WEBVTT 00:06.806 --> 00:09.028 Man, I gotta see if I remember how to do this. 00:09.288 --> 00:10.029 Holy crap. 00:15.935 --> 00:16.836 Am I already on? 00:16.936 --> 00:17.937 Shoot, I'm already on. 00:55.117 --> 00:59.339 After the season, the season ended, he needed a break, so he went to the beach. 00:59.439 --> 01:04.841 As he was going down the beach, going down these dunes, he saw a military group working out on the beach. 01:24.056 --> 01:26.638 maybe 10, 15 lines, something like that. 01:27.118 --> 01:30.381 Each line maybe had about 10 or 20 army guys in it. 01:30.401 --> 01:32.122 So he started to walk a little closer. 01:33.143 --> 01:36.866 As he walked closer, he could see that the guys were drenched. 01:36.886 --> 01:38.627 They had on full army fatigue. 01:38.647 --> 01:41.449 They had all their weapon gear on, helmets on. 01:41.770 --> 01:44.011 But they were wet, and they had sand all over them. 01:44.051 --> 01:44.572 And he's watching. 01:44.612 --> 01:45.232 He saw something. 01:45.252 --> 01:47.134 They had these logs in their hands. 01:47.634 --> 01:49.856 And they were holding them up over their shoulders. 01:50.942 --> 01:54.625 three, maybe six, seven minutes, something like that. 01:54.645 --> 01:59.408 Think about how long it burns to hold your hands up like that and hold them straight. 01:59.428 --> 02:00.809 And they would hold them straight. 02:01.390 --> 02:02.891 Then they would curl them like this. 02:03.251 --> 02:15.841 They would get on the ground and do sit-ups together with them, put the log down, run into the ocean, swim around a buoy, come out, roll in the sand, run down the beach, run back, and do it all over again. 02:17.021 --> 02:20.164 And this thing happened as he's walking down to the beach. 02:21.243 --> 02:23.284 maybe 10 more minutes, 15 more minutes going. 02:23.444 --> 02:24.724 Each group was doing this. 02:25.545 --> 02:27.705 Some of the sergeants, the officers, saw him sitting there. 02:28.005 --> 02:30.386 And they could recognize who the coach was, so they didn't mind him watching. 02:31.467 --> 02:33.187 Soon as he got closer, he realized something. 02:33.667 --> 02:34.728 All these guys look alike. 02:35.728 --> 02:41.090 Same height, got the same cell phone, but he thought, in football, how do I pick my starters? 02:41.430 --> 02:42.250 Who catches the ball? 02:42.971 --> 02:43.831 Who makes the tackle? 02:44.831 --> 02:46.432 Who doesn't have too many missed assignments? 02:47.159 --> 02:48.579 You know, these are things that we judge you by. 02:48.619 --> 02:49.139 Who's taller? 02:49.159 --> 02:49.800 Who's shorter? 02:50.080 --> 02:50.960 Who has the heart? 02:51.420 --> 02:53.861 But all these guys look the same. 02:53.881 --> 02:58.542 And he was thinking, how do they pick who stays and who leaves? 02:58.902 --> 03:01.922 Because it was more than what a normal military group would have. 03:02.502 --> 03:03.283 But how do they pick? 03:04.143 --> 03:05.283 So he got closer and closer. 03:06.363 --> 03:08.044 Again, some of them had boats. 03:08.224 --> 03:09.804 Some of them had things that were holding them up again. 03:10.184 --> 03:13.725 Another three, six minutes, four minutes, doing the crunches. 03:14.221 --> 03:18.523 still holding their hands out straight, doing wall sit squats in the sand. 03:19.243 --> 03:23.425 And he came to the sergeant and he said, how do you pick who stays and who goes? 03:25.466 --> 03:28.848 And the sergeant looked at him and he smiled and he said, the ones who keep their arms straight. 03:30.388 --> 03:31.189 He said, excuse me? 03:31.209 --> 03:33.710 He said, the ones who keep their arms straight. 03:34.110 --> 03:36.691 He said, you don't think we go into battle with logs and boats, do you? 03:37.452 --> 03:38.812 Bullets are flying over your head. 03:39.092 --> 03:40.053 When adversity hits, 03:40.558 --> 03:47.882 When the firecrackers start going off, grenades, the ones who can stay in line, keep their horns straight through pressure, are the ones we want. 03:48.662 --> 03:51.024 Those are the ones that are going to have your back. 03:51.044 --> 03:55.526 So when the brush of the light strikes you and they say you can't do it, when people you love doubt you, 03:56.363 --> 03:58.784 When it's fourth and one and we need a first down and we need to stop. 03:59.585 --> 04:01.345 When somebody's phone turns the ball over. 04:01.686 --> 04:06.328 When a penalty hits, you get backed up 15 more yards and you gotta keep going. 04:06.528 --> 04:12.151 When we say run one more pass, when we say run off the field, who is keeping their arms straight? 04:13.911 --> 04:19.474 When adversity outside of football hits and you have to come in here and do your job, are you keeping your arms straight? 04:20.275 --> 04:23.056 Your families will depend on you to be that type of leader, man. 04:24.878 --> 04:26.619 That's what life has to teach you. 04:27.019 --> 04:28.959 That's what Colorado football would teach you. 04:29.280 --> 04:30.660 That's what these coaches would teach you. 04:30.980 --> 04:34.801 Listen, you've heard my story a million million times before. 04:34.901 --> 04:36.422 I've been with this man 17, 18 years. 04:38.423 --> 04:39.323 Pee-wee football. 04:41.724 --> 04:44.085 How many people wanted to be next to him, wanted my job? 04:44.605 --> 04:45.825 But guess what I did they couldn't do? 04:47.186 --> 04:48.026 I kept my arms straight. 04:49.306 --> 04:50.607 I didn't worry about what people were saying. 04:50.627 --> 04:52.207 I didn't worry about what people were doing. 04:52.627 --> 04:54.208 We just told you about believing in yourself. 04:56.237 --> 04:58.017 When stuff start happening, people say you can't do it. 04:58.237 --> 05:01.538 When we face adversity this year, keep your arms straight. 05:01.838 --> 05:02.738 Do the right technique. 05:03.759 --> 05:06.019 Make the right play, make the right execution. 05:06.039 --> 05:08.580 You do that in life, nothing will ever stop you. 05:08.860 --> 05:16.902 But once you start listening to everybody else, and the whistle's coming over your head, the bullets flying by you, and you cower in the corner, people then will label you. 05:18.842 --> 05:20.742 Understand me, all it takes is one thing, and it's you. 05:21.483 --> 05:22.983 And you keeping your arms straight. 05:24.375 --> 05:27.376 Say I can, I will, I am. 05:27.496 --> 05:31.278 I can, I will, I am. 05:31.458 --> 05:33.058 I can, I will, I am. 05:33.278 --> 05:35.739 I want you to ponder that thought, think about it. 05:37.380 --> 05:39.221 We got a longer day today than we had yesterday. 05:40.081 --> 05:43.562 I need you to know you can, you will, and you are. 05:49.837 --> 06:01.306 If you're not aware that Deion Sanders took over the Colorado Buffaloes because his kids are all going to school there and his son is going to be the quarterback, you might want to check it out. 06:02.507 --> 06:12.394 It is a very unique and can often be very inspiring insight, a slice of what America is now. 06:13.535 --> 06:17.338 There's all kinds of things to feel good about what goes on. 06:18.544 --> 06:19.645 at that place right now. 06:19.685 --> 06:26.308 I think Deion Sanders is a really interesting character because he was one of the greatest athletes of all time. 06:27.088 --> 06:32.271 And he's got a lot of wisdom that comes from old people and adults in his life. 06:33.051 --> 06:42.836 He's got a lot of wisdom from being one of these dudes who really understands that working hard every day and showing up is what is important. 06:43.396 --> 06:46.298 And all of his coaches are so inspiring like that, excuse me. 06:49.725 --> 07:00.111 And what I find really cool about the whole thing is that they, they are trying to motivate a team that, that lost so many games in the past. 07:00.151 --> 07:04.633 They won the national championship, I think when I was a high school senior. 07:04.693 --> 07:05.273 So that would have been 1990. 07:07.458 --> 07:20.446 And last year, I think they only won one game and now it's like going to be this thing, you know, that they're going to try and turn it around with a new coach and a new staff and a new, and the vibe is really cool because it's very motivationally. 07:21.657 --> 07:24.921 philosophically driven that these guys have to bring it every day. 07:24.961 --> 07:26.903 And I think you would really enjoy it a lot. 07:27.864 --> 07:29.405 It's hard to find positivity. 07:30.566 --> 07:42.038 And what this guy, what this talk is about in my mind, and what's relevant to us is that there are certain people at the beginning of the pandemic that kept their arms straight. 07:43.919 --> 07:51.246 There are certain people at the beginning of the pandemic that knew that something was wrong, that something was incongruent. 07:52.567 --> 08:10.243 And then those people hit the books, they hit the papers, they asked the questions, they taught themselves or read what was necessary to read in order to make sure that they could defend their sovereignty against any challenge. 08:12.557 --> 08:22.739 and that they could stand up for what's right, rather than assuming that the truth was on television, rather than assuming that everything was being done in our best interest. 08:24.559 --> 08:30.741 There's something in that about keeping your arms straight that I think everybody needs to start to reflect on. 08:31.281 --> 08:34.741 And we have been purposefully misdirected so that we won't. 08:35.822 --> 08:40.563 That we won't go back and look at the internet archive, the actual, 08:44.161 --> 08:46.963 proof of what people were saying in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022. 08:47.063 --> 08:48.844 The actual proof of what these people were doing in 2017, 18, 19 on Facebook. 08:48.944 --> 08:56.308 And once we start to dissect these people that we thought were good people, that we thought were speaking out, that we thought were part of this 09:10.799 --> 09:18.423 crazy, interesting time that we're all involved in, we need to look back and see who kept their arms straight. 09:20.764 --> 09:39.533 Because I think if we look back and we find out and we identify the people who didn't keep their arms straight and we find them right now pretending as if they did, we can make a lot of progress in terms of finding out, finding our way out together. 09:41.701 --> 09:44.064 because I am really done playing. 09:45.426 --> 09:58.424 I'm done pretending that I'm among a bunch of people who kept their arms straight and we're gonna put our arms around each other and we're all gonna win because that's not the way it was. 10:00.145 --> 10:05.228 There were a lots of people that were afraid and said crazy things. 10:05.308 --> 10:08.630 A lot of people that were proud and said crazy things. 10:08.750 --> 10:18.796 A lot of people that were certain and said crazy things and have now come around and pretended as though they're not saying that and didn't say them. 10:18.816 --> 10:22.758 And that that's just, no, we cannot allow this to happen. 10:23.739 --> 10:26.080 We are at a crucial moment right now. 10:27.278 --> 10:40.683 where if we let this moment slip or we let these people have a free pass on this, where we're going to be in permanent danger. 10:42.923 --> 10:49.986 I cannot stress enough how important it is to reflect on whether or not the people that you trust kept their arms straight. 10:54.908 --> 10:56.108 I cannot stress it enough. 11:00.009 --> 11:01.029 I don't know if this is gonna work. 11:04.431 --> 11:07.152 Oh, it's on. 11:07.172 --> 11:08.813 They get really fired up about that. 11:09.393 --> 11:10.494 And I really like that. 11:10.554 --> 11:14.895 So again, you can see all kinds of cool things on that. 11:15.036 --> 11:16.576 It's just really motivating. 11:16.836 --> 11:20.898 And if you don't know who Deion Sanders is, what was that? 11:23.779 --> 11:25.220 Somebody trying to mess with me here. 11:26.775 --> 11:32.501 Well, we are here this morning because I think there's a lot of work to do and I think that people like 11:34.673 --> 11:59.454 Mark Kulak have been doing a lot of work while I have been doing other things and so I think it's about time first of all that I give a big plug to Mark because if you check out his last few videos I know that they don't always stay up because of their content but they're usually posted elsewhere I know you guys that follow him know how to do that you've really got to check it out because I think 12:01.332 --> 12:09.216 Again, we need to work harder at establishing who got us here. 12:10.296 --> 12:20.281 And that's why I think it's useful to go back all the way to the very beginning, the beginning of Robert Malone. 12:20.421 --> 12:28.945 And I don't think anybody is really going to object to the characterization 12:30.226 --> 12:43.978 of the Brett Weinstein podcast, the Dark Horse podcast, where Robert Malone and Steve Kirsch came out, if you will, about the RNA transfections. 12:45.118 --> 12:50.002 I think this is really a crucial moment in the Scooby-Doo narrative. 12:51.014 --> 13:00.437 And as I reflect on the Scooby-Doo narrative, when I originally came to this description, I really feel as though it was really very egoistic. 13:00.477 --> 13:02.538 You know, I'm thinking about how did they fool me? 13:04.579 --> 13:14.322 And over the last few weeks and months, I've really come to understand it, of course, in a broader perspective in how they've fooled all of us. 13:16.570 --> 13:24.980 That, I think, was most masterfully done with some very key actors and actresses. 13:26.121 --> 13:27.903 I guess you call them all actors nowadays. 13:29.932 --> 13:50.981 The actors that I'm interested in are those that have taken the spotlight at one time or another and then claimed it and held it as either inventors or crusaders or people who have spoken out very early or purveyors of misinformation. 13:51.001 --> 13:51.602 There's lots of 13:52.262 --> 13:55.404 titles that people have given themselves. 13:56.565 --> 13:58.546 The Mother of Dragons, you know, this kind of thing. 13:58.907 --> 14:08.153 But let's say the inventor of airplanes or the first person to speak out about bears, you know, this kind of thing. 14:09.174 --> 14:13.557 And so he'll just go away. 14:14.438 --> 14:15.278 Which way do I have to look? 14:15.298 --> 14:16.239 Do I have to look that way? 14:16.359 --> 14:17.260 Oh, I have to look that way. 14:17.320 --> 14:18.140 He'll go away. 14:20.686 --> 14:22.487 I really think this is going to be a lot of fun. 14:22.827 --> 14:26.089 I just... It's been a long time since I've been on. 14:26.149 --> 14:31.572 I've had a lot of... A lot of life happening, let's say it like that. 14:32.873 --> 14:36.415 And so I apologize for not being around. 14:36.435 --> 14:38.416 Oh, I wanted it to do different there. 14:38.476 --> 14:41.077 Why didn't that do... Oh, because I was on green. 14:42.618 --> 14:44.719 Still trying to work out how this works here. 14:45.640 --> 14:47.641 I'm going to fade this out. 14:48.281 --> 14:49.862 And then see if I can end that. 14:51.505 --> 14:53.307 Should be able to end the show, right? 15:00.853 --> 15:06.018 Why am I having such a goofy... It's because I'm trying to use this third screen. 15:06.078 --> 15:06.819 I apologize. 15:08.413 --> 15:18.098 I've had this ability to use the C like that, use the third screen, and I've been trying to figure out how to do it, but then I have to push an extra button to get myself back down. 15:18.158 --> 15:18.958 I don't know what I'm doing. 15:19.058 --> 15:19.759 Anyway, here we go. 15:20.279 --> 15:21.099 I'm so excited. 15:21.539 --> 15:22.420 Thank you very much. 15:22.440 --> 15:25.902 56 people joining me in the middle of the morning. 15:25.962 --> 15:26.722 It's very nice. 15:26.882 --> 15:31.264 This has to be the other mouse, but this will allow me to take notes. 15:32.705 --> 15:36.667 So hopefully I can have a little more fun with this than normal. 15:38.186 --> 15:38.267 Um... 15:44.775 --> 15:45.335 Here they are. 15:45.355 --> 15:46.095 Hey, folks. 15:46.415 --> 15:48.636 Welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. 15:49.296 --> 15:50.516 I am Brett Weinstein. 15:50.776 --> 15:55.877 I should say, in this case, I am Dr. Brett Weinstein, and that will become relevant based on what our topic is. 15:56.137 --> 15:56.798 He's smiling. 15:56.818 --> 15:57.618 He showed his teeth. 15:57.638 --> 16:01.078 A little bit about who I am, and then I will introduce our two guests. 16:01.418 --> 16:03.839 I'm not really sure he's very comfortable, actually. 16:03.879 --> 16:04.199 Look at that. 16:04.259 --> 16:05.679 My specialty is evolution. 16:05.979 --> 16:08.400 I have some background in immunobiology. 16:09.432 --> 16:10.833 And I'm going to be acting. 16:11.334 --> 16:14.076 He has some background in immunobiology. 16:14.116 --> 16:15.517 That's an interesting claim. 16:15.577 --> 16:17.418 I've never heard him make that claim before. 16:17.458 --> 16:18.519 Wow, good for you, Brett. 16:18.599 --> 16:19.980 I wonder what that background is. 16:20.140 --> 16:27.466 Today in the role of professor sometimes, student other times, traffic cop, and translator. 16:27.566 --> 16:36.372 That's my plan in order to get this very complex story simple enough that people can understand it because it is of the utmost importance. 16:37.338 --> 16:37.718 All right. 16:37.918 --> 16:48.646 Oh, so you hear Brett is already positioning himself as somebody who's uniquely qualified to make these very complex issues accessible to you, useless eaters. 16:49.507 --> 16:54.810 Just not saying he's trying to insult us, you know, but I mean, he's positioning himself really. 16:54.831 --> 17:00.795 I use very big words and make very long sentences, but I can dumb it down for you. 17:01.684 --> 17:04.245 which I've never really, anyway. 17:04.325 --> 17:21.992 One other thing I should say is that there is also a final role for me, which is that when I was a graduate student, I did some work on telomeres, senescence, and cancer, and accidentally unearthed a flaw in our drug safety system that as far as I know still exists, despite my effort to raise the alarm about it. 17:22.132 --> 17:29.955 So anyway, this is not the first time I have encountered the drug safety issue, and it is a thorny and wicked problem, as some might say. 17:30.695 --> 17:32.476 To my right, we have Robert Malone. 17:32.616 --> 17:36.419 Robert Malone is an MD, PhD? 17:36.719 --> 17:37.560 No, Master's. 17:37.840 --> 17:39.401 Master's and MD. 17:39.421 --> 17:47.027 He is also, and most significantly here, the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology from back as a graduate student, am I correct? 17:47.327 --> 17:49.589 Yeah, and I'm also a licensed physician in Maryland. 17:49.889 --> 17:51.170 A licensed physician in Maryland. 17:51.530 --> 17:56.114 And to my left is Steve Kirsch, who is a serial entrepreneur. 17:56.815 --> 18:03.520 And actually, you want to tell us about your role in COVID treatment research? 18:03.800 --> 18:04.000 Sure. 18:04.080 --> 18:14.149 I started the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund, and we fund scientists throughout the world on looking at repurposed drugs for outpatient clinical trials. 18:14.870 --> 18:23.017 And because using repurposed drugs is the fastest, safest, and lowest cost way to end the pandemic. 18:24.557 --> 18:25.378 All right, excellent. 18:25.478 --> 18:29.602 So I must say that this is a difficult topic for us to address. 18:30.063 --> 18:38.471 We all, I believe, are agreed that something very serious is afoot and the public is largely unaware that they have been placed into a kind of danger. 18:38.752 --> 18:45.459 And we also know that there's a great... We all, I believe, are agreed that something very serious is afoot and the public is largely unaware 18:46.159 --> 18:55.346 that they have been placed into a kind of danger, and we also know that there's a great deal of stigma directed at those who would explore these dangers. 18:56.067 --> 19:07.916 I know that I personally feel a certain amount of jeopardy over talking about these things publicly, but I also feel a moral obligation to do so in light of the fact that I believe in my heart of hearts that a great many lives are at stake. 19:08.837 --> 19:13.060 There's just simply no question that come hell or high water, this must be discussed. 19:13.340 --> 19:15.442 I would imagine you gentlemen feel similarly? 19:16.809 --> 19:24.175 Yeah, I'm particularly concerned by all the censorship because it's making so that we cannot have a rational discussion. 19:25.496 --> 19:26.717 Cannot have a rational discussion. 19:26.737 --> 19:29.339 I think it's a very fair way to put it. 19:30.200 --> 19:35.364 I should also point out that our viewers will have noticed that we are sitting here unmasked. 19:35.665 --> 19:42.651 And I should point out that actually we are, in an interesting sense, a model of something that I believe is not on the public radar. 19:43.391 --> 19:46.732 So if I'm correct, you, Robert, have had COVID. 19:47.032 --> 19:49.812 I've had COVID, and I've been fully vaccinated with Moderna. 19:50.032 --> 19:50.372 All right. 19:51.132 --> 19:53.413 Steve, you have been vaccinated. 19:54.393 --> 19:55.713 Fully vaccinated with Moderna. 19:55.993 --> 19:56.313 All right. 19:56.513 --> 19:59.674 I am unvaccinated, but I am on prophylactic ivermectin. 20:00.014 --> 20:11.776 And the data actually, shocking as this will be to some people, the data suggests that prophylactic ivermectin is something like 100% effective at preventing people from contracting COVID when taken properly. 20:12.316 --> 20:17.277 So aside from the risk that possibly the ivermectin I got wasn't real. 20:18.418 --> 20:19.738 I am sorry. 20:21.779 --> 20:26.120 You know, sometimes these kinds of things really, they're hard to process when they're happening. 20:27.080 --> 20:30.401 I hope you just heard that and I hope you understand how significant it is. 20:30.861 --> 20:32.322 They started with censorship. 20:32.962 --> 20:34.322 We are unmasked. 20:35.082 --> 20:38.703 Two people are fully vaccinated and I'm using a 100% effective prophylactic 20:42.298 --> 20:52.884 which means that we are all participating in something that's really not on the public's radar, but you can survive and live together. 20:52.964 --> 21:04.950 And, and strangers can, can interact if they're fully vaccinated with Moderna, or if you're like me and you know, the secret weapon is just prophylactic use of ivermectin. 21:05.490 --> 21:06.971 Holy crap. 21:07.431 --> 21:08.392 Are you kidding me? 21:10.768 --> 21:12.689 I didn't even have to work for five minutes. 21:17.671 --> 21:19.071 I can almost start crying. 21:20.312 --> 21:23.893 I can't believe I haven't taken the time to come back and watch this movie. 21:26.174 --> 21:33.517 You might think that I'm faking this, but actually it's been a very, very, very long on a list of things to do. 21:33.637 --> 21:35.217 Mark has been telling me to watch it. 21:35.237 --> 21:37.138 He's been sending me these clips and notes. 21:38.595 --> 21:46.818 but from the middle of this three hours, not from the very beginning where they started off with everything, where they started off with everything. 21:47.238 --> 21:50.459 So everybody, what month is this? 21:50.879 --> 21:51.579 Holy shit. 21:53.840 --> 21:54.741 What month is this? 21:55.421 --> 21:56.981 Hold on, I gotta get it. 21:57.802 --> 22:00.262 I don't know, maybe I made a mistake here by using two. 22:03.143 --> 22:04.244 What month is this? 22:05.544 --> 22:07.145 This would have been what, in June? 22:08.342 --> 22:09.342 When did they do this? 22:11.823 --> 22:12.903 Does somebody know when? 22:12.923 --> 22:15.184 Oh my gosh. 22:16.484 --> 22:17.564 You gotta be kidding me. 22:17.584 --> 22:19.044 I don't even need to watch the rest. 22:19.144 --> 22:20.125 I don't know when this was. 22:20.185 --> 22:21.885 I think it was June of 2021. 22:23.805 --> 22:25.946 I mean, someone can tell, right? 22:27.166 --> 22:27.446 June, 2021. 22:28.666 --> 22:28.907 Right. 22:28.987 --> 22:30.667 So June 11th, even. 22:31.167 --> 22:33.167 So think about this. 22:33.227 --> 22:35.348 How many people have already had the shot then? 22:37.025 --> 22:37.666 Think about this. 22:37.726 --> 22:39.547 How many people have already had this shot? 22:39.587 --> 22:41.689 How many people have already been injured by the shot? 22:41.709 --> 22:45.152 How many old people have just had a stroke two weeks later? 22:45.172 --> 22:46.714 Wow, darn, sorry. 22:49.936 --> 22:53.319 These guys aren't coming out before the shot was rolled out. 22:53.379 --> 22:56.482 You see, the shot is already in the process of being rolled out. 22:56.802 --> 22:58.544 They're already lowering the age. 22:59.024 --> 23:03.008 And these guys got on there and said, I'm really upset about the censorship. 23:05.373 --> 23:08.895 Remdesivir has been used for like almost a year already. 23:12.437 --> 23:13.737 I'm fully vaccinated. 23:13.797 --> 23:15.158 He's fully vaccinated. 23:15.338 --> 23:17.259 And, and, or no, he's fully back. 23:17.279 --> 23:18.039 He's fully bad. 23:18.139 --> 23:19.820 I I'm using ivermectin. 23:19.880 --> 23:28.725 And if you use it appropriately, if you know the Freemason secret weapon way of using ivermectin by putting it between your toast 23:31.701 --> 23:34.884 then you, you can also prevent COVID. 23:35.244 --> 23:39.728 So there are ways that you can hang out with your friends without masks indoors. 23:40.109 --> 23:42.050 And we're going to tell you how to do it. 23:42.511 --> 23:44.092 And what is the title of this? 23:44.593 --> 23:46.094 Three Simple Steps. 23:46.735 --> 23:48.136 Holy crap. 23:49.758 --> 23:51.320 Why would we need to do anything else? 23:51.360 --> 23:58.571 Shouldn't I just stop the stream and start it again so that this is separate from the rest of the ranting that I'm not even going to get? 23:58.591 --> 24:03.278 How am I going to get through three hours of this if I haven't even gotten through four minutes? 24:05.322 --> 24:08.163 Do you see how clearly clear this is? 24:08.223 --> 24:10.404 Do you see how clear this is? 24:10.884 --> 24:11.564 Censorship? 24:12.104 --> 24:13.184 Look at this, this is all the notes. 24:14.105 --> 24:15.065 This is all the notes. 24:15.865 --> 24:17.186 All the notes I've been able to take. 24:17.306 --> 24:19.426 Censorship first is what they started with. 24:19.466 --> 24:20.647 We are unmasked. 24:20.847 --> 24:24.928 Notice, ladies and gentlemen, we are unmasked. 24:25.959 --> 24:30.260 Let us tell you the secrets to how you too can be unmasked. 24:30.900 --> 24:36.021 You and your family and friends can enjoy a real unmasked existence. 24:36.101 --> 24:48.763 If you follow these simple rules, be fully vaccinated with Moderna or learn the secrets to the prophylactic application of ivermectin and the prevention of infection. 24:49.603 --> 24:51.664 Holy crap. 24:52.484 --> 24:53.384 Holy crap. 24:57.441 --> 24:58.863 I have every reason to think it was. 24:58.943 --> 25:02.508 It certainly appears to be the genuine article. 25:03.349 --> 25:12.021 I believe that what we have here is a demonstration of a kind of composite herd immunity through three different routes, COVID, vaccine, 25:12.661 --> 25:33.748 and ivermectin we are protected and you are that's fair doubly protected so i would just say that for anybody who's enthusiastic about the vaccines if you're malone is doubly protected because he had covid and then he was smart enough as an immunologist to think well since i've had it already i might as well get the shot as if that was exactly what we did with measles for example 25:35.620 --> 25:39.223 Interview some old lady and you say, hey, have you been vaccinated to measles? 25:39.283 --> 25:41.966 I said, well, I had it when I was a kid Oh, we should vaccinate you. 25:42.006 --> 25:45.789 Anyway, they don't do that They don't do that. 25:45.849 --> 25:54.637 It's the primary counter indication of not needing the vaccine as if you've had it already And yet as a master 25:55.569 --> 26:14.769 as one of the guru level guys with regard to vaccination, because he's been peddling vaccinations between governments and non-governmental organizations like the WHO and CEPI and others for decades, running around behind the scenes at those conferences, all that stuff. 26:14.809 --> 26:15.810 That's Robert Malone. 26:17.321 --> 26:28.378 is here telling us that despite having the disease, he decided to get fully vaccinated with Moderna anyway, fully knowing, I guess, that he would never do that for any other. 26:28.398 --> 26:31.442 Holy, what is going on here? 26:33.188 --> 26:37.589 Four minutes and 24 seconds, and I've already wasted 25 minutes. 26:37.689 --> 26:40.810 I mean, I'm sorry, guys, this is gonna be, you might as well get your popcorn. 26:41.010 --> 26:43.691 We're unconvinced by what we have to say about the hazard of them. 26:44.151 --> 27:01.176 One thing to consider is that the way to get society to herd immunity and therefore drive COVID-19 to extinction, which ought to be our goal, the way to do it is to get people into this category one way or the other, whether that's through prophylaxis, whether it's through a vaccine, or whether it's because they've had COVID already. 27:01.835 --> 27:04.056 Okay, I'm sorry, how much farther do we need to go? 27:04.116 --> 27:05.156 These guys are all wrong. 27:07.097 --> 27:16.061 They were all wrong and they all went on and they shouted fire in the theater and then they did this. 27:18.662 --> 27:23.084 They essentially poured concrete around the narrative. 27:23.996 --> 27:25.117 in most people's heads. 27:25.718 --> 27:27.379 People saw this three hours. 27:27.399 --> 27:34.326 It was the first time they sat down and watched anything for more than three hours except for a series like Game of Thrones. 27:34.386 --> 27:35.247 Are you kidding me? 27:38.590 --> 27:43.334 Do you not see how a perfect enchantment this is? 27:45.997 --> 27:47.799 How many people have watched it since? 27:48.700 --> 27:50.381 How many people saw it a month later? 27:50.421 --> 27:51.602 How many people heard about it? 27:51.762 --> 27:52.603 Six months later? 27:52.663 --> 27:53.683 Do you understand? 27:54.904 --> 28:00.348 This is a psychological nuclear bomb right here, except it exists. 28:00.568 --> 28:01.169 It's real. 28:01.269 --> 28:02.650 It's right here to see it. 28:03.130 --> 28:04.551 You can, you can review it. 28:05.111 --> 28:11.916 You can rewind the explosion and you can listen to what it did to your brain. 28:13.410 --> 28:32.636 Because even though you now know that would be ridiculous to say, it would be ridiculous to say we are demonstrating a kind of, a kind of hybrid herd immunity because between him being fully vaccinated and previously infected, right? 28:39.793 --> 28:40.693 I'm a little shaky. 28:40.733 --> 28:41.374 Sorry about that. 28:41.454 --> 28:42.614 And previously infected. 28:42.654 --> 28:49.477 And then Steve Kirsch is fully vaccinated and Brett is on a prophylactic regimen of ivermectin. 28:49.857 --> 29:01.322 They are demonstrating how you and your family can achieve an unmasked existence, a closed quarters, unmasked existence that, that almost resembles the old normal. 29:04.841 --> 29:06.102 Holy crap. 29:08.164 --> 29:16.532 One could argue that if everybody just took ivermectin for a month worldwide we would end the pandemic. 29:16.733 --> 29:20.616 Some will find the title that I have given this episode perplexing. 29:21.317 --> 29:27.383 I would ask them to stick with the episode through the end and I will explain why I titled it as I did. 29:27.403 --> 29:29.045 I really believe that actually 29:29.645 --> 29:39.948 we have the capacity at any moment we decide to utilize it to end the pandemic and that it is well within reach should we choose to see what is in front of us. 29:40.088 --> 29:41.868 But we will get there later on. 29:42.908 --> 29:47.330 It's kind of like Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz that she always had the ability to go back to Kansas. 29:47.850 --> 29:50.210 We've always had the ability to end this pandemic. 29:50.250 --> 29:53.131 It's just a question of whether we want to use it or not. 29:53.351 --> 29:56.214 Well, actually, I'm going to push back slightly on you, Steve. 29:56.655 --> 30:02.901 I was actually going to inquire from my friends who are closest to this, but I didn't get to it before the podcast. 30:02.921 --> 30:08.407 But I believe we probably have had the ability to end the pandemic at any point in the last six months that we chose to. 30:08.507 --> 30:11.691 I'm not sure it goes all the way back because I'm not sure we would have known what to do. 30:13.204 --> 30:19.926 Yes, we've had the drugs available and then the know-how we developed late last year. 30:21.046 --> 30:28.088 Okay, so if you'll let me, my pushback as a molecular virologist and physician and outbreak specialist. 30:29.669 --> 30:35.010 I think that herd immunity is a noble cause and objective. 30:36.175 --> 30:43.657 But if you look worldwide, um, I, I think that we kind of have to plan that we're unlikely to achieve it. 30:44.057 --> 30:48.838 So I, I, I. So keep in mind when this is, this is June 21. 30:49.078 --> 30:51.578 So we're already through the winter. 30:52.999 --> 30:58.260 We've already gone through winter time and Christmas break with the college kids. 30:59.417 --> 31:10.063 where Richard Ebright said on Twitter that if we open the colleges in the fall of 2020, we're gonna kill a quarter million college kids. 31:11.123 --> 31:17.407 Then he kind of flipped it around and said, well, by the end of the year, there's gonna be 200,000 people dead because the college kids will spread it around. 31:18.536 --> 31:23.761 then we get to June and now we've rolled out these vaccines. 31:24.302 --> 31:35.212 We've done dances on late night shows and all of the, even the Saturday Night Live skit about the boomers got the vax. 31:36.013 --> 31:46.959 is all about how the old people got the best vaccines and the things that are left over are for the people that aren't as old as them because they rolled it out like that. 31:47.439 --> 31:54.303 And so they were kind of like making fun of how the really good stuff like Moderna, like they're talking about here. 31:54.403 --> 31:57.024 We go with, got double bags with Moderna, the best one. 31:57.044 --> 32:01.166 I mean, he's the smartest guy, so he chose Moderna. 32:01.186 --> 32:02.747 So it must be the best one, right? 32:05.066 --> 32:11.870 And so now we're in June and they're trying to get from the elderly to the 50 year olds like these guys are to the 40 year olds. 32:12.330 --> 32:15.972 And they're convincing them that this is a good strategy to get out. 32:16.812 --> 32:18.313 Now, Brett hasn't taken it. 32:18.933 --> 32:22.896 Some people in the chat are making the point, do we really know that he's taken it? 32:23.776 --> 32:30.460 I think it's very likely that that guy over there took it, but we don't really know if any of these guys took it. 32:31.460 --> 32:32.501 As far as we know, 32:33.479 --> 32:35.360 The main game here is lying. 32:36.301 --> 32:43.247 So if it is really just saying you're fully vaccinated to be fully vaccinated, I would be happy to lie. 32:43.867 --> 32:55.396 If they're in their shoes and there's a gun, you know, just maybe there's somebody with a pistol right over here behind Steve's head. 32:55.937 --> 33:00.640 Or maybe there's a pistol under the table at the hip of Robert Malone. 33:00.720 --> 33:01.321 I don't know. 33:02.363 --> 33:05.624 but it's lying, lying is not a big deal. 33:07.264 --> 33:20.368 And I think that we have to come to the realization that something is going on here and it is incongruent for this guy to be, what did he call himself? 33:20.988 --> 33:30.591 Sorry, I'm gonna go back because he does state his many, many, let's say, expertises or whatever. 33:32.572 --> 33:42.897 I didn't get to it before the podcast, but I believe we probably have had the ability to end the pandemic at any point in the last six months that we chose to. 33:42.997 --> 33:46.179 I'm not sure it goes all the way back because I'm not sure we would have known what to do. 33:47.709 --> 33:49.170 Yes, we've had the drugs. 33:49.551 --> 34:02.800 OK, so Brett puts down the idea that at some point we knew and we could have figured it out, but we somehow hampered it with censorship and with not allowing these repurposed drugs. 34:02.820 --> 34:06.583 I'm not sure really where he's going, because then Steve says, yeah, we've had the drugs. 34:07.084 --> 34:10.906 So the idea is, again, we've identified drugs that work. 34:11.327 --> 34:12.548 Presumably, Steve 34:13.228 --> 34:14.592 keep pointing the wrong way. 34:14.653 --> 34:18.244 Presumably Steve is thinking, is it, is it? 34:20.703 --> 34:25.566 fluvoxamine or whatever one he was working on, or is it famotidine or is, what is it? 34:25.927 --> 34:33.432 One of these drugs that we're doing clinical trials on, because again, he's got a foundation that's looking at repurposed drugs. 34:33.472 --> 34:36.834 And then here comes, let's see what his qualifications are again. 34:37.034 --> 34:37.534 Available. 34:37.955 --> 34:42.077 And then the know-how we developed late last year. 34:42.097 --> 34:42.598 Right. 34:42.898 --> 34:43.258 Yeah. 34:43.278 --> 34:43.418 Okay. 34:43.438 --> 34:50.223 So if you'll let me, my pushback as a virologist, a molecular virologist and physician and outbreak specialist. 34:51.827 --> 34:57.182 I think that herd immunity is a noble cause and objective. 34:58.326 --> 35:02.707 But if you look worldwide, I think that... Sorry, I missed it. 35:02.747 --> 35:03.627 I was reading the chat. 35:03.647 --> 35:05.587 I was reading the chat. 35:05.607 --> 35:12.368 Yes, we've had the drugs available and then the know-how we developed late last year. 35:12.388 --> 35:12.908 Right. 35:13.509 --> 35:27.471 Okay, so if you'll let me, my pushback as a molecular virologist and physician and outbreak specialist, I think that... So, herd immunity is a noble cause and objective. 35:28.547 --> 35:34.909 He's a virologist, molecular virologist, physician, and outbreak specialist. 35:34.989 --> 35:35.810 It's pretty impressive. 35:36.930 --> 35:44.432 But if you look worldwide, I think that we kind of have to plan that we're unlikely to achieve it. 35:44.833 --> 35:47.474 So I applaud the logic. 35:49.221 --> 35:51.181 I think the probability is really high. 35:51.221 --> 35:58.083 There's no way pragmatically we're going to get there and we're going to be stuck with this virus in various forms for the rest of our lives. 35:58.143 --> 35:58.423 All right. 35:58.483 --> 35:59.343 Well, here's the thing. 36:00.563 --> 36:04.544 We're not going to get bogged down here because it's not the central reason for our conversation. 36:04.804 --> 36:16.367 I do want to have that conversation with you at some point because I believe what I'm doing is I'm probably butchering the term herd immunity by arguing that somebody who's on prophylactic ivermectin is within the herd. 36:17.087 --> 36:25.792 But in any case, I believe that it is possible based on at least the Argentina study, which suggests essentially 100% effectiveness of ivermectin. 36:26.013 --> 36:27.513 So he plugged it twice now. 36:27.854 --> 36:29.775 Brett has plugged ivermectin twice. 36:29.835 --> 36:36.739 We're not talking about him having taught himself anything relevant to the treatment of respiratory disease. 36:37.807 --> 36:51.657 We're not talking about him understanding the basics of how respiratory disease has been categorized before 2020 and how it was changed in 2021 or going forward from 2020. 36:53.778 --> 36:56.941 So notice how strict they are here. 36:57.161 --> 36:58.782 They're not teaching you anything. 36:59.966 --> 37:22.522 In fact, they're outlining a very specific and almost irrelevant narrative, given what we know now, which is the huge percentage of iatrogenic deaths that were probably caused by not treating secondary pneumonia correctly, by using remdesivir and assuming that that didn't cause any side effects. 37:24.520 --> 37:32.503 And so the deaths that have happened up until this point where we're watching this video are not all COVID already. 37:32.923 --> 37:34.744 And we already knew that. 37:36.845 --> 37:41.227 And people were fighting and losing their career because they already knew that. 37:41.327 --> 37:44.308 And yet that has not been mentioned at all yet. 37:46.581 --> 37:53.427 but instead we're talking about ending the pandemic was possible, maybe not right at the beginning, but very soon afterward. 37:54.208 --> 38:00.414 And we could end it at least earlier than we have because we have the drugs and we have the know-how. 38:00.895 --> 38:03.877 There is, we needed to know other things. 38:04.298 --> 38:10.784 And the Argentina study proves that ivermectin is one of those things that once we discovered it, we could have used it. 38:12.435 --> 38:23.122 And so again, ivermectin completely overwrites the role that remdesivir plays in terms of all cause mortality. 38:23.142 --> 38:31.387 It overwrites the role that these protocols that we've been enacted here for already a year and four months. 38:35.194 --> 38:39.996 See this for what it is, please, because these are the people that we need. 38:41.056 --> 38:42.817 This is the way that we get out of this. 38:46.098 --> 38:48.459 Because you notice that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 38:48.519 --> 38:49.599 is not at this table. 38:50.279 --> 38:53.080 You notice that Peter McCullough is not at this table. 38:53.481 --> 38:55.962 You notice that Ryan Cole is not at this table. 38:57.222 --> 38:59.643 You notice that Pierre Kory is not at this table. 38:59.963 --> 39:02.444 You notice a lot of people are not at this table. 39:03.277 --> 39:07.098 And before this, there was no one but me. 39:09.439 --> 39:13.880 And a lot of other people that were standing up about certain things. 39:15.861 --> 39:18.602 Very few people standing up about natural immunity. 39:18.782 --> 39:23.583 Very few people standing up about the transfection. 39:23.723 --> 39:32.766 Very few people had written a review asking us to pause with the transfections because of their potential dangers. 39:34.016 --> 39:34.336 I did. 39:36.238 --> 39:37.659 And is Brett sharing it here? 39:39.201 --> 39:41.242 Is Brett talking about it here? 39:41.322 --> 39:44.185 Is he, is he, is he promoting it on any podcast? 39:44.805 --> 39:45.026 No. 39:46.487 --> 39:55.675 He's on here right now in June of 2021, a month after I wrote my review that he's well aware of and was well aware of why I was writing it. 39:57.817 --> 39:58.958 He's here doing this. 40:00.719 --> 40:01.500 Think about this. 40:05.367 --> 40:06.568 I have to think about it for a minute. 40:06.608 --> 40:08.910 Hold on a second, I might be telling a bullshit there. 40:10.651 --> 40:12.392 The years are all smeared together. 40:13.793 --> 40:16.475 I have to look at the review to make sure that it was then. 40:16.496 --> 40:19.258 Yeah, it was really May 2021. 40:20.298 --> 40:22.240 No shit, excuse my language. 40:23.000 --> 40:27.824 It's just sometimes really hard for me to believe that this is all part of the same thing. 40:29.145 --> 40:31.147 And I remember it now as I sit here and 40:32.307 --> 40:38.769 I was actually really excited that these guys came out and started talking about the fact that the shot might not work as expected. 40:40.069 --> 40:44.091 But now I'm looking at it and I'm realizing that, wait, they're not even saying that. 40:45.151 --> 40:54.694 They're saying that it can work, that it often does work, but then now they're going to say something, I guess, like it sometimes doesn't work. 40:54.794 --> 40:58.395 I'm, aren't you having a revelation here too? 41:00.265 --> 41:06.549 I mean, look, I can show you it's, it's, it's, it's right here. 41:06.730 --> 41:08.591 I mean, here's the review. 41:10.893 --> 41:20.119 Transfections not are not vaccine stop transfections now written by Jonathan Cooley and Piper Stover on May 18th, 2021. 41:21.500 --> 41:23.361 I mean, I don't, and this is June, 2021. 41:31.465 --> 41:41.053 Do you not see what's happening here when you realize that these guys started this with the big message that we've got a way for you to spend time without masks? 41:41.093 --> 41:42.774 No, Brett is the one who said it. 41:42.854 --> 41:45.216 The bandana man is the one who said it. 41:45.876 --> 41:50.120 You'll notice that we are all here without masks and we don't live together. 41:51.401 --> 41:56.005 Of course, Heather and him can be without masks because they live together, but these guys are strangers. 41:56.025 --> 41:58.867 They're coming into my home without masks on. 42:00.882 --> 42:04.964 And the reason why is because they've been anointed by Moderna. 42:06.204 --> 42:06.624 Wow. 42:06.644 --> 42:10.766 I totally agree with you. 42:11.066 --> 42:11.526 We're good. 42:11.626 --> 42:14.027 We're quibbling and it's off-score. 42:14.067 --> 42:29.213 What you're saying is that from a practical point of view, but my point is that if we were able to, just like we're trying to kind of get everybody to take the vaccine, if we had put that into getting everybody to take ivermectin and fluvoxamine for a month, 42:30.498 --> 42:40.507 If so, essentially we got, if we only have one choice now, holy crap, Steve just said, you know, we're going to try and get everybody to take the vaccine. 42:40.627 --> 42:45.331 But if we could have got everybody to take ivermectin for a month, it would have been the same thing. 42:45.371 --> 42:46.272 Did you hear it? 42:47.754 --> 42:48.614 Did you hear it? 42:51.177 --> 42:54.520 What I'm talking about, ladies and gentlemen, is keeping your arms straight. 42:54.660 --> 42:56.842 Are these guys keeping their arms straight? 43:01.069 --> 43:15.007 Does it sound like three men that are interested in the well-being of our children and grandchildren, the freedom and sovereignty of our grandchildren, does it sound like they've got the right concerns in their mind with their smiles on their face? 43:18.929 --> 43:22.150 And if we could accomplish that, then COVID would be wiped out. 43:22.451 --> 43:22.971 We could do it. 43:23.091 --> 43:29.493 And actually, any municipality that could regulate its borders could clear the disease if it could accomplish that goal, I believe. 43:29.934 --> 43:34.676 And it's just a question of, you know, practically speaking, we agree with you, Robert. 43:34.856 --> 43:37.477 It's practically speaking, it's hard to pull off. 43:37.577 --> 43:40.198 I'm saying that theoretically, if we could get agreement 43:41.311 --> 43:42.954 Because we have... Well, how about this? 43:43.154 --> 43:43.875 Let's table this. 43:44.036 --> 43:46.500 I will give you my plan at the end of this. 43:46.580 --> 43:48.723 And my claim is that actually there is a way to do this. 43:48.763 --> 43:50.506 We just have to think a bit outside the box. 43:50.526 --> 43:50.727 Okay. 43:51.169 --> 43:53.630 never seen so much of Robert's eyes before. 43:54.150 --> 44:04.835 But let me just say that, Steve, I became aware of you after reading your article on Trial Site News in which this is actually kind of a living article. 44:05.235 --> 44:06.235 Good point. 44:07.516 --> 44:09.517 They still have not talked about the tests. 44:09.637 --> 44:11.758 Of course, they're talking about ending the pandemic. 44:12.458 --> 44:37.150 but they haven't once addressed the role that the application of a nonspecific PCR test to asymptomatic people, thousands of them in drive-throughs, drove the illusion of the pandemic, drove the illusion that allowed them to change the protocols of how they treated people with respiratory disease, allowed them to apply remdesivir in hospitals. 44:39.651 --> 44:41.552 They're not acknowledging any of this yet. 44:45.015 --> 44:47.500 Knowing that most people won't get to the third hour. 44:47.560 --> 44:48.682 What does that really mean to you? 44:53.055 --> 44:56.398 which you've been updating it as information has come to light. 44:56.778 --> 45:09.108 And I must say this article, I'm always troubled by the loss of the useful term red pill by people who have borrowed it for various purposes that I don't think are legitimate. 45:09.128 --> 45:12.590 But this article functions as a red pill. 45:12.610 --> 45:17.694 You read this and either something's wrong with you, Steve, and you've completely misportrayed the data. 45:18.775 --> 45:29.681 there's no problem and something's up with you, or if the data is anything like what you present, then the interpretation is quite clear and absolutely startling. 45:30.161 --> 45:37.986 So I will just say, I believe that what you've pointed to is accurate and alarming. 45:38.366 --> 45:43.989 Does anyone else find it interesting that when talking to Steve, 45:45.703 --> 45:51.331 and Steve is listening, that Steve is nodding his head and his eyes are moving and he's listening to Brett. 45:52.415 --> 45:55.518 And when Robert Malone is listening, he's not moving at all. 45:55.558 --> 45:56.519 Does anyone else notice this? 45:56.539 --> 45:57.200 Understatement. 45:58.000 --> 46:00.102 I would invite people to look at it for themselves. 46:00.343 --> 46:02.925 I would invite people to show it to others. 46:03.125 --> 46:09.131 And most importantly, I would invite them to pay very close attention to what is said in response. 46:09.611 --> 46:12.054 You will get a lot of pushback when you show this article to people. 46:12.094 --> 46:15.056 But that pushback is not substantive, in my experience. 46:15.357 --> 46:16.538 It's emotional. 46:16.858 --> 46:17.178 Crickets. 46:17.819 --> 46:26.522 Well, you either get crickets or you get some kind of squid ink phenomenon where a bunch of ink shows up and suddenly the person you're talking to is nowhere to be seen. 46:26.802 --> 46:29.163 I think the term for a lot of the blowback is gaslighting. 46:29.943 --> 46:33.025 Well, that hasn't happened yet, I think. 46:33.565 --> 46:37.546 So we haven't been gaslighted yet, says Steve Kirsch in June of 2021. 46:37.646 --> 46:40.807 We haven't been gaslighted yet. 46:41.468 --> 46:45.209 What are they doing if they started this podcast 46:46.573 --> 46:58.216 What are they doing if they started the podcast with, we're teaching you a secret about how to become unmasked, and that secret involves being fully vaccinated, previously infected, or using prophylactics like ivermectin? 47:00.276 --> 47:06.377 And now he just stated, he just stated that we haven't been gaslighted yet. 47:07.318 --> 47:13.139 I mean, the feedback that I've gotten is... I think the term for a lot of the blowback is gaslighting. 47:13.925 --> 47:16.227 Well, that hasn't happened yet, I think. 47:16.787 --> 47:26.596 I mean, the feedback that I've gotten is they'll look at it for about 30 seconds and say, I don't believe this, and it's the cognitive dissonance. 47:27.537 --> 47:34.002 It's the people who took the blue pill and are living in the matrix, and everything is good, and this is 47:35.043 --> 47:37.185 this can't possibly be true. 47:37.725 --> 47:39.206 And they immediately write it off. 47:39.627 --> 47:43.650 But they can't cite anything that is wrong with it. 47:43.670 --> 47:45.191 They can't argue any of the points. 47:45.511 --> 47:51.035 And they'll delve into ad hominem attacks and say, oh, well, this was written by an engineer. 47:51.095 --> 47:52.796 He doesn't know anything. 47:53.397 --> 47:54.538 And to me, that's a victory. 47:54.958 --> 47:57.839 Because it says that everything I've written they can't argue with. 47:58.260 --> 48:03.862 So the only thing left to attack is to try to attack the person when you can't attack the arguments. 48:03.902 --> 48:04.843 And that's what people do. 48:05.563 --> 48:11.946 And I would just say that, you know, looking at a complex puzzle like this, one needs some kind of tools. 48:11.966 --> 48:12.226 I mean, 48:12.666 --> 48:16.669 Undoubtedly, in what you've written, there are things that aren't going to turn out to be right. 48:16.789 --> 48:17.309 Undoubtedly. 48:17.329 --> 48:22.453 You've just written so broadly that, you know, with being such a large live issue. 48:22.493 --> 48:28.997 Does it sound like that Brett is working to kind of tone down Steve's enthusiasm? 48:29.518 --> 48:32.820 Nobody's responded to Steve at this point about the VAERS reports. 48:33.401 --> 48:38.144 Nobody's responded to Steve about other things that he's going to rant about later. 48:39.950 --> 48:44.494 And Brett is saying, well, you're inevitably going to be wrong about some of these things, though, Steve. 48:44.514 --> 48:46.015 You're going to have to admit that, right? 48:47.256 --> 48:49.698 I hear something very interesting here, actually. 48:50.779 --> 48:51.960 Undoubtedly, there are errors. 48:52.040 --> 48:58.625 But the point is, even if you read this thing and you say, what if what he's saying is 50% right, right? 48:59.606 --> 49:03.329 It's still so alarming that, effectively, the response would have to be the same. 49:03.409 --> 49:04.510 Something has gone wrong. 49:04.550 --> 49:06.372 We are in danger, and we are not 49:06.852 --> 49:08.314 We're not behaving rationally. 49:08.354 --> 49:12.859 And you can detect where we are not behaving rationally in numerous places that I hope we will get to. 49:13.359 --> 49:23.129 But do you want to outline the basics, like the bullet point, you know, the top 10 bullet points that people ought to be aware of that you're calling attention to in your article? 49:26.092 --> 49:34.240 It's it's so hard because it's it's it's just this unbelievable story and and let me just tell you how it works Okay, sure. 49:34.280 --> 49:50.674 So it got started when my carpet cleaner came and and he was wearing a mask I said, hey, we're all vaccinated you can take it off and He said, you know, I just got I I got the Pfizer vaccine and I had a heart attack two minutes later and 49:51.559 --> 49:55.481 And so he spent the night in the hospital and he says, you know, he's kind of recovering from it. 49:55.621 --> 49:57.122 And I said, how are you, how are you doing now? 49:57.142 --> 50:00.763 And he said, you know, still, you know, feeling bad about it. 50:01.003 --> 50:12.669 And he mentioned also that his wife also her hand, she'd, you know, hold a glass like this and her hand would be shaking like this and the water would be coming out and she was perfect before. 50:13.209 --> 50:19.652 So I have two people, we'd have very few people in my house because of COVID. 50:20.753 --> 50:25.015 So the fish guy the carpet cleaner and the house cleaner, right? 50:25.456 --> 50:48.871 And so to have not just one person but him and his wife I mean that's like that is like lightning striking twice in the same place So and so if it was really a safe vaccine, then what I just saw was impossible So that's kind of what triggered me off on this and then I had been on this Canadian a physician's call with dr Byron brittle 50:49.631 --> 51:08.906 and he showed this chart and he said normally when you vaccinate someone, the vaccine goes in the shoulder and it stays in the shoulder area and what happens is the antibodies are generated and they attack this antigen in the shoulder and it wipes it out and we're good. 51:09.406 --> 51:17.136 But what Byron Brittle did is he did a FOIA request to the Japanese government to look at the biodistribution data. 51:17.497 --> 51:22.503 And what he discovered is that it doesn't stay in the shoulder where we all thought it should stay. 51:22.944 --> 51:24.566 It goes throughout your entire body. 51:24.806 --> 51:26.188 It goes to your brain, to your heart. 51:26.388 --> 51:27.369 So that's two problems. 51:28.150 --> 51:32.112 One problem is it isn't where it's supposed to be ideally. 51:32.152 --> 51:37.234 Where we thought it was for all the previous vaccines. 51:37.274 --> 51:52.341 And the other problem, and this is your area of expertise, is that what these vaccines do is they encode spike protein alone so that the immune system will learn to recognize spike protein and will catch it quickly when one is confronted with COVID. 51:52.810 --> 51:56.644 But the spike protein itself, we now know, is very dangerous. 51:56.704 --> 51:57.547 It's cytotoxic. 51:57.788 --> 51:58.692 Is that a fair description? 52:00.061 --> 52:05.823 More than fair, and I alerted the FDA about this risk months and months and months ago. 52:06.383 --> 52:07.484 And we had a discussion about it. 52:07.584 --> 52:16.167 And to be fair, the FDA did not think that the S1 subunit and the spike protein was toxic. 52:16.507 --> 52:20.669 And so they knew, the FDA knew about the biodistribution. 52:21.249 --> 52:25.531 And one of the scary things is that the biodistribution like peaks in your ovaries. 52:26.491 --> 52:35.854 And so, so just to, so he says that the FDA, so Brett understands how the vaccine is supposed to work. 52:36.074 --> 52:45.056 The transfection works, but he doesn't really understand that it's a transfection. 52:45.096 --> 52:46.577 You can hear him talking that way. 52:47.597 --> 52:51.398 And Steve says that the, the FDA knew 52:54.955 --> 53:01.780 that the spike was distributed throughout the body, but didn't know that the spike was toxic. 53:07.324 --> 53:14.970 I got to just write this down because we're moving very fast here and I don't want to summarize it yet, but I want to, I can't catch up with these guys this quick. 53:14.990 --> 53:15.290 Sorry. 53:15.310 --> 53:16.351 Hold on one second. 53:18.012 --> 53:20.334 The virus distribution was varied, but 53:25.888 --> 53:34.653 Not that the spike was toxic. 53:34.713 --> 53:50.062 So I guess this is really right on the narrative that I was saying at this time as well, which was that if there was an engineered something, it would have been the spike protein engineered to produce seroprevalence. 53:50.122 --> 53:53.764 And engineering that to work would also make it dangerous. 53:54.551 --> 54:01.133 Because it's an immunogen that the, that the, the immune system can't help, but pay attention to. 54:01.233 --> 54:09.795 And this will be inevitably something that will have consequences we don't understand when you do it in the context of transfection. 54:09.875 --> 54:14.476 So it's not just a foreign protein, but it's a foreign protein juiced up. 54:16.117 --> 54:16.577 And so. 54:18.700 --> 54:27.582 I find that very interesting because he mentions Byron Brittle, which again, remember that Brett never has Byron Brittle on his podcast after this. 54:27.662 --> 54:37.405 So Byron Brittle is still a guy who's, sorry, Byron Brittle is a guy whose career is still being burnt. 54:38.245 --> 54:40.266 I got to keep all of my things in my head straight. 54:40.306 --> 54:43.667 I don't know how Mark Housatonic does what he does with all these names and stuff. 54:43.707 --> 54:44.847 It must be very, 54:46.059 --> 54:49.722 Um, it must make everything a little more solid in your mind. 54:49.802 --> 55:00.771 If you organize that website of his and, and organize all those links and, and, and organize that archive, then maybe all these names and stuff stay together, but Byron brittle. 55:01.491 --> 55:13.176 The guy who exposed the distribution of the lipid nanoparticle after having FOIAed information from the Japanese government is still having his career destroyed. 55:13.716 --> 55:26.241 He still has to be very careful in Canada with what he does and how he does it because of the fact that he's still considered an out of the out group. 55:26.481 --> 55:29.882 And Brett Weinstein has never talked to him. 55:31.710 --> 55:39.355 And there, and Steve is very excited to mention it to him, but then Brett is always, you know, calming everybody down. 55:39.395 --> 55:40.976 Okay, so that's two different things. 