 I think that, that, that I can give you several examples 13:15.480 --> 13:17.760 where this is actually the primary mechanism 13:17.760 --> 13:22.760 by which these, these idea spaces are, are sculpted. 13:23.000 --> 13:27.480 And so one example might be the genetic causes of autism. 13:27.480 --> 13:31.600 If you fund $1 billion to investigate genetic correlations 13:31.600 --> 13:36.040 with autism and you, you, you use these grants 13:36.040 --> 13:38.320 to do a couple different things. 13:38.320 --> 13:42.320 Number one, you use these grants to tell people like me 13:42.320 --> 13:44.240 what the right question to ask is. 13:44.240 --> 13:48.560 Now, if I'm an academic biologist, I need to find money. 13:48.560 --> 13:50.640 And so I've got to look for grant calls 13:50.640 --> 13:53.800 and every grant call has a specific little limited window 13:53.800 --> 13:56.880 of investigation that your question should fall under. 13:56.880 --> 14:00.760 And in this respect of genetic causes of autism 14:00.760 --> 14:05.160 has caused an entire field of neuroscience 14:05.160 --> 14:10.160 to almost completely transform into the assumption 14:10.520 --> 14:14.360 that autism is caused exclusively by genes. 14:14.360 --> 14:17.800 And so there has been so much investigation 14:17.800 --> 14:21.400 into correlation in animal models of autism, 14:21.400 --> 14:24.520 which are another thing that get, 14:24.520 --> 14:27.840 that get, essentially they get codified or, 14:27.840 --> 14:30.440 or canonized by these grant calls 14:30.440 --> 14:33.200 because after five years of funding research 14:33.240 --> 14:35.760 into the genetic causes of autism, 14:35.760 --> 14:38.600 you've also funded five years of research 14:38.600 --> 14:41.120 into animal models of autism. 14:41.120 --> 14:45.280 And by, by no fault of their own 14:45.280 --> 14:47.320 have made these legitimate models, 14:47.320 --> 14:49.520 legitimate models because all these papers 14:49.520 --> 14:51.480 from the previous years have come out. 14:51.480 --> 14:55.360 And so now there's a whole field that has precedence. 14:55.360 --> 14:58.000 And these models have precedence so that you can say, 14:58.000 --> 15:00.760 well, this guy did this study and this guy 15:00.760 --> 15:02.600 and this lady did this study. 15:02.600 --> 15:06.720 And so I'm following on the footsteps of their work. 15:06.720 --> 15:09.760 And so this pattern of building up 15:09.760 --> 15:13.480 the scientific literature has resulted in whole fields 15:13.480 --> 15:16.000 which are essentially probably working 15:16.000 --> 15:17.720 on the wrong assumption set, 15:17.720 --> 15:21.040 but have perpetuated because there is this literature 15:21.040 --> 15:24.720 foundation that they can use to justify what they're doing 15:24.720 --> 15:27.720 and what they're doing still fits 15:27.720 --> 15:30.080 within these grant research calls 15:30.080 --> 15:32.520 and these broad, not broad, 15:32.520 --> 15:35.000 but very limited spectrums of investigation 15:35.000 --> 15:36.760 that are established by the grant calls. 15:36.760 --> 15:40.480 And so it is of utmost importance to understand 15:40.480 --> 15:43.440 that the vast majority of academic neuroscientists, 15:43.440 --> 15:46.720 academic biologists, anybody that's investigating 15:46.720 --> 15:50.880 a medical thing is investigating a question 15:50.880 --> 15:53.560 that has been, they have been pigeonholed 15:53.560 --> 15:56.320 into asking because of who they studied with, 15:56.320 --> 15:59.360 what they did in their PhD, why they did their postdoc, 15:59.360 --> 16:04.200 these things already start to limit the sliver of biology 16:04.200 --> 16:05.560 that people can investigate. 16:05.560 --> 16:09.480 And then once they start trying to solicit their own money, 16:09.480 --> 16:12.600 they almost are forced to work on things 16:12.600 --> 16:14.080 that they worked on in the past 16:14.080 --> 16:15.960 in order to justify their expertise. 16:15.960 --> 16:19.000 And then lo and behold, you've got a whole world 16:19.000 --> 16:22.000 full of academic biologists that specialize 16:22.000 --> 16:25.400 in a sliver of knowledge and a sliver of investigation. 16:25.400 --> 16:27.480 And by definition, are very careful 16:27.480 --> 16:29.200 about not stepping outside of that 16:29.200 --> 16:31.520 so that nobody can criticize them. 16:31.520 --> 16:32.680 And so this is... 16:32.680 --> 16:34.280 There's also a lot of angst involved. 16:34.280 --> 16:35.640 Absolutely there is. 16:35.640 --> 16:38.320 And in fact, that's a lot of how these fields work 16:38.320 --> 16:41.600 is that you become an expert in your sub-field, 16:41.600 --> 16:43.800 of this sub-field and then everybody cites you 16:43.800 --> 16:45.680 and they need to cite that thing, 16:45.680 --> 16:47.200 but they don't investigate it 16:47.200 --> 16:49.280 because they know that you're doing it. 16:49.280 --> 16:52.600 And so as long as this little, you know, 16:52.600 --> 16:57.200 monastery system of biology continues, 16:57.200 --> 17:00.120 then with certain funding streams 17:00.120 --> 17:02.280 and with certain priorities, 17:02.280 --> 17:07.280 they can perpetuate the idea that public health is X, Y, and Z, 17:07.400 --> 17:11.480 that pandemic potential can be measured with X, Y, and Z. 17:11.480 --> 17:16.120 And after 10 years, they have a literature foundation 17:16.120 --> 17:18.760 which can be pointed to as pandemic potential. 17:18.760 --> 17:21.480 And I think that's one of the tricks 17:21.480 --> 17:23.800 that has been pulled on us since about, 17:23.800 --> 17:27.160 I would say 2002, where they have slowly 17:27.160 --> 17:32.160 but surely led academic biologists, 17:32.560 --> 17:35.720 led bureaucrats and led the common populace 17:35.720 --> 17:38.200 into believing that RNA, 17:38.200 --> 17:41.160 if it has the right combination of bases, 17:41.160 --> 17:44.000 can perpetuate itself around the world 17:44.000 --> 17:45.600 with high fidelity for many years. 17:45.600 --> 17:48.280 And that's just biologically not true. 17:48.280 --> 17:52.440 RNA cannot make a protein 17:52.440 --> 17:56.360 and then copy itself and then jump from people to people 17:56.360 --> 18:00.320 without changing its sequence for hundreds of infections 18:00.320 --> 18:05.320 over millions of, the story that they've told us 18:05.320 --> 18:07.800 is not possible using RNA. 18:07.800 --> 18:11.840 It's just not, you can't leak RNA in a puddle 18:11.840 --> 18:14.600 and then have it get into one person's lungs 18:14.600 --> 18:19.080 and then some mechanism by which that RNA copies itself 18:19.080 --> 18:20.920 with high enough fidelity to be found 18:20.920 --> 18:24.280 in several places around the world with few changes. 18:24.280 --> 18:25.840 And then a few months later, 18:25.840 --> 18:29.200 many more places around the world with very few changes. 18:29.200 --> 18:31.280 This level of fidelity, 18:31.280 --> 18:34.440 there is no support for this in the biological literature. 18:34.440 --> 18:39.440 There is support for signals in this size scale. 18:40.880 --> 18:44.920 There is support for genetic signals of DNA and RNA 18:44.920 --> 18:47.640 in the background, but what they've done 18:47.680 --> 18:52.160 is essentially turned up the volume on a ham radio 18:52.160 --> 18:54.720 that's picking up noise from the atmosphere 18:54.720 --> 18:56.640 and then turned it up loud enough 18:56.640 --> 18:59.400 so that they could use an algorithm to say in that noise, 18:59.400 --> 19:01.320 there's some order. 19:01.320 --> 19:05.560 And we have been allowed, 19:05.560 --> 19:07.400 they have been allowed to get away with it 19:07.400 --> 19:09.920 because of the way that academic biology 19:09.920 --> 19:14.920 is in this monastery style, hyperspecialized. 19:15.480 --> 19:17.760 And then they've controlled that specialization. 19:17.760 --> 19:20.320 How many people work on coronaviruses? 19:20.320 --> 19:22.920 How many people work on RNA viruses? 19:22.920 --> 19:24.960 Not very many. 19:24.960 --> 19:27.520 And the ones that work on the ones that matter 19:27.520 --> 19:29.600 for purposes of pandemic 19:29.600 --> 19:33.120 and purposes of establishing pandemic potential, 19:33.120 --> 19:35.520 the list is extremely short. 19:36.560 --> 19:37.920 And the same people have- 19:37.920 --> 19:38.920 How many people? 19:38.920 --> 19:39.760 Sorry. 19:39.760 --> 19:42.960 I mean, it's less than 20. 19:42.960 --> 19:44.320 It's less than 15. 19:44.320 --> 19:47.720 Like worldwide, you think it's like 20 scientists 19:47.720 --> 19:49.680 to control this narrative? 19:49.680 --> 19:53.480 I mean, it's certainly less than 20 scientists 19:53.480 --> 19:55.800 that control the clones. 19:55.800 --> 19:58.360 And so that's the part of this 19:58.360 --> 20:01.080 that I think everybody essentially is missing 20:01.080 --> 20:06.120 and the part that I feel as though I want to be challenged on. 20:06.120 --> 20:09.760 I want some molecular biologist to come and say that I'm wrong. 20:09.760 --> 20:14.000 But essentially, what I feel like has ruined my life 20:14.000 --> 20:16.680 is not coming out against the lab leak 20:16.680 --> 20:18.000 or saying it's a lab leak. 20:18.000 --> 20:20.680 It's not coming out and saying the natural immunity 20:20.680 --> 20:25.240 to previous RNAs is more than adequate 20:25.240 --> 20:29.160 to protect us from this new one, if there is a new one. 20:29.160 --> 20:31.160 And that didn't ruin my life either. 20:31.160 --> 20:35.720 What ruined my life was when I started to say out loud 20:35.720 --> 20:37.880 that RNA can't pandemic, 20:37.880 --> 20:42.080 that RNA can't copy itself even once, 20:42.080 --> 20:44.400 it can't copy itself perfectly. 20:44.400 --> 20:46.920 DNA, because it's double-stranded, 20:46.920 --> 20:50.400 has this built-in ability to, 20:50.400 --> 20:54.560 it shows its errors because the double helix doesn't complete. 20:54.560 --> 20:57.080 At least that's how the cartoon is told to us. 20:57.080 --> 20:59.560 And there are other accessory enzymes 20:59.560 --> 21:02.320 that can come along and repair those errors. 21:02.320 --> 21:07.320 And so copying DNA into more DNA is thought to be 21:08.320 --> 21:12.160 from a biology perspective, a very high fidelity process. 21:12.160 --> 21:15.160 But copying RNA is actually something 21:15.160 --> 21:17.200 that isn't done very often. 21:17.200 --> 21:19.320 And so when it is done in the context 21:19.320 --> 21:23.880 of the virology cartoon, it is done in two different contexts. 21:23.880 --> 21:26.800 One is the negative strand RNA virus 21:26.800 --> 21:30.360 where they have to have an enzyme along with them. 21:30.360 --> 21:34.240 Because a negative strand RNA, like in a measles virus, 21:34.240 --> 21:37.520 can't be immediately converted into a protein 21:37.520 --> 21:39.480 by hijacking our machinery. 