WEBVTT 00:23.308 --> 00:25.975 This morning when the sun was gone 01:26.084 --> 01:41.260 So many people have come and gone Their faces fade as the years go by Yet I still recall 03:08.826 --> 03:24.337 When I'm tired and thinking cold I hide in my music, forget the day And dream of a girl I used to know I close my eyes and she's gone 04:41.323 --> 04:42.884 You know who the best player in the game is? 04:43.425 --> 04:44.726 Me, Mars Blackman. 04:45.026 --> 04:48.429 And I'm way above the rim, demonstrating some serious hang time. 04:48.809 --> 04:49.630 Very serious. 04:50.250 --> 04:51.511 Do you know how I get up for my game? 04:51.912 --> 04:53.233 Do you know, do you know, do you know? 04:53.593 --> 04:56.516 That's right, Air Jordan, Air Jordan, Air Jordan. 04:57.697 --> 04:58.878 Mike, what's up? 05:01.079 --> 05:03.321 Oh, money, money, why you wanna do that to me? 05:03.361 --> 05:04.182 Why you leave me hanging? 05:04.923 --> 05:06.164 Come on, I got it. 05:06.184 --> 05:07.064 Oh! 05:16.420 --> 05:20.947 We're doing one of our hits here in a second. 05:22.550 --> 05:23.171 Here we go. 05:23.191 --> 05:23.352 Set. 05:29.432 --> 05:35.173 It's very striking that the only thing left to do is ignore now. 05:35.834 --> 05:42.116 So yes, Jessica, Jonathan, I expect more people will block Jessica Rose. 05:43.743 --> 05:47.146 It's a lot of people now, but you know, I've been saying it quite clearly. 05:47.786 --> 05:59.656 You can't call people traitors repeatedly on a social media platform and expect them to continue to not block you if possible, because they're cowards and they're traitors. 06:00.477 --> 06:01.057 If they weren't, 06:01.778 --> 06:14.305 then they would have a response to something, to the lies that are on display on my substack and on that of Housatonic Live, on the lies that I have displayed on my stream. 06:14.906 --> 06:17.967 None of these people have a response because they are coordinated liars. 06:19.068 --> 06:23.310 And it is Americans in coordination with people from the UK and elsewhere. 06:23.770 --> 06:29.553 That's why Charles Rixey is working with that person in Japan or wherever he lives. 06:30.053 --> 06:33.155 And that's why Jessica was working with Jonathan and others. 06:34.115 --> 06:39.418 It is a coordinated demolition of our respective republics by traitors in each country. 06:39.958 --> 06:41.779 And we need to wake up. 06:42.939 --> 06:43.960 Happy 4th of July. 07:10.273 --> 07:10.453 Look. 07:53.689 --> 07:55.230 I think truth is good for kids. 07:55.670 --> 07:59.451 We're so busy lying, we don't even recognize the truth no more in society. 07:59.971 --> 08:01.612 We want everybody to feel good. 08:01.732 --> 08:03.973 That's not, that's not the way life is. 08:06.494 --> 08:10.415 But you can tell if someone's lying, you know, you can sort of feel it in people. 08:12.216 --> 08:12.916 And I have lied. 08:12.936 --> 08:13.976 I'm sure I'll lie again. 08:13.996 --> 08:14.936 I don't want to lie. 08:15.397 --> 08:16.757 You know, I don't think I'm a liar. 08:16.877 --> 08:17.898 I try not to be a liar. 08:17.938 --> 08:18.778 I don't want to be a liar. 08:19.338 --> 08:22.059 I think it's like really important not to be a liar. 08:24.270 --> 08:44.465 introduce Jonathan, who's going to talk about his latest kind of distillation of what the pandemic means to society, to biology, to science, and to democracy, and the whole kind of idea of empiricism and integrity. 08:45.566 --> 08:48.848 And then each of us, this incredible preeminent 08:50.069 --> 08:54.008 that we have each one of you is going to get a chance to comment. 08:57.827 --> 09:10.712 It doesn't matter much at all what you believe about vaccines until we invent really important ones, until we have a pandemic that's killing everyone, and it's measles plus. 09:10.732 --> 09:16.354 Okay, I can tolerate what you think about measles, because not that many people die from it. 09:16.654 --> 09:18.595 It's just a big hassle in the end. 09:21.736 --> 09:34.945 When we have this new pandemic that is, you know, got 75% mortality and it's not, it's, there'll be no pretense of being polite in the face of these beliefs. 09:35.005 --> 09:37.607 It'll be a moral emergency because it has to be. 09:41.707 --> 09:45.850 I'm afraid that the latest data tells us that we're dealing with essentially a worst case scenario. 09:46.190 --> 09:50.514 I'm afraid that the latest data tells us that we're dealing with essentially a worst case scenario. 09:50.914 --> 09:55.197 I'm afraid that the latest data tells us that we're dealing with essentially a worst case scenario. 09:55.257 --> 10:00.441 Now, Dr. Gallo and Dr. Fauci talked a lot about isolation and purification. 10:00.922 --> 10:02.583 Can you tell me what the difference is between the two? 10:02.623 --> 10:04.784 Isolation? 10:04.804 --> 10:05.085 What was that? 10:05.105 --> 10:06.746 Isolation and purification. 10:08.587 --> 10:09.228 Of the virus? 10:10.831 --> 10:21.876 Well, you isolate a virus by finding the virus which causes a disease. 10:22.456 --> 10:24.877 You purify a virus by making a lot of it. 10:24.897 --> 10:27.298 I mean, just by purifying it so you get a pure virus. 10:28.198 --> 10:30.039 I don't understand what the... I see. 10:30.139 --> 10:38.023 It was the same thing, or if it was two totally different... No, it depends on how they used it. 10:39.894 --> 10:42.356 Can you explain the process of HIV isolation? 10:44.858 --> 10:46.800 Well, didn't Dr. Gallo do that? 10:46.880 --> 10:52.905 I mean, he actually isolated it, so... I mean, why should I do all of this? 10:52.985 --> 10:55.026 This is all textbook stuff you're asking me. 11:01.854 --> 11:02.094 so so 11:42.304 --> 11:45.907 I'd trust your instincts on that one there, left-hand monkey wrench. 11:45.927 --> 11:48.408 I would definitely trust your instincts on that one. 11:49.189 --> 11:49.609 Hello. 11:50.330 --> 11:52.551 Happy Independence Day, everybody in America. 11:52.632 --> 11:54.193 It's giga home biological. 12:11.872 --> 12:20.796 It's interesting that Mark's theory and Mark's, uh, it's not really a theory, you know, it's not really a theory. 12:20.816 --> 12:30.361 What Mark has put forth is pretty solid evidence that Corey was involved in the Floyd thing around the same time that he was involved in the New York stuff. 12:31.241 --> 12:32.582 And that's it. 12:32.902 --> 12:36.904 I mean, Mark is not somebody who just makes weird statements. 12:37.765 --> 12:44.348 He's a guy who backs up things and archives things before he announces that he might know something. 12:44.928 --> 12:46.729 And he's never really said that he knows anything. 12:46.769 --> 12:47.750 He just reads stuff. 12:48.510 --> 12:49.471 and post stuff. 12:49.991 --> 13:10.630 And so it's really strange how everybody just tries so hard to ignore his, his, his website, which is really just composed of stuff that he's gathered off the internet and organized under headings with names, which, you know, is one way to look at the truth, I guess, from a couple different angles. 13:10.690 --> 13:12.832 And I'm, I'm kind of thinking that because 13:13.942 --> 13:19.945 The truth isn't what they're concerned about, but rather what's perceived to be true is what they're concerned about. 