55:41.016 --> 55:44.237 The first thing is that it's not where we said it was. 55:44.338 --> 55:45.678 Don't mention Byram again. 55:47.159 --> 55:56.765 Don't accentuate this hero in Canada who spoke out, but go back to sort of, you know, being the referee here, Brett. 55:58.396 --> 55:59.456 Don't mention that again. 55:59.476 --> 56:05.499 And then he explains how it's supposed to work and that the spike protein is toxic. 56:05.539 --> 56:06.940 Is that an accurate thing? 56:07.000 --> 56:09.240 And then Malone says, yes, it is. 56:09.681 --> 56:15.203 And then Steve clarifies and says that the FDA knew that the biodistribution was varied. 56:16.257 --> 56:18.678 but they didn't know that the spike protein was toxic. 56:18.718 --> 56:20.899 That's a very, I mean, where are we? 56:20.939 --> 56:25.801 We're 14 minutes into this and we have fully vaccinated. 56:25.841 --> 56:27.382 People don't need masks anymore. 56:27.422 --> 56:28.402 We have that. 56:28.442 --> 56:30.563 There were other ways that you didn't need masks. 56:30.603 --> 56:34.625 We could have used a prophylactic treatment like ivermectin and ended the pandemic too. 56:36.546 --> 56:38.287 And something's gone terribly wrong. 56:39.318 --> 56:44.279 but my carpet cleaner and his wife both reacted bad to the shot, but our whole family didn't. 56:44.880 --> 56:57.903 And so they're laying down this narrative, which is wide open that you could drive a truck through that says, oh, the lots are different because his family's fine, but his carpet cleaner and his wife got sick. 56:58.344 --> 57:00.764 So it's not people, but it's lots. 57:01.524 --> 57:02.925 And the lots are all different. 57:03.902 --> 57:09.308 And of course, we know that that narrative came up very soon after this, that the lots were different. 57:09.368 --> 57:18.840 And so that's why there were some reactions and some people, which might be true, but it's secondary to the fact that these guys are still selling it. 57:18.880 --> 57:20.081 If it works, it's great. 57:20.642 --> 57:24.046 If you get one of those bad lots though, or if you don't get Moderna. 57:25.333 --> 57:34.299 Do you hear all the, this is 15 minutes in and they've already laid down all of these subconscious clues about what the way out is. 57:35.200 --> 57:38.542 The subconscious clues about what they have chosen as experts. 57:39.923 --> 57:42.324 As smart people, they realize something's wrong. 57:42.364 --> 57:43.285 Now, what are they doing? 57:43.325 --> 57:47.628 Well, you know, Brett, the smart of the smart is using ivermectin as a prophylactic. 57:49.009 --> 57:49.329 Wow. 57:49.629 --> 57:50.850 It's, it's extraordinary. 57:52.526 --> 57:54.327 to nail the point home. 57:54.667 --> 57:55.208 They did know. 57:56.008 --> 57:56.529 They did know. 57:56.829 --> 57:58.270 I did send them the manuscripts. 57:59.030 --> 58:02.052 So, and, and their determination was. 58:02.713 --> 58:03.794 It's a harmless spike protein. 58:03.834 --> 58:10.258 That they didn't think that that was sufficient documentation of the risk that spike was biologically active. 58:10.458 --> 58:10.558 Right. 58:10.578 --> 58:11.719 They did not believe. 58:11.739 --> 58:22.286 So that's curious because he might be talking about the two papers, which I think Mark has already covered, but he's definitely brought them to my attention as well as the Bregan's bringing them to people's attention. 58:23.147 --> 58:28.635 That Robert Malone wrote a couple manuscripts with a guy by the name of David Rick or Rica Ricky. 58:30.538 --> 58:32.180 And these manuscripts describe. 58:33.243 --> 58:49.013 why immunization to the spike protein might not be ideal, might lead to antibody-dependent enhancement, and also some paper about how the cytokine storm tumbling out of control might also be caused by the spike protein. 58:49.553 --> 58:52.955 These two papers were both written very early in 2020. 58:53.876 --> 58:56.017 And so he said, I sent them manuscripts 58:57.128 --> 59:06.657 But he's not explicitly saying, hey, if you want to understand, if you're a scientist out there, I know, Brett, your audience is very, very sophisticated. 59:07.037 --> 59:15.505 Anybody who wants to know more, I've got two papers up on ResearchGate or two papers on BioRxiv, which describe why this shot might be. 59:15.685 --> 59:16.846 He's not saying that. 59:19.389 --> 59:20.630 Maybe he'll say it in a few minutes. 59:21.414 --> 59:22.814 The spike was biologically active. 59:22.834 --> 59:23.695 That was the big mistake. 59:23.715 --> 59:26.375 We now know the spike protein is very dangerous. 59:26.415 --> 59:27.416 Very dangerous. 59:27.436 --> 59:28.376 We also know. 59:28.456 --> 59:40.700 So if it was very dangerous, but it did what the brochure on these vaccines says it should do, which is lodge in the membrane of the cells that are doing the transcribing, it would be a lot less destructive, right? 59:43.456 --> 59:45.438 I think that's fair, and you're right. 59:45.538 --> 59:49.641 It's not just the documentation about the vaccine. 59:49.941 --> 59:50.742 Are you hearing this? 59:51.142 --> 59:57.247 That if the spike protein wasn't as toxic, that the RNA transfections would be working better. 01:00:00.049 --> 01:00:06.634 I can't even believe that I'm discovering this all. 01:00:06.674 --> 01:00:12.339 I have to almost apologize to Mark for this, because Mark has been trying to get me to watch this again for so long. 01:00:13.595 --> 01:00:14.676 I just can't believe it. 01:00:14.756 --> 01:00:16.557 We're 15 minutes into it. 01:00:16.597 --> 01:00:20.860 As far as I'm concerned, this was like a fool's mate in chess. 01:00:21.821 --> 01:00:23.702 They've already revealed it all. 01:00:24.102 --> 01:00:34.029 There's no other reason why this podcast in the first 15 minutes would have gone in these directions with these words, unless that wasn't the plan. 01:00:34.049 --> 01:00:37.231 You don't think that they just sat down and said, let's go. 01:00:38.012 --> 01:00:39.273 Let's see where this takes us. 01:00:40.393 --> 01:00:41.054 Are you kidding me? 01:00:46.300 --> 01:00:52.942 It's the prior literature that was put out by the people that developed it, that developed these clones. 01:00:53.302 --> 01:00:59.903 So they were aware that there was a risk of Spike being biologically active. 01:00:59.923 --> 01:01:00.404 Did you hear that? 01:01:00.624 --> 01:01:01.944 And having adverse events. 01:01:02.444 --> 01:01:03.084 Did you hear that? 01:01:03.104 --> 01:01:04.525 He did not stay stuck. 01:01:04.805 --> 01:01:05.605 They were aware. 01:01:06.405 --> 01:01:17.748 that there was a risk of a spike being biologically active and having adverse events if it did not stay stuck to the cells that were transfected that got the RNA and made it. 01:01:19.589 --> 01:01:28.391 And they used a genetic engineering method of putting a transmembrane domain on it to ensure... Wait, we've got to go a little bit farther back. 01:01:28.611 --> 01:01:30.752 ...a spike being biologically developed. 01:01:32.208 --> 01:01:33.369 that developed these clones. 01:01:33.829 --> 01:01:34.089 See? 01:01:34.109 --> 01:01:35.190 Did you hear it? 01:01:35.230 --> 01:01:43.535 They were aware that there was a risk of a spike by the people that developed it, that developed these clones. 01:01:43.916 --> 01:01:48.258 So they were aware that... I don't even know what to say. 01:01:48.298 --> 01:01:48.939 He just said it. 01:01:49.139 --> 01:01:50.700 Developed these clones. 01:01:51.140 --> 01:01:53.322 He's using... Holy cow. 01:02:00.506 --> 01:02:05.508 You understand why I'm talking about holding your arm straight in the beginning, why I played that clip. 01:02:06.469 --> 01:02:12.172 If you didn't see the beginning of the stream after we're done, please go back and watch the beginning of the stream. 01:02:14.353 --> 01:02:21.096 If you can't see it clearly now, if we can't use this to help people see clearly now, I don't know what else to say. 01:02:25.919 --> 01:02:28.580 But these are not straight armed men right here. 01:02:32.233 --> 01:02:45.738 And unfortunately, I don't think that their arms are bent because they're tired or they're exhausted or the censorship beat them down to the point where they just couldn't keep their arms straight anymore and they buckled under the pressure. 01:02:46.299 --> 01:02:47.119 They're smiling. 01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:47.999 They're excited. 01:02:48.019 --> 01:02:51.781 They think they're right. 01:02:53.421 --> 01:02:55.242 They're certain they're going to be okay. 01:02:57.603 --> 01:02:58.584 Don't you see it? 01:02:58.784 --> 01:02:59.384 I see it. 01:03:01.087 --> 01:03:03.344 Thank you Mark for making me watch this video. 01:03:03.919 --> 01:03:15.084 There was a risk of a spike being biologically active and having adverse events if it did not stay stuck to the cells that were transfected that got the RNA and made it. 01:03:16.424 --> 01:03:25.788 And they used a genetic engineering method of putting a transmembrane domain on it to ensure that it stayed anchored and stayed put. 01:03:26.648 --> 01:03:32.271 And they did limited non-clinical studies to say, 01:03:33.231 --> 01:03:34.452 Looks like it stays stuck. 01:03:34.693 --> 01:03:36.435 We engineered it to stay stuck. 01:03:36.555 --> 01:03:36.975 They did. 01:03:37.215 --> 01:03:38.937 And they published that. 01:03:39.197 --> 01:03:39.838 Here's the thing. 01:03:39.918 --> 01:03:40.539 Special engineered. 01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:41.440 Okay. 01:03:42.361 --> 01:03:47.967 Is that that's generally not good enough in a non-clinical data package. 01:03:48.808 --> 01:03:55.295 So before we get a product released to use in humans, in the normal situation where we're not in a rush, 01:03:56.502 --> 01:03:59.805 we have some really rigorous tests that have to be done in animals. 01:04:00.545 --> 01:04:14.836 And, um, revealing that spike gets cleaved off of express cells and becomes free is something that absolutely should have been known and understood well before this ever gotten put into humans. 01:04:14.896 --> 01:04:15.856 So I'll just leave it at that. 01:04:16.357 --> 01:04:16.597 All right. 01:04:16.617 --> 01:04:18.759 Well, that's, so what, that's the smoking gun. 01:04:19.059 --> 01:04:19.799 Let me, uh, 01:04:20.780 --> 01:04:22.101 Just make one thing clear. 01:04:22.141 --> 01:04:25.284 You said it very clearly, but lots of people who aren't familiar with this aren't going to get it. 01:04:25.944 --> 01:04:33.771 Do you see the eyes of Steve Kirsch looking at Robert Malone when he says that's the smoking gun? 01:04:35.813 --> 01:04:38.315 It's like they just threaded the needle. 01:04:39.431 --> 01:04:41.572 This is exactly what we wanted to say. 01:04:41.632 --> 01:04:43.373 Wow, that was really spontaneous, man. 01:04:43.853 --> 01:04:44.333 Wink, wink. 01:04:44.373 --> 01:04:45.634 We did that really well. 01:04:46.094 --> 01:04:48.055 We got this conversation right there. 01:04:48.135 --> 01:04:48.615 Wink, wink. 01:04:48.695 --> 01:04:49.435 Watch, please. 01:04:50.095 --> 01:04:50.656 I'm sorry. 01:04:50.676 --> 01:05:00.660 So the RNA gets so free is something that absolutely should have been known and understood well before this ever gotten put into humans. 01:05:00.740 --> 01:05:01.660 So I'll just leave it at that. 01:05:02.160 --> 01:05:02.420 All right. 01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:04.621 Well, that's so what that's the smoking gun. 01:05:04.681 --> 01:05:04.921 Let me, uh, 01:05:06.602 --> 01:05:07.924 Just make one thing clear. 01:05:07.984 --> 01:05:10.827 You said it very clearly, but lots of people who aren't familiar with you. 01:05:10.987 --> 01:05:13.430 Did you see it? 01:05:13.610 --> 01:05:15.132 Did you see it? 01:05:15.172 --> 01:05:16.493 Watch. 01:05:16.693 --> 01:05:21.439 It's almost like Steve was waiting for the cue to say, that's the smoking gun. 01:05:23.301 --> 01:05:25.563 And Robert said, I'm going to leave it at that. 01:05:26.465 --> 01:05:28.927 And then Steve gets a little nervous. 01:05:28.987 --> 01:05:30.749 And then he says, that's the smoking gun. 01:05:30.769 --> 01:05:31.990 And then he's like, see, I said it. 01:05:32.030 --> 01:05:32.971 I remembered to say it. 01:05:33.452 --> 01:05:36.114 Listen, sorry if I'm hallucinating. 01:05:36.134 --> 01:05:41.239 It would have been known and understood well before this ever gotten put into humans. 01:05:41.259 --> 01:05:42.220 So I'll just leave it at that. 01:05:42.721 --> 01:05:42.961 All right. 01:05:42.981 --> 01:05:44.182 Well, that's so what. 01:05:44.242 --> 01:05:45.163 That's the smoking gun. 01:05:45.223 --> 01:05:45.524 Let me. 01:05:47.165 --> 01:05:48.486 Just make one thing clear. 01:05:48.526 --> 01:05:50.967 You said it very clearly, but lots of people who aren't familiar with this. 01:05:51.067 --> 01:05:52.628 Why is he smiling like that? 01:05:52.648 --> 01:05:53.988 RNA gets into the cell. 01:05:54.308 --> 01:05:57.050 It is translated by the ribosome into a protein. 01:05:57.070 --> 01:06:00.811 In this case, it's the spike protein, which is the best target on the coronavirus. 01:06:01.011 --> 01:06:01.672 We could debate that. 01:06:01.912 --> 01:06:02.212 Go ahead. 01:06:02.352 --> 01:06:03.373 But it's at least a very good one. 01:06:03.453 --> 01:06:03.934 It's a prominent one. 01:06:03.954 --> 01:06:05.035 Yeah, it's a good target. 01:06:05.115 --> 01:06:05.775 Nobody argues with that. 01:06:05.795 --> 01:06:13.583 And if the antibodies grab onto it, the most likely thing to happen is that they will block it from doing what it does that facilitates the entry into the cell. 01:06:13.823 --> 01:06:17.027 So if everything works the way the brochure says, it's a good target. 01:06:17.147 --> 01:06:20.190 After about five days, though, the antibodies have to be- Okay, hold on. 01:06:21.051 --> 01:06:25.235 So the whole reason to use an adenoviral vector, an mRNA, 01:06:26.454 --> 01:06:28.155 is not just to generate antibodies. 01:06:28.235 --> 01:06:30.557 I don't understand why he's having so much fun. 01:06:31.537 --> 01:06:33.819 Why is he having so much fun? 01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.261 If everything works the way the brochure says, it's a good target. 01:06:37.381 --> 01:06:42.444 After about five days, though, the antibodies have to be... Hold on, hold on, he says. 01:06:42.464 --> 01:06:48.428 The whole reason to use an adenoviral vector, an mRNA, is not just to generate antibodies. 01:06:49.169 --> 01:06:52.111 And a lot of the data, and a lot of us that are deep in this data, 01:06:52.915 --> 01:06:57.958 think that the way that they're really providing the protection is by cellular cytotoxicity. 01:06:58.598 --> 01:07:00.339 So you're getting CTLs against it. 01:07:00.580 --> 01:07:09.525 And that's the reason to use this gene therapy based technology is not just to generate neutralizing antibodies, but to generate cytotoxic de-lymphocytes. 01:07:09.725 --> 01:07:23.473 Okay, you and I are about to go down the rabbit hole because this is biologically fascinating, which I want to avoid doing, but you just said the reason to use the adenovirus vector, which is with the DNA vaccines, not the RNA vaccines, which is what we were talking about. 01:07:23.593 --> 01:07:25.815 I would, I would call it, it's not a DNA vaccine. 01:07:25.855 --> 01:07:27.375 It's an ad vector vaccine. 01:07:28.076 --> 01:07:28.276 Right. 01:07:28.316 --> 01:07:30.277 It's a, it's a not, it is the use of the. 01:07:30.337 --> 01:07:33.079 So it's not a DNA, but it's got DNA in it. 01:07:35.680 --> 01:07:39.122 I think he's just trying to make sure that we get on the narrative. 01:07:39.182 --> 01:07:43.545 Make sure you're using the right terms here, Dark Horse Podcast host. 01:07:44.225 --> 01:07:47.868 Let me get everybody on the same rail here. 01:07:48.308 --> 01:07:49.809 Steve's not on the rail yet. 01:07:50.269 --> 01:07:51.450 He needs correcting too. 01:07:51.910 --> 01:07:54.632 A recombinant virus, which happens to be a DNA virus. 01:07:54.792 --> 01:07:54.972 Yeah. 01:07:55.172 --> 01:07:56.813 But it's the same basic idea. 01:07:56.933 --> 01:08:00.015 It's a recombinant virus that happens to be a DNA virus. 01:08:00.035 --> 01:08:02.337 So what you said before was totally correct. 01:08:02.837 --> 01:08:04.538 But let's call it an adeno vector. 01:08:05.674 --> 01:08:06.434 Do you hear this? 01:08:07.935 --> 01:08:09.116 Are you hearing this? 01:08:10.496 --> 01:08:12.017 Please tell me you can hear this. 01:08:12.337 --> 01:08:13.998 Gene therapy technology advector. 01:08:14.018 --> 01:08:21.242 The reason to use the adenovirus vector, which is with the DNA vaccines, not the RNA vaccines, which is what we were talking about. 01:08:21.422 --> 01:08:23.163 I would call it, it's not a DNA vaccine. 01:08:23.203 --> 01:08:24.724 It's an advector vaccine. 01:08:25.424 --> 01:08:25.804 Right. 01:08:25.944 --> 01:08:30.427 It is the use of the- A recombinant virus, which happens to be a DNA virus. 01:08:30.627 --> 01:08:30.787 Yeah. 01:08:30.987 --> 01:08:32.328 But it's the same basic idea. 01:08:32.368 --> 01:08:34.669 It's gene therapy technology applied to vaccines. 01:08:35.109 --> 01:08:39.853 It's the same technology and everything downstream of the translation of the spike protein is the same. 01:08:39.873 --> 01:08:40.313 Spike protein? 01:08:40.674 --> 01:08:41.594 Yeah. 01:08:41.614 --> 01:08:42.415 It is the same. 01:08:42.635 --> 01:08:51.943 And by the way, so it's the same whether you use DNA to make RNA to make the spike or whether you use RNA to make the spike. 01:08:52.924 --> 01:08:53.805 It's all the same. 01:08:54.125 --> 01:09:00.190 If you use an adenovirus shell to carry it in, Brett was about to argue. 01:09:01.189 --> 01:09:16.688 I don't know if you were feeling it, but Brett was about to argue that the adenovirus vaccines, because of their nature of using DNA to change the way or change the proteins that are expressed in a cell, because it's an adenovirus vector, 01:09:17.805 --> 01:09:29.390 In some ways, it might call in a T cell response and teach a cytotoxic T cell response that the transfection would not do with the lipid nanoparticle and mRNA. 01:09:29.871 --> 01:09:31.932 And Robert cut him off. 01:09:34.473 --> 01:09:38.675 This was one of the main reasons why a lot of people were cheering for the 01:09:40.543 --> 01:09:43.184 the AstraZeneca and the Johnson and Johnson shots. 01:09:43.625 --> 01:09:49.227 And it was one of the reasons why people like immunologists were debating about which one would be the better one. 01:09:50.508 --> 01:09:58.352 There were people who were saying that, well, you might end up building immunity to the adenovirus shell instead of to the protein that is supposed to make. 01:09:59.830 --> 01:10:19.543 And then there were other people who were making the argument, no, by taking it in with a viral shell, you're more likely to activate the innate antiviral immune response, which will call in a more appropriate T cell response, which could generate a more reliable cytotoxic T cell response. 01:10:20.444 --> 01:10:22.605 That's what Brett was about to say. 01:10:23.046 --> 01:10:26.948 And Robert interrupted him and said, no, no, no, don't say that it's DNA. 01:10:27.368 --> 01:10:28.869 Don't make such a big deal about it. 01:10:28.909 --> 01:10:29.710 It's an advector. 01:10:30.410 --> 01:10:31.531 It's all the same thing. 01:10:31.631 --> 01:10:33.572 Once you get to the spike, it's all the same. 01:10:34.853 --> 01:10:37.674 Did you hear it? 01:10:41.656 --> 01:10:44.998 We have no problems at all with mRNA vaccines. 01:10:45.478 --> 01:10:45.638 Right. 01:10:45.698 --> 01:10:57.985 It's just this particular vaccine because of the spike protein and because it breaks, it cleaves off the cell and it goes throughout your body and your brain, your heart, anywhere. 01:10:58.485 --> 01:11:07.151 that you can have these symptoms that are so varied, whether it's a 16-year-old who can't... What matters is when this was said. 01:11:07.191 --> 01:11:08.912 It doesn't matter what he's saying now. 01:11:08.952 --> 01:11:10.193 It matters when this was said. 01:11:10.233 --> 01:11:12.835 This was June 2021. 01:11:13.756 --> 01:11:15.737 More than enough people had said, don't do it. 01:11:16.598 --> 01:11:17.759 More than enough people. 01:11:18.899 --> 01:11:21.121 Peter McCullough had already said, don't do this. 01:11:22.382 --> 01:11:24.283 Peter McCullough had already called it out. 01:11:26.004 --> 01:11:26.765 Are you kidding me? 01:11:28.891 --> 01:11:31.712 If it's not obvious now, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know what to say. 01:11:31.772 --> 01:11:34.193 We are one hour and eight minutes into this. 01:11:34.753 --> 01:11:37.014 In my mind, I could stop it right here. 01:11:37.974 --> 01:11:50.659 There's nothing else to see except for these guys digging a deeper hole and making a more beautiful sandcastle, which when you view it from above, says that these guys were part of it. 01:11:54.060 --> 01:11:56.041 Because that's all that I see here. 01:11:56.161 --> 01:11:58.122 Somebody's playing somebody, maybe. 01:12:00.410 --> 01:12:12.255 My guess is, unfortunately, that Steve Kirsch is being played by the other two guys, but he thinks that him and Malone are playing Brett Weinstein, and that's how this works. 01:12:13.555 --> 01:12:15.376 That's how you get people sucked in. 01:12:17.217 --> 01:12:22.459 You tell Brett Weinstein that I need your help with reining in 01:12:23.240 --> 01:12:33.023 this entrepreneur named Steve Kirsch, who's all fired up about Remdesivir, and all fired up about the shot, and he's seen a ghost, and we've gotta rein him in. 01:12:34.323 --> 01:12:45.806 And then Robert Malone says to Steve Kirsch, hey, let's go on, you go on Bret Weinstein's show with me, and make sure that Bret stays on task. 01:12:45.866 --> 01:12:51.708 And these are the things that we wanna say, that the spike protein is really bad, but mRNA shots are okay, 01:12:52.850 --> 01:13:01.175 And so we're gonna get some, I'm gonna orchestrate somewhere in there and we're gonna make sure that we say that the spike protein is the smoking gun. 01:13:03.517 --> 01:13:16.705 And then now you're watching that play out where two guys are interacting with a third dude who has convinced each of those two guys that they're cooperating with him against the third guy. 01:13:18.046 --> 01:13:20.128 That's what I see here, plain as day. 01:13:22.034 --> 01:13:23.435 It's extraordinary to me. 01:13:25.456 --> 01:13:32.379 It is absolutely extraordinary to me that it took me this long to watch this video again. 01:13:32.959 --> 01:13:34.480 And it's in a way very good. 01:13:35.300 --> 01:13:47.085 Because the longer we waited, the more likely it was that we would see the stark contrast and the stark incongruencies that were almost certainly much more difficult to see at the time. 01:13:48.166 --> 01:13:50.747 It almost seemed like my review 01:13:51.940 --> 01:13:55.447 asking to pause the transfections was making a difference. 01:13:56.849 --> 01:14:00.375 That this guy had come out and started to say that it's bad and I was still... 01:14:01.633 --> 01:14:08.795 wholly unaware of the way that the narrative could be twisted so that, okay, you're saying transfection is bad. 01:14:09.095 --> 01:14:18.818 Well, we're gonna get these two guys on Brett Weinstein to say that I'm RNA and transfection is fine, but it's what we, the spike protein that we put into it. 01:14:19.238 --> 01:14:28.641 The weird thing is, is that Mark Housatonic, Mark Kulak, sent me an article where Robert Malone is commenting in a couple different 01:14:29.281 --> 01:14:40.889 newspapers about the death of some guy who they were trying to fix with a genetic defect by using transfection with adenovirus vectors, whatever he said to call them. 01:14:41.889 --> 01:14:42.830 And the guy died. 01:14:45.952 --> 01:14:50.315 So it's not like he doesn't know that this stuff can go south really fast. 01:14:53.032 --> 01:14:55.753 But he's still saying it in a dishonest way. 01:14:55.793 --> 01:14:58.714 He's still saying that it's the spike protein, probably. 01:14:58.774 --> 01:14:59.994 I think that's accurate. 01:15:00.774 --> 01:15:01.975 And who fed that to him? 01:15:02.675 --> 01:15:03.175 Brett did. 01:15:04.655 --> 01:15:05.216 Do you see? 01:15:05.236 --> 01:15:09.137 He has worked these two, it feels like. 01:15:09.297 --> 01:15:13.778 I'll give you a set of cues, and I want you to work with me to get these on. 01:15:13.818 --> 01:15:17.419 And then in the other room, he said to Steve, I have these cues. 01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:19.200 I want you to work me on and get these in. 01:15:20.632 --> 01:15:22.033 and help me to convince Brett. 01:15:22.053 --> 01:15:23.753 You help me to convince Steve. 01:15:25.094 --> 01:15:26.914 And they both think that they're in on it. 01:15:26.954 --> 01:15:31.576 They both think they're the secret guy helping Robert. 01:15:32.617 --> 01:15:33.517 That's what I see here. 01:15:35.182 --> 01:15:44.347 I mean, we already know that Brett Weinstein was somehow controlled or briefed or brought into this as part of the intellectual dark web. 01:15:44.788 --> 01:15:57.675 That's why he had Sam Harris on his stream in December of 2019 saying that there will be a time when there's a pandemic, when we won't be able to tolerate anti-vaxxers anymore. 01:15:59.588 --> 01:16:02.249 Bret Weinstein has been in on this from the very beginning. 01:16:02.289 --> 01:16:06.791 That's also why he is the pseudo champion of the lab leak thing. 01:16:06.851 --> 01:16:08.991 And we said it first and yada, yada, yada. 01:16:09.432 --> 01:16:10.532 This is all part of that. 01:16:10.552 --> 01:16:13.093 This is mid show right here. 01:16:13.993 --> 01:16:15.874 This is June, 2021. 01:16:16.334 --> 01:16:23.777 He's already sitting in this skeptic King camp, you know, where, well, at least we're skeptical enough. 01:16:23.797 --> 01:16:24.757 We didn't take it yet. 01:16:24.817 --> 01:16:26.458 That's what he represents at the table. 01:16:28.055 --> 01:16:30.696 and pushing ivermectin at least three times already. 01:16:33.796 --> 01:16:45.579 Talk or see 48 hours after injection or someone who's, you know, handshakes or someone who's, you know, my carpet cleaner, Tim, he's like disabled now. 01:16:45.799 --> 01:16:49.299 He's lost $30,000 in terms of his costs. 01:16:49.719 --> 01:16:52.500 And he's going in for an epidural because he's in such pain. 01:16:53.200 --> 01:17:02.027 And so these side effects, the victims of this vaccine, they're not being able to tell their story at the press. 01:17:02.067 --> 01:17:06.291 Because Tim says, I try to tell my story and the press ignores him. 01:17:06.651 --> 01:17:10.274 And we have these groups that 01:17:11.455 --> 01:17:19.780 Aren't able to get attention aren't able to get attention a large group of people who believe that they have suffered Negative consequences was removed from Facebook. 01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:32.306 So there's very a large group of people that believe they have suffered negative consequences very specific language clearly an effort to 200,000 users just wiped off the right planet, right? 01:17:32.426 --> 01:17:39.030 If there's so Steve is kind of fighting for things and saying things like he's seen it Whoa, like he's seen a UFO 01:17:39.870 --> 01:17:41.131 I kind of like Steve here. 01:17:41.511 --> 01:17:43.473 Oh, if this is a perfectly safe vaccine. 01:17:43.493 --> 01:17:46.535 So the censoring has been going on for well over a year. 01:17:46.735 --> 01:17:47.836 It's well documented. 01:17:47.996 --> 01:17:49.017 It's unequivocal. 01:17:49.477 --> 01:18:02.007 And my argument is that, um, by implementing censoring, what we're doing is making it so that signals can't be detected. 01:18:02.607 --> 01:18:04.469 People's voices can't be heard. 01:18:05.569 --> 01:18:07.531 And I, I'm, I'm of the opinion. 01:18:08.131 --> 01:18:13.475 that we have to have free and open discussion, and we have to have full disclosure of risks. 01:18:13.956 --> 01:18:16.538 And when you censor that, you cannot have that. 01:18:16.598 --> 01:18:21.122 Yeah, it changes everybody's mindset into believing it's safe and effective. 01:18:21.142 --> 01:18:26.446 And when you have that, you don't report these adverse events as being associated with it because you eliminate it. 01:18:26.466 --> 01:18:28.828 You don't want to be the fly in the ointment of a great vaccine. 01:18:28.868 --> 01:18:30.369 No, you don't think it's possible, right? 01:18:30.409 --> 01:18:33.212 So when a doctor sees a miscarriage, 01:18:33.832 --> 01:18:40.876 and says, I've never seen a baby like this in my entire career where it's so bloody and the brain is split in half and so forth. 01:18:41.216 --> 01:18:42.677 She's never seen anything like it. 01:18:43.158 --> 01:18:48.401 And the woman was vaccinated a month ago, and she's 25 weeks pregnant. 01:18:48.761 --> 01:18:55.505 When you have that sort of thing, the doctors... I want you to watch him listen versus watching him listen. 01:18:57.051 --> 01:19:07.142 It's through the whole video, but just keep in mind as you circle back, watch these three guys as they interact and as they listen to one another. 01:19:13.028 --> 01:19:15.851 And so they say, well, it must be a genetic defect. 01:19:16.211 --> 01:19:18.013 And they report it as a genetic defect. 01:19:18.433 --> 01:19:20.615 And they don't even report it into the virus system. 01:19:20.935 --> 01:19:26.921 So we never see any of these safety signals because everybody is trained to think that it's safe. 01:19:26.961 --> 01:19:28.042 It couldn't have been a vaccine. 01:19:28.062 --> 01:19:28.222 Yeah. 01:19:28.262 --> 01:19:29.763 So that's this group think problem. 01:19:30.023 --> 01:19:31.945 And I think it is a real problem. 01:19:32.326 --> 01:19:33.246 Here's what they're going to say. 01:19:33.907 --> 01:19:34.507 And I want to 01:19:35.496 --> 01:19:38.138 work out how this functions, right? 01:19:38.539 --> 01:19:44.663 So that's a groupthink problem, and that's a real big problem, but he doesn't talk about what the problem was again. 01:19:44.763 --> 01:19:46.985 What is the problem that Steve was talking about? 01:19:47.926 --> 01:19:51.729 That people don't expect the transfection to hurt people. 01:19:52.950 --> 01:19:56.833 So without that expectation, when people get hurt, they don't make the correlation. 01:19:58.004 --> 01:19:59.364 And Brett says, yeah, that's group. 01:19:59.424 --> 01:20:01.945 I mean, Robert says, yeah, that's groupthink. 01:20:01.965 --> 01:20:02.726 That's a problem. 01:20:03.206 --> 01:20:07.667 No, the problem is, is that people don't expect the transfection to hurt them. 01:20:08.447 --> 01:20:09.608 Not groupthink. 01:20:10.788 --> 01:20:11.468 Did you see it? 01:20:12.529 --> 01:20:13.229 Did you see it? 01:20:14.589 --> 01:20:17.870 This is Jedi master level interjection here. 01:20:17.950 --> 01:20:21.472 That's why he's not nodding his head and whatever. 01:20:21.532 --> 01:20:22.592 He's not listening. 01:20:24.059 --> 01:20:29.961 He's actively counteracting in his head what needs to be said next. 01:20:30.001 --> 01:20:30.882 That's what I see here. 01:20:30.902 --> 01:20:31.222 I don't know. 01:20:31.302 --> 01:20:43.987 I could be wrong, but it leaves me with a very dubious feeling with regard to what's going on here, because it's not a very spontaneous conversation for Robert. 01:20:44.007 --> 01:20:44.947 It doesn't appear to be. 01:20:46.488 --> 01:20:48.248 It's extraordinary what I see here. 01:20:48.588 --> 01:20:50.229 This is a sliver of time. 01:20:53.979 --> 01:21:05.764 June 11th, 2021, where three men are purported to have several different ways that we could end the pandemic in three simple steps. 01:21:07.265 --> 01:21:22.072 We are not even 20 minutes into a podcast where they told us that they were demonstrating what people can do if they follow the rules or if they find biologically plausible alternatives to those rules and stick to them. 01:21:24.022 --> 01:21:29.181 double vaccinated with Moderna or prophylactic use of Ivermectin. 01:21:32.179 --> 01:21:32.579 story. 01:21:32.860 --> 01:21:42.866 Hey, I, Steve, talked to a couple people who came through my house in various capacities and heard an alarmingly large number of stories that were very frightening. 01:21:43.166 --> 01:21:47.129 Now, everybody at this table will agree that could be anecdotal. 01:21:47.349 --> 01:21:48.070 It's totally anecdotal. 01:21:48.090 --> 01:21:49.050 It's not even anecdotal. 01:21:49.331 --> 01:21:51.612 It could be the result of sampling error. 01:21:51.712 --> 01:21:52.613 Oh, absolutely. 01:21:52.833 --> 01:21:57.696 And so the point is, how do you detect if something like that isn't sampling error? 01:21:58.056 --> 01:22:01.899 So it could be sampling error, but he's making a big deal about it. 01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:08.140 It might not have been a UFO, but I'm pretty sure it was a UFO. 01:22:08.801 --> 01:22:11.841 Could have been something else, but I think it was a UFO. 01:22:14.002 --> 01:22:16.462 Does that sound like somebody who's holding his arms straight? 01:22:19.183 --> 01:22:20.904 Guys, I'm asking you a question. 01:22:20.944 --> 01:22:24.064 Does that sound like a guy who's holding his arms straight? 01:22:26.385 --> 01:22:26.905 I don't hear it. 01:22:28.593 --> 01:22:30.454 find out what other people are saying. 01:22:30.474 --> 01:22:31.694 Yes, you can look for confirmation. 01:22:31.754 --> 01:22:35.675 And at the same time that you were having your experience, I was having a slightly different experience. 01:22:35.876 --> 01:22:40.837 I was talking to every single person that I interact with, which is definitely not a random sample of people. 01:22:40.917 --> 01:22:45.539 On the other hand, we're talking about the woman who cuts my hair, my doctor, 01:22:46.221 --> 01:22:52.708 I was talking to everybody I encountered and I was asking them, my dentist, I asked them, what was your experience? 01:22:52.749 --> 01:22:53.549 Did you get vaccinated? 01:22:53.569 --> 01:22:53.750 Yes. 01:22:54.070 --> 01:22:55.091 What was your experience? 01:22:55.452 --> 01:23:00.037 And the number of people who had a frightening story was alarmingly large. 01:23:00.137 --> 01:23:05.223 In fact, I believe it is the case that the only people who didn't have some anomalous reaction 01:23:05.663 --> 01:23:09.847 were my parents and Heather's mom, which may be because older people have these things less. 01:23:10.068 --> 01:23:11.189 That may be sampling error. 01:23:11.349 --> 01:23:11.810 I don't know. 01:23:12.210 --> 01:23:16.474 But the point is, there were stories that didn't sound like any vaccine I've ever heard of. 01:23:16.554 --> 01:23:23.762 People who had weeks of fire-like pain in their arm, headaches that would not go away, fevers, 01:23:24.062 --> 01:23:30.792 So I'm a regulatory professional and I do talk to the FDA. 01:23:30.812 --> 01:23:32.695 Eye contact with the camera. 01:23:32.715 --> 01:23:34.898 And I have friends there in senior positions. 01:23:34.938 --> 01:23:35.298 Wow. 01:23:37.543 --> 01:23:45.349 they were aware back when we were doing, is that like a, and I have good, is that like the rarest thing you've ever seen? 01:23:46.310 --> 01:23:55.296 So I, I'm a regulatory professional and, and I do talk to the FDA and I have good friends there in, in senior positions. 01:23:57.818 --> 01:23:58.659 They were aware 01:23:59.488 --> 01:24:05.530 back when we were doing randomized clinical trials that- Do you believe him? 01:24:05.610 --> 01:24:06.871 Is that what that is? 01:24:07.331 --> 01:24:08.431 Do you believe him because of that? 01:24:08.451 --> 01:24:15.574 They were a military professional and I do talk to the FDA and I have good friends there in senior positions. 01:24:18.115 --> 01:24:18.955 They were aware 01:24:19.795 --> 01:24:27.160 back when we were doing randomized clinical trials, that these adverse events were occurring. 01:24:27.400 --> 01:24:36.246 Many of them were oddly delayed and atypical for a vaccine trial. 01:24:37.447 --> 01:24:39.228 This is totally- Oddly delayed. 01:24:39.448 --> 01:24:41.529 I don't know why you would call it oddly delayed. 01:24:41.569 --> 01:24:45.212 He's supposed to be the guru level expert 01:24:46.584 --> 01:24:49.225 Yet he doesn't understand why they would be oddly delayed. 01:24:49.285 --> 01:24:52.185 Because maybe autoimmunity takes a little while to develop. 01:24:53.365 --> 01:24:58.347 Maybe because the toxic effects of a transfection takes a little while to develop. 01:24:58.407 --> 01:25:06.768 It's a little more variable depending on where it goes and what tissues are expressing the toxic protein or the fragments thereof. 01:25:10.289 --> 01:25:13.890 There's no teaching happening here. 01:25:15.384 --> 01:25:20.339 This is not somebody throwing themselves in front of a train to save the world. 01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:27.620 Totally new technology. 01:25:28.180 --> 01:25:29.620 And that kind of gets at the core. 01:25:30.541 --> 01:25:37.964 I think one of our problems here is the assumption that this is like every other vaccine we've ever seen. 01:25:38.465 --> 01:25:39.445 And it's not. 01:25:39.725 --> 01:25:40.846 It's very different technology. 01:25:40.866 --> 01:25:41.166 Right. 01:25:41.306 --> 01:25:42.867 And so these weird symptoms. 01:25:43.467 --> 01:25:45.908 It's almost like the syringe. 01:25:45.968 --> 01:25:51.991 We've mistaken the syringe as delivery vehicle for some sort of a proxy for how to feel about these vaccines. 01:25:52.671 --> 01:26:11.265 Now, Heather and I on this program, when we heard how the vaccines worked and that they had been accelerated through this process, our sense was, you're going to deliver a brand new technology with respect to deploying it in humans, and it's going to interact with the immune system, and you're going to speed it through this process. 01:26:11.305 --> 01:26:16.089 We did not know that it had skipped the animal trials that might have alerted us to something really dangerous. 01:26:17.310 --> 01:26:20.212 They didn't even test the vaccine itself in the animal trials. 01:26:20.232 --> 01:26:20.772 I didn't know. 01:26:24.235 --> 01:26:33.122 So I received this data package that Steve's referred to that the Canadians acquired by FOIA within about 24 hours when it went live. 01:26:34.162 --> 01:26:39.707 And I reviewed it on behalf of Trial Site News on request. 01:26:40.667 --> 01:26:45.131 And I was really alarmed, frankly, by what I saw. 01:26:45.731 --> 01:26:46.892 It was very unusual. 01:26:47.892 --> 01:26:52.635 And so I had an even more senior and experienced regulatory affairs professional review it. 01:26:53.396 --> 01:26:58.219 And he picked out more things, like the absence of the reprotox. 01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:00.500 Spell that out. 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:05.183 Reproductive toxicology package that normally would be in the genotoxicity. 01:27:05.223 --> 01:27:06.404 So genotoxicity is 01:27:06.904 --> 01:27:11.727 toxicity to the genes of the test system. 01:27:15.429 --> 01:27:17.150 In this case it's the Ames test largely. 01:27:18.591 --> 01:27:25.254 So that's kind of level one for genotoxicity analysis. 01:27:25.595 --> 01:27:27.175 And these are imperfect assays. 01:27:27.936 --> 01:27:33.019 If there's one truism in research... Looking in the camera again. 01:27:34.116 --> 01:27:42.139 You know, we all say mice lie, monkeys mislead, and humans are the only things that really prove whether or not something is safe and effective is for humans. 01:27:43.599 --> 01:27:51.862 But we have to do something before we authorize, approve for a material to be initially tested in humans. 01:27:51.922 --> 01:27:55.244 So what the alarming thing was for me, 01:27:56.464 --> 01:28:05.353 was that what had been done, at least in that package, and I'm told, I spoke to Peter Marks, the director of CBER, about this and about my concerns. 01:28:06.194 --> 01:28:13.300 And he told me that the Pfizer has submitted a new data package in the just last couple of weeks, and they're currently evaluating it. 01:28:13.380 --> 01:28:20.347 So I think we have to take those data with a little bit of a grain of salt, because they may have been updated and we don't know what's in there. 01:28:21.448 --> 01:28:23.649 So maybe it is safer than I'm saying right now. 01:28:23.729 --> 01:28:25.830 Maybe it is more reliable. 01:28:25.890 --> 01:28:27.651 Maybe in the end it's going to be okay. 01:28:27.691 --> 01:28:28.251 Do you hear it? 01:28:29.572 --> 01:28:30.292 Can you see it? 01:28:32.493 --> 01:28:37.935 It sounded like for a minute there that he was really going to come out and say something dramatic, but in the end that he didn't, right? 01:28:37.955 --> 01:28:41.617 He, he, he didn't because he said, hold on. 01:28:42.617 --> 01:28:49.240 Remember Jordan Peterson at this time was saying, I think we should give him six months and everybody should just take the shot so we can get out of this. 01:28:50.796 --> 01:28:56.042 Jordan Peterson said the same thing at the same time as these guys came out. 01:28:58.685 --> 01:28:59.966 And there's more data to come. 01:28:59.986 --> 01:29:08.096 Jeremy Marks assured me, my friend at the FDA assured me that Pfizer has submitted a new data package and so we should wait and see. 01:29:09.147 --> 01:29:15.914 Wait and see while thousands of people get transfected every day around the world because they feel coerced by their TV. 01:29:16.574 --> 01:29:19.177 Because they feel coerced by their city's mayor. 01:29:19.938 --> 01:29:22.360 Because they feel coerced by their kid's school. 01:29:23.181 --> 01:29:25.943 Because they feel coerced by their morning show host. 01:29:26.504 --> 01:29:31.108 Because they feel coerced by their people at work who watch the morning show host. 01:29:31.609 --> 01:29:32.510 Don't you see it? 01:29:37.045 --> 01:29:38.487 Is this in non-human primates? 01:29:38.587 --> 01:29:42.051 Because there's a big difference between... No, it was done in rodents. 01:29:42.251 --> 01:29:46.236 Yeah, but rodents don't have the same affinities for ACE2. 01:29:46.437 --> 01:29:51.783 So we're down in the weeds, but I just wanted to say... But the point is that we should do it right. 01:29:53.165 --> 01:29:53.565 Agreed. 01:29:54.637 --> 01:30:06.129 And through all of this... So that's interesting because he's pointing out that you can't use an animal model of a rat to do the vaccine studies. 01:30:06.189 --> 01:30:12.916 But of course, after this, there are monkey studies that purportedly used it as well. 01:30:13.820 --> 01:30:15.841 And they used monkeys to do it. 01:30:16.281 --> 01:30:18.002 But Steve is upset right now. 01:30:18.382 --> 01:30:19.783 I believe Steve here. 01:30:19.823 --> 01:30:26.505 He still seems like a guy who's seen the UFO and isn't really sure if you believe him yet or not. 01:30:26.545 --> 01:30:34.589 And so every time he gets the feeling that people aren't listening to him or don't really understand what he means, he gets kind of upset. 01:30:35.209 --> 01:30:37.030 He gets a little antsy. 01:30:38.190 --> 01:30:38.991 I'm believing him. 01:30:40.365 --> 01:30:47.712 I see Brett as being a guy who was brought in to rein in Steve almost. 01:30:51.395 --> 01:30:54.598 I think we can all agree, Tony Fauci can agree. 01:30:55.578 --> 01:31:00.222 that corners were cut in the interest of the emergency. 01:31:01.563 --> 01:31:07.708 And when you do that, these are processes to ensure safety. 01:31:08.528 --> 01:31:12.011 So again here, I think Mark and I are in total agreement. 01:31:13.052 --> 01:31:20.238 I'm just guessing, but I think him and I would both hear another thing being laid down here, right? 01:31:20.278 --> 01:31:22.820 Because again, if we wouldn't have rushed it, 01:31:24.366 --> 01:31:37.851 If we would have considered a little better what protein we were using and adjusted it a little bit, if we had made it a little purer, if we had not rushed it, this technology would be fine. 01:31:38.552 --> 01:31:42.633 Steve Kirsch, not even five minutes ago, said that we're not afraid of RNA vaccines at all. 01:31:42.673 --> 01:31:43.174 They're fine. 01:31:43.214 --> 01:31:45.294 It's just that this spike protein might be bad. 01:31:45.414 --> 01:31:46.455 Man, oh man. 01:31:47.094 --> 01:32:14.285 evolved over decades they took a risk they took a risk and they lost so we're gonna come back to this I know you have a background in bioethics I would point out that alright corners were cut let us all agree that we were how does somebody who is a vaccine technology broker have knowledge of bioethics what does that even mean 01:32:16.155 --> 01:32:21.581 You can't have knowledge of bioethics unless you've been an objective arbitrator. 01:32:23.544 --> 01:32:28.530 It just doesn't even make, how many different expertises does this guy have? 01:32:28.550 --> 01:32:31.573 Because he can also put a saddle on a racehorse and raise a $30,000 foal and emus. 01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:38.299 an emergency situation. 01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:40.881 I would have done the same if I were in charge of the FDA. 01:32:41.181 --> 01:32:46.983 I ran across an animation, I believe it was the FDA, and the specific purpose of this animation. 01:32:47.043 --> 01:32:47.603 Exactly. 01:32:47.743 --> 01:32:51.645 Christine Brady also has a rich background in bioethics. 01:32:51.725 --> 01:32:54.106 It's just a question of what kind of bioethics do you mean? 01:32:56.249 --> 01:33:09.098 If you mean undermining all of the standards of sovereignty over your body and what it means to exercise informed consent and always have the ability to say no, 01:33:11.522 --> 01:33:14.745 then yeah, I guess you could say that she's involved in bioethics. 01:33:14.805 --> 01:33:28.396 If you're interested in ways of testing vaccines on the back of each other or using immunobridging to justify new vaccine trials, sure, then I guess you could call that expertise in bioethics. 01:33:28.436 --> 01:33:29.476 Do you hear this? 01:33:31.198 --> 01:33:32.239 Do you hear this? 01:33:38.069 --> 01:33:41.652 These are not men who are keeping their arms straight. 01:33:42.893 --> 01:33:47.918 These are men who are performing, at least that's, I feel like Steve is trying to keep his arms straight. 01:33:49.799 --> 01:33:53.423 And these guys keep reaching across the table and putting his arms back down. 01:33:55.865 --> 01:33:59.188 But Steve keeps going, yeah, but come on guys, really? 01:34:00.509 --> 01:34:01.390 Stick with me here. 01:34:02.050 --> 01:34:03.612 No, no, no, calm down, Steve. 01:34:04.780 --> 01:34:07.842 is to say the process was accelerated, but no corners were cut. 01:34:07.882 --> 01:34:16.128 In fact, the metaphor they use is basically a road, right, in which they have straightened out the curves and basically, you know, it was a reduction in paperwork. 01:34:16.148 --> 01:34:17.329 So it's a cartoon. 01:34:17.509 --> 01:34:19.070 It is very literally a cartoon. 01:34:19.090 --> 01:34:23.833 Yeah, so we learned from the disclosures that that was a misrepresentation. 01:34:23.853 --> 01:34:29.677 So, but it's not just a misrepresentation, because the point is what is being allotted here is informed consent. 01:34:29.997 --> 01:34:32.919 Basically, everybody who's getting these vaccines is 01:34:33.419 --> 01:34:44.406 part of an experiment that we are running, that is actually wildly over generous of me to say, because for it to be an experiment, we would have to systematically collect data on what happened to them. 01:34:44.506 --> 01:34:45.286 To every patient. 01:34:45.386 --> 01:34:48.108 And in fact, our systematic system isn't so systematic. 01:34:48.148 --> 01:34:50.009 No, it's all voluntary reports. 01:34:50.049 --> 01:34:53.351 Voluntary reporting with stigma attached to the end. 01:34:53.411 --> 01:34:55.913 If you report something, they're going to say, no, no, no. 01:34:55.933 --> 01:34:57.013 They'll convince you that it's not. 01:34:57.073 --> 01:35:01.516 So I just wanted to say that I didn't just rely on my carpet cleaner story. 01:35:01.556 --> 01:35:01.796 Right. 01:35:01.896 --> 01:35:02.356 Oh, no, no. 01:35:02.376 --> 01:35:02.857 You pursued it. 01:35:03.537 --> 01:35:12.722 Yeah, that was just the uh-oh right then my antenna went up and then when every place I went Every single place I talked to doctors. 01:35:12.982 --> 01:35:14.523 I said, oh, you've got 900 patients. 01:35:14.563 --> 01:35:15.824 How many of them have you know? 01:35:16.644 --> 01:35:20.206 What's the adverse event rate the serious adverse event rate, you know? 01:35:20.366 --> 01:35:29.611 And so doctors have a view and I talked to paramedics they've got a view and every I did a survey on next door and found, you know, I 01:35:31.335 --> 01:35:35.518 3% had persistent troubling systems that haven't gone away. 01:35:36.198 --> 01:35:42.101 So every single thing that I looked to verify, it was flashing red. 01:35:42.121 --> 01:35:46.503 So you're coming at it from the street level, and that has validity. 01:35:46.683 --> 01:35:48.284 And the FDA doesn't look at it that way. 01:35:49.085 --> 01:35:50.445 They look at it as, hang on, hang on, one second. 01:35:50.465 --> 01:35:51.186 Ooh, it's getting salty in here. 01:35:58.270 --> 01:36:02.673 the very voluntary vaccine adverse event reporting system. 01:36:03.093 --> 01:36:05.094 Okay, nobody knows about that. 01:36:05.134 --> 01:36:10.978 They're all told to report into v-safe, they get these text messages that only last for a few weeks or so. 01:36:11.499 --> 01:36:13.640 But nobody knows about this VAERS system. 01:36:14.301 --> 01:36:16.222 And people aren't reporting in. 01:36:16.282 --> 01:36:22.086 In fact, when doctors report in, they are told, you know, don't report this, this wasn't, I mean, we 01:36:22.526 --> 01:36:28.593 We've had reports reversed from doctors without their consent, without the doctor's consent. 01:36:28.733 --> 01:36:30.956 First of all, I don't want us to work too hard, okay? 01:36:31.096 --> 01:36:43.350 There is something that goes on when we get into this space where the standards that are set for what constitutes evidence are absurd in the context of science and the way science actually functions. 01:36:43.770 --> 01:36:46.332 What you did is perfectly defensible. 01:36:46.432 --> 01:36:51.075 Had you concluded simply from three people in your sphere that there was a problem, that wouldn't have been. 01:36:51.135 --> 01:36:51.455 Oh, no. 01:36:51.495 --> 01:36:52.455 Yeah, absolutely not. 01:36:52.536 --> 01:36:53.476 That was an observation. 01:36:53.696 --> 01:36:54.177 It was an observation. 01:36:54.197 --> 01:36:54.857 It created a hypothesis. 01:36:54.937 --> 01:36:55.157 Exactly. 01:36:55.177 --> 01:36:59.820 The hypothesis is there's a problem with these vaccines, and if I look farther, that signal's not going to disappear. 01:36:59.900 --> 01:37:01.561 It's going to continue out as far as I look. 01:37:02.121 --> 01:37:11.206 And when I looked at the VARIS database and I see like it's flatline for all the, you know, 30 years that VARIS has been around and then it just spikes up. 01:37:11.226 --> 01:37:12.607 I mean, it's like a hockey stick. 01:37:12.787 --> 01:37:14.928 And then it's like, how do you explain that? 01:37:15.208 --> 01:37:22.733 So I see another dynamic that's going on here that I think I should put in to kind of underscore the context. 01:37:22.833 --> 01:37:28.736 Remember that they're trying to be really careful because there's certain things you can't talk about. 01:37:29.881 --> 01:37:34.603 So they're trying to portray Steve as just making observations. 01:37:34.623 --> 01:37:37.145 We're not claiming anything, we're just making observations. 01:37:37.185 --> 01:37:38.225 He's backing him up. 01:37:39.666 --> 01:37:43.087 He's backing him up to this hypothetical line of censorship. 01:37:43.128 --> 01:37:47.590 We don't want to get my channel demonetized, do we now? 01:37:48.390 --> 01:37:51.652 And of course you know that this video is going to demonetize 01:37:52.677 --> 01:38:03.496 the Dark Horse podcast on YouTube, and they're gonna claim grievance for that forever after as evidence that they were on the cutting edge of getting this truth out. 01:38:04.670 --> 01:38:04.890 Right? 01:38:05.731 --> 01:38:08.913 So that's the thing they're doing here, the little dance. 01:38:08.973 --> 01:38:16.598 In case you can't feel it, Brett is walking Steve's statements back so that we make sure that we portray them just as observations. 01:38:16.739 --> 01:38:17.919 You should bring up that graphic. 01:38:18.500 --> 01:38:18.660 Sure. 01:38:19.641 --> 01:38:20.681 So while you're doing that. 01:38:20.701 --> 01:38:21.702 Yeah. 01:38:22.082 --> 01:38:30.028 And the assumption, by the way, has to be for something like this is you have to assume that it's the vaccine because that's the conservative thing. 01:38:30.848 --> 01:38:32.430 No, you're going the wrong way. 01:38:33.050 --> 01:38:33.170 Yep. 01:38:34.691 --> 01:38:36.492 That was the biodistribution. 01:38:37.412 --> 01:38:39.292 And then here's this graph. 01:38:39.472 --> 01:38:43.474 And when I saw this graph, I said, look, that needs to be explained. 01:38:44.194 --> 01:38:46.895 And the default is when you do... What's this? 01:38:49.935 --> 01:38:51.536 Are those subjects? 01:38:53.396 --> 01:38:54.077 And times? 01:38:54.477 --> 01:38:55.757 Or what are we doing here? 01:38:57.998 --> 01:38:58.678 Do you see that? 01:39:00.658 --> 01:39:01.739 That's what he was looking at. 01:39:01.779 --> 01:39:02.299 What is this? 01:39:04.124 --> 01:39:05.985 You didn't think that this was organized, did you? 01:39:11.068 --> 01:39:14.370 I'm telling you, they're smiling at each other across the table for a reason. 01:39:16.951 --> 01:39:23.114 And I don't know who's bamboozling who here, but it's more, it's more deep than them bamboozling us. 01:39:25.976 --> 01:39:29.438 There's a game being played even among these people at the table. 01:39:29.478 --> 01:39:33.240 That's why they behave so normally, so on edge, so, 01:39:34.474 --> 01:39:36.296 why the improv is so believable. 01:39:38.798 --> 01:39:42.041 Because they both think that they are understanding the game. 01:39:42.081 --> 01:39:44.664 They both all think that they have some privilege. 01:39:45.325 --> 01:39:49.529 Sorry, Brett and Steve both think that they have some privileged information. 01:39:50.770 --> 01:39:56.936 Brett and Steve both think that Robert Malone is higher on this hierarchy of understanding. 01:39:58.134 --> 01:40:03.758 And that Robert Malone is part of, you know, taking a big risk coming on Brett's show. 01:40:03.818 --> 01:40:13.544 And so Brett wants to do it in the classiest, you know, avoid the censorship, say what needs to be said, be a standup guy. 01:40:14.384 --> 01:40:16.045 That's what the performance is here. 01:40:17.586 --> 01:40:20.908 There's only one person at the table that I know for sure. 01:40:20.928 --> 01:40:24.691 I know for sure 01:40:27.421 --> 01:40:35.488 is holding back reactions is carefully calculating his words is is it's amazing to me what I see here. 01:40:35.528 --> 01:40:47.018 It's just a clinical trial is you have to ascribe it to the suspect should be the the vaccine because this is what's being tested and then you need to 01:40:47.819 --> 01:40:51.320 to show that, oh, no, no, no, this was due to some other thing. 01:40:51.621 --> 01:40:52.701 And nobody's explained that. 01:40:52.761 --> 01:40:53.281 That's the thing. 01:40:53.301 --> 01:40:56.022 And nobody's even asking that question, how many people have died. 01:40:56.082 --> 01:40:58.383 You're playing by the scientific rules, right? 01:40:58.423 --> 01:41:00.044 Your point is, I observed something. 01:41:00.064 --> 01:41:00.464 I have a hypothesis. 01:41:00.484 --> 01:41:01.425 What's the hypothesis? 01:41:01.725 --> 01:41:03.466 And then the prediction is manifest. 01:41:03.526 --> 01:41:03.766 Right. 01:41:03.866 --> 01:41:04.046 Right. 01:41:04.086 --> 01:41:07.487 And then the question is, all right, maybe there's some other hypothesis that predicts the same thing. 01:41:07.527 --> 01:41:07.927 But if so, what is it? 01:41:07.947 --> 01:41:08.868 But nobody's come up with it. 01:41:09.128 --> 01:41:09.788 Exactly. 01:41:09.948 --> 01:41:10.168 Right. 01:41:10.188 --> 01:41:13.290 So they're using the rules of the game against science. 01:41:13.490 --> 01:41:15.851 Now, here is the graph that you were referring to. 01:41:16.531 --> 01:41:16.751 right? 01:41:17.211 --> 01:41:22.513 These are the death reports in the VAERS system as of May 28, 2021. 01:41:23.413 --> 01:41:26.814 And what you see is there's a certain amount of death following vaccine. 01:41:26.834 --> 01:41:29.655 Some of those deaths will be just random chance. 01:41:29.875 --> 01:41:30.315 Correct. 01:41:30.355 --> 01:41:32.116 That's the random chance you see at the 01:41:32.316 --> 01:41:38.641 It's a random chance you have a certain number of people who have an anaphylactic reaction to something the vaccine was grown in, right? 01:41:38.701 --> 01:41:39.281 Or they just die. 01:41:39.321 --> 01:41:47.448 But the point is, we get vaccines, they have values, there's a certain cost, a certain number of people die, we're adults, we get it, but then the question is, what the hell happens? 01:41:47.508 --> 01:41:49.149 It's interesting what they're looking at. 01:41:50.950 --> 01:41:55.434 I never thought about this before, but that implies a certain studio setup. 01:41:57.025 --> 01:42:02.446 that they have a monitor on the wall or a TV on the wall that Steve can point up to. 01:42:02.466 --> 01:42:06.747 I mean, my monitor is right in front of me right here and another one over there. 01:42:06.807 --> 01:42:13.909 So when I point at things, I have the cameras oriented so that it kind of looks like I'm looking, but I am really looking at what I'm looking at. 01:42:15.369 --> 01:42:18.310 But they're now looking at something that's above the camera. 01:42:19.790 --> 01:42:22.991 And presumably that means that people can see what's on the stream. 01:42:24.952 --> 01:42:27.024 I only say this because again, remember. 01:42:30.580 --> 01:42:31.220 Yeah, I don't know. 01:42:31.460 --> 01:42:32.281 I'm just making observations. 01:42:32.301 --> 01:42:34.362 With the COVID vaccines there, why is that signal so high? 01:42:34.382 --> 01:42:35.782 How do you explain that? 01:42:35.842 --> 01:42:38.763 And so what you see there, that number I know is not up to date. 01:42:39.304 --> 01:42:40.004 The number is not. 01:42:40.104 --> 01:42:40.664 Oh, no, no, no. 01:42:40.684 --> 01:42:41.845 They're way backlogged. 01:42:41.945 --> 01:42:45.266 And also, the current number is like 6,000, right? 01:42:46.167 --> 01:42:47.227 Probably somewhere around there. 01:42:47.247 --> 01:42:53.530 But they've actually taken, nobody can explain why they've removed reports from the VAERS system. 01:42:53.910 --> 01:42:58.392 Because what we found is that the reports that were put in by people and, 01:42:59.292 --> 01:43:00.132 they disappear. 01:43:00.513 --> 01:43:02.073 They disappear and then again. 01:43:02.153 --> 01:43:07.535 So this is a conservative estimate because what about those reports that they took out that we can't see? 01:43:07.836 --> 01:43:12.417 So he does sound like somebody who is very much concerned that he's seen a ghost. 01:43:13.438 --> 01:43:14.838 Brett's trying to calm him down. 01:43:15.619 --> 01:43:16.979 Robert has said nothing. 