21:39.480 --> 21:42.840 Because it's a negative strand RNA, it doesn't work. 21:42.840 --> 21:47.920 So they need to have built into the viral a protein 21:47.920 --> 21:51.560 that can copy that RNA into a positive strand RNA 21:51.560 --> 21:54.440 which can run through our ribosome. 21:54.440 --> 21:57.120 So it's an interesting cartoon already. 21:57.120 --> 22:01.240 When you contrast the cartoon of a flu virus 22:01.240 --> 22:03.320 there are a measles virus which needs to have 22:03.320 --> 22:06.520 a built in protein enzyme already present 22:06.520 --> 22:11.120 in every variant that's gonna be infectious 22:11.120 --> 22:13.640 versus a coronavirus that actually doesn't 22:13.640 --> 22:16.600 because it's a positive strand, single stranded RNA 22:16.600 --> 22:20.520 and it actually, supposedly contains an RNA code 22:20.520 --> 22:22.880 for the RNA dependent RNA polymerase. 22:22.880 --> 22:25.560 And so it doesn't have one in the viral 22:25.560 --> 22:27.920 but instead it makes one. 22:27.920 --> 22:31.000 And then that enzyme is supposed to copy 22:31.040 --> 22:32.800 and make new viruses. 22:32.800 --> 22:37.800 So in these two sort of illustrations, 22:39.160 --> 22:41.200 what you don't hear and what you don't see 22:41.200 --> 22:45.480 is that every single time the RNA dependent RNA polymerase 22:45.480 --> 22:49.320 makes a copy of that RNA by definition there are errors. 22:49.320 --> 22:54.320 It has to be, that is the foundational understanding 22:54.320 --> 22:55.160 of how this works. 22:55.160 --> 22:57.440 There's can't be proofreading. 22:57.440 --> 23:02.440 There is a accessory protein called exon exon 23:03.520 --> 23:07.360 that supposedly can increase the fidelity 23:07.360 --> 23:10.920 of coronavirus genome replication 23:10.920 --> 23:12.560 but it's not proofreading. 23:12.560 --> 23:15.720 It can't be proofreading because there's a very, 23:15.720 --> 23:17.080 it's not even really well understood 23:17.080 --> 23:21.400 but there's ever a double stranded RNA moment 23:21.400 --> 23:24.000 during the copying of the RNA in these things 23:24.000 --> 23:26.200 because we don't understand very well how this works. 23:26.200 --> 23:29.960 But the point would be that what they have described to us 23:30.960 --> 23:35.960 is a phenomenon where an RNA with a 30,000 base pair genome 23:37.040 --> 23:42.040 could be found in Iran, in Wuhan, in Washington state 23:42.040 --> 23:46.840 and in Italy and that a few months later 23:46.840 --> 23:50.040 it could be found in New York and in Florida 23:50.040 --> 23:54.360 and in Oklahoma and that relatively speaking 23:54.360 --> 23:58.240 that RNA signal would be almost identical 23:58.240 --> 24:02.720 across 30,000 bases, across all these different measurements 24:02.720 --> 24:06.560 and that has no precedence in the history of biology. 24:06.560 --> 24:10.280 There's no, not one paper that has ever demonstrated 24:10.280 --> 24:12.080 that this is even remotely possible 24:12.080 --> 24:14.720 and we have to understand what they've implied. 24:14.720 --> 24:18.600 They've implied millions of infections 24:18.600 --> 24:22.080 by the same RNA virus that originated from a point 24:23.080 --> 24:26.840 and that's just, it's the unfathomability, 24:26.840 --> 24:30.520 it's just so beyond absurd 24:30.520 --> 24:34.720 and then the spectacular commitment to this is what happened, 24:34.720 --> 24:40.720 it just reveals the thing for what it is. 24:40.720 --> 24:43.480 And so here's where we go full circle that I apologize, 24:43.480 --> 24:46.040 I almost lost track of my thoughts. 24:46.040 --> 24:50.440 If RNA can't do this, then what's really going on? 24:50.520 --> 24:53.520 Well, for the last 30 years, 24:53.520 --> 24:55.840 RNA viruses have been very difficult, 24:55.840 --> 24:59.360 if not impossible, to grow in culture. 24:59.360 --> 25:01.480 I'm not an expert on flu virus, 25:01.480 --> 25:04.920 but it does seem to be that flu viruses, 25:04.920 --> 25:08.960 flu virologists say that they can grow flu virus in cultures 25:08.960 --> 25:11.320 and in eggs and then they get a lot more flu virus. 25:11.320 --> 25:13.960 So I can't argue and I won't argue, 25:13.960 --> 25:16.080 I'm not sophisticated enough to argue with that, 25:16.080 --> 25:18.600 but what I will argue with is that what they grow there 25:18.680 --> 25:25.520 is a very heterogeneous, very mixed bag of RNA exosomes 25:25.520 --> 25:31.160 or RNA particles, it's not a high fidelity version 25:31.160 --> 25:34.520 of the flu and that's because of the way 25:34.520 --> 25:37.000 that these genes are copied 25:37.000 --> 25:38.440 and the way they sort themselves out. 25:38.440 --> 25:41.160 But it may be something that's useful 25:41.160 --> 25:42.680 for exposing your immune system, 25:42.680 --> 25:46.880 but my point is that when they study these viruses 25:46.960 --> 25:49.000 and it includes the flu, 25:49.000 --> 25:52.280 that a very standard procedure for these RNA signals 25:52.280 --> 25:53.800 is to convert them to DNA 25:53.800 --> 25:56.360 so that you can always go back to that sequence. 25:56.360 --> 25:57.640 And why is that important? 25:57.640 --> 26:00.320 Well, because it's not natural. 26:00.320 --> 26:04.080 If you sample whatever these RNA signals are 26:04.080 --> 26:06.680 from a bat or from a pangolin, 26:06.680 --> 26:12.040 you are basically using a very tiny PCR amplicon 26:12.040 --> 26:14.120 to be a flag for the existence 26:14.120 --> 26:18.560 of what you assume to be a 30,000 base pair genome. 26:18.560 --> 26:21.240 Once you get that very small amplicon flag, 26:21.240 --> 26:22.880 you say, oh yeah, there it is. 26:22.880 --> 26:27.960 And so then you use a fishing method to turn up the noise 26:27.960 --> 26:30.360 and then you look for a signal that fits 26:30.360 --> 26:34.440 a preconceived notion of what a coronavirus is. 26:34.440 --> 26:37.560 When you find it, you can't do anything about it. 26:37.560 --> 26:39.160 You can't grow that in a dish. 26:39.160 --> 26:41.240 You can't put it in a cell culture 26:41.240 --> 26:43.240 and grow enough of it to send all around the world 26:43.240 --> 26:45.800 because that's really not how they work. 26:45.800 --> 26:49.440 And instead, and they're trying to blame it on Ralph Barrick, 26:49.440 --> 26:52.000 but I think that's a little bit of a fudge 26:52.000 --> 26:53.920 in the sense of this molecular biology 26:53.920 --> 26:55.440 has been around for a very long time 26:55.440 --> 26:57.640 and applying it to these particular sequences 26:57.640 --> 26:59.160 is not that big a deal. 26:59.160 --> 27:04.200 We have known how to take different DNA pieces 27:04.200 --> 27:07.080 and stitch them together using endonucleases. 27:07.080 --> 27:09.840 We've known this for a very long time. 27:09.840 --> 27:12.800 Molecular biologists have been putting together 27:12.800 --> 27:15.840 different sequences of DNA for decades now. 27:15.840 --> 27:20.840 And so using this to make a 30,000 base pair genome 27:21.840 --> 27:24.600 of a coronavirus and then grow a lot of that DNA 27:24.600 --> 27:27.160 is a very normal baking procedure 27:27.160 --> 27:31.840 in pharmaceutical companies when they make antibodies. 27:31.840 --> 27:33.720 They have to do a very similar thing. 27:35.120 --> 27:39.360 Making biologic oftentimes involves making a DNA construct 27:39.360 --> 27:40.760 and then the protein comes from it. 27:40.760 --> 27:43.520 But the intermediate there is an RNA. 27:43.520 --> 27:46.280 And so the way that they've made this shot for everybody, 27:46.280 --> 27:50.800 the transfection shot is just simply a bacterial culture 27:50.800 --> 27:54.240 that makes the DNA and the DNA is, 27:54.240 --> 27:56.720 they lice the culture, they take the DNA out 27:56.720 --> 27:59.720 and then they put an RNA polymerase on it, 27:59.720 --> 28:02.800 they make the RNA, they purify the RNA as best they can 28:02.800 --> 28:04.920 and then they injected that into people 28:04.920 --> 28:07.240 after they combined it with a lipid nanoparticle. 28:07.240 --> 28:09.800 The point is is that the only way, 28:09.800 --> 28:12.560 the only way they've been able to study coronaviruses 28:12.560 --> 28:14.640 is if they start from a DNA construct 28:14.640 --> 28:16.560 that they make RNA clones from. 28:16.560 --> 28:20.760 And so all of these papers that have ever studied SARS-1, 28:20.760 --> 28:22.480 for example, you can look this up, 28:22.480 --> 28:25.600 a lot of these papers start with SARS-Urbani. 28:25.600 --> 28:28.280 SARS-Urbani is a sequence of SARS-1 28:28.280 --> 28:31.920 taken from a guy named Urbani in 2003 or 2002 28:32.800 --> 28:35.600 and they constructed a DNA clone of it. 28:35.600 --> 28:38.960 And then they generated RNA from that DNA clone. 28:39.800 --> 28:42.720 And now if you think very carefully about what happens 28:42.720 --> 28:45.600 when the natural virus is put into a cell culture 28:45.600 --> 28:48.280 or natural viruses sampled in nature, 28:48.280 --> 28:53.080 you have an RNA that's being copied by an RNA polymerase. 28:53.080 --> 28:55.200 When they make clones, they have a DNA 28:55.200 --> 28:58.880 that's being translated into RNA by an RNA polymerase, 28:58.880 --> 29:01.280 not an RNA dependent RNA polymerase, 29:01.280 --> 29:03.720 but an RNA polymerase that's designed to work 29:03.720 --> 29:07.720 or has evolved to work from DNA to RNA. 29:07.760 --> 29:10.880 And so that copying process is a little bit higher fidelity 29:10.880 --> 29:13.840 and more importantly, the template is higher fidelity. 29:14.880 --> 29:17.440 The enzyme doesn't jump off of DNA 29:17.440 --> 29:19.880 when it's making the RNA because that would make, 29:19.880 --> 29:22.920 that would be a big problem for us and making proteins. 29:22.920 --> 29:27.360 But the RNA dependent RNA polymerase is already well known 29:27.360 --> 29:31.120 to have a propensity to make many, many, many short genomic 29:31.120 --> 29:33.800 sequences of RNA as it copies the genome 29:33.800 --> 29:37.760 and almost never makes it from beginning to end 29:37.760 --> 29:42.080 of the original RNA and that can be seen in experiments 29:42.080 --> 29:43.920 from the 70s all the way up until now. 29:43.920 --> 29:45.720 No matter how they measurement, 29:45.720 --> 29:48.120 the full genome almost never gets copied 29:48.120 --> 29:50.000 and hundreds of thousands of copies 29:50.000 --> 29:53.160 of the sub-genomic RNAs are present after this happens. 