13:19.985 --> 13:21.966 I think that's the reason why they don't like Mark. 13:22.646 --> 13:24.427 That's why they don't like his website. 13:24.467 --> 13:36.853 That's why nobody wants you to just go to Mark's website and explore Robert Malone or explore Hilary Kaprowski because they want you to perceive something else. 13:37.953 --> 13:40.775 They want you to understand something else to be true. 13:43.877 --> 14:01.432 and ignore all these other things I'm gonna click on that link actually because you know what I'm not afraid of it I'm pretty sure we're not gonna find something scary there so I'll click on it in a minute 14:04.554 --> 14:07.497 Yeah, just make sure you realize that there was no spread in New York City. 14:07.537 --> 14:15.085 Infectious clones, that's the term that you need to be afraid of and you need to understand in order to realize what virology is and what it isn't. 14:15.105 --> 14:18.468 Placebo batches were likely the big secret. 14:19.830 --> 14:23.233 And transfection in healthy mammals was always dumb. 14:25.767 --> 14:28.708 Not only that, but the protocols were definitely murder. 14:28.768 --> 14:36.111 And one of the main ways that they got somebody sliding into the COVID protocol was with a little extra supplemental oxygen. 14:37.071 --> 14:39.572 And that's one thing that, again, nobody wants to talk about. 14:39.592 --> 14:42.353 They want to talk about how gait of function is so dangerous. 14:42.373 --> 14:43.454 It's a mythology. 14:44.214 --> 14:48.275 And they want you to get involved in solving the mystery of that lab leak. 14:48.315 --> 14:49.656 And that's really a... 14:50.396 --> 14:53.457 That's really the national security operation in a nutshell. 14:53.497 --> 15:08.559 You've been fooled into solving a mystery and a spectacular commitment to lies by all of these people on both sides of the narrative is all that's required in order for you to stay suck-stuck and in order for you to teach that mythology to your children. 15:09.759 --> 15:18.861 And that's why Jessica has resulted in blocking rather than making a comment on my sub stack about what in the hell she meant by that email she sent me. 15:19.671 --> 15:25.477 or making a comment on Mark's substack about what the hell she meant by that text message she sent him. 15:27.179 --> 15:31.564 And instead they are attributing bad motives and more importantly they are ignoring me. 15:31.584 --> 15:34.687 See they're not going on social media and saying Jay is a liar. 15:35.248 --> 15:39.632 They're not going on social media and saying Jay is a biological nutcase. 15:40.489 --> 16:02.734 They're just ignoring me because these weaponized piles of money and the traders that they fund are probably, you know, this is all part of the same little five eyes operation where weaponized piles of money and intelligence agencies from these countries have convinced us to argue about the origins of the novel virus so that we participate in that argument. 16:02.774 --> 16:07.395 And when we participate in that argument, the premise of the novel virus is accepted by default. 16:08.314 --> 16:18.497 And therefore, we are being governed by a theater that spans from mainstream media all the way to social media platforms like Twitter and includes all sides of this mythology. 16:18.557 --> 16:24.999 That's the reason why average folk don't rise virally as they have the best ideas. 16:25.079 --> 16:32.582 Rather, people that work for the Human Genome Project and are connected to these people through their fathers and through their mothers are the ones who have risen up 16:33.562 --> 16:59.612 into social media platform fame with hundreds of thousands of substack subscribers and once you see it for what it is that an emu farmer and horse breeder can't put out 25 pages of substack a day every day for two years you start to see it for what it really is and there aren't going to be everybody's not going to be able to see it because everybody's not going to be able to understand what social media is because they've been fooled 17:02.426 --> 17:10.853 they've been fooled into believing that social media is the early manifestation of their God, of artificial intelligence. 17:11.514 --> 17:19.341 And that, you know, it's still something that we don't really understand how it works, or it's hard to explain why some people go viral and other people don't. 17:19.401 --> 17:28.369 And so they still think that it's a lottery that they might eventually win, or that it's something that actually reflects a reality that connects us all together. 17:28.409 --> 17:29.189 And in reality, 17:29.950 --> 17:47.017 The only thing they've been using this to do is to disconnect us from ourselves, from creation, and it's time that we wake ourselves up and wake our kids up because the same people have been behind this for a very long time. 17:47.984 --> 17:51.366 That's the reason why one face in particular is always there. 17:52.027 --> 17:55.609 Always there for 38, 39, going on 40 years. 17:56.230 --> 18:01.334 We've got to take the power back from these charlatans and we inherited this situation from our parents. 18:01.374 --> 18:05.136 So it's going to be difficult, but not impossible to get out. 18:06.557 --> 18:15.484 As long as we start to recognize that these are not different, these people are not any different, as long as they are not fighting the narrative at the heart of this. 18:16.482 --> 18:20.149 which is this implausible biology, this impossible biology. 18:20.890 --> 18:29.565 And if we're going to get out of this alive, and our kids are going to get out of this with freedom, we're going to have to make gentle the life of this world as we break this mythology. 18:31.823 --> 18:39.551 Yeah, social media is your coming prison companion, and social media is in fact an artificial wave. 18:40.352 --> 18:47.159 It's an artificial wave of consensus, and if you want to surf social media in a useful way, it's quite a skill. 18:47.620 --> 18:54.086 You're gonna need somebody to help you see it, most likely, because otherwise it's gonna cost you a lot of pain in order to see it. 18:55.247 --> 19:07.930 It cost me a lot of pain, three years of pain, thinking that I was being helped, thinking that I was being encouraged, thinking that they were supporting my family, when in reality I was being swept up into a wave of consensus. 19:08.650 --> 19:14.112 And until I focused on the biology and I stopped taking their bait, which included, oh Jay, you're so smart. 19:15.072 --> 19:23.238 and I stopped thinking about that instead tried to love my neighbor again and think about how I could do that with this stream did I start to see through it. 19:23.879 --> 19:42.133 So social media users out there and in America especially we need to stay focused we can't take their bait on social media even the even the really tempting stuff and we got to start looking to love our neighbor again in the next few months because these are a few critical months so if you can't support the stream please do something to share it 19:43.334 --> 19:45.697 This stream is called Giga Ohm Biological. 19:45.777 --> 19:58.355 It's named after a level of resistance that is achieved during a recording that I used to make, an electrical recording that I used to make when I was an academic biologist and a catamagician. 