01:43:16.999 --> 01:43:21.181 Conservative and we can't calibrate how conservative it is. 01:43:21.561 --> 01:43:22.301 Correct. 01:43:22.582 --> 01:43:23.522 That's a key point. 01:43:23.542 --> 01:43:24.802 It's a key issue. 01:43:24.883 --> 01:43:26.943 So can I kind of peck at that a little bit? 01:43:28.684 --> 01:43:33.827 And I wanted to make sure that I was prepared before we had this discussion today. 01:43:33.968 --> 01:43:42.373 So this morning I called some friends at FDA again and talked to them about the databases and the database analysis. 01:43:43.213 --> 01:43:48.397 And I wanted to just check in and make sure that I wasn't misunderstanding or misrepresenting. 01:43:49.366 --> 01:44:02.188 And they used words like, it's chaotic, it's disorganized, they are not analyzing the data efficiently, they're understaffed, they're overwhelmed. 01:44:04.149 --> 01:44:17.371 Furthermore, all of these, whether it's v-safe or this VAERS database, which by the way, physicians are alerted and have been told for many years to use VAERS, and many of them do. 01:44:19.540 --> 01:44:21.081 VAERS is self-reported. 01:44:21.181 --> 01:44:24.242 We don't have a good numerator or a good denominator. 01:44:24.363 --> 01:44:29.245 In clinical research, we don't do this. 01:44:30.005 --> 01:44:31.306 We get all the reports. 01:44:31.486 --> 01:44:44.733 And if we're doing a structured clinical trial, we ensure that every single serious adverse event is carefully reported, carefully evaluated. 01:44:44.753 --> 01:44:47.554 A physician has to make a judgment call as to whether it 01:44:49.716 --> 01:44:55.500 is not or is possibly or is definitely associated with drug administration. 01:44:55.601 --> 01:45:03.727 And the bias has to be anybody that, if you think about this for just a nanosecond, okay, if our goal is to ensure safety, 01:45:04.980 --> 01:45:11.524 The bias has to be to assume that there is some association and then take the time to track it down. 01:45:12.725 --> 01:45:14.526 And therein lies the rub. 01:45:14.587 --> 01:45:27.315 So we have, and the last point I wanted to make is that under- So he says that he called some insiders at the FDA to talk about the databases and stuff. 01:45:27.815 --> 01:45:31.198 And they use words like chaotic and disorganized. 01:45:31.758 --> 01:45:33.840 Then he mentions the v-safe database 01:45:34.580 --> 01:45:41.282 And he says that physicians have been instructed to use the VAERS in the v-safe database for years, and some of them do use it. 01:45:42.283 --> 01:45:43.463 What do these statements mean? 01:45:44.603 --> 01:45:45.944 What is he really saying here? 01:45:46.944 --> 01:45:48.265 Is he saying anything at all? 01:45:50.445 --> 01:45:55.067 Robert says that in clinical trials, we are very strict. 01:45:56.067 --> 01:46:00.989 And we have a bias for, you know, it must have been the drug that we're testing. 01:46:02.605 --> 01:46:03.626 Do you hear this too? 01:46:04.487 --> 01:46:11.973 The idea that clinical trials are done with the utmost honesty, the utmost forthrightness. 01:46:13.114 --> 01:46:16.937 When I do clinical trials, boy, I hold them to the highest standard. 01:46:17.477 --> 01:46:19.459 I have the highest sense of morality. 01:46:20.299 --> 01:46:21.941 Money never influences me. 01:46:23.082 --> 01:46:24.503 I only do it the right way. 01:46:25.644 --> 01:46:30.568 In clinical trials, I don't know how they did it here, but when I do these things, boy, I'm honest. 01:46:33.368 --> 01:46:46.556 So I took the time to go back and reread the Emergency Use Authorization and the most recently updated EUA, that's the acronym, for COVID and the guidance from the FDA. 01:46:48.257 --> 01:47:00.025 The FDA had the latitude to require that the vaccine sponsors, the developers, implement more rigorous data capture for safety. 01:47:01.226 --> 01:47:02.507 And they elected not to. 01:47:03.828 --> 01:47:10.254 So they had the statutory authorization to do that, and they made a conscious decision not to. 01:47:10.354 --> 01:47:11.435 Let me understand what you're saying. 01:47:11.655 --> 01:47:16.299 Are you talking about in order to get the EUA, or are you talking about following the release of the EUA? 01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:19.122 I'm talking about post-authorization for EUA. 01:47:19.682 --> 01:47:24.987 FDA had the option to elect to require 01:47:26.505 --> 01:47:31.990 more or less rigor in how the data were captured normally under an EUA. 01:47:32.090 --> 01:47:37.776 So again, you're talking about after the vaccines have been authorized to give. 01:47:37.836 --> 01:47:38.837 Brett's pointing it out. 01:47:38.977 --> 01:47:40.358 He's not saying anything here. 01:47:41.099 --> 01:47:47.305 He's saying that the FDA could have followed up with the people they injected, but they chose not to as if that's part of this. 01:47:49.628 --> 01:47:57.173 As if that has anything to do with already having the common sense to know that you don't transfect people that you want to live a long, healthy life afterward. 01:47:59.094 --> 01:48:05.139 That transfection is not a suitable methodology for immunization against a respiratory disease. 01:48:05.799 --> 01:48:12.223 These are the basic biological principles that he should be putting forth if he's the expert that he purports to be. 01:48:13.644 --> 01:48:18.728 But instead, it seems like he's trying to blame the FDA for not having followed up with these people. 01:48:19.827 --> 01:48:27.152 And so the VAERS database is overwhelmed and the FDA had the legislative authority to do it. 01:48:27.712 --> 01:48:30.034 They coulda, but they chose not to. 01:48:31.435 --> 01:48:35.357 You know who could have spoke out in 2020, but chose not to? 01:48:35.377 --> 01:48:41.422 Do you know who could have held their arms straight in 2020, but was nowhere to be found? 01:48:42.302 --> 01:48:43.443 All three of these men. 01:48:47.617 --> 01:48:57.701 So throwing it on the FDA, as opposed to you who wrote a paper, two papers in 2020 about the dangers of these shots and then chose not to speak up about it. 01:48:59.021 --> 01:49:01.002 Why did you write those papers then, Robert? 01:49:02.943 --> 01:49:14.628 Could it have been because you wrote those papers because you had a, an Inovio vaccine that would not have had these kinds of problems because electroporation at a, 01:49:16.238 --> 01:49:21.740 at the skin barrier is safer from an activation perspective than transfection. 01:49:23.081 --> 01:49:40.067 So did you write those papers in 2020 to set the stage for a conclusion that the transfection was too dangerous and we should stick with something more rudimentary like an electroporation of a DNA into the skin? 01:49:42.468 --> 01:49:45.269 Because if you're not going to mention them at this table, 01:49:46.451 --> 01:50:09.208 If you're going to say you submitted manuscripts to the FDA, but you're not going to tell us where they are, if they're not in the notes of this, if, if Brett and, and Steve have not read those, those papers that you wrote more than a year earlier as part of the prep for this discussion, then what's going on here, I would ask. 01:50:12.133 --> 01:50:17.918 I think the Breggans have also asked the question of why did you write those papers if you've never told anybody about them? 01:50:19.319 --> 01:50:20.801 You wrote them so early. 01:50:20.861 --> 01:50:24.144 And then when you came out on Brett's podcast, you didn't mention them at all. 01:50:24.644 --> 01:50:26.566 The contents of them are not discussed. 01:50:29.789 --> 01:50:38.196 So maybe he wrote those papers because he didn't want the mRNA or the adenovirus vectors to be chosen as the countermeasure. 01:50:39.873 --> 01:50:43.694 rather than just because he was trying to save everybody from making a very big mistake. 01:50:44.034 --> 01:50:54.296 He was trying to save everybody from making a very big mistake on that product because maybe he had another product or other products. 01:50:55.597 --> 01:50:58.617 Steve, do you see where we are here, guys? 01:50:59.878 --> 01:51:01.018 This is plain as day. 01:51:01.858 --> 01:51:04.559 There's nothing to see here but malfeasance. 01:51:05.532 --> 01:51:16.515 And I don't know who's responsible for it because they're doing such a wonderful job of making it seem like a spontaneous discussion with certain talking points that they want to hit. 01:51:19.375 --> 01:51:22.716 To the public, data on what happens when it is administered to the public. 01:51:22.756 --> 01:51:23.416 That's what you're saying. 01:51:23.516 --> 01:51:26.717 Under an EUA, normally the way the statute was written, 01:51:27.870 --> 01:51:42.236 It's predominantly set up so that you no longer require written informed consent, but the sponsors are, this was the original intent, but the sponsors are still required to carefully capture. 01:51:42.256 --> 01:51:44.817 Malone doesn't show his hands because he's short. 01:51:46.573 --> 01:51:49.616 So this table's probably too high for him to put his hands on. 01:51:49.656 --> 01:51:50.898 Short people have that problem. 01:51:50.938 --> 01:51:53.540 His legs are probably also swinging under the table. 01:51:54.001 --> 01:51:56.503 Safety and efficacy information under EUA. 01:51:56.524 --> 01:51:58.706 You're still in an experimental product. 01:51:59.126 --> 01:52:00.348 You've just waived- With all subjects. 01:52:00.848 --> 01:52:02.370 You've just waived- Not a voluntary report system. 01:52:02.390 --> 01:52:04.432 You've just waived some of the requirements. 01:52:05.012 --> 01:52:09.077 In the current version of the EUA authorization, 01:52:11.429 --> 01:52:17.311 provides the FDA with the latitude to choose how rigorously that has to be done. 01:52:17.491 --> 01:52:25.994 And in this case, I'm not aware that they implemented any requirements for the sponsors to capture those data. 01:52:26.014 --> 01:52:29.595 See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. 01:52:29.715 --> 01:52:33.056 It's almost like they didn't want to see it. 01:52:33.216 --> 01:52:35.297 I don't want to imply intent. 01:52:35.657 --> 01:52:37.198 I just want to stay with the facts. 01:52:37.938 --> 01:52:38.839 Those are the facts. 01:52:38.859 --> 01:52:44.464 I would say this is one of a number of anomalies. 01:52:44.524 --> 01:52:44.924 Fair enough. 01:52:45.064 --> 01:52:54.332 If you accept the narrative about why the EUA was granted, if you accept how we ended up here, then certain things would follow. 01:52:54.472 --> 01:52:59.216 And when they don't, there's a reason to ask the question about why. 01:52:59.756 --> 01:53:02.179 And so in this case, it seems like 01:53:02.899 --> 01:53:13.461 If you're going to release this under an EUA because it's an emergency and because we've got a real problem that basically requires us to take more risk than we otherwise take, then what you would want to know is, well, actually how big is the risk? 01:53:13.860 --> 01:53:17.181 And the way you would find that out is as you gave the thing to people, you would look for a signal. 01:53:17.221 --> 01:53:28.903 That's the whole logic of EUA is you're basically substituting real-time capture of key information for prospective capture of key information, OK? 01:53:28.983 --> 01:53:31.984 But in order to do that, you've got to get the information. 01:53:32.164 --> 01:53:33.424 And it's got to be rigorous. 01:53:33.704 --> 01:53:33.925 Right. 01:53:34.225 --> 01:53:35.005 Now, another thing. 01:53:35.065 --> 01:53:37.105 So there's a list of anomalies. 01:53:37.125 --> 01:53:38.205 And it would be great to collect them. 01:53:38.245 --> 01:53:39.626 In fact, you may have collected them. 01:53:40.946 --> 01:53:47.970 I would say, when you've got an EUA, and that's the reason that you've licensed this vaccine, and you have no reason... It's not licensed. 01:53:48.570 --> 01:53:49.410 You have authorized. 01:53:49.571 --> 01:53:52.352 Authorized wide distribution of an experimental product. 01:53:52.492 --> 01:53:52.932 Fair enough. 01:53:53.933 --> 01:53:55.053 For experimentation on humans. 01:53:55.173 --> 01:54:02.017 At the point that you have decided to do that, what you have done is you have said, it is worth taking more risk in this case because of X. 01:54:02.777 --> 01:54:06.440 You certainly would not give it to people who get no benefit. 01:54:06.660 --> 01:54:10.964 If there's more risk, then the people who get no benefit really shouldn't be involved. 01:54:11.304 --> 01:54:15.107 In other words, people who have COVID should have no reason to take it. 01:54:15.347 --> 01:54:16.268 Kids should not take it. 01:54:16.348 --> 01:54:20.711 Kids shouldn't take it because they're actually fairly well protected against COVID. 01:54:20.731 --> 01:54:24.895 So this gets to my point that I've made in a couple other podcasts. 01:54:27.317 --> 01:54:30.559 Risk-benefit ratio sounds very sciency. 01:54:31.079 --> 01:54:32.881 But it needs to be calculated for the short age range. 01:54:32.921 --> 01:54:34.602 And it can be made sciency. 01:54:35.303 --> 01:54:45.530 And the standard process which the ACIP, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the CDC, has in place and uses with every other vaccine, 01:54:46.511 --> 01:55:04.194 is that there is a formal calculation about quality-adjusted life years, which is the basis for the risk-benefit equation, and they make a determination based on standard cohort brackets, okay, of which adolescence is one. 01:55:04.214 --> 01:55:07.595 Okay, first of all, I see something happening in the chat there. 01:55:08.415 --> 01:55:12.616 Mark Hustatonic is taller than me, so he's got to be at least 6'5", 01:55:14.176 --> 01:55:14.997 or 6'6". 01:55:16.458 --> 01:55:22.121 And I'm, on my basketball program in high school, I was 6'6", so I assume that I'm not that tall anymore. 01:55:22.542 --> 01:55:24.703 I'm not as tall as George Webb, who I've heard is 6'8". 01:55:26.815 --> 01:55:33.079 But Mark Housatonic and I see right eye to eye and his he's got like this giant skull. 01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:36.241 I have a really tiny head He's got a giant skull. 01:55:36.321 --> 01:55:48.849 So it's like sticks up above and then he's got that hair and then he's got Sunglasses and so he's he's like really tall so and Molarian curly was very funny. 01:55:48.989 --> 01:55:51.711 I saw that and I had to stop with that so 01:55:55.063 --> 01:55:56.164 Yeah, so I don't know. 01:55:56.484 --> 01:55:57.525 Pregnancy is another. 01:55:58.406 --> 01:56:22.345 I'm shocked really, because here we are talking about how exactly secret meetings and worst case scenario models, which again, if you go back to Mark's recent videos, you're going to find out that somebody who was very intimately related to Robert Malone was responsible for producing 01:56:23.126 --> 01:56:36.677 this data or modeling the data in such a way to make projections about how so many people would die and about whether or certain mitigation strategies would reduce those people from dying. 01:56:37.910 --> 01:56:43.035 So again, I can't stress enough how important it is to keep up with Mark. 01:56:43.656 --> 01:56:52.906 Sometimes I give myself the excuse when Mark makes such a good video that I don't need to stream because everybody needs to be looking for content and hopefully they'll go look there. 01:56:55.288 --> 01:56:57.190 I just can't stress enough how important it is. 01:56:58.328 --> 01:57:04.133 to keep following the people that are, that have been putting these puzzle pieces together much longer than I have. 01:57:04.173 --> 01:57:06.776 And Mark is one of the few that I can't. 01:57:07.596 --> 01:57:11.020 We have to make sure that that guy gets lifted up. 01:57:11.120 --> 01:57:13.882 So you've gotta be sharing his tweets. 01:57:13.922 --> 01:57:15.784 You've gotta be posting his videos. 01:57:16.444 --> 01:57:24.472 A lot of the people that are using the time and effort to post my videos should really also be sharing his because at this stage, 01:57:25.839 --> 01:57:45.545 The reason why I feel so committed to this path forward and looking backwards and examining who kept their arms straight is because I've come to realize that Mark has kept his arms straight for a very, very long time and was actually holding his arms straight on the internet before it was cool. 01:57:46.466 --> 01:57:53.728 And so I just, I don't know, I'm just very grateful to him for his friendship and I'm very grateful that, you know, 01:57:55.160 --> 01:57:58.484 After all this time, I'm finally following your advice and watching this video. 01:57:58.504 --> 01:58:05.511 I just can't believe how... I find a lot of hope here and a lot of reassurance that I'm not walking out on a limb. 01:58:06.252 --> 01:58:15.582 I'm not standing on shaky ground when I suggest that Robert Malone's past track record and career 01:58:17.427 --> 01:58:33.120 make it a dubious claim what he's making now, which is that he's a fifth generation warfare expert and that he's one of the few people telling the truth and that he has risked his life and limb and career to come out and do what he's done. 01:58:33.560 --> 01:58:44.009 When we look back at exactly how he came out and the words that he used as he was coming out with the people that he came out with, you can clearly see that there's some incongruence there. 01:58:46.261 --> 01:58:51.957 And it isn't necessarily to be assumed that this was an evolution in his position. 01:58:53.410 --> 01:59:06.100 but rather a sort of ongoing absorption of whatever is necessary to keep the general population on narrative, which is there's a gain of function virus that was released. 01:59:06.680 --> 01:59:08.462 It's still going around the world now. 01:59:08.882 --> 01:59:10.463 We can track it with PCR. 01:59:11.044 --> 01:59:14.466 Transfection is a pretty good technology that he's the inventor of. 01:59:14.887 --> 01:59:18.850 And if we wouldn't have chosen this toxic spike protein, everything would be fine. 01:59:21.345 --> 01:59:29.048 And now think back to that people map that I have and think about how many people have been convinced that the spike protein is especially toxic. 01:59:30.109 --> 01:59:32.510 Because it's all part of the same narrative. 01:59:34.130 --> 01:59:40.093 To try and hoodwink everybody to say that, oh no, the transfection is a wonderful idea. 01:59:40.981 --> 01:59:43.142 But this spike protein, boy, was it nasty. 01:59:43.182 --> 02:00:00.391 And when we find out who's responsible for choosing this antigen set, when we find out who's responsible for not regulating the production of this mRNA to a high enough standard, when we find out who's responsible for rushing us through, well, we'll fix it. 02:00:01.451 --> 02:00:03.472 And then the vaccines will be better. 02:00:04.253 --> 02:00:05.493 We're not gonna put anybody in jail. 02:00:05.513 --> 02:00:08.955 We're not gonna blame anyone because the PrEP Act protects everybody. 02:00:12.722 --> 02:00:14.363 Infants is another, et cetera. 02:00:16.105 --> 02:00:20.028 The elderly, the immunocompromised are also special populations. 02:00:20.048 --> 02:00:30.237 So usually the standard government practice is there's a formal evaluation of true risk benefit for each one of those cohorts and it shifts. 02:00:30.897 --> 02:00:36.242 And by the way, risk benefit shifts as the incidence of the attack rate 02:00:36.992 --> 02:00:39.233 of the pathogen changes, right? 02:00:39.393 --> 02:00:40.273 Less COVID cases. 02:00:40.333 --> 02:00:43.775 If there's no COVID, then there's no benefit to the vaccine, no reason to take the risk. 02:00:43.835 --> 02:00:44.035 Right. 02:00:44.175 --> 02:00:51.478 So I would also point out, though, that in this case, again, I respect not wanting to assume or infer intent. 02:00:51.658 --> 02:00:54.339 And I think that's wise, because there are multiple ways you can get here. 02:00:54.379 --> 02:01:01.522 But somehow, both the new- How many times did Robert Malone say on the podcast, the Defender podcast that I was on, 02:01:02.182 --> 02:01:07.064 That unlike Jonathan, I would be very careful to infer intent. 02:01:09.325 --> 02:01:14.087 And actually, the other person on that podcast who echoed that sentiment was Jessica Rose. 02:01:16.848 --> 02:01:18.709 Just observations, data points. 02:01:19.069 --> 02:01:22.451 The numerator and the denominator appear to have been gamed, right? 02:01:22.511 --> 02:01:26.032 Because I would say they have been insufficiently documented. 02:01:26.052 --> 02:01:27.033 I don't know what that flash was. 02:01:27.053 --> 02:01:29.054 So what we have is almost worthless. 02:01:29.710 --> 02:01:31.277 Well, let's put it this way. 02:01:31.639 --> 02:01:33.205 The benefit calculation 02:01:34.252 --> 02:01:40.513 requires you to look at the full set of alternatives in order to understand whether the risk is worth taking. 02:01:40.813 --> 02:01:41.573 I concur on that. 02:01:41.673 --> 02:01:46.634 Yeah, so let's talk about, you know, what the alternative is, right? 02:01:46.674 --> 02:01:59.957 Because that's been unfairly, you know, they basically have this evidence and the NIH, and Cliff Lane, by the way, runs the NIH COVID treatment guidelines. 02:02:00.517 --> 02:02:01.637 And I have told Cliff, 02:02:02.637 --> 02:02:14.660 in many times that fluvoxamine, when it was confirmed in a large phase three trial, which is the standard of evidence, as I said, everybody's waiting for this large, really well done phase three trial. 02:02:15.060 --> 02:02:25.022 And I told him about an interim result that was P value of 0.05, meets the bar, proves that it really works, there is no doubt. 02:02:25.662 --> 02:02:32.044 Can you imagine advocating for something that has psychological effects on people that is supposed to be antidepressive? 02:02:33.459 --> 02:02:39.562 as a way of combating a respiratory virus? 02:02:39.602 --> 02:02:40.783 Can you imagine that? 02:02:42.023 --> 02:02:43.104 What does that mean to you? 02:02:44.825 --> 02:02:57.051 Were they interested in convincing people to take psychoactive medicine that would mellow them out, dumb them down, steady them? 02:02:58.952 --> 02:03:02.454 What happens to people when they take fluvoxamine for COVID? 02:03:05.316 --> 02:03:06.376 Do they get suicidal? 02:03:07.836 --> 02:03:16.878 Do you understand how weird it is to be advocating for that drug as opposed to vitamin D or zinc or zinc ionophore? 02:03:16.998 --> 02:03:22.019 Like at the time, somebody like Zev Zelenko was, was, was pushing. 02:03:22.539 --> 02:03:25.860 Can you imagine this, how strange that is? 02:03:27.180 --> 02:03:27.440 Wow. 02:03:27.580 --> 02:03:30.321 How much of a context that is to just think about that. 02:03:30.381 --> 02:03:32.781 Think about that for a minute. 02:03:33.933 --> 02:03:40.895 The first thing that Mr. Steve Kirsch brings up is something that might make your teenager go crazy. 02:03:41.496 --> 02:03:43.576 It might make you have suicidal thoughts. 02:03:49.098 --> 02:03:54.700 Not vitamin D. So how much biology are we really learning here, ladies and gentlemen? 02:03:54.780 --> 02:03:56.881 Or are we just learning what's going to be done to us? 02:03:57.745 --> 02:04:01.388 what has been done, and what's going to be done to us. 02:04:01.448 --> 02:04:03.050 What are we really being told here? 02:04:03.530 --> 02:04:04.751 We're not being freed. 02:04:05.612 --> 02:04:10.316 These people are not teaching us to fish so that we can go to the river and figure it out ourselves. 02:04:11.637 --> 02:04:18.403 They're telling us what is, what's meant to be, what's gonna happen, so that we can accept it. 02:04:18.743 --> 02:04:19.584 That's what I hear. 02:04:21.085 --> 02:04:25.189 Even if Steve is an excellent, excellent, excellent dupe here, 02:04:26.954 --> 02:04:27.756 This is what I hear. 02:04:27.816 --> 02:04:30.161 This is an elaborate performance. 02:04:32.486 --> 02:04:32.987 No change. 02:04:33.428 --> 02:04:35.132 No, it doesn't even respond. 02:04:35.593 --> 02:04:36.515 When Ivermectin 02:04:37.592 --> 02:04:40.275 There was a report by Tess Lowry, an excellent report. 02:04:40.835 --> 02:04:42.057 It was done three months ago. 02:04:42.617 --> 02:04:44.759 She widely distributed to the WHO. 02:04:44.779 --> 02:04:50.565 By the way, the WHO knows that fluvoxamine works too, and so does the Gates Foundation, but they're saying nothing to people. 02:04:51.125 --> 02:04:58.372 And so this information, and if anyone wants to challenge me on this, you know, if Gates Foundation wants to debate me on this, 02:04:59.133 --> 02:04:59.593 Bring it on. 02:04:59.914 --> 02:05:02.716 If the WHO wants to debate me on this, bring it on. 02:05:02.816 --> 02:05:06.879 And I will show that they knew, and they're not telling people. 02:05:07.219 --> 02:05:11.463 Cliff Lane knew, and he's not changing the guidelines. 02:05:11.723 --> 02:05:15.066 This information is being suppressed, and it's unfair. 02:05:15.566 --> 02:05:17.347 But let's talk about the ivermectin report. 02:05:17.728 --> 02:05:19.349 So what is being suppressed? 02:05:19.409 --> 02:05:22.371 The information that fluvoxamine can help. 02:05:23.392 --> 02:05:25.434 The information that ivermectin can help. 02:05:26.479 --> 02:05:33.842 The information that's not being suppressed apparently is that vitamin D is an essential cofactor of your immune system. 02:05:33.902 --> 02:05:36.903 It's not being said that vitamin C in general can help. 02:05:37.403 --> 02:05:40.104 It's not being said that what you eat matters. 02:05:40.164 --> 02:05:46.267 It's not being said that if you're 40 years old and haven't taken care of yourself for 30 of those years, you might have a problem. 02:05:46.687 --> 02:05:51.269 It's not being said yet that remdesivir isn't useful here. 02:05:51.649 --> 02:05:54.410 We're 40 minutes in, we still haven't mentioned that. 02:05:55.728 --> 02:05:58.529 We haven't mentioned the improper ventilation of people. 02:06:00.209 --> 02:06:07.931 We haven't mentioned anything of relevance on our table, on our bulletin boards, on our notes anymore. 02:06:09.112 --> 02:06:09.772 Nothing yet. 02:06:12.052 --> 02:06:16.674 Because Tess Lowry created this report, and these guys did nothing. 02:06:16.894 --> 02:06:23.455 They sat back and said, well, Tess, it's not peer reviewed, so nobody's going to peer review it, so we don't have to do anything. 02:06:24.076 --> 02:06:24.656 So Tess said, 02:06:25.546 --> 02:06:30.750 You know, these guys aren't doing anything with it, so I'm going to submit it to a journal. 02:06:31.330 --> 02:06:34.993 And she got it peer-reviewed, and it probably will be published tomorrow. 02:06:35.973 --> 02:06:39.835 In which case, all these people that said, well, ivermectin doesn't work. 02:06:40.375 --> 02:06:42.876 And I believe in evidence-based medicine. 02:06:42.916 --> 02:06:46.098 And I would talk to the top officials in India. 02:06:46.318 --> 02:06:48.599 And then they would say, I believe in evidence-based medicine. 02:06:48.619 --> 02:06:50.440 I said, here's all the evidence. 02:06:51.360 --> 02:06:56.622 Here's the systematic review and meta-analysis that you need. 02:06:56.642 --> 02:06:58.143 That's the highest level of evidence. 02:06:58.803 --> 02:06:59.484 Look at the evidence. 02:06:59.504 --> 02:07:04.326 And he says, and the response is, well, the WHO and the NIH don't say so. 02:07:05.066 --> 02:07:06.388 I'm sorry, I'm not interested. 02:07:06.528 --> 02:07:08.190 And the evidence is overwhelming. 02:07:09.052 --> 02:07:09.693 There's no question. 02:07:09.713 --> 02:07:10.333 There's no question. 02:07:10.474 --> 02:07:14.439 And this is among the safest drugs that we have in our arsenal. 02:07:14.779 --> 02:07:17.483 So that's on the ivermectin story. 02:07:17.623 --> 02:07:17.804 Yep. 02:07:18.064 --> 02:07:18.364 Okay. 02:07:19.125 --> 02:07:20.227 That's the sticker for me. 02:07:21.829 --> 02:07:33.356 And I just got another report of a physician in Africa who had championed ivermectin, and then there was a regime change, and now she's being threatened with being put in jail. 02:07:34.476 --> 02:07:35.897 There's all this pushback about ivermectin. 02:07:35.917 --> 02:07:36.797 You're talking about Zimbabwe? 02:07:37.378 --> 02:07:37.538 Yeah. 02:07:37.798 --> 02:07:41.140 No, no, they changed it. 02:07:41.160 --> 02:07:44.522 But my point is, to underscore what you just said, 02:07:45.905 --> 02:07:56.435 is that at the doses that are being advocated that appear to be effective based on the data, and I've been tracking the same data, those are known to be safe. 02:07:57.215 --> 02:08:03.601 And so you have a drug which is available in the pharmacopeia, it's licensed. 02:08:04.182 --> 02:08:06.864 It's funny because this is actually the lens they chose. 02:08:08.005 --> 02:08:10.748 If you choose a cheap lens that's like, 02:08:12.224 --> 02:08:23.089 16 mils or 18 mil lens and it's kind of cheap, you know, like you don't get a Zeiss one or something like that, then the people on the outside of the circle are going to look bigger than the people on the inside. 02:08:23.729 --> 02:08:26.370 And so that changes quite dramatically. 02:08:26.430 --> 02:08:35.133 And so the reason why it looks like Robert Malone has a T-Rex arm is because that's in the normal focal plane of the lens. 02:08:35.173 --> 02:08:40.376 And then whatever lens they chose here is really distorting it all the way out at the edges. 02:08:41.336 --> 02:08:41.436 Um, 02:08:42.304 --> 02:08:45.605 I think that's also because Steve Kersh is actually also quite a small guy. 02:08:45.625 --> 02:08:47.986 I think they're all pretty short guys. 02:08:48.706 --> 02:08:51.787 Um, but you can't really see it here because of the way the lens does this. 02:08:52.487 --> 02:09:00.789 Physicians in the United States, at least in most countries have the right to prescribe from the existing pharmacopeia, even off label for other purposes. 02:09:00.809 --> 02:09:01.609 Okay. 02:09:02.270 --> 02:09:03.970 At safe levels. 02:09:05.191 --> 02:09:10.312 And they're, they're, um, being, um, uh, 02:09:12.024 --> 02:09:18.630 There is active consequences of physicians prescribing this drug openly and speaking about it. 02:09:18.650 --> 02:09:21.132 And pharmacies won't even fill the prescriptions. 02:09:21.412 --> 02:09:23.493 And yet they're administering it a safe dose. 02:09:23.533 --> 02:09:25.955 So if it's being administered... Boy, he hates being interrupted. 02:09:25.975 --> 02:09:29.198 Can you hear him sigh into the microphone every time Steve interrupts him? 02:09:29.378 --> 02:09:31.919 sort of safe dose, and it's even marginally effective. 02:09:31.939 --> 02:09:32.779 There's no harm. 02:09:33.340 --> 02:09:35.721 That just doesn't make sense. 02:09:35.741 --> 02:09:37.441 There's something called the precautionary principle. 02:09:37.461 --> 02:09:38.642 This is really important, okay? 02:09:38.662 --> 02:09:40.323 There's a precautionary principle of medicine. 02:09:40.843 --> 02:09:44.664 And this is what- So again, they're pushing this idea that, wow, it doesn't make sense. 02:09:44.745 --> 02:09:47.406 They're opposing the use of ivermectin. 02:09:47.486 --> 02:09:49.567 So ivermectin must work. 02:09:53.008 --> 02:09:57.570 I really believe in my heart of hearts that this is also part of the Scooby-Doo. 02:09:58.900 --> 02:10:07.248 Not only have they argued to believe that, you know, it's a lab leak because Fauci and Rand Paul argued about it in front of the Senate. 02:10:07.268 --> 02:10:11.271 It made it obvious because of the diffuse proposal. 02:10:11.351 --> 02:10:15.175 It's obvious that this is a lab leak caused by spraying in bat caves, whatever. 02:10:16.485 --> 02:10:29.968 I believe that what we are witnessing here is the seeding of an ivermectin narrative, the continuation of an ivermectin narrative that early treatment works on this novel pathogen that's going around the world. 02:10:32.749 --> 02:10:39.050 And there are a lot of doctors, I think, that are coming to the realization that the effectiveness of this drug was not obvious. 02:10:41.351 --> 02:10:44.352 And I'm not sure what's going on with it. 02:10:44.432 --> 02:10:45.912 I'm not sure that we're right. 02:10:47.560 --> 02:11:04.036 What I would argue is that by blaming everything on ivermectin without adequately looking at what it is that those patients also got, we are making a very dangerous leap here. 02:11:04.076 --> 02:11:11.123 And one of the things that I would say Tess Lowry's meta-analysis does is it may make that leap. 02:11:12.759 --> 02:11:24.926 I don't know to what extent we've looked at those papers, and no, we have to make sure that those papers don't have people that were on ivermectin, and also antibiotics, and also anti-inflammatories, and then some that weren't. 02:11:26.327 --> 02:11:31.170 Because then that meta-analysis isn't as valid as we would have assumed it is. 02:11:32.771 --> 02:11:36.173 And one of the things we need to be very honest about with ourselves is, 02:11:38.413 --> 02:11:53.638 That if Ivermectin is used in the context of remdesivir, if it is used in the context of, well, let's say mixtures and interactions of any kind, we don't know if Ivermectin worked. 02:11:53.718 --> 02:12:02.661 One of the best examples I have is, I was losing it there for a minute, but one of the best examples I have is Joe Rogan. 02:12:03.587 --> 02:12:17.315 Joe Rogan made a very big to-do about the fact that CNN censored his use of ivermectin by saying that he took horse medicine, or horse paste, or horse medicine. 02:12:18.696 --> 02:12:20.917 And it's not horse medicine, it's human medicine. 02:12:21.718 --> 02:12:34.204 But what that did, I believe, very strongly I believe, what that did was distract from the fact that Joe Rogan also got anti-inflammatories and he also got monoclonal antibodies. 02:12:37.326 --> 02:12:48.512 And so there's no way to judge whether it was the ivermectin or the monoclonal antibodies or whatever else he was given or his extreme, extremely 02:12:49.465 --> 02:12:54.269 fit lifestyle that ultimately ended up getting him through whatever he had. 02:12:56.411 --> 02:13:12.684 But saying that he had it, saying that he had ivermectin, saying that CNN made some big deal about it, saying that the FDA had this silly tweet about it being horse medicine, and listening to these guys hyper-focus on it, 02:13:14.304 --> 02:13:32.113 as opposed to vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, zinc ionophores, all the things that Zev Zelenko and other more holistic people that were promoting natural infection and were promoting natural immunity and overlapping previous immunity like I was, were promoting. 02:13:34.214 --> 02:13:38.096 And at the time we were all panicked and we were all freaking out. 02:13:38.136 --> 02:13:40.918 And so it didn't seem as obvious as this should seem now. 02:13:42.128 --> 02:13:44.789 This is 100% on narrative performance here. 02:13:45.649 --> 02:13:54.653 They used for mask wearing because masks, which are mandated, they actually didn't even have a double blind randomized control trial ever for mask wearing. 02:13:54.973 --> 02:14:01.075 You did the mandate and then they did the, it couldn't be double blind because you can't do that. 02:14:01.175 --> 02:14:02.655 It has to be a randomized control trial. 02:14:02.856 --> 02:14:05.156 So they ran, there's one trial in Denmark. 02:14:05.517 --> 02:14:06.257 Guess what happened? 02:14:07.905 --> 02:14:12.586 No, it was not statistically significant difference whether you were wearing a mask or not. 02:14:12.906 --> 02:14:16.167 There was a slight benefit, but it wasn't statistically significant. 02:14:16.427 --> 02:14:23.088 So, everybody would say, they'd always say, well, so we can't use it, you know, until. 02:14:23.108 --> 02:14:24.368 So, that's the question, right? 02:14:24.408 --> 02:14:33.790 A lot of people have been saying that ivermectin interferes with the replication transcription complex, but I do believe that ivermectin is a zinc ionophore. 02:14:35.177 --> 02:14:38.400 or upregulates zinc or has some interplay with zinc. 02:14:39.221 --> 02:14:40.742 Andquiseratin is that way. 02:14:42.104 --> 02:14:44.506 We just know these things from Zev Zelenko. 02:14:44.806 --> 02:14:55.936 And I trust Zev Zelenko more than I trust any of these other people, because he has consistently been interested in educating people on the lack of 02:15:00.899 --> 02:15:08.705 the lack of usefulness of the transfection, the danger of transfection, and the reason why our immune system is already ready to do that. 02:15:09.026 --> 02:15:26.600 There's no question in my mind that it's notable that these guys in June of 2021 have not mentioned anything to do with zinc, anything to do with zinc ionophores, anything to do with vitamin D, and anything to do with Zev Zelenko. 02:15:27.571 --> 02:15:30.594 They haven't even really mentioned hydroxychloroquine yet. 02:15:30.654 --> 02:15:31.935 Are you noticing that? 02:15:32.635 --> 02:15:35.558 They haven't even mentioned hydroxychloroquine yet. 02:15:36.038 --> 02:15:37.139 Are you noticing that? 02:15:38.560 --> 02:15:41.383 They haven't even mentioned hydroxychloroquine yet. 02:15:41.543 --> 02:15:42.484 Are you noticing that? 02:15:43.297 --> 02:15:45.098 It's proving because I don't want to do an unproven thing. 02:15:45.378 --> 02:15:48.119 And yet for mass, they say, oh, it's mandated. 02:15:48.459 --> 02:15:50.079 And they do that on the precautionary principle. 02:15:50.099 --> 02:16:05.185 The precautionary principle says that, you know, as long as there are no downsides, and there might be an upside, we do it because until we have better data, and they're ignoring that for fluvoxamine and ivermectin, because they want to push the vaccine. 02:16:05.225 --> 02:16:06.465 So there's no alternative. 02:16:06.645 --> 02:16:08.006 Yeah, they've reversed it on us. 02:16:08.526 --> 02:16:09.246 Yeah. 02:16:09.326 --> 02:16:11.667 So this is the third anomaly, right? 02:16:11.847 --> 02:16:19.909 So the third anomaly here is that given a drug about which people claim the data is ambiguous, I don't believe it is. 02:16:19.969 --> 02:16:20.789 No, it's not at all. 02:16:20.969 --> 02:16:23.130 But 23 studies all positive. 02:16:23.330 --> 02:16:25.770 It wouldn't tell you not to administer it given how safe it is. 02:16:25.810 --> 02:16:31.892 So you've got a bunch of anomalies that say they don't want to collect data on the hazard of the vaccines. 02:16:32.532 --> 02:16:32.732 right? 02:16:32.992 --> 02:16:39.615 They're administering the vaccines to people who get no benefit, in spite of the fact that there's clearly an elevated risk based on the accelerated profile. 02:16:40.175 --> 02:16:48.699 And they don't want you to administer a drug that appears at worst to do no harm, and at best, potentially highly valuable. 02:16:48.779 --> 02:16:50.900 And let me tell you the story of fluvoxamine. 02:16:51.260 --> 02:16:53.101 Okay, because this really is. 02:16:53.761 --> 02:16:56.202 So fluvoxamine came out, it was published in JAMA. 02:16:56.443 --> 02:16:57.483 So fluvoxamine 02:16:57.783 --> 02:16:58.603 is an SSRI. 02:16:58.663 --> 02:17:08.866 It's an SSRI and it penetrates the blood-brain barrier which is great because people have this brain fog. 02:17:09.106 --> 02:17:10.586 Holy crap! 02:17:12.767 --> 02:17:14.987 Do you hear how ridiculous this is? 02:17:15.467 --> 02:17:17.308 It penetrates the blood-brain barrier. 02:17:17.488 --> 02:17:22.049 It's an SSRI and that makes perfect sense for a respiratory disease. 02:17:23.996 --> 02:17:26.438 What in the nine hells is going on here? 02:17:27.118 --> 02:17:33.383 He thinks it relieves the fog of COVID, the long COVID, the mental aspects of COVID. 02:17:33.884 --> 02:17:34.684 Are you kidding me? 02:17:35.465 --> 02:17:36.566 Are you kidding me? 02:17:39.528 --> 02:17:41.730 And so I've experienced it. 02:17:41.990 --> 02:17:42.570 It's real. 02:17:42.630 --> 02:17:43.551 I'm like ivermectin. 02:17:44.051 --> 02:17:44.572 Flumoxib. 02:17:44.652 --> 02:17:45.773 I've experienced it. 02:17:46.233 --> 02:17:46.874 It's real. 02:17:51.037 --> 02:17:52.158 I've experienced it. 02:17:53.218 --> 02:17:53.699 It's real. 02:17:55.445 --> 02:17:56.526 goes all the way to the brain. 02:17:58.568 --> 02:17:59.649 Brain fog, okay? 02:17:59.969 --> 02:18:01.090 And so, unlike ivermectin. 02:18:01.110 --> 02:18:02.992 I've experienced it, it's real. 02:18:03.092 --> 02:18:15.724 Unlike ivermectin, flumoxamine goes all the way to the brain, and it calms the inflammation in the brain, and because it activates the sigma-run receptor, which Francis Collins has written extensively about as saying this is really important. 02:18:16.044 --> 02:18:19.986 So we have this drug that Francis Collins says, yeah, I love the mechanism of inaction. 02:18:20.306 --> 02:18:21.126 We actually tried it. 02:18:21.206 --> 02:18:29.829 So in the trial, it had 100% effect in terms of no hospitalization for the 80 patients in that trial. 02:18:30.350 --> 02:18:35.151 And then what happened is that JAMA said, do not use, doctors, do not use this. 02:18:35.171 --> 02:18:36.372 This is just a hypothesis. 02:18:37.250 --> 02:18:40.533 despite the fact that everything leading up to that was all positive. 02:18:40.753 --> 02:18:51.061 All of the observational studies, everybody was saying there's a huge signal here, so you run it in a randomized trial and confirm it, and JAMA says, that's not, just his hypothesis, don't use it. 02:18:51.482 --> 02:19:01.630 So there's this guy, Dr. David Seftel, and I'm on his podcast talking about, hey, the fluvoxamine, the trial got published in JAMA, 100% effect size. 02:19:02.030 --> 02:19:06.414 And so he says, oh, he had an outbreak at the racetrack 02:19:07.054 --> 02:19:09.838 the next day after my podcast. 02:19:09.878 --> 02:19:14.765 So he decided to ignore the advice from JAMA editors. 02:19:15.406 --> 02:19:16.928 Howard Bachner wrote that. 02:19:17.168 --> 02:19:23.296 He said, don't use this until it's proven in a clinical trial, which violates the precautionary principle. 02:19:23.777 --> 02:19:24.037 Okay. 02:19:24.357 --> 02:19:27.900 So Seftal said, no, I'm going to use this because it could save lives. 02:19:28.480 --> 02:19:34.224 And he gave it to 77, uh, 77 people opted to do that, including eight crossovers. 02:19:34.264 --> 02:19:39.387 So eight people failed the, the no treatment group and said, Hey, I want the drug. 02:19:39.828 --> 02:19:44.551 And in fact, everybody after the first two weeks wanted the drug because they could see the difference, right? 02:19:44.571 --> 02:19:45.852 They didn't have to look at P values. 02:19:46.192 --> 02:19:53.157 They looked at one side where people who are like, you know, stuck in bed and mental fog, the other side. 02:19:53.757 --> 02:20:01.162 They took the fluvoxamine, and in three days, people were like back to normal, and they told Seftal, I want to get back to work, like there's nothing wrong. 02:20:01.182 --> 02:20:03.764 So let's unpack that a little bit, okay? 02:20:04.004 --> 02:20:08.167 Hang on, let me just finish the story, because this is not the end of this. 02:20:08.448 --> 02:20:16.974 Okay, so all 77 patients who got the fluvoxamine, and it was 50 milligrams twice a day, most of the people got that dose, which is one third of the FDA dose. 02:20:17.805 --> 02:20:26.912 They recovered, they didn't have any long-haul COVID symptoms after two weeks, and they'd never even developed any long-haul COVID symptoms. 02:20:27.573 --> 02:20:35.780 So this is what I call the miracle of the racetrack because the other matching group, they had a 12.5% hospitalization rate and one guy died. 02:20:36.579 --> 02:20:51.724 So when you look at the p-value of that symptom data, oh, so the long-haul COVID symptoms, zero in the treatment group, 60% in the no treatment group, and you do a Fisher exact test and calculate the p-value, 10 to the minus 14. 02:20:52.485 --> 02:20:57.827 Okay, that's 10 orders of magnitude more significant than the vaccines. 02:20:57.867 --> 02:21:00.908 The chances that this worked by accident are effectively zero. 02:21:00.928 --> 02:21:01.688 Zero, zero. 02:21:02.128 --> 02:21:07.830 OK, but what should have happened is that NIH should have said, I want to send an investigator down. 02:21:07.850 --> 02:21:09.090 I want to see if there was any bias. 02:21:09.430 --> 02:21:11.371 See, Steve makes a lot of these arguments. 02:21:11.411 --> 02:21:17.853 He used to waste a lot of time in his steering committee throwing all these random, what if I did this? 02:21:17.893 --> 02:21:20.374 What if I asked people a bunch of questions about this stuff? 02:21:20.394 --> 02:21:21.534 Do you think we could learn anything? 02:21:22.543 --> 02:21:27.426 He's got a lot of really weird arguments that don't really get at the nuts and bolts of what's going on here. 02:21:28.347 --> 02:21:34.331 And he, he, he sells them with an enthusiasm that can often on the surface, make it seem like that. 02:21:34.351 --> 02:21:37.113 He's got a great idea, but they're, they're rarely great ideas. 02:21:37.333 --> 02:21:38.554 I want to see if there were any confounders. 02:21:38.874 --> 02:21:41.716 You know, this is like the miracle drug that we've been looking for. 02:21:42.016 --> 02:21:45.278 They should have been, they should have sent the entire staff down there. 02:21:45.658 --> 02:21:47.579 You want to respond to this? 02:21:47.859 --> 02:21:49.100 I'd like to respond too. 02:21:49.120 --> 02:22:05.530 This is one of many examples of where repurposed drug information is not being able to be processed and made available to the general public and to the scientific community because of journal editors. 02:22:07.409 --> 02:22:08.069 No, no, no. 02:22:08.109 --> 02:22:14.393 Look, both of these were published in peer-reviewed journals, top editor's choice in peer-reviewed journals. 02:22:14.433 --> 02:22:15.393 So that's just a threat. 02:22:15.413 --> 02:22:16.154 But here's the thing. 02:22:16.194 --> 02:22:18.135 We know what they're going to say. 02:22:18.175 --> 02:22:22.117 Yeah, the FDA said, well, it was quasi-randomized and people got to choose. 02:22:22.157 --> 02:22:25.038 But the sicker people chose to take the drug. 02:22:25.058 --> 02:22:26.159 This is exactly what I was going to say. 02:22:26.599 --> 02:22:30.820 The fact is people do not understand how science works in a technical field like this. 02:22:30.980 --> 02:22:35.742 There is bias in the test that you're talking about, but it happens to be conservative bias. 02:22:35.842 --> 02:22:36.722 Exactly. 02:22:36.802 --> 02:22:40.003 What it means is that what you saw is actually more aggressive. 02:22:40.023 --> 02:22:40.963 Better than random. 02:22:41.244 --> 02:22:44.164 And the FDA said, no, we're rejecting it because it was quasi-randomized. 02:22:44.264 --> 02:22:47.165 So this, again, is anomalous behavior. 02:22:47.385 --> 02:22:54.968 That's the point I was trying to make, is that there's, we got to, so if we're going to get sciency, we got a lot of data points. 02:22:56.048 --> 02:23:02.355 And, um, they're, they're way past forming a line and, um, they're hard to explain. 02:23:02.956 --> 02:23:03.056 Yeah. 02:23:03.136 --> 02:23:06.420 Oh, look, Hey, I got to tell you about my $2 million offer, Brett. 02:23:06.700 --> 02:23:09.403 So you can, after the podcast, you can check it out. 02:23:09.423 --> 02:23:10.324 It's on trial site news. 02:23:10.344 --> 02:23:11.005 There's an article. 02:23:12.080 --> 02:23:17.662 I offered a million dollars if you could prove that the NIH got it right on ivermectin. 02:23:18.042 --> 02:23:22.203 I offer a million dollars if you can prove that the NIH got it right on fluvoxamine. 02:23:22.763 --> 02:23:24.544 And you have two ways to win. 02:23:24.964 --> 02:23:36.067 You can either show that the evidence is, that your hypothesis matches the evidence more closely than the alternative hypothesis of it working. 02:23:36.747 --> 02:23:37.007 Okay. 02:23:37.448 --> 02:23:39.849 Or you can see, so here we are again. 02:23:39.869 --> 02:24:03.406 I think that one of the things that we're going to have to learn over the next few weeks is that the way that hypothesis testing is represented as a foolproof Vorpal sword that can be used to cut through the weeds of, of, of information to produce knowledge is wrong. 02:24:06.144 --> 02:24:17.334 And we have been led to believe that hypothesis testing and p-values result in a certainty that makes it able for us to move forward with big ideas. 02:24:17.534 --> 02:24:26.182 And that big ideas can never be fully proven, but have to be tested over and over and over again. 02:24:27.864 --> 02:24:42.969 That's why when this coronavirus came out and it's an RNA virus, we had to throw out everything that we knew before because this is a new virus that we would be silly to compare to other coronaviruses, other RNA viruses that we have come to understand. 02:24:44.249 --> 02:24:49.211 It would be crazy to treat this respiratory disease like we treat any other respiratory disease. 02:24:49.731 --> 02:24:51.952 We should try an antidepressant. 02:24:54.206 --> 02:25:00.191 that passes the blood-brain barrier because some of the people that get this respiratory disease apparently also have long COVID. 02:25:03.333 --> 02:25:05.174 Nothing is being taught here. 02:25:06.776 --> 02:25:11.339 We are all dumber for having watched this podcast in 2021. 02:25:11.439 --> 02:25:21.066 We were all less able to exercise our informed consent after having watched this podcast. 02:25:21.166 --> 02:25:23.068 That's the real conclusion to come to. 02:25:24.850 --> 02:25:47.179 is that Robert Malone, Brett Weinstein, and Steve Kirsch worked against our ability to exercise our informed consent when they said the words that they did in the first hour of this podcast, because they led us to believe that masking was required until you were fully vaccinated. 02:25:47.579 --> 02:25:50.060 Masking was required until you had been infected 02:25:51.058 --> 02:25:55.301 masking would be required until you came up with a suitable prophylactic. 02:25:56.502 --> 02:26:02.465 And that evidence that this prophylactic works is an exhibited censorship of it. 02:26:05.788 --> 02:26:09.930 And the existence of censorship of other repurposed drugs. 02:26:11.271 --> 02:26:18.656 After 51 minutes, they have not mentioned zinc, not mentioned vitamin D. They have not told us the truth. 02:26:20.043 --> 02:26:29.653 They have told us a narrative, a narrative that is essentially a trap because people will continue to take the transfections. 02:26:30.213 --> 02:26:32.956 The age groups will continue to move down the scale. 02:26:34.097 --> 02:26:41.885 And these guys did not put their foot down like we seem to have imagined that they did, that we have been led to believe that they had. 02:26:43.271 --> 02:26:51.687 Because my YouTube got canceled and I couldn't make any more money on YouTube because I let Robert Malone and Steve Kirsch tell the truth on my podcast. 02:26:53.090 --> 02:26:54.312 That's why I'm a hero. 02:27:00.014 --> 02:27:05.497 show that you're going to save more lives by choosing what the NIH did. 02:27:05.797 --> 02:27:08.239 Because the NIH doesn't care about lives at all. 02:27:08.659 --> 02:27:13.121 They never make the lives calculation in their recommendations. 02:27:13.141 --> 02:27:15.203 Let's not say they don't care about lives. 02:27:16.183 --> 02:27:20.065 If you look at the recommendations, they never include anything about the cost of life. 02:27:20.425 --> 02:27:22.527 No talk about hospitals getting paid. 02:27:22.647 --> 02:27:26.049 No talk about hospitals getting paid to ventilate people. 02:27:26.489 --> 02:27:28.010 No talk about hospitals getting 02:27:28.650 --> 02:27:33.872 paid to use remdesivir, no talk about the financial incentives to blow up cases. 02:27:35.112 --> 02:27:35.612 None at all. 02:27:36.232 --> 02:27:37.253 None at all. 02:27:38.173 --> 02:27:44.795 And we are now 51 minutes in and we still haven't talked about the fact that the PCR test is probably not testing for what they said it's testing for. 02:27:45.728 --> 02:27:48.830 We've never once questioned the prevalence of the virus. 02:27:48.910 --> 02:27:51.271 It's crazy. 02:27:51.911 --> 02:27:52.912 At the cost of being wrong. 02:27:52.972 --> 02:27:54.933 Are we too far in the weeds right now? 02:27:54.953 --> 02:27:56.033 No, this is important, right? 02:27:56.053 --> 02:28:07.039 Because this is the, everybody looks to the NIH for these guidance and the NIH uses these academic principles of what is right instead of saving lives in a pandemic. 02:28:07.159 --> 02:28:08.580 And that is absolutely wrong. 02:28:08.680 --> 02:28:10.521 Actually, I would disagree with you. 02:28:10.581 --> 02:28:10.961 Well, good. 02:28:11.261 --> 02:28:23.052 Okay, I think that what's coming out in the recommendations right now is not really aligned with academic norms. 02:28:23.812 --> 02:28:31.159 I think there is appearance that there's decisions being made that are somewhat arbitrary. 02:28:32.532 --> 02:28:41.201 Oh, like, like, like, uh, uh, uh, like, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, well, the ivermectin response. 02:28:41.341 --> 02:28:42.222 No, no, no, no. 02:28:42.262 --> 02:28:42.822 Remdesivir. 02:28:42.902 --> 02:28:42.963 Yes. 02:28:42.983 --> 02:28:43.283 Right. 02:28:43.323 --> 02:28:43.843 Remdesivir. 02:28:43.863 --> 02:28:44.864 Remdesivir is one. 02:28:44.904 --> 02:28:46.146 Dexamethasone is another. 02:28:56.816 --> 02:29:00.961 Right after anomaly after anomaly and they all go in the same direction. 02:29:01.001 --> 02:29:12.693 They all go in the same direction everything Being exerted it looks like Steve doesn't understand that remdesivir was pushed for Zika and was pushed for Ebola and was pushed for a number of 02:29:13.474 --> 02:29:14.195 different things. 02:29:14.575 --> 02:29:20.298 He doesn't understand that it was predicted by Sina Bavaria as being useful for the next pandemic in 2019. 02:29:20.779 --> 02:29:31.325 He doesn't realize that Rick Bright made an orchestrated effort to get all the stuff ready to go so that we could manufacture lots and lots of doses of it even before we knew it would be useful. 02:29:31.365 --> 02:29:32.526 They knew it would be useful. 02:29:33.723 --> 02:29:35.485 Steve doesn't seem to be aware of that. 02:29:36.186 --> 02:29:38.948 And Robert Malone threw dexamethasone out there right away. 02:29:39.529 --> 02:29:42.772 Dexamethasone, unlike remdesivir, has its uses. 02:29:43.793 --> 02:29:44.154 Wow. 02:29:45.051 --> 02:29:46.332 by an object you cannot see. 02:29:46.372 --> 02:30:03.471 Now my claim is going to be, and this is something I've spent decades thinking about and working on, is that there is an emergent kind of phenomenon that fits regulatory capture but doesn't have the components that you would expect to find necessarily when you go looking for it, right? 02:30:03.751 --> 02:30:04.752 So regulatory capture 02:30:05.052 --> 02:30:06.673 as a concept has to be broadened. 02:30:06.793 --> 02:30:18.141 In other words, an industry comes to generate levers that it uses to influence processes, it increases the power with which those levers work, and somehow we are seeing the symptoms of that disease. 02:30:18.462 --> 02:30:24.386 And it comes out, as you point out, in biases in journals and what the editors do want and don't want. 02:30:24.706 --> 02:30:29.690 It comes out in, frankly, in the social media environment where what we're allowed to talk about 02:30:30.450 --> 02:30:32.191 is being curtailed and the effect of that. 02:30:32.371 --> 02:30:34.592 It's somehow very organic, it's odd. 02:30:34.752 --> 02:30:39.314 How is it that JAMA only publishes a negative ivermectin study? 02:30:39.394 --> 02:30:40.715 It is an emergent phenomenon, I agree. 02:30:40.735 --> 02:30:41.715 It's an emergent phenomenon. 02:30:41.735 --> 02:30:50.099 And so that means that this is a wicked problem in the sense that when we are trying to grapple with what it is that's doing this, it is very tempting to imagine 02:30:50.399 --> 02:31:01.223 That there must have been a meeting in which people decide it was okay for tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, possibly millions to die needlessly, given a pandemic we might be able to end if we just simply decided to do it. 02:31:01.403 --> 02:31:02.923 But it doesn't have to have been a meeting. 02:31:03.003 --> 02:31:03.524 That's it. 02:31:03.664 --> 02:31:07.065 It can be a function of the underlying drivers. 02:31:07.365 --> 02:31:09.086 It can be a function of the underlying drivers. 02:31:09.106 --> 02:31:12.247 And if I can step into a murky realm here. 02:31:13.047 --> 02:31:15.168 But it could also be a meeting. 02:31:15.228 --> 02:31:16.388 It could also be a meeting. 02:31:16.428 --> 02:31:22.630 It could be like, if you looked at Tony Fauci's emails, like Chris Martinson has dissected those emails. 02:31:22.650 --> 02:31:23.431 Chris Martinson, oh my gosh. 02:31:23.451 --> 02:31:25.571 And there are redactions to that. 02:31:26.072 --> 02:31:28.553 They got Fauci's emails. 02:31:28.933 --> 02:31:30.993 And Chris analyzed the redactions. 02:31:31.193 --> 02:31:32.614 Here's the reasons for the redactions. 02:31:32.634 --> 02:31:33.774 So to your point, to the point. 02:31:33.794 --> 02:31:35.815 There is something going on here that people should be looking at. 02:31:35.835 --> 02:31:36.255 Beyond Chris. 02:31:36.295 --> 02:31:37.236 Okay, beyond Chris. 02:31:38.856 --> 02:31:46.462 I mean, there's three major publications of record in the United States, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, and The New York Times. 02:31:47.578 --> 02:32:00.949 Both the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal came out with the conclusion that a lot of those redactions may hide things that were intended to be hidden. 02:32:01.910 --> 02:32:02.791 We can't prove that. 02:32:04.612 --> 02:32:09.777 Chris Martinson is a guy on the internet who has a website called Peak Prosperity. 02:32:10.782 --> 02:32:31.688 Chris Martinson was on PBS NewsHour about seven years ago as a guy who was a very successful pharma executive who decided to sell all that lifetime of luxury and wealth away and give up the fat rides on private jets to become a sustainable living farmer. 02:32:33.243 --> 02:32:51.637 So he got a farm and he's got water and, you know, solar and he grows stuff and he advocates for sustainability because he saw in already seven years ago and was featured on PBS NewsHour as a guy who saw that we were going in the wrong direction. 02:32:52.935 --> 02:32:59.982 And now he's basically on YouTube giving a play by play of what's happening to try and make sure that you see the direction we're going. 02:33:00.022 --> 02:33:01.343 He's not resisting it. 02:33:02.083 --> 02:33:04.185 He's just pointing out the directions we're going. 02:33:05.066 --> 02:33:13.414 And at this time, he was a very outspoken critic of this email chain and what had been redacted and what wasn't redacted. 02:33:13.454 --> 02:33:14.575 Essentially the Scooby Doo. 02:33:16.636 --> 02:33:27.405 And a little interesting tidbit, when I was invited to be in a secret signal chat with Brett Weinstein, one of the members of that signal chat was Chris Martenson. 02:33:27.765 --> 02:33:29.086 They were rejected. 02:33:29.267 --> 02:33:31.288 Robert, they were rejected illegally. 02:33:31.549 --> 02:33:33.310 OK, but what is clear? 02:33:33.330 --> 02:33:38.034 We're going to table this for the moment, because I think the important thing is we've got anomalies. 02:33:38.394 --> 02:33:39.075 Was there a meeting? 02:33:39.575 --> 02:33:42.798 I'm betting if there was a meeting, journal editors weren't invited. 