29:53.160 --> 29:56.400 So again, the point is, is that whenever they've tried 29:56.400 --> 29:59.800 to sample these RNA signals from the wild, 29:59.800 --> 30:03.400 they peter out, they disappear, they collapse, 30:03.400 --> 30:05.560 there might have been a signal in the animal, 30:05.560 --> 30:07.960 there might have been a signal in the sick person, 30:07.960 --> 30:09.960 but they're never able to reconstruct 30:09.960 --> 30:13.280 and sustain this signal in any laboratory preparation 30:13.280 --> 30:18.280 because of the nature of RNA copying its lack of fidelity 30:21.120 --> 30:26.120 and the sort of erroneous nature of RNA dependent RNA polymerases 30:26.120 --> 30:27.920 the way that they work. 30:27.920 --> 30:32.400 And so they bypass this whole problem 30:32.400 --> 30:36.200 by taking whatever signal they purport to find in nature 30:36.200 --> 30:39.840 and making an RNA construct and always starting from there 30:39.840 --> 30:44.840 because then when they inject that infectious RNA 30:45.080 --> 30:48.680 into the animal, they are injecting a concentration 30:48.680 --> 30:53.440 and purity of full genome RNAs that could never, 30:53.440 --> 30:56.960 ever, ever, ever, ever be found in nature, 30:56.960 --> 31:00.800 could never occur in nature, could never exist in nature 31:00.800 --> 31:03.560 because again, RNA dependent RNA polymerase 31:03.560 --> 31:05.840 can't copy RNA like that. 31:05.840 --> 31:07.600 But if you take a DNA copy of it 31:07.600 --> 31:11.320 and then use a commercial version of RNA polymerase, 31:11.320 --> 31:16.320 you can make a very, very large, relatively pure amount 31:19.200 --> 31:23.360 of self-replicating RNA that you can put in an animal, 31:23.360 --> 31:25.200 you can send around the world, 31:25.200 --> 31:27.800 you can put on cell culture and the cell culture 31:27.800 --> 31:30.840 will make lots more RNA. 31:30.840 --> 31:35.840 And so all of the basic biology of virology 31:35.920 --> 31:39.240 can be of coronavirus virology can be recreated 31:39.240 --> 31:42.360 using these clones, but these clones, I'm arguing, 31:42.360 --> 31:46.920 are nowhere near related to whatever RNA signal 31:46.920 --> 31:48.680 they purport to be finding in nature. 31:48.680 --> 31:51.440 It just can't be possible, it's not. 31:51.440 --> 31:54.480 And this is, on the other hand, 31:54.480 --> 31:57.480 I hope that eventually I can shut up, 31:57.480 --> 32:02.480 is that this is the easy right in front of our hand, 32:02.760 --> 32:04.840 right in front of our face explanation 32:04.840 --> 32:07.240 for how this sequence could have been found 32:07.240 --> 32:10.120 in so many places at the same time. 32:10.120 --> 32:13.400 Because this is how coronavirus biology is done. 32:13.400 --> 32:15.760 If you wanted five labs in the world 32:15.760 --> 32:17.760 to work on your new coronavirus, 32:17.760 --> 32:19.840 the way that Ralph Barrick would do it 32:19.840 --> 32:22.000 is he would make a CDNA clone of it, 32:22.000 --> 32:24.360 he would produce enough infectious RNA 32:24.360 --> 32:25.880 to send around to all these labs 32:25.920 --> 32:28.200 and they'd all get a perfect sample. 32:28.200 --> 32:30.800 And that's indeed what they've done with SARS-CoV-2 32:30.800 --> 32:31.960 and some of these variants, 32:31.960 --> 32:33.840 that's what they've done with Omicron, 32:33.840 --> 32:35.720 that's what they do with a pangolin virus 32:35.720 --> 32:38.240 that they're now saying was 100% lethal 32:38.240 --> 32:42.520 in the ACE2, or human ACE2 mice that they put it in, 32:42.520 --> 32:46.280 they are confounding all of these different assumptions 32:46.280 --> 32:50.080 together and the result is a mythology 32:50.080 --> 32:51.520 that we're supposed to teach our kids, 32:51.520 --> 32:53.520 which is that RNA can pandemic 32:53.560 --> 32:55.840 and this was an easy one 32:55.840 --> 32:58.280 and the next one could be much worse. 32:58.280 --> 33:00.080 I don't even remember what the question was anymore, 33:00.080 --> 33:04.200 holy cow, Wolfgang, can I just say 33:04.200 --> 33:09.040 that you probably saved my life and the life of my family 33:09.040 --> 33:11.360 because you spoke out in 2020, 33:11.360 --> 33:15.680 you were the first guy I saw your work in 2009, 33:15.680 --> 33:20.600 is heroic, I also heard a presentation by Mark von Braunst, 33:20.600 --> 33:22.560 the guy from Belgium a few years later 33:22.560 --> 33:24.760 where he trashed you and said that, 33:24.760 --> 33:28.120 oh, he was a terrible guy for speaking out in 2009 33:28.120 --> 33:32.440 and I just can't thank you enough 33:32.440 --> 33:35.960 for the rest of the earth for having done what you did 33:35.960 --> 33:38.800 and I hope I'm doing a little bit 33:38.800 --> 33:41.680 of justice to your work 33:41.680 --> 33:44.160 because I'm really only inspired by you 33:44.160 --> 33:47.080 and Mike Eden and a couple other heroes, seriously. 33:47.080 --> 33:50.680 I'm so much fascinated because you know the details 33:50.680 --> 33:53.800 and you know the many people who know many details 33:53.800 --> 33:57.280 and you have an overview of all those specialists 33:57.280 --> 34:00.680 you have met and you know how they think 34:00.680 --> 34:02.280 and it's great for me. 34:02.280 --> 34:04.680 I'm just a practitioner. 34:04.680 --> 34:08.560 I'm just someone having being responsible for human lives 34:08.560 --> 34:13.400 as a public health guy who wanted to do the best he can 34:13.400 --> 34:15.720 and I'm a critical man 34:15.720 --> 34:20.720 and this is the only, you know this, 34:20.720 --> 34:26.120 when we enter this region of molecules, 34:26.120 --> 34:28.600 when we start to explain what we experience 34:28.600 --> 34:33.000 and what life is concentrated on molecules, 34:33.000 --> 34:36.480 I get lost, I get really lost 34:36.480 --> 34:39.800 and I go back and I say, what can we observe? 34:39.800 --> 34:40.920 What's happening? 34:40.920 --> 34:42.800 How long, what is the virus? 34:42.800 --> 34:45.680 Did they exist 100 years ago already? 34:45.680 --> 34:48.960 What function does viruses have in life 34:48.960 --> 34:51.840 and life is a very, very perfect thing? 34:51.840 --> 34:55.440 I'm a fan of Maturama, you know him, I think. 34:55.440 --> 34:59.680 Yes, and so I know about this communication process 34:59.680 --> 35:02.080 is in life theoretically. 35:02.080 --> 35:05.680 I'm not interested in the details of molecules. 35:05.680 --> 35:08.480 I cannot manage, it's too much 35:08.480 --> 35:12.840 but I think there is, life is so much more 35:12.840 --> 35:16.280 I think there is, life is so much more clever 35:16.280 --> 35:20.920 than only human beings can be. 35:20.920 --> 35:24.920 So we, you said something very, very important for me, 35:24.920 --> 35:26.960 this was a gift already. 35:26.960 --> 35:30.080 You said the in irreducible complexity of life, 35:30.080 --> 35:31.160 this is what you said. 35:32.160 --> 35:34.720 And I think this is a great word. 35:34.720 --> 35:39.720 And if you think this irreducibility of complexity, 35:40.720 --> 35:45.480 we just have to step back and have to, 35:45.480 --> 35:49.040 why do we, what do we need for having a good life? 35:50.240 --> 35:51.080 What do we need? 35:51.080 --> 35:53.920 Do we need all those details? 35:53.920 --> 35:55.680 Can we have a manage? 35:57.000 --> 35:59.360 What is with artificial intelligence? 36:00.760 --> 36:03.680 It's not artificial, it's stunned by man, 36:03.680 --> 36:04.960 this is artificial. 36:06.120 --> 36:09.000 And this, those weak part of biology, 36:09.000 --> 36:10.840 like we are human beings, 36:10.840 --> 36:14.560 it's a very small part of biology, we live. 36:14.560 --> 36:16.280 When I look out of the window, there is, 36:16.280 --> 36:18.240 there is the sea, there is the trees, 36:18.240 --> 36:22.760 there is so many living varieties, 36:22.760 --> 36:25.400 I will never catch, I will never understand. 36:26.520 --> 36:30.600 And we just go to work, we just learn something, 36:30.600 --> 36:34.320 we use this something, we have our attention in, 36:35.320 --> 36:40.320 this makes me very, take back my mind, 36:41.200 --> 36:44.520 I don't know, you, how do you say it? 36:44.520 --> 36:48.320 I'm cautious that I don't know so much, 36:49.240 --> 36:54.000 but I know there is something very well functioning. 36:54.000 --> 36:55.520 And when we think we can make it better, 36:55.520 --> 36:57.440 we do many mistakes for sure. 36:57.440 --> 36:59.880 Oh yes, and I think that's a perfect segue 36:59.880 --> 37:01.680 into what I was gonna say is that, 37:01.680 --> 37:05.280 I've been trying to come up with a few messages 37:05.280 --> 37:08.080 that non-biologists can understand, 37:08.080 --> 37:11.000 and one of the ones that I think is resonating 37:11.000 --> 37:15.120 with a lot of people right now is intramuscular injection 37:15.120 --> 37:17.440 of any combination of substances, 37:17.440 --> 37:21.040 with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb. 37:21.040 --> 37:23.360 And the reason why I love that phrase so much 37:23.360 --> 37:28.200 is because it gets back to the idea of what they are implying 37:28.200 --> 37:30.360 when they say that they can give, you know, 37:30.360 --> 37:34.080 30 injections to my kid before age six months. 37:34.080 --> 37:37.960 And they are implying that this incredibly complex, 37:37.960 --> 37:42.280 irreducibly complex system, that is the immune system, 37:42.280 --> 37:44.800 has sufficiently understood that they can put 37:44.800 --> 37:48.280 a combination of things in the muscle of your child 37:48.280 --> 37:49.800 to augment that system. 37:49.800 --> 37:54.120 And that is the level of audacity there, 37:54.120 --> 37:56.280 and arrogance is really extraordinary, 37:56.280 --> 37:58.280 but that's really where we are right now. 37:58.360 --> 38:00.360 And then the worst part is, 38:00.360 --> 38:03.160 is that it's now not even a combination of substances, 38:03.160 --> 38:05.640 but it's an actual genetic signal. 38:05.640 --> 38:10.640 And in a toxic envelope that we have even had the audacity 38:10.920 --> 38:13.200 to say is relatively equivalent 38:13.200 --> 38:16.160 to the previous combinations of terrible substances 38:16.160 --> 38:17.600 that we've been injecting, 38:17.600 --> 38:20.120 when in reality it's nowhere near equivalent. 38:20.120 --> 38:25.120 And in fact, it probably makes these previous concoctions 38:25.600 --> 38:27.440 look relatively benign, 38:27.440 --> 38:29.960 because they are just, you know, some heavy metals 38:29.960 --> 38:32.080 or some toxins that your body has challenged 38:32.080 --> 38:34.560 and your immune system is confused by. 38:34.560 --> 38:39.560 But this, where you start to make your biology behave 38:40.560 --> 38:44.640 differently and really potentially confuse your immune system, 38:44.640 --> 38:47.440 that I don't think the immune system is ever confused 38:47.440 --> 38:49.480 by an intramuscular injection of aluminum 38:49.480 --> 38:51.760 plus some proteins that all that crap 38:51.760 --> 38:53.320 is not supposed to be here. 38:53.320 --> 38:57.360 But once you've transfected random cells in your body 38:57.360 --> 38:59.520 to express a protein, 38:59.520 --> 39:02.360 it becomes a very much more, in my humble opinion, 39:02.360 --> 39:05.400 diabolical signal that is much more challenging 39:05.400 --> 39:08.960 for the immune system to sort out without making a mistake. 