19:59.176 --> 20:02.138 My last job was at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. 20:03.799 --> 20:05.339 Technically speaking, I wasn't fired. 20:05.359 --> 20:08.481 They just sent me home and then paid the rest of my contract out. 20:09.422 --> 20:13.384 But that did ruin my career because, of course, I couldn't get recommendations. 20:14.264 --> 20:19.069 And how am I going to continue working for a university if the last university wouldn't even talk to me anymore? 20:19.590 --> 20:29.279 There is a paradigm shift coming, ladies and gentlemen, an understanding shift where a lot of people on earth are going to come to understand public health as based on an illusion. 20:30.460 --> 20:35.742 an illusion that was only sustained through our active participation and the participation of our doctors. 20:36.562 --> 20:45.425 And people like Welcome the Eagle, I think, are helping us do that because he is, again, trying to bring truth to the bears narrative. 20:45.545 --> 20:50.307 And I think that's one of the reasons why a lot of these heroes up until now have been largely ignoring him. 20:50.987 --> 20:55.009 If we want to engage in a non-compliance, you've got to understand how they've done it. 20:55.049 --> 20:57.610 And that's what my goal is here at Giga Home Biological. 20:57.630 --> 20:58.250 I'll be right back. 21:02.125 --> 21:02.185 do 21:29.215 --> 21:30.376 Good morning, everybody. 21:31.096 --> 21:35.319 Right after the slide switches, I'll click on this link and see if I can't. 21:37.541 --> 21:45.827 So the original study is where the original study conclude. 21:53.922 --> 22:00.544 I'm looking at the study that somebody dropped in the thing about COVID's hidden toll, full body scans or some shit. 22:01.265 --> 22:03.625 I'm trying to see where the original finding is. 22:03.645 --> 22:07.067 200 symptoms of what? 22:07.807 --> 22:08.647 Long COVID? 22:08.807 --> 22:09.187 Oh boy. 22:10.128 --> 22:11.868 Autopsy shows some studies. 22:11.908 --> 22:13.129 Where is the original study? 22:13.209 --> 22:14.589 Long COVID is far from being. 22:17.830 --> 22:21.132 Far more likely to have a new study adds weight. 22:21.232 --> 22:22.172 Where is the new study? 22:28.839 --> 22:30.780 I don't think that's the new study. 22:31.600 --> 22:32.781 Maybe that is the new study. 22:32.801 --> 22:33.501 Let me click on it. 22:34.121 --> 22:37.522 No, that just takes me to another link of their same shit. 22:37.802 --> 22:39.003 See, this is what I don't like. 22:39.283 --> 22:43.464 Where is the actual study? 22:43.484 --> 22:44.304 Do you have that link? 22:45.705 --> 22:46.525 Science.org. 22:46.845 --> 22:48.125 That didn't open for me. 22:48.305 --> 22:48.846 There it goes. 22:49.206 --> 22:49.626 Okay. 22:50.546 --> 22:51.927 I don't think I can get this with my... 22:55.623 --> 22:58.524 I don't think I can get this with my PIT thing. 23:01.846 --> 23:06.248 It sounds really crazy, but I don't think PIT actually subscribes to science directly. 23:06.328 --> 23:06.908 I can't get it. 23:06.928 --> 23:09.970 I always have to get it off of somebody else. 23:11.510 --> 23:16.693 Term long COVID, many drivers of long COVID have been out here, provide compelling evidence. 23:18.203 --> 23:27.032 Persistent aberrant T cell using whole body positron imaging with a tracer that selectively tags activated T cells. 23:36.164 --> 23:50.535 We identified intracellular SARS-CoV-2 single-stranded spike protein encoding RNA in the laminate appropriate tissue of all five participants and double-stranded spike protein encoding RNA in three participants up to 676 days after initial COVID-19, suggesting 23:54.338 --> 23:57.759 tissue viral persistence could be associated with long term. 23:58.399 --> 24:08.761 So it's very interesting because they say they find spike protein RNA in a couple places, and double stranded spike protein encoding RNA in three participants. 24:08.801 --> 24:15.102 I don't know how they differentiate between double stranded spike encoding RNA and single stranded spike encoding RNA. 24:15.122 --> 24:20.423 I'm sure there's some amazing methodology that makes that a very high 24:22.489 --> 24:27.409 I mean, I'll read it if you can find it, if I can get the thing, but if I can get the PDF, I'm just not. 24:28.703 --> 24:35.027 This is increased T cell activation in these tissues was also observed in many tissue individuals without long COVID. 24:36.208 --> 24:56.220 So some of these people are long COVID, some of them they are, it sounds like to me, it's gonna be one of these studies that will misconstrue like things like chronic fatigue syndrome with long COVID and just lump them all together and then say, look, we can find something in, I mean, you're trusting, 24:57.096 --> 25:00.198 You're trusting their tracer, first of all, we have to see what the tracer is. 25:00.218 --> 25:04.980 And then we're going to have to see how they find this single-stranded spike protein encoding. 25:05.000 --> 25:07.641 I mean, that's pretty remarkable claim anyway. 25:10.883 --> 25:12.264 It is July 4th, 2024. 25:13.304 --> 25:18.047 It's a gigaohm biological high resistance low noise information brief brought to you by a biologist. 25:18.840 --> 25:22.901 I'm coming to you live from Pittsburgh in the back of my garage as usual. 25:22.921 --> 25:25.522 It is 1245 already. 25:25.542 --> 25:27.643 I know how this usually goes faster than that. 25:27.683 --> 25:30.524 But you know, it's a vacation day and the kids are home. 25:31.144 --> 25:36.586 An intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system remains dumb. 25:37.146 --> 25:56.848 Transfection in healthy humans was always criminally negligent and thousands of academic biologists should have known better, and RNA cannot pandemic because RNA does not possess the chemical and biological qualities necessary to copy itself through thousands, never mind millions of infections, and therefore RNA cannot pandemic. 25:59.306 --> 26:09.609 It is a very serious problem that we have right now because we have a coordinated effort on all sides of social media to portray this as a worst case scenario. 26:10.009 --> 26:21.453 And we are just detecting sequences, but they're sequences that apparently just came out of a bat cave or a laboratory and then spread all around the world consistently in different patterns for five years now. 26:22.453 --> 26:24.093 And was it a lab leak? 26:24.113 --> 26:25.314 Are they killing us? 26:25.354 --> 26:26.854 Who's coming to our rescue? 26:27.314 --> 26:28.795 Is everything under their control? 26:28.835 --> 26:33.456 These are all questions that these people are asking in a very breathless sort of way. 26:33.856 --> 26:41.458 And it all has to do with this laboratory or bat cave zoonosis idea, or no viruses at all, one, two, or three. 26:42.512 --> 26:45.954 and the illusion of consensus that those are the only three places to be. 26:46.514 --> 26:56.220 Either you think it's a bat cave virus and you're kind of dumb, or you think it's a lab leak virus and you finally figured it out, or you think it's no virus and you're really dumb. 26:56.780 --> 27:00.962 And I'm not saying that people who say that it's no virus are really dumb. 27:01.423 --> 27:07.146 I'm saying that's the general consensus of most of the people that have solved the mystery at this stage. 