02:33:45.861 --> 02:33:51.586 There were meetings, no doubt, and I bet you, if you tuned in on those meetings, you wouldn't necessarily know what was up. 02:33:51.866 --> 02:34:03.397 As a matter of fact, I would imagine that every time a new pharmaceutical is being brought to market by a company, they have some sort of meeting in which they say, we have this very exciting new drug, it has this potential market. 02:34:06.624 --> 02:34:10.867 The Ice Age Farmer is still at TheIceAgeFarmer.com. 02:34:10.887 --> 02:34:11.748 You can still find him. 02:34:12.428 --> 02:34:13.129 He's still working. 02:34:24.637 --> 02:34:27.200 It would have to be used off-label and that can't possibly be safe. 02:34:27.220 --> 02:34:28.261 So this is what we're going to highlight. 02:34:28.281 --> 02:34:29.743 It's not safe to use a drug off-label. 02:34:29.883 --> 02:34:31.184 Something like that is going to happen. 02:34:31.405 --> 02:34:36.090 It's not going to sound like people being deaf to the idea that people are going to die by the thousands, right? 02:34:36.130 --> 02:34:37.351 It's going to sound like something else. 02:34:37.912 --> 02:34:40.295 And so, anyway, what we do know now 02:34:41.456 --> 02:34:43.557 And people have been on this apparently for months. 02:34:43.817 --> 02:34:56.927 I became aware of this yesterday, which is that Merck, which very conspicuously, another anomaly on the list, attacked the safety of its own drug, Ivermectin, even though they knew from four decades of work. 02:34:56.947 --> 02:34:58.128 One of the safest drugs on the planet. 02:34:59.609 --> 02:35:05.234 Vincent Ransom Yellow's wife worked for Merck for almost 20 years on the drug Ivermectin. 02:35:05.774 --> 02:35:08.056 Curious data point, just throw it out there. 02:35:08.920 --> 02:35:09.962 Right, so that was an anomaly. 02:35:10.022 --> 02:35:12.104 Why would Merck say that its own drug was unsafe? 02:35:12.845 --> 02:35:14.407 And citing no evidence. 02:35:15.148 --> 02:35:16.950 Well, there is no evidence. 02:35:17.291 --> 02:35:17.892 So why? 02:35:18.012 --> 02:35:22.137 Well, it turns out they have another drug headed rapidly for what? 02:35:22.257 --> 02:35:22.858 An EUA. 02:35:24.720 --> 02:35:26.021 What does the EUA require? 02:35:26.081 --> 02:35:33.606 It requires that there's no safe and effective therapy existing, because if there was, you wouldn't take the risk of fast-forwarding this process. 02:35:33.986 --> 02:35:37.248 And not only that, but they're also involved with Johnson & Johnson. 02:35:37.469 --> 02:35:40.150 They are a partner with Johnson & Johnson in producing their vaccines. 02:35:40.190 --> 02:35:42.272 So the point is, all right, we've got an anomaly. 02:35:42.332 --> 02:35:50.958 Why would Merck say things about its own drug that aren't true and that indicate that people should be afraid to apply it when the precautionary principle would actually suggest that they have to apply it? 02:35:50.978 --> 02:35:51.438 Oh, absolutely. 02:35:51.738 --> 02:36:00.444 Well, I don't know, it might have to do with the fact that their business, their portfolio of COVID therapies involves EUAs. 02:36:00.724 --> 02:36:12.232 So these days, there are really rigorous terms and conditions that have been propagated all throughout academic medicine regarding disclosure of conflict of interest. 02:36:13.613 --> 02:36:18.957 And this specific situation clearly meets those criteria. 02:36:19.659 --> 02:36:26.689 You mean they didn't say they were developing an alternative drug in the press release that they issued about ivermectin not working? 02:36:27.395 --> 02:36:27.715 Robert? 02:36:28.195 --> 02:36:47.605 So, all right, now let's just say... But look, I am sure that now that Tess Lowry's systematic review and meta-analysis, which is the highest level of evidence in evidence-based medicine, so once this is published, and this can be published either today or tomorrow... Now you're talking about her ivermectin. 02:36:47.645 --> 02:36:48.945 Her ivermectin, yes. 02:36:49.085 --> 02:36:51.607 Okay, so once this is published, I am sure 02:36:52.347 --> 02:37:07.568 that Gavi will stop running those anti-Ivermectin ads, that Google will refuse to run that, and that Google will change the YouTube policy and they will restore all those banned videos. 02:37:07.748 --> 02:37:08.928 This is the vaccine paper. 02:37:09.008 --> 02:37:10.909 So I don't have, unfortunately, I don't have test. 02:37:10.929 --> 02:37:12.289 Yes, no, no. 02:37:12.569 --> 02:37:13.490 But it will be published. 02:37:14.370 --> 02:37:16.470 It's supposed to be out either today or tomorrow. 02:37:16.711 --> 02:37:17.691 So this is the vaccine. 02:37:17.991 --> 02:37:24.773 And I've been watching the meta-analysis that is being done semi-independently of her. 02:37:26.393 --> 02:37:37.756 And I don't debate that the meta-analysis data for ivermectin, to my eye, is extremely encouraging. 02:37:37.956 --> 02:37:41.897 Okay, so let us collect our gains and move forward from here. 02:37:41.997 --> 02:37:47.898 What we have is data for ivermectin, to my eye, is extremely encouraging. 02:37:48.118 --> 02:37:55.241 Okay, so let us collect our data that the meta-analysis done semi-independently of her. 02:37:56.762 --> 02:38:08.128 And I don't debate that the meta-analysis data for ivermectin to my eye is extremely encouraging. 02:38:08.348 --> 02:38:14.431 Okay, so let us... So what a weird way to say that he thinks ivermectin works is that I don't debate 02:38:15.447 --> 02:38:19.114 that the data that I've seen with my own eyes is encouraging. 02:38:20.339 --> 02:38:23.081 Just listen, actively listen. 02:38:23.401 --> 02:38:25.642 Collect our gains and move forward from here. 02:38:25.762 --> 02:38:28.204 What we have is anomaly after anomaly. 02:38:28.364 --> 02:38:29.565 They all go in the same direction. 02:38:29.805 --> 02:38:32.507 We've got a plausible motive for distorting things. 02:38:32.947 --> 02:38:41.592 We've got the strong probability that they didn't decide to allow people to die by the thousands, and they didn't decide to inflict a dangerous pharmaceutical on people. 02:38:41.872 --> 02:38:47.336 That as the danger emerged, they took the standard action to be very, very skeptical of the danger. 02:38:47.436 --> 02:38:49.157 Wow, so they didn't do it on purpose. 02:38:51.133 --> 02:38:52.873 Obviously they didn't do it on purpose. 02:38:53.093 --> 02:38:55.774 Obviously they didn't give people a drug that would put them in danger. 02:38:55.974 --> 02:38:57.194 Obviously they didn't do that. 02:38:57.274 --> 02:38:58.315 What is happening here? 02:38:59.995 --> 02:39:05.596 Are we being actively told what happened by the moderator of this discussion? 02:39:07.076 --> 02:39:11.777 Are we being actively fed assumptions by the moderator of this discussion? 02:39:11.838 --> 02:39:13.658 Are we being led to the water here? 02:39:14.659 --> 02:39:16.220 I think we need to listen to this one again. 02:39:40.725 --> 02:39:49.934 You see, it has nothing to do with convincing people that there's a dangerous gain-of-function virus that's going to go around the world and can go around the world forever. 02:39:51.876 --> 02:39:53.578 It's to get products to market. 02:39:55.340 --> 02:39:59.024 We're being fooled because they wanted to get products to market. 02:39:59.845 --> 02:40:01.746 We're not being fooled about the virus. 02:40:01.867 --> 02:40:02.848 That would be crazy. 02:40:03.840 --> 02:40:18.212 probability that they didn't decide to allow people to die by the thousands and they didn't inside decide to inflict a dangerous pharmaceutical on people that as the danger emerged they took the standard action to be very very skeptical of the data of danger. 02:40:18.232 --> 02:40:24.857 I love I love your thinking that this is an emergent phenomena of the system that it exists and its intrinsic flaws. 02:40:26.319 --> 02:40:32.667 I love the fact that you are describing it as though we couldn't have avoided this because the system is screwed up. 02:40:32.808 --> 02:40:34.650 You know, it's racist and stuff. 02:40:36.012 --> 02:40:38.756 It doesn't support transgender as much as it should. 02:40:39.941 --> 02:40:43.165 And it doesn't regulate gain-of-function research like it should. 02:40:43.546 --> 02:40:46.609 It doesn't regulate the pharmaceutical industries like it should. 02:40:47.210 --> 02:40:50.574 Our very shitty system is the reason why this happened. 02:40:51.435 --> 02:40:55.320 The reason why a gain-of-function virus is cruising around the Earth. 02:40:56.041 --> 02:41:01.606 The reason why we had to make choices about what to bring out, nobody did anything bad. 02:41:02.166 --> 02:41:04.328 There was no bad intentions at all. 02:41:04.929 --> 02:41:10.534 It's just a flawed system that Robert Malone has been getting rich from for 20 years. 02:41:11.374 --> 02:41:14.837 As a broker of vaccine technologies between governments, 02:41:15.678 --> 02:41:27.020 and non-governmental organizations as a contractor and grant writer to the tune of over five billion dollars in his career according to his own words. 02:41:30.360 --> 02:41:39.602 He knows the ins and outs of what is being done to us and I believe with my heart of hearts that this is just damage control theater here. 02:41:40.922 --> 02:41:45.183 We were led to believe, we were fooled into believing that we were figuring it out 02:41:46.869 --> 02:41:53.672 that these guys were coming out, that these guys were leading the way, that these guys were speaking out and saying things that need to be said. 02:41:54.052 --> 02:41:55.573 So why do I need to say anything? 02:41:57.614 --> 02:42:02.016 Obviously, Robert Malone is like the best guy to speak out. 02:42:02.076 --> 02:42:03.977 So I don't need to say anything as a doctor. 02:42:04.297 --> 02:42:07.459 I'll just wait and see what happens from Robert Malone speaking out. 02:42:09.820 --> 02:42:14.302 And since everybody's seen the video, then everybody's seen Robert Malone speak out. 02:42:14.562 --> 02:42:16.123 So why would I need to do it? 02:42:17.714 --> 02:42:22.240 Why would I need to post on Facebook that this is ridiculous when Robert Malone's doing it? 02:42:23.342 --> 02:42:24.624 So everybody can see it. 02:42:24.944 --> 02:42:26.666 There's no reason for me to speak up. 02:42:27.628 --> 02:42:29.931 I'm just gonna wait and make sure everything will be fine. 02:42:30.632 --> 02:42:32.394 Obviously these guys are brilliant. 02:42:33.424 --> 02:42:36.867 These things extend, in my experience, they extend into all kinds of places. 02:42:36.907 --> 02:42:45.734 So you described that your contacts in the regulatory apparatus, in the FDA, I think you said, report that they're extremely busy and they're just under strain. 02:42:45.754 --> 02:42:47.896 But my guess is chronic condition, no? 02:42:48.096 --> 02:42:48.296 It is. 02:42:48.596 --> 02:42:56.462 So how do you end up with an FDA that chronically doesn't have enough people to deal with the data that comes in that might tell you that these things aren't safe? 02:42:56.482 --> 02:42:57.964 And what's worse is they want to accelerate 02:42:58.484 --> 02:43:21.592 the going from an EUA to approval they want to accelerate they're putting their their foot on the gas and they want to well then they want to vaccinate our kids they want to accelerate it at the same time so that's the am i wrong that's that's that's wrong phase four i'm happy that steve said that i'm happy that steve said that because that is the reason why i was sure this is wrong 02:43:23.803 --> 02:43:33.366 Because Fauci was talking about it, everybody was talking about it, that they're going to go down the age groups, they're going to get it to the college kids, then they're going to go for the children and get it on the childhood schedule. 02:43:33.966 --> 02:43:37.507 We said that before anybody else here at Gigome Biological. 02:43:39.107 --> 02:43:40.927 And Steve is saying it here right now. 02:43:41.488 --> 02:43:46.469 And Robert is biting his lips, got his hands all over his face. 02:43:50.199 --> 02:43:54.320 Body language experts, go ahead and chime in, because this is one revealing video. 02:43:54.781 --> 02:43:55.361 I'm going back. 02:43:55.381 --> 02:43:55.901 Phase four. 02:43:56.061 --> 02:43:59.682 Accelerate the going from an EUA to approval. 02:43:59.722 --> 02:44:00.703 They want to accelerate. 02:44:00.743 --> 02:44:06.465 They're putting their foot on the gas, and they want to vaccinate our kids. 02:44:06.605 --> 02:44:09.366 They want to accelerate it at the same time. 02:44:09.506 --> 02:44:10.586 Am I wrong? 02:44:10.826 --> 02:44:11.286 That's wrong. 02:44:11.326 --> 02:44:12.767 We are in phase four. 02:44:13.547 --> 02:44:15.328 of these drug trials. 02:44:15.568 --> 02:44:19.309 Phase four being you release it to the public and then you monitor what happened. 02:44:19.329 --> 02:44:24.311 You need to explain all those deaths before you go and get it approved. 02:44:24.551 --> 02:44:25.232 Yes, you're wrong. 02:44:25.592 --> 02:44:25.912 Oh, okay. 02:44:25.932 --> 02:44:27.733 He started ignoring Steve there. 02:44:27.753 --> 02:44:28.413 Did you see that? 02:44:29.033 --> 02:44:30.114 He let Steve go on. 02:44:30.134 --> 02:44:37.837 He touched, touched Brett on the arm and said, I'm going to, you know, signal that he was going to ignore Steve and talk through him. 02:44:37.877 --> 02:44:38.597 Watch carefully. 02:44:39.662 --> 02:44:43.046 for being, you release it to the public and then you monitor what happened. 02:44:43.106 --> 02:44:48.011 You need to explain all those deaths before you go and get it approved. 02:44:48.252 --> 02:44:48.492 Yes. 02:44:48.572 --> 02:44:52.076 You need to explain all those deaths before you go get it approved. 02:44:52.717 --> 02:44:54.859 And he's just going to talk right over that. 02:44:54.919 --> 02:45:00.065 That's the only, that's the only point that Steve's ever made that I think I still agree with. 02:45:03.137 --> 02:45:11.140 That it should never have been given to a single person under the age of 65 once we realized that those people above 65 were dying. 02:45:14.262 --> 02:45:18.683 It should have never been given to anyone under 50 once we realized that people above 50 were dying. 02:45:21.705 --> 02:45:26.867 It should have never been given to anybody that was in shape that had taken care of themselves or chose to say no. 02:45:31.044 --> 02:45:32.385 It should have never been coerced. 02:45:32.465 --> 02:45:35.568 It should have never been driven into workplaces. 02:45:37.250 --> 02:45:40.132 But of course, all around the world, they did it with healthcare workers. 02:45:41.834 --> 02:45:47.319 They put our nurses and our doctors and their reputations on the line with intense coercion. 02:45:49.605 --> 02:45:52.226 And you don't think for one second that this is coercion? 02:45:52.426 --> 02:45:59.947 Robert Malone and Brett Weinstein and Steve Kirsch talking about them being doubly vaccinated as a way of getting out of this? 02:46:00.307 --> 02:46:09.269 You don't think coercion is Jordan Peterson going on YouTube and saying, let's give them since months, take the shot and get this over with? 02:46:12.890 --> 02:46:15.130 Take the shot and get it over with. 02:46:15.190 --> 02:46:18.131 We're double vaccinated with Moderna, let them inject 02:46:19.091 --> 02:46:42.007 something into you because we say so because we had good intentions because nobody meant to hurt anybody they keep wavering they keep wavering because they're not holding their arms straight they're not holding their arms straight don't you see it 02:46:46.001 --> 02:46:46.401 You're wrong. 02:46:46.762 --> 02:46:47.182 Okay. 02:46:47.202 --> 02:46:47.443 Okay. 02:46:47.583 --> 02:46:48.023 Here's why. 02:46:48.043 --> 02:46:48.764 Okay. 02:46:49.545 --> 02:46:52.769 Phase four is what happens after market authorization. 02:46:53.240 --> 02:46:55.600 Oh, and we haven't got, so technically we're not in phase four. 02:46:55.740 --> 02:46:56.161 Absolutely not. 02:46:56.181 --> 02:46:56.321 Right? 02:46:56.781 --> 02:46:57.061 Okay. 02:46:57.121 --> 02:46:58.161 So here's the thing. 02:46:58.361 --> 02:46:59.701 We're still in phase three. 02:46:59.901 --> 02:47:03.002 These are still, this is bedrock to understanding the bioethics. 02:47:03.022 --> 02:47:03.582 This is phase three. 02:47:03.602 --> 02:47:05.462 These are still experimental products. 02:47:05.502 --> 02:47:06.602 This is phase three. 02:47:06.782 --> 02:47:07.603 That's why it's called. 02:47:07.623 --> 02:47:11.143 The emergency authorization did not require the collective. 02:47:11.163 --> 02:47:21.105 So if you want to understand the bioethics of it from Robert Malone's perspective, what he means by bioethics is what do they tell themselves to justify this is okay? 02:47:23.260 --> 02:47:26.802 What do they say in the secret meetings to justify that this is okay? 02:47:27.122 --> 02:47:32.704 If you want to understand the bedrock of the bioethics here, you have to understand the PrEP Act. 02:47:32.984 --> 02:47:35.226 You have to understand emergency countermeasures. 02:47:35.626 --> 02:47:40.348 You have to understand secret meetings where people tell people that pandemics are possible. 02:47:40.748 --> 02:47:51.333 You have to understand that these people were coerced, convinced over many years that this is a real danger and that we have real solutions in the pipeline for this real danger. 02:47:53.038 --> 02:48:12.171 And the guy who was in the solution pipeline for years involved in brokering these ideas and in governing these ideas, funding these ideas as a, as a member of these study sections, chairman of these study sections is Robert Malone. 02:48:12.191 --> 02:48:21.637 And he's got a lot of people believing that he's given up some career 02:48:23.217 --> 02:48:31.264 that he sacrificed everything in order to come out of retirement and speak on behalf of humanity. 02:48:31.484 --> 02:48:41.592 And I am finding that more and more dubious every day because the pins don't line up in a line like he wants them to. 02:48:42.453 --> 02:48:46.056 His behaviors don't line up in a line like he wants them to. 02:48:46.396 --> 02:48:49.939 His career doesn't line up in that line like he wants it to. 02:48:52.372 --> 02:48:55.195 He hasn't kept his arms straight, ladies and gentlemen. 02:48:55.235 --> 02:48:56.437 None of these men have. 02:49:00.902 --> 02:49:04.766 Of the requisite data to figure out whether or not it should go to phase four. 02:49:06.329 --> 02:49:11.453 um, the data that are being collected, you know, that's the, am I wrong? 02:49:11.473 --> 02:49:12.793 That's, that's, that's wrong. 02:49:12.954 --> 02:49:20.399 Phase four of these drug trials phase four being, you release it to the public and then you monitor what happened. 02:49:20.419 --> 02:49:25.402 You need to explain all those deaths before, before you go and get it approved. 02:49:25.642 --> 02:49:26.323 Yes, you're wrong. 02:49:26.663 --> 02:49:27.103 Okay. 02:49:27.123 --> 02:49:27.383 Okay. 02:49:27.503 --> 02:49:27.944 Here's why. 02:49:27.964 --> 02:49:28.704 Okay. 02:49:29.465 --> 02:49:32.687 Phase four is what happens after market authorization. 02:49:33.155 --> 02:49:35.516 Oh, and we haven't got, so technically we're not in phase four. 02:49:35.656 --> 02:49:36.076 Absolutely not. 02:49:36.096 --> 02:49:36.236 Right. 02:49:36.696 --> 02:49:36.976 Okay. 02:49:37.036 --> 02:49:38.076 So here's the thing. 02:49:38.276 --> 02:49:39.377 We're still in phase three. 02:49:39.417 --> 02:49:42.698 We're, these are still, this is bedrock to understanding the bioethics. 02:49:42.718 --> 02:49:43.418 This is phase three. 02:49:43.438 --> 02:49:45.358 These are still experimental products. 02:49:45.659 --> 02:49:48.999 Did Steve just laugh at him for saying that this is still phase three? 02:49:49.019 --> 02:49:51.300 I think he did. 02:49:51.820 --> 02:49:52.921 This is phase three. 02:49:53.101 --> 02:49:53.941 That's why it's called. 02:49:53.961 --> 02:50:01.763 The emergency authorization did not require the collection of the requisite data to figure out whether or not it should go to phase four. 02:50:04.644 --> 02:50:16.609 The data that are being collected are not being done in a rigorous fashion and basically my colleagues are telling me they're extremely frustrated because they can't make heads or tails out of the data. 02:50:16.949 --> 02:50:19.170 Not only that, they can't, they have not... 02:50:19.990 --> 02:50:25.773 The public doesn't know how many people have died from the vaccine. 02:50:25.893 --> 02:50:27.773 I want you to sketch the picture. 02:50:28.114 --> 02:50:32.135 Of course, we are obligated to err in the right direction. 02:50:32.175 --> 02:50:33.496 But what does this picture look like? 02:50:33.536 --> 02:50:37.398 How many people could you say we know have died and how many people might have died? 02:50:37.438 --> 02:50:40.419 And what does the distinction between those two numbers depend on? 02:50:41.079 --> 02:50:54.758 So in the VAERS database, which is voluntary, the US government commissioned a study to find out how much underreporting this is, and they estimate that it could be only 1% of the reports 02:50:57.461 --> 02:50:58.441 that are actually reported. 02:50:58.641 --> 02:51:04.904 That 99 out of 100 don't get reported, which means 5,000 reports translates into 500,000 deaths. 02:51:04.944 --> 02:51:06.404 And I don't think it's that high. 02:51:06.524 --> 02:51:06.724 Right. 02:51:07.024 --> 02:51:08.025 It's very unlikely to be that high. 02:51:08.045 --> 02:51:15.167 It's unlikely that, you know, because, right, you know, there are mortuaries would be, you know, overrun with, you know, With vaccine deaths. 02:51:15.287 --> 02:51:15.487 Okay. 02:51:15.567 --> 02:51:18.888 So what, it's not that high, but, but it's higher. 02:51:19.329 --> 02:51:21.689 It's, I guarantee you, it's higher. 02:51:22.150 --> 02:51:25.651 The mortuaries would be overrun with vaccine deaths. 02:51:26.411 --> 02:51:27.352 says Robert Malone. 02:51:28.132 --> 02:51:45.844 But of course, since no effort is being made to differentiate between vaccine deaths and COVID deaths, and oftentimes they're called COVID deaths because John Baldwin has shown us that they were doing that all the time, calling vaccinated deaths COVID deaths in Massachusetts and elsewhere. 02:51:47.606 --> 02:51:49.287 Again, we're not getting the picture here. 02:51:49.607 --> 02:51:51.588 They're not teaching us the picture here. 02:51:52.189 --> 02:51:53.470 This is obfuscation. 02:51:54.346 --> 02:51:55.467 This is confusion. 02:51:55.847 --> 02:51:57.008 This is frustration. 02:51:57.068 --> 02:51:58.349 This is incongruency. 02:51:58.870 --> 02:52:00.711 This is sowing fear and doubt. 02:52:07.337 --> 02:52:13.021 The all cause mortality was up above normal in June of 2021 and not because of COVID. 02:52:16.564 --> 02:52:17.425 And these guys know it. 02:52:18.522 --> 02:52:24.965 The 5,000 that we know about, there are going to be a few of those that are actually just sampling error. 02:52:25.365 --> 02:52:28.767 And then there's going to be the great majority of them which are connected to the vaccine. 02:52:28.787 --> 02:52:30.568 But none of them have been explained. 02:52:30.788 --> 02:52:30.928 Right. 02:52:30.968 --> 02:52:32.869 But none of them has been investigated. 02:52:32.909 --> 02:52:40.233 We are all old enough to have lived through the period in which every single person on earth knew that cigarettes caused cancer. 02:52:40.313 --> 02:52:45.735 But we were fighting in court about whether or not you could prove it, because no individual death could be established on that basis. 02:52:45.795 --> 02:52:46.876 It took a long time. 02:52:47.156 --> 02:52:55.180 to get to the point where what we all knew about the population level meant anything about what happened to the individual who died of lung cancer after a lifetime of smoking, right? 02:52:55.481 --> 02:53:06.747 I think the point that I'm trying to make here, if anybody has any questions about it, is that right now, the definitive leader of the dissident movement is Robert Malone. 02:53:07.627 --> 02:53:14.331 The definitive authority on what we should be thinking of as the biology of this pandemic is Robert Malone. 02:53:15.367 --> 02:53:18.250 The person that people are rallying around is Robert Malone. 02:53:18.791 --> 02:53:20.973 The person that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 02:53:21.033 --> 02:53:23.475 talks to about this is Robert Malone. 02:53:25.197 --> 02:53:28.260 People have been bamboozled by Robert Malone. 02:53:29.482 --> 02:53:31.023 That's what I kind of think now. 02:53:31.837 --> 02:53:38.720 because his track record and his career suggests that he's not doing what he says he's doing. 02:53:39.261 --> 02:53:56.789 His performance here on the Dark Horse Podcast is worth watching because if you watch it, he says the vaccine works, it's great, this technology is wonderful, it saved a lot of people, but the spike protein is toxic and so it might have hurt people too. 02:53:57.389 --> 02:54:03.433 But we made a judgment call, people made a judgment call, this is where we are, now we have to deal with it. 02:54:07.075 --> 02:54:09.316 And he's six months too late to save anybody. 02:54:11.157 --> 02:54:13.339 And he's still not advocating for it to stop. 02:54:14.259 --> 02:54:18.542 He still hasn't said in the first hour that we shouldn't give it to healthy adults. 02:54:19.502 --> 02:54:20.944 He hasn't been explicit. 02:54:21.124 --> 02:54:34.523 In fact, they started this whole podcast by telling people that the reason why we're able to unmask is because Brett uses ivermectin as a prophylactic and the other two of us are fully vaccinated with Moderna. 02:54:34.903 --> 02:54:36.526 That's why we're watching this again. 02:54:37.674 --> 02:54:50.998 because these people are responsible for laying down the narrative, for laying down the Scooby-Doo, for fooling us into using this transfection technology, and they are continuing to claim that they didn't. 02:54:52.579 --> 02:54:55.359 Robert Malone is pretending like he tried to save us. 02:54:55.660 --> 02:54:56.240 He didn't. 02:54:57.800 --> 02:55:01.341 Here's where he came out in June of 2021, and he's not telling us to stop. 02:55:07.332 --> 02:55:08.973 He's not talking about zinc. 02:55:08.993 --> 02:55:10.575 He's not talking about coseratin. 02:55:10.595 --> 02:55:12.476 He's not talking about hydroxychloroquine. 02:55:12.817 --> 02:55:15.079 He's not talking about a basic immunology. 02:55:15.639 --> 02:55:17.781 He's not telling you about T cell immunity. 02:55:18.181 --> 02:55:25.688 He's not telling you about the homology between the RNA dependent RNA polymerase and the end protein of previous coronaviruses. 02:55:25.748 --> 02:55:32.894 And this one, he's not talking at all about the fact that the PCR test can't possibly be as specific as they say it is. 02:55:34.246 --> 02:55:43.023 He's not talking about the fact that they're, they're, they're disingenuously representing a casedemic with the, they haven't said that once, not once. 02:55:52.645 --> 02:55:53.526 So we are there. 02:55:53.606 --> 02:56:02.296 We are playing games with what's obvious from the data and what can be denied on the basis of fancy arguments and statistics that most people don't understand. 02:56:02.336 --> 02:56:03.597 It's hard to deny this. 02:56:03.617 --> 02:56:04.218 Yeah, it is. 02:56:04.378 --> 02:56:09.684 And I think this is a great opportunity to segue to this compilation from the UK. 02:56:10.485 --> 02:56:10.645 Yep. 02:56:11.045 --> 02:56:18.749 Of adverse events that's been done in a responsible, rigorous fashion by a meticulous researcher that's well-respected. 02:56:18.769 --> 02:56:19.829 You're talking about the Teslauri. 02:56:19.869 --> 02:56:22.010 Teslauri in the UK. 02:56:22.070 --> 02:56:25.052 You want to see... Who, by the way, is not being funded by anyone. 02:56:25.532 --> 02:56:27.694 You know, she is like doing this on her own nickel. 02:56:28.234 --> 02:56:32.538 Nobody has been willing to... That's another can of worms. 02:56:33.478 --> 02:56:36.641 But the point is that she's got no conflict of interest here. 02:56:36.741 --> 02:56:39.243 She's been the champion of ivermectin. 02:56:39.623 --> 02:56:45.147 And then she looked at what was happening in the UK database, and you're seeing the same thing as in VAERS. 02:56:45.248 --> 02:56:46.569 So let's look at the data. 02:56:46.589 --> 02:56:48.550 Yeah, let's look at it. 02:56:48.570 --> 02:56:50.332 Let's look at the data. 02:56:50.392 --> 02:56:51.552 Steve, can you tee this up? 02:56:52.293 --> 02:56:53.216 Give us some context. 02:56:53.939 --> 02:56:55.423 What is the source of this data? 02:56:55.905 --> 02:56:56.788 Tee this up. 02:56:56.908 --> 02:56:58.573 Steve, can you tee this up? 02:56:59.718 --> 02:57:00.858 Now they're very rehearsed. 02:57:01.699 --> 02:57:02.299 What are these data? 02:57:02.399 --> 02:57:07.260 So this is, if you go to the first page, they have a yellow tag system in Britain. 02:57:07.660 --> 02:57:08.200 Which means? 02:57:08.600 --> 02:57:13.062 It is Britain's version of the VAERS system in the US. 02:57:13.322 --> 02:57:25.025 So it's a voluntary reporting system where, and in Britain, they have three vaccines, primarily the AstraZeneca vaccine, the Pfizer vaccine, and the Moderna vaccine. 02:57:25.605 --> 02:57:28.486 So the first time he's nodding, you see that? 02:57:29.947 --> 02:57:33.308 It is Britain's version of the Vera system in the US. 02:57:33.569 --> 02:57:35.509 So it's a voluntary reporting system. 02:57:35.789 --> 02:57:37.390 So look, he cued him up. 02:57:37.430 --> 02:57:38.311 He cued him up. 02:57:38.371 --> 02:57:42.232 And then he nods for the first time. 02:57:42.492 --> 02:57:43.313 Let's look at the data. 02:57:43.333 --> 02:57:44.253 Yeah, let's look at it. 02:57:44.273 --> 02:57:45.454 Let's look at the data. 02:57:45.734 --> 02:57:48.195 So this, can you, Steve, can you tee this up? 02:57:48.835 --> 02:57:50.356 Give us some context. 02:57:50.596 --> 02:57:52.077 What is the source of this data? 02:57:52.197 --> 02:57:52.857 What are these data? 02:57:52.957 --> 02:57:53.538 Watch him nod. 02:57:53.558 --> 02:57:57.820 So this is, if you go to the first page, they have a yellow tag system in Britain. 02:57:58.240 --> 02:57:58.781 Which means? 02:57:59.581 --> 02:58:00.162 Which means? 02:58:00.242 --> 02:58:01.682 It is Britain's version. 02:58:02.083 --> 02:58:04.624 How come he didn't act like that any other part? 02:58:06.185 --> 02:58:09.827 Which means he's never done that through this whole thing. 02:58:09.867 --> 02:58:12.809 He's never interrupted anybody, but now he's leading Steve. 02:58:13.985 --> 02:58:15.605 of the VAERS system in the U.S. 02:58:15.865 --> 02:58:27.588 So it's a voluntary reporting system where, and in Britain we have three vaccines primarily, the AstraZeneca vaccine, the Pfizer vaccine, and the Moderna vaccine. 02:58:27.948 --> 02:58:31.088 So the AstraZeneca is an adenovirus DNA vaccine? 02:58:31.248 --> 02:58:31.888 Right, correct. 02:58:31.949 --> 02:58:34.109 So all three vaccines in the U.K. 02:58:34.289 --> 02:58:38.770 are based on gene therapy technology and are producing 02:58:40.050 --> 02:58:45.155 So right now he seems to say that all gene therapy is bad, but I wasn't gonna do gene therapy I was gonna do 02:58:46.135 --> 02:58:49.136 you know, DNA in a, in a, in a electro parading gun. 02:58:49.496 --> 02:58:51.417 Spike protein in cells. 02:58:51.677 --> 02:58:51.897 Right. 02:58:52.017 --> 02:59:04.343 The genes have been introduced to, they've either been introduced in the form of the DNA of an adenovirus of cold virus that we all get, or in the form of an RNA that's artificially inserted and artificially synthesized. 02:59:04.383 --> 02:59:05.463 So forgive my ignorance here. 02:59:05.943 --> 02:59:10.005 In the case of the DNA vaccines, the DNA is integrated into the nuclear genome or not? 02:59:10.325 --> 02:59:10.605 Not. 02:59:10.645 --> 02:59:10.765 Not. 02:59:10.785 --> 02:59:11.745 That's what I thought. 02:59:11.825 --> 02:59:15.146 It sort of stays on top. 02:59:15.426 --> 02:59:17.926 It's attached. 02:59:18.146 --> 02:59:19.827 Yeah, it's epigenetic. 02:59:20.367 --> 02:59:24.327 You can think of it as a small circular extra chromosome. 02:59:24.347 --> 02:59:26.528 It's like a plasmid that has gotten in there. 02:59:26.548 --> 02:59:27.508 For mammalian cells. 02:59:27.748 --> 02:59:37.270 So I always worry when people say gene therapy technology that they are painting a picture that actually isn't quite right here, even though that's technically accurate, I assume, because you're using the term. 02:59:39.090 --> 02:59:40.152 I don't know how else to say it. 02:59:40.452 --> 02:59:43.156 You could call it transfection and transformation. 02:59:43.196 --> 02:59:47.442 If you use DNA to express proteins, it's called transformation. 02:59:48.504 --> 02:59:53.832 And so the adenovirus vectors were transformation vectors, transformation methodologies. 02:59:54.927 --> 02:59:59.693 And if you use mRNA to express a protein, that's called transfection. 02:59:59.753 --> 03:00:01.956 That's how, that's how you call it. 03:00:02.377 --> 03:00:03.879 That's the term that you use. 03:00:04.539 --> 03:00:06.342 That's the term we've used for 20 years. 03:00:07.023 --> 03:00:11.128 And at least the dude in the white shirt knows that beyond a shadow of a doubt. 03:00:13.983 --> 03:00:21.165 The guy that founded Crucell was the senior postdoc in the gene therapy lab that I worked at at the Salk, Dinko Valerio. 03:00:21.865 --> 03:00:29.707 And he came to me once, a few years after Crucell had been founded, which was a gene therapy company based on adenoviral vectors. 03:00:30.388 --> 03:00:31.868 And he said to me, Robert, you're right. 03:00:32.813 --> 03:00:34.434 We should use this for vaccines. 03:00:36.415 --> 03:00:41.337 And he pivoted Crucell to being a vaccine company, and the rest is history. 03:00:41.377 --> 03:00:45.659 It was bought by J&J, and that is the basis for the J&J technology. 03:00:45.759 --> 03:00:51.762 It is explicitly a retooled gene therapy method applied to vaccines. 03:00:52.223 --> 03:00:52.623 Full stop. 03:00:53.223 --> 03:00:57.527 Okay, so you were telling us about what we've got here. 03:00:57.747 --> 03:00:59.348 I do want to correct one thing. 03:00:59.368 --> 03:01:00.689 It just came out this morning. 03:01:00.929 --> 03:01:03.451 I just got it this morning at like 5 a.m. 03:01:03.531 --> 03:01:04.272 So let me pause you. 03:01:05.093 --> 03:01:13.539 In your piece, I believe it is not, you have to do some work to realize that the number of deaths that we're talking about, that 5,000 number, that's U.S. 03:01:14.700 --> 03:01:15.441 That's US only. 03:01:15.501 --> 03:01:16.201 Oh yeah, yeah, no. 03:01:16.282 --> 03:01:19.104 In Europe, it's like over 12,000. 03:01:19.725 --> 03:01:22.107 It's the self-reported deaths. 03:01:22.287 --> 03:01:23.328 Yeah, self-reported deaths. 03:01:23.388 --> 03:01:24.309 Self-reported deaths. 03:01:24.329 --> 03:01:26.551 So it's probably a lower bound on that number. 03:01:26.571 --> 03:01:26.951 Yeah. 03:01:26.971 --> 03:01:31.134 If you think through, Mary has died after getting a vaccine. 03:01:31.895 --> 03:01:36.399 and you're the relatives of Mary, and you're dealing with a whole bunch of stuff. 03:01:36.919 --> 03:01:45.005 Okay, the probability that you're going to say to yourself, self, I need to log on to a website. 03:01:45.205 --> 03:01:50.349 So my point is only, it's understandable, but this is the problem with self-reported databases. 03:01:50.409 --> 03:01:50.890 Right. 03:01:51.450 --> 03:01:52.030 It's a bias. 03:01:52.170 --> 03:01:55.073 It's a bias in a direction we can infer. 03:01:55.133 --> 03:01:55.573 Well known. 03:02:01.269 --> 03:02:02.330 So is that a problem? 03:02:03.611 --> 03:02:05.613 Is Malone saying, well, that sucks. 03:02:05.653 --> 03:02:06.834 That's just the way it is. 03:02:08.535 --> 03:02:13.320 Is he, is he admitting that all that means that other vaccines could also have a problem? 03:02:15.161 --> 03:02:26.151 See, that's what Steve never really seems to get is that he uses this metric from this Harvard paper to say that there are 40 times as many 03:02:28.487 --> 03:02:32.750 injuries from the vax because the Harvard study showed that they're mostly underreported. 03:02:35.212 --> 03:02:43.138 But then now we show this number and we pretend that the previous numbers are okay and that this number is really high now and it's even higher. 03:02:45.599 --> 03:02:54.706 So why doesn't Steve apply that correction across the whole graph so that we can see that the vaccine schedule has always been underplayed 03:02:55.936 --> 03:03:08.545 And that we can see that in addition to that underplaying the injuries caused by the normal vaccine schedule by 40 times, which is what that paper showed, that we're also having an underreporting now. 03:03:09.066 --> 03:03:18.072 So while they talk about it as if, yeah, but nobody ever reports the injury to Mary if she gets injured, because nobody thinks that the vaccines do anything wrong. 03:03:18.112 --> 03:03:19.514 And that's always the way it's been. 03:03:20.414 --> 03:03:24.197 That's just the downside of self-reporting systems. 03:03:24.317 --> 03:03:25.278 Wah, wah. 03:03:28.806 --> 03:03:37.198 And so they're actually talking around the fact that what they're saying obviously means that the childhood vaccination schedule needs revisiting. 03:03:37.238 --> 03:03:39.521 But of course, they're not going to say that. 03:03:40.202 --> 03:03:44.689 They want you to think that it's isolated to this particular vaccine. 03:03:46.854 --> 03:03:50.236 But the underreporting applies to the previous vaccines, guys. 03:03:50.256 --> 03:03:54.299 I want to say that number, 5,000, is a very frightening number. 03:03:54.639 --> 03:04:00.744 It's an especially frightening number in comparison to the US population, when we basically have to extrapolate out. 03:04:01.024 --> 03:04:05.687 And the data from Israel, from Europe, seems to reflect the same pattern. 03:04:05.747 --> 03:04:09.150 It's the subset of the US population that's accepted vaccine. 03:04:10.070 --> 03:04:10.731 So it's not the whole U.S. 03:04:10.751 --> 03:04:10.992 population. 03:04:11.092 --> 03:04:11.833 Right, right, right, right. 03:04:11.913 --> 03:04:12.214 True. 03:04:12.434 --> 03:04:13.676 It's a much smaller number. 03:04:13.736 --> 03:04:14.898 Right, 130 some odd. 03:04:15.539 --> 03:04:20.887 But the other thing is, look, I mean, I contacted the FDA when I saw this and I said, so what do you think? 03:04:20.907 --> 03:04:24.933 They said, oh, you should contact a specialist who understands the VAERS data. 03:04:25.273 --> 03:04:27.514 And I said, you know, I thought I understood it pretty well. 03:04:27.554 --> 03:04:43.199 I did an analysis on trial site news where I show, there's a video on trial site news where I do some analysis and it shows, oh, this is like at least a hundred times worse than the flu virus in terms of the death. 03:04:45.600 --> 03:04:47.421 the flu vaccine in terms of deaths. 03:04:47.801 --> 03:04:55.566 And I argue actually that it's like a thousand times more than the flu vaccine in the paper. 03:04:55.646 --> 03:05:00.249 And so that's kind of a straightforward, unadjusted analysis. 03:05:00.269 --> 03:05:01.589 Can I transition to what we're looking at here? 03:05:01.649 --> 03:05:02.490 No, no, let me finish. 03:05:06.272 --> 03:05:08.393 because the FDA told me to go to an expert. 03:05:08.834 --> 03:05:22.782 So I contacted the open VAERS people who are looking at this data, and I said, so it says 5,000, what do you guys think based on, you've been doing this for years, what do you think the true number is? 03:05:23.663 --> 03:05:30.327 And they told me that, of course, nobody really knows, but based on their analysis, they put it around 20,000 deaths. 03:05:32.569 --> 03:05:35.072 that are, you know, for the real numbers. 03:05:35.092 --> 03:05:37.074 So that's just their opinion. 03:05:37.935 --> 03:05:40.438 But can we segue to this? 03:05:40.498 --> 03:05:40.999 Am I right? 03:05:41.159 --> 03:05:41.420 Hang on. 03:05:41.880 --> 03:05:45.505 Am I right that even at the lower bound number, 03:05:46.101 --> 03:05:47.882 5,000. 03:05:46.281 --> 03:05:47.882 It's a stopping condition. 03:05:48.162 --> 03:06:03.529 Well, not only is it a stopping condition, but I mean, you tell me if I've got the statistic that you reported incorrect, but I believe what you say is that that number is more deaths than for all 70 other vaccines combined over the last 30 years. 03:06:03.549 --> 03:06:03.649 Right. 03:06:04.089 --> 03:06:05.210 So that tells you something. 03:06:05.310 --> 03:06:15.879 Yeah, and also the adverse effects, if you look at those, it's not just the deaths that are... So now let's look at the adverse effects. 03:06:16.279 --> 03:06:16.520 No, wait! 03:06:17.741 --> 03:06:19.402 Please, let me finish, okay? 03:06:19.422 --> 03:06:20.043 Stop interrupting. 03:06:21.303 --> 03:06:22.223 All right, we're good. 03:06:22.263 --> 03:06:22.764 OK, good. 03:06:23.084 --> 03:06:25.004 So there are two aspects. 03:06:25.604 --> 03:06:31.726 That if you look at this vaccine in terms of deaths, it's more than all the other ones. 03:06:32.066 --> 03:06:42.068 If you look at it in terms of adverse events reported, it's also more than all the other vaccines over 30 years combined. 03:06:42.468 --> 03:06:45.709 So if it's not, I'm OK. 03:06:45.749 --> 03:06:47.389 Look, if it's not, if it's, you know. 03:06:47.989 --> 03:06:49.450 Steve is actually. 03:06:50.450 --> 03:07:01.559 off the hook right here and I see him as yet unread in he just hasn't been completely clued in to what the objective is here 03:07:02.461 --> 03:07:05.883 And he still thinks that he is spreading information to save people. 03:07:06.323 --> 03:07:07.824 It's really cute, actually. 03:07:08.265 --> 03:07:22.193 We have a hypothesis that because this toxic spike protein breaks off and goes into your brain and heart and all over and causes these weird stuff, that's totally consistent with what we're observing. 03:07:22.673 --> 03:07:24.975 And if somebody has a better hypothesis 03:07:25.675 --> 03:07:27.416 in terms of what is causing this. 03:07:28.077 --> 03:07:33.000 It's in the water, it's in the drinking supply, you know, whatever, whatever it is, let's hear it. 03:07:33.060 --> 03:07:35.842 What would the dimension of the thing that explains it have to be? 03:07:35.862 --> 03:07:40.085 It would have to be something like someone put this in the data, right? 03:07:40.245 --> 03:07:43.167 Which would then not explain all of the people that we run into. 03:07:43.267 --> 03:07:49.351 Yeah, somebody over-reported, somebody's gaming the Vera system, for example, but that's a federal crime. 03:07:49.431 --> 03:07:55.555 Not only is it a federal crime, but the fact is the anecdotal stuff that we can all detect by asking people 03:07:55.615 --> 03:07:56.376 confirms it. 03:07:56.556 --> 03:07:58.597 It says actually there's a real pattern. 03:07:58.657 --> 03:07:59.278 And guess what? 03:07:59.818 --> 03:08:02.881 The exact same pattern exists in the UK. 03:08:02.921 --> 03:08:08.265 So when I got this report, and you look through it, look at all the symptoms here. 03:08:08.345 --> 03:08:10.927 Look at all the deaths in each of these categories. 03:08:11.167 --> 03:08:12.908 And look at the breadth of this. 03:08:13.048 --> 03:08:14.109 And it's two pages. 03:08:14.189 --> 03:08:16.030 So this is the first page. 03:08:16.070 --> 03:08:22.535 This is just the- This is bleeding, clotting, and ischemic adverse drug reactions up to the 26th of May. 03:08:23.516 --> 03:08:23.736 Right. 03:08:23.836 --> 03:08:30.281 And then the next page, and look at all these disorders that happen, and then it's now an immune system. 03:08:30.301 --> 03:08:31.542 Immune system, adverse drug reaction. 03:08:31.562 --> 03:08:33.524 We haven't even gotten to ADE and all the other things. 03:08:33.544 --> 03:08:34.545 Steve, can I ask a question? 03:08:34.765 --> 03:08:40.309 Because many of these adverse events were already known with the recombinant adenovirus vectors. 03:08:41.950 --> 03:08:42.811 It's already been 03:08:44.552 --> 03:08:46.513 These were expected before? 03:08:46.573 --> 03:08:49.794 No, it's particularly the clotting disorders. 03:08:50.595 --> 03:08:53.316 We've known for quite a while that they were associated. 03:08:53.336 --> 03:08:55.116 That's why the J&J vaccine was stopped. 03:08:55.137 --> 03:09:00.359 When you say quite a while, you mean since the release of these vaccines into the human population. 03:09:00.419 --> 03:09:01.799 Yeah, like a couple months ago. 03:09:02.279 --> 03:09:03.200 Remember, we had a pause. 03:09:04.761 --> 03:09:07.382 And why was it detected in the phase 3 studies? 03:09:08.563 --> 03:09:10.544 Phase 3 studies are supposed to be perfect. 03:09:10.584 --> 03:09:12.925 You talk to an academic, they always tell you phase 3. 03:09:13.045 --> 03:09:14.266 I'm going somewhere with this. 03:09:15.967 --> 03:09:26.914 Steve, can you tell me this aggregated adverse event log that Tess has provided, is this in the UK based on the yellow cards? 03:09:27.754 --> 03:09:27.974 Okay. 03:09:28.835 --> 03:09:30.576 Is this for all three vaccines? 03:09:31.016 --> 03:09:31.396 Yes. 03:09:32.116 --> 03:09:33.037 It's a yellow card system. 03:09:33.377 --> 03:09:34.878 It's all aggregated. 03:09:34.918 --> 03:09:43.142 So what that means is we need to be a little cautious because we don't know which of those three vaccines of which represents two different technologies. 03:09:43.222 --> 03:09:43.422 Right. 03:09:43.482 --> 03:09:45.383 She doesn't have a breakdown. 03:09:45.803 --> 03:09:48.425 And my point is that we already knew 03:09:49.511 --> 03:09:55.236 that the advectors were associated with the coagulopathies, the clotting disorders that were in table one. 03:09:56.217 --> 03:09:58.099 Holy cow, so here he's saying it. 03:09:58.539 --> 03:10:00.601 This was a narrative that's been busted, of course. 03:10:02.323 --> 03:10:07.007 But as you're well aware, they pulled the J&J shot because some people had some clotting. 03:10:08.449 --> 03:10:14.854 And so that was their attempt at showing you that if something went wrong, they would definitely pull the shot. 03:10:15.765 --> 03:10:29.736 And so if they, of course, pulled the adenovirus vector, which curiously is the one that Robert is pointing out is associated with the coagulopathies, not the mRNA, where now we know the mRNA and the transfections will do that too, of course. 03:10:31.758 --> 03:10:33.960 Extremely telling. 03:10:35.080 --> 03:10:35.661 this video. 03:10:36.061 --> 03:10:47.751 So, so look, but, but we should scroll down to the, her conclusion of this, which says, okay, and she should go and, you know, she put this together and got it out quickly. 03:10:47.771 --> 03:10:59.722 It says the MHRA now has more than enough evidence on the yellow card system to declare the COVID-19 vaccines unsafe for use in humans, period, full stop. 03:11:00.649 --> 03:11:21.136 Preparation should now be made to scale up humanitarian efforts to assist those harmed by the COVID-19 vaccines and to anticipate and ameliorate... Remember, at the same time, Jill Malone is writing a Facebook post that says that these vaccines, the technology of her husband, have saved the world. 03:11:23.776 --> 03:11:25.397 They're working as expected. 03:11:27.009 --> 03:11:34.114 And his unappreciated contribution to saving the world is going unnoticed, and I'm mad about it, says Jill. 03:11:42.855 --> 03:11:45.957 He specializes in long-haul COVID, so when you've had the original thing. 03:11:46.277 --> 03:11:53.361 Well, now he's getting patients who are coming to him with, I never had COVID, but I had the vaccine. 03:11:54.102 --> 03:12:02.166 And those patients come to him, and in every single case, he looks at the blood work and he says, your blood work is abnormal. 03:12:02.246 --> 03:12:05.168 Your blood work looks like a long-haul COVID. 03:12:06.309 --> 03:12:07.952 it kind of, it's different, right? 03:12:07.992 --> 03:12:10.938 Because the vaccine, you get it, it goes all over you. 03:12:10.998 --> 03:12:12.280 Your blood work is abnormal. 03:12:12.380 --> 03:12:15.305 Your blood work looks like a long haul COVID. 03:12:16.431 --> 03:12:18.112 it kind of, it's different, right? 03:12:18.152 --> 03:12:25.337 Because the vaccine, you get it, it goes all over your, through your body, like, you know, in 15 minutes, it's like everywhere. 03:12:25.757 --> 03:12:29.159 Whereas you get it naturally, it has a different pathway. 03:12:29.520 --> 03:12:31.901 And so the blood work looks different. 03:12:32.081 --> 03:12:38.686 But the point is that it shows up on his biomarkers as, you've got long haul vaccine. 03:12:39.966 --> 03:12:52.715 Well, I think it is becoming clear to clinicians that long-haul COVID and post-vaccine syndrome are closely related because the spike protein is shared between all of these. 03:12:53.075 --> 03:12:57.698 I would call that a valid working hypothesis. 03:12:57.718 --> 03:13:05.343 There's the valid working hypothesis that long COVID is the spike, vaccine injury is the spike, and COVID is the spike. 03:13:05.744 --> 03:13:06.264 You see it? 03:13:06.784 --> 03:13:07.505 Do you see it? 03:13:07.945 --> 03:13:09.046 This is the illusion. 03:13:09.966 --> 03:13:16.250 This is the illusion that lots and lots and lots and lots of people that you follow have been pushing. 03:13:17.811 --> 03:13:18.792 That it's the spike. 03:13:18.852 --> 03:13:20.673 The spike is a gain-of-function protein. 03:13:20.713 --> 03:13:22.374 The spike is cytotoxic. 03:13:22.774 --> 03:13:26.117 The spike is an amyloid-generating protein. 03:13:26.157 --> 03:13:28.558 A spike is a pre-antigenic protein. 03:13:29.759 --> 03:13:32.100 And the bioweapon is the spike. 03:13:32.441 --> 03:13:33.621 The spike is in COVID. 03:13:33.881 --> 03:13:35.042 The spike is in the shot. 03:13:35.442 --> 03:13:36.883 The spike, the spike, the spike. 03:13:36.903 --> 03:13:37.604 Do you see it now? 03:13:39.232 --> 03:13:43.019 And these guys are right on point, right on narrative, right? 03:13:43.240 --> 03:13:44.542 It's not the RNA. 03:13:45.263 --> 03:13:46.586 It's not the adenovirus. 03:13:46.646 --> 03:13:48.028 It's not the gene therapy. 03:13:48.469 --> 03:13:49.191 It's the spike. 03:13:53.251 --> 03:13:53.971 association. 03:13:54.171 --> 03:13:54.331 Right. 03:13:54.431 --> 03:13:56.372 And nobody, nobody is even looking at this. 03:13:56.552 --> 03:13:57.913 I mean, that's the sad thing. 03:13:57.933 --> 03:13:59.753 So that's, that's as a professional. 03:14:00.013 --> 03:14:00.333 Okay. 03:14:00.393 --> 03:14:05.055 So we're looking at all this as a professional professional, nobody has looked at this for me. 03:14:05.615 --> 03:14:09.617 The thing that's alarming is that there's no alarm, right? 03:14:09.637 --> 03:14:11.497 Oh yes. 03:14:11.997 --> 03:14:12.478 Exactly. 03:14:12.698 --> 03:14:14.278 Like why aren't alarm bells going off? 03:14:14.298 --> 03:14:14.278 5,000. 03:14:14.318 --> 03:14:14.938 That's the sad thing. 03:14:14.978 --> 03:14:17.279 Have you ever heard Robert Malone laugh? 03:14:23.582 --> 03:14:32.865 Okay, so we're looking at all this Professional nobody has looked at this for for me the thing that's alarming is That there's no alarm 03:14:33.430 --> 03:14:33.650 Right. 03:14:33.830 --> 03:14:34.371 Oh, yes. 03:14:36.012 --> 03:14:36.492 Exactly. 03:14:36.912 --> 03:14:38.654 Why aren't alarm bells going off? 03:14:38.674 --> 03:14:41.075 5,000 excess deaths. 03:14:41.575 --> 03:14:42.296 That's my point. 03:14:42.316 --> 03:14:49.761 Why is nobody saying, why is nobody in academia, why is no dean of a med school saying something? 03:14:50.161 --> 03:14:51.362 They're all silent. 03:14:51.422 --> 03:14:52.603 Look, they don't even know. 03:14:52.963 --> 03:14:57.106 The reason is they don't even look at the VAERS system. 03:14:57.446 --> 03:15:03.250 They don't even know is a really nice excuse and out to give everyone who didn't hold their arms 03:15:03.370 --> 03:15:11.415 They didn't know is a great excuse to give everybody who just did what they were told and didn't hold their arms straight. 03:15:12.816 --> 03:15:16.018 I Know a guy he's he's vaccinated like a million people. 03:15:16.478 --> 03:15:21.501 Okay, and I went to Robert I Please let me let me finish. 03:15:21.742 --> 03:15:25.164 Okay And because I know him and you don't all right. 03:15:25.184 --> 03:15:25.904 All right, we're good. 03:15:25.944 --> 03:15:29.487 His organization has vaccinated a million people there we go. 03:15:29.547 --> 03:15:29.907 He is 03:15:32.532 --> 03:15:33.153 Well, all right. 03:15:33.653 --> 03:15:35.614 I'm up for the pursuit. 03:15:35.814 --> 03:15:37.075 It's like, I can't even. 03:15:37.195 --> 03:15:37.696 No, it's OK. 03:15:37.716 --> 03:15:39.077 He's like the traffic cop here. 03:15:40.037 --> 03:15:50.485 But I asked him, I said, so, and he says, hey, I'm on the CDC calls every week because I'm one of their big vaccinators. 03:15:50.585 --> 03:15:54.227 Please make sure that you understand that the spike protein can be toxic. 03:15:55.048 --> 03:15:56.769 It can be engineered to be a prion. 03:15:58.871 --> 03:16:01.873 And it doesn't change the fact that people 03:16:02.802 --> 03:16:08.845 that we know people that we were interacting with at that time said that billions of people were going to die. 03:16:08.865 --> 03:16:14.147 Those people also didn't talk at all about transfection before it came out. 03:16:15.007 --> 03:16:19.229 Didn't talk about the transfection as a bioweapon in 2021 at all. 03:16:20.690 --> 03:16:22.691 They talked about the virus as a bioweapon. 03:16:22.731 --> 03:16:23.551 Go back and check. 03:16:24.960 --> 03:16:36.109 Go back and check and see if any of those people that you idolize or think are heroes were saying that the transfection was dangerous when these guys were saying that it was the spike. 03:16:37.130 --> 03:16:38.891 Or were they saying that it was the spike? 03:16:39.692 --> 03:16:41.693 Were they saying it was a gain-of-function virus? 03:16:42.174 --> 03:16:52.442 The bioweapon did not become the shot until really 2023 for most of the clowns that get re-referenced in our chat. 03:16:54.005 --> 03:16:54.766 I'll repeat that. 03:16:55.927 --> 03:17:03.373 The transfection did not become a bioweapon for most of the clowns that get referenced in my chat until 2023. 03:17:03.433 --> 03:17:07.717 The record is out there. 03:17:07.997 --> 03:17:09.158 The videos are out there. 03:17:09.598 --> 03:17:10.960 Go look up your heroes. 03:17:13.242 --> 03:17:20.368 Go look up the people that you think were doing it right and see when they spoke out against the transfection as a bioweapon. 03:17:21.368 --> 03:17:22.488 as a dumb idea. 03:17:23.308 --> 03:17:32.611 Go see which one of those wrote a review in 2021 versus sat on their hands and complained about a gain-of-function virus leaking from a laboratory. 03:17:34.751 --> 03:17:35.952 Sat on your hands. 03:17:43.033 --> 03:17:45.154 I think I see this as plain as day. 03:17:45.234 --> 03:17:46.414 I see the bad guys. 03:17:46.594 --> 03:17:47.694 I see what they did. 03:17:47.794 --> 03:17:49.935 I see what they said and how they said it. 03:17:50.839 --> 03:17:52.921 and they all had to have been coached. 03:17:53.921 --> 03:18:04.069 They all had to know that they had to stay on a narrative in order to be successful, in order to maintain their comfort, in order to maintain their subscriber base. 03:18:04.669 --> 03:18:06.290 Otherwise, we will erase you. 03:18:09.012 --> 03:18:15.537 That's why I still have less than 3,000 subscribers on Twitch, less than 4,000 subscribers on YouTube, 03:18:16.971 --> 03:18:18.893 because I'm not artificially elevated. 03:18:18.953 --> 03:18:24.838 I'm not part of this theater that we have all been subjected to, including myself. 03:18:24.918 --> 03:18:26.899 I believed this when this video came out. 03:18:27.460 --> 03:18:29.301 I thought Robert Malone was a hero. 03:18:30.602 --> 03:18:35.707 So I said to him, so do you know how many people have died, have been killed by this virus? 03:18:36.367 --> 03:18:38.589 And he said, it's really, really small. 03:18:38.609 --> 03:18:38.829 It's like 100. 03:18:40.256 --> 03:18:40.937 You mean the vaccine. 03:18:41.838 --> 03:18:42.078 Sorry. 03:18:43.699 --> 03:18:44.960 I don't think you can find that. 03:18:45.301 --> 03:18:46.762 I'm sorry, but you can't find it. 03:18:47.223 --> 03:18:49.385 Go ahead and find that video and send me the link. 03:18:49.445 --> 03:18:55.270 I'll gladly watch it from end to end and give credit where credit's deserved, but you can't find that video. 03:18:55.510 --> 03:18:57.632 By the way, this is really, really small. 03:18:57.652 --> 03:18:58.233 It's about a hundred. 03:18:59.201 --> 03:19:01.923 I said, really, they're telling you it's about 100? 03:19:02.484 --> 03:19:07.607 Because the v-safe system, it is not transparent at all to the public. 03:19:07.647 --> 03:19:09.449 You cannot search it at all. 03:19:09.769 --> 03:19:13.532 It is like this secret black box that nobody can see inside. 03:19:13.792 --> 03:19:20.057 Nor can my colleagues at the FDA that I just spoke with today, who are data analysis specialists. 03:19:20.317 --> 03:19:22.158 What are they hiding, Brett? 03:19:22.558 --> 03:19:23.559 What are they hiding? 03:19:24.300 --> 03:19:25.981 That we shouldn't be allowed to see that. 03:19:26.121 --> 03:19:28.303 We shouldn't be allowed to see, and in fact, I would argue 03:19:29.665 --> 03:19:31.886 And why isn't even anyone asking? 03:19:32.246 --> 03:19:33.546 Why can't we see it? 03:19:33.746 --> 03:19:35.547 So this is the problem. 03:19:36.007 --> 03:19:38.588 Heather and I did a segment on our last live stream. 03:19:38.648 --> 03:19:40.408 And our point was, actually, you know what? 03:19:40.448 --> 03:19:47.271 People do incredible science under conditions that are way harder than where you have a database or you have a laboratory, right? 03:19:47.311 --> 03:19:49.491 We do science in the Amazon, right? 03:19:49.891 --> 03:19:50.832 You can infer pattern 03:19:52.012 --> 03:19:54.515 In such a circumstance, you can test hypotheses. 03:19:54.555 --> 03:19:55.777 We do it all the time. 03:19:55.837 --> 03:20:04.307 And yet, we are being held to this standard at the same time that the very data you would want to access is stored in a system that is impenetrable, right? 03:20:04.367 --> 03:20:05.808 So yes, that's anomalous. 03:20:05.829 --> 03:20:07.871 So can I kind of peck at that just a little bit? 03:20:08.111 --> 03:20:10.514 Because I'm going to trot out the bioethics argument. 03:20:10.654 --> 03:20:10.814 Sure. 03:20:12.396 --> 03:20:15.578 So they're currently experimental vaccines. 03:20:15.618 --> 03:20:20.201 There's three fundamental bedrock principles in Western bioethics. 03:20:21.642 --> 03:20:24.104 One is full and complete disclosure of risks. 03:20:25.625 --> 03:20:31.688 One is ensuring full comprehension of risks by people that are going to be taking the experimental product. 03:20:32.529 --> 03:20:35.351 And one is willing consent. 03:20:35.811 --> 03:20:37.112 You've got to have those three. 03:20:37.252 --> 03:20:38.273 And the thing about 03:20:40.399 --> 03:20:51.043 this database not being available for outside query by responsible parties, which is what, by the way, any academic publication would require. 03:20:51.063 --> 03:21:05.789 If you were going to say in JAMA, you were going to say, we conclude based on our analysis of this v-safe database that the vaccine is safe and that there are no deaths. 03:21:06.289 --> 03:21:08.010 If you were going to say that, 03:21:08.630 --> 03:21:17.099 You would have to say that we will provide these data for outside analysis by third parties upon request. 