39:08.960 --> 39:10.520 And this is... 39:10.520 --> 39:13.400 I was so much interested when I was working 39:13.400 --> 39:18.400 with a group of biologists or human genetic geneticists 39:18.840 --> 39:20.760 genetic geneticists, 39:20.760 --> 39:25.680 and they were advising people with inborn defects, 39:25.680 --> 39:27.160 genetic defects. 39:27.160 --> 39:30.360 So they are the children that cannot produce certain proteins 39:30.360 --> 39:31.840 they need for their life, 39:31.840 --> 39:35.360 and they tried to genetically modify those children 39:35.360 --> 39:38.920 so that they can build the protein they needed. 39:38.920 --> 39:42.000 And they found out that after two years 39:42.000 --> 39:44.840 or after some time, they... 39:44.840 --> 39:48.280 Before they started producing the protein, they needed. 39:48.280 --> 39:50.560 It was okay, but after some time, 39:50.560 --> 39:53.000 after some months or some years, 39:53.000 --> 39:55.640 this process was stopped again. 39:55.640 --> 39:57.360 It just didn't work anymore. 39:57.360 --> 40:00.400 So there must be something within the human being 40:00.400 --> 40:03.300 they tried to treat, which repaired. 40:04.240 --> 40:06.360 There must be some plan of this human being 40:06.360 --> 40:09.080 how it was born. 40:09.080 --> 40:10.960 It said, no, this doesn't fit to me. 40:10.960 --> 40:14.960 This is a strange thing, and erase it again. 40:14.960 --> 40:19.560 So my hope is, when they do this genetic operation now 40:19.560 --> 40:21.920 with billions of people, 40:21.920 --> 40:24.400 that after two or three years, 40:24.400 --> 40:26.920 the bodies will have, if they survive it, 40:28.000 --> 40:31.200 the bodies may repair it in many, many cases. 40:31.200 --> 40:34.160 I don't know it, but I think this is a chance. 40:34.160 --> 40:35.000 We can... 40:35.000 --> 40:36.640 This is some hope also. 40:37.560 --> 40:39.320 We can wait for it. 40:39.320 --> 40:43.920 Yeah, I am cautiously optimistic myself. 40:43.920 --> 40:46.520 I'm also cautiously optimistic that the people 40:46.520 --> 40:49.320 that did this who were aware, 40:50.480 --> 40:54.000 at least vaguely aware of the potential advantage 40:54.000 --> 40:56.800 they could gain if they put some placebo doses out there, 40:56.800 --> 41:01.600 so that the populace would be fooled into believing 41:01.600 --> 41:04.360 that the safety was higher than it was. 41:04.360 --> 41:07.680 And so I think there are a number of possible ways 41:07.680 --> 41:10.120 that this technology, 41:10.120 --> 41:11.840 and I do think that's one of the things 41:11.840 --> 41:15.600 we have to acknowledge is that there was a concerted effort 41:15.600 --> 41:20.040 to bamboozle much of the free world 41:20.040 --> 41:22.560 into believing that transfection has been proven 41:22.560 --> 41:25.400 to be useful, and that now we just have to figure out 41:25.400 --> 41:28.080 what protein and how exactly to do it. 41:28.080 --> 41:30.040 Maybe we need a better lip and nanoparticle, 41:30.040 --> 41:32.600 or maybe we need to inhale some of these things, 41:32.600 --> 41:37.560 but the basic methodology is on TV already checked out 41:37.560 --> 41:38.960 and is already a miracle. 41:38.960 --> 41:43.240 And this, I think, is so much of the goal here, 41:43.240 --> 41:45.520 is to get people to accept this. 41:45.520 --> 41:49.680 And then maybe the old adage 41:49.680 --> 41:52.000 that all of these people have been saying for 20 years 41:52.000 --> 41:54.240 that mice lie and monkeys deceive, 41:54.240 --> 41:57.000 and the only thing that tells you the truth are humans, 41:57.000 --> 42:01.960 maybe this is part of a move toward getting people to accept 42:01.960 --> 42:04.600 that the only way we're gonna make personalized medicine 42:04.600 --> 42:06.680 is to use you as a guinea pig. 42:07.600 --> 42:11.880 And so there's so many frightening aspects of this 42:11.880 --> 42:15.080 that, again, assume that we've conquered 42:15.080 --> 42:18.160 the irreducible complexity of biology, 42:18.160 --> 42:19.440 that we've figured it all out, 42:19.440 --> 42:23.120 that we're just a few years away from having the data set 42:23.120 --> 42:27.320 to put into the AI, and then the AI will spit out the answer. 42:27.320 --> 42:29.280 And this is all an illusion. 42:29.280 --> 42:32.520 It's all an illusion that they've told rich people 42:32.520 --> 42:36.840 and they've told bureaucrats that the cheaper 42:36.840 --> 42:39.840 that we can make DNA and the cheaper it is to sequence it 42:39.840 --> 42:43.080 is just the same as the easier it's gonna be 42:43.080 --> 42:44.520 that we're gonna understand it. 42:44.520 --> 42:48.320 And that's just not, they're not equivalent things. 42:48.320 --> 42:50.480 That we can make DNA cheaper. 42:50.480 --> 42:52.400 It doesn't mean we understand what we're making 42:52.400 --> 42:56.040 or how it contributes to the pattern integrity of life. 42:56.040 --> 42:58.600 And so that still is this thing 42:58.600 --> 43:01.600 that we're telling our college kids 43:01.600 --> 43:03.560 and we're telling our high school kids 43:03.560 --> 43:06.000 that we have this mastery that we don't have 43:06.000 --> 43:08.400 and that we have this understanding that we don't have 43:08.400 --> 43:13.400 and we're robbing them of this reverence for life. 43:14.720 --> 43:18.040 We're robbing them of this reverence for the living world 43:18.040 --> 43:21.200 and instead replacing it with this arrogance 43:21.200 --> 43:24.360 and with this, it's terrible. 43:24.360 --> 43:27.160 I really see it as a fundamental attack 43:27.160 --> 43:28.580 on who we are as humanity. 43:29.460 --> 43:31.540 I think there may be, there are those people 43:31.540 --> 43:34.020 who finance all this and you say, 43:34.020 --> 43:36.020 yes, I need what you do. 43:36.020 --> 43:41.020 I take it and I use it in seven billion people. 43:42.300 --> 43:44.020 Those people, why do they do that? 43:45.300 --> 43:48.540 They are part of biology too. 43:48.540 --> 43:50.220 Yeah, it's hard to say. 43:50.220 --> 43:52.340 I mean, I think number one, we have to admit 43:52.340 --> 43:55.260 that there gotta be a number of unwitting participants 43:55.260 --> 43:58.260 because I was an unwitting participant in 2020. 43:58.260 --> 44:01.420 I still, when you and Mike Eden were saying 44:01.420 --> 44:03.860 that, you know, whatever these are, 44:03.860 --> 44:06.020 the variants are probably baloney 44:06.020 --> 44:08.500 and there were lots of signals like this 44:08.500 --> 44:10.900 when we were working before. 44:10.900 --> 44:14.540 I still was fighting for this idea that no, 44:14.540 --> 44:17.540 but a laboratory virus could have heretofore unseen possibilities 44:24.340 --> 44:27.740 and laboratory virus could be much more infectious 44:27.740 --> 44:30.100 because it's got a fear and cleavage site. 44:30.100 --> 44:32.260 And so I was totally fooled. 44:32.260 --> 44:34.980 I totally bought in to the idea 44:34.980 --> 44:36.420 that they were covering something up 44:36.420 --> 44:39.460 and that because it was a laboratory virus 44:39.460 --> 44:42.540 that it could potentially have biology that wasn't natural 44:42.540 --> 44:46.980 and that idea sucked me in and sucked a lot of people in. 44:46.980 --> 44:48.500 I think that was intentional 44:48.500 --> 44:51.660 because that scared people into taking something 44:51.660 --> 44:53.780 that they otherwise would have never taken. 44:53.780 --> 44:56.260 And here we are three years later 44:56.340 --> 44:58.300 and I'm really late to the party. 44:58.300 --> 45:01.260 Like you and Mike had seen through it already in 2020. 45:01.260 --> 45:04.420 And I, it's not so difficult to see it. 45:04.420 --> 45:08.100 When you have a, I was very impressed by a map 45:08.100 --> 45:11.460 where I could see it 24 hours short 45:11.460 --> 45:14.380 where all the airplanes were yellow points 45:14.380 --> 45:18.900 driving around the world with 10 million passengers a day. 45:18.900 --> 45:20.100 Yes. 45:20.100 --> 45:22.980 With all their viruses on their body, in their body, 45:22.980 --> 45:25.740 everywhere traveling around 10 billion a day. 45:25.740 --> 45:26.940 Yes. 45:26.940 --> 45:30.020 And spreading everything of every variation of life, 45:30.020 --> 45:33.700 spreading that can live with human beings, spreading each day. 45:34.740 --> 45:36.380 And I was, I was thinking of that. 45:36.380 --> 45:39.460 And then I was thinking, Wuhan, 45:39.460 --> 45:41.100 there was such a high, 45:41.100 --> 45:46.100 a legal thing there in Guangdong, in Guangdong in the SARS-1. 45:47.180 --> 45:49.460 I was thinking, where has it disappeared? 45:49.460 --> 45:51.980 Why does it disappear so quickly? 45:51.980 --> 45:55.140 And with all those passengers traveling around the world 45:55.140 --> 45:56.940 and the virus is so contagious 45:56.940 --> 45:58.860 and how can this be? 45:58.860 --> 46:00.740 And we forgot SARS. 46:00.740 --> 46:05.100 SARS didn't exist between 2005 and 2020. 46:06.700 --> 46:07.980 It wasn't that wide. 46:07.980 --> 46:09.260 This cannot be. 46:10.300 --> 46:12.700 So it's such easy thoughts, you know? 46:12.700 --> 46:14.020 It's so easy. 46:14.980 --> 46:17.460 You don't have to know about molecular things. 46:17.460 --> 46:20.100 You just have to, you just have to think, 46:20.100 --> 46:22.660 well, if there are viruses and they go around the world, 46:22.660 --> 46:24.500 they change every year a little bit. 46:24.500 --> 46:26.540 We have the flu on Australia. 46:26.540 --> 46:29.580 When I was with a swine flu, 46:29.580 --> 46:32.780 my first call was to Australia, to a colleague in Australia. 46:32.780 --> 46:35.500 How is it whether you do you have more cases than usual? 46:35.500 --> 46:36.540 You should know. 46:36.540 --> 46:38.380 So I knew what was going on. 46:38.380 --> 46:40.780 It is, it's really easy 46:40.780 --> 46:42.940 because when you know how those, 46:42.940 --> 46:45.180 how those entities, those biological entities, 46:45.180 --> 46:47.060 where they live, how they live normally, 46:47.060 --> 46:50.620 you have recognized them and you can observe them. 46:50.620 --> 46:53.340 And then you see the effects and you can, 46:53.740 --> 46:58.020 you don't need molecules to understand. 46:58.020 --> 47:02.580 And when you're from your experience as a doctor, 47:02.580 --> 47:06.340 how often in his, when you were practicing, 47:06.340 --> 47:10.860 how often did you actually make a molecular 47:10.860 --> 47:15.340 or some kind of confirmation with a diagnostic 47:15.340 --> 47:17.020 that you had a particular virus? 