27:07.546 --> 27:12.569 They realize that there are two lesser positions and an acceptable consensus position. 27:12.969 --> 27:16.531 And that's the illusion of consensus that the whole world is under. 27:17.832 --> 27:27.797 And they would, almost any adult that you know of that uses their phone regularly, if you were to ask them, are there three positions about the pandemic? 27:27.837 --> 27:32.620 They would say yes, and they would be able to very succinctly describe what I just did. 27:33.666 --> 27:38.588 Two of those positions accept the existence of the novel pathogen. 27:38.968 --> 27:54.073 And one of those positions does not, or did not, and it may soon, but did not adequately question the foundation of the narrative up to and including the murdering and lying about it in order to cover up that illusion. 27:54.713 --> 28:03.076 And that's where I think a crucial mistake was made, or more importantly, a crucial part of the script was played out. 28:04.420 --> 28:05.901 You can see it a couple different ways. 28:05.981 --> 28:09.783 For me, it seems fairly obvious that it was a crucial part of the script. 28:10.424 --> 28:32.497 And it may be that now some of those people that were put into that position very early in 2020 and 2021 are now going to be maneuvered in such a way so that that no virus position can be subtly adjusted to mean, oh no, we mean some and some things and whatever they can mean will mean that the vaccine schedule is bad and that's fine. 28:33.297 --> 28:35.599 But it will be very orchestrated. 28:35.639 --> 28:41.244 You have to be very careful because a lot of these people are starting to pivot to supporting Bobby Kennedy now. 28:41.764 --> 28:45.867 Donald Trump is starting to talk about chronic disease and the toxins in the environment. 28:46.448 --> 28:52.173 And so you're going to see very possibly Donald Trump choosing Bobby Kennedy as his running mate. 28:52.970 --> 29:04.657 And then we'll see chapter 13 of Don't Start the Revolution Without Me come true when Donald Trump gets run over by his own motorcade and Bobby Kennedy ascends to the White House. 29:07.259 --> 29:10.000 Well, you heard it here first if it happens, you know, that's all. 29:12.628 --> 29:15.450 All social media worst case scenario is just this, right? 29:15.490 --> 29:18.312 It's the same exact story. 29:18.392 --> 29:22.856 It's a story about a incapacitating agent. 29:22.936 --> 29:24.657 It's a story about amyloidosis. 29:24.717 --> 29:26.979 It's a story about coming pre-on disaster. 29:27.499 --> 29:40.209 It's a story about their control over these things and their secret technologies and their secret dominance and their racially designed viral weapons 29:42.483 --> 29:45.665 they could make racially designed transfections really easy. 29:46.485 --> 29:53.009 They could make a racially designed transformation, adenovirus transformation methodology really easy. 29:54.089 --> 30:07.337 But a self-replicating, you know, obligate pathogen of some kind that just can grow for like a really, really, really, really, really long time, like 10 years, 20 years, and it just stays there. 30:14.403 --> 30:19.005 And so these people are trying to cover it up by very particular strategy. 30:19.466 --> 30:23.568 The COVID shots are bad, and they're much worse than the old shots ever were. 30:24.688 --> 30:27.069 And don't talk about 2020, and then we can move on. 30:28.450 --> 30:31.632 But that's not going to work for me, because the faith is a lie. 30:31.692 --> 30:33.273 Transfection is real. 30:34.304 --> 30:40.707 And if you see it as what it is, and how these people have done it, of course, we're looking at it every day, all the time. 30:40.787 --> 30:54.214 I showed this thing yesterday, I want to show it again, because I think it's important to see the pattern that two people from the intellectual dark web talked to Vivek, and now another guy that they used to promote on the intellectual dark web talks to Vivek. 30:54.654 --> 31:16.520 and then two more intellectual dark web guys talk to each other, and that guy's also talking about the same things that they're talking about, and then Joe Rogan, the head of the intellectual dark web guys, or one of them, is talking about something, so then they have to talk about it, and then another two of the intellectual dark web people come on to the same, and then they talk to Bobby, and then they talk to Phil, and then Phil talks to Bobby, and Phil talks to 31:17.000 --> 31:17.821 to Netanyahu. 31:17.861 --> 31:23.765 And then also this guy talks to the lady from Fox and then the lady from Fox talks about Biden and talks with Bannon. 31:24.145 --> 31:26.146 And so they've all talked to Bannon too, of course. 31:26.166 --> 31:30.329 And then, of course, the other guy from the intellectual dark web has to talk to Bobby up there. 31:30.649 --> 31:34.732 And then this guy that they also promote as part of the intellectual dark web has got to talk to Vivek. 31:35.072 --> 31:38.975 And then he's also got to use the exact same photograph to talk about the Democrats panicking. 31:39.335 --> 31:41.957 And then we have, of course, Tucker, one of the greatest examples. 31:42.017 --> 31:43.098 He's kind of like David Icke. 31:43.538 --> 31:46.500 He's allowed to say the truth because he also has got to say bullshit. 31:46.900 --> 31:53.105 And so as long as you combine that in a nice, nicely portioned sandwich, you're allowed to get away with whatever you want to. 31:53.165 --> 31:54.947 I think that's also what this guy represents. 31:54.987 --> 32:13.442 And that's why he does the tour of these same layered networks of media that aren't actually real, but were propped up in 2008 or propped up in 2001, or whenever they were propped up, they've been propped up ever since, populating the internet with people that were under control. 32:14.488 --> 32:21.815 And so that's why you see that guy on this guy's show, who also gets Ben Shapiro, of course he does, and gets that guy too, because he does the whole rounds as well. 32:24.418 --> 32:33.187 And so they've got guys on the right, they've got these people in Australia that make fun of us, they've got these people in the UK that make fun of us, and also promote the same people that we are supposed to watch. 32:34.378 --> 32:39.700 legitimizing them at the same time as they make fun of America in the same way that all of these people do. 32:40.140 --> 32:52.323 And so we are slowly being made to accept the idea that America is responsible for this, and America's falling apart anyway, and it's rotting in from the inside, and nobody likes the white people, and so we might as well burn this whole place down. 32:53.924 --> 33:01.386 And it is a coordinated effort among people that are being fueled and paid for by people like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk. 33:02.560 --> 33:22.496 Giant weaponized piles of money and nonsense things like locals and and rifle black rifle coffee are all being used to fuel this this Control by mythology governance by podcast and That's where their weaknesses 33:24.451 --> 33:27.852 because we can also resist via podcast. 33:28.372 --> 33:34.553 We can also fight for freedom via podcast if we start to share it in the right way and we start to say the right things. 