03:21:18.420 --> 03:21:21.223 If you publish, that's what you have to put in there. 03:21:21.243 --> 03:21:23.145 It's no ifs, ands, or buts. 03:21:23.585 --> 03:21:29.351 So what we functionally have is folks within the government saying, this is the truth. 03:21:31.012 --> 03:21:31.373 Trust us. 03:21:32.981 --> 03:21:33.401 Well put. 03:21:34.682 --> 03:21:36.402 But I'm sorry, but I'm sorry. 03:21:36.923 --> 03:21:44.146 We are not going to allow this information to be independently analyzed by responsible, qualified third parties. 03:21:44.786 --> 03:21:46.227 That's not right. 03:21:46.387 --> 03:21:46.547 Right. 03:21:46.827 --> 03:21:56.331 Well, at the same time, and somebody's going to have to do the work to figure out how this actually functions, but then there's the social media side. 03:21:56.491 --> 03:22:17.582 where the natural processes that would allow a massive error like this to emerge naturally is being so shaped by an environment in which one is presumed morally bad if you express skepticism over things that one should obviously be skeptical about, if one tries to gather with other people who are suffering the same symptoms. 03:22:18.203 --> 03:22:21.284 There's a whole bunch of thou shalt not discuss this, that, or the other. 03:22:21.304 --> 03:22:22.345 It doesn't matter who you are. 03:22:22.365 --> 03:22:23.346 Which is unprecedented. 03:22:23.506 --> 03:22:24.546 It's unprecedented. 03:22:24.926 --> 03:22:26.007 But there's an explanation for it. 03:22:26.167 --> 03:22:26.768 Okay. 03:22:27.168 --> 03:22:27.709 No, no, no. 03:22:27.789 --> 03:22:38.759 Because look, Mark Zuckerberg sent an email and this is in the public domain now where he said, he sent it to Tony Fauci and he said, we will censor anything that goes against the narrative. 03:22:38.819 --> 03:22:40.760 I mean, essentially that's what he said. 03:22:41.081 --> 03:22:41.321 Okay. 03:22:41.561 --> 03:22:47.346 So when you have a Facebook group of 70,000 people who are vaccine sufferers, that 03:22:48.047 --> 03:22:49.110 group disappears overnight. 03:22:49.591 --> 03:22:56.288 We have another Facebook group of COVID vaccine side effects, 120,000 people. 03:22:58.308 --> 03:22:59.549 disappears overnight. 03:22:59.889 --> 03:23:10.157 So how could you have, you know, like 200,000 people who are in these COVID vaccine side effect groups, like they would have nothing to talk about. 03:23:10.758 --> 03:23:14.000 Because it's a perfectly safe vaccine. 03:23:14.361 --> 03:23:18.704 Like what we're, we don't even know what they were talking about because it's taken from. 03:23:18.764 --> 03:23:19.505 No, no, we're not. 03:23:19.605 --> 03:23:20.105 This is us. 03:23:20.386 --> 03:23:20.926 Good. 03:23:21.426 --> 03:23:21.647 We, 03:23:22.948 --> 03:23:26.291 So he's got multiple screens up there to see what they're doing. 03:23:26.331 --> 03:23:27.833 It's a pretty fancy setup he's got. 03:23:28.153 --> 03:23:29.415 This is unprecedented. 03:23:29.655 --> 03:23:36.943 We have no cognitive immune system to prepare us for this kind of shaping of what we can see. 03:23:37.143 --> 03:23:39.085 Cognitive immune system? 03:23:39.165 --> 03:23:41.768 Don't try to confuse anybody anymore there, Brett. 03:23:42.569 --> 03:23:45.371 Might as well say that we have a cognitive immune system as well. 03:23:45.491 --> 03:23:47.132 What a bunch of horse. 03:23:47.513 --> 03:23:48.373 Oh my gosh. 03:23:48.834 --> 03:23:52.096 Or what we can even are allowed to discuss. 03:23:52.336 --> 03:23:54.157 This is not normal. 03:23:54.197 --> 03:24:04.965 And so the point is we use our normal heuristics to figure out how dangerous something is and how, how dangerous it is would ordinarily be something you could detect by how frequently you encounter discussions of things that have gone wrong. 03:24:05.305 --> 03:24:10.289 But if those discussions aren't allowed to be had, then the point is you artificially have the sense that this is very safe. 03:24:10.569 --> 03:24:12.270 And so, you know, again, it's an anomaly. 03:24:12.410 --> 03:24:24.379 Now, I don't think – maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm being naive – but I don't think that, you know, Twitter and Facebook were in the meeting in which something was decided that it was going to be fine for thousands of people to die immediately. 03:24:24.399 --> 03:24:30.944 No, they're just buying into – because it's suppressed, they're buying into the whole thing that – Robert, please, let me – can I finish? 03:24:33.246 --> 03:24:36.855 I have never broken this out before, but we are going to be very careful, all right? 03:24:37.317 --> 03:24:39.382 We are going to be nice to each other, and that thing is going to... 03:24:41.613 --> 03:24:43.514 You have just gotten a foul. 03:24:43.754 --> 03:24:44.735 Oh, sorry. 03:24:44.835 --> 03:24:45.695 Oh, I'm sorry. 03:24:46.556 --> 03:24:47.937 They're not allowed to be had. 03:24:47.997 --> 03:24:50.878 The point is, you artificially have the sense that this is very safe. 03:24:51.159 --> 03:24:52.860 And so, you know, again, it's an anomaly. 03:24:53.000 --> 03:25:04.606 Now, I don't think, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm being naive, but I don't think that, you know, Twitter and Facebook were in the meeting in which something was decided that it was going to be fine for thousands of people. 03:25:04.626 --> 03:25:08.629 No, they're just buying into, because it's suppressed, they're buying into the whole thing. 03:25:09.149 --> 03:25:10.730 Robert, please, let me, let me. 03:25:11.010 --> 03:25:15.938 All right, I may have to use... I have never broken this card before. 03:25:15.958 --> 03:25:17.761 Dang, that's awesome, the yellow card. 03:25:17.922 --> 03:25:19.945 We're gonna be nice to each other and that thing is gonna... 03:25:22.199 --> 03:25:24.101 You have just gotten a foul. 03:25:24.401 --> 03:25:25.061 Oh, sorry. 03:25:25.162 --> 03:25:26.182 Oh, I'm sorry. 03:25:26.222 --> 03:25:27.323 You have to give it to me. 03:25:28.024 --> 03:25:28.945 I thought I was supposed to take it. 03:25:29.085 --> 03:25:30.066 I was warning you. 03:25:30.986 --> 03:25:31.707 Oh, that's a warning. 03:25:31.767 --> 03:25:33.509 I thought it was who's got the ball, who can speak. 03:25:33.589 --> 03:25:34.329 No, no. 03:25:34.349 --> 03:25:35.710 I thought it was like the judge. 03:25:35.891 --> 03:25:37.112 No, but you got the floor. 03:25:37.252 --> 03:25:37.392 Yeah. 03:25:37.552 --> 03:25:37.792 OK. 03:25:38.173 --> 03:25:38.613 So thank you. 03:25:39.954 --> 03:25:42.256 So I did a test. 03:25:42.897 --> 03:25:46.400 I went to a vaccine line in my local pharmacy. 03:25:47.040 --> 03:25:53.806 And I said, hi, I'm thinking about getting the vaccine, but I've heard some things that some people have died. 03:25:53.846 --> 03:25:57.830 Does anybody know how many people have died from the vaccine? 03:25:57.850 --> 03:26:00.493 Because I'm not sure what to believe. 03:26:01.293 --> 03:26:03.075 So one woman says, oh, I believe in God. 03:26:03.695 --> 03:26:06.478 And God says that I should go and take the vaccine. 03:26:07.079 --> 03:26:09.221 And then another guy says, are you an anti-vaxxer? 03:26:10.921 --> 03:26:15.323 And it's like you cannot even raise even a question. 03:26:15.743 --> 03:26:26.826 In fact, I asked people on Nextdoor, I put up a poll to say, right, to say how many people, you know, oh, there's this posting on trial site news, how many people believed it? 03:26:27.306 --> 03:26:30.527 And, you know, 10 people responded, five said, yep, totally believe it. 03:26:30.687 --> 03:26:32.788 And the other five said, totally bullshit. 03:26:33.348 --> 03:26:58.210 Right, and it was it wasn't anywhere in between I gave them like five levels and it was either you thought it was total bullshit or you totally believed it's is a sensor is The the pole was censored by by next door like hours Later and and so you can't even ask people the question and when I asked the pharmacist I asked the pharmacist so do you know how many people have been killed by this virus and she says 03:26:59.051 --> 03:26:59.431 Vaccine. 03:26:59.872 --> 03:27:00.212 No, sorry. 03:27:00.432 --> 03:27:01.273 Yep, buy the vaccine. 03:27:01.293 --> 03:27:01.593 Thank you. 03:27:02.394 --> 03:27:05.756 She says, actually, I don't. 03:27:06.296 --> 03:27:24.730 And it's almost like she never even thought that it's an issue because they're so programmed to think that the vaccine is safe and effective that your mind shuts off to the possibility that, you know, and if you have an abortion, 03:27:25.330 --> 03:27:29.213 you can't even think that it could have been caused by the safe and effective vaccine. 03:27:29.233 --> 03:27:29.853 Spontaneous. 03:27:30.334 --> 03:27:32.355 It's like, it's, it's, you know, so, yeah. 03:27:32.495 --> 03:27:44.284 So this is again, in my area of expertise, there is something about the, you know, your poll, small as it was, reveals that there's something very unnatural about people's conclusions about how likely this is to be safe. 03:27:44.304 --> 03:27:45.805 You would expect a range, right? 03:27:45.825 --> 03:27:47.286 You would expect some outliers who think it's 03:27:47.666 --> 03:27:52.471 incredibly dangerous, and you would expect some people to think it's perfectly safe, and you would expect a whole lot in between. 03:27:52.772 --> 03:27:55.154 But our environment basically has... Yeah, kind of like a bell curve. 03:27:55.214 --> 03:27:56.175 It's the total opposite. 03:27:56.435 --> 03:27:56.596 Right. 03:27:56.636 --> 03:28:02.181 We're divided into teams, and the teams are basically repelled by each other out of disgust. 03:28:03.002 --> 03:28:03.982 Oh yeah, no, absolutely. 03:28:04.022 --> 03:28:12.525 So the sense, and this is something that we have faced on this channel from the beginning, is to even begin to try to unpack the nuance around this. 03:28:12.565 --> 03:28:18.766 What is going on, right, is to step into the line of fire of this disgust mechanism. 03:28:18.786 --> 03:28:21.327 You're morally bad for even raising this question. 03:28:21.727 --> 03:28:33.294 Now, how can it be, how is it possible that scientists, raising the question of how safe is this novel technology actually, how could that possibly be, you know, a morally deficient position, right? 03:28:33.334 --> 03:28:34.054 It's the right thing to do. 03:28:34.074 --> 03:28:40.618 It's, yeah, I mean, you should be able to question, you know, science is about, you know, questioning and science should be free. 03:28:41.178 --> 03:28:49.483 to question what the narrative is and, oh, there's a phase three, because even phase three studies are never perfect, right? 03:28:49.603 --> 03:29:00.449 And so, but the thing is that when I posted this article to Trial Site News, I had a scientific advisory board of 14 academics, very high power academics, all of them resigned. 03:29:00.629 --> 03:29:01.530 Good to bring that up. 03:29:01.590 --> 03:29:03.711 I'm sorry, I had to step out to go to the bathroom really quick. 03:29:05.212 --> 03:29:06.853 There was a story posted 03:29:08.354 --> 03:29:12.235 on Twitter about the fact that the Swiss government had changed their mind about vaccination. 03:29:12.295 --> 03:29:15.956 It was promoted by Kirsch and promoted by Robert Malone. 03:29:16.757 --> 03:29:27.060 If you follow a guy on Twitter by the name of Thomas Binder, B-I-N-D-E-R, that is a cardiologist from Switzerland that I've known since the beginning. 03:29:27.900 --> 03:29:30.661 He's part of the Doctors for COVID Ethics group in Europe. 03:29:31.701 --> 03:29:33.242 And you read him on Twitter, 03:29:34.127 --> 03:29:41.710 you will find a very different story about what has changed with regard to the recommendations of vaccination and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and what hasn't changed. 03:29:42.730 --> 03:29:49.332 And Robert and Steve were both very incorrect about what has changed and what hasn't changed. 03:29:50.333 --> 03:29:53.854 And they even told a story about liability, which hasn't changed at all. 03:29:54.935 --> 03:29:56.176 according to Thomas Binder. 03:29:56.236 --> 03:30:03.881 So a real Swiss doctor says that these two guys were passing misinformation about what has recently changed in Switzerland. 03:30:03.921 --> 03:30:04.942 That's just recent. 03:30:05.402 --> 03:30:06.803 So it's still happening. 03:30:08.104 --> 03:30:09.825 This is still ongoing. 03:30:09.905 --> 03:30:16.990 These two guys, these three guys are still part of an ongoing narrative control paradigm. 03:30:18.336 --> 03:30:26.718 that's trapping us and thereby our children and our grandchildren in a public health mythology forever. 03:30:29.578 --> 03:30:36.119 Like three days later saying that what I was doing, it was irresponsible, that it will cause vaccine hesitancy. 03:30:36.419 --> 03:30:37.460 I should take it down. 03:30:37.700 --> 03:30:42.541 They don't want to associate it with me anymore and don't email me ever again. 03:30:42.681 --> 03:30:44.541 Was there any substantive critique? 03:30:44.821 --> 03:30:45.962 No, and I asked for it. 03:30:46.022 --> 03:30:51.886 I said, hey, I'm sorry you're resigning, but could you please point out an error, and I will correct it. 03:30:52.487 --> 03:30:57.850 And in my article, I say, hey, if you've got an error, post it, and I will go and correct it. 03:30:58.411 --> 03:31:00.172 And they gave me nothing. 03:31:00.212 --> 03:31:01.913 They just said, I don't want to talk to you again. 03:31:02.153 --> 03:31:06.336 They gave me nothing of factual that was wrong with my article. 03:31:06.497 --> 03:31:10.539 So this is another symptom that is another data point on that line. 03:31:12.480 --> 03:31:19.143 And this is the thing that I find most troubling, frankly. 03:31:19.223 --> 03:31:20.543 Is he going to give him a yellow card? 03:31:20.623 --> 03:31:23.884 And much of it is coming from the academic community. 03:31:24.505 --> 03:31:26.665 I call it, you know, self-appointed academic policeman. 03:31:28.026 --> 03:31:28.926 Oh, yeah. 03:31:28.966 --> 03:31:30.447 And, you know, I go on Clubhouse. 03:31:31.246 --> 03:31:35.289 And I show up in a room, and I say, well, I'd like to talk. 03:31:35.309 --> 03:31:37.090 Well, the moderator's like shut me down. 03:31:37.450 --> 03:31:39.832 And then I challenge them. 03:31:39.852 --> 03:31:42.634 I say, hey, let's go to a private room, or let's go off on Twitter. 03:31:43.255 --> 03:31:45.096 I claim that you're wrong about ivermectin. 03:31:45.456 --> 03:31:45.936 Let's go off. 03:31:46.177 --> 03:31:49.239 And so the moderator says, well, I can't go, but I'll appoint someone. 03:31:49.299 --> 03:31:53.041 So I go off with this guy on Twitter. 03:31:53.522 --> 03:31:56.364 And he DMs me, and he says, show me your evidence. 03:31:56.926 --> 03:32:03.392 And I said, I gave him the web link to Tess's meta-analysis. 03:32:03.752 --> 03:32:05.614 So he says, oh, that's a web link. 03:32:05.814 --> 03:32:06.535 I want to study. 03:32:07.255 --> 03:32:10.438 And so, OK, well, so here's the link that's in the study. 03:32:10.619 --> 03:32:11.459 So I give it to him. 03:32:12.080 --> 03:32:15.883 And he says, OK, well, I have to study this. 03:32:16.764 --> 03:32:18.226 And I say, OK. 03:32:18.246 --> 03:32:26.777 And it's clear he's never looked at a systematic review before, because he didn't ask for the protocol that they use. 03:32:26.837 --> 03:32:28.259 And normally, you would go and do that. 03:32:28.739 --> 03:32:29.760 And so I said, OK. 03:32:32.243 --> 03:32:45.332 Uh, he comes back and he says, well, how would those studies, uh, uh, you know, how did they, I said, well, I guess you've never done this before because you would be asking for the entire protocol, which you didn't ask for, which was on the webpage that I gave you in the beginning. 03:32:45.552 --> 03:32:50.656 So the point is that these people who are these self-appointed police don't even know what they're policing. 03:32:50.976 --> 03:32:58.539 And then when I wrote him and I told him, hey, you know, Tess's thing is coming out as peer-reviewed. 03:32:58.959 --> 03:33:02.721 And you can't get any better than a peer-reviewed meta-analysis that's the highest. 03:33:03.101 --> 03:33:05.262 And so I said, you have to go and accept that. 03:33:05.402 --> 03:33:08.403 And the precautionary principle says you should use it on your patients now. 03:33:09.023 --> 03:33:26.250 silence right so so again the thing that the thing you should detect at the end of this is not all of the text in the middle it's that at the end of the day what's being said doesn't add up right if you believed the data was all that ambiguous you'd still give a safe drug because you don't have an alternative absolutely we're literally sending people 03:33:26.730 --> 03:33:32.593 home without treatment, where they go and sicken the people that they live with, when there's a perfectly safe drug. 03:33:32.673 --> 03:33:33.313 It's worse than that. 03:33:33.853 --> 03:33:34.254 Go for it. 03:33:34.334 --> 03:33:37.935 We're sending them home and we're saying, don't come back until your lips are blue. 03:33:38.076 --> 03:33:40.317 Until you're sick. 03:33:40.437 --> 03:33:40.797 Right. 03:33:40.837 --> 03:33:42.037 No, it's not sick. 03:33:42.818 --> 03:33:43.098 Okay? 03:33:43.578 --> 03:33:44.479 It's hypoxic. 03:33:45.439 --> 03:33:58.086 it's that your blood oxygen is so, no, sick is, you know, I've got a headache and I've got a fever and I'm sorry to nip it, but this is turning the dial up on sick. 03:33:58.906 --> 03:34:02.128 This is pretty severe sick. 03:34:02.248 --> 03:34:07.670 You need an intervention because you have to get oxygen now. 03:34:09.091 --> 03:34:12.433 Lips are blue equals oxygen saturation of high 80s. 03:34:14.855 --> 03:34:15.295 Way sick. 03:34:15.576 --> 03:34:15.736 Yep. 03:34:16.197 --> 03:34:19.544 So and and and our policy is 03:34:21.374 --> 03:34:29.659 you know, despite all the data that you've and others have championed, you have personally funded, which I acknowledge that commitment. 03:34:29.679 --> 03:34:35.263 I think that's super important for the audience to understand, is for you, this isn't just talk, you walked the walk. 03:34:35.763 --> 03:34:43.828 You took your wallet and you said fluvoxamine study at Wash U, one of the top universities in the United States, you funded it. 03:34:43.949 --> 03:34:48.972 So when you talk about the fluvoxamine study, it's not just that you pulled something out of the air, you enabled it. 03:34:49.571 --> 03:34:50.911 you provided leadership. 03:34:50.931 --> 03:35:14.758 Okay, so all those data are out there, and yet, the current public policy is, if you come into my hospital, and you've got all the signs and symptoms, and you got a PCR diagnosis, and you feel sick enough with COVID, that you feel like you gotta go to the ER, and the ER tells you, I'm sorry, Mrs. Smith, we're not gonna take you in, 03:35:15.905 --> 03:35:26.073 because your blood oxygen saturation levels are not at critical levels and you need to go home and just incubate. 03:35:26.153 --> 03:35:32.318 Without giving you a drug that would almost certainly make you better and without giving it to your family so you don't sicken them. 03:35:32.358 --> 03:35:37.462 We are actually behaving in a way that propagates the pandemic. 03:35:40.104 --> 03:35:45.308 What I understand here is that they're implying that, okay, your blood oxygen level is very low 03:35:46.394 --> 03:35:48.836 We're not gonna test you for a secondary pneumonia. 03:35:48.856 --> 03:35:51.037 We're not even gonna worry about whether you have pneumonia. 03:35:51.077 --> 03:35:58.603 We're just gonna send you home until you have a lower blood oxygen level and then bring you in and ventilate you. 03:35:59.743 --> 03:36:03.806 So they're not saying that that's the mistake. 03:36:03.826 --> 03:36:06.929 They're not saying that and not using antibiotics is the mistake. 03:36:06.949 --> 03:36:12.012 They're saying that we know that ivermectin would be something we could send home to these people. 03:36:12.572 --> 03:36:15.815 Brett says we could give ivermectin to their families. 03:36:19.918 --> 03:36:25.761 Why do we suddenly have to turn to another drug instead of just treating the people who come to the hospital sick? 03:36:27.762 --> 03:36:30.984 Why do we have to put a new drug into the story? 03:36:32.065 --> 03:36:33.446 Because there's a new virus. 03:36:34.066 --> 03:36:35.627 There's a new way to die. 03:36:36.447 --> 03:36:42.651 And none of these people on this screen are aware of the fact that there isn't a new way to die from a respiratory disease. 03:36:43.151 --> 03:36:48.014 There's not a new way to die from a secondary pneumonia. 03:36:50.233 --> 03:36:51.534 That's an old way to die. 03:36:52.674 --> 03:37:01.659 Getting sent home with a low oxygen level in your blood because of secondary pneumonia is a great way, an old way to die. 03:37:01.679 --> 03:37:06.342 Do you hear me? 03:37:06.362 --> 03:37:09.003 This is not a new way of dying. 03:37:09.043 --> 03:37:15.167 This is an old way of dying that they are describing as a new way of dying, insisting that it's a new way of dying. 03:37:16.530 --> 03:37:17.571 This is theater. 03:37:17.911 --> 03:37:25.519 This is pandemic story being laid down in front of you by people who are claiming to be whistleblowers. 03:37:28.554 --> 03:37:33.159 I think we can all agree that the behavior is bizarre. 03:37:33.439 --> 03:37:33.619 Yes. 03:37:33.719 --> 03:37:41.807 Especially when we know, like George Farid and Brian Tyson, they have a little practice. 03:37:41.847 --> 03:37:44.489 They've treated 6,500 patients, average age is 60 years old. 03:37:47.659 --> 03:37:49.500 They have like zero hospitalizations. 03:37:49.540 --> 03:37:53.322 They say, we only get a hospitalization when someone comes up to us really late. 03:37:53.742 --> 03:37:57.764 But anyone who gets to us early, they don't go to the hospital at all. 03:37:58.324 --> 03:38:00.466 We turn them around with our treatment protocol. 03:38:00.506 --> 03:38:06.289 So the most important thing is to treat people early with these drugs. 03:38:06.629 --> 03:38:08.250 And it almost doesn't matter. 03:38:08.270 --> 03:38:09.050 Their treatment protocol 03:38:09.991 --> 03:38:14.374 Oh, it has hydroxychloroquine, it has ivermectin, it has fluvoxamine in it. 03:38:14.915 --> 03:38:19.718 And the point is that they use the drugs that are shown to have an effect. 03:38:20.018 --> 03:38:23.841 And they use them in combination so that they don't really know which ones are working. 03:38:23.881 --> 03:38:34.269 And so when they use the old-fashioned treatment for pneumonia and they use the old-fashioned treatment for cytokine storm, which is steroids, well, then they get results. 03:38:35.570 --> 03:38:38.733 But if you send people home and do nothing, they can die. 03:38:39.730 --> 03:38:41.951 If you don't give them antibiotics, they can die. 03:38:43.831 --> 03:38:48.893 But again, here we are trying to obfuscate what it is that's really saving these people. 03:38:48.913 --> 03:38:51.373 What's really saving these people is being treated at all. 03:38:55.474 --> 03:39:01.096 And not being treated in the way that they are being suggested to be treated by the protocols with remdesivir, etc. 03:39:02.415 --> 03:39:09.621 but we don't know because remdesivir is given oftentimes in parallel with these other drugs that they say work great. 03:39:09.641 --> 03:39:15.686 100% effective at prophylactics says Brett Weinstein in the first 10 minutes of this podcast. 03:39:22.552 --> 03:39:27.334 of drugs, you know, David Seftel just used fluvoxamine, he got a 100% track record. 03:39:28.014 --> 03:39:30.215 Other people use ivermectin and fluvoxamine. 03:39:30.735 --> 03:39:33.516 I know a lot of docs who started with ivermectin, they added fluvoxamine. 03:39:33.816 --> 03:39:37.137 They say, oh my gosh, you know, this is even better than what I had before. 03:39:37.497 --> 03:39:40.318 So it's all about this combination of drugs. 03:39:40.898 --> 03:39:48.061 And of course, we don't tell people about George Farid and Brian Tyson. 03:39:48.201 --> 03:39:51.782 They don't even exist because those are anecdotes. 03:39:52.803 --> 03:39:56.626 We ignore the frontline physicians who are having success. 03:39:57.127 --> 03:40:03.352 You're ignoring natural immunity playing a huge role in these perceived successes, Steve. 03:40:04.713 --> 03:40:14.222 Robert Malone and Brett Weinstein are also completely ignoring previous existing T-cell immunity as playing a huge role in these perceived successes. 03:40:16.380 --> 03:40:26.926 I mean, we're gonna go on for hours, it looks like, because this is just a, it's a minefield of ridiculous statements, a minefield of assumptions, a minefield of misdirection. 03:40:26.966 --> 03:40:37.431 It's a minefield of misinformation that these guys have laid down so thoroughly with a censored video that everybody just had to see. 03:40:38.331 --> 03:40:39.552 And then what follows here? 03:40:40.192 --> 03:40:42.594 Joe Rogan appearances by all these clowns. 03:40:43.524 --> 03:40:45.505 Come on, guys, can't you see it now? 03:40:46.046 --> 03:40:55.391 Go and find out, oh, why isn't the NIH saying, hey, this guy has 100% track record. 03:40:55.431 --> 03:40:57.132 He just said something that's super important. 03:40:57.312 --> 03:40:58.233 OK. 03:40:58.413 --> 03:40:58.953 Oh, finally. 03:40:59.714 --> 03:41:02.616 No, you said a lot of things that are super important, but I want to highlight that one. 03:41:03.116 --> 03:41:04.697 You emphasize frontline physicians. 03:41:05.856 --> 03:41:08.318 And this has been my observation. 03:41:08.718 --> 03:41:12.601 I'm dealing with this community intensively since January of 2020. 03:41:12.682 --> 03:41:16.144 They only trust these double-blind randomized control trials that take a year to do. 03:41:16.204 --> 03:41:16.845 It's crazy. 03:41:17.465 --> 03:41:20.688 And typically require 20 million or more to do. 03:41:20.948 --> 03:41:21.989 Well, yeah. 03:41:22.009 --> 03:41:22.289 Okay. 03:41:22.910 --> 03:41:31.858 Um, so for a billion dollars in the case of what can I can I get the little yellow card you want? 03:41:32.198 --> 03:41:33.039 Wow. 03:41:33.259 --> 03:41:37.503 And he just said that Merck was asking for a billion dollars from Barta. 03:41:38.804 --> 03:41:39.545 Did you hear that? 03:41:40.545 --> 03:41:41.046 Did you hear it? 03:41:44.899 --> 03:41:50.866 Or a billion dollars in the case of what Merck is asking for. 03:41:51.207 --> 03:41:52.288 Can I get the little yellow card? 03:41:53.489 --> 03:41:57.294 I ask for the floor. 03:41:57.494 --> 03:42:02.099 I just want to make a point to amplify on the good message that you just gave. 03:42:03.988 --> 03:42:05.451 Um, and it's a good news story. 03:42:05.491 --> 03:42:06.712 We need a little bit of good news here. 03:42:06.733 --> 03:42:09.016 There's a lot of, a lot of kind of creepy stuff. 03:42:09.136 --> 03:42:12.401 We're going to end with great news, but anyway, we could use some good news along the way. 03:42:12.662 --> 03:42:15.667 Um, here in the States and across the world. 03:42:16.670 --> 03:42:23.071 We've had primary care physicians, frontline docs, ICU docs, desperately seeking solutions. 03:42:24.131 --> 03:42:32.253 And they have resorted because they have the right to do so as physicians to prescribe things off label. 03:42:32.613 --> 03:42:39.994 And I can tell you these docs that I deal with all the time are spending enormous amounts of time in the litter. 03:42:40.114 --> 03:42:41.415 I thought he raised horses. 03:42:43.195 --> 03:42:43.995 I thought he had a farm. 03:42:46.052 --> 03:42:47.013 I thought he was retired. 03:42:48.453 --> 03:42:50.834 But he deals with these doctors all the time. 03:42:50.874 --> 03:42:52.615 He talks to these people at the FDA. 03:42:52.835 --> 03:42:54.576 He just picks up the phone and calls them. 03:42:56.858 --> 03:42:59.539 Stops at the water cooler and talks to a few other guys. 03:42:59.859 --> 03:43:01.940 He's either an insider or he's not. 03:43:02.040 --> 03:43:03.741 He's either retired or he's not. 03:43:06.222 --> 03:43:15.007 And if you don't see that he's not retired, if you don't see that he's not active, if you don't see that this man has been bamboozling us from the very beginning, 03:43:19.121 --> 03:43:21.323 You're going to have to wake up and apologize eventually. 03:43:22.984 --> 03:43:27.387 If it's not to me and your friends and family, it's going to be to your kids or to your grandkids. 03:43:27.408 --> 03:43:28.969 You're going to wake up and apologize. 03:43:32.151 --> 03:43:38.516 You might as well wake up and apologize right now because Robert Malone's not going to wake up and apologize. 03:43:40.178 --> 03:43:43.460 He's not going to wake up and apologize for enabling Remdesivir. 03:43:43.480 --> 03:43:48.144 He's not going to wake up and apologize for not having spoken out about Remdesivir on this podcast. 03:43:49.531 --> 03:43:54.072 He's not going to wake up and apologize for suing the Breggans for nothing. 03:43:55.792 --> 03:44:05.274 He's not going to wake up and apologize for misleading us, for misdirecting us, for distracting us. 03:44:06.954 --> 03:44:16.856 He's not going to apologize for not having come on Brett Weinstein's podcast in October of 2020, before anybody had meaningfully been vaccinated. 03:44:19.073 --> 03:44:26.257 He's not going to apologize for this video today and say that I should have come out stronger on Brett's podcast. 03:44:26.277 --> 03:44:35.063 He's not going to say that because at the same time, his wife was writing articles in Facebook and on her blog about her. 03:44:35.143 --> 03:44:41.867 Her husband had not given credit, had not gotten the credit he deserves for saving the world with his ideas. 03:44:47.236 --> 03:44:51.178 Please see the truth so that we can start to move forward. 03:44:51.578 --> 03:44:56.821 We need individual people, one by one, to start to turn away from these people. 03:44:58.401 --> 03:44:59.802 To stop following them. 03:45:00.602 --> 03:45:01.603 To call them out. 03:45:02.883 --> 03:45:04.364 To tweet against them. 03:45:05.144 --> 03:45:06.925 To comment on their videos. 03:45:07.386 --> 03:45:09.527 To cancel your Patreon subscription. 03:45:09.547 --> 03:45:12.488 To cancel your subscription to their sub stack. 03:45:14.980 --> 03:45:20.025 We need to tune these people out because they did not hold their arms straight. 03:45:20.366 --> 03:45:22.027 They didn't keep their arms straight, guys. 03:45:23.849 --> 03:45:26.572 These are people that are encouraging you to put your arms down. 03:45:27.934 --> 03:45:35.582 These are people that are encouraging you to put your arms down, to not take responsibility, to trust them, and they don't deserve your trust. 03:45:37.261 --> 03:45:41.527 That's why we're watching this video because I don't believe these people deserve your trust. 03:45:42.048 --> 03:45:47.797 And it is vital that we start trusting people that deserve our trust or we will not get out of this. 03:45:51.431 --> 03:45:54.812 Bret Weinstein has never had Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 03:45:54.872 --> 03:45:55.752 on his podcast. 03:45:56.393 --> 03:45:56.973 Data point. 03:45:57.453 --> 03:45:57.733 Sure. 03:45:58.213 --> 03:46:13.138 Reading the preprints, trying to figure out some solution to save their patients' lives in the face of this amazing gap of clarity from our centralized public health service. 03:46:13.878 --> 03:46:18.360 And I just kind of wanted to take a moment and pick at what you just said. 03:46:19.020 --> 03:46:22.282 The innovation, this is amazingly paradoxical. 03:46:23.203 --> 03:46:33.910 What I've seen is all of the innovation in treating this disease is coming from these frontline docs that are tinkering and innovating. 03:46:33.990 --> 03:46:39.414 And what this gets to is the fundamentals of, and I'm going to say it, what makes this country great? 03:46:41.215 --> 03:46:48.622 And it's historically not been large, centrally controlled enterprises. 03:46:49.183 --> 03:46:50.985 It's been individual initiative. 03:46:51.325 --> 03:46:54.948 And one of the good news stories in COVID, 03:46:55.649 --> 03:47:10.505 is that a lot of the success have come from the docs like you're dealing with innovating, tinkering, experimenting, trying things, and they're driven by the need to give their patients some option. 03:47:10.725 --> 03:47:12.587 I just wanted to amplify that. 03:47:12.987 --> 03:47:14.348 Thanks for letting me have a look. 03:47:14.368 --> 03:47:17.129 Let me give the counterpoint to that when you give it to me. 03:47:17.189 --> 03:47:17.810 OK. 03:47:18.010 --> 03:47:21.912 So the docs on the ground are in a position to see this. 03:47:22.252 --> 03:47:27.095 They are in a good position, at least with respect to ivermectin, because it's so safe, right? 03:47:27.115 --> 03:47:30.937 If you don't believe it's any good, but it might be, you can give it to a few patients. 03:47:30.977 --> 03:47:33.178 And if you see a signal, then you can give it to more patients. 03:47:33.218 --> 03:47:34.219 If you can get it. 03:47:34.399 --> 03:47:35.160 If you can get it. 03:47:35.460 --> 03:47:36.620 But you can't get it in Canada. 03:47:36.640 --> 03:47:37.801 The pushback is incredible. 03:47:39.742 --> 03:47:43.025 The stigmatization of doctors, the punishment of doctors. 03:47:43.065 --> 03:47:46.788 But you also, you make a really good point in your document, right? 03:47:47.088 --> 03:47:52.152 Which is that doctors who have a number of patients below a certain threshold. 03:47:52.172 --> 03:47:53.272 Never see anything bad. 03:47:53.392 --> 03:47:55.414 What they see are anecdotes, right? 03:47:55.554 --> 03:47:59.957 And so you need a practice of a certain size before you see anything you're going to regard as a stigma. 03:47:59.977 --> 03:48:00.498 600 or more, 900. 03:48:00.758 --> 03:48:04.241 That wouldn't matter so much if the doctors were in a position to 03:48:04.961 --> 03:48:11.404 Encounter each other online and say, you know, I had the weirdest and they won't talk about it And the point is the stigma for talking about it in public. 03:48:11.504 --> 03:48:20.668 I can't tell you this is driving the paramedics won't talk about it They see all the professionals in all of the related disciplines the number of people who will say to you well, I 03:48:21.048 --> 03:48:27.229 Actually, here's what I'm seeing, but I'd really rather not because you know what happens if I do. 03:48:27.329 --> 03:48:27.829 I get fired. 03:48:27.969 --> 03:48:28.169 Right. 03:48:28.229 --> 03:48:31.170 And the point is that's a signal in and of itself, right? 03:48:31.230 --> 03:48:36.651 That is a signal that some phenomenon does not want this discussed. 03:48:36.731 --> 03:48:45.973 And frankly, again, if you imagine that what we've got now at the very least, right, we've got an excellent prophylactic that is extremely safe. 03:48:46.493 --> 03:48:49.414 We've got an excellent treatment that is extremely safe. 03:48:49.434 --> 03:48:50.554 Those are both ivermectin. 03:48:50.934 --> 03:48:56.097 Then we've got fluvoxamine, which crosses the blood-brain barrier, so it gets to some place. 03:48:59.819 --> 03:49:03.401 Ivermectin is a proven prophylactic and a proven treatment. 03:49:06.883 --> 03:49:10.285 Not vitamin D, not previous immunity. 03:49:10.305 --> 03:49:12.386 Do you hear this? 03:49:13.287 --> 03:49:15.588 Not that the PCR tests are inaccurate. 03:49:18.052 --> 03:49:27.212 We've got ivermectin as a prophylactic and ivermectin as a treatment and fluvoxamine and fluvoxamine. 03:49:29.517 --> 03:49:32.560 the brain fog and all that, and long haul COVID. 03:49:33.180 --> 03:49:37.284 These things, that's a pretty good kit to deal with this pandemic. 03:49:37.464 --> 03:49:40.166 It's a good kit for ending this pandemic. 03:49:40.186 --> 03:49:49.955 A good kit that Zev Zelenko did not have, his good kit was hydroxychloroquine, quercetin, zinc, anything to get zinc into cells. 03:49:51.036 --> 03:49:54.960 They haven't mentioned zinc once, they haven't mentioned vitamin D once, they haven't mentioned 03:49:56.101 --> 03:49:56.981 Zelenko once. 03:49:57.041 --> 03:50:00.142 They barely, barely mentioned hydroxychloroquine. 03:50:00.602 --> 03:50:04.343 And they mentioned ivermectin and flumoxamine every chance they get. 03:50:10.004 --> 03:50:16.665 And the only reason why they're not wearing masks is because Brett is using ivermectin prophylactically, which is 100% effective. 03:50:17.945 --> 03:50:22.086 And the other two are injected twice with Moderna shot. 03:50:23.456 --> 03:50:28.858 And what we have is, I can't swear that it's related, but it's certainly conspicuous. 03:50:28.878 --> 03:50:42.863 It's the only hypothesis I can think of that we have financial interests of private corporations that involve these excellent treatments not being available in order to try experimental stuff that's not out of patent. 03:50:43.704 --> 03:50:46.765 But I wanted to point out something cryptic that's hanging out here. 03:50:46.785 --> 03:50:48.285 You said it's going to cost $20,000 to do a randomized 03:50:50.486 --> 03:50:51.787 20 million bucks, sorry, what did I say? 03:50:52.648 --> 03:50:54.889 20 million, that's not a small amount of money. 03:50:55.609 --> 03:51:09.198 So when somebody online, whoever they are, however well-intentioned they are, whatever degree they may have, when they say really the only thing that's going to convince me that I should risk my patient's life with ivermectin, which is of course an insane 03:51:10.189 --> 03:51:12.249 assertion that there's any risk at all, really. 03:51:12.710 --> 03:51:15.310 Depending, so long as you keep the dose within the safe range. 03:51:15.330 --> 03:51:17.170 Within the range that we know to be safe, right? 03:51:17.270 --> 03:51:20.791 Of course, there's some risk, but... Like all drugs. 03:51:20.831 --> 03:51:20.991 Right. 03:51:21.051 --> 03:51:25.992 The problem is... But with ivermectin, the risk profile is extremely well known. 03:51:26.532 --> 03:51:28.332 It's been out there for decades. 03:51:28.352 --> 03:51:30.893 40 years, 4 billion doses already delivered. 03:51:30.933 --> 03:51:31.273 Just so. 03:51:31.613 --> 03:51:31.793 Right. 03:51:32.013 --> 03:51:33.433 So, here's the point. 03:51:33.533 --> 03:51:36.454 When you, as a warrior on Twitter, 03:51:37.214 --> 03:51:40.036 start battling for, hey, I'm a science person. 03:51:40.116 --> 03:51:44.820 I want to see the randomized controlled trial before I give patients any risk at all for ivermectin. 03:51:44.840 --> 03:51:56.828 What you're effectively doing is you are a warrior on behalf of new and less well-known drugs that are still under patent and against drugs that are old and out of patent, because who's going to pony up the $20 million? 03:51:56.868 --> 03:51:58.870 For something they can't make a profit on. 03:51:58.910 --> 03:52:01.832 For something they can't make a profit on and that would block their EUA. 03:52:01.952 --> 03:52:03.113 I live this, OK? 03:52:03.433 --> 03:52:04.314 I set up a company. 03:52:05.474 --> 03:52:16.041 Therac Pharmaceuticals for Zika, and I worked closely with the DoD and developed a portfolio of drugs, repurposed drugs, many of which are now being applied to COVID because they're antivirals. 03:52:17.141 --> 03:52:17.982 I went bankrupt. 03:52:19.123 --> 03:52:26.067 The investment community had zero interest because there's no way- We should be able to verify that he went bankrupt, right? 03:52:26.087 --> 03:52:27.528 Otherwise, you wouldn't use that term. 03:52:28.308 --> 03:52:32.152 Bankrupt means you file for having no money and want forgiveness for it. 03:52:32.172 --> 03:52:49.048 So it's a weird you term to use I Doubt that he went bankrupt to make a buck Okay, and pharma would not partner because there's no way to make a buck and you can't so so that I have direct personal experience validating the thesis 03:52:50.029 --> 03:52:57.535 that the financial incentives around drug repurposing are such that it doesn't get done. 03:52:57.975 --> 03:53:00.016 Well, even worse is you can't get an EUA. 03:53:00.036 --> 03:53:01.577 Can you give me a pen? 03:53:02.038 --> 03:53:02.298 Yes, sir. 03:53:02.318 --> 03:53:03.239 I got one. 03:53:03.299 --> 03:53:04.760 You can't get an EUA. 03:53:05.180 --> 03:53:11.445 We applied for an EUA at the FDA, and they basically said, eh, we're not convinced by your evidence. 03:53:14.247 --> 03:53:20.072 And you need to come to us with a drug company to show us how it's going to be made. 03:53:20.752 --> 03:53:22.814 It's a drug that's already on the market, right? 03:53:22.854 --> 03:53:28.478 They're not even set up for issuing an EUA on a repurposed drug. 03:53:28.899 --> 03:53:29.739 No, they're not. 03:53:30.039 --> 03:53:30.400 You're right. 03:53:30.480 --> 03:53:31.741 You're fundamentally right. 03:53:31.801 --> 03:53:33.242 OK, can I finish, please? 03:53:34.163 --> 03:53:36.124 Wow, what is going on there? 03:53:36.665 --> 03:53:40.288 With a drug company to show us how it's going to be made. 03:53:40.988 --> 03:53:43.030 It's a drug that's already on the market, right? 03:53:43.090 --> 03:53:48.694 They're not even set up for issuing an EUA on a repurposed drug. 03:53:49.134 --> 03:53:49.955 No, they're not. 03:53:50.275 --> 03:53:50.616 You're right. 03:53:50.696 --> 03:53:52.077 You're fundamentally right. 03:53:57.120 --> 03:54:01.222 So we reached out to all these drug manufacturers. 03:54:01.602 --> 03:54:03.783 Usually, we would get no response at all. 03:54:04.544 --> 03:54:16.129 And the ones that we did, and I won't say who they were, but thank you for responding, was, yeah, look, we can't really come up with a financial justification to get involved. 03:54:16.169 --> 03:54:17.850 And I said, I'll pay for all your expenses. 03:54:18.570 --> 03:54:21.131 you know, I'll cover all your costs. 03:54:21.732 --> 03:54:23.053 Eh, we just don't want to do it. 03:54:23.413 --> 03:54:37.881 So I can't even, even if I had their phase three trial that they need, which I do have now, they still would, I still would not be able to get an EUA on a repurposed drug. 03:54:38.781 --> 03:54:45.946 The weird thing is, is that Steve doesn't seem to understand that what's missing from his, from his 03:54:47.779 --> 03:54:58.464 EUA authorization would be a plausible mechanism by which an SSRI would help with a viral infection that's largely focused on the lungs. 03:55:00.105 --> 03:55:16.073 You see, he can argue all he wants, but there's not really a plausible mechanism by which this working, crossing the blood-brain barrier, this kind of thing, is not a mechanistic explanation for why it would have antiviral properties and therefore giving it an EUA 03:55:18.988 --> 03:55:28.743 on numbers where it's 50 or 60% effective would not make sense because if you don't have a mechanistic explanation for why you should consider that a significant effect, 03:55:29.889 --> 03:55:32.009 then chances are it's just a random effect. 03:55:32.690 --> 03:55:35.110 At least that's the way I would see the argument. 03:55:35.150 --> 03:55:39.491 And I think Steve is portraying it as though these people aren't listening to reason. 03:55:39.511 --> 03:55:41.031 They're not following their own rules. 03:55:41.751 --> 03:55:53.514 But he's discarding this idea that there should be some mechanistic understanding of what you expect the drug to do and why that expectation is in line with the results that you see. 03:55:55.342 --> 03:56:02.908 And so if you think ivermectin is a drug that interferes with the replication of the virus, then you should see and you should describe it as that. 03:56:03.488 --> 03:56:05.350 You should see a reduction in viral load. 03:56:05.950 --> 03:56:16.858 If you think it's something that's a zinc ionophore, then you should see and show evidence of that and why that would be expected to reduce all cause mortality with regard to COVID. 03:56:16.898 --> 03:56:17.339 But don't. 03:56:18.613 --> 03:56:23.176 Don't think that you don't need to have an explanation for how you think the drug works. 03:56:24.096 --> 03:56:27.838 And I doubt that Steve had an explanation for why an SSRI would work. 03:56:28.459 --> 03:56:34.002 I think it was set up to be a little bit of a fake, you know, thing to object about. 03:56:35.063 --> 03:56:44.628 When he's never once sat us down with a picture and said, here's how a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor can help you against COVID. 03:56:45.088 --> 03:56:47.590 And that's a pretty interesting statement. 03:56:48.035 --> 03:56:49.696 I don't know why that all of a sudden went blank. 03:56:51.217 --> 03:56:53.958 Hopefully, this computer will wake up in just a second here. 03:56:55.359 --> 03:56:57.761 Otherwise, I'll have to find this thing again. 03:56:58.121 --> 03:56:59.381 I think it was just going to sleep. 03:57:01.483 --> 03:57:04.344 Yeah, so I have a thought here. 03:57:04.804 --> 03:57:05.505 You tell me, actually. 03:57:05.525 --> 03:57:06.806 You're the expert on whether or not. 03:57:06.826 --> 03:57:08.427 I don't know why that all of a sudden went blank. 03:57:08.447 --> 03:57:09.267 Hold on one second. 03:57:09.287 --> 03:57:11.948 Let me see if I can cut over and cut over and cut over. 03:57:11.969 --> 03:57:14.730 It's not working. 03:57:17.998 --> 03:57:23.560 Why is this not working? 03:57:24.060 --> 03:57:25.880 It's playing it, but I can't see it. 03:57:26.140 --> 03:57:27.221 I don't know what happened here. 03:57:27.281 --> 03:57:31.182 It's supposed to be right here, but I don't see my screen anymore. 03:57:31.202 --> 03:57:32.602 I'm going to pull this out once. 03:57:34.483 --> 03:57:35.483 Put this back in. 03:57:39.564 --> 03:57:39.905 Shoot. 03:57:40.265 --> 03:57:40.885 Something crashed. 03:57:40.965 --> 03:57:41.525 Oh, there we go. 03:57:41.705 --> 03:57:42.765 I think I got it back now. 03:57:44.066 --> 03:57:45.306 I just got to move this over here. 03:57:46.727 --> 03:57:46.947 Yep. 03:57:47.267 --> 03:57:47.647 There we go. 03:57:49.147 --> 03:57:50.090 Thanks for your patience. 03:57:50.110 --> 03:57:50.731 Sorry about that. 03:57:51.653 --> 03:57:53.598 Thing is plausible, but here's my sense. 03:57:57.136 --> 03:57:59.478 SARS-CoV-2 is a funny virus, right? 03:58:01.159 --> 03:58:08.644 It seems to infect a number of different creatures, but especially high on the list are minks and ferrets, right? 03:58:08.744 --> 03:58:15.129 Now, I think that this is highly likely to be the result of experiments that may have produced this virus, but it doesn't really matter. 03:58:15.189 --> 03:58:21.814 The thing is, ferrets and minks appear to be the only creatures who not only contract COVID, but can also pass it on like human beings do. 03:58:22.788 --> 03:58:26.931 I'm not entirely sure that there aren't some other domestic animals. 03:58:27.311 --> 03:58:28.893 There are domestic animals that catch it. 03:58:29.013 --> 03:58:31.214 I don't know of any domestic animals that transmit it. 03:58:31.274 --> 03:58:32.996 Now, if I'm wrong about that, I'm wrong about that. 03:58:34.096 --> 03:58:35.497 No, I don't know that you're right or wrong. 03:58:35.637 --> 03:58:40.461 What I know is that to detect that signal would be really tough. 03:58:40.901 --> 03:58:42.042 Yeah, but here's the thing. 03:58:42.302 --> 03:58:44.544 The mink ferret signal, not tough. 03:58:44.624 --> 03:58:45.665 We've seen that one. 03:58:45.705 --> 03:58:46.565 So here's the question. 03:58:47.626 --> 03:59:02.953 is there room for some kind of guerrilla research effort where ferrets i mean imagine you got 2 000 ferrets but why do you need to do a guerrilla research because what you want is the quick and dirty 03:59:04.835 --> 03:59:12.805 randomized controlled trial that demonstrates the effectiveness, the safety, and doesn't cost the 20 million bucks. 03:59:13.285 --> 03:59:15.228 So there are ways to do that. 03:59:15.528 --> 03:59:16.129 Right. 03:59:16.269 --> 03:59:17.811 It's like the Seftel trial, right? 03:59:17.891 --> 03:59:19.754 Instead of having the rigor 03:59:20.494 --> 03:59:23.675 of a IRB-approved randomized controlled trial. 03:59:24.116 --> 03:59:28.457 When David Seftal did his study, it was like, hey, I got two options for you. 03:59:28.537 --> 03:59:28.938 You choose. 03:59:28.958 --> 03:59:31.319 Let me document that, and I'll publish the results. 03:59:31.619 --> 03:59:41.823 Well, if you do that 1,000 times, if there are 100 physicians that do the same thing, and they publish the same result, do you really need a randomized controlled trial? 03:59:41.883 --> 03:59:44.464 Believe me, I think the signal here is such a slam dunk. 03:59:44.604 --> 03:59:46.725 It's 100% effect size. 03:59:46.865 --> 03:59:49.606 So what you're talking about is building a new animal model. 03:59:50.194 --> 04:00:00.400 Well, no, I'm talking about the fact that, A, because ferrets and minks, which are very close relatives, that's why this is true, have a human-like ACE2 receptor, right? 04:00:00.620 --> 04:00:06.443 Which is, if this was the product of research in Wuhan, this is probably why they would have used ferrets. 04:00:06.503 --> 04:00:07.144 What did he do? 04:00:07.184 --> 04:00:08.584 Did he just shake his head no? 04:00:08.604 --> 04:00:09.905 What did he do there? 04:00:09.925 --> 04:00:10.746 Oh, man, did you see that? 04:00:19.717 --> 04:00:20.337 Did you see it? 04:00:20.357 --> 04:00:21.898 He shook his head no. 04:00:21.918 --> 04:00:22.878 He shook his head no. 04:00:22.898 --> 04:00:27.200 Mark has been trying to impress upon me that he didn't think that the lab leak was necessarily part of the plan. 04:00:40.865 --> 04:00:49.271 that adding that part of the narrative wasn't necessarily part of the narrative that they were gonna do, and that they may have conceded that later. 04:00:50.773 --> 04:00:58.779 And holy smokes, if I don't see it right now, that he's saying, no, that didn't happen yet. 04:01:00.100 --> 04:01:04.883 They haven't conceded to the lab leak narrative yet here. 04:01:05.384 --> 04:01:06.785 That's incredible to me. 04:01:07.830 --> 04:01:08.690 That's incredible. 04:01:08.790 --> 04:01:09.531 Did you see it? 04:01:09.551 --> 04:01:10.171 Oh yeah! 04:01:28.447 --> 04:01:31.468 animal that has the appropriate receptor in order to create a human effect. 04:01:31.488 --> 04:01:34.990 And it's universally used for influenza vaccine research, for example. 04:01:35.270 --> 04:01:36.891 So readily available, you can order them. 04:01:37.651 --> 04:01:40.632 Universally available for flu vaccine research. 04:01:40.673 --> 04:01:49.056 Of course, we've already been told in 2012 and 11 and 12 that they enriched an avian flu virus to become aerosolized in ferrets. 04:01:49.096 --> 04:01:49.677 That's also why 04:01:50.819 --> 04:01:52.281 Brett is so excited to bring it up. 04:01:52.321 --> 04:01:53.322 He feels so smart. 04:01:54.384 --> 04:01:58.870 So all I'm saying is that that is a ready-made model for COVID. 04:01:59.511 --> 04:02:03.416 And that therefore, anything that we need to demonstrate, I mean, look, you get 2,000 Farads, okay? 04:02:05.889 --> 04:02:08.910 Half of them are treatment, half of them are control, right? 04:02:09.190 --> 04:02:12.852 You give the half that are treatment, ivermectin, you then expose them to COVID. 04:02:12.992 --> 04:02:22.916 My guess is you're gonna find out that they don't get sick, the ones that aren't protected with COVID do get sick, and then you take those that got COVID and you divide them in half, right? 04:02:23.116 --> 04:02:31.499 And you treat those that got COVID with ivermectin or a placebo and voila, we're gonna know everything we need to know from that experiment, I would imagine. 04:02:32.259 --> 04:02:35.940 So, um, I used to be a primate center researcher at Davis. 04:02:36.220 --> 04:02:42.481 I do understand animal models and I have good friends who have been at the tip of the spear in developing the animal models for here. 04:02:42.821 --> 04:02:46.342 We've got pretty good animal model in the golden hamster, golden hamster. 04:02:46.462 --> 04:02:47.442 So we don't have to go there. 04:02:48.123 --> 04:02:53.464 And, um, yes, those, those hamster gets COVID and transmits it. 04:02:53.964 --> 04:02:55.044 I don't know about transmission. 04:02:55.064 --> 04:02:58.745 If you want to ask transmission question, that's a different, but you can still check. 04:02:58.985 --> 04:03:00.405 How can it not transmit? 04:03:00.425 --> 04:03:02.586 I don't understand how they can even say that. 04:03:03.707 --> 04:03:09.228 If it doesn't recapitulate transmission, then how is it an adequate model for infection? 04:03:09.248 --> 04:03:10.909 I don't get that at all. 04:03:10.969 --> 04:03:11.589 That's weird. 04:03:16.931 --> 04:03:26.694 Tip of the spear is something that I know other people use a lot, and certainly I've never used the word tip of the spear, at least not in the context of how other people use it. 04:03:27.696 --> 04:03:37.125 My point is, if you're going to go down there, there's a whole lot that goes into building a good animal model, including titrating the virus dose and a whole ton of stuff. 04:03:37.505 --> 04:03:38.126 It's not cheap. 04:03:39.207 --> 04:03:41.388 And at the end, remember what I said? 04:03:42.109 --> 04:03:42.650 Mice lie. 04:03:43.110 --> 04:03:43.951 Monkeys mislead. 04:03:44.391 --> 04:03:46.153 The only thing it tells us about humans is humans. 04:03:46.733 --> 04:03:48.295 Ah, but wait, wait, wait, wait. 04:03:48.355 --> 04:03:51.017 I used to have that on a slide with his face on it. 04:03:51.057 --> 04:03:51.577 Remember that? 04:03:51.858 --> 04:03:53.899 The way that we can really tell about humans 04:03:54.580 --> 04:03:59.361 in this kind of a context is a meta-analysis, which we've got. 04:03:59.381 --> 04:04:00.362 So Mark is right. 04:04:01.382 --> 04:04:06.523 They knew that they couldn't test this on anybody but humans because if they tested it on animals, of course it wouldn't work. 04:04:07.864 --> 04:04:20.827 They didn't have any higher expectations for humans, but the excuse is now, the excuse is for Robert that mice and monkeys don't tell you anything about humans, but they do if it's a poison. 04:04:22.386 --> 04:04:29.232 They do if it's wholly inappropriate for all mammals that you want to live a long and healthy life. 04:04:30.513 --> 04:04:44.284 And I think all experiments in mice and all experiments in animals that have been done with transfections have told us that it's not an appropriate therapeutic strategy for human beings. 04:04:46.346 --> 04:04:47.607 And they're not saying that here. 04:04:48.584 --> 04:04:50.907 None of these gentlemen are saying that here. 04:04:51.548 --> 04:04:54.212 None of these gentlemen are keeping their arms straight. 04:04:54.693 --> 04:04:56.816 None of these gentlemen are keeping their arms straight. 04:04:57.847 --> 04:04:59.308 We've got two of them. 04:05:00.148 --> 04:05:01.029 But hold on a second. 04:05:01.289 --> 04:05:18.100 I have to go just a little bit down this rabbit hole here, because I believe that the golden hamsters have anomalously long telomeres, which will be the result of their captive breeding, which have an implication for how susceptible they are to toxic phenomena like spike protein. 04:05:18.800 --> 04:05:20.481 So, okay. 04:05:20.741 --> 04:05:21.182 It could be. 04:05:21.202 --> 04:05:21.662 All right. 04:05:22.062 --> 04:05:45.278 So my, so Brett Weinstein has done exactly one molecular biological study that had to do with telomeres and gotten one result scientifically that he now believes is a, is a ground truth of biology that longer telomeres can make animals susceptible to toxicities and to sickness and to all kinds of misfunction. 04:05:46.670 --> 04:05:50.052 And so he thinks he has a very unique insight on something. 04:05:50.092 --> 04:05:52.474 And that's why he's saying this to Robert. 04:05:52.494 --> 04:05:57.558 And that's why Robert's kind of like, okay, well, whatever you say, sure, go ahead. 04:05:58.078 --> 04:06:06.384 This is the only card that is meaningful molecular biology that Brett ever can hope to play. 04:06:07.617 --> 04:06:11.300 And often he misplays it and he's misplaying it here, but that's okay. 04:06:11.701 --> 04:06:13.342 He's trying to play with the big boys. 04:06:13.402 --> 04:06:14.343 Let's see how he does. 04:06:14.623 --> 04:06:26.914 Fences that ferrets actually are a better model also because we can model not only the effect of the drug on the animal, but we can also model the epidemiological impact. 04:06:27.264 --> 04:06:27.844 Could be. 04:06:28.144 --> 04:06:39.687 And you're dead on that one of the lovely things about ferrets and respiratory viruses is that we have a huge body of literature on transmissibility and how to assess it. 04:06:41.248 --> 04:06:42.448 So that's all fair too. 04:06:42.908 --> 04:06:51.651 So what you're criticizing is the folks in the animal model community that have made some strategic decisions that you disagree with and that 04:06:54.316 --> 04:06:58.921 That may be that they should have gone down that rabbit hole instead of the one that they did. 04:06:59.341 --> 04:07:04.066 And as far as Golden Hamster, I'm no fan of that model. 04:07:04.326 --> 04:07:05.167 But I'm just saying that 04:07:08.118 --> 04:07:16.722 Even if we were to do what you did, which is a non-trivial investment, we still don't get to what Tess has done. 04:07:17.683 --> 04:07:18.623 Or Andy Hill. 04:07:18.803 --> 04:07:26.007 I think the signal is so strong, and if the signal was that strong and the drug is that safe, the whole thing just stops. 04:07:26.047 --> 04:07:27.348 So what is about to happen? 04:07:28.888 --> 04:07:40.535 And what happened was there was some large trials started with ivermectin and the data was supposed to come in right before the WHO determination and it didn't come in because this is how it is with clinical trials. 04:07:40.915 --> 04:07:42.536 Sometimes you get the enrollment that you want. 04:07:42.936 --> 04:07:46.718 It's turning out to be wicked hard to enroll trials with COVID. 04:07:46.798 --> 04:07:47.419 It just is. 04:07:47.619 --> 04:07:49.260 Well, WHO doesn't have any outpatient trials. 04:07:50.660 --> 04:07:51.561 Which is another problem. 04:07:52.081 --> 04:07:53.421 They're not WHO trials. 04:07:53.541 --> 04:07:58.803 So there are trials, large trials pending, Andy Hill tells me. 04:08:00.424 --> 04:08:06.106 And we discussed at length about what he was going to disclose and when publicly. 04:08:07.266 --> 04:08:22.838 And together we made a decision, it's his decision, I was just counseling him, to just stop releasing interim results and wait for these large trial results, and they're scheduled to come in about September. 04:08:23.538 --> 04:08:23.718 No. 04:08:24.979 --> 04:08:28.720 The WHO already knows that ivermectin works. 04:08:28.760 --> 04:08:29.400 We already have. 04:08:29.580 --> 04:08:35.282 There's never been a case where a peer-reviewed... He's really opposing Robert here. 04:08:35.322 --> 04:08:36.422 This is pretty impressive. 04:08:37.343 --> 04:08:40.664 Even though it's about ivermectin, it's impressive what's happening here. 04:08:40.724 --> 04:08:45.785 But I think it might... it's just to fool us into thinking that there's a discussion going on here. 04:08:45.805 --> 04:08:47.046 They're not talking about 04:08:48.018 --> 04:09:07.366 the most important fundamental issues, which is the PCR test being misused, pneumonia being mistreated, remdesivir being used, midazolam being used in the two countries that he's singing about, the VAERS reports and the yellow card reports. 