47:17.020 --> 47:19.380 Or were you always just treating? 47:19.380 --> 47:20.700 No, there was only flu. 47:20.700 --> 47:22.100 Yeah, okay. 47:22.180 --> 47:25.660 But there was one, I started doing some nonsense 47:25.660 --> 47:28.420 when I started making the H-test, HIV test. 47:29.980 --> 47:31.780 Because we were frightened. 47:31.780 --> 47:32.940 I was also frightened. 47:32.940 --> 47:35.540 I thought there was something very serious to move on. 47:35.540 --> 47:39.100 And they gave me the HIV test in my ward 47:39.100 --> 47:41.300 and they said, you can use it. 47:41.300 --> 47:43.980 And I used it and I found some positive cases. 47:45.300 --> 47:46.580 But they were all healthy. 47:48.420 --> 47:51.300 And I never saw someone with an immune deficiency before 47:51.340 --> 47:56.340 in my region, my whole region where I used to practice. 47:57.340 --> 47:58.180 Never. 47:58.180 --> 47:59.620 No, I never got it. 47:59.620 --> 48:01.420 No, I didn't. 48:01.420 --> 48:04.180 And suddenly there should be something very new. 48:04.180 --> 48:08.980 So, but I was trapped then with this big propaganda HIV. 48:08.980 --> 48:10.900 And I'm very sorry. 48:10.900 --> 48:14.060 I did many wrong things because of that. 48:14.060 --> 48:18.260 And I understood, many years later, 48:18.260 --> 48:20.540 many years later I understood 48:20.580 --> 48:22.380 that they made this test 48:22.380 --> 48:26.340 and they produced those cases as they always do cases. 48:26.340 --> 48:27.420 Isn't it fascinating? 48:27.420 --> 48:29.460 Isn't that test an antibody test? 48:29.460 --> 48:32.100 So actually for AIDS, it's an antibody test, 48:32.100 --> 48:34.740 which is extraordinary because now they sold us antibodies 48:34.740 --> 48:35.740 as immunity. 48:37.980 --> 48:39.420 It's extraordinary. 48:40.860 --> 48:42.180 Yes. 48:42.180 --> 48:45.260 And it's very, you know what we have to do? 48:45.260 --> 48:47.940 We have to change the education of doctors. 48:48.780 --> 48:50.260 Yeah. 48:50.260 --> 48:52.380 I mean, we do. 48:52.380 --> 48:53.900 We need to teach them immunology. 48:53.900 --> 48:56.940 We need to teach them how the immune system works 48:56.940 --> 48:58.940 so that they come to this conclusion on their own. 48:58.940 --> 49:04.100 If you, if you really, I mean, I have given a number 49:04.100 --> 49:09.100 of what I consider to be very broad stroke immune lectures 49:10.460 --> 49:12.700 that people have said that this is just the best lecture 49:12.700 --> 49:15.020 I've ever heard because I've explained the immune system 49:15.100 --> 49:20.100 in a way that that that that explains its organization. 49:20.580 --> 49:25.420 And I think the one of the things that I stress a lot 49:25.420 --> 49:27.300 is that the immune system is organized 49:27.300 --> 49:31.620 from the inside out and it's designed to to maintain a barrier 49:31.620 --> 49:35.460 between the inside of your body and the outside world. 49:35.460 --> 49:39.940 And so the immune system is used to meeting challenges 49:39.940 --> 49:41.260 on that barrier. 49:41.260 --> 49:46.260 And so in history, if any of these previous immunizations 49:46.420 --> 49:49.660 have worked, they have worked because they've immunized 49:49.660 --> 49:53.060 at a barrier, oral vaccines are at a barrier, you know, 49:53.060 --> 49:56.140 variation with smallpox was at a barrier. 49:56.140 --> 49:59.060 So you were interacting with the immune system 49:59.060 --> 50:01.500 and from the direction in which it expects 50:01.500 --> 50:05.580 to be interacted with and with an intramuscular injection, 50:05.580 --> 50:08.420 you are taking a signal and putting it 50:08.420 --> 50:11.140 where the immune system least likely to find it. 50:11.140 --> 50:14.220 And so it's extraordinary how absurd it is 50:14.220 --> 50:19.060 that we've moved through this immunization of evolution 50:19.060 --> 50:21.100 and gotten worse and worse. 50:21.100 --> 50:23.500 This is what I said in this too. 50:23.500 --> 50:27.580 But you know this, when it started with the swine flu also, 50:27.580 --> 50:31.020 they started thinking of giving the flu shot, 50:31.020 --> 50:33.500 not a flow shot, but giving the spray. 50:33.500 --> 50:34.340 Oh yeah. 50:35.340 --> 50:39.300 Because they were recognizing that this could be a way 50:39.300 --> 50:42.180 they could sell the same nonsense before. 50:42.180 --> 50:47.180 But what they didn't deal with is there's so much competition 50:48.020 --> 50:52.820 between those informations we get. 50:52.820 --> 50:57.820 Our immune system has to find out what is important, 50:58.300 --> 50:59.540 what is not important. 51:00.420 --> 51:01.620 So there has to be, 51:01.620 --> 51:05.220 because there's a limited capacity of immune reaction. 51:06.220 --> 51:09.620 And so you have to see our immune system has to select. 51:09.620 --> 51:13.980 There's a really interesting phenomenon that occurred. 51:13.980 --> 51:15.980 I think you'd find really fascinating as well, 51:15.980 --> 51:19.260 that in the early 2000s or late 90s, 51:19.260 --> 51:24.420 there were two basic schools of thought of immunology 51:24.420 --> 51:26.420 that were funded by the NIH in America. 51:26.420 --> 51:31.620 The one was pathogen-associated molecular patterns. 51:31.700 --> 51:35.860 And the other one was damage-associated molecular patterns. 51:35.860 --> 51:38.700 And now the difference between these two big theories 51:38.700 --> 51:39.540 is really cool. 51:39.540 --> 51:42.460 One, the pathogen-associated molecular patterns 51:42.460 --> 51:45.460 is a theory where the immune system tries to make 51:45.460 --> 51:47.900 a unique set of memories for every pathogen 51:47.900 --> 51:49.580 that it comes in contact with. 51:49.580 --> 51:52.540 The other one, damage-associated molecular patterns, 51:52.540 --> 51:55.540 was the idea that the immune system tries to generalize 51:55.540 --> 52:00.060 across challenges to find the molecular motifs 52:00.060 --> 52:01.300 that are most dangerous. 52:01.300 --> 52:04.380 Usually hydrophobic ones are charged motifs. 52:04.380 --> 52:09.380 And so this theory then suggested that in one case, 52:09.460 --> 52:12.100 the immune system is just making a profile 52:12.100 --> 52:13.860 of the new things that it finds. 52:13.860 --> 52:14.980 And in the other case, 52:14.980 --> 52:18.460 it's trying to generalize across molecular signals, 52:18.460 --> 52:22.300 and then essentially building a minimum amount of memory. 52:22.300 --> 52:25.700 And I think there's so much of our understanding 52:25.700 --> 52:27.540 of the immune system that really suggests 52:27.540 --> 52:31.380 that minimizing the reaction to anything is ideal. 52:31.380 --> 52:35.620 And overreaction is the heart of everything going wrong. 52:35.620 --> 52:38.100 And so interestingly enough, 52:38.100 --> 52:40.180 we were talking about this an hour ago, 52:40.180 --> 52:43.700 the funding for damage-associated molecular pattern 52:43.700 --> 52:45.380 investigation is gone. 52:45.380 --> 52:47.380 It disappeared in 2005. 52:47.380 --> 52:50.380 There is no funding of that idea anymore. 52:50.380 --> 52:53.540 It is exclusively pathogen-associated molecular patterns 52:53.540 --> 52:56.220 or specific memory, which of course means 52:56.220 --> 52:59.780 that you need specific vaccines for every specific challenge. 52:59.780 --> 53:02.140 And that's the extraordinary moment. 53:02.140 --> 53:04.340 You can have a patent on viruses. 53:04.340 --> 53:08.940 You can have a patent on the choice of your immune system. 53:11.020 --> 53:11.860 Yeah. 53:12.700 --> 53:13.820 It's extraordinary, man, 53:13.820 --> 53:17.820 because I think this has exposed a very big scam 53:17.820 --> 53:21.140 that we've all been under the enchantment of 53:21.140 --> 53:22.260 for a very long time. 53:22.260 --> 53:24.780 And so we can all just be very humble 53:24.780 --> 53:26.460 and say we didn't get it for a long time 53:26.460 --> 53:28.500 and just pull ourselves out. 53:28.500 --> 53:31.860 Our discussion that reminds me of something 53:31.860 --> 53:34.740 when we were discussing about the transportation law 53:34.740 --> 53:38.340 in Germany, there were always those people who said, 53:38.340 --> 53:40.580 the brain, this is our identity. 53:41.500 --> 53:43.340 This is what we are, the brain. 53:44.500 --> 53:46.260 They said, if the brain is dead, 53:46.260 --> 53:49.820 you can take everything because then the guy is dead. 53:49.820 --> 53:52.300 And I always think, no, there's something more complicated, 53:52.300 --> 53:54.540 more identity, much more identity. 53:54.540 --> 53:59.300 What I am is much more my immune system than my brain. 54:02.100 --> 54:07.100 So this discussion, it has so many consequences. 54:08.220 --> 54:10.380 Consequences in regulation, in human, 54:10.380 --> 54:15.380 in what we think, what is the dignity of man. 54:17.900 --> 54:21.420 So all this values our society is based on, 54:21.420 --> 54:22.980 is based on pictures. 54:25.340 --> 54:29.860 And this picture with the brain, in our thoughts, 54:29.860 --> 54:34.380 is the thing which makes us the most. 54:34.380 --> 54:36.420 And there is this other thing, 54:36.420 --> 54:37.940 which makes us much more humble 54:37.940 --> 54:39.660 because the immune system is something 54:39.660 --> 54:41.180 you find everywhere in nature. 54:44.180 --> 54:49.180 So it's a very good lesson we can learn now. 54:50.180 --> 54:54.180 How our values are shaped and how they shape our culture 54:54.180 --> 54:56.180 and our thinking, our living together, 54:56.180 --> 54:59.180 and our respecting and respecting nature, 54:59.180 --> 55:00.180 which is around us. 55:00.180 --> 55:04.180 So I think there is, it's a big chance now 55:04.180 --> 55:06.180 for developing new ideas. 55:06.180 --> 55:08.180 I totally agree. 55:08.180 --> 55:11.180 If the immune system functions well, 55:11.180 --> 55:14.180 maybe the brain is also part of an immune system 55:14.180 --> 55:18.180 like that enables you to understand 55:18.180 --> 55:21.180 infiltration via deception. 55:21.180 --> 55:23.180 Because if your thoughts function, 55:23.180 --> 55:25.180 then you understand, 55:25.180 --> 55:27.180 well, this is not really what I should believe. 55:27.180 --> 55:30.180 This is bad for me, for my whole body. 55:30.180 --> 55:31.180 I mean, what we just, 55:31.180 --> 55:34.180 but people came to see during the crisis. 55:34.180 --> 55:36.180 I have one question. 55:36.180 --> 55:40.180 Irreusable complexity of life is reduced 55:40.180 --> 55:43.180 by the very low possibilities 55:43.180 --> 55:46.180 that human brain has to understand all this. 55:47.180 --> 55:48.180 Yeah. 55:48.180 --> 55:49.180 Yeah. 55:49.180 --> 55:50.180 That's a really great question. 