33:35.413 --> 33:41.135 If somebody like Joe Marshall could get more than 120 subscribers on Rumble, that'd be a great start. 33:41.595 --> 33:46.796 If I could ever break more than 3,500 subscribers on Twitch, that would be great. 33:46.836 --> 33:52.017 If I could get above 15K on Twitter, but I mean, come on, who cares about that platform? 33:52.797 --> 33:55.178 We need people sharing PeerTube. 33:55.918 --> 33:59.040 Because PeerTube, if we keep paying for it, won't go away. 33:59.640 --> 34:01.221 PeerTube has no login. 34:01.741 --> 34:04.342 PeerTube has no requirement to give an email. 34:05.162 --> 34:07.484 And PeerTube will allow you to download now. 34:07.904 --> 34:11.905 You can download all of our stuff from PeerTube and put it up wherever you want to. 34:11.985 --> 34:14.206 Cut it into a million pieces so you can make fun of me. 34:14.246 --> 34:14.827 I don't care. 34:15.427 --> 34:17.408 Because the truth will take care of itself. 34:19.642 --> 34:21.583 None of these people mention Ron Klain. 34:22.203 --> 34:23.864 Have you looked him up yet since yesterday? 34:24.304 --> 34:31.167 None of these people mention Averill Haynes or Jake Sullivan or Anthony Blinken or Joe Biden or Jill Biden, excuse me. 34:32.228 --> 34:33.588 Especially Ron Klain. 34:33.628 --> 34:34.909 Nobody ever talks about him. 34:35.429 --> 34:36.449 It's super annoying. 34:36.489 --> 34:41.832 He's a good one to look at because you can see that if there's one Ron Klain, there's a lot more of them. 34:46.754 --> 34:48.315 And they're all on the same team. 34:49.426 --> 34:54.349 I wouldn't be willing to bet that Robert Malone is probably shaking hands with Ron Klain. 34:54.810 --> 34:59.153 I'd be willing to bet that Kevin McKernan is shaking hands with some of these people. 35:02.435 --> 35:08.559 And because Bobby's dad worked with Brett and Eric's dad, I don't know, just seems kind of fishy to me. 35:09.932 --> 35:22.481 I'm just at a loss for words at this stage that Robert Malone wants us to believe in avian flu, and he wants us to believe in henzoinosis, and he wants us to believe in gain of function in avian flu. 35:22.962 --> 35:27.145 And so does actually the Brownstone Institute and Children's Health Defense. 35:27.205 --> 35:35.791 They all believe that gain of function happens in flu viruses and can endanger the world just like gain of function in coronaviruses. 35:37.393 --> 35:38.413 And that's really terrifying. 35:42.770 --> 35:45.833 That's absolutely, oops, that's absolutely terrifying. 35:46.714 --> 35:48.797 Because who's coming to the rescue then? 35:50.178 --> 36:01.370 If the Brownstone Institute believes, and Children's Health Defense believes, and Robert Malone believes, well, holy shit, where are we going to go here? 36:07.048 --> 36:08.670 So I wanted to go to this thing. 36:08.710 --> 36:16.577 I'm gonna read this email that I posted on my sub stack on May 20th, 2024. 36:16.978 --> 36:24.225 And this email was sent to one Gabe Mason or Mason in, I don't know where he lives, somewhere in Canada. 36:24.825 --> 36:30.170 And the day before he had interviewed me and after the interview, because I had recorded it, 36:30.931 --> 36:36.912 And because I was kind of skeptical about what he was going to do with it, and he told me it would take him a few weeks to put it out. 36:38.193 --> 36:45.054 I wanted to put a transcript of it out so that any interesting tidbits that I had said in the video could be published already. 36:45.994 --> 36:48.835 And so he reacts in a funny way. 36:49.475 --> 36:57.277 You know, I might have worded my email rather coarsely, but I think what I said was, is that the interview is of me. 36:58.931 --> 37:03.335 So it's not your interview, and it's not your content. 37:03.355 --> 37:04.436 You were interviewing me. 37:04.536 --> 37:05.517 Therefore, it's mine. 37:05.597 --> 37:06.818 I can do what I want with it. 37:07.579 --> 37:09.841 And so he says, I'm a bit confused. 37:10.462 --> 37:11.763 Let me get my mouse over here. 37:12.304 --> 37:15.046 I'm a bit confused about your message, JJ. 37:15.387 --> 37:16.267 Notice JJ. 37:18.106 --> 37:27.333 It seems like you're speaking as you've just made a decision to put my name out there with a full transcript of a project that I haven't myself even started to put up online. 37:28.173 --> 37:32.456 Keep in mind that on that YouTube channel there with only 1,560 subscribers, he's got 90 videos. 37:40.580 --> 37:43.664 So this was some project, I guess he was going to do in English. 37:44.946 --> 37:49.852 And so he says, I've already assured you that no editing to your words will be done. 37:49.872 --> 37:57.642 And I have no intention to split out pieces of this conversation, to spit out pieces of this conversation out there out of context. 37:58.283 --> 38:07.372 But you could give the whole conversation to my enemies and they could use it as intel on how and what talking points to absorb, right? 38:07.953 --> 38:12.277 He could do that, which is why I was concerned about what he was going to do. 38:12.817 --> 38:15.780 So he says, the quick feeling. 38:16.861 --> 38:38.547 Get is this you will basically steal my material and put it up on your website before I release it myself Even just a full transcript is definitely going to prevent some people in the future to watch the video If they already had the transcript weeks before I don't have my name out there in the English world No presence, so you would just put me out there without my consent in an area. 38:38.607 --> 38:43.849 That's that's quite controversial On 38:44.913 --> 38:51.642 One part of our relationship I was fully transparent and gave you informed consent prior to our engagement to the show. 38:51.702 --> 38:53.904 That was, one, pre-recorded. 38:54.004 --> 38:56.327 Two, no official release date was settled yet. 38:56.407 --> 38:58.150 It might take up a few weeks. 38:58.650 --> 39:01.413 You accepted the terms and condition and we proceeded. 39:02.688 --> 39:19.859 But that's not what's going on now, is that you're coming in after our contract was fulfilled and telling me that you are choosing with no consultation with me that you will put up the material on your website as a transcript, and you're not trusting me to hold my word that I will not edit or cite out of context. 39:19.919 --> 39:22.641 It's not about out of context, it's about sharing it with people. 39:24.448 --> 39:28.359 And I said that very clearly, but I've never agreed to these terms and conditions. 39:28.439 --> 39:29.964 I do not have informed consent. 39:29.984 --> 39:32.090 There is no we in that decision at all, JJ. 39:36.176 --> 39:40.159 I believe that if you're choosing to do this, it is not respectful of the scientific method. 39:40.780 --> 39:43.782 Do you see how this is problematic and not logical? 39:44.363 --> 39:50.547 So, as a direct reply, I am definitely not giving you consent to release a transcript of the conversation before I put the episode out. 39:50.667 --> 39:53.169 I am reiterating my promise to you not to bring this stuff out. 39:53.209 --> 39:58.633 You said publicly, or out of context, or trying to capitalize on it as we already agreed together, as in we. 39:59.474 --> 40:01.315 You will not see this anywhere online. 