04:09:07.406 --> 04:09:17.470 He's not talking about remdesivir or midazolam and about vitamin D. This is all just disturbing to see 04:09:18.683 --> 04:09:32.173 that a year after or more, maybe even a year and a half after I started advocating for those things, don't transfect people, use vitamin D and zinc, like Zelenko says, and we have previous existing immunity. 04:09:32.713 --> 04:09:38.698 These guys have been talking for one hour and 47 minutes and haven't said any of those things. 04:09:39.418 --> 04:09:43.339 natural immunity, vitamin D, don't transfect people. 04:09:43.659 --> 04:09:45.940 They haven't said any of those things. 04:09:46.500 --> 04:09:54.763 And at this stage in our history, I had already been saying those things for more than a year and a half, gotten fired at American medical school for it. 04:09:55.283 --> 04:09:56.243 Do you see this? 04:09:58.464 --> 04:10:00.805 These people are fake leaders. 04:10:00.865 --> 04:10:02.505 They are fake objectors. 04:10:02.565 --> 04:10:08.387 They are not people who held their arms straight when it was necessary to hold your arms straight. 04:10:10.526 --> 04:10:16.831 And in fact, they are actively engaged in getting people to drop their arms right now on this stream. 04:10:18.733 --> 04:10:20.074 Give up and submit. 04:10:20.654 --> 04:10:21.795 This is the way it is. 04:10:22.376 --> 04:10:24.077 These are the things that are going on. 04:10:24.457 --> 04:10:27.220 These guys are speaking up so you don't have to do anything. 04:10:28.761 --> 04:10:34.426 Censorship was more important to mention over and over than the overt coercion that it resulted in. 04:10:37.159 --> 04:10:53.071 They talk about the censorship, but they don't talk about how the censorship resulted in coercion, which is the real reason and the worst reason why we weren't able to exercise informed consent in so many cases around the world because of the coercion. 04:10:53.091 --> 04:10:59.916 The censorship was just a passive version and it enabled people to say, hey, 04:11:03.547 --> 04:11:05.591 You have to see this for what it is. 04:11:05.671 --> 04:11:07.976 These people are bad news. 04:11:09.660 --> 04:11:12.866 They are part of something that we are not a part of. 04:11:12.906 --> 04:11:14.891 They are part of a club that we are not in. 04:11:16.209 --> 04:11:26.940 And it doesn't even matter if at this stage in time, Steve is in the club or Brett is in the club, or both of them think that the other one's not in the club, but I'm in the club because Robert said I'm in the club. 04:11:27.460 --> 04:11:32.205 Something is going on here besides three guys trying to speak out carefully. 04:11:32.726 --> 04:11:33.787 I assure you. 04:11:35.643 --> 04:11:55.259 systematic review and meta-analysis has been overturned, because I asked an expert in this area, and I said, hey, what happens if you have the top level of evidence, and you have one systematic review that says it works, and you have another one that says it causes harm, then how do you resolve that? 04:11:56.100 --> 04:12:00.584 And she says, well, that's never happened in history, so we don't have to worry about that. 04:12:00.904 --> 04:12:04.327 So you're advising the WHO to wait, 04:12:04.927 --> 04:12:10.892 is counter to... I'm not advising the WHO, I'm advising Andy Hill, who's now at the same position. 04:12:10.972 --> 04:12:13.875 Yeah, but now it's a moot point, okay? 04:12:13.935 --> 04:12:16.337 Because we now have this peer-reviewed... We agree. 04:12:16.557 --> 04:12:17.358 It is a moot point. 04:12:17.758 --> 04:12:19.620 Ivermectin clearly works, right? 04:12:19.680 --> 04:12:22.122 The signal is overwhelmingly clear. 04:12:22.302 --> 04:12:22.742 It's done. 04:12:23.043 --> 04:12:38.515 And the people who are saying it isn't clear enough don't make sense because their next sentence is we shouldn't prescribe it until we have better evidence, when in fact, because it's a safe drug and because the evidence in their mind is not clear, you should prescribe it and see if it works, because the alternative is sent people home. 04:12:38.535 --> 04:12:50.585 You're being a hypocrite if you're saying, hey, oh, I... And so this doesn't apply to hydroxychloroquine in their mind, even though that is what Peter McCullough spoke out in 2020 about. 04:12:52.844 --> 04:12:57.849 Peter McCullough got burnt for using hydroxychloroquine even though hydroxychloroquine worked. 04:12:59.030 --> 04:13:04.595 Peter McCullough was in front of the Texas Senate and the United States Senate saying that they're lying about the swollen hearts. 04:13:05.116 --> 04:13:15.085 I know they're lying about the swollen hearts because I have a technician who's held more hearts in her hand than anyone else and she can tell you that hydroxychloroquine doesn't cause that problem. 04:13:17.657 --> 04:13:20.241 Where is this part of the story in June of 2021? 04:13:20.341 --> 04:13:23.906 Where is this part of the story in June of 2021? 04:13:24.006 --> 04:13:27.010 Why isn't anybody mentioning that? 04:13:28.292 --> 04:13:30.556 Because that's not part of the narrative they're pushing. 04:13:31.497 --> 04:13:33.420 That's not the objective of this video. 04:13:34.226 --> 04:13:39.610 subscribe to evidence-based medicine, and I believe in the triangle, and this is the way it's done. 04:13:39.931 --> 04:13:41.432 And then they don't do it. 04:13:41.972 --> 04:13:43.153 They don't walk the talk. 04:13:43.253 --> 04:13:43.694 It's hypocritical. 04:13:43.714 --> 04:13:44.054 It's preposterous. 04:13:44.154 --> 04:13:55.944 It's an anomaly, and it seems to match the incentives of a corporation that's got two EUAs in play and potentially a lot of money to be made if we can't 04:13:56.565 --> 04:13:59.307 deal with the pandemic and we have to get lost. 04:13:59.367 --> 04:14:02.469 I'd just like to add one more log to your fire. 04:14:02.850 --> 04:14:03.130 Okay. 04:14:04.071 --> 04:14:18.902 Um, in the, in the roster of, uh, the blizzard of criticisms about the ivermectin data, one that comes up often is that these small studies that have been done across the world in various sites independently, 04:14:20.255 --> 04:14:22.117 are not peer-reviewed and published. 04:14:22.557 --> 04:14:32.245 And the log I want to add on the fire is that it's become wicked hard to get anything through peer review involving repurposed drugs. 04:14:33.137 --> 04:14:38.418 which is why I set up that whole special edition of Frontiers in Pharmacology for repurposed drugs. 04:14:38.978 --> 04:14:40.059 And then all of them quit. 04:14:40.099 --> 04:14:40.979 And then it got killed. 04:14:41.759 --> 04:14:44.760 Well, no, all of the editors quit. 04:14:44.840 --> 04:14:45.720 Yeah, I was one of them. 04:14:45.880 --> 04:14:48.161 I was one of the leaders on that. 04:14:48.201 --> 04:14:54.202 Because the journal, because once these papers had gotten through, the journal decided to 04:14:54.662 --> 04:14:56.323 Well, we don't like this. 04:14:56.483 --> 04:14:58.705 The ivermectin was very arbitrary. 04:14:58.745 --> 04:15:02.328 So I would say that's another signal of some kind of emergent capture. 04:15:02.508 --> 04:15:15.118 That's all I wanted to share, is this argument that's put out by your hypothetical objector that's out there, who has not ever tried to publish anything, but by God, they're an expert. 04:15:16.479 --> 04:15:18.580 And I deal with them all the time on LinkedIn and Twitter. 04:15:19.721 --> 04:15:29.509 But the objection that those data in that, those meta-analyses are not peer-reviewed and published. 04:15:30.850 --> 04:15:47.083 overlooks the fact that it has become insanely, bizarrely, and I know because I interact with my academic colleagues, we've never encountered a situation like this, where it has become this difficult 04:15:47.623 --> 04:15:49.944 to get anything through peer review. 04:15:50.224 --> 04:15:55.485 And anything that has to do with repurposed drugs is just almost impossible. 04:15:55.505 --> 04:16:00.266 No, but it's easy if you have a study where you claim that the repurposed drug doesn't work. 04:16:00.446 --> 04:16:04.707 So we call that a negative reporting bias. 04:16:05.007 --> 04:16:09.548 And I think there is a number of instances that support 04:16:10.888 --> 04:16:16.613 You know, classically, there's a positive reporting bias, that the negative studies never get published. 04:16:17.313 --> 04:16:19.235 Here at Storybrooke, this is the opposite of that. 04:16:19.315 --> 04:16:34.628 So you're confusing everybody by just not stating it as clearly as Steve did, that it's really easy to publish a negative study about a repurposed drug, and it's very hard to publish a positive study about a repurposed drug with regard to COVID. 04:16:35.028 --> 04:16:37.811 It's really not that difficult to say those words, 04:16:38.925 --> 04:16:40.787 It's really not that difficult to describe it. 04:16:40.807 --> 04:16:57.840 You don't have to call it a negative publication bias where there's normally a positive publication bias, unless the idea is to confuse college kids that are casually listening or to confuse 50 plus year old adults who don't have all the biology and technical jargon in their head. 04:16:58.361 --> 04:17:02.444 Do you hear what Robert Malone is doing here? 04:17:03.705 --> 04:17:04.706 Do you hear it? 04:17:06.587 --> 04:17:07.448 Oh, that's what happened. 04:17:12.754 --> 04:17:15.095 Something froze over here somehow. 04:17:15.375 --> 04:17:17.015 What the hell is this all about? 04:17:17.135 --> 04:17:17.735 Is that better? 04:17:18.635 --> 04:17:19.576 Is this working now? 04:17:20.396 --> 04:17:20.616 No. 04:17:22.516 --> 04:17:23.496 That's what happened. 04:17:27.237 --> 04:17:27.797 I see. 04:17:28.077 --> 04:17:29.218 So I'm going to keep this playing. 04:17:29.258 --> 04:17:29.438 Sorry. 04:17:29.478 --> 04:17:30.498 Classic p-hacking stuff. 04:17:30.518 --> 04:17:30.718 Right. 04:17:30.838 --> 04:17:36.919 We have currently some pretty strong evidence that the script has been flipped. 04:17:37.320 --> 04:17:37.460 Yep. 04:17:38.760 --> 04:17:39.240 Which is 04:17:40.501 --> 04:17:45.623 It is a priori evidence of some kind of corruption of the system, right? 04:17:45.963 --> 04:17:47.344 Or, or it's just an anecdote. 04:17:48.004 --> 04:17:58.949 Well, the point is, what it does is it says the deck is stacked against, uh, for some reason that we don't need to know in order to understand that we have to be alert. 04:17:59.549 --> 04:18:02.130 It was Janet Woodcock and it was also Rick Bright. 04:18:02.170 --> 04:18:04.511 They were in the meetings, um, where that happened. 04:18:04.531 --> 04:18:04.971 You're correct. 04:18:05.273 --> 04:18:06.334 I can't imagine what that would be. 04:18:06.614 --> 04:18:07.914 I want to say a few things. 04:18:08.314 --> 04:18:08.575 OK. 04:18:08.655 --> 04:18:14.717 I want to make sure that before we finish up that we cover the issue of reproductive harm because I feel like we should. 04:18:14.777 --> 04:18:14.857 Sure. 04:18:14.877 --> 04:18:15.137 Yeah. 04:18:15.157 --> 04:18:15.338 Yeah. 04:18:15.378 --> 04:18:15.678 Yeah. 04:18:15.698 --> 04:18:15.978 So OK. 04:18:16.018 --> 04:18:18.579 So let me just say I've been saving this. 04:18:19.720 --> 04:18:20.960 So for in pain. 04:18:21.160 --> 04:18:22.421 So if you get hospitalized 04:18:23.481 --> 04:18:29.027 You know, like Robert just said, oh, you know, the doctors are the front lines, they're coming up with innovative treatments. 04:18:29.447 --> 04:18:41.158 I found it's almost the reverse because someone called me because her husband was in one of our hospitals, El Camino Hospital. 04:18:42.019 --> 04:18:48.452 And she called me for help because he was in bad shape, he was in ICU. 04:18:48.993 --> 04:18:52.961 And so I've known about these drugs, ciproheptadine, and inhaled adenosine. 04:18:53.826 --> 04:19:01.774 And both of these are like for ciprohepatidine, 50% of the time, you give this, it's an antihistamine, right? 04:19:01.954 --> 04:19:05.678 I mean, it's really cheap, eight milligrams, three times a day. 04:19:06.539 --> 04:19:15.368 And you go from, and I posted on this on my Twitter account, you go from lungs, which are like dark, to fully clear in 48 hours. 04:19:16.591 --> 04:19:18.912 And the physicians say, we've never seen anything like this. 04:19:19.292 --> 04:19:20.793 Happens about 50% of the time. 04:19:21.633 --> 04:19:28.776 And so I try to get El Camino Hospital to do this on this patient. 04:19:28.796 --> 04:19:31.877 I said, I'm a friend of the wife. 04:19:31.957 --> 04:19:33.798 She's authorized me to talk to you. 04:19:33.918 --> 04:19:37.360 And he said, well, I have to get that IRB approved. 04:19:38.440 --> 04:19:39.460 And it was like a Saturday. 04:19:39.500 --> 04:19:42.362 So I had to reach out and contact the IRB. 04:19:42.682 --> 04:19:43.302 He doesn't need it. 04:19:44.082 --> 04:19:44.843 I would suggest. 04:19:45.973 --> 04:19:51.216 Honestly, if you want to talk about that, I would suggest that Bret Weinstein wants to be part of the ruling class. 04:19:52.897 --> 04:19:56.799 Bret Weinstein wants to be part of the ruling class, just like a lot of other people do. 04:19:58.360 --> 04:20:04.403 And I think he was given the opportunity to join the ruling class as part of the intellectual dark web. 04:20:05.250 --> 04:20:32.511 with his brother leading the funding to make sure that his podcast and his brother's podcast and Sam Harris's podcast and Joe Rogan's podcast and Shapiro's podcast and the Daily Wire and all these other things were ready and controlled and populated so that when the narrative needed to be controlled, the two sides of the narrative could be crafted the way they wanted to be crafted. 04:20:34.028 --> 04:20:35.728 And this is an extension of that. 04:20:35.808 --> 04:20:40.549 Maybe it's a, maybe it's an adjustment to the plan. 04:20:40.589 --> 04:20:43.630 Maybe they didn't think that they needed to do this, but now they're doing it. 04:20:43.690 --> 04:20:50.452 And so that's why it's still a very haphazardly done rollout of the message. 04:20:50.472 --> 04:20:52.732 They're not sure what message they need to give yet. 04:20:53.812 --> 04:20:55.333 So they're still titrating it out. 04:20:55.373 --> 04:20:57.793 That's why the clones word came up once. 04:20:57.913 --> 04:21:00.894 That's why, that's why these things are, 04:21:02.023 --> 04:21:05.850 not as oiled out with Steve as they are with Robert. 04:21:06.552 --> 04:21:12.303 That's why we're still working through the, what can we really say and not say is still being decided in this video. 04:21:16.312 --> 04:21:17.213 IRB approval. 04:21:17.934 --> 04:21:21.278 But he told me, hey, if you can get an IRB approved, I have no trouble doing it. 04:21:21.679 --> 04:21:22.960 So I get the IRB approval. 04:21:23.140 --> 04:21:25.904 And the IRB guy says, you don't need IRB approval. 04:21:25.944 --> 04:21:26.825 It's a repurposed drug. 04:21:27.465 --> 04:21:28.887 So I tell him that. 04:21:28.967 --> 04:21:29.988 And he says, well, let me check that. 04:21:30.289 --> 04:21:33.693 So he calls the guy just to verify that I was telling him the truth. 04:21:34.113 --> 04:21:36.035 And then he says, yeah, but we're not going to do it. 04:21:37.346 --> 04:21:38.367 And I said, well, why? 04:21:38.407 --> 04:21:39.708 You know, here are all the papers. 04:21:40.008 --> 04:21:41.389 Here's all the justification. 04:21:42.029 --> 04:21:42.990 Why would you not do this? 04:21:43.670 --> 04:21:45.391 And he said, well, we're just not going to do it. 04:21:45.451 --> 04:21:49.794 We convinced the patient not to accept that therapy. 04:21:50.194 --> 04:21:55.478 And it's like, here you go and you give them the treatment on a silver platter. 04:21:56.258 --> 04:22:09.669 and they say no we're not going to do it and it's the same thing for ivermectin right when people have gone to court to force doctors to give ivermectin and the hospital doesn't want to do it because if the hospital 04:22:10.598 --> 04:22:15.241 gives a drug which has not been approved by the NIH. 04:22:15.722 --> 04:22:17.823 They are liable if something happens. 04:22:18.224 --> 04:22:22.807 Because if they follow what the NIH says, then they're clean of liability. 04:22:22.847 --> 04:22:30.132 So the hospital actually doesn't want to give you stuff that would save your life because the NIH is keeping it from you. 04:22:30.192 --> 04:22:31.053 Hang on, Robert. 04:22:31.373 --> 04:22:32.754 I know you want to talk, but hang on. 04:22:34.275 --> 04:22:37.998 Wow, that is pretty condescending shit right there from Steve. 04:22:38.438 --> 04:22:39.199 That's impressive. 04:22:42.321 --> 04:22:51.837 It's interesting because he is making a valid point that if they stay on the CDC protocol, they'll get financial protection and they get legal protection as well, right? 04:22:51.877 --> 04:22:53.941 For not knowing what they're doing, but doing what they're told. 04:22:54.492 --> 04:23:06.695 The other thing is that in a pandemic, another solution rather than the ferrets and animals is just to, doctors are always, the outpatient doctors are always trying new things. 04:23:06.735 --> 04:23:11.456 And so if they reported in to the FDA, that's all we need, right? 04:23:11.496 --> 04:23:21.479 Because you see all the data coming in and you can see, holy moly, the doctors that are giving the ivermectin and fluvoxamine, they've got like no hospitalization. 04:23:22.299 --> 04:23:29.281 Repeatedly and so you can see a signal there and the final thing and then Robert I'll let you talk is that Bruce Patterson. 04:23:29.501 --> 04:23:30.682 That was awesome. 04:23:30.822 --> 04:23:36.844 Is specializing in long-haul COVID and he's found that there are four drugs that are effective for long haulers. 04:23:38.104 --> 04:23:40.745 It's fluvoxamine, ivermectin, 04:23:41.945 --> 04:23:44.907 simvastatin, or statin, and maraviroc. 04:23:45.408 --> 04:23:47.009 Stats. 04:23:47.649 --> 04:23:49.090 I have problems with pronouncing it also. 04:23:49.110 --> 04:23:52.032 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 04:23:52.052 --> 04:23:57.136 And those four drugs, he's found that, well, some people need these two, and other people need these two. 04:23:57.156 --> 04:23:57.516 He's still smiling. 04:23:57.796 --> 04:23:59.237 I have problems with pronouncing it also. 04:23:59.257 --> 04:24:02.179 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 04:24:02.199 --> 04:24:09.564 And those four drugs, he's found... We can't pronounce drug names, and people are dying by the thousands every day from a gain-of-function virus. 04:24:09.664 --> 04:24:10.525 It's pretty funny, right? 04:24:10.985 --> 04:24:36.574 that well some people need like these two and other people need these two and other people need this dose and so forth and he measures the biomarkers so he has a scientific way to tell which of those four but those four drugs he says that if one of his friends gets acute COVID which means you got COVID he says if they take these four drugs right because he knows what works because long-haul COVID is essentially oh I get to experiment on you until I cure you 04:24:37.214 --> 04:24:45.163 And then, so he says, hey, if this works in long-haul COVID, then isn't that interesting that ivermectin works in acute COVID? 04:24:45.444 --> 04:24:47.946 And isn't it interesting that fluoxamine works in acute COVID? 04:24:48.187 --> 04:24:50.830 So if I was running ACTIV6, 04:24:52.231 --> 04:24:56.532 I would take Bruce up on the offer and I would use all four of these drugs. 04:24:56.552 --> 04:24:58.633 Okay, so I can speak to that too. 04:24:58.753 --> 04:24:58.973 Okay. 04:24:59.893 --> 04:25:01.154 So you hit on three things. 04:25:01.174 --> 04:25:01.934 Let's see if I can remember. 04:25:02.154 --> 04:25:03.974 Active six was one. 04:25:04.074 --> 04:25:04.475 What is that? 04:25:05.195 --> 04:25:05.615 We'll get there. 04:25:05.775 --> 04:25:06.415 Okay. 04:25:06.935 --> 04:25:12.717 One is the inherent paradox of the disincentives for hospitals. 04:25:13.669 --> 04:25:13.809 Yep. 04:25:14.149 --> 04:25:14.329 Okay. 04:25:14.669 --> 04:25:14.829 Right. 04:25:15.250 --> 04:25:17.770 Um, uh, and I figured what the third one was. 04:25:18.251 --> 04:25:41.379 Um, so let me just do the two that I, that I, that I remember, um, on that the hospital has two components and, and, oh, well the third one is, I just wanted to acknowledge what a pleasure it is, um, interacting with you because you often, oh, I remember now the third one, you often independently arrive at the same position, which kind of is validating. 04:25:41.499 --> 04:25:41.679 Yeah. 04:25:42.219 --> 04:25:42.299 Um, 04:25:42.839 --> 04:25:46.381 that the team that I work with at the DOD comes to. 04:25:47.201 --> 04:26:01.009 I work closely with a team at the Defense Threat Reduction Agency in the Joint Science and Technology Office that's specifically focused on coming up with systems to allow rapid response for outbreaks and engineered pathogens 04:26:12.495 --> 04:26:13.176 for warfighters. 04:26:13.216 --> 04:26:13.816 That's our mission. 04:26:13.936 --> 04:26:15.938 So hold on, I want to highlight something. 04:26:16.258 --> 04:26:18.700 What you said will be misinterpreted by some people. 04:26:19.060 --> 04:26:31.510 When somebody else arrives at the same position, yes, that's very nice and validating, but what you're really saying is if somebody arrives at the same position from a different starting point, it's very likely that that position has a great deal of merit, right? 04:26:31.610 --> 04:26:35.613 It's a signal that the thing is actually robust because it doesn't matter where you start, you land there. 04:26:36.093 --> 04:26:36.394 Just so. 04:26:36.734 --> 04:26:37.114 Well put. 04:26:37.314 --> 04:26:37.634 Thank you. 04:26:37.935 --> 04:26:38.615 Okay. 04:26:41.021 --> 04:27:05.960 The comment that you made about actually really saying is if the DOD comes to, okay, I work closely with a team at the Defense Threat Reduction Agency in the Joint Science and Technology Office that specifically focus... So he called it DOD at first, then he says DTRA, and it's about, you know, finding systems to deal with biotechnology for the warfighter in the field. 04:27:06.736 --> 04:27:13.703 on coming up with systems to allow rapid response for outbreaks and engineered pathogens for warfighters. 04:27:13.723 --> 04:27:14.364 That's our mission. 04:27:14.944 --> 04:27:16.466 I want to highlight something. 04:27:16.786 --> 04:27:19.208 What you said will be misinterpreted by some people. 04:27:19.729 --> 04:27:22.071 He also said engineered pathogens. 04:27:23.112 --> 04:27:33.940 the technology office that's specifically focused on coming up with systems to allow rapid response for outbreaks and engineered pathogens for warfighters. 04:27:34.160 --> 04:27:39.804 So what if there aren't any real engineered pathogens that we need to be worried about except for synthetic viruses? 04:27:39.864 --> 04:27:40.705 Is that what he means? 04:27:42.171 --> 04:27:47.393 Or is he seeding the narrative that there are synthetic pathogens and that this could be one of them? 04:27:47.413 --> 04:27:49.734 You see, it's very clever what's happening here. 04:27:49.754 --> 04:27:50.395 It's our mission. 04:27:50.515 --> 04:27:52.516 So hold on, I want to highlight something. 04:27:52.836 --> 04:27:55.277 What you said will be misinterpreted by some people. 04:27:55.637 --> 04:27:59.098 When somebody else arrives at the same position, yes, that's very nice and validating. 04:27:59.138 --> 04:28:07.582 But what you're really saying is if somebody arrives at the same position from a different starting point, it's very likely that that position has a great deal of merit. 04:28:08.163 --> 04:28:12.190 It's a signal that the thing is actually robust because it doesn't matter where you start, you land there. 04:28:12.651 --> 04:28:12.951 Just so. 04:28:13.312 --> 04:28:13.672 Well put. 04:28:13.893 --> 04:28:14.153 Thank you. 04:28:17.594 --> 04:28:34.827 The comment that you made about setting up a system to enable patient-reported outcomes and physician-reported outcomes on a national or global basis is a profound statement. 04:28:35.848 --> 04:28:37.369 We have nothing like that. 04:28:38.069 --> 04:28:44.134 My friends at the FDA also came to that conclusion, and they're frustrated because it doesn't exist. 04:28:47.215 --> 04:28:48.716 My friends at the FDA again. 04:28:49.816 --> 04:28:52.837 We have, you know, you come from the Silicon Valley culture. 04:28:55.057 --> 04:29:03.720 And that culture gives us, as a nation, some incredible tools, including machine learning and artificial intelligence and deep learning. 04:29:04.820 --> 04:29:14.743 And if we were to set up a system, as you're proposing, to enable distributed capture 04:29:15.700 --> 04:29:25.948 of primary reports from practicing physicians and then apply our amazing toolkit now for analysis of that. 04:29:26.969 --> 04:29:39.619 It is probably one of the strongest things that we could do that would have the lowest cost in terms of being able to identify and discriminate signal and noise from novel interventions. 04:29:39.659 --> 04:29:40.420 So that's that one. 04:29:40.660 --> 04:29:42.021 Good job, we agree. 04:29:42.958 --> 04:29:56.491 And if you did it here, if you had that in place here, it would have identified a kit of, it sounds like four drugs that between them are essentially sufficient, which is amazing because frankly, antivirals that actually work and are safe. 04:29:56.511 --> 04:29:59.174 So it's curious because he's not saying domain here. 04:29:59.214 --> 04:30:05.540 And he's not saying that they used an AI to find the drugs that they identified as remdesivir and other things. 04:30:05.580 --> 04:30:06.922 He's not saying that right now. 04:30:08.325 --> 04:30:20.994 But he's suggesting that it's cool that Steve suggested of setting up a system to capture the reports from physicians and then use AI or machine learning to extract from that data meaningful interpretations. 04:30:22.755 --> 04:30:28.399 Sounds a lot like trying to give up our sovereignty in order to get us out of a mess. 04:30:29.920 --> 04:30:37.666 Sounds like trying to give up our genetic data and our medical data to get us out of a mess, to use AI to get us out of a mess. 04:30:39.716 --> 04:30:43.417 Sounds like a bunch of transhuman hocus pocus to me there, Robert. 04:30:44.518 --> 04:30:46.758 Well, there's a reason for that we can unpack, but let's not. 04:30:46.778 --> 04:30:47.639 I want to get down to it. 04:30:47.659 --> 04:30:49.799 But amazing that with this pandemic, that actually. 04:30:49.819 --> 04:30:54.621 So hospitals, hospitals, you've identified one of the structural disincentives. 04:30:56.109 --> 04:30:57.330 which is legal liability. 04:30:57.370 --> 04:31:00.412 And remember who the cops are that are enforcing this. 04:31:01.272 --> 04:31:02.233 It's administrators. 04:31:02.433 --> 04:31:03.233 It's not docs. 04:31:04.774 --> 04:31:06.836 So what you have is MBAs. 04:31:06.876 --> 04:31:07.796 They're not allowed to. 04:31:08.036 --> 04:31:12.939 MBAs controlling the practice of medicine and the use of alternative drugs. 04:31:13.019 --> 04:31:19.243 The other disincentive they have, and this is really coming out of the federal treasury. 04:31:19.363 --> 04:31:21.284 This is coming out of your tax dollars. 04:31:22.225 --> 04:31:22.465 Okay. 04:31:23.166 --> 04:31:41.985 Is that, um, they don't make the same compensation if, if they're, if they prescribe remdesivir, you know, six or 8,000 bucks pop, um, for treatment course versus they prescribe ivermectin. 04:31:43.527 --> 04:31:44.608 Okay. 04:31:44.628 --> 04:31:46.108 12 bucks a dose or something. 04:31:46.529 --> 04:31:47.769 They're not making the same nickel. 04:31:48.170 --> 04:31:48.430 Right. 04:31:48.890 --> 04:31:52.712 So there's a legal liability structural disincentive. 04:31:52.772 --> 04:31:53.713 Yeah, it's a disincentive. 04:31:53.773 --> 04:31:55.814 And there is a financial disincentive. 04:31:57.475 --> 04:31:58.955 Now, what was the third one we were talking about? 04:31:58.975 --> 04:32:03.358 See, now we keep using these words that confuse people like disincentive, this kind of thing. 04:32:03.398 --> 04:32:05.039 Why not just say it very clearly? 04:32:05.119 --> 04:32:06.759 Remdesivir is more profitable. 04:32:09.401 --> 04:32:10.902 Why not just say it clearly? 04:32:11.678 --> 04:32:18.042 If the goal is to inform people, why do people like Brett Weinstein and Robert Malone talk the way that they talk? 04:32:19.103 --> 04:32:20.764 Just ask yourself that question. 04:32:21.124 --> 04:32:22.505 It doesn't make it any easier. 04:32:24.247 --> 04:32:26.808 Would it help if I use bigger words like these guys? 04:32:26.888 --> 04:32:31.291 If I use those disincentive and dispositive proof and all this other crap? 04:32:32.012 --> 04:32:32.652 Of course not. 04:32:34.073 --> 04:32:38.016 I'm not trying to reach those high level elite readers. 04:32:39.502 --> 04:32:41.704 I'm trying to reach average Joe and Jane. 04:32:41.784 --> 04:32:58.495 I'm trying to reach the average person on the street that's not a biological expert, that's dabbled in telomere biology and immunology and evolutionary biology as the perfect toolkit to interpret the pandemic biology. 04:33:00.196 --> 04:33:02.958 So who are these guys talking to when they talk like this? 04:33:03.899 --> 04:33:05.480 That's your question you need to ask. 04:33:08.444 --> 04:33:11.341 the other big theme that you were hitting on. 04:33:12.039 --> 04:33:14.660 which I've now lost because I got lost in the hospital world. 04:33:14.700 --> 04:33:19.181 I was talking about long COVID and the fact that, uh, it's a place to test. 04:33:19.201 --> 04:33:20.861 You've got a bunch of different tools. 04:33:22.542 --> 04:33:24.582 Um, yeah, so no, I've lost that. 04:33:25.163 --> 04:33:26.043 Well, hold on. 04:33:26.283 --> 04:33:35.785 Um, before we go to reproductive, uh, before we go to reproductive harms, damn, I've now lost what I was going to say. 04:33:36.226 --> 04:33:37.746 I could give you my, my paper. 04:33:38.026 --> 04:33:40.807 Um, but, uh, there's another, uh, drug, um, 04:33:41.807 --> 04:33:46.150 which we funded the work on, which is GS441524. 04:33:46.990 --> 04:33:48.591 And this is an antiviral. 04:33:48.831 --> 04:33:52.293 It's, in fact, sort of the precursor to remdesivir. 04:33:52.834 --> 04:33:55.695 And it works really, really well. 04:33:55.995 --> 04:34:01.239 But it's being pursued by Victoria Yan, who's just an individual. 04:34:01.279 --> 04:34:04.741 And so she's raised some money privately to do this. 04:34:07.742 --> 04:34:22.008 A long hauler essentially got this drug and the long hauler said, oh my God, I have been a long hauler for like six months, I have been in pain, I can't get out of, and a week 04:34:23.235 --> 04:34:31.664 Or it was like three days after taking this gs4 4 1 5 2 4 she said like I Have I like back to normal. 04:34:32.025 --> 04:34:40.434 I have never seen say, you know, it's like it was Couldn't believe it right, you know and and Gilead is doing nothing, right? 04:34:40.454 --> 04:34:40.474 I 04:34:41.134 --> 04:34:41.755 On this drug. 04:34:41.855 --> 04:35:05.451 I mean it's crazy and it's much safer than remdesivir It's easier much easier to produce and yet the Gilead has totally dropped the ball on This thing which was transformative for this long haul so somehow there's enough bias in this system to shut down Anything generic cheap and safe and to amplify things that are dangerous news still under patent can understand it's multifactorial, right? 04:35:05.491 --> 04:35:06.431 It's multifactorial now. 04:35:06.491 --> 04:35:06.932 Here's the thing. 04:35:06.972 --> 04:35:10.134 I forgot I've come back up with it the 04:35:10.874 --> 04:35:12.636 I was talking to Pierre Corey about this. 04:35:13.276 --> 04:35:17.299 There's something that bugs me about what doctors once were and what they've become. 04:35:17.780 --> 04:35:22.223 And my sense is doctors, you know, I used the example of Frontier doctors when I was talking to him. 04:35:22.984 --> 04:35:25.766 Frontier doctors had a lot fewer tools at their disposal, right? 04:35:25.806 --> 04:35:29.589 A lot less knowledge about what could be done, a lot fewer drugs, right? 04:35:29.969 --> 04:35:33.834 But what they had was the ability to interact with patients. 04:35:33.854 --> 04:35:40.522 The house call led you to see the context in which somebody was sick, led you to see the pattern of sickness in a neighborhood. 04:35:40.562 --> 04:35:42.745 There are all kinds of things that you might detect. 04:35:42.825 --> 04:35:43.787 Classical diagnosis. 04:35:44.067 --> 04:35:44.227 Right. 04:35:44.307 --> 04:35:46.410 And the point is, doctors were scientists. 04:35:46.770 --> 04:35:46.950 right? 04:35:47.291 --> 04:36:01.403 They may have been informal scientists but they were in a position to experiment and tinker and you give the patient a hypothesis and it's right it doesn't really work and you've got something's bugging you in the back of your mind that actually this looks more like that and so you try the thing that works on that and lo and behold the person gets better. 04:36:02.203 --> 04:36:21.169 That kind of scientific doctoring is shut down by exactly the processes you're talking about the lies The the the liability sensitivity of the hospital right the the the FDA Broadcasting, you know checklists are on high all of these things are resulting in the information that would be screwed 04:36:21.169 --> 04:36:33.864 screaming at us if each doctor was having the same patients and you know they sit down at lunch with their buddy and they say you know I've got this patient I don't know what to do oh I had one of those and here's what I did and it worked and then you know the point is it would spread. 04:36:33.904 --> 04:36:41.413 It's not only that it shut down structurally but the new wrinkle now is communication about it is forbidden. 04:36:42.014 --> 04:36:42.234 Right. 04:36:42.855 --> 04:36:46.820 It prevents the natural accumulation of information that would make us smarter. 04:36:47.020 --> 04:36:48.962 And people don't believe it, too. 04:36:49.302 --> 04:36:54.368 And when I see, like, there's a case of a doctor who I finally convinced to use fluvoxin. 04:36:54.808 --> 04:36:56.791 So he says, okay, fine, I'll use it in my practice. 04:36:57.271 --> 04:37:02.537 It'll be, if you're over 65, you have multiple risk factors, and you have symptoms and, you know, 04:37:02.997 --> 04:37:08.562 You're in bad shape then only then will I use it and it's this is like are you kidding me, right? 04:37:08.582 --> 04:37:11.685 You're supposed to use it as soon as the patient presents, right? 04:37:11.985 --> 04:37:18.991 And you're supposed to use it even you should be even using it on kids because I mean the tragedy is that There's a doctor. 04:37:19.032 --> 04:37:20.473 I know that said oh you're a kid. 04:37:20.493 --> 04:37:21.814 I'm not gonna give you anything, right? 04:37:21.914 --> 04:37:27.177 Well, fluvoxamine is really a very mild drug. 04:37:27.798 --> 04:37:37.023 And what happened is that the 17-year-old developed Tourette's syndrome as a result of the long-haul COVID. 04:37:37.804 --> 04:37:40.485 And so this doctor said, OK, I learned my lesson. 04:37:41.006 --> 04:37:42.907 I am going to treat even the kids. 04:37:42.967 --> 04:37:43.947 Can he say that? 04:37:44.047 --> 04:37:46.169 Can he say that it's a really mild drug? 04:37:46.209 --> 04:37:48.130 It's an SSRI inhibitor. 04:37:48.590 --> 04:37:52.553 To give an SSRI inhibitor to the developing brain of a teenager. 04:37:55.156 --> 04:37:56.777 To stop long COVID. 04:37:58.496 --> 04:38:00.037 to use prophylactically. 04:38:00.117 --> 04:38:06.041 This kind of advocation for a drug known to cross the blood brain barrier is absurd. 04:38:06.682 --> 04:38:07.763 It's absurd. 04:38:08.323 --> 04:38:09.384 It's absurd. 04:38:09.864 --> 04:38:20.292 Can I tell you how much I think it is absurd that Steve is so focused on this one substance and no other one? 04:38:21.413 --> 04:38:27.557 Can I tell you how absurd it is that Brett Weinstein is focused on ivermectin and not one other one? 04:38:33.826 --> 04:38:37.369 And so you have the physicians who are like, oh, can't do any harm. 04:38:37.389 --> 04:38:39.150 We'll only treat you if you're necessary. 04:38:39.551 --> 04:38:41.012 But this is a virus. 04:38:41.032 --> 04:38:44.074 You always treat viruses early. 04:38:44.174 --> 04:38:47.877 It's like if you had a fire right here on your laptop, you'd be like this. 04:38:47.917 --> 04:38:50.940 I would need a randomized controlled trial to see if water would help. 04:38:51.480 --> 04:38:52.301 Right. 04:38:52.321 --> 04:38:58.246 The 17-year-old developed a really very mild drug. 04:38:59.867 --> 04:39:02.789 What happened is that... A very mild drug. 04:39:02.809 --> 04:39:08.153 The 17-year-old developed Tourette's syndrome as a result of the long-haul COVID. 04:39:08.673 --> 04:39:12.296 And so Tourette's syndrome comes from long COVID, is what Steve says. 04:39:13.296 --> 04:39:17.559 And if he would have used the SSRI inhibitor on that kid, he wouldn't have it. 04:39:19.561 --> 04:39:20.281 Do you hear him? 04:39:20.301 --> 04:39:21.702 Do you see what they're doing here? 04:39:21.742 --> 04:39:22.843 It's constant. 04:39:22.863 --> 04:39:23.904 They're not stopping. 04:39:25.776 --> 04:39:28.457 And so this doctor said, OK, I learned my lesson. 04:39:28.977 --> 04:39:30.878 I am going to treat even the kids. 04:39:31.198 --> 04:39:34.739 And so you have the physicians who are like, oh, can't do any harm. 04:39:34.759 --> 04:39:36.520 We'll only treat you if you're necessary. 04:39:36.920 --> 04:39:38.380 But this is a virus. 04:39:38.400 --> 04:39:39.861 You always treat viruses 04:39:40.621 --> 04:40:08.337 early quickly it's like it's like if you had a fire right here on your laptop you'd you'd be like i would need a randomized controlled trial to see if water would help right no no but it's a it's a reasonable metaphor you take the glass of water and put out the fire you wouldn't like wait and wait and wait and wait oh yeah it's really big now right you'll call the fire department all right i want to push back in one place okay and it's not so we know that's true about remdesivir we know that they have data that shows that remdesivir doesn't do anything 04:40:09.471 --> 04:40:14.404 for the survival rate unless you use it early, but are they mentioning that now in September of 2021? 04:40:14.444 --> 04:40:14.544 No. 04:40:14.564 --> 04:40:14.605 No. 04:40:23.377 --> 04:40:24.177 serious pushback. 04:40:24.197 --> 04:40:25.398 I think what you found is right. 04:40:25.418 --> 04:40:27.858 I'm compelled that we've got multiple drugs that work, okay? 04:40:28.198 --> 04:40:33.820 I'm a little nervous about fluvoxamine because it's an SSRI, and so I know it's gonna have cognitive implications. 04:40:33.920 --> 04:40:35.140 Not in 14 days. 04:40:35.680 --> 04:40:42.962 Maybe not, but the point is I'm a little cautious about it because I know it's interacting with systems that we ideally would like not to mess with. 04:40:43.122 --> 04:40:45.062 Don't take coffee when you're taking fluvoxamine. 04:40:45.422 --> 04:40:47.023 Okay, but here's my point, right? 04:40:48.126 --> 04:40:52.631 we've got a drug that seems to have no serious interactions with other systems. 04:40:52.711 --> 04:40:54.773 And so it should be your go-to first. 04:40:55.113 --> 04:40:58.236 If you've got fog, maybe fluvoxamine is the go-to. 04:40:58.256 --> 04:40:59.738 No, no, no, no, no. 04:40:59.958 --> 04:41:11.250 And the reason for that is that this, you're, you're thinking that this virus should be treated, you know, tenderly and gingerly and let's only put, you know, remember David Hope? 04:41:12.270 --> 04:41:13.371 You remember David's sister? 04:41:13.831 --> 04:41:16.692 AIDS, the guy that came up with multi-drug combinations for AIDS. 04:41:17.053 --> 04:41:18.693 It's early and hard. 04:41:19.554 --> 04:41:24.136 And so the point is that COVID is so deceptive. 04:41:24.216 --> 04:41:25.757 It's not the right analogy, and here's why. 04:41:26.017 --> 04:41:26.437 OK. 04:41:26.858 --> 04:41:27.318 Here's why. 04:41:27.438 --> 04:41:34.442 Because the problem with AIDS was as a retrovirus, 04:41:35.402 --> 04:41:38.905 you had an impossibly fast rate of evolution. 04:41:39.465 --> 04:41:43.148 And so the reason you hit it with three drugs is that it can evolve in three directions at once. 04:41:43.288 --> 04:41:43.469 Yeah. 04:41:43.569 --> 04:41:43.689 Right. 04:41:43.969 --> 04:41:46.051 And so the point is, should I miss that? 04:41:46.071 --> 04:41:46.771 I'm going to go back. 04:41:46.811 --> 04:41:47.172 Sorry. 04:41:47.932 --> 04:41:51.055 We're going for the five hour marathon, six hour marathon. 04:41:51.115 --> 04:41:55.578 No, I want to hear the Dr. Steve have cognitive implications, not not in 14 days. 04:41:56.599 --> 04:42:02.622 Maybe not, but the point is I'm a little cautious about it because I know it's interacting with systems that we ideally would like not to mess with. 04:42:02.862 --> 04:42:05.983 Don't, yeah, don't take coffee when you're taking Fluboxamine. 04:42:06.343 --> 04:42:07.964 Okay, but here's my point, right? 04:42:09.045 --> 04:42:13.568 We've got a drug that seems to have no serious interactions with other systems. 04:42:13.828 --> 04:42:15.710 And so it should be your go-to first. 04:42:16.030 --> 04:42:19.152 If you've got fog, maybe fluvoxamine is the go-to. 04:42:19.192 --> 04:42:20.653 No, no, no, no. 04:42:20.873 --> 04:42:32.181 And the reason for that is that you're thinking that this virus should be treated, you know, tenderly and gingerly and let's only put, you know, remember David Hope? 04:42:33.188 --> 04:42:34.149 You remember David Ho, right? 04:42:34.749 --> 04:42:37.630 AIDS, the guy that came up with multi-drug combinations for AIDS. 04:42:37.991 --> 04:42:39.631 It's early and hard. 04:42:40.472 --> 04:42:44.394 And so the point is that COVID is so deceptive. 04:42:45.134 --> 04:42:46.695 It's not the right analogy, and here's why. 04:42:46.955 --> 04:42:47.375 OK. 04:42:47.776 --> 04:42:48.256 Here's why. 04:42:48.376 --> 04:42:55.380 Because the problem with AIDS was, as a retrovirus, 04:42:56.340 --> 04:42:59.843 you had an impossibly fast rate of evolution. 04:43:00.383 --> 04:43:04.086 And so the reason you hit it with three drugs is that it can't evolve in three directions at once. 04:43:04.226 --> 04:43:04.406 Yeah. 04:43:04.466 --> 04:43:04.606 Right? 04:43:04.906 --> 04:43:11.911 And so the point is, it's like, you know, one of these military things where you've got guns on three islands and it stifles the enemy. 04:43:12.212 --> 04:43:15.634 In this case... I'm sorry, but I'm actually shocked by what Brett's saying. 04:43:15.754 --> 04:43:20.037 I don't think Brett knows Jack about the evolutionary rate of AIDS. 04:43:21.478 --> 04:43:23.480 And how the evolutionary rate of AIDS 04:43:25.091 --> 04:43:28.513 factors into the infection and its time course. 04:43:28.593 --> 04:43:36.276 So the idea that he's saying that the AIDS virus has an impossibly fast rate of evolution is ridiculous. 04:43:37.536 --> 04:43:38.517 Ridiculous. 04:43:40.461 --> 04:43:46.003 No evidence that I'm aware of that there's actually any evolution away from the kind of protection you get from ivermectin. 04:43:46.664 --> 04:43:50.305 And so the point is, if ivermectin works, you've got an evolution. 04:43:50.365 --> 04:43:51.086 No, no, no. 04:43:51.246 --> 04:43:53.006 OK, so here's my counter argument. 04:43:53.106 --> 04:43:54.907 OK, Robert, you can go next. 04:43:54.967 --> 04:43:55.267 OK. 04:43:56.168 --> 04:43:57.548 So my counter argument is this. 04:43:58.069 --> 04:43:59.569 So let's take an anecdote. 04:43:59.889 --> 04:44:02.611 OK, let's take Dr. Drew. 04:44:03.411 --> 04:44:04.631 Dr. Drew, he's a doctor. 04:44:05.432 --> 04:44:06.632 He knows what he's doing. 04:44:07.132 --> 04:44:07.753 He got COVID. 04:44:08.744 --> 04:44:14.607 and he went for the monoclonal, he got it early, and he went for ivermectin. 04:44:17.409 --> 04:44:20.030 He went for the monoclonal and he went for ivermectin. 04:44:20.851 --> 04:44:21.351 That was his treatment. 04:44:21.371 --> 04:44:22.532 He didn't do fluoxamine at all. 04:44:23.410 --> 04:44:24.191 Guess what happened to him? 04:44:24.771 --> 04:44:27.594 Well, I'm trying to figure out whether there's any reason to expect. 04:44:28.154 --> 04:44:31.037 I don't think that the monoclonal is going to interact with the ivermectin. 04:44:31.097 --> 04:44:31.618 No, it doesn't. 04:44:31.638 --> 04:44:32.779 They both point to the same thing. 04:44:33.139 --> 04:44:33.539 It doesn't. 04:44:33.619 --> 04:44:33.820 Yeah. 04:44:34.140 --> 04:44:34.440 Right? 04:44:34.760 --> 04:44:35.001 OK. 04:44:35.121 --> 04:44:39.084 Because I think the antiviral for ivermectin is fairly modest. 04:44:39.144 --> 04:44:40.005 But OK. 04:44:40.205 --> 04:44:41.226 So he took those two drugs. 04:44:41.446 --> 04:44:41.607 Yeah. 04:44:41.707 --> 04:44:42.347 Guess what happened? 04:44:43.268 --> 04:44:43.909 He kept getting sick. 04:44:44.628 --> 04:44:45.008 No. 04:44:45.048 --> 04:44:46.629 Well, he ended up with long-haul COVID. 04:44:47.570 --> 04:44:53.773 So the point is that this is a very, very serious virus. 04:44:54.253 --> 04:44:57.254 And people are treating it like it's a regular virus. 04:44:57.554 --> 04:45:01.617 Now, I agree with you about HIV and how it's different. 04:45:01.977 --> 04:45:11.561 But David Ho's point should still be the same for this virus in that we should not go and say, like undertreat it. 04:45:12.922 --> 04:45:14.943 If we have safe, effective drug. 04:45:15.003 --> 04:45:17.945 Right, too slow is an error in and of itself, you're right. 04:45:17.965 --> 04:45:28.772 Right, and so in Pierre Khoury's FLCC protocol, they say, well start with ivermectin, but if you're getting worse over two days, then give the fluvoxamine. 04:45:29.372 --> 04:45:34.335 And that's not right, because fluvoxamine, it's not the mental drug. 04:45:34.656 --> 04:45:37.898 It activates sigma-1, which calms down the inflammation. 04:45:38.258 --> 04:45:57.191 And the thing you do not want is- I think the reason why they don't talk about monoclonal antibodies is that they actually work for a brief period of time, and because they're extremely expensive to design and produce, and because they require hospitalization and injection to work. 04:45:58.317 --> 04:46:01.700 So they work in the context of a war fighter. 04:46:02.521 --> 04:46:07.085 They work in the context of somebody you're sparing no expense to save. 04:46:08.526 --> 04:46:11.749 They don't work so much in the context of a general treatment. 04:46:12.890 --> 04:46:22.099 And if you apply an antibody that's not appropriate for the pathogen that you have, you could potentially have a bad reaction or a negative reaction to it. 04:46:23.376 --> 04:46:28.984 I don't think monoclonals are bad, they're just kludgy, as Robert Malone has said many times. 04:46:29.429 --> 04:46:31.210 inflammation in the brain. 04:46:31.290 --> 04:46:34.292 And this is what Dr. Drew suffered from. 04:46:34.653 --> 04:46:38.075 So yes, ivermectin is great, but it's not 100%. 04:46:38.135 --> 04:46:42.958 And once we have a combo, which is 100%. 04:46:42.998 --> 04:46:54.726 And so he's advocating for the fact that his drug of choice, fluvoxamine, crosses the blood-brain barrier, but never gives a mechanistic explanation for how it reduces the effect of long COVID. 04:46:54.746 --> 04:46:56.227 So it's very, very, 04:46:57.711 --> 04:47:02.093 He's missing a lot of biology if he's gonna advocate for that drug. 04:47:02.133 --> 04:47:08.715 He's missing a lot of biology if he's gonna advocate for a less than perfect response. 04:47:08.775 --> 04:47:09.736 It's just annoying. 04:47:11.376 --> 04:47:14.778 Then we can go and say, okay, we're done. 04:47:15.178 --> 04:47:17.299 You've compelled me, right? 04:47:17.479 --> 04:47:24.922 And the answer is my concern, which is real, is minor in comparison to the hazard of COVID. 04:47:25.782 --> 04:47:31.125 Correct, because he was in terrible shape. 04:47:32.006 --> 04:47:35.708 And I said, look, Dr. Drew, you should try the fluvoxamine. 04:47:36.368 --> 04:47:39.450 And I kept beating on him like every time I was on his show. 04:47:40.031 --> 04:47:42.512 And he finally got the fluvoxamine. 04:47:43.052 --> 04:47:45.874 And he said, wow, this is like really game changing. 04:47:46.194 --> 04:47:49.156 And I said, yeah, you know, doctors are the worst patients, aren't they? 04:47:49.676 --> 04:47:49.836 Right. 04:47:50.176 --> 04:48:10.213 So the point is, and so again, we have an anecdotal story about the effectiveness of an SSRI on long COVID as an anecdotal story that it should also work on regular COVID and, and Robert's just sitting there with his finger in the air and both Steve Kirsch and, and 04:48:12.202 --> 04:48:21.911 Brett Weinstein agree that the hazards of COVID are much greater than the hazards of using an SSRI or any other experimental therapy. 04:48:22.512 --> 04:48:28.978 Even transfection is worth the risk because of the hazards of COVID. 04:48:30.960 --> 04:48:32.261 These people are responsible. 04:48:33.618 --> 04:48:42.707 that treat this virus like your life depended on it because you don't want to have any kind of inflammation in your brain. 04:48:42.747 --> 04:48:43.067 All right. 04:48:43.087 --> 04:48:46.190 So I'm compelled and I would say ivermectin is a prophylactic. 04:48:46.290 --> 04:48:47.411 I think that's a slam dunk. 04:48:47.571 --> 04:48:51.295 Treating it with the drugs you've got that work in some reasonable combination is a slam dunk. 04:48:52.506 --> 04:48:53.947 The third point was active six. 04:48:54.487 --> 04:48:54.647 Okay. 04:48:54.687 --> 04:48:55.048 Oh, right. 04:48:55.348 --> 04:48:55.628 Okay. 04:48:55.828 --> 04:48:57.970 And it's germane, it's, it's germane to this. 04:48:57.990 --> 04:48:58.410 Okay. 04:48:58.810 --> 04:48:59.010 Okay. 04:48:59.571 --> 04:49:02.673 A statement was Steve suggested the obvious. 04:49:04.034 --> 04:49:06.335 Why don't you do trials with these drug combinations? 04:49:07.916 --> 04:49:08.517 Okay. 04:49:08.557 --> 04:49:09.257 So agents. 04:49:09.337 --> 04:49:12.760 So for me, this isn't a theoretical, I'm living it. 04:49:13.260 --> 04:49:15.241 I've been living it for the last nine months. 04:49:15.261 --> 04:49:16.582 Okay. 04:49:16.682 --> 04:49:22.026 I've been trying to advance a two drug and three drug strategy with us government funding. 04:49:22.806 --> 04:49:39.393 Through the FDA because my the source of this capital is coming through the Department of Defense We have to be very rigorous about ensuring human subject safety FDA compliance all that we got to do everything by the book That's the way it is in the DOD these days. 04:49:40.013 --> 04:49:40.794 Not like it used to be. 04:49:40.814 --> 04:49:44.035 Okay, we're really rigorous So we're living it 04:49:45.546 --> 04:49:55.948 I can tell you that the barriers to proceeding with clinical research in either inpatient or outpatient environments for repurposed multi-drug strategies are immense. 04:49:57.088 --> 04:50:06.770 The agency is requiring that we do the full portfolio of drug interaction studies before we are allowed to proceed. 04:50:07.670 --> 04:50:10.411 That's nine to 12 months worth of stuff. 04:50:11.551 --> 04:50:21.298 And in our case, it's for drug combinations that we already have data on substantial numbers of patients because of the things I was talking about, docs tinkering. 04:50:23.720 --> 04:50:33.307 So this idea, which is totally valid and has guided us from the get-go, that we would build, we would learn from David Ho. 04:50:34.728 --> 04:50:37.689 And we would use a multi-drug strategy. 04:50:37.749 --> 04:50:45.932 In this case, for repurposed drugs, what we have is a rich library of capabilities relates to anti-inflammatories. 04:50:46.072 --> 04:50:52.075 Almost all the agents you've been talking about are acting at the level of anti-inflammatories, not antivirals. 04:50:52.155 --> 04:50:54.235 Why are we not focused on antivirals? 04:50:55.876 --> 04:50:58.437 Tamiflu is the best way I can express that. 04:50:59.224 --> 04:51:11.354 The history, long history of coming up with strategies for treating pulmonary viral infections at the level of an antiviral agent is horrible. 04:51:12.174 --> 04:51:13.615 It basically doesn't work. 04:51:13.656 --> 04:51:15.097 It's a strategy that doesn't work. 04:51:15.237 --> 04:51:15.777 Why not? 04:51:16.418 --> 04:51:18.660 Because it's too hard to get it early. 04:51:19.080 --> 04:51:20.401 And that's what you gotta do. 04:51:20.861 --> 04:51:21.442 Okay? 04:51:21.802 --> 04:51:26.446 And what- So he's advocating, I think he's using this active six thing 04:51:27.854 --> 04:51:31.497 as the HIV reference for using multi-drugs. 04:51:31.517 --> 04:51:38.522 And then he says that he's advocating for two and three drug treatments, but the DOD has to go by the book because they're very rigorous in the DOD. 04:51:39.223 --> 04:51:42.105 So they have to do a full portfolio on drug interactions. 04:51:43.226 --> 04:51:46.108 And so we should be learning from HIV and from David Ho. 04:51:47.169 --> 04:51:54.474 And why aren't we all, in addition to using anti-inflammatories, why aren't we using antivirals like Tamiflu? 04:51:54.494 --> 04:51:55.215 It's a really 04:51:56.769 --> 04:51:59.091 It's a really strange situation we're in. 04:51:59.872 --> 04:52:10.943 What you're doing with fluvoxamine, what we're doing with our agents that we're trying to get through the FDA, and perhaps we'll launch in India soon, is that we're attacking the second phase. 04:52:11.940 --> 04:52:14.762 COVID is a hyper-inflammatory response. 04:52:14.962 --> 04:52:16.603 It's not the virus that kills you. 04:52:17.024 --> 04:52:19.305 It's your response to the virus, okay? 04:52:19.646 --> 04:52:24.789 And the good news that, I'm sorry, I'm gonna criticize Tony. 04:52:25.370 --> 04:52:26.450 I didn't wanna go there. 04:52:27.671 --> 04:52:37.979 The thought leaders that have set public strategy in the drug space have decided 04:52:39.884 --> 04:52:43.705 to a large part to emphasize direct acting antivirals. 04:52:45.305 --> 04:53:04.210 And they have sought... It's a very interesting segue he does here because he's talking about antivirals, but what he really should be mentioning is that they have decided to use seroprevalence and the presence of antibodies as a proxy for generating immunity to an immunization. 04:53:06.190 --> 04:53:08.911 That's what he should be saying we have been broken by. 04:53:09.758 --> 04:53:12.999 but instead he says something completely different. 04:53:14.920 --> 04:53:28.745 The thought leaders that have set public strategy in the drug space have decided to a large part to emphasize direct acting antivirals. 04:53:30.390 --> 04:53:37.379 And they have sought to test those most often in a late stage COVID environment. 04:53:38.160 --> 04:53:39.281 And- That's not true. 04:53:39.301 --> 04:53:46.770 Okay, COVID environment maybe, but not for virals, antivirals they test upon exposure. 04:53:46.970 --> 04:53:49.413 Remdesivir was tested upon exposure. 04:53:50.054 --> 04:53:52.476 and it was shown that it doesn't work after. 04:53:52.556 --> 04:53:58.300 So this is a disingenuous representation of what's going on and that's why Steve is reacting that way. 04:53:58.880 --> 04:54:19.634 It is a disingenuous representation of what's going on because we know that the thought leaders have not just emphasized direct acting antivirals, but they have actually emphasized 04:54:23.957 --> 04:54:26.298 Antibody, seroprevalence, right? 04:54:30.319 --> 04:54:33.520 This is what they emphasize over and over and over again. 04:54:34.681 --> 04:54:37.122 This is what all the grant applications are written for. 04:54:37.162 --> 04:54:38.482 These are what the endpoints are. 04:54:38.562 --> 04:54:40.883 These are how they immunobridge to the little kids. 04:54:42.645 --> 04:54:53.671 So in a way here, you have a guy who claims to be objecting and saying that, you know, they're not really, they have chosen to emphasize direct acting antivirals. 04:54:54.131 --> 04:54:55.932 They've chosen to emphasize this. 04:54:55.952 --> 04:54:56.793 That's a mistake. 04:54:57.313 --> 04:55:00.995 They've chosen to emphasize antibody seroprevalence. 04:55:01.435 --> 04:55:02.376 That's the mistake. 04:55:04.057 --> 04:55:11.301 So again, pretending to be a dissident, actually not teaching you anything that can help you actively save your family. 04:55:12.368 --> 04:55:33.029 Like severe hospitalized car that makes no sense and well more importantly it doesn't work But it gives it gives you the faulty signal that there's some ambiguity I mean I've seen this in the ivermectin data where the point is the studies vary and if it takes you five days to get to the patient then of course the signal is weak and 04:55:33.189 --> 04:55:51.903 And if you're giving insufficient drug and you're only giving it for one day, and ivermectin, so in my correspondence with the agency, advocating for an ivermectin-containing arm in the study, I had to write the section about the justification for mechanism of action of ivermectin. 04:55:53.104 --> 04:56:00.229 And just to illustrate the point, okay, so this is, I've never disclosed this publicly, I don't have actually authorization to say so, so maybe I shouldn't. 04:56:00.749 --> 04:56:09.674 But the truth is that I wrote this big long section, summarized the different potential mechanisms of action of ivermectin, most of which are anti-inflammatory. 04:56:11.755 --> 04:56:17.698 The agency wrote back and said, you have to do the studies in cell culture to prove the mechanism of action. 04:56:22.160 --> 04:56:22.800 What's happening? 04:56:22.880 --> 04:56:24.501 Come on, computer, don't screw up. 04:56:27.875 --> 04:56:28.816 I don't know what's going on. 04:56:28.856 --> 04:56:30.457 I think my computer is under attack. 04:56:30.517 --> 04:56:31.278 It's my second. 04:56:31.979 --> 04:56:37.744 It's my, my other, my other computer here that I use for a backup. 04:56:53.010 --> 04:57:19.408 Therapy and it's like here you go and you give them the treatment on a silver platter That bugs me about what doctors once were and what they've become and my sense is doctors You know, I used the example of frontier doctors when I was talking to him Frontier doctor about ensuring human subject safety FDA compliance all that we got to do everything by the book That's the way it is in the DOD these days not like it used to be. 04:57:19.788 --> 04:57:21.289 Okay, we're really rigorous. 04:57:22.069 --> 04:57:22.650 So we're living it 04:57:23.631 --> 04:57:25.932 I'm gonna fast forward a little bit. 04:57:27.534 --> 04:57:30.856 At the level of an antiviral agent is horrible. 04:57:31.677 --> 04:57:33.118 It basically doesn't work. 04:57:33.178 --> 04:57:34.619 It's a strategy that doesn't work. 04:57:34.739 --> 04:57:35.300 Why not? 04:57:35.940 --> 04:57:38.162 Because it's too hard to get it early. 04:57:38.583 --> 04:57:40.944 And that's what you gotta do. 04:57:41.305 --> 04:57:50.152 And what you're doing with Fluvoxamine, what we're doing with our agents that we're trying to get through the FDA, and perhaps we'll launch in India soon, 04:57:51.218 --> 04:57:53.139 is that we're attacking the second phase. 04:57:54.100 --> 04:57:56.942 COVID is a hyper-inflammatory response. 04:57:57.142 --> 04:57:58.783 It's not the virus that kills you. 04:57:59.203 --> 04:58:01.485 It's your response to the virus, okay? 04:58:01.825 --> 04:58:06.969 And the good news, I'm sorry, I'm gonna criticize Tony. 04:58:07.549 --> 04:58:08.630 I didn't wanna go there. 04:58:09.851 --> 04:58:20.158 The thought leaders that have set public strategy in the drug space have decided 04:58:22.051 --> 04:58:25.874 to a large part to emphasize direct acting antivirals. 