55:50.180 --> 55:52.180 It's a really great way to put it. 55:52.180 --> 55:53.180 Can I ask you, like, I mean, 55:53.180 --> 55:57.180 I don't know if you're aware of the work of Dr. Sabina Steber. 55:57.180 --> 55:59.180 She's been in the committee several times 55:59.180 --> 56:02.180 and she's been investigating like everything 56:02.180 --> 56:05.180 that's basically also put into the vaccines 56:05.180 --> 56:07.180 and what they know, 56:07.180 --> 56:11.180 what they knew about like the toxic results 56:11.180 --> 56:14.180 or like the toxic effects that it might have, you know? 56:14.180 --> 56:16.180 And like, for instance, in Germany, 56:16.180 --> 56:18.180 we found out that our, 56:18.180 --> 56:23.180 basically the authority that oversees the, you know, 56:23.180 --> 56:27.180 the market release and so on of the vaccines, 56:27.180 --> 56:30.180 the head of that authority, you know, 56:30.180 --> 56:34.180 has actually published on a variety of issues 56:34.180 --> 56:38.180 that we now find to be really damaging for people, you know, 56:38.180 --> 56:40.180 from what we can see. 56:40.180 --> 56:43.180 And so she has, she has said, you know, 56:43.180 --> 56:48.180 it's kind of interesting because there's so many aspects put into these vaccines, 56:48.180 --> 56:50.180 like from, or like the so-called vaccines, 56:50.180 --> 56:54.180 like from all kinds of angles, like the nano lab lipids and, you know, 56:54.180 --> 56:59.180 whatever these, these DNA aspects and so on, you know? 56:59.180 --> 57:00.180 It's amazing. 57:00.180 --> 57:02.180 And it seems that it's only, I mean, 57:02.180 --> 57:08.180 you really have to put together such a cocktail of toxic aspects, you know, 57:08.180 --> 57:09.180 that it's amazing. 57:09.180 --> 57:10.180 This cannot be coincidence. 57:10.180 --> 57:14.180 And this must have been worked on by, you know, 57:14.180 --> 57:17.180 maybe just a few people, very specialized people, 57:17.180 --> 57:21.180 who could oversee what was, what's going to come from that. 57:21.180 --> 57:23.180 Maybe they do not have the full picture. 57:23.180 --> 57:28.180 But I mean, they could see from a variety of studies that are already out there, 57:28.180 --> 57:33.180 that there's, it's like a cocktail of horror, basically. 57:33.180 --> 57:36.180 I mean, would you, would you share that opinion? 57:36.180 --> 57:42.180 I would, I would share a little bit of expanded opinion in the sense that 57:42.180 --> 57:47.180 I think that this, this operation was so diabolical, 57:47.180 --> 57:53.180 that they have, they have planned already from the very beginning 57:53.180 --> 57:59.180 to tell us a biological narrative about a gain-of-function virus 57:59.180 --> 58:03.180 that actually includes specifically a gain-of-function protein 58:03.180 --> 58:07.180 with lots of little intricate things that have been inserted in it by really 58:07.180 --> 58:10.180 master chefs of, of virology. 58:10.180 --> 58:15.180 And that protein is what we serendipitously decided to 58:15.180 --> 58:17.180 transfect into everyone's body. 58:17.180 --> 58:21.180 And so this story was not just by accident. 58:21.180 --> 58:27.180 This story allows the confounding of the biological effects of the spike protein 58:27.180 --> 58:30.180 with the biological effects of transfection. 58:30.180 --> 58:34.180 And I think more than anything, we need to understand that biologically, 58:34.180 --> 58:39.180 this is a disingenuous connection that was put there on purpose, 58:39.180 --> 58:44.180 so that they would have a whole series of, of things that we could argue about, 58:44.180 --> 58:48.180 a very limited but lively spectrum of debate where, 58:48.180 --> 58:50.180 I'm sure it's the lipid nanoparticles. 58:50.180 --> 58:52.180 And if we just fix those, it would be better. 58:52.180 --> 58:56.180 I'm sure it's the spike protein, the spike protein was gain-of-function. 58:56.180 --> 58:58.180 And so the spike protein is causing all of this. 58:58.180 --> 59:00.180 And that, that was intentional. 59:00.180 --> 59:02.180 That confounding was intentional. 59:02.180 --> 59:09.180 And so this now discussion of were there, were there, uh, graphene particles, 59:09.180 --> 59:14.180 or is the lipid nanoparticle the problem, or is the DNA contamination the problem? 59:14.180 --> 59:18.180 I assure you that if the lipid nanoparticles were perfect 59:18.180 --> 59:24.180 and the spike protein was perfect and everything was made to the finest of standards, 59:24.180 --> 59:28.180 transfection would still be wholly inappropriate for healthy humans. 59:28.180 --> 59:29.180 That's where we are. 59:29.180 --> 59:33.180 And so we're being, they're shuffling all these things on the table 59:33.180 --> 59:38.180 to try and make us choose which was the, what's responsible when in reality, 59:38.180 --> 59:42.180 as you said, they've known from the very beginning that they couldn't get the results 59:42.180 --> 59:44.180 that they said they were going to get. 59:44.180 --> 59:50.180 Peter Cullis, the man who invented and, and whose research has developed 59:50.180 --> 59:55.180 these lipid nanoparticles was accepting award, an award all across Canada 59:55.180 --> 59:57.180 called the Gardineer Award. 59:57.180 --> 59:59.180 It's like a pre-noble prize award. 59:59.180 --> 01:00:03.180 And he was touring Canada, giving lectures about the lipid nanoparticles 01:00:03.180 --> 01:00:06.180 and about how exciting it was that there was soon going to be a Nobel Prize 01:00:06.180 --> 01:00:08.180 and maybe they would get it. 01:00:08.180 --> 01:00:13.180 And he admitted that he killed the career of five postdocs 01:00:13.180 --> 01:00:18.180 that he tried to get them to figure out how to target the lipid nanoparticles 01:00:18.180 --> 01:00:20.180 to a particular place in the body. 01:00:20.180 --> 01:00:23.180 And five postdocs never figured it out. 01:00:23.180 --> 01:00:28.180 And the fifth one insisted that she do something else otherwise she was going to quit. 01:00:28.180 --> 01:00:32.180 And he made a joke about that on stage in 2022, 01:00:32.180 --> 01:00:36.180 knowing that a billion people had been injected with a lipid nanoparticle 01:00:36.180 --> 01:00:41.180 that they were told would stay in the muscle and go disappear in a few weeks. 01:00:41.180 --> 01:00:47.180 That's extraordinary because they burnt, they burnt Byron Bridal's career 01:00:47.180 --> 01:00:52.180 and he revealed that information from a FOIA request from Japan. 01:00:52.180 --> 01:00:55.180 They burnt his career only a year and a half later 01:00:55.180 --> 01:01:00.180 to have the inventor of the frickin' technology go onstage and say it all out. 01:01:00.180 --> 01:01:02.180 And they didn't burn his career. 01:01:02.180 --> 01:01:05.180 They didn't throw him out of the university for admitting it. 01:01:05.180 --> 01:01:07.180 But he admitted it on stage. 01:01:07.180 --> 01:01:10.180 That's where we are. 01:01:10.180 --> 01:01:13.180 It's extraordinary. It is really extraordinary. 01:01:13.180 --> 01:01:17.180 It's all there for the learning and the knowing. 01:01:17.180 --> 01:01:21.180 And it's now just a question of getting people to raise their chin off of their desk 01:01:21.180 --> 01:01:28.180 and put their phone down and understand that we have really been deceived in a major way. 01:01:28.180 --> 01:01:33.180 And I really think it's important to understand that their goal is for us to teach this to our children. 01:01:33.180 --> 01:01:35.180 They don't care about us. 01:01:35.180 --> 01:01:38.180 We have to understand that this goes already for 50 years. 01:01:38.180 --> 01:01:40.180 Yes, absolutely it does. 01:01:41.180 --> 01:01:44.180 And only we can save our children because if we don't, 01:01:44.180 --> 01:01:49.180 our children will grow up having experienced this experience to this pandemic 01:01:49.180 --> 01:01:51.180 and they're done forever. 01:01:51.180 --> 01:01:53.180 It's really a disaster. 01:01:53.180 --> 01:01:56.180 They call the whole thing pandemic preparedness. 01:01:56.180 --> 01:02:00.180 And they prepared what they call a pandemic. 01:02:00.180 --> 01:02:07.180 So it's sadistic. 01:02:08.180 --> 01:02:15.180 The double meaning of pandemic preparedness is very interesting. 01:02:15.180 --> 01:02:16.180 Yeah. 01:02:16.180 --> 01:02:20.180 Can I ask you like in the beginning you said that you'd been after you spoke out 01:02:20.180 --> 01:02:24.180 and then had these problems with the university and so on. 01:02:24.180 --> 01:02:29.180 You said you were visited by people who you consider now to be like medallists. 01:02:29.180 --> 01:02:31.180 I mean, what kind of experience did you make? 01:02:31.180 --> 01:02:36.180 They tried to convince you to maybe give up your train of thought. 01:02:37.180 --> 01:02:38.180 Yes. 01:02:38.180 --> 01:02:39.180 Exactly. 01:02:39.180 --> 01:02:44.180 So it mainly happened in 2021. 01:02:44.180 --> 01:02:49.180 So I was a member of this loose organization called Drastic, 01:02:49.180 --> 01:02:54.180 which was given credit for like solving the lab leak puzzle on Twitter in 2020. 01:02:54.180 --> 01:03:00.180 And that group of people is still largely an anonymous group of medlers who refused, 01:03:00.180 --> 01:03:02.180 literally refused. 01:03:02.180 --> 01:03:05.180 So I'm a member from the very beginning. 01:03:05.180 --> 01:03:11.180 I was the guy who I actually put my name and reviewed several of these papers, 01:03:11.180 --> 01:03:15.180 which got published about the fear and cleavage site and thought I was doing a heroic act 01:03:15.180 --> 01:03:21.180 by reviewing these papers and getting the lab leak hypothesis out there into public. 01:03:21.180 --> 01:03:26.180 And so I was a bit taken hookline and sinker by these people. 01:03:26.180 --> 01:03:35.180 But Drastic at some point refused, absolutely refused to discuss the idea that this 01:03:35.180 --> 01:03:38.180 transfection to a spike protein could be a disaster. 01:03:38.180 --> 01:03:43.180 That could be actually the real reason why this whole mythology was spun up to begin 01:03:43.180 --> 01:03:44.180 with. 01:03:44.180 --> 01:03:48.180 When I started saying that, Drastic split into two groups and both of those groups threw 01:03:48.180 --> 01:03:49.180 me out. 01:03:49.180 --> 01:03:54.180 And so after that happened, interestingly enough, and this is where it gets really 01:03:54.180 --> 01:03:55.180 sketchy. 01:03:55.180 --> 01:03:59.180 And I hope you'll know a little bit of these details so that you'll see why it's so important. 01:03:59.180 --> 01:04:09.180 About two or three months later was when the first hints of the diffuse proposal leak started 01:04:09.180 --> 01:04:10.180 to appear. 01:04:10.180 --> 01:04:15.180 And at some moment, a member of Drastic was given a copy of the diffuse proposal. 