40:01.395 --> 40:02.156 Oh God, it's great. 40:02.256 --> 40:04.437 But you give it to a lot of people and I think he did. 40:05.037 --> 40:07.499 And so let's watch this funny little video. 40:08.480 --> 40:14.984 Remember the reason why I put this, this email up was not to bust him, right? 40:15.064 --> 40:20.287 It was just to make sure that my video wasn't released out of context to make sure that everybody saw what's going on. 40:20.327 --> 40:21.808 This is really nonsense to me. 40:22.987 --> 40:27.068 And this happened in May, more than a few weeks ago. 40:27.588 --> 40:30.469 We're looking at six weeks now, something like that. 40:31.109 --> 40:32.629 So I think it's a good time. 40:43.071 --> 40:50.333 So I just gotta get into my file explorer here and look at the, ooh, that's gonna be tricky. 40:51.485 --> 40:52.665 I didn't think about that. 40:53.285 --> 40:54.946 OK. 40:57.366 --> 41:00.347 Not sure this is going to be possible, but I'm going to try it. 41:00.647 --> 41:02.207 It's going to be mad at me when I do it. 41:02.427 --> 41:03.187 Maybe it'll let me. 41:03.207 --> 41:04.208 So it was 518, was it? 41:04.248 --> 41:04.948 Let's see. 41:04.968 --> 41:04.948 518, 516, 17, 19. 41:07.608 --> 41:09.789 That's the one. 41:24.312 --> 41:36.077 Copy and then I'm gonna have to put this on the desktop because otherwise this This computer is gonna get very angry at me and then I don't it'll probably mess up the recording So just give me a second. 41:36.117 --> 41:51.163 Let me run it to the It'll take me a second Matt eret did get back to me We tried to schedule something tentatively for this Sunday, but this Sunday is the last day that my I 41:52.472 --> 41:56.595 My family will be here for a week or two, so I'm not sure if Sunday's going to work. 41:56.615 --> 42:02.119 But I'll get to Matt probably tonight and see what we do. 42:06.101 --> 42:09.564 I don't know how many more interviews I really need to do on my own stream. 42:11.085 --> 42:18.610 This stream is kind of more for me, for me to teach and for me to study hall. 42:19.110 --> 42:21.252 And I don't know. 42:22.813 --> 42:27.256 I've wasted a lot of time in the last few weeks doing interviews that don't come out. 42:27.497 --> 42:31.600 And that's why I'm doing this show because this is an interview that hasn't come out. 42:31.840 --> 42:34.262 And I think that that's how they waste your time and energy. 42:35.943 --> 42:49.554 If they make you do an interview and then they don't put it up, they make you do a trip away and then they don't put up the interview or they put up somebody else's interview live, but they don't put yours up until weeks later. 42:51.075 --> 42:52.095 It's all just kind of, 42:52.892 --> 42:55.014 It's all just kind of the same nonsense game. 42:56.215 --> 43:07.543 And meanwhile, people like Robert Malone and Jessica Rose have to write a few substacks with AI or with a staff, and they get all kinds of followers. 43:07.643 --> 43:12.587 And so some of these people have fallen face first into the butter and get $10,000 or $20,000 a month just from their 43:15.089 --> 43:29.098 from their substack and other people like Mark Kulak still have 6,000 followers on YouTube and get regular videos struck when they mention people's names or talk about stuff that you can't even really know for sure what he talked about. 43:31.320 --> 43:33.201 So that I think just copied over. 43:33.221 --> 43:35.302 Is that correct? 43:36.143 --> 43:37.384 I don't see it anywhere. 43:37.404 --> 43:39.525 Why don't I see it? 43:40.205 --> 43:40.586 There it is. 43:40.666 --> 43:41.026 Is that it? 43:45.114 --> 43:46.895 Ah, sorry guys, this is annoying. 43:47.235 --> 43:48.095 I gotta go to this one. 43:52.356 --> 43:53.717 I think this is the right one. 43:53.757 --> 43:54.417 I hope this is... Phil? 43:54.917 --> 43:55.938 Yeah. 43:56.158 --> 43:57.698 Mr. Cooley or Jay is fine. 43:57.718 --> 43:59.919 You don't have to call me Mr. Cooley for a whole two hours. 43:59.979 --> 44:01.719 I mean, this is the last time. 44:02.039 --> 44:02.780 Just call me Jay. 44:04.860 --> 44:05.240 All right. 44:05.380 --> 44:09.242 Well, I'll take that as the acceptance from you. 44:09.662 --> 44:10.002 Excellent. 44:10.382 --> 44:13.083 So listen, so I don't want to... Phil? 44:14.529 --> 44:16.312 Uh, Mr. Cooey or Jay is fine. 44:16.332 --> 44:18.636 You don't have to call me Mr. Cooey for a whole two hours. 44:18.696 --> 44:20.419 I mean, this is the last time. 44:20.760 --> 44:21.461 Just call me Jay. 44:23.575 --> 44:23.915 All right. 44:24.075 --> 44:27.936 Well, I'll take that as the acceptance from you. 44:28.356 --> 44:28.717 Excellent. 44:29.077 --> 44:34.598 So listen, so I don't want to take too much time before we start, but I... So I don't have him. 44:34.958 --> 44:36.339 I don't have his video, right? 44:36.379 --> 44:38.239 Because it's in Pennsylvania. 44:38.559 --> 44:41.320 And although he was recording, I was also recording. 44:41.340 --> 44:45.902 And just to be sure, I didn't record his video, but he knew I was recording. 44:47.651 --> 44:51.597 Everybody who comes on my stream or interviews me knows that I'm recording. 44:54.426 --> 44:57.868 reiterate my extreme gratitude for you being here today. 44:58.088 --> 45:04.732 It's extremely appreciated from me because, you know, I'm not a familiar face for you. 45:04.952 --> 45:07.313 And I kind of insisted a little bit in my email. 45:07.353 --> 45:09.194 So I hope that was not out of place. 45:09.775 --> 45:12.556 So thanks again for getting back to me and accepting to be here today. 45:13.297 --> 45:20.801 So did you want to, you know, talk a little bit about any details that you felt needed clarification or anything before we start? 45:22.550 --> 45:34.939 I mean who are you and what what's your deal with regard to the pandemic and stuff like I'm just kind of I I said yes, I Guess kind of thinking you were a different game. 45:35.000 --> 45:36.481 So, oh really? 45:36.621 --> 45:37.942 I'm kind of I'm open. 45:38.402 --> 45:43.046 I Don't really mind but do you have a podcast that you run? 45:43.086 --> 45:45.348 I mean, are we gonna be broadcast over radio? 45:45.368 --> 45:45.488 So 45:51.784 --> 46:00.569 The very short summary is basically I studied physics at the university, engineering physics in Montreal Polytechnique, and I did not graduate. 46:00.589 --> 46:01.509 So I'm not a scientist. 46:01.770 --> 46:04.091 I do not have an academic career or anything like that. 46:05.372 --> 46:07.873 But my interest came from physics first. 46:08.093 --> 46:13.916 So when the pandemic started, just to ensure your question about the pandemic, I was already into like 46:15.197 --> 46:18.840 So basically, I'm just like a podcaster or something like that. 46:19.981 --> 46:35.092 I try to reflect about what seems to be, I guess, incomplete or missing or how things seem to be moving to in different scientific departments. 46:35.832 --> 46:36.973 And so that's my passion. 46:37.173 --> 46:44.157 So I'm trying to understand what are the new ideas of science that could be probably useful going forward. 46:44.978 --> 46:46.839 So that was already my thing before. 46:47.199 --> 46:50.521 So I started to do that in French mostly in 2016. 