04:58:27.495 --> 04:58:34.460 And they have sought to test those most often in a late stage COVID environment. 04:58:35.282 --> 04:58:38.625 and like severe hospitalized cause that makes no sense. 04:58:38.965 --> 04:58:47.733 And well, more importantly, it doesn't work, but it gives, it gives you the faulty signal that there's some ambiguity. 04:58:47.773 --> 04:58:52.417 I mean, I've seen this in the ivermectin data where the point is the studies vary. 04:58:52.617 --> 04:58:56.481 And if it takes you five days to get to the patient, then of course the signal is weak. 04:58:56.821 --> 04:59:15.558 And if you're giving insufficient drug and you're only giving it for one day and ivermectin... So in my correspondence with the agency advocating for an ivermectin-containing arm in the study, I had to write the section about the justification for mechanism of action of ivermectin. 04:59:16.739 --> 04:59:19.821 And just to illustrate the point... Did you hear that? 04:59:19.961 --> 04:59:21.082 Mechanism of action? 04:59:22.043 --> 04:59:29.047 Mechanism of action is something that he doesn't have, that Steve Kirsch doesn't have for an SSRI that crosses the blood-brain barrier. 04:59:29.607 --> 04:59:31.808 How does it protect you from a respiratory disease? 04:59:31.848 --> 04:59:32.548 Do you hear it? 04:59:39.832 --> 04:59:42.474 It doesn't want me to keep going or what? 04:59:45.295 --> 04:59:46.896 I don't know why it keeps dying like this. 04:59:54.213 --> 04:59:55.033 Super weird. 04:59:57.254 --> 04:59:58.634 I'm telling you, I'm not doing this. 04:59:58.674 --> 05:00:01.194 This is like something that Rumble's doing to me. 05:00:24.070 --> 05:00:25.011 They got a little ahead of them. 05:00:25.271 --> 05:00:26.332 We got a little ahead of them there. 05:00:26.372 --> 05:00:26.993 Sorry about that. 05:00:29.054 --> 05:00:30.776 Rumble just isn't helping me. 05:00:30.956 --> 05:00:32.517 Why isn't rumble helping me? 05:00:32.537 --> 05:00:38.042 I mean, I'm pushing rumble here. 05:00:38.122 --> 05:00:39.644 You should be helping me rumble. 05:00:43.046 --> 05:00:44.548 Come on, come on. 05:00:44.588 --> 05:00:47.991 We just crossed the five hour mark and now I can't get this to work anymore. 05:01:03.617 --> 05:01:05.150 Me, not so happy. 05:01:21.994 --> 05:01:24.095 goes up concentrating in bone marrow. 05:01:24.635 --> 05:01:27.737 And we're just going to start in here because we skipped like three minutes. 05:01:28.077 --> 05:01:35.540 I'm not saying this is going to happen, but I'm saying we need to look for something like leukemias showing up here because of their creation in bone marrow. 05:01:36.021 --> 05:01:43.064 I know from other work that it also seems to show up preferentially in lymph nodes. 05:01:43.764 --> 05:01:48.306 which raises the question of whether or not lymphomas might be created. 05:01:48.646 --> 05:01:57.629 In any case, these are possible long-term effects that we have no way of knowing don't arise because these things have not been injected into people for more than a year. 05:01:57.809 --> 05:02:05.892 So we have two adverse event signals that are starting to become apparent, my friends at the FDA tell me. 05:02:06.561 --> 05:02:06.821 Okay. 05:02:07.001 --> 05:02:11.043 Keep saying his friends at the FDA that are relevant to what you're saying. 05:02:11.463 --> 05:02:12.644 You're focusing on bone marrow. 05:02:13.324 --> 05:02:26.670 So typically a plastic anemia, leukemia, lymphoma, those kinds of things might, if, if there are is going to be, is going to be a signal, we might see it six months, three years, nine years. 05:02:26.690 --> 05:02:27.450 Okay. 05:02:27.690 --> 05:02:28.151 Card to tell. 05:02:30.435 --> 05:02:31.958 Well, isn't that just nice? 05:02:33.101 --> 05:02:34.183 Isn't that just nice? 05:02:34.263 --> 05:02:37.771 The cancers that John Bodeman are finding is just the tip of the iceberg. 05:02:38.814 --> 05:02:45.116 that we need to wait a few years before some of these more complicated bone marrow cancers will show up in symptomology. 05:02:46.016 --> 05:02:46.856 Oh joy. 05:02:46.876 --> 05:02:48.877 Fires multiple mutations. 05:02:48.897 --> 05:02:49.177 Yep. 05:02:49.197 --> 05:02:49.457 Okay. 05:02:49.517 --> 05:02:51.357 So, so let's just park that. 05:02:51.477 --> 05:02:51.997 Yeah. 05:02:52.157 --> 05:02:52.878 It is a risk. 05:02:53.018 --> 05:02:54.538 It is a risk that should be monitored. 05:02:54.578 --> 05:02:55.098 Well, wait a second. 05:02:55.158 --> 05:02:58.999 You said, you said somebody is beginning to see a signal of something, but I didn't get what it was. 05:02:59.039 --> 05:02:59.259 Yeah. 05:02:59.299 --> 05:03:00.220 So I was going to get into that. 05:03:00.280 --> 05:03:01.040 Okay. 05:03:01.180 --> 05:03:05.121 There's two signals that are starting to in, 05:03:06.502 --> 05:03:11.549 We don't have time to go into the nuance of how come it takes so long for them to figure out what's going on. 05:03:11.989 --> 05:03:18.899 But one of them is thrombocytopenia, that's not having the platelets. 05:03:19.252 --> 05:03:44.836 His hands could also be swollen from the gout he supposedly has because when I shook his hand at the CHD meeting in Knoxville and he jerked his hand away and said he didn't know who I was and that he didn't introduce me to RFK and then walked away from me, his wife later told me that he had gout and that maybe I had just hurt his hand when I shook his hand with my very delicate man hands. 05:03:46.241 --> 05:03:52.387 I'm not shoveling stalls all day, so I have very delicate man hands. 05:03:52.907 --> 05:03:55.430 But when I shook his hand, I heard it. 05:03:56.951 --> 05:03:58.052 Because he's got gout. 05:03:59.814 --> 05:04:01.576 Which are manufactured in the bone marrow. 05:04:01.956 --> 05:04:04.418 Could be true, I don't know, it could be true. 05:04:06.613 --> 05:04:09.214 But I see him shake a lot of other people's hands without pain. 05:04:09.434 --> 05:04:14.656 Another one that is very hard to understand that's starting to come up in the database. 05:04:14.716 --> 05:04:18.078 I wonder if he'll remember me on Wednesday when we see each other in Boston. 05:04:18.831 --> 05:04:23.414 Okay, so this is shingles, shingles is an example of that, but there are many others. 05:04:23.474 --> 05:04:28.918 And there's something in the literature about reactivation of human, latent human retroviruses. 05:04:30.139 --> 05:04:47.051 Okay, so it is, there are anomalous findings cropping up and I concur that it was when I received these data to evaluate, 05:04:49.102 --> 05:04:50.282 I gave you that whole story. 05:04:50.302 --> 05:04:51.403 Okay? 05:04:52.083 --> 05:04:53.143 Those are two of the things. 05:04:53.343 --> 05:05:00.727 And by the way, what's really odd to me about the ovarian signal is there's no signal in the testis. 05:05:01.667 --> 05:05:01.847 Right. 05:05:02.248 --> 05:05:02.768 It's very low. 05:05:02.928 --> 05:05:10.331 And a colleague of mine, Dr. Kevin Tamera, has done a lot of thinking and reading about that because it bothers him too. 05:05:10.791 --> 05:05:14.733 He's a urologist, so he kind of specializes in the male reproductive system. 05:05:15.494 --> 05:05:16.294 And he has some 05:05:18.969 --> 05:05:21.832 Gosh darn Rumble. 05:05:24.294 --> 05:05:26.496 Rumble is not going to let me finish this video. 05:05:28.318 --> 05:05:29.239 What is happening here? 05:05:29.279 --> 05:05:31.121 Maybe I should pull it up on my other computer. 05:05:31.161 --> 05:05:32.622 Maybe I can double team this thing. 05:05:55.546 --> 05:05:56.727 No, Rumble's really mad. 05:05:58.048 --> 05:05:59.709 It's not playing on this computer either. 05:06:01.270 --> 05:06:03.511 This computer's hard-lined and it's not playing either. 05:06:03.551 --> 05:06:05.252 I think they're slowing me down. 05:06:05.572 --> 05:06:07.133 I gotta be really honest with you. 05:06:07.153 --> 05:06:11.396 I think they're stopping me from doing this because I'm just crushing them right now. 05:06:12.897 --> 05:06:16.639 And they can't do anything about it except for stop the video from playing. 05:06:16.719 --> 05:06:19.161 Otherwise, I got another hour of these clowns. 05:06:21.142 --> 05:06:24.324 I mean, what is the other explanation for the reason why this is not working? 05:06:30.646 --> 05:06:49.318 So there are anomalous findings cropping up, and I concur that it was when I received these data to evaluate, I gave you that whole story. 05:06:51.154 --> 05:06:52.194 Those are two of the things. 05:06:52.394 --> 05:06:59.778 And by the way, what's really odd to me about the ovarian signal is there's no signal in the testis. 05:07:00.719 --> 05:07:00.899 Right. 05:07:01.299 --> 05:07:01.819 It's very low. 05:07:01.979 --> 05:07:09.343 And a colleague of mine, Dr. Kevin Tamera, has done a lot of thinking and reading about that because it bothers him too. 05:07:09.363 --> 05:07:13.746 He's a urologist, so he kind of specializes in the male reproductive system. 05:07:14.526 --> 05:07:19.270 And he has some theories having to do with charge, because these are charged lipids. 05:07:20.110 --> 05:07:31.118 So there are particular features of the ovary that may, as opposed to the testis, that may explain some of this, but it doesn't get us away from the two core things. 05:07:31.379 --> 05:07:31.839 Number one, 05:07:33.570 --> 05:07:36.072 This was known with the original data packages. 05:07:36.152 --> 05:07:39.955 The Japanese data package is essentially a historic document. 05:07:40.596 --> 05:07:43.017 It's different from what the FDA is currently looking at. 05:07:43.138 --> 05:07:45.639 So these data have been out there a long time. 05:07:46.280 --> 05:07:47.541 And yes, we have a whole lot of messaging. 05:07:47.581 --> 05:07:48.662 But not in public view. 05:07:49.706 --> 05:08:00.815 within the purview, the confidential, protected, not disclosed purview of the regulators across the world. 05:08:00.955 --> 05:08:06.139 So this messaging that we're all good, nothing to worry about. 05:08:06.759 --> 05:08:11.363 That messaging was inconsistent with these signals that were apparent, at least inside of the data. 05:08:11.443 --> 05:08:12.964 The data or the data? 05:08:13.084 --> 05:08:13.265 Yeah. 05:08:13.705 --> 05:08:13.885 Okay. 05:08:15.606 --> 05:08:19.809 We've got potential long-term, we've got short-term implications in the bone marrow. 05:08:19.869 --> 05:08:22.390 We've got potential long-term implications in the bone marrow. 05:08:22.430 --> 05:08:24.311 We have short-term implications in the ovaries. 05:08:24.351 --> 05:08:26.012 We've got potential long-term implications. 05:08:26.412 --> 05:08:33.296 I would add to the list what I've been worried about most from the beginning are autoimmune disorders that might show up in the long run. 05:08:33.857 --> 05:08:35.979 Is that plausible as you see it? 05:08:36.580 --> 05:08:38.181 We talked about this earlier. 05:08:38.201 --> 05:08:46.369 And for me, it's less the lipid component, although that certainly has merit for autoimmune. 05:08:47.109 --> 05:08:51.373 It's more the circulating free spike protein, which we didn't expect. 05:08:51.694 --> 05:08:57.019 And in the literature, the developers assured us this would not happen. 05:08:57.099 --> 05:08:59.561 The literature suggested we would not have free spike. 05:08:59.881 --> 05:09:08.204 There we go again, we're talking about spike protein being free and so some mistake being made in the manufacturing process or an assumption being made that was incorrect. 05:09:08.824 --> 05:09:14.166 And then Harvard and Brigham did a study in nurses and lo and behold, we clearly have free spike after vaccination. 05:09:14.666 --> 05:09:17.847 And that has a whole other set of implications, but autoimmune 05:09:18.789 --> 05:09:27.516 development of autoimmune disease against complexes of foreign protein plus normal human proteins is certainly something that you'd have to monitor for. 05:09:27.916 --> 05:09:32.180 As we were discussing, the way that that's... That was very well said. 05:09:32.280 --> 05:09:39.605 Complexes made with viral proteins and self proteins can cause autoimmunity. 05:09:39.646 --> 05:09:40.886 That's exactly 05:09:41.877 --> 05:09:44.439 what Michael Eden and I have been arguing for three years. 05:09:44.479 --> 05:09:49.182 So it's nice to hear him say it in the midst of this three and a half hour word salad. 05:09:50.163 --> 05:10:02.491 Part of the reason why you typically want a two to three year follow up period on the initial group of phase three patients to make sure that autoimmune consequences don't develop because they typically take time. 05:10:02.791 --> 05:10:02.911 Right. 05:10:02.951 --> 05:10:08.672 And this is why, you know, they always say that there's no such thing as a vaccine that was, that has developed fast. 05:10:08.852 --> 05:10:12.173 You know, like the fastest we've ever developed a vaccine has been like, what? 05:10:12.233 --> 05:10:13.553 So it's really weird, right? 05:10:13.573 --> 05:10:27.296 That Robert, or that, that, that on a podcast with Robert Malone, almost a year after this in Bath, the UK, they're sitting on a, on a, on a couch and Brett Weinstein says, 05:10:31.098 --> 05:10:33.520 He says, what is this? 05:10:33.900 --> 05:10:34.660 What is this? 05:10:35.961 --> 05:10:40.224 He says, why is this not going away? 05:10:42.165 --> 05:10:42.885 What does he say? 05:10:42.965 --> 05:10:44.386 I mean, I'm being serious here. 05:10:44.426 --> 05:10:46.067 There's something here. 05:10:47.448 --> 05:10:49.089 I've got it clipped up, listen. 05:10:52.250 --> 05:10:58.311 Listen, I'll pause you because I advanced a hypothesis on dark horse, which is now just come right back up. 05:10:58.331 --> 05:11:01.152 So I want to catch people up and then I want you to pick up your explanation. 05:11:01.612 --> 05:11:10.113 So what I argued, and I, I believe I came up with this independently, but I believe Peter McCullough has mentioned something similar as has Jonathan Cooley. 05:11:10.394 --> 05:11:16.055 So what he's going to say there really interestingly is, is what Mike Eden says here. 05:11:16.195 --> 05:11:17.575 And what I've said before. 05:11:19.844 --> 05:11:25.708 which is that the transfection of a spike protein can cause an autoimmune reaction. 05:11:27.929 --> 05:11:33.873 And more than a year before that, here's Robert Malone saying it on his podcast. 05:11:34.013 --> 05:11:39.716 And yet still, Brett Weinstein says that I came up with this on my own. 05:11:44.199 --> 05:11:45.460 And Robert doesn't correct him. 05:11:47.612 --> 05:11:50.093 Robert is leading a narrative. 05:11:50.133 --> 05:11:52.774 He's making sure that everybody stays on point. 05:11:53.894 --> 05:11:56.655 So if you claim it's you, that's all the better. 05:11:58.215 --> 05:12:00.356 If you say it was Jay, that's all the better. 05:12:00.856 --> 05:12:07.758 Keep everybody on message and encourage them to focus on the shot and not on the virus. 05:12:07.878 --> 05:12:09.319 Not on the gain of function. 05:12:09.419 --> 05:12:10.759 Assume that's all real. 05:12:11.780 --> 05:12:15.921 Keep them focused on the transfection and what the transfection might do. 05:12:17.441 --> 05:12:18.522 That's what was done to us. 05:12:18.562 --> 05:12:21.086 Prefer to stay out of the public eye and they've done that. 05:12:21.126 --> 05:12:24.250 But I took this position because I feel very strongly. 05:12:24.730 --> 05:12:26.312 Easy, easy, easy. 05:12:26.432 --> 05:12:29.136 Nobody said we wanted you to keep talking there. 05:12:29.576 --> 05:12:29.817 Okay. 05:12:29.837 --> 05:12:30.157 Here we go. 05:12:30.738 --> 05:12:31.719 Seven years or. 05:12:32.360 --> 05:12:36.305 Yeah, probably if we, unless we go back mid century when things were loose and fast. 05:12:36.445 --> 05:12:37.586 Right, but there's a reason for that. 05:12:37.626 --> 05:12:41.890 It's not just that, OK, well, we have better technology now. 05:12:42.210 --> 05:12:45.893 We still need to be able to see what the long-term effects is on a 12-year-old. 05:12:45.913 --> 05:12:46.874 You can't fast-forward time. 05:12:46.934 --> 05:12:49.416 And in fact, usually you use animal models to do that. 05:12:49.476 --> 05:12:52.519 And the assumptions on which the animal models bring these things to light are faulty. 05:12:52.759 --> 05:12:56.240 Right, and how do you judge the effect on the 12-year-old? 05:12:56.280 --> 05:13:03.243 What the animal models give us is a signal that alerts us to things that we need to follow up on carefully in humans. 05:13:03.323 --> 05:13:04.783 Okay, so hold on. 05:13:05.323 --> 05:13:11.465 Unless that signal is of toxicity or autoimmunity and then you don't need to follow up on it, you just don't do it. 05:13:12.806 --> 05:13:15.607 Again, we're clouding the waters here. 05:13:15.667 --> 05:13:17.588 We're muddying the waters here. 05:13:17.608 --> 05:13:19.968 We're making it worse for people to understand. 05:13:20.008 --> 05:13:21.469 There's no gray area here. 05:13:22.901 --> 05:13:27.483 If an animal model shows toxicity or autoimmunity, you don't try it in humans. 05:13:29.024 --> 05:13:32.965 That's not what Robert Malone is arguing in this long little thing here. 05:13:33.005 --> 05:13:37.787 He's arguing that mice and monkeys don't tell us anything about what's in humans. 05:13:38.407 --> 05:13:42.189 So the only way to test it in humans is to do a meta-analysis, he said. 05:13:46.092 --> 05:14:02.243 I don't think you can underestimate the extent to which this single podcast bamboozled so many people, including myself, into believing a laboratory leak was being covered up and that a imperfect transfection was being used to counteract it. 05:14:04.266 --> 05:14:13.890 and that was soon to be sold as a serendipitous consequence of the pandemic that these transfections are working, except, well, you know, we didn't get the batches right and the spike protein was toxic. 05:14:13.970 --> 05:14:19.793 Just to make this segment clear, OK, we've got very alarming short-term stuff. 05:14:20.313 --> 05:14:27.920 We've got short-term stuff that is alarming on the basis of where we find these lipids, where we find the spike proteins. 05:14:28.140 --> 05:14:31.563 Those things are reasons for concern because it wasn't supposed to be this way. 05:14:32.064 --> 05:14:38.089 We've also got an alarming signal in terms of the hazards and deaths or the harms and the deaths that are reported in the system. 05:14:38.110 --> 05:14:40.892 And there's a reason to think that those are dramatic under-reports. 05:14:40.972 --> 05:14:43.575 Yes, and they're all consistent with the spike distribution. 05:14:43.595 --> 05:14:46.137 That's two parts of the harm equation. 05:14:46.317 --> 05:14:50.819 Okay, the harm equation involves, there appears to be short-term harm being done at an alarming level. 05:14:51.159 --> 05:14:58.642 Long-term harm is quite plausible based on what we already know about what's taking place, but we, of course, are going to take time to figure out whether it's actually manifest. 05:14:58.662 --> 05:15:00.283 To find out and then it's going to be too late. 05:15:00.303 --> 05:15:02.344 You can vaccinate yourself, but you can never unvaccinate. 05:15:02.364 --> 05:15:03.264 You can't unvaccinate. 05:15:03.604 --> 05:15:08.106 Okay, so then there are two other harms that are potentially involved in this vaccine. 05:15:08.126 --> 05:15:13.469 I wanted to get your input on whether it's worth worrying about these things. 05:15:14.469 --> 05:15:28.441 One of them, as made famous by Garrett Vandenbosch, who was a guest on this program, is the hazard of the vaccines because they create a very concentrated evolutionary push on spike protein alone. 05:15:29.742 --> 05:15:34.787 Vaccinating into a pandemic rather than in advance of the pandemic is like... Here it comes. 05:15:35.667 --> 05:15:37.029 The transfection works. 05:15:38.112 --> 05:15:46.534 Spike protein is produced, it goes into circulation and puts a very pinpoint immune pressure on the virus. 05:15:47.255 --> 05:15:54.777 Exactly the story that Herod von den Bosch is selling on Amazon for $35 a book right now. 05:15:56.077 --> 05:16:05.220 A nonsense story about transfection being able to put pinpoint immune pressure on the virus to cause 05:16:07.617 --> 05:16:19.787 Immune re, immune refocusing is what, what cared, cared funding Bosch has as a new, new term, immune refocusing. 05:16:20.608 --> 05:16:24.311 And you can buy his Amazon book for 35 bucks and find out what he means. 05:16:24.891 --> 05:16:30.776 Able to cause the evolution of escape mutants and that it could in fact make a much worse pandemic in the end. 05:16:31.476 --> 05:16:35.079 So this isn't a theoretical, this is a real, it's real. 05:16:35.119 --> 05:16:35.940 We already have the data. 05:16:36.640 --> 05:16:37.181 What does that mean? 05:16:38.629 --> 05:16:41.952 We are having escape mutants arise all over the place. 05:16:42.212 --> 05:16:42.373 Yep. 05:16:42.713 --> 05:16:45.135 And you believe it is caused by the vaccines? 05:16:45.495 --> 05:16:46.856 So I can't, I can't. 05:16:47.036 --> 05:16:51.660 So because we've got two variables going on at the same time, we've got vaccination and we've got natural infection. 05:16:51.840 --> 05:16:52.001 Yeah. 05:16:52.861 --> 05:16:58.266 But in my mind, I mean, the data, the, the, the data are in. 05:16:59.046 --> 05:16:59.967 Yep. 05:17:00.287 --> 05:17:00.728 The escape. 05:17:00.748 --> 05:17:03.150 The data are in, the escape mutants are there. 05:17:04.537 --> 05:17:10.165 The escape mutants, the dangerous variants are there. 05:17:10.306 --> 05:17:12.248 This is all narrative, guys. 05:17:12.529 --> 05:17:13.891 Mutants are happening, yeah. 05:17:19.955 --> 05:17:29.404 We have focused on the spike domains that are associated with escape from the vaccine domains. 05:17:30.605 --> 05:17:36.671 We have neglected to focus as a community on the other mutations that are also accumulating. 05:17:38.633 --> 05:17:48.420 So that's kind of a sampling or selection bias that we have ongoing because we're focused on the vaccines, but it's not the only thing that's changing. 05:17:49.781 --> 05:17:52.743 You mentioned HIV, super example. 05:17:53.644 --> 05:17:56.948 HIV evolves during its infection of each separate patient. 05:17:57.689 --> 05:17:59.891 Single-stranded RNA. 05:17:59.951 --> 05:18:12.825 As a virologist, and there's some veterinary virologists that are speaking about this too, that this is, for those of us who are hardcore virologists and vaccinologists, 05:18:13.786 --> 05:18:15.727 This is accepted wisdom. 05:18:16.428 --> 05:18:17.669 This is just the way things are. 05:18:20.711 --> 05:18:23.293 This kind of gets to my point that I made earlier. 05:18:23.313 --> 05:18:29.717 We're focused on the vaccines, but it's not the only thing that's changing. 05:18:30.198 --> 05:18:33.160 You mentioned HIV, super example. 05:18:34.100 --> 05:18:37.441 HIV evolves during its infection of each separate patient. 05:18:38.101 --> 05:18:39.542 Single-stranded RNA. 05:18:39.662 --> 05:18:47.684 So as a virologist, and there's some veterinary virologists that are speaking about this too. 05:18:47.864 --> 05:18:51.445 Veterinary virologists speaking out about this would be here at VandenBosch. 05:18:51.485 --> 05:18:54.006 He's queuing him up right now just so you know what's going on. 05:18:55.726 --> 05:19:02.790 For those of us who are hardcore virologists and vaccinologists, this is accepted wisdom. 05:19:03.490 --> 05:19:07.112 This is just the way things are. 05:19:07.412 --> 05:19:11.034 And this kind of gets to my point that I made earlier. 05:19:11.054 --> 05:19:12.775 I objected a little bit to some of the statements. 05:19:13.435 --> 05:19:21.540 In my opinion, we're stuck with this virus or its downstream variants pretty much for the rest of our lives. 05:19:21.900 --> 05:19:23.281 For the rest of our lives. 05:19:25.342 --> 05:19:28.770 for the rest of our lives, for the rest of our lives. 05:19:35.433 --> 05:19:41.677 We're stuck with this virus or its downstream variants pretty much for the rest of our lives. 05:19:43.018 --> 05:19:45.439 I have no responsibility for the current pandemic. 05:19:45.459 --> 05:19:46.299 I believe that that is inescapable. 05:19:46.339 --> 05:19:48.421 Well, so I would argue, based on what I understand, 05:19:59.247 --> 05:20:01.209 that that might happen. 05:20:01.649 --> 05:20:09.935 I've worried about it from the beginning, that the likelihood of it happening has to do with the fact that we botched the early response and therefore gave it a large canvas in which to experiment. 05:20:09.976 --> 05:20:11.557 Yeah, a large canvas. 05:20:11.657 --> 05:20:12.978 It's all Trump's fault. 05:20:13.038 --> 05:20:14.279 We blew it in the beginning. 05:20:14.339 --> 05:20:16.220 We should have locked down harder, right? 05:20:16.621 --> 05:20:25.007 I don't, I haven't seen anything yet that tells me that we couldn't, if we got on this now, that we couldn't stamp it out in two months, three months of concerted effort. 05:20:25.027 --> 05:20:28.410 Except for the experience of actually trying to do that with polio and smallpox. 05:20:30.854 --> 05:20:32.055 I don't know what to say here. 05:20:32.095 --> 05:20:35.416 My whole computer is just freaking out and I don't get it. 05:20:35.536 --> 05:20:41.639 I don't know why it's freaking out, but this computer is definitely having some issues here. 05:20:45.221 --> 05:20:46.081 And I don't get it. 05:20:46.141 --> 05:20:46.901 We are at 231. 05:20:48.822 --> 05:20:54.045 Oh man, you're killing me. 231. 05:21:05.655 --> 05:21:12.122 stuff that sticks to other stuff, but it can stick in a way that actually enhances the infectivity, right? 05:21:12.462 --> 05:21:23.093 So, the fact that we don't control what happens after we introduce the immune system to the antigen, and that the evolution can produce things with unpredictable effects, can result in exactly the opposite. 05:21:23.133 --> 05:21:25.515 And in fact, this is not just a theoretical possibility. 05:21:25.555 --> 05:21:28.679 This is something we've actually seen, and I believe we've seen it with mRNA 05:21:29.379 --> 05:21:32.540 Vaccines Okay, so is that right? 05:21:33.541 --> 05:21:36.082 So there haven't been any mRNA vaccines and other creatures. 05:21:36.182 --> 05:21:45.085 We are the first creatures that is being tried to there's just that okay, okay, okay, but What you're talking about did Brett really not know that? 05:21:46.326 --> 05:21:51.087 That's not even possible Is it possible that he's so irresponsible. 05:21:51.127 --> 05:21:52.648 He didn't even know the answer to that. 05:21:52.668 --> 05:21:54.729 I mean, come on Brett really 05:21:55.689 --> 05:21:56.450 Come on. 05:21:57.310 --> 05:22:07.938 Um, when I, so we've been writing and trying to get published papers about this, uh, kind of from the beginning, I think her father was British intelligence, not CIA. 05:22:08.038 --> 05:22:09.739 It's not purely theoretical. 05:22:10.259 --> 05:22:12.901 Um, it is the basis for dengue hemorrhagic fever. 05:22:12.921 --> 05:22:13.882 Okay. 05:22:13.942 --> 05:22:15.603 So it's not what he's talking about. 05:22:15.623 --> 05:22:18.806 Isn't something that he's just come up with out of his mind. 05:22:19.306 --> 05:22:23.529 Um, it's, it's a, it's actually the basis for one of the major viral diseases. 05:22:23.749 --> 05:22:26.030 So is this why the second bout of dengue is worse? 05:22:26.370 --> 05:22:31.233 That is precisely it, especially it has to be a different strain and, and it is a whole. 05:22:31.793 --> 05:22:40.038 So he didn't even bother to do due diligence to read that by the time we got to September of 2021, he's been online for a year. 05:22:41.238 --> 05:22:46.361 Daily or weekly talking about the pandemic and he didn't bother to read about dengue fever. 05:22:51.581 --> 05:23:02.625 I mean, Bret Weinstein is one of the biggest posers of all time, pretending to be this preeminent biologist with this polymath-like knowledge, and it's really a joke. 05:23:03.525 --> 05:23:06.706 I'm sorry, but it's really, really a joke. 05:23:10.469 --> 05:23:19.220 It's a lovely, if you wanna understand the interaction of virology and immunology, dengue is a super way to dive into that world. 05:23:19.881 --> 05:23:25.468 But one of the nuances that you almost got to, 05:23:30.461 --> 05:23:32.262 So I'm going to go to my metaphor of the fork. 05:23:33.423 --> 05:23:39.967 And so the tines of a fork, if you think about that, are akin to the sticky part of the antibody that he's talking about. 05:23:40.347 --> 05:23:42.749 But the fork has a tail, the handle that we hold on to. 05:23:43.669 --> 05:23:45.811 That tail is not there just for nothing. 05:23:46.727 --> 05:23:50.609 That tail has its own cool, evolved, neat stuff that it does. 05:23:52.409 --> 05:23:57.171 And one of the things that it does is it sticks to specific evolved receptors. 05:23:57.411 --> 05:24:02.553 It's called the FC region because it's the constant region of the antibody. 05:24:02.913 --> 05:24:05.815 The tines are variable, as you say. 05:24:07.335 --> 05:24:11.597 So the part that sticks out has a receptor that it binds to. 05:24:13.767 --> 05:24:29.500 That receptor is present in cells that normally can't be infected by this virus, dendritic cells and macrophage, which, by the way, go to lymph nodes and travel around all over the body and are totally central to our ability to generate an immune response. 05:24:30.861 --> 05:24:36.525 And one of the things that happens… Nice to mention that at 2 hours and 36 in there, Robert. 05:24:38.638 --> 05:24:54.709 with certain types, because there are different types of antibody-dependent enhancement, but the word, antibody, so that's the fork, dependent, this won't happen without it, enhancement, what is being enhanced? 05:24:55.469 --> 05:24:58.892 What's being enhanced is infection and virus replication. 05:24:59.092 --> 05:25:00.152 How is that happening? 05:25:00.553 --> 05:25:02.374 How is the presence of an antibody 05:25:03.587 --> 05:25:08.169 increasing the ability of the virus to infect something else when it's blocking the virus. 05:25:08.669 --> 05:25:26.415 Because what happens is that essentially that handle of the fork can now interact with the FC receptors on macrophaged dendritic cells and other antigen-presenting cells and enable that virus to come into those cells that would normally not be able to infect. 05:25:27.235 --> 05:25:29.576 And those cells travel all over the body. 05:25:29.596 --> 05:25:30.596 These are immune cells. 05:25:31.052 --> 05:25:34.053 These are the cells responsible for presenting antigen. 05:25:34.093 --> 05:25:52.399 And so what you have happened with antibody-dependent enhancement is you can get an explosive increase, not only in virus replication, but in activation of inflammatory responses, which happens about seven days after the infection. 05:25:52.439 --> 05:25:53.039 And all of the prior vaccines 05:25:57.421 --> 05:26:08.763 that have been developed largely for veterinary purposes and all of the prior attempts to develop human coronavirus vaccines have failed due to ADE. 05:26:09.023 --> 05:26:11.404 That's one of the things that's really interesting. 05:26:12.324 --> 05:26:19.485 Really interesting about the current ones is they are showing so much efficacy. 05:26:19.685 --> 05:26:22.226 It's the reason why I wouldn't take vaccine for a long time. 05:26:23.345 --> 05:26:25.586 is I was watching for an ADE signal. 05:26:25.726 --> 05:26:26.586 I'm not seeing it. 05:26:27.466 --> 05:26:28.626 We're all looking for it. 05:26:29.226 --> 05:26:31.807 And we're not seeing it. 05:26:32.147 --> 05:26:34.268 We're not seeing an ADE signal, huh? 05:26:35.668 --> 05:26:37.528 Anti-interferon antibodies. 05:26:39.289 --> 05:26:40.109 We're not seeing it. 05:26:40.509 --> 05:26:41.529 He's just full of it. 05:26:41.929 --> 05:26:43.410 Everywhere we've looked, we've found it. 05:26:45.190 --> 05:26:47.991 And more importantly, if you don't look, you don't find it. 05:26:49.096 --> 05:27:01.608 and emphasizing that antibody-dependent enhancement is the primary thing he was concerned about and not the globs of self and viral proteins that could cause autoimmunity three years from now. 05:27:02.208 --> 05:27:03.650 What is he talking about? 05:27:05.069 --> 05:27:07.270 He was worried about antibody-dependent enhancement. 05:27:07.290 --> 05:27:26.198 He was watching for those signals, but he wasn't worried about any of the other things that come along with transfection, like autoimmunity that could show up as cancer in the bone marrow three years from his injection that he was just talking about a few minutes ago, but now says, my main concern was antibody-dependent enhancement. 05:27:26.758 --> 05:27:28.979 Holy balls is this nonsense. 05:27:29.439 --> 05:27:30.120 Get vaccinated. 05:27:31.080 --> 05:27:33.761 See, I got vaccinated because I didn't know any of this. 05:27:34.422 --> 05:27:37.283 I assumed that what I was being told is the truth. 05:27:37.503 --> 05:27:43.086 Nobody was dying and everything was safe and it was safe and effective that I was told that. 05:27:43.186 --> 05:27:48.208 And I trusted the authorities and I, you know, was just like that. 05:27:48.248 --> 05:27:54.711 And then when I discovered, you know, my little, you know, you know, popped up and is he pissed? 05:27:55.828 --> 05:27:57.049 Because I would be pissed. 05:27:58.609 --> 05:28:07.653 It doesn't really seem like Steve is pissed that he injected his children with something he should have never injected his children with, that this guy didn't warn him early enough. 05:28:09.014 --> 05:28:12.355 This guy didn't warn him early enough, that's why he took it. 05:28:13.635 --> 05:28:15.076 Why isn't he pissed about that? 05:28:16.697 --> 05:28:21.759 Why doesn't he hear the incongruency that's sitting across the table from him at all? 05:28:23.240 --> 05:28:25.602 discovered, wow, confirmation of my hypothesis. 05:28:25.702 --> 05:28:27.243 You took the red pill and suddenly. 05:28:27.303 --> 05:28:29.044 Yeah, well, no, I've always had the red pill. 05:28:30.905 --> 05:28:35.268 But on this one, I said, there's only so much you can question, right? 05:28:35.508 --> 05:28:40.392 And when has the CDC ever misled us and the NIH ever misled us? 05:28:40.412 --> 05:28:41.592 So I can't blame ignorance. 05:28:41.632 --> 05:28:42.953 I'm a bona fide expert, right? 05:28:43.254 --> 05:28:43.674 Right, right. 05:28:43.694 --> 05:28:44.414 So how did you? 05:28:44.454 --> 05:28:47.396 Well, we didn't know about the biodistribution. 05:28:47.436 --> 05:28:48.617 We didn't know about the free. 05:28:48.657 --> 05:28:49.478 It's so funny. 05:28:50.078 --> 05:28:54.360 It's so funny how I took a transfection I should have never taken, because I'm an expert. 05:28:54.420 --> 05:28:55.361 I should have known better. 05:28:55.401 --> 05:28:56.821 It's so funny, isn't it? 05:28:56.961 --> 05:28:58.682 It's so funny. 05:28:58.922 --> 05:29:00.843 About the pathogenics? 05:29:00.883 --> 05:29:01.944 So why did I take the vaccine? 05:29:02.004 --> 05:29:03.424 Yeah, why did you? 05:29:03.824 --> 05:29:04.265 Two reasons. 05:29:04.745 --> 05:29:05.625 Admit it. 05:29:06.226 --> 05:29:07.826 I'm finally on the spot here. 05:29:07.886 --> 05:29:11.708 No, I'm totally transparent about it and have been in multiple other podcasts and online. 05:29:12.588 --> 05:29:13.349 There's two reasons. 05:29:13.929 --> 05:29:15.750 And I waited. 05:29:16.752 --> 05:29:28.398 I would not get involved early on, um, because I, I knew that it was going to take time for the ADE signal to either be proven or not revealed. 05:29:28.758 --> 05:29:28.958 Yeah. 05:29:29.298 --> 05:29:29.598 Okay. 05:29:30.198 --> 05:29:33.080 So I came to the conclusion, it's been enough time. 05:29:33.240 --> 05:29:33.660 We're not. 05:29:34.000 --> 05:29:38.382 The only thing he was concerned about was ADE, nothing else. 05:29:38.522 --> 05:29:41.484 He's saying that right now, hear him. 05:29:43.208 --> 05:29:53.992 Hear him tell you that none of the other concerns that they've been talking about for the last hour were on his radar as he decided to take two shots in the Moderna vaccine. 05:29:55.593 --> 05:29:56.633 He wanted acceptance. 05:29:57.194 --> 05:29:58.534 He wanted to be able to travel. 05:30:00.595 --> 05:30:03.996 This is just the biggest ball of nonsense I've ever heard in my life. 05:30:04.076 --> 05:30:07.678 And I agree totally with the Breggins that this guy's pulling the wool over our eyes. 05:30:07.718 --> 05:30:08.338 He's gotta be. 05:30:10.831 --> 05:30:14.534 This is just one great big gigantic pile of nonsense. 05:30:16.075 --> 05:30:17.056 I don't know what he's up to. 05:30:19.378 --> 05:30:21.840 But oh man, this is really something special to me. 05:30:23.861 --> 05:30:28.605 The idea that he's suing the Breggans while he did this and said these words. 05:30:31.112 --> 05:30:35.154 Did this whole podcast, we could watch it over and over and over again. 05:30:35.214 --> 05:30:48.260 It'll only become more and more clear how absurd it is that he sits where he sits right now in the eyes of so many people as some kind of knight in shining armor. 05:30:49.280 --> 05:30:49.901 What a joke. 05:30:51.261 --> 05:30:52.922 Seeing the 80s E signal. 05:30:53.823 --> 05:30:56.044 And I don't have to worry about that too much. 05:30:56.944 --> 05:30:58.165 Remember I'm a long COVID. 05:30:59.397 --> 05:31:05.302 there was a lot of reports popping up about vaccines helping with long COVID. 05:31:05.502 --> 05:31:11.327 And number two, I need to travel. 05:31:11.347 --> 05:31:16.531 And the rules that are emerging, particularly if you wanna go to Europe or offshore. 05:31:17.011 --> 05:31:27.260 The rules that are emerging that you might have to accept, the rules that are emerging that you might have to accept because these men aren't gonna keep their arms straight 05:31:29.738 --> 05:31:32.079 because these men aren't going to keep their arms straight. 05:31:32.139 --> 05:31:44.063 You might have to put up with these rules because these men aren't willing to stand up for those rules being against all forms of informed consent, against all previous principles of sovereignty. 05:31:44.103 --> 05:31:48.705 They're not going to stand up for that because these men aren't holding their arms straight. 05:31:49.821 --> 05:31:50.381 It's just crazy. 05:31:50.401 --> 05:31:52.463 You gotta have, well, it is what it is. 05:31:53.684 --> 05:31:55.805 I live in the real world and I need to travel. 05:31:56.185 --> 05:32:01.269 So the reason my wife and I both took vaccines, because she's also a vaccine expert. 05:32:02.110 --> 05:32:15.579 She's also a vaccine expert on the incorporation papers of Inovio, on Facebook saying that the technology and ideas of Robert Malone are saving the world. 05:32:16.701 --> 05:32:20.985 that the vaccine is working exactly as it expected, and it's saved millions of people. 05:32:22.446 --> 05:32:26.269 They're recommending that you take it now because the ADA signal is not there. 05:32:26.309 --> 05:32:30.272 It hasn't shown up yet, says Robert Malone on this podcast, so take the shot. 05:32:30.833 --> 05:32:33.935 I both took Moderna, the highest dose, right? 05:32:33.976 --> 05:32:37.899 The one, frankly, the one that I advise to everybody, don't take Moderna. 05:32:37.919 --> 05:32:39.400 If you're gonna take anything, take Pfizer. 05:32:39.900 --> 05:32:44.544 Okay, that's been my advice again and again, but it wasn't an option for me where I live in Virginia. 05:32:46.346 --> 05:32:48.288 By the way, what he's talking about is... So that's what I took. 05:32:48.508 --> 05:32:53.694 Yeah, they never did any dosing studies to find out whether they were overdosing. 05:32:54.054 --> 05:32:55.336 So hold on. 05:32:55.376 --> 05:32:57.118 I want to just collect our gains here, okay? 05:32:57.638 --> 05:33:01.422 We've got two kinds of harm to patients, short-term and long-term. 05:33:01.763 --> 05:33:03.044 Both of these are alarming. 05:33:03.404 --> 05:33:04.926 They're worrying from what we already know. 05:33:05.595 --> 05:33:18.582 You've got the possibility of the driving of escape mutants, for which we know that we were getting escape mutants, and we don't know to what degree that is responsive to the vaccine, but it's at least... I would speculate that Meryl Nass is beguiled by Robert Malone. 05:33:18.622 --> 05:33:21.424 I would speculate that she's just been fooled. 05:33:24.105 --> 05:33:28.808 She spent a lot of time with him and his wife, and they have a very good schtick. 05:33:29.770 --> 05:33:34.112 of fighting in front of people and being condescending to one another. 05:33:34.132 --> 05:33:38.855 And then it seems like they have this real marriage and it's almost embarrassing. 05:33:40.035 --> 05:33:51.421 And I've heard the story from too many people that if you're around the Malones long enough, you hear Robert talk very nasty to Jill, or you hear very, uh, court, uh, curt language with one another. 05:33:51.481 --> 05:33:53.802 And it's obvious that they're really just a married couple. 05:33:55.649 --> 05:34:06.400 And this level of trust that one gets when you think that they can't be lying is what I think Meryl has experienced. 05:34:06.440 --> 05:34:17.212 I think Meryl is just beguiled by someone who she is so, she's probably incapable of imagining that someone would lie to her so consistently and so often. 05:34:19.429 --> 05:34:25.692 And that's, I think, you know, what happens to everybody that gets beguiled by somebody who's a liar. 05:34:25.732 --> 05:34:27.973 I don't know what lies he's told. 05:34:28.033 --> 05:34:29.473 I don't know what lies he's telling. 05:34:29.974 --> 05:34:32.835 I just know that he's probably very skilled at it. 05:34:32.875 --> 05:34:37.157 Like he said that his friend Michael Callahan is also a very skilled liar. 05:34:39.018 --> 05:34:48.842 If he can say that Michael Callahan's a very skilled liar, I wonder if it's okay for me to hypothetically wax intellectual about how skilled of a liar Robert Malone might be. 05:34:51.488 --> 05:34:52.448 at least quite plausible. 05:34:52.728 --> 05:34:56.330 And then we have the risk of ADE, which it turns out we don't have the signal for. 05:34:56.370 --> 05:34:56.950 So that's good news. 05:34:56.970 --> 05:34:57.550 Yeah, currently. 05:34:57.690 --> 05:34:57.890 Yeah. 05:34:58.190 --> 05:34:58.550 So far. 05:34:59.051 --> 05:34:59.531 But that's great. 05:34:59.731 --> 05:35:00.231 Good news. 05:35:00.291 --> 05:35:00.531 No ADE. 05:35:00.591 --> 05:35:11.035 That's a pretty good encapsulation of worries in this neighborhood that are... The one that was unexpected is the coagulopathy associated with the adenovector. 05:35:11.755 --> 05:35:13.316 Holy cow, he did it again. 05:35:13.356 --> 05:35:14.376 The adenovector. 05:35:15.672 --> 05:35:43.116 adenovirus transformation that's the one that has coagulopathy not the mRNA the mRNA doesn't do that oh wait now it does this was an orchestrated calculated differential between those two at this time to try and make you think that them taking the Moderna was smart that the Moderna works that the Moderna is the pure one yada yada yada it's all 05:35:44.187 --> 05:35:45.928 fun and games with your brain here. 05:35:46.509 --> 05:35:47.389 That's what's happening. 05:35:47.969 --> 05:35:49.751 That one was out of the blue. 05:35:50.031 --> 05:35:57.335 So the coagulation problems, which are almost one of the central hallmarks of COVID disease. 05:35:57.495 --> 05:35:57.756 Right. 05:35:57.856 --> 05:36:01.138 So am I wrong to think that that's just more spike protein cytotoxicity? 05:36:01.498 --> 05:36:03.379 I think it's a plausible hypothesis. 05:36:03.479 --> 05:36:03.779 OK. 05:36:04.760 --> 05:36:05.020 All right. 05:36:06.101 --> 05:36:08.983 Which means, in English, that means he agrees. 05:36:09.537 --> 05:36:11.979 No, it means it's a plausible hypothesis. 05:36:12.019 --> 05:36:14.662 He's a scientist, he gets what I mean. 05:36:14.822 --> 05:36:16.583 I'm translating it for the non-scientists. 05:36:16.603 --> 05:36:24.951 It's a plausible hypothesis, and the tone in your voice suggested there's not another obvious, more plausible hypothesis. 05:36:25.612 --> 05:36:28.995 I think it is the most compelling current hypothesis that I know of. 05:36:29.295 --> 05:36:29.856 Yes, June 21. 05:36:30.596 --> 05:36:39.504 So I think we have taken care of the big pieces of the puzzle that I was hoping to hit aside from the one where we saved the earth from COVID. 05:36:41.245 --> 05:36:46.030 Are there things on your agenda that you... You wanted to talk a little more about the repro talks. 05:36:46.690 --> 05:36:46.990 Yes. 05:36:47.551 --> 05:36:48.511 Well, indeed. 05:36:48.751 --> 05:37:14.144 So we did it, but what should people be thinking about the fact that we at least know that it... So the thing that this signal about the relative concentration of these novel lipids that we've never had before in humans that we don't have long exposure to in animals and the signal in this limited rodent study 05:37:14.977 --> 05:37:18.862 Hopefully, which was not done under good laboratory practices. 05:37:19.723 --> 05:37:22.527 It wasn't the real vaccine. 05:37:22.687 --> 05:37:26.432 It wasn't even the RNA encoding spike. 05:37:26.532 --> 05:37:26.672 Right. 05:37:26.712 --> 05:37:31.419 And you couldn't, because you'd want to find out where the spike actually went. 05:37:32.620 --> 05:37:45.670 I spoke to, remember I spoke to the director of CBER about all this and he said, you know, that was then, we have a new data package now and please allow us the respect to evaluate it. 05:37:45.690 --> 05:37:46.811 Okay. 05:37:47.331 --> 05:37:53.135 And Peter Marks is, they said it again, that we've got a new data set. 05:37:53.175 --> 05:37:55.037 So give us the time to evaluate it. 05:37:55.057 --> 05:37:56.138 He's saying it again. 05:37:57.062 --> 05:38:01.924 He's leaving the door open for it working or for the data to say, Oh, it's okay. 05:38:02.385 --> 05:38:02.965 Do you hear it? 05:38:03.025 --> 05:38:03.865 Ladies and gentlemen. 05:38:06.266 --> 05:38:08.447 Among the best we have at the FDA. 05:38:08.467 --> 05:38:10.288 Okay. 05:38:10.448 --> 05:38:12.009 He's he's time-tested. 05:38:12.229 --> 05:38:12.889 He's smart. 05:38:13.490 --> 05:38:14.390 He has integrity. 05:38:15.010 --> 05:38:19.492 He asked me, he is saying that Jeremy Marks has integrity. 05:38:20.513 --> 05:38:24.615 The guy who pushed this vaccine all the way to six month old kids. 05:38:26.104 --> 05:38:28.465 He's saying, Jeremy Marks has integrity. 05:38:29.005 --> 05:38:30.265 Can you believe this? 05:38:30.886 --> 05:38:32.226 Can you believe this? 05:38:32.706 --> 05:38:34.107 Can you believe this? 05:38:35.247 --> 05:38:41.169 To allow them the respect to evaluate the product. 05:38:41.870 --> 05:38:43.930 And I think we've kind of got to give that. 05:38:44.210 --> 05:38:45.571 But if we go off the date. 05:38:45.591 --> 05:38:46.731 We've got to give it that. 05:38:46.791 --> 05:38:48.272 We've got to give them six months. 05:38:48.292 --> 05:38:50.613 We've got to take the shot and just get this over with. 05:38:50.653 --> 05:38:51.393 Do you hear it? 05:38:54.342 --> 05:39:01.286 that the Canadians provided to us from that package that shows the graph that you just showed. 05:39:02.306 --> 05:39:07.189 We have concentration in ovarian tissue of a novel lipid reagent. 05:39:08.267 --> 05:39:11.789 that is previously untested and has some very unique characteristics. 05:39:12.389 --> 05:39:14.590 It's an ionizable cationic lipid. 05:39:15.291 --> 05:39:17.312 We just don't know what that means. 05:39:18.032 --> 05:39:18.632 Here's the thing. 05:39:19.473 --> 05:39:30.538 When I first started, when I first trained about what the history of the FDA is, the thing that is the hallmark of the modern FDA is the response to thalidomide. 05:39:33.495 --> 05:39:42.859 And that has guided the whole legislative structure and organizational structure of the FDA. 05:39:43.799 --> 05:39:48.881 That's all about reproductive toxicity and potential consequences in terms of birth defects. 05:39:52.293 --> 05:40:03.980 I hope that Pfizer has submitted to Peter a comprehensive genotoxicity and reproductive toxicity panel in the non-clinical studies. 05:40:04.060 --> 05:40:07.202 But even then, rats are not humans. 05:40:08.823 --> 05:40:16.208 And what we've learned is that reproductive risks don't always manifest in the first generation. 05:40:17.566 --> 05:40:23.487 So I don't mean to scare, but I do mean to speak honestly and with integrity. 05:40:24.527 --> 05:40:38.630 And, um, I think the, the, the honest position is if you were to ask me, Robert, do you know what the reproductive consequences are for this signal? 05:40:39.890 --> 05:40:43.631 I have to tell you, no, I don't because we don't have the data. 05:40:45.197 --> 05:41:03.966 And if you then ask me, has there been any examples in the past of reproductive effects of agents in female reproductive tissue that were not anticipated by the animal model testing, I would have to say, yes, there is. 05:41:05.427 --> 05:41:12.391 So I think my position on all of this goes back to the bioethics, if you'll forgive me. 05:41:13.331 --> 05:41:15.933 There has to be full and open disclosure. 05:41:15.953 --> 05:41:28.163 I think we owe it, we do owe it to people, to the audience, to those of us who are facing this crisis and wanting to do the right thing. 05:41:29.724 --> 05:41:32.667 I think we, this gets back to it's your body. 05:41:34.908 --> 05:41:44.417 I think that the burden is on the government not to tell us what to do, but to convince us based on the information what to do. 05:41:45.458 --> 05:41:54.447 And I think that they have an obligation, they do have an obligation, this goes back to the bedrocks of bioethics, to full and open disclosure. 05:41:55.948 --> 05:41:57.610 And in the case of the 05:41:58.393 --> 05:42:01.237 potential reproductive implications of this. 05:42:01.297 --> 05:42:02.218 That's on the video. 05:42:02.238 --> 05:42:07.204 I don't know where that aggregated noise is coming from signal in a female reproductive tissue. 05:42:09.467 --> 05:42:12.250 I think that there needs to be transparency. 05:42:13.171 --> 05:42:15.795 I think that we have to not 05:42:17.329 --> 05:42:32.780 assume that reports such as dysmenorrhea, which are occurring, and you can appreciate if you're a young woman and you're having menstrual irregularities, it's kind of embarrassing socially to talk about it. 05:42:33.361 --> 05:42:36.063 And you're not going to rush off to the internet and go post it. 05:42:36.843 --> 05:42:40.186 even if you're a millennial, and I don't think. 05:42:41.807 --> 05:42:49.413 So I think that we as a public health community, if I can speak for the public health community, 05:42:51.972 --> 05:43:11.842 really should err on the side of transparency and disclosure and trust the American people and the people all over the world, the adults who are competent to make decisions, to make decisions for their own health and for those adolescents and infants and youth. 05:43:12.679 --> 05:43:15.641 Remember, they cannot give informed consent. 05:43:15.841 --> 05:43:18.303 They can't by definition. 05:43:19.184 --> 05:43:22.746 The only people that can give it for them are their parents and their guardians. 05:43:23.927 --> 05:43:38.278 And, um, I, I do feel pretty strongly that these things that I hear about now in multiple cultures, the strategy, we're going to give out ice cream to get the kids to get vaccinated. 05:43:38.958 --> 05:43:39.839 That's just wrong. 05:43:39.979 --> 05:43:40.159 Yeah. 05:43:41.553 --> 05:43:48.200 Now it's, it's tantamount to evil in light of the very scary implications of the thing. 05:43:48.280 --> 05:43:49.721 And we're going to, we're going to look back. 05:43:49.841 --> 05:43:50.622 We're going to look back. 05:43:50.822 --> 05:43:56.368 It would be wrong also to go on a podcast and suggest that the main danger of transfection was ADE. 05:43:57.409 --> 05:44:03.475 It would also be wrong to go on a podcast and suggest that the main danger is a virus rather than the transfection. 05:44:05.117 --> 05:44:14.962 And we are going to look back on this in a few years or in a generation and realize that these men were among the men that led us down the path of destruction. 05:44:16.122 --> 05:44:22.005 That led us down the path that we should not have ever walked because they didn't hold their arms straight. 05:44:24.886 --> 05:44:26.187 These are not good men. 05:44:27.418 --> 05:44:33.725 These are men who have broken under the pressure of the narrative and have towed the line because they were forced to tow the line. 05:44:34.045 --> 05:44:35.467 They're happy to tow the line. 05:44:35.987 --> 05:44:38.149 I don't care if they don't know they're towing the line. 05:44:38.610 --> 05:44:45.597 They are responsible for where we are now, and they could have done something different, like hold their arms straight. 05:44:46.226 --> 05:44:59.521 You know, there's been times when as a culture facing as, you know, many cultures facing major crises, war and other things, where there's been decisions made to cross ethical lines. 05:45:00.562 --> 05:45:06.088 And, you know, in US history recently, in our experience in World War II, we had the internment camps. 05:45:07.350 --> 05:45:09.632 Germany has had their experiences, heaven knows. 05:45:11.034 --> 05:45:18.643 And it's easy in the fog of war, and I can tell you from being on the front lines of outbreak response, it is like war. 05:45:19.965 --> 05:45:22.989 And it's easy to make judgment calls. 05:45:24.590 --> 05:45:31.756 where you say that the benefits merit compromising some of our core ethical principles. 05:45:33.037 --> 05:45:40.643 And invariably, in retrospect, we end up saying that was a mistake. 05:45:41.384 --> 05:45:42.265 And I'm going to leave it at that. 05:45:42.545 --> 05:45:42.845 All right. 05:45:43.606 --> 05:45:49.871 So I think you have a last point you want to make and then I will deploy my plan and we'll see how that goes. 05:45:50.191 --> 05:46:00.163 Well, look, knowing what I know today, if I had known what I know today, I never would have vaccinated my three young daughters. 05:46:01.524 --> 05:46:07.411 I would have done whatever I could, you know, they're of age, they can decide for themselves. 05:46:08.411 --> 05:46:23.230 Um, but I would have done everything, uh, in, in my power to have tried to domain was not mentioned in this podcast, even though it was mentioned in science magazine before the podcast and associated Robert Malone with it changed their minds. 05:46:24.965 --> 05:46:30.587 And I don't have any boys, but if it were my children, I would do whatever I could to do that. 05:46:31.027 --> 05:46:45.351 I think it's, I do not understand this push to let's get this, let's accelerate the approval of this experiment. 05:46:45.431 --> 05:46:51.473 And to experiment on our kids is to me, and what really frustrates me 05:46:52.498 --> 05:47:04.814 is I know one of the cabinet members of the Biden administration, and I brought this to his attention numerous times, and he has tried to get the attention of the proper people. 05:47:05.623 --> 05:47:06.403 And I hear crickets. 05:47:06.503 --> 05:47:07.744 The bell doesn't ring. 05:47:08.104 --> 05:47:11.066 It doesn't register because it's against the narrative. 05:47:11.326 --> 05:47:11.466 Yeah. 05:47:12.166 --> 05:47:13.667 And there's a reason for that. 05:47:14.127 --> 05:47:17.589 It's it's like I and I because I sent it to a friend of mine. 05:47:19.870 --> 05:47:24.612 It's against their narrative because they they have been told that vaccines work. 05:47:24.652 --> 05:47:27.254 They have told that vaccines can't be questioned. 05:47:27.294 --> 05:47:29.195 They have been told that vaccines are the way out. 05:47:29.915 --> 05:47:42.724 They have been told that gain-of-function viruses are real, that synthetic viruses are dangerous on a military field and in bioterrorism, and they've been told all of this stuff by people like Robert Malone for 20 years. 05:47:45.686 --> 05:47:53.091 He's trying to say that these people don't understand and that they've been misled and whatever, but what he's not saying is that they've been misled by people like Robert Malone. 05:47:54.500 --> 05:48:07.892 that perpetuate the danger of zoonotic viruses, perpetuate the danger of gain-of-function viruses, perpetuate the danger and need for vaccine-like countermeasures, for vaccine technologies, for vaccine budgets. 05:48:09.634 --> 05:48:13.217 And Robert Malone sits on those study sections. 05:48:13.578 --> 05:48:19.843 He chairs those study sections that distribute those billions of dollars for those imaginary dangers. 05:48:21.102 --> 05:48:29.289 And he is now involved in ushering in the permanent system that will govern us by the existence of those imaginary dangers. 05:48:29.830 --> 05:48:30.450 That's where we are. 05:48:30.831 --> 05:48:32.132 Welcome to the real world. 05:48:32.672 --> 05:48:38.337 And you can see it plain as day through the Dark Horse podcast from June of 2021. 05:48:39.498 --> 05:48:47.024 Yesterday, and I said, hey, could you get the, you know, I've tried the secretary and he was unable to get it to Biden's attention. 05:48:49.063 --> 05:48:54.490 Could you at least get it to and mention someone who's a top staffer of Pelosi? 05:48:55.530 --> 05:48:59.933 And so he looked at the document, he spent probably spent two minutes looking at it. 05:49:00.593 --> 05:49:02.014 And he said, Steve, I love you. 05:49:02.034 --> 05:49:03.135 I've known you for a long time. 05:49:03.175 --> 05:49:15.123 You're a great guy, but it, I mean, I should show you the email, but it ended with, and you probably don't think that there was an attack on January 6th. 05:49:15.804 --> 05:49:20.927 And that is just, you know, it's like, look, it's gaslighting. 05:49:21.908 --> 05:49:24.850 If you want to, if you want to criticize what I've written, 05:49:25.670 --> 05:49:38.293 Please tell me what's wrong and I'll fix it and and I said so you just so Can you believe they brought up January 6th on this interview Can you believe it? 05:49:39.333 --> 05:49:42.374 That they set up that controversy already on this interview. 05:49:42.894 --> 05:49:43.454 Tell me the truth. 05:49:43.494 --> 05:49:48.115 You just deleted it when when you saw it He said no, I I I didn't delete it. 05:49:48.635 --> 05:49:52.256 I kept it around but I didn't forward it like he said he would 05:49:53.083 --> 05:49:58.825 He said, forward it to me, I will send it to... So he just, you know... Cowardice. 05:49:59.305 --> 05:50:01.786 Yeah, I mean, this is important, right? 05:50:02.466 --> 05:50:04.026 I might be right on this. 05:50:04.507 --> 05:50:14.910 And everything I've seen, every single thing I've seen from talking to the paramedics, from talking to the doctors, seeing doctors fired, seeing paramedics intimidated, 05:50:16.051 --> 05:50:24.820 You know, seeing my friends, doing the next door surveys, every single time I try to look for, oh, maybe, you know, are they right? 05:50:25.141 --> 05:50:26.842 And I get nothing. 05:50:26.923 --> 05:50:29.445 I get confirmation the more I learn. 05:50:29.846 --> 05:50:37.113 And for me to try to convince an academic, oh, and his argument was, Steve, you must be wrong. 05:50:37.754 --> 05:50:43.140 because all the academics say that it's safe and effective. 05:50:43.881 --> 05:50:52.050 I commented on a post from one of the doctors at UCSF who says, I'm going to vaccinate my kid. 05:50:52.571 --> 05:50:54.553 And I said, well, you should look at this first. 05:50:56.755 --> 05:51:01.517 And so my friend's comment was, look, this is like global warming. 