01:04:15.180 --> 01:04:22.180 Now the diffuse proposal is supposedly a grant proposal that was written in 2017 and submitted 01:04:22.180 --> 01:04:29.780 by EcoHealth Alliance, the notorious gain of function funders in the United States. 01:04:29.780 --> 01:04:34.780 They submitted this grant to DARPA in 2019 apparently. 01:04:34.780 --> 01:04:41.060 And in this grant, curiously enough, is described an experiment that in the cartoon would be 01:04:41.060 --> 01:04:47.460 exactly how this pandemic would have started complete with bad coronaviruses that were 01:04:47.460 --> 01:04:54.020 molecularly altered to insert a fear and cleavage site at the S1, S2 junction. 01:04:54.020 --> 01:04:59.180 And when this text was first shown to me, the very first thing that went off in my head 01:04:59.180 --> 01:05:03.460 was, well, that's a convenient way of making it, making it real. 01:05:03.460 --> 01:05:07.620 Isn't that a very convenient way of making it real leak a grant proposal that never 01:05:07.620 --> 01:05:08.620 got funded? 01:05:08.620 --> 01:05:14.780 Well, I will tell you that when I ignored that grant proposal, eventually that was intolerable 01:05:14.780 --> 01:05:23.300 and somebody came to my house and physically convinced me to join Drastic again and to 01:05:23.300 --> 01:05:28.140 pursue the origin of the virus because they are hiding this lab leak. 01:05:28.140 --> 01:05:33.220 And so for a few more months, I was kind of in this hamster wheel again, trying to figure 01:05:33.220 --> 01:05:39.300 out if this diffuse proposal was real, but in reality, I have now, I'm firmly on the 01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:44.860 side of this being part of this worst case scenario narrative that they are trying to 01:05:44.860 --> 01:05:45.860 spin up. 01:05:45.860 --> 01:05:50.660 And in fact, the diffuse proposal is still being given wood for its fire. 01:05:50.660 --> 01:05:55.660 There are still people that are doing foyas on the diffuse proposal and still doing analysis 01:05:55.660 --> 01:06:00.300 of the experiments that were proposed in the diffuse proposal, all under the pretense that 01:06:00.300 --> 01:06:05.140 this text, his further evidence that gain of function was happening, that they did it 01:06:05.140 --> 01:06:08.140 and that they were arrogant about it, and that it will come again. 01:06:08.140 --> 01:06:11.980 And so this has always been about that. 01:06:11.980 --> 01:06:16.900 And so every person that has contacted me has been trying to keep me focused on the origin 01:06:16.900 --> 01:06:19.020 and keep me off of transfection. 01:06:19.020 --> 01:06:24.220 And so after a while, that pattern just broke me and I just stopped paying attention. 01:06:24.220 --> 01:06:28.020 But it happened first for more than a year and a half. 01:06:28.020 --> 01:06:34.180 Can you say something about the escape theory? 01:06:34.180 --> 01:06:39.020 I just don't think it's it's I don't think that lab leaks and see and people getting 01:06:39.020 --> 01:06:40.260 sick are not real. 01:06:40.260 --> 01:06:44.500 No, I mean, I mean, the escape theory when you when the virus escapes when you haven't 01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:45.500 ever. 01:06:45.500 --> 01:06:46.500 Oh, yeah. 01:06:46.500 --> 01:06:47.500 Yeah. 01:06:47.500 --> 01:06:48.500 Yeah. 01:06:48.500 --> 01:06:50.540 So this is one of those things that I think is also part of the the illusion. 01:06:50.540 --> 01:06:55.540 So remember that one of the things that they convinced us of is that this virus wasn't 01:06:55.540 --> 01:07:00.540 here before 2019 and then it was here in the end of 2019. 01:07:00.540 --> 01:07:07.220 So what that means from the perspective of the of the phylogenetic tree is that the 01:07:07.220 --> 01:07:11.940 final phylogenetic tree started at a point and then it grew over the last five years from 01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:14.700 one point all over the world, one point all over the world. 01:07:14.700 --> 01:07:17.900 Well, no other, no other points where viruses grow, right? 01:07:17.900 --> 01:07:19.140 No other points from one. 01:07:19.140 --> 01:07:20.140 Yes. 01:07:20.140 --> 01:07:21.140 They can only grow from who? 01:07:21.140 --> 01:07:22.140 Right. 01:07:22.140 --> 01:07:25.900 And so the interesting thing about that is is that it assumes that as you've said before 01:07:25.900 --> 01:07:29.980 that there's no other signal in the background that could be mixed with this one, that there 01:07:29.980 --> 01:07:35.060 is no other signal that we could have been monitoring in 2019 or 2018 that we weren't 01:07:35.060 --> 01:07:36.740 monitoring because we weren't. 01:07:36.740 --> 01:07:39.140 We weren't doing any PCR surveillance. 01:07:39.140 --> 01:07:42.700 We weren't doing any sequence surveillance of any coronavirus. 01:07:42.700 --> 01:07:47.780 So as far as we know, there were 50 SARS viruses in circulation before the pandemic. 01:07:47.780 --> 01:07:51.540 And then they came up with a test and said, now this is evidence of spread. 01:07:51.540 --> 01:07:57.620 And so the important thing to for I think for us to now send as a message is that one 01:07:57.620 --> 01:08:02.820 of the ways they trapped us in this was convincing us that arguing about what this 01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:05.500 signal meant was so important. 01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:12.420 And so arguing about whether whether it means that there's novel spread or whether it means 01:08:12.420 --> 01:08:15.620 it's a background signal that that discussion never occurred. 01:08:15.620 --> 01:08:20.060 The discussion that occurred was, are we using the right primers? 01:08:20.060 --> 01:08:22.620 Are we overcycling these tests? 01:08:23.180 --> 01:08:28.140 So the questions that we were primed to ask actually made us accept the fact that the 01:08:28.140 --> 01:08:32.820 tests work had actually made us accept the fact that there was something to test for had 01:08:32.820 --> 01:08:36.980 actually made us accept the fact that there was an emergency when in reality what we should 01:08:36.980 --> 01:08:41.060 have been asking in the original is what would have happened if we use these tests six months 01:08:41.060 --> 01:08:42.060 ago? 01:08:42.060 --> 01:08:43.060 Would we find the same signal? 01:08:43.060 --> 01:08:45.260 And if that's the case, then what are we all worried about? 01:08:45.260 --> 01:08:47.500 But we never asked that question on purpose. 01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:48.740 They did it on purpose. 01:08:48.740 --> 01:08:50.100 They were very clever. 01:08:50.100 --> 01:08:57.380 You know that they make monitoring of our of the risks we live in while while just examining 01:08:57.380 --> 01:09:00.100 the wastewater. 01:09:00.100 --> 01:09:03.500 And that's honestly that would be the easiest thing to spike ever. 01:09:03.500 --> 01:09:07.740 You could spike the wastewater with DNA of any signal you wanted and then claim, look, 01:09:07.740 --> 01:09:08.940 there's Marburg in the sewer. 01:09:08.940 --> 01:09:11.820 I mean, it would be so easy to do it. 01:09:11.820 --> 01:09:12.820 A joke. 01:09:12.820 --> 01:09:14.660 This is why they do it. 01:09:14.660 --> 01:09:18.980 And they invest a lot of money and all the cities in Germany, they all started. 01:09:18.980 --> 01:09:19.980 They all make this. 01:09:19.980 --> 01:09:21.220 They all follow this nonsense. 01:09:21.220 --> 01:09:22.940 They give a lot of money for this. 01:09:22.940 --> 01:09:23.940 Yeah, wow. 01:09:23.940 --> 01:09:25.580 I don't even know what to say. 01:09:25.580 --> 01:09:28.140 We have to be aware of new risks, they say. 01:09:28.140 --> 01:09:33.740 And we have to have we have to monitor our sewer so so we can find out what's happening. 01:09:33.740 --> 01:09:39.900 Oh, I mean, this is really a very, very slippery slope to just declaring whatever they want 01:09:39.900 --> 01:09:41.700 to declare whenever they want to declare. 01:09:41.700 --> 01:09:42.700 Yes. 01:09:42.700 --> 01:09:48.060 And Robert Koch Institute is one of the first who says it and you have to do it. 01:09:48.060 --> 01:09:49.060 We want to be safe. 01:09:49.060 --> 01:09:50.060 Oh, my. 01:09:50.060 --> 01:09:52.060 Oh, it's terrible. 01:09:52.060 --> 01:09:53.060 Yes. 01:09:53.060 --> 01:09:59.660 What I think is what's very interesting is that, you know, when you say there were also 01:09:59.660 --> 01:10:07.060 certain stories or like trains of thought like presented with regards to the virus and 01:10:07.060 --> 01:10:13.060 so on, there must have been someone thinking about how can we distract these people, you 01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:19.020 know, like, how can we control also the scientific conversation, the discussion, you know, 01:10:19.020 --> 01:10:23.020 like, I mean, as you said, like maybe with the, okay, maybe that was a coincidence with 01:10:23.020 --> 01:10:24.020 the graphene idea. 01:10:24.020 --> 01:10:30.500 I don't know, you know, maybe was just someone looking for the wrong ingredients or something 01:10:30.500 --> 01:10:34.660 or had like a no, but I think it's actually more likely, I think it's actually more likely 01:10:34.660 --> 01:10:39.700 to be true because if there was graphene in one particular lot that somebody could find 01:10:39.700 --> 01:10:44.780 and show videos of, and it wasn't in any other lot so that they could debunk this all 01:10:44.780 --> 01:10:48.940 around the world, it's a perfect argument that gets nobody anywhere. 01:10:48.940 --> 01:10:51.300 And the longer you argue about it, the better. 01:10:51.300 --> 01:10:52.300 Yes. 01:10:52.300 --> 01:10:57.900 And the next time you do something into the job with where you can find something in the 01:10:57.900 --> 01:11:07.700 G5, with some, with your iPhone, you can try and the magnetic, the story with the magnetic 01:11:07.700 --> 01:11:08.700 ... 01:11:08.700 --> 01:11:09.700 Absolutely. 01:11:09.700 --> 01:11:10.700 Yeah. 01:11:10.700 --> 01:11:15.140 All those stories where we were discussing, which we were discussing, they could have 01:11:15.140 --> 01:11:20.460 thought it in advance, they could have installed all these stories to distract us from what 01:11:20.460 --> 01:11:21.460 they do. 01:11:21.460 --> 01:11:22.460 Absolutely. 01:11:22.460 --> 01:11:28.740 I think that also the effects and the dangers that I think are real of 5G have been purposely 01:11:28.740 --> 01:11:34.060 confounded with the virus on purpose to try and, to try and again, get people to argue 01:11:34.060 --> 01:11:39.180 about stuff that they can never figure out, instead of arguing about the very simple fact 01:11:39.180 --> 01:11:43.980 that they are lying to us about a spreading risk, at the risk, additive pathogen. 