46:51.161 --> 46:54.243 So I've been on the Internet doing podcasts for about eight years. 46:54.844 --> 47:01.067 And so when the pandemic started, my angle personally was coming in 47:02.188 --> 47:04.530 already with like another view of physics. 47:04.710 --> 47:11.616 So like the more, I guess, unified kind of physics out there, talking more about the unified field and stuff like that. 47:11.636 --> 47:13.418 So that was where I was at that point. 47:14.198 --> 47:22.486 And so when the pandemic started, I was already like kind of in the alternative, you know, I guess, different kinds of views out there scientifically. 47:23.226 --> 47:36.978 And so I really got fast on board with the idea about the virus, problematic with virology and the virus existence and stuff like that because I was trying to understand how the new physics could incorporate into biology. 47:38.058 --> 47:41.001 So that's where I was at that point. 47:41.201 --> 47:44.604 And when the no virus thing, which I didn't know anything about that before the pandemic, 47:45.177 --> 47:52.905 So when it came on the scene for me very early, like in mid-March, basically, the first time I heard about that happened. 47:53.265 --> 47:55.507 And so for me, it kind of clicked in a way. 47:56.828 --> 47:59.771 And so I've been living the pandemic through that lens. 48:00.032 --> 48:02.574 So I was following that whole scenario. 48:03.094 --> 48:07.299 And of course, I heard you first, I guess, at the end of 2021. 48:08.860 --> 48:10.221 probably or early 2022. 48:10.842 --> 48:22.411 So you got like kind of slowly into that background for me, just like as a point of view on the pandemic, like as an external point of view, I guess, as well from the United States. 48:24.452 --> 48:30.815 And so the more I listened to you, the more I thought your point of view was interesting and you were always a bit on the side of everything. 48:31.335 --> 48:35.557 And you refined your point of view as well over the past few years, which was very interesting for me. 48:36.337 --> 48:40.299 And so I felt like you had like kind of an interesting scientific mind. 48:41.659 --> 48:46.461 And your position, like in the last maybe six months, kind of crystallized around something. 48:47.142 --> 48:51.003 But there's still some points which I'm not sure that I'm clear about that. 48:51.143 --> 48:52.704 And I really want to clarify it because 48:54.713 --> 49:03.616 The question of the virology problematics, the science problems and the techniques that they use and what's going on there is very important for me. 49:03.656 --> 49:11.118 I think it's a central point of what I'm trying to do personally, because of course, everything is to my just personal experience. 49:11.198 --> 49:14.800 And I'm just going basically with my own hypothesis. 49:14.860 --> 49:17.000 I'm trying to contribute the best way that I can. 49:18.161 --> 49:19.961 And so that's it. 49:20.081 --> 49:22.022 So I'm basically looking for the exceptions. 49:22.762 --> 49:25.706 out there to understand better the rules. 49:26.186 --> 49:28.929 So that's kind of the way that I'm trying to approach this. 49:29.470 --> 49:43.326 And my hypothesis that I'm going to work this project on or that I'm going to base this project on is that we already have all the pieces of science out there, either inside or outside of academia. 49:44.153 --> 49:55.301 that can be put together to form a new kind of understanding of science, which is going to be more simple, more straightforward, more pragmatic, and better for humanity as a whole. 49:55.641 --> 50:00.305 So basically, I was trying to find someone that saw the same things as me out there, putting them together. 50:01.866 --> 50:06.229 I don't want to be too much of a shithead, but you can already see it on my face, right? 50:06.269 --> 50:07.850 I'm already very skeptical. 50:09.468 --> 50:15.771 Beware that if I get a little testy with him, it's already flipped in my head. 50:16.352 --> 50:21.514 I couldn't find it even before the pandemic, but especially since the last two years. 50:22.134 --> 50:27.697 And at one point I was like, all right, so I guess I'm going to try to just contribute myself and do this. 50:27.937 --> 50:31.059 And the first thing that I want to focus on was the virus thing. 50:33.220 --> 50:34.520 around that, the scientific method. 50:34.640 --> 50:38.921 So basically, these are a couple of points that I want to focus on first, and then move forward. 50:39.021 --> 50:41.002 So in a few minutes, that would be it. 50:41.482 --> 50:46.042 And I hope you're not too disappointed if you felt like there was another Gabe coming on the screen today. 50:46.843 --> 50:49.143 No, no, it's actually better to have a random Gabe. 50:49.163 --> 50:52.284 The other Gabe, I assumed, was a bad guy, and I was just going to play along. 50:52.364 --> 50:52.984 So it's fine. 50:56.404 --> 50:58.185 I wonder, as a physicist, 51:00.908 --> 51:01.668 I'm not a physicist, right? 51:01.688 --> 51:03.010 I don't know if you're talking about me, but I'm not a physicist. 51:03.030 --> 51:08.615 But you studied physics, so you have some idea of... I mean, you were saying new physics before. 51:10.818 --> 51:11.939 What do you really mean by that? 51:12.019 --> 51:14.561 Like, just not thinking about string theory or something? 51:15.542 --> 51:16.083 No, no. 51:16.123 --> 51:18.145 New physics is not the proper way to say it. 51:18.225 --> 51:19.546 Like, for example, there's not... 51:20.787 --> 51:21.947 a new physics doesn't exist. 51:22.587 --> 51:25.688 It's just like a new understanding of the same physics, right? 51:26.048 --> 51:29.789 So that's the way that I more kind of think about it. 51:29.809 --> 51:35.510 So it's just like there's a new way to understand what's already out there and with different point of views. 51:36.350 --> 51:39.750 So obviously, that's not what we're going to get into today. 51:39.850 --> 51:49.352 But what I was interested in was more like there's basically like a fundamental difference between seeing physics as 51:50.672 --> 52:12.013 the standard model of cosmology or of particles which is particles exist as matter in a vacuum right or there's the etheric or the ether kind of model which is the other one which we left that's not a good face there uh i don't know a few hundred years ago behind 52:12.611 --> 52:19.513 which is basically there's an overwhelming medium which is permeating everything outside and inside matter. 52:20.094 --> 52:21.474 And what is matter? 52:21.614 --> 52:30.437 Particles are illusions, basically, or they're just like basically statistical condensation of waves inside the ether, right? 52:30.717 --> 52:36.899 So the unified field or unified physics is kind of going back to that kind of understanding. 52:37.460 --> 52:38.360 But of course, with new 52:39.488 --> 52:43.550 new technologies, new understanding, new experiments. 