05:51:01.557 --> 05:51:03.417 And so there's the global warming deniers. 05:51:03.997 --> 05:51:07.298 And they're, you know, deniers of, you know, what happened. 05:51:07.618 --> 05:51:08.178 It's tribal. 05:51:08.298 --> 05:51:13.140 He goes and he says, he says, Look, you're up against all everybody else. 05:51:13.820 --> 05:51:16.101 says that it's safe and effective. 05:51:16.561 --> 05:51:18.661 All the academics say it's safe and effective. 05:51:18.781 --> 05:51:21.162 No one is raising any alarms. 05:51:21.702 --> 05:51:26.903 And so it's basically, they're saying like, there's something wrong with you. 05:51:26.943 --> 05:51:36.366 And in fact, right after Byram's presentation, my wife was entertaining five of my friends, or five of our friends. 05:51:37.609 --> 05:51:56.142 And after I heard this about the biodistribution, I said, hey, if you haven't vaccinated your kids, I just found out some information that says, this is gonna be unsafe and here's why, we're supposed to be in the arm, went to the whole body, spike protein is not a harmless antigen. 05:51:56.723 --> 05:52:00.285 And then they said, hey, thank you, Steve, thank you, Steve. 05:52:00.926 --> 05:52:05.049 We were gonna vaccinate our kids, but we're not gonna go to, and then I walk out. 05:52:05.990 --> 05:52:10.516 And then they're like, is Steve okay? 05:52:10.917 --> 05:52:12.038 Has he been working too hard? 05:52:12.118 --> 05:52:14.061 Is he like, you know? 05:52:15.062 --> 05:52:16.284 As if this was a minor issue. 05:52:16.966 --> 05:52:22.150 Yeah, they're like thinking that he's lost it, right? 05:52:22.611 --> 05:52:24.312 And so this is the frustration. 05:52:24.352 --> 05:52:26.714 This is why people can't speak out, right? 05:52:26.754 --> 05:52:32.679 Because the narrative is so strong that everybody believes in this false narrative. 05:52:32.759 --> 05:52:36.483 And so anyone who challenges and says the emperor wears no clothes, 05:52:37.486 --> 05:52:42.409 is just shot down and marginalized and they say to your face, oh, hey, thank you a lot. 05:52:42.569 --> 05:52:48.212 And then when you turn around, they're like, wow, what's happened to him? 05:52:48.232 --> 05:52:53.715 And the amazing thing, of course, is that here you have a case. 05:52:54.406 --> 05:53:13.638 where the NIH is basically sandbagging effective treatments, that the CDC is going along for the ride, that the FDA is fooled, and that people in Congress think Tony Fauci, who's been called out as the creator of the coronavirus and caused this whole thing, and then screwed up by not 05:53:14.558 --> 05:53:16.759 Oh, no, it's no there is believe me. 05:53:16.819 --> 05:53:35.564 I was I was very early on the lab We should we should have a separate one on this but Chris Chris Martinson does a fabulous job on his YouTube channel in taking down Tony Fauci Chris Martinson mentioned again interesting small circle of people getting mentioned on this podcast, isn't it in this whole cover? 05:53:35.584 --> 05:53:36.745 I'm not defending but okay. 05:53:36.865 --> 05:53:37.145 Okay. 05:53:37.345 --> 05:53:41.106 Yeah, but you know, but Congress like I wrote to Anna 05:53:42.246 --> 05:53:48.088 sorry, my Congresswoman, and I said, look at, here's the document, here's the facts. 05:53:48.768 --> 05:53:49.589 How do you respond to this? 05:53:50.049 --> 05:54:07.275 She wrote me a nice letter that says the vaccine is safe and effective, we'll be rolling it out, and the CDC has found no problems, and I'm going like, well, they haven't even analyzed any of the cases, and they should be assuming that there's a vaccine. 05:54:07.575 --> 05:54:10.956 Like, they halt things, like they're stopping criteria. 05:54:11.556 --> 05:54:15.418 you know, should be a hundred deaths or 200, you know, anyway. 05:54:15.558 --> 05:54:16.178 Robert's right. 05:54:16.938 --> 05:54:17.859 They're gaslighting us. 05:54:18.719 --> 05:54:19.399 It's getting to you. 05:54:19.900 --> 05:54:20.340 I hear you. 05:54:20.380 --> 05:54:24.962 You sound completely rational to me, but you know, look, look, look, I expected this. 05:54:25.062 --> 05:54:34.226 I knew, I knew when I went into this that I would suffer, that, that, that, you know, I would be, let me give you 30 seconds of comfort and then we're going to, we're going to fix the planet. 05:54:34.546 --> 05:54:37.948 This is always the case when you're at the tip of the spear. 05:54:39.510 --> 05:54:41.454 He said it again, tip of the spear. 05:54:41.595 --> 05:54:42.898 All you get is arrows in the ass. 05:54:43.118 --> 05:54:43.279 Yeah. 05:54:43.299 --> 05:54:45.624 Okay, this is a paradigm shift problem. 05:54:46.576 --> 05:54:50.157 And the lovely thing about medicine is we've been through multiple cycles of this. 05:54:51.637 --> 05:55:03.601 The classic one is gastric ulcers and the bacterial basis for gastric ulcers, which the guy that did that was subjected to everything that you're experiencing and more. 05:55:04.741 --> 05:55:08.222 It is just, so I guess I'm saying, welcome to my world. 05:55:08.342 --> 05:55:09.943 Embrace you. 05:55:09.963 --> 05:55:11.763 And it's the nature, it is the. 05:55:15.004 --> 05:55:16.307 He's never been in that world. 05:55:16.327 --> 05:55:17.309 What is he talking about? 05:55:19.763 --> 05:55:35.068 It's the red badge of courage that you're going through this and you have the guts, despite all that, to continue to say whether you're right or wrong, to have the courage to go to swim upstream and say, this isn't right. 05:55:35.208 --> 05:55:35.388 Right. 05:55:35.528 --> 05:55:43.291 And everybody, by the way, everybody advised me because I told people, look, and you know, this is the real, like Pierre Cory doesn't do this. 05:55:43.311 --> 05:55:45.632 This is like, you're taking on two albatrosses. 05:55:46.412 --> 05:55:48.873 One is championing early treatment. 05:55:48.913 --> 05:55:53.956 In Brazil, they don't think early treatment works at all, despite all the proof. 05:55:54.636 --> 05:55:57.697 So, you're trying to champion this cause. 05:55:57.717 --> 05:56:00.979 You're going up against the NIH and the WHO. 05:56:01.259 --> 05:56:04.841 And they said, if you take on also the vaccine, 05:56:05.754 --> 05:56:06.094 You're done. 05:56:06.114 --> 05:56:06.654 You're done. 05:56:06.734 --> 05:56:07.395 You're done. 05:56:07.575 --> 05:56:08.375 So wait a minute. 05:56:08.395 --> 05:56:09.936 Robert is saying something very important. 05:56:10.136 --> 05:56:14.018 And I know he's right, because I've been through it in a totally separate instance, right? 05:56:15.458 --> 05:56:22.081 The work I did that revealed that there was a flaw in the drug safety system, that was 2002, right? 05:56:22.441 --> 05:56:24.482 So I know what that is. 05:56:24.622 --> 05:56:25.523 And Robert's right. 05:56:25.563 --> 05:56:30.125 This is par for the course, except the stakes are really high here. 05:56:30.865 --> 05:56:36.506 And the amazing thing is that nobody is pulling the Andon cord in Congress to say, hey, stop. 05:56:36.546 --> 05:56:39.027 But that's what we've got to do with the Save the World Plan here. 05:56:39.207 --> 05:56:42.647 Because I really want to begin to wrap this up. 05:56:42.808 --> 05:56:46.888 And I think the point is, you've got all of these anomalous signatures, right? 05:56:47.508 --> 05:56:58.691 Even if the answer is, and I can make a defense for emergency authorizations for a vaccine that is not well enough tested in the face of an emergency, in the face of a virus that we might get stuck with as a permanent fellow traveler. 05:56:59.571 --> 05:57:00.712 know about the risk. 05:57:00.912 --> 05:57:06.558 I can't make that argument when there's perfectly safe therapies that are available to us off the shelf. 05:57:06.638 --> 05:57:06.978 That's right. 05:57:07.178 --> 05:57:07.839 Absolutely right. 05:57:08.059 --> 05:57:11.342 And I never could have made that argument for people who've already had COVID. 05:57:11.362 --> 05:57:18.148 And I certainly wouldn't have made that argument for women or children, especially pregnant women. 05:57:18.188 --> 05:57:19.750 But the fact is, that's ovaries, right? 05:57:20.230 --> 05:57:23.593 That signal is telling us something about potential long-term reproductive health. 05:57:23.633 --> 05:57:24.814 So all of that said, 05:57:26.015 --> 05:57:26.595 Nicely worded. 05:57:26.735 --> 05:57:28.796 Potential long-term reproductive health. 05:57:29.436 --> 05:57:29.817 Thank you. 05:57:30.197 --> 05:57:33.858 I would have said something different, but you said it correctly. 05:57:33.898 --> 05:57:35.259 He's a scientist. 05:57:35.339 --> 05:57:37.279 I'm cautious this way. 05:57:37.379 --> 05:57:46.323 So let's just say we've got all of these signals of something I would call extended regulatory capture, where regulatory capture now reaches into 05:57:47.083 --> 05:57:55.626 Not just regulatory agencies, it reaches into journals, it reaches into universities, it reaches into the social media layer, it reaches into the organizations of doctors, all of the things. 05:57:56.807 --> 05:57:58.127 And the World Health Organization. 05:57:59.728 --> 05:58:02.349 So this extended capture, we're all feeling it. 05:58:02.449 --> 05:58:11.052 To the extent that people are not doing what we're doing here, and they are silencing themselves because they're afraid of the stigma that comes back if they talk about the things they think they might be seeing. 05:58:11.892 --> 05:58:12.052 right? 05:58:12.232 --> 05:58:13.633 Everybody is being touched by this. 05:58:13.653 --> 05:58:15.195 I call it self-censorship. 05:58:15.495 --> 05:58:20.539 It is self-censorship, but the point is, I don't think there's any way to beat that going through the front door. 05:58:21.397 --> 05:58:29.663 What you're finding out about trying to raise the alarm here is telling you something about that's not going to work, because there are so many layers protecting it. 05:58:29.843 --> 05:58:30.624 We are aligned. 05:58:30.844 --> 05:58:31.004 Right. 05:58:31.024 --> 05:58:31.164 Right. 05:58:31.345 --> 05:58:31.525 Right. 05:58:31.625 --> 05:58:33.406 The only way to go is to go to the people. 05:58:34.007 --> 05:58:36.709 Not the people, because the people can't do anything about it. 05:58:36.729 --> 05:58:37.609 No, no, no, no, no. 05:58:37.649 --> 05:58:38.310 Yes, they can. 05:58:38.330 --> 05:58:40.271 It sounds to me like you're coming to the same point. 05:58:40.331 --> 05:58:40.531 Oh, yeah. 05:58:40.591 --> 05:58:41.312 Well, OK. 05:58:41.352 --> 05:58:41.953 Well, let's see. 05:58:41.993 --> 05:58:43.494 Let's see what your solution is. 05:58:43.754 --> 05:58:45.195 My solution, and I, you know. 05:58:45.355 --> 05:58:46.416 I have my own solution. 05:58:46.436 --> 05:58:46.756 OK. 05:58:46.816 --> 05:58:47.937 So my solution. 05:58:49.918 --> 05:58:53.760 It doesn't have to be Elon, but it can be Elon, right? 05:58:53.840 --> 05:58:54.540 Now, here's my point. 05:58:54.620 --> 05:58:56.261 Elon checks all the boxes, right? 05:58:57.041 --> 05:59:00.043 Elon is hyper-intelligent, right? 05:59:00.103 --> 05:59:02.824 And he appears to be hell-bent on saving planet Earth. 05:59:03.144 --> 05:59:05.866 And he's willing to do this with Herculean efforts, right? 05:59:05.906 --> 05:59:10.468 How hard is it to shift the country to thinking that electric cars are safe? 05:59:10.908 --> 05:59:14.410 That is some si- where did- did that come out of left field for you? 05:59:16.370 --> 05:59:16.791 Elon? 05:59:18.007 --> 05:59:20.050 What in the hell are we talking about here? 05:59:20.090 --> 05:59:20.791 I gotta go back. 05:59:21.693 --> 05:59:25.819 I thought he was gonna have like a series of planned, like, not a person. 05:59:26.618 --> 05:59:27.739 What the hell is this? 05:59:28.799 --> 05:59:29.480 Right, right. 05:59:29.560 --> 05:59:31.361 The only way to go is to go to the people. 05:59:31.962 --> 05:59:34.663 Not the people, because the people can't do anything about it. 05:59:34.683 --> 05:59:35.564 No, no, no, no, no. 05:59:35.624 --> 05:59:36.285 Yes, they can. 05:59:36.525 --> 05:59:37.946 Sounds to me like you're coming to the same point. 05:59:37.966 --> 05:59:39.567 The people can't do anything about it. 05:59:39.647 --> 05:59:41.428 That's an interesting theme, isn't it? 05:59:42.048 --> 05:59:42.509 Point of view. 05:59:42.569 --> 05:59:43.129 Well, let's see. 05:59:43.189 --> 05:59:45.471 OK, well, let's see what your solution is. 05:59:45.731 --> 05:59:48.373 My solution, and I, you know, I have my own solution. 05:59:48.393 --> 05:59:53.096 OK, so my solution, it doesn't have to be Elon. 05:59:54.096 --> 05:59:55.077 But it can be Elon. 05:59:55.397 --> 05:59:55.937 It can be! 05:59:55.977 --> 05:59:56.517 Here's my point. 05:59:56.597 --> 05:59:58.278 Elon checks all the boxes, right? 05:59:58.599 --> 06:00:00.200 Oh man, he checks all those boxes. 06:00:00.220 --> 06:00:02.021 Elon is hyper-intelligent, right? 06:00:02.081 --> 06:00:04.742 And he appears to be hell-bent on saving planet Earth. 06:00:05.122 --> 06:00:07.364 And he's willing to do this with Herculean effort. 06:00:07.404 --> 06:00:11.066 Do you really have the opinion that Elon Musk is hyper-intelligent? 06:00:12.327 --> 06:00:15.869 Have you ever heard him speak in a way that makes him hyper-intelligent? 06:00:17.870 --> 06:00:21.652 You know who I've heard speak that I think is hyper-intelligent? 06:00:22.472 --> 06:00:23.133 Thomas Sowell. 06:00:24.636 --> 06:00:28.758 When I watch him speak, I think somebody speaking there is very hyper-intelligent. 06:00:31.859 --> 06:00:34.821 But I don't have that feeling about very many people. 06:00:34.841 --> 06:00:38.142 I'm not trying to be arrogant or anything like that. 06:00:38.763 --> 06:00:40.563 The average adult is the average adult. 06:00:40.904 --> 06:00:45.986 Most people have a pretty hard time conveying the ideas that are floating around in their head. 06:00:47.188 --> 06:00:55.415 Most people have an even harder time juggling the ideas that were just thrown at them and then throwing them back to the person and repeating that over and over again. 06:00:58.277 --> 06:01:10.388 I think that what you see here on a regular basis on the Dark Horse Podcast is people pretending to be able to juggle ideas in their head and then throw them back to the other person, juggle them around and then throw them back again. 06:01:11.989 --> 06:01:13.250 And they're not doing that at all. 06:01:14.605 --> 06:01:24.173 that's actually a carefully orchestrated pigeonholing your brain into thinking very, very limited thoughts. 06:01:25.474 --> 06:01:29.297 Rather than showing you the possibilities, they limit them. 06:01:31.499 --> 06:01:33.841 And that's what this podcast was designed to do. 06:01:34.021 --> 06:01:43.949 Rather than show you all the possibilities of what's going on and what is causing the pandemic, what's going wrong in the pandemic, they have narrowed your focus. 06:01:45.146 --> 06:01:52.128 narrowed your focus, never once in three hours did they mention the PCR test. 06:01:54.648 --> 06:01:59.389 Not once in three hours did they mention the PCR test. 06:02:01.169 --> 06:02:06.711 And I have heard remdesivir a total of twice, I believe, not even five times. 06:02:08.411 --> 06:02:12.852 And the one time that Robert Malone said it, he followed it immediately with dexamethasone. 06:02:15.282 --> 06:02:15.842 efforts, right? 06:02:15.882 --> 06:02:21.344 How hard is it to shift the country to thinking that electric cars are super cool, right? 06:02:21.645 --> 06:02:23.905 How hard is it to get us to actually put people on Mars? 06:02:23.925 --> 06:02:24.646 These are difficult. 06:02:24.666 --> 06:02:33.429 And so my point is, look, if Elon is hell-bent on saving planet Earth, the hard thing to come by when you're in the saving planet Earth business is practice, right? 06:02:33.489 --> 06:02:40.412 It's very hard to find places where you can- Make no mistake about it, Elon Musk has an RNA-making company. 06:02:43.413 --> 06:02:44.574 Make no mistake about it. 06:02:44.774 --> 06:02:46.055 He loves the RNA. 06:02:46.535 --> 06:02:48.156 He loves transfection. 06:02:48.176 --> 06:02:49.917 He loves genetic therapy. 06:02:50.778 --> 06:02:57.482 He loves the fact that we are being coerced into giving up the sovereignty over our bodies. 06:02:57.522 --> 06:02:58.143 He loves it. 06:02:58.834 --> 06:03:01.455 practice that skill and you need it because it's a difficult job. 06:03:01.515 --> 06:03:11.718 So my point is this is the perfect instance because here we have an easy way to save planet Earth and it just so happens that Elon has a tremendous number of resources. 06:03:11.818 --> 06:03:17.860 Now he could do this as a matter, he could get together some of his friends and he could pool the resources or he could do it alone. 06:03:17.900 --> 06:03:18.820 But my point is 06:03:19.660 --> 06:03:27.765 What we're really looking at is runaway extended regulatory capture that has caused the greatest defect. 06:03:27.805 --> 06:03:40.053 If there is an argument to be made about our economic and political system, it is that our system can allow you to evaporate trillions of dollars of wealth in the pursuit of billions of dollars of wealth. 06:03:40.393 --> 06:03:41.674 And that is what is happening here. 06:03:41.754 --> 06:03:44.796 If what we see- There's a lot to be said for that statement. 06:03:44.836 --> 06:03:46.777 That bears repeating. 06:03:46.937 --> 06:03:49.959 It's pretty scary and the point is it's not just wealth in this case. 06:03:49.979 --> 06:03:51.981 We're talking about trillions of dollars of wealth. 06:03:52.061 --> 06:03:57.986 We're talking about the tensions on the global economic and political system like we have never seen before. 06:03:58.346 --> 06:04:06.652 We're talking about a huge amount of needless death and suffering and loss of years of viable life from people. 06:04:07.053 --> 06:04:12.337 So that's a hell of a lot to lose so that some entity or set of entities can make 06:04:12.957 --> 06:04:15.899 I don't know, five, ten billion dollars, right? 06:04:16.079 --> 06:04:16.760 It's absurd. 06:04:16.900 --> 06:04:18.982 So the point is, look, there's a bitter pill here. 06:04:19.810 --> 06:04:22.671 The bitter pill is we can't solve the problem perfectly. 06:04:23.411 --> 06:04:25.331 We're going to have to accept something ugly. 06:04:25.891 --> 06:04:40.235 And I think what we have to accept is that if this is going to happen to planet Earth with perfectly viable solutions available to us off the shelf that we're not going to be allowed to touch, I'm afraid the next move is that they're going to be taken from us so that we can't even source them as individuals. 06:04:40.775 --> 06:04:46.336 If that's what's going to happen, then the answer is we need to buy out the interests of those who are doing it. 06:04:46.676 --> 06:04:46.856 right? 06:04:47.256 --> 06:04:58.863 If they've got an emergency use authorization for an untested dangerous new drug and that's the reason that they're thwarting our ability to talk about the solutions that are available to us, then let's just fucking buy them out already, right? 06:04:59.164 --> 06:05:00.785 And if that's Elon, then it's Elon. 06:05:00.805 --> 06:05:02.806 And if it's a group of people, then it's a group of people. 06:05:02.826 --> 06:05:04.627 But there's no reason to crash plant Earth. 06:05:04.647 --> 06:05:07.849 So Elon should buy everybody ivermectin. 06:05:07.909 --> 06:05:08.649 Is that what he's saying? 06:05:08.669 --> 06:05:09.210 I guess it is. 06:05:09.983 --> 06:05:11.526 It's the little fish rising up enough. 06:05:13.369 --> 06:05:17.817 I've never even imagined acting with that strategy. 06:05:17.857 --> 06:05:18.538 That's profound. 06:05:18.759 --> 06:05:19.600 Why wouldn't we do it? 06:05:20.201 --> 06:05:21.644 Well, cash, capital. 06:05:22.105 --> 06:05:22.926 Right, but the point is, OK. 06:05:23.965 --> 06:05:24.485 I ain't got it. 06:05:24.525 --> 06:05:25.746 I don't think any of us have it. 06:05:26.226 --> 06:05:28.787 Well, as you've done, my friend, I don't think you've got it. 06:05:28.867 --> 06:05:29.867 Not quite in that category. 06:05:29.927 --> 06:05:30.787 No, but you know. 06:05:30.907 --> 06:05:34.028 But you've done your part. 06:05:34.148 --> 06:05:35.549 I can speak to something. 06:05:35.569 --> 06:05:37.109 Assuming we're not silenced. 06:05:37.289 --> 06:05:37.489 Right. 06:05:37.830 --> 06:05:43.131 I don't know if YouTube is going to go and say this violates their policy. 06:05:43.151 --> 06:05:44.432 We talked about Ivermectin. 06:05:45.372 --> 06:05:48.213 We're going to find out in a few minutes whether we're even still on the internet. 06:05:48.253 --> 06:05:51.134 My guess is we are or somebody would have found a way to alert us. 06:05:51.334 --> 06:05:55.958 Well, I'm getting these all, you know, all these texts. 06:05:56.138 --> 06:05:58.920 They're pretending like they don't know it's going to be canceled. 06:05:58.980 --> 06:06:00.121 Oh, it might be canceled. 06:06:00.181 --> 06:06:02.483 And then we'll know for sure that we're being censored. 06:06:02.523 --> 06:06:03.604 So we must be right. 06:06:06.266 --> 06:06:07.287 It's cute, isn't it? 06:06:08.088 --> 06:06:09.709 It's just terrible how they played us. 06:06:10.410 --> 06:06:11.370 It's diabolical. 06:06:12.031 --> 06:06:12.912 It's malevolent. 06:06:14.053 --> 06:06:14.833 It's not funny. 06:06:15.954 --> 06:06:16.875 It's a disaster. 06:06:17.796 --> 06:06:18.616 They played us. 06:06:19.704 --> 06:06:21.326 They got us to drop our arms. 06:06:22.207 --> 06:06:38.845 Millions of people around the world did not keep their arms straight like they would have as normal, wide-awake adults because they were terrified by the TV, they were terrified by social media, they were terrified by the censorship, and they were terrified by people on this podcast. 06:06:39.764 --> 06:06:40.304 It's a signal. 06:06:40.344 --> 06:06:46.629 But in any case, look, I do think this is way easier than shifting people to electric cars. 06:06:46.709 --> 06:06:48.570 And it's a hell of a lot easier than going to Mars. 06:06:48.910 --> 06:06:49.791 Can we just try this one? 06:06:49.811 --> 06:06:53.574 This is a, hey, practice saving planet Earth kind of a plan. 06:06:53.854 --> 06:06:55.015 And it's right there in front of us. 06:06:55.275 --> 06:06:56.115 And everything adds up. 06:06:56.155 --> 06:06:56.756 And the thing is, 06:06:57.927 --> 06:07:04.592 The thing that's really glorious about Elon is he is way smart enough to look at the same data that we've looked at. 06:07:04.892 --> 06:07:08.334 How many times is he gonna say that Elon Musk is hyper smart? 06:07:08.354 --> 06:07:09.275 He's way smart. 06:07:09.315 --> 06:07:12.117 He's so smart he can look at the data and see stuff we don't see. 06:07:12.697 --> 06:07:17.640 What is with this man crush that Brett has with Elon? 06:07:20.242 --> 06:07:22.284 You know another person that was in that 06:07:23.220 --> 06:07:29.724 That secret chat group with Brett Weinstein and Chris Martinson is a guy by the name of Alexandros Marinos. 06:07:31.285 --> 06:07:37.488 And if there's anybody on the internet that has a crush on Elon Musk, oh my goodness, get a room. 06:07:38.029 --> 06:07:40.630 It's the only conclusion you could reach if you look at it, right? 06:07:41.391 --> 06:07:41.891 He'll see it. 06:07:42.191 --> 06:07:45.853 So, um, I, I have to be careful here. 06:07:45.993 --> 06:07:46.794 I'm a consultant. 06:07:48.395 --> 06:07:52.517 Uh, one of my clients is a very, very large Indian conglomerate. 06:07:54.972 --> 06:08:04.417 run by one of the wealthiest men in the world, who the tax law there basically requires companies to tithe into a non-profit. 06:08:06.386 --> 06:08:14.451 and one has awareness, your comments spark a link. 06:08:16.572 --> 06:08:25.377 In that setting, that very large multi-billion dollar non-profit, a fund that's been created. 06:08:26.978 --> 06:08:28.198 Alex tweeted my Twitch. 06:08:28.218 --> 06:08:30.119 He's actively investing in. 06:08:30.400 --> 06:08:32.481 Alex tweeted my Twitch, well that's pretty sweet. 06:08:33.376 --> 06:08:36.157 I didn't think that he had ever, ever, ever once promoted me. 06:08:36.197 --> 06:08:37.798 That's very, very nice to hear. 06:08:37.818 --> 06:08:39.098 I hope that's true. 06:08:41.219 --> 06:08:47.702 Novel solutions of the kind that we're talking about for the rural poor in India. 06:08:49.282 --> 06:08:59.386 And so that, I think one of the things that... Relcovax, that sounds like a laxative, doesn't sound like a vaccine, yikes. 06:09:00.907 --> 06:09:02.968 I have, we haven't talked about, 06:09:03.942 --> 06:09:22.979 but the global kind of geopolitical what comes out the other side of the sausage machine thing is we're facing a future where pharmaceuticals and vaccines are largely produced offshore. 06:09:22.999 --> 06:09:27.343 We are losing or have largely lost. 06:09:27.503 --> 06:09:29.144 Did somebody slow the video down? 06:09:29.184 --> 06:09:30.966 I don't understand why he's talking like this. 06:09:32.000 --> 06:09:37.943 our pharmaceutical industry here in the United States as a consequence of this kind of kookiness. 06:09:39.203 --> 06:09:44.065 And it's the odd thing is, as you say, use the term market regulatory capture. 06:09:45.126 --> 06:09:52.749 Problem with those kind of situations is you get protected industries and they're not able to continue to compete on a global stage. 06:09:54.870 --> 06:10:00.092 And I fear with good reason and knowledge and experience 06:10:01.485 --> 06:10:04.289 that we're well along that road. 06:10:05.771 --> 06:10:16.145 And it's hard for me to see a future, basically I'm going to use slang, where China and India have not eaten our lunch. 06:10:18.502 --> 06:10:33.143 No, and you know, the thing is, this actually dovetails with the, if you zoom out and you look at planet Earth with respect to the question of vaccines and off the shelf, out of patent drugs, 06:10:35.766 --> 06:10:42.752 Somehow, whatever it is that looks a lot like extended regulatory capture is putting the United States behind. 06:10:42.953 --> 06:10:43.573 Exactly. 06:10:43.713 --> 06:10:43.913 Right. 06:10:44.474 --> 06:10:49.158 How is it we botched the initial reaction to COVID and now we're going to botch the solution? 06:10:49.238 --> 06:10:53.101 Everybody else is going to reach for ivermectin because it works and they're going to figure it out. 06:10:53.442 --> 06:10:53.582 Right. 06:10:53.622 --> 06:10:54.082 They already are. 06:10:54.302 --> 06:10:56.064 And other agents, not just ivermectin. 06:10:56.324 --> 06:10:56.504 Sure. 06:10:56.664 --> 06:10:58.325 Other repurposed agents? 06:10:58.645 --> 06:10:59.245 Fluvoxin. 06:10:59.645 --> 06:11:03.827 You can take ivermectin as a prototype. 06:11:03.927 --> 06:11:05.488 Inhaled butasenide. 06:11:05.588 --> 06:11:14.231 And you know, it's the one, maybe there are others, but it is the one that seems to me like a safe prophylactic response, which is really the key to making it drive COVID to extinction. 06:11:14.512 --> 06:11:15.412 But so anyway, 06:11:15.732 --> 06:11:29.854 If there's a group out there or an Elon that wants to do this, the key thing is you have to buy out the interests of the obstructionists who are making billions and evaporating trillions and inadvertently, I assume, killing tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. 06:11:30.254 --> 06:11:38.456 He thinks that Elon is going to buy a bunch of drug companies to prevent them from profiting on their EUAs that have already been granted. 06:11:39.256 --> 06:11:42.257 What kind of nonsense solution is this? 06:11:42.917 --> 06:11:44.817 Why doesn't he just say noncompliance? 06:11:47.403 --> 06:11:51.249 Why doesn't he just say united noncompliance is the only way out? 06:11:51.670 --> 06:11:53.813 Learning the biology is the only way out. 06:11:54.294 --> 06:11:57.559 Informed consent and the ability to say no is the only way out. 06:11:58.300 --> 06:11:59.703 Why is he saying Elon? 06:12:01.567 --> 06:12:04.568 Why is he saying that some super rich guy? 06:12:05.209 --> 06:12:06.069 Not any of us. 06:12:06.709 --> 06:12:07.690 Not the horse guy. 06:12:08.070 --> 06:12:08.730 Not me. 06:12:09.250 --> 06:12:10.991 I used to be a university professor. 06:12:11.511 --> 06:12:13.452 Not the optical mouse inventor. 06:12:13.732 --> 06:12:15.733 He's got a lot of money, but not that much money. 06:12:16.193 --> 06:12:17.254 Not Elon money. 06:12:17.634 --> 06:12:22.256 We need Elon style amount of money in order to save the world. 06:12:23.176 --> 06:12:24.677 Average people can't do anything. 06:12:25.657 --> 06:12:33.140 There's nothing you can do as an average person that would work besides united non-compliance with everybody around you. 06:12:35.660 --> 06:12:40.462 Can you see this, ladies and gentlemen, the intellectual dark web at its finest? 06:12:40.522 --> 06:12:42.663 I give you Brett Weinstein. 06:12:43.599 --> 06:12:55.528 potentially millions of people and the other thing you have to do is you have to ratchet up a campaign to generate these agents and to get them to the people who need them so we can drive COVID to extinction which really does to me at least look readily possible. 06:12:55.588 --> 06:12:56.729 Okay so I have a different solution. 06:12:56.829 --> 06:13:00.011 He thinks that we can drive COVID to extinction. 06:13:00.091 --> 06:13:06.276 Can we once and for all realize that this totally and completely discredits Brett as a biologist? 06:13:07.822 --> 06:13:10.203 as having any relevant opinion. 06:13:11.003 --> 06:13:13.784 Can we just say that this completely discredits him? 06:13:15.605 --> 06:13:22.588 I mean, I know I've been working on that for months now, trying to convince you that he keeps stepping in it, but this is just a joke. 06:13:24.129 --> 06:13:31.872 If this doesn't reveal him as somebody who's got some hands firmly up inside of him like a puppet, I don't know what does. 06:13:33.052 --> 06:13:33.793 Come on, guys. 06:13:34.890 --> 06:13:36.451 All right. 06:13:36.951 --> 06:13:41.573 Elon tweets a link to this video. 06:13:42.193 --> 06:13:45.554 And he says, everybody should watch this. 06:13:45.875 --> 06:13:49.776 So Elon can tweet this video to everyone and save the world. 06:13:49.916 --> 06:13:51.397 What is with Elon? 06:13:52.697 --> 06:13:55.999 This is very, very, very important. 06:13:56.699 --> 06:13:59.300 He has 50 million Twitter followers. 06:14:00.421 --> 06:14:03.802 And with 50 million, you've got scale. 06:14:04.906 --> 06:14:12.655 Well, you guys are operating in a world that I don't touch, and so I defer to you and your knowledge of these things. 06:14:12.876 --> 06:14:18.362 It's a different world than I live in, and I wish you godspeed, quite literally. 06:14:19.644 --> 06:14:22.788 And I hope, like we said about extinction of COVID, 06:14:23.408 --> 06:14:24.589 I hope I'm wrong and you're right. 06:14:24.709 --> 06:14:27.752 Yeah. 06:14:27.892 --> 06:14:29.733 I fear that's not the case. 06:14:29.834 --> 06:14:44.165 So he doesn't live in that world now, but in a few months apparently he's going to live in that world because he'll be on Getter and Gab and Telegram and Twitter and writing sub stack posts, sometimes three or four a day. 06:14:45.767 --> 06:14:51.912 And so while he doesn't dabble in any of that right now in June of 2021, I assure you at some point his staff 06:14:53.294 --> 06:14:55.655 and his wife are gonna dabble in that pretty readily. 06:14:58.297 --> 06:14:59.598 It's all a big show. 06:15:01.519 --> 06:15:07.302 So there's another solution too, which is that everybody who is watching this video, 06:15:08.419 --> 06:15:22.890 I think has a social responsibility, moral responsibility, ethical responsibility to retweet this, share it on whatever social media, LinkedIn, Facebook, the employees. 06:15:23.650 --> 06:15:47.158 of these companies also, if you're an employee of Facebook and LinkedIn and Twitter and so forth, that if you see your company acting in a way that is actually where they're taking this, where they're promoting misinformation or suppressing legitimate information, then 06:15:48.338 --> 06:16:14.104 You know, the only thing that can stop, the government is not gonna stop these companies from doing the wrong things, but the employees of these companies can say, this is not acceptable for humanity, and I will not work for a company that is basically telling people to get the safe virus that is running ads that says ivermectin doesn't work, that is censoring 06:16:14.764 --> 06:16:29.012 Like how do you, if you work at Facebook, how do you think about working for a company which is censoring these vaccine victims who are trying to get support and trying to understand what can I do about them? 06:16:29.532 --> 06:16:32.174 And this company is censoring those people. 06:16:32.594 --> 06:16:35.876 And what we don't have is these people don't have a voice. 06:16:36.676 --> 06:16:37.997 The people who have died. 06:16:38.017 --> 06:16:39.418 I think that's crucial what you just said. 06:16:39.758 --> 06:16:43.300 The people who have died from this vaccine 06:16:44.127 --> 06:16:45.008 don't have a voice. 06:16:46.029 --> 06:17:03.146 The people who, the doctors, who want to speak out cannot because they don't have a voice, especially if you got any kind of NIH funding, if you're in academia, you speak out, you will never see a dime, you will never get a drug approved again. 06:17:03.546 --> 06:17:05.809 These agencies have a long, you know, 06:17:06.209 --> 06:17:15.379 people, I need to, you know, so I'm trying to be the voice for the voiceless for the vaccine victims who are ignored by the mainstream media. 06:17:16.019 --> 06:17:22.746 And and I just got a tweet yesterday from a woman who says I run a support group. 06:17:23.167 --> 06:17:24.188 And one of our members 06:17:25.279 --> 06:17:26.239 a committed suicide. 06:17:27.160 --> 06:17:29.541 Because this can I can I jump in on this? 06:17:29.601 --> 06:17:31.221 Because no one was listening to her. 06:17:31.441 --> 06:17:33.502 And yeah, can I can I let me finish? 06:17:33.522 --> 06:17:34.943 Okay. 06:17:36.263 --> 06:17:37.684 And a voice for the children. 06:17:38.504 --> 06:17:38.684 Right? 06:17:38.724 --> 06:17:40.705 Because who is going to speak for the children? 06:17:41.765 --> 06:17:41.946 Right? 06:17:42.006 --> 06:17:46.327 Who is going to be the voice of the children here, and to speak up for them. 06:17:46.827 --> 06:17:51.089 And so we have all of these people who are afraid to speak up. 06:17:51.449 --> 06:17:52.830 And I was told Steve, 06:17:53.652 --> 06:17:57.614 They told me, let me advise you, don't touch this issue. 06:17:58.114 --> 06:17:59.155 It's a third rail. 06:17:59.275 --> 06:18:02.277 If you touch it, you'll vanish. 06:18:02.397 --> 06:18:03.457 I was given the same advice. 06:18:03.657 --> 06:18:03.857 Right. 06:18:03.877 --> 06:18:10.261 And look, I really acknowledge your taking. 06:18:10.441 --> 06:18:12.042 He was given the same advice? 06:18:17.372 --> 06:18:19.633 So are they rolling it back now a little bit? 06:18:19.753 --> 06:18:22.314 They're getting back from that line of don't touch it. 06:18:22.354 --> 06:18:23.194 What is happening here? 06:18:23.234 --> 06:18:24.754 Let's make sure we heard that correct. 06:18:25.255 --> 06:18:25.835 To speak up. 06:18:26.195 --> 06:18:32.377 And I was told, Steve, they told me, let me advise you, don't touch this issue. 06:18:32.877 --> 06:18:33.897 It's a third rail. 06:18:34.037 --> 06:18:37.038 If you touch it, you'll vanish. 06:18:37.158 --> 06:18:38.219 I was given the same advice. 06:18:38.419 --> 06:18:38.599 Right. 06:18:39.239 --> 06:18:49.862 Um, you know, and, and look, and my, I really acknowledge you're taking the risk here because YouTube may totally demonetize you. 06:18:50.542 --> 06:18:52.522 Your, your income will be wiped out. 06:18:53.162 --> 06:18:55.843 Oh, his income will be wiped out. 06:18:55.863 --> 06:18:58.924 Oh, he won't have any alternative, but to use Patreon. 06:18:59.824 --> 06:19:01.945 Oh, his income will be wiped out. 06:19:02.445 --> 06:19:04.605 I wonder how he saw that coming. 06:19:05.105 --> 06:19:07.246 I wonder why Steve is bringing that up. 06:19:08.561 --> 06:19:10.682 because it's part of the planned narrative. 06:19:11.022 --> 06:19:16.745 It was part of the song, the little violin that Brett's been playing for the last three years now. 06:19:17.986 --> 06:19:23.969 My YouTube channel got canceled because I let Robert Malone and Steve Kersh speak out about the truth. 06:19:24.309 --> 06:19:25.209 What was the truth? 06:19:25.669 --> 06:19:29.331 Let's go back to the beginning and find out what the truth was, shall we? 06:19:30.712 --> 06:19:34.694 The truth was, hmm, censorship first. 06:19:37.375 --> 06:19:38.656 And we are unmasked. 06:19:38.736 --> 06:19:43.618 We are going to reveal a new secret as to how you too can be unmasked. 06:19:43.978 --> 06:19:48.060 You can be fully vaccinated with previous infection, like Robert Malone is. 06:19:48.440 --> 06:20:00.485 You can be fully vaccinated like Steve Kersh is, or you can use a prophylactic like ivermectin, and then you and your family can also enjoy a close proximity, mask-free existence. 06:20:02.446 --> 06:20:05.247 That's how they started this podcast, ladies and gentlemen. 06:20:07.447 --> 06:20:13.191 And what you're doing is trying to spread information that's all factual. 06:20:14.112 --> 06:20:15.313 But it goes against the narrative. 06:20:15.493 --> 06:20:17.174 But what choice is there? 06:20:17.214 --> 06:20:19.235 And so people are afraid to speak out. 06:20:19.636 --> 06:20:21.057 And everybody I asked 06:20:22.125 --> 06:20:28.548 Every single person I asked said, Steve, do not do this because you will get shot down. 06:20:28.868 --> 06:20:30.049 You will get gaslighted. 06:20:30.149 --> 06:20:31.329 People will not believe you. 06:20:32.010 --> 06:20:36.972 And you will, this message of early treatment then will never. 06:20:37.292 --> 06:20:38.653 You will get gaslighted. 06:20:38.673 --> 06:20:42.554 Is he just talking nonsense? 06:20:42.614 --> 06:20:44.235 Is he just throwing terms out there? 06:20:44.275 --> 06:20:48.017 He doesn't really know what they mean, or is he really trying to confuse people? 06:20:49.884 --> 06:20:55.708 If Steve comes out speaking against injuries due to the vaccine, how does he get gaslighted? 06:20:56.048 --> 06:20:57.008 What does that mean? 06:20:57.108 --> 06:20:58.629 You see what we're talking about here? 06:20:59.710 --> 06:21:00.871 There's an imprecision. 06:21:02.346 --> 06:21:03.787 that belies lying. 06:21:04.528 --> 06:21:04.928 Be heard. 06:21:05.208 --> 06:21:07.029 Yeah, but if not this, what? 06:21:07.209 --> 06:21:08.750 And if not now, when? 06:21:08.951 --> 06:21:10.312 That's really what it comes down to. 06:21:11.212 --> 06:21:11.452 Robert? 06:21:12.173 --> 06:21:12.593 Two things. 06:21:13.274 --> 06:21:21.119 The irony is that the RNA story went through this same thing, where it got suppressed and shut down and was considered to be crazy talk. 06:21:21.800 --> 06:21:22.080 OK? 06:21:22.240 --> 06:21:23.000 That's a small thing. 06:21:23.020 --> 06:21:23.341 Many years ago. 06:21:23.361 --> 06:21:23.961 Many years ago. 06:21:24.081 --> 06:21:24.742 That's a small thing. 06:21:25.482 --> 06:21:30.944 Um, riffing off of your speaker for the dead, just kind of what you're saying. 06:21:32.064 --> 06:21:38.467 Um, I just like to throw in that I'm in close contact with the, um, long hauler community. 06:21:39.867 --> 06:21:44.509 And, um, like your story, a member of that community recently committed suicide. 06:21:45.889 --> 06:21:50.431 And, um, there was a huge outpouring in social media 06:21:51.820 --> 06:22:03.745 particularly in LinkedIn, in the long hauler chat groups of other people that have been suffering long hauler syndrome that feel, you know, hopeless and helpless. 06:22:03.825 --> 06:22:09.708 This is, you know, the parameters of depression and are also at risk for suicide. 06:22:10.548 --> 06:22:17.771 And, um, so speaking, you were speaking to employees of it companies, um, 06:22:20.999 --> 06:22:26.901 If we can't allow these people to even have a voice, then they're completely disempowered. 06:22:27.121 --> 06:22:29.261 It's as if they are written out of history. 06:22:30.421 --> 06:22:45.845 And I think that if you want to make a case for a moral obligation, we must let these people who have no voice to at least speak to each other. 06:22:46.146 --> 06:22:47.746 If we're not going to listen to them as a 06:22:48.146 --> 06:22:49.747 And he's talking about long COVID. 06:22:49.767 --> 06:22:55.790 He's not talking about people who died of remdesivir and he's not talking about people who died of the shot or suffering from it. 06:22:56.250 --> 06:22:57.251 Public health community. 06:22:57.731 --> 06:23:00.033 Let's at least let them talk to each other. 06:23:00.253 --> 06:23:01.593 They have an absolute right. 06:23:01.974 --> 06:23:02.154 Yeah. 06:23:02.554 --> 06:23:03.234 Absolute right. 06:23:03.394 --> 06:23:05.616 These people are suffering, whatever they may be suffering from. 06:23:05.676 --> 06:23:08.397 They have an absolute right to discuss it with others who are suffering. 06:23:08.457 --> 06:23:08.797 Thank you. 06:23:09.578 --> 06:23:10.198 Absolute right. 06:23:10.698 --> 06:23:10.818 Yeah. 06:23:10.838 --> 06:23:13.060 I was trying to look for my, the, the message. 06:23:13.400 --> 06:23:13.460 Um, 06:23:14.481 --> 06:23:28.659 Yeah, well for what it's worth I'm getting these messages too and people are clearly losing their lives to suicide among other things because it's so horrible and how much worse does it make it when you're being gaslit and told that it isn't a thing and you're not allowed to talk to others. 06:23:29.520 --> 06:23:31.683 It's an impossibly cruel situation. 06:23:32.875 --> 06:23:34.716 All right, I think we have to bring this to a close. 06:23:34.837 --> 06:23:36.778 I think we've covered what we needed to cover. 06:23:37.018 --> 06:23:41.622 I must say I am very grateful to you both. 06:23:41.922 --> 06:23:44.865 I regard you both as extremely courageous for speaking up. 06:23:44.945 --> 06:23:46.946 This is not an easy topic to speak up on. 06:23:47.467 --> 06:23:49.088 I know it's not safe for any of us. 06:23:49.468 --> 06:23:56.614 I do hope that whatever it is that needs to coalesce out there to fix this problem, we'll hear what we're saying and figure out how to put it into motion. 06:23:56.634 --> 06:23:57.595 If we haven't gotten it right, 06:23:58.095 --> 06:23:58.896 then that's fine. 06:23:58.916 --> 06:24:01.217 There's some way to do this, and it's got to happen now. 06:24:01.297 --> 06:24:14.125 And frankly, the clock is ticking because every month that we don't do this or do something, we are giving COVID-19 time to evolve to become a permanent fellow traveler, which will be an absolute tragedy for humanity. 06:24:14.185 --> 06:24:16.666 So let's get on this immediately. 06:24:17.366 --> 06:24:18.727 Thanks for joining us on Dark Horse. 06:24:19.208 --> 06:24:20.468 Steve Kirsch, Robert Malone. 06:24:20.508 --> 06:24:20.829 Thank you. 06:24:21.069 --> 06:24:21.449 Thank you. 06:24:21.509 --> 06:24:22.810 I really appreciate it. 06:24:22.930 --> 06:24:25.871 Thank you for allowing us to be here. 06:24:25.992 --> 06:24:26.612 Be well, everyone. 06:24:29.195 --> 06:24:37.020 I want to remind you about the video that I started with, because those men that we just watched are not men that kept their arms straight. 06:24:38.641 --> 06:24:44.344 They are not men that stood up when should have been standing up, but they stood up a year too late. 06:24:45.745 --> 06:24:52.729 And I would argue that what we just watched right there was beyond a shadow of a doubt evidence that they didn't stand up at all. 06:24:54.036 --> 06:25:10.521 but they were actually part of this narrative, part of this theater, which was designed to make us believe that there was a gain of function virus, that it was released, that they did cover it up, that we needed the countermeasures, that everybody was just doing what they thought they had to do. 06:25:12.402 --> 06:25:14.183 And so we're stuck with where we are. 06:25:14.223 --> 06:25:18.404 It's an imperfect system, but you know, we got to work with what we got to work with, right, Robert? 06:25:19.864 --> 06:25:21.125 I don't believe that that's true. 06:25:22.526 --> 06:25:30.331 I believe that people like myself were standing up for what was right when it was time to stand up for what was right. 06:25:30.391 --> 06:25:41.879 Speaking out against transfection as an immunization when there was still hope because we were keeping our arms straight because we did what was right when it was time to do what was right. 06:25:43.200 --> 06:25:47.783 Not a year and a half later when they decided not to choose my company for an EUA. 06:25:49.304 --> 06:25:55.867 Not a year and a half later when my vaccine is already out there and I'm already being reviewed for the Nobel Prize. 06:25:57.648 --> 06:26:04.231 Not a year and a half later when my wife is still saying that my vaccine technology is saving the world. 06:26:05.492 --> 06:26:08.894 I came out immediately when I knew it was wrong. 06:26:09.354 --> 06:26:14.376 And then I learned the immunology and I learned the biology and I taught it to everybody I could. 06:26:15.437 --> 06:26:17.218 That was what I thought was the right thing to do. 06:26:18.632 --> 06:26:20.692 That's what I thought was keeping my arms straight. 06:26:21.593 --> 06:26:23.993 And this is what I mean by keeping my arms straight. 06:26:26.773 --> 06:26:32.754 After the season, the season ended, we needed a break, so we went to a beach. 06:26:47.734 --> 06:26:53.261 As he was going down the beach, going down these dunes, he saw a military group working out on the beach. 06:26:54.242 --> 06:26:58.267 It was about maybe 10, 15 lines, something like that. 06:26:58.748 --> 06:27:02.052 Each line maybe had about 10 or 20 army guys in it. 06:27:02.412 --> 06:27:03.734 So he started to walk a little closer. 06:27:04.801 --> 06:27:08.502 As he walked closer, he could see that the guys were drenched. 06:27:08.522 --> 06:27:10.263 They had on full army fatigue. 06:27:10.283 --> 06:27:13.064 They had all their weapon gear on, helmets on. 06:27:13.384 --> 06:27:15.325 But they were wet, and they had sand all over them. 06:27:15.565 --> 06:27:16.205 And he's watching. 06:27:16.246 --> 06:27:16.806 He saw something. 06:27:16.826 --> 06:27:18.766 They had these logs in their hands. 06:27:19.267 --> 06:27:21.508 And they were holding them up over their shoulders. 06:27:22.588 --> 06:27:25.829 Three, maybe six, seven minutes, something like that. 06:27:26.149 --> 06:27:27.530 Think about how long that burns. 06:27:28.391 --> 06:27:31.033 to hold your hands up like that and hold them straight. 06:27:31.053 --> 06:27:32.454 And they would hold them straight. 06:27:33.015 --> 06:27:34.536 Then they would curl them like this. 06:27:34.896 --> 06:27:47.426 They would get on the ground and do sit-ups together with them, put the log down, run into the ocean, swim around a buoy, come out, roll in the sand, run down the beach, run back, and do it all over again. 06:27:48.647 --> 06:27:54.912 And this thing happened as he's walking down to the beaches, maybe 10 more minutes, 15 more minutes going. 06:27:54.932 --> 06:27:56.354 Each group was doing this. 06:27:57.185 --> 06:28:01.986 Some of the sergeants and officers saw him sitting there, and they could recognize who the coach was, so they didn't mind him watching. 06:28:03.106 --> 06:28:04.806 Soon as he got closer, he realized something. 06:28:05.306 --> 06:28:06.347 All these guys look alike. 06:28:07.367 --> 06:28:12.708 Same height, got the same cell phone, but he thought, in football, how do I pick my stars? 06:28:13.048 --> 06:28:13.888 Who catches the ball? 06:28:14.608 --> 06:28:15.448 Who makes the tally? 06:28:16.468 --> 06:28:18.048 Who doesn't have too many missed assignments? 06:28:18.769 --> 06:28:20.229 You know, these are things that we judge you by. 06:28:20.269 --> 06:28:20.789 Who's taller? 06:28:20.809 --> 06:28:21.409 Who's shorter? 06:28:21.729 --> 06:28:22.569 Who has the heart? 06:28:23.049 --> 06:28:25.490 But all these guys look the same. 06:28:25.510 --> 06:28:26.970 And he was thinking, 06:28:27.543 --> 06:28:30.164 How do they pick who stays and who leaves? 06:28:30.564 --> 06:28:33.565 Because it was more than what a normal military group would have. 06:28:34.125 --> 06:28:34.925 But how do they pick? 06:28:35.786 --> 06:28:36.926 So he got closer and closer. 06:28:37.986 --> 06:28:39.687 Again, some of them had boats. 06:28:39.867 --> 06:28:41.427 Some of them had things that were holding them up again. 06:28:41.848 --> 06:28:50.170 Another three, six minutes, four minutes, doing the crunches, still holding their hands out straight, doing wall sit squats in the sand. 06:28:50.891 --> 06:28:55.012 And he came to the sergeant and he said, how do you pick who stays and who goes? 06:28:57.093 --> 06:28:58.653 And the sergeant looked at him and he smiled. 06:28:58.673 --> 06:29:00.434 He said, the ones who keep their arms straight. 06:29:01.994 --> 06:29:02.794 He said, excuse me? 06:29:02.834 --> 06:29:05.335 He said, the ones who keep their arms straight. 06:29:05.735 --> 06:29:08.316 He said, you don't think we go into battle with logs and boats, do you? 06:29:09.076 --> 06:29:10.436 Bullets are flying over your head. 06:29:10.716 --> 06:29:19.499 When adversity hits, when the firecrackers start going off, grenades, the ones who can stay in line, keep their arms straight through pressure, are the ones we want. 06:29:20.319 --> 06:29:21.659 Those are the ones that are going to have your back. 06:29:22.679 --> 06:29:25.020 So when adversity strikes you and they say you can't do it, 06:29:26.018 --> 06:29:27.258 When people you love doubt you. 06:29:27.999 --> 06:29:30.420 When it's fourth and one and we need a first down and we need to stop. 06:29:31.220 --> 06:29:32.961 When somebody's phone turns the ball over. 06:29:33.321 --> 06:29:36.442 When a penalty hits, you get backed up 15 more yards. 06:29:36.982 --> 06:29:37.963 And you gotta keep going. 06:29:38.163 --> 06:29:43.805 When we say run one more pass, when we say run off the field, who is keeping their arms straight? 06:29:45.546 --> 06:29:51.088 When adversity outside of football hits, and you have to come in here and do your job, are you keeping your arms straight? 06:29:52.059 --> 06:30:04.568 When somebody contacts you and says, shut up about remdesivir and tell everybody the spike protein is dangerous and you'll make money, you got to keep your arms straight. 06:30:06.129 --> 06:30:15.696 When somebody tells you that you're going to get fired if you don't shut up on your YouTube channel about the transfection, you got to keep your arms straight. 06:30:17.312 --> 06:30:24.337 When somebody insists that a billion people are gonna die and that we need to wear masks, you need to keep your arms straight. 06:30:25.398 --> 06:30:34.785 When somebody tells you that there's a gain-of-function virus that leaked out of a laboratory and it's causing millions of people to die, you gotta keep your arms straight. 06:30:36.867 --> 06:30:38.248 You gotta pull up your pants. 06:30:39.349 --> 06:30:41.710 You gotta light a candle and you gotta start reading. 06:30:42.391 --> 06:30:43.232 You gotta learn. 06:30:44.224 --> 06:30:51.190 You gotta take responsibility for being the adult that you are, and you gotta keep your arms straight for your family and for your friends. 06:30:52.651 --> 06:30:56.795 And so many adults on this planet did not keep their arms straight. 06:30:58.676 --> 06:31:09.325 And for the first time, unlike this coach here, who's telling us a very, very cool story, 06:31:10.262 --> 06:31:16.845 about training military guys and finding a way to get soldiers to be of the highest level. 06:31:19.146 --> 06:31:30.272 What I'm trying to suggest to you is that there are people who kept their arms straight in the face of adversity that was the pandemic, an unknown, a worst case scenario possibly. 06:31:31.664 --> 06:31:44.694 But there were people that kept their arms straight and knew that our sovereignty was paramount, that informed consent was paramount, and were smart enough to know that we were not being allowed to exercise informed consent. 06:31:46.415 --> 06:31:54.061 And that kept their arms straight and knew that an emergency was not a good enough excuse for us not to keep our arms straight. 06:31:59.201 --> 06:32:08.087 You need to reflect on the fact that there are some people in our midst who did not keep their arms straight and they are not being honest about it. 06:32:09.528 --> 06:32:19.655 And we need to make sure that these people do not continue to be influential until they apologize for not keeping their arms straight and they get back in line. 06:32:21.396 --> 06:32:22.677 They sit back down. 06:32:26.320 --> 06:32:27.721 That's what this stream is about. 06:32:29.855 --> 06:32:35.799 It's been taking me a long time to figure out what to do with myself now that I know that Robert F. Kennedy's book is about to end. 06:32:37.160 --> 06:32:40.943 Now that I know that I'm going to need to start shaking the can for money on the internet again. 06:32:41.444 --> 06:32:42.744 What are we really doing here? 06:32:44.786 --> 06:32:47.848 Well, ladies and gentlemen, what we're doing here is we're keeping our arms straight. 06:32:48.849 --> 06:32:55.374 We were standing up for the principles of freedom, of individual sovereignty, of parental sovereignty over their children. 06:32:58.442 --> 06:33:06.585 And we were standing up for fundamental biology, standing up for God's creation and the sacredness of it. 06:33:09.326 --> 06:33:26.071 And the active degradation that is going on right now by people like Robert Malone and Elon Musk and Brett Weinstein and all the other people who think that it's possible to augment such a complex mechanism as the human body, the human immune system, the human brain. 06:33:27.844 --> 06:33:32.327 This arrogance belies nothing. 06:33:35.150 --> 06:33:36.891 These people are just that. 06:33:37.772 --> 06:33:44.937 They're just power-hungry, fame-hungry, power-hungry monkeys. 06:33:46.658 --> 06:33:48.100 It's time for this to end. 06:33:49.100 --> 06:33:54.825 Identify the people that kept their arms straight and follow the people who kept their arms straight. 06:33:55.876 --> 06:34:02.600 Do not, do not underestimate how many of these people are still a danger to you and your family. 06:34:03.841 --> 06:34:06.002 They are not being honest. 06:34:07.323 --> 06:34:19.229 When people you love doubt you, when it's fourth and one and we need a first down and we need to stop, when somebody's phone turns the ball over, when a penalty hits you, you get backed up 15 more yards and you gotta keep going. 06:34:19.470 --> 06:34:25.093 When we say run one more pass, when we say run off the field, who is keeping their arms straight? 06:34:26.854 --> 06:34:32.417 When adversity outside of football hits, and you have to come in here and do your job, are you keeping your arms straight? 06:34:33.197 --> 06:34:36.019 Your families will depend on you to be that type of leader, man. 06:34:37.820 --> 06:34:39.561 That's what life has to teach you. 06:34:39.961 --> 06:34:41.902 That's what Colorado football will teach you. 06:34:42.222 --> 06:34:43.603 That's what these coaches will teach you. 06:34:43.923 --> 06:34:47.745 Listen, you've heard my story a million million times before. 06:34:47.845 --> 06:34:49.366 I've been with this man 17, 18 years. 06:34:51.347 --> 06:34:52.247 Pee-wee football. 06:34:54.676 --> 06:34:56.977 How many people wanted to be next to him, wanted my job? 06:34:57.537 --> 06:34:58.757 But guess what I did they couldn't do? 06:35:00.118 --> 06:35:00.958 I kept my arms straight. 06:35:02.218 --> 06:35:03.558 I didn't worry about what people were saying. 06:35:03.979 --> 06:35:05.139 I didn't worry about what people were doing. 06:35:05.559 --> 06:35:07.139 We just told you about believing in yourself. 06:35:07.480 --> 06:35:08.640 Keep your arms straight. 06:35:08.920 --> 06:35:10.961 When stuff start happening, people say you can't do it. 06:35:11.181 --> 06:35:14.502 When we face adversity this year, keep your arms straight. 06:35:14.762 --> 06:35:15.682 Do the right techniques. 06:35:16.702 --> 06:35:17.562 Make the right plays. 06:35:17.602 --> 06:35:18.523 Make the right execution. 06:35:18.983 --> 06:35:21.523 You do that in life, nothing will ever stop you. 06:35:21.804 --> 06:35:23.384 But once you start listening to everybody else, 06:35:23.757 --> 06:35:29.800 and the whistle's coming over your head, the bullets flying by you, and you cower in the corner, people then will label you. 06:35:31.401 --> 06:35:32.502 I'll label them right now. 06:35:33.902 --> 06:35:35.403 I'll label those people right now. 06:35:36.864 --> 06:35:40.225 The people that put on the bandanas like Brett Weinstein. 06:35:41.566 --> 06:35:49.070 The people who said they took the shot because ADE signal wasn't there and didn't care about any other signal like Brett or like Robert Malone. 06:35:50.411 --> 06:35:52.732 People didn't know better like Steve Kirsch. 06:35:56.778 --> 06:36:05.449 I blame them for not keeping their arms straight, but I don't blame people that followed them for not keeping their arms straight. 06:36:06.786 --> 06:36:12.870 They were part of an elaborate scheme to make it very hard for you and I to keep our arms straight. 06:36:13.570 --> 06:36:27.499 Robert Malone, Brett Weinstein, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, all of the people on PBS NewsHour were all part of an elaborate scheme to make it very hard for us to keep our arms straight. 06:36:33.103 --> 06:36:34.164 But I believe in us. 06:36:35.407 --> 06:36:36.728 I believe in Team Human. 06:36:37.648 --> 06:36:39.409 I believe that we're going to overcome. 06:36:39.429 --> 06:36:44.953 I believe that there's a possibility that Team Human's gonna win. 06:36:46.053 --> 06:36:52.717 But we've got to make sure we realize who kept their arms straight and get them out of leadership positions. 06:36:53.297 --> 06:36:54.378 Stop following them. 06:36:54.778 --> 06:36:57.380 Stop sharing their substacks and reading their Twitters. 06:36:57.980 --> 06:36:58.740 Just stop. 06:36:59.981 --> 06:37:02.863 There's lots of people out there worth following. 06:37:03.834 --> 06:37:10.257 And I don't think that the three guys on this podcast were the ones to follow. 06:37:11.178 --> 06:37:14.800 I don't think these three guys right here were the ones to follow. 06:37:16.493 --> 06:37:17.333 That's my message. 06:37:18.274 --> 06:37:20.115 I just think you shouldn't follow them anymore. 06:37:21.015 --> 06:37:23.456 I don't think they're the leaders that they claim to be. 06:37:24.117 --> 06:37:28.499 And I think this three hour video shows exactly why that's the case. 06:37:29.079 --> 06:37:30.520 They didn't have the insight. 06:37:30.540 --> 06:37:32.681 They didn't try to teach you. 06:37:33.341 --> 06:37:34.562 They didn't try to save us. 06:37:35.442 --> 06:37:38.583 They limited, they limited the narrative. 06:37:39.183 --> 06:37:40.963 They limited the possibilities. 06:37:41.603 --> 06:37:44.824 And they focused us on things that wouldn't help us escape. 06:37:45.264 --> 06:37:46.164 You have to see it. 06:37:46.684 --> 06:37:47.165 I see it. 06:37:47.185 --> 06:37:48.465 I hope you see it. 06:37:48.985 --> 06:37:50.245 Thanks very much for joining me. 06:37:50.265 --> 06:37:52.186 It's been Giga Home Biological. 06:37:52.426 --> 06:37:58.147 A high resistance, low noise information stream brought to you by a biologist.