01:11:43.980 --> 01:11:44.980 Yeah. 01:11:44.980 --> 01:11:50.860 And everything, those, everything which has, has a syllable smart in front, it's dangerous. 01:11:50.860 --> 01:11:53.780 Oh, well, they're going to get us with convenience, right? 01:11:53.780 --> 01:11:54.780 It's so convenient. 01:11:54.780 --> 01:11:58.020 You'll never have to, you'll never have to enter a password again, it'll just be a chip 01:11:58.020 --> 01:11:59.460 under your skin. 01:11:59.460 --> 01:12:04.020 That's the, that's the convenience of it. 01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:10.900 I am, I am absolutely thrilled that we have so much connection here and that we see it this 01:12:10.900 --> 01:12:11.900 way. 01:12:12.900 --> 01:12:16.820 I, what is it like to be a guy who saw this in 2009? 01:12:16.820 --> 01:12:21.620 You've been trapped in this little hell for, for 15 or 20 years where most of us are just 01:12:21.620 --> 01:12:23.540 recently waking up. 01:12:23.540 --> 01:12:27.340 I only really figured it out in 2022 as well as I have. 01:12:27.340 --> 01:12:34.420 I gave my kids their vaccinations before they went to their new school in 2022 and then watched 01:12:34.420 --> 01:12:39.900 the movie vaxxed and realized that, wow, no problem, I'm a little bit older than you. 01:12:39.900 --> 01:12:41.940 So I started a little bit before you. 01:12:41.940 --> 01:12:43.780 Yeah, I see. 01:12:43.780 --> 01:12:47.620 I mean, but it's, it must've been, I mean, I guess what I'm trying to get at is is that 01:12:47.620 --> 01:12:52.940 when you spoke out in 2009, there wasn't this global awareness of anything. 01:12:52.940 --> 01:12:56.500 It was very easy for them to kind of hide you in the noise. 01:12:56.500 --> 01:13:00.620 And although I think locally it was important what you did, I don't think the story really 01:13:00.620 --> 01:13:07.660 ever penetrated the, the media in America at all, whereas now this global thing has sort 01:13:07.660 --> 01:13:14.420 of, I think made it possible in a way for, you know, people like me, I don't think I 01:13:14.420 --> 01:13:18.860 would have been able to, to sustain speaking out in 2009 because there wouldn't have been 01:13:18.860 --> 01:13:19.860 enough momentum. 01:13:19.860 --> 01:13:21.860 There wouldn't have been enough feedback. 01:13:21.860 --> 01:13:26.820 I would have felt like I was shouting into the breeze, whereas now, I mean, look, I get 01:13:26.820 --> 01:13:30.740 to talk to you or I don't think in 2009 this would have even been possible. 01:13:30.740 --> 01:13:33.300 So that's also a thing to be hopeful about. 01:13:33.300 --> 01:13:35.020 So this is an advantage, you know. 01:13:35.020 --> 01:13:36.020 Yeah. 01:13:36.140 --> 01:13:42.900 I talk to so many people I would never, never been the chance to talk to is so I'm so happy 01:13:42.900 --> 01:13:45.100 to experience all this for myself. 01:13:45.100 --> 01:13:48.620 If I'm agristic, I learned so much in those last years. 01:13:48.620 --> 01:13:50.540 I never learned so much before. 01:13:50.540 --> 01:13:51.540 Yeah. 01:13:51.540 --> 01:13:52.540 I think it is really wonderful. 01:13:52.540 --> 01:13:58.220 I mean, that's definitely one of the, the more twisted things about this is, is that 01:13:58.220 --> 01:14:02.820 it has been a superior learning experience indeed. 01:14:02.820 --> 01:14:07.700 I haven't loved biology as much as I've loved it in the last three years because I feel 01:14:07.700 --> 01:14:10.620 like I'm actually, I'm actually doing it again. 01:14:10.620 --> 01:14:12.700 So that's really cool. 01:14:12.700 --> 01:14:16.580 I'm happy about that, but, but it's getting rough. 01:14:16.580 --> 01:14:23.180 I was working for Children's Health Defense for about, so I helped Bobby Kennedy with, 01:14:23.180 --> 01:14:27.700 with his, with his book about the lab leak and I tried to get a little bit of this biology 01:14:27.700 --> 01:14:28.700 in there. 01:14:28.700 --> 01:14:31.860 There's some biology about how RNA can't pandemic in that book. 01:14:32.860 --> 01:14:37.220 Then after the book, I got hired by Children's Health Defense, but I was only working there 01:14:37.220 --> 01:14:41.260 for six months before they laid me off again, presumably because of the things that I'm 01:14:41.260 --> 01:14:42.260 still saying. 01:14:42.260 --> 01:14:48.100 It wasn't really clear exactly why, but it's been pretty disappointing because I thought 01:14:48.100 --> 01:14:51.860 I had kind of a dream job and I'd figured it out and I'd got a better foundation under 01:14:51.860 --> 01:14:57.180 me and I was going to push forward and then out of nowhere the first week of January, 01:14:57.180 --> 01:14:58.660 they said they're going to part ways with me. 01:14:59.660 --> 01:15:03.700 So I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic that that means I'm over the target and then I'm teaching 01:15:03.700 --> 01:15:10.500 what I need to teach, but my family and, and our future is a little bit less, less solid 01:15:10.500 --> 01:15:11.980 ground than we were a month ago. 01:15:11.980 --> 01:15:18.260 So that's, that's unfortunate, but this is, this is high hope optimism to the 10th power 01:15:18.260 --> 01:15:19.260 meeting you. 01:15:19.260 --> 01:15:23.620 I mean, I don't, I know that you're a guy who doesn't see yourself that way, but from, 01:15:23.620 --> 01:15:28.140 from my little life and my little corner of the world, you really are a giant among giants 01:15:28.140 --> 01:15:32.700 and I can't thank you enough for, for talking to me. 01:15:32.700 --> 01:15:40.700 I guess that's, that's too much of a, you know, nothing, nothing, I speak Dutch. 01:15:40.700 --> 01:15:43.220 So I can understand that German. 01:15:43.220 --> 01:15:49.460 Okay, well, I mean, thanks so much for all the work and, you know, also your courage to 01:15:49.460 --> 01:15:55.180 really, you know, speak out and, and not be distracted, like from, from all these, you 01:15:55.180 --> 01:16:00.580 know, these, these, whatever they present as a narrative for like aspects of that. 01:16:00.580 --> 01:16:01.940 I have one last question. 01:16:01.940 --> 01:16:10.100 The disease X that is now kind of hovering in the, in the near side. 01:16:10.100 --> 01:16:13.580 That's also, I mean, in your point of view, I guess that's another story. 01:16:13.580 --> 01:16:18.300 Well, again, remember that I'm not suggesting to you that they can't make a lot of it. 01:16:18.300 --> 01:16:23.660 And so they can make a lot of, of an RNA and they could transfect hundreds or thousands 01:16:23.660 --> 01:16:28.740 of people in any given place using any number of, of known methodologies of aerosolizing 01:16:28.740 --> 01:16:32.500 the RNA or spraying it on people or droplets of it. 01:16:32.500 --> 01:16:33.780 I don't know how they would do it. 01:16:33.780 --> 01:16:35.980 They, they, they, they, can you eat it? 01:16:35.980 --> 01:16:36.980 You could eat it. 01:16:36.980 --> 01:16:37.980 Maybe. 01:16:37.980 --> 01:16:38.980 I don't know. 01:16:38.980 --> 01:16:41.980 But the point would be is that they can make this RNA, they can make this DNA in high 01:16:41.980 --> 01:16:44.140 quantities and then put it in places. 01:16:44.140 --> 01:16:45.860 Will it make people sick? 01:16:45.860 --> 01:16:46.860 Maybe. 01:16:46.860 --> 01:16:48.860 Will it make PCR test positive? 01:16:48.860 --> 01:16:49.860 Absolutely. 01:16:49.860 --> 01:16:51.580 Will it make sequencing high fidelity? 01:16:51.580 --> 01:16:52.580 Absolutely. 01:16:52.580 --> 01:16:55.580 They'd be able to find it in lots of places, absolutely. 01:16:55.580 --> 01:17:02.660 And so what I think we need to understand is that although an RNA molecule can't become 01:17:02.660 --> 01:17:09.260 disease X on its own with standard molecular biological techniques used in pharmaceutical 01:17:09.260 --> 01:17:14.340 companies all around the world, they could make enough of DNA and RNA to create the illusion 01:17:14.340 --> 01:17:15.340 of that. 01:17:15.340 --> 01:17:16.340 And that's the dangerous part. 01:17:16.340 --> 01:17:21.220 They can make a protein that's highly immunogenic and they could, they could put that protein 01:17:21.220 --> 01:17:25.300 into something and they could use a toxin to and then lie about it. 01:17:25.300 --> 01:17:30.340 Like there's lots of ways that they could make disease X show up that doesn't have anything 01:17:30.340 --> 01:17:35.540 to do with an RNA molecule perpetuating itself for years. 01:17:35.540 --> 01:17:38.780 That's, that's the biology we need to teach our kids because that's what disease X is. 01:17:38.780 --> 01:17:41.780 It's just an extension of this mythology. 01:17:41.780 --> 01:17:44.140 Yeah, that's right. 01:17:44.140 --> 01:17:45.740 So we got to watch out. 01:17:45.740 --> 01:17:46.740 Yeah. 01:17:46.740 --> 01:17:49.220 Thanks so much for, for being with us today. 01:17:49.220 --> 01:17:54.980 It's, yeah, it's been very inspirational also, I think on a lot of levels and I guess 01:17:54.980 --> 01:17:58.740 we just have to continue speaking out about what's going on. 01:17:58.740 --> 01:17:59.740 I agree. 01:17:59.740 --> 01:18:02.260 If you could share the, if you could share the link when you have it, I would, I would 01:18:02.260 --> 01:18:03.260 spread it out too. 01:18:03.260 --> 01:18:04.260 Yeah, we will. 01:18:04.260 --> 01:18:05.260 Thank you very much. 01:18:05.260 --> 01:18:06.260 We will. 01:18:06.260 --> 01:18:08.540 Thanks a lot and keep up the good work. 01:18:08.540 --> 01:18:09.540 Okay, I will. 01:18:09.540 --> 01:18:10.540 Thank you very much. 01:18:10.540 --> 01:18:11.540 Thank you. 01:18:11.540 --> 01:18:12.540 Thank you very much too. 01:18:12.540 --> 01:18:13.540 Bye bye. 01:18:13.540 --> 01:18:14.540 Thank you. 01:18:14.540 --> 01:18:15.540 Bye bye. 01:18:15.540 --> 01:18:16.540 Bye. 01:18:16.540 --> 01:18:17.540 Bye. 01:18:17.540 --> 01:18:18.540 Yeah. 01:18:18.540 --> 01:18:20.300 I don't even know what to say about that. 01:18:20.300 --> 01:18:22.940 I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to hang up before I start crying. 01:18:22.940 --> 01:18:24.420 Thank you very much for joining me. 01:18:24.420 --> 01:18:25.420 Thanks for being here. 01:18:25.420 --> 01:18:26.420 Live for that. 01:18:26.420 --> 01:18:27.740 I'm probably going to stream later. 01:18:27.740 --> 01:18:28.740 I got to decompress. 01:18:28.740 --> 01:18:32.300 I need some lunch and I need a coffee. 01:18:32.300 --> 01:18:33.300 That was just crazy. 01:18:33.300 --> 01:18:37.300 I just, I didn't, I had a bunch of stuff written down, but I never really said any 01:18:37.300 --> 01:18:38.300 of it. 01:18:38.300 --> 01:18:41.380 And I just kind of shot from the hip. 01:18:41.380 --> 01:18:45.620 So we'll see what it is on the replay and thank you very much for joining me. 01:18:45.620 --> 01:18:47.180 Have a good afternoon and I'll see you later. 01:18:47.180 --> 01:18:47.520 Thanks.