52:43.570 --> 53:04.800 But from a physics perspective, it must be fairly obvious or apparent to you now, after these, I don't know how many years you've been trying to think about these ideas, but how easily very bad theories about cosmology, for example, can be sustained indefinitely with 53:05.623 --> 53:30.123 the way that we do falsification of a null hypothesis and so if you imagine how easy it is to spend so much human energy on the string theory or whatever you want however is the proper way to refer to that idea very much the same thing has happened across the board in most sciences that don't involve engineering and so if you're if you have to 53:30.677 --> 53:32.899 If you're a chemical engineer, you can't get away with that. 53:33.040 --> 53:37.965 If you're a physicist that builds things like an engineer, then you can't get away with that. 53:38.005 --> 53:45.553 But if it's theoretical, and you're a theoretical biologist, a theoretical neurobiologist, neuroscientist, you're a theoretical 53:46.815 --> 54:06.797 pharmacologist or a theoretical virologist, which is what they are, theoretical virologists, then you basically get away with perpetuating the idea of what if, and you're allowed to ask this question over and over again because you're not really setting out to ask 54:07.558 --> 54:09.279 the actual what-if question. 54:09.439 --> 54:16.222 You're actually, you're trying to disprove the null hypothesis reflection of that what-if question. 54:16.262 --> 54:31.570 And that to me, it really boils down to a fundamental disconnect between like apprentice and teacher or student and apprentice or however you want to think about it. 54:31.610 --> 54:31.790 We've 54:32.523 --> 54:42.211 We've just taught a couple generations and we've been teaching a couple generations of scientists not to ask the hard questions and then test those to find those answers. 54:42.271 --> 54:49.376 We've actually taught a lot, a whole generation of academics how not to get to the finish line. 54:49.536 --> 54:51.318 And that's been taken advantage of, I think. 54:52.819 --> 54:57.423 And in physics, maybe it's less harmful than it is if you do it in the biomedical sciences. 54:57.463 --> 54:58.583 That's really maybe the most 54:59.364 --> 55:10.453 important thing because any bad ideas in physics will never kill anybody because either they're not real or they'll never get to the stage where they'll be enacted upon because they fundamentally don't work. 55:10.534 --> 55:23.524 But in biology, mythologies about effectiveness and mythologies about a methodology being particularly useful in a particular situation can be perpetuated for decades. 55:23.705 --> 55:26.167 I mean, think about how long it took for 55:27.128 --> 55:41.953 for people to realize that many, many ulcers could be treated with simple antibiotics and how long people were happy to cut people open and cut those ulcers out with a knife. 55:41.993 --> 55:56.517 So we're really just one of these things where we've been led to believe that these are anecdotal examples rather than just a very nice core sample of how biomedical sciences have been done over the last 40 years or so. 55:58.381 --> 55:58.621 Right. 55:59.401 --> 56:05.603 So I think you're talking about very, like, basically fundamental points that are very important to me. 56:05.763 --> 56:13.545 And, you know, there's a few things that actually are very central to what I'm going to try to do with this project in what you just said. 56:13.785 --> 56:21.826 And because, of course, direct harm probably, as you said, come more from the medical sciences, biology and stuff like that. 56:22.767 --> 56:23.807 But in another 56:24.696 --> 56:33.865 kind of way that you can think about it, which is where I was coming from as well, like physics is the mechanism and it's basically how things work together, right? 56:34.325 --> 56:39.030 So it's the foundation upon which all other sciences kind of are interpreted in a way. 56:39.630 --> 56:44.535 So in that kind of point of view, if you think that if, for example, we become 56:45.835 --> 56:53.199 we understand that we have like a wrong foundation, then everything else can be even more harmful because they're based on that wrong foundation. 56:53.240 --> 56:53.360 Right. 56:53.420 --> 57:02.745 It's like if you leave a point and then you want to go like very far away and you have like a two degree difference only, like you might think that you're going to get at the same point roughly at the same time. 57:03.025 --> 57:06.787 But two degrees of difference at the foundation can lead to a huge difference. 57:06.827 --> 57:06.968 Right. 57:08.008 --> 57:13.032 I mean, I get the point that you're making, but with regard to... That's not a criticism of what you just said. 57:13.052 --> 57:14.934 It's just like a complementary notion. 57:15.594 --> 57:18.276 I think it's still where the rubber meets the road. 57:18.697 --> 57:24.361 Physics is never going to screw up biology unless biology starts to make assumptions based on the wrong physics. 57:24.401 --> 57:33.108 But as long as we keep using optics and other things that are well understood, proven things that keep matching up to the 57:33.772 --> 57:37.153 to the theory in practice, then I don't think there's any danger. 57:37.173 --> 57:52.999 And that's why I think something like string theory is so, in some ways for me, hard to believe that we have spent so much energy and time trying to develop that idea when, in practical terms, even if it was right, what would be the practical 57:54.555 --> 58:00.963 you know, outcome or what ramifications would it be in terms of changing the way we behaved or the way we look for the future. 58:01.023 --> 58:02.184 It just changed nothing. 58:02.244 --> 58:05.348 So it's really not even an idea that matters. 58:06.069 --> 58:06.569 It's almost 58:07.663 --> 58:16.648 It's comical to me where, you know, on the other hand, we're supposed to accept that antibodies are a correlative immunity, and that's something that plenty of people are willing to die on. 58:18.349 --> 58:19.409 And so, yeah. 58:19.930 --> 58:21.310 You haven't started the recording yet. 58:21.330 --> 58:22.331 Maybe you probably want to. 58:22.351 --> 58:22.851 I don't know. 58:23.331 --> 58:24.272 No, yeah, I'm going to start. 58:24.292 --> 58:28.574 Actually, I just wanted to, I was about to get to that point. 58:28.654 --> 58:32.256 But so that's awesome, actually. 58:32.276 --> 58:35.238 This is like, you know, you really have like the right state of mind. 58:36.505 --> 58:40.407 With which I'm trying to approach the conversation today, so thank you so much for that. 58:41.067 --> 58:44.569 You guys can vote in the chat if you want me to speed it up. 58:44.689 --> 58:54.574 Two-minute introduction, just starting forward, and then I'm going to bring you up and we're going to start with the pandemic and what's your views and how you came to them. 58:55.294 --> 59:06.657 And then if we have time, trying to get back into these types of discussions, right, more about the science process and how you've lived it through your career and how you see it going forward. 59:07.357 --> 59:17.980 And basically, I want to bounce back as well, a couple of notions at the end, just giving you like a preview, which would be like from my first guest, Dr. Qureshi. 59:19.340 --> 59:22.882 who was a 30-year scientist for Health Canada here. 59:23.022 --> 59:24.323 He's a Pakistani chemist. 59:25.063 --> 59:35.287 And so he's also in the no-virus category, if I can say, but he's got different issues with the no-virus group based on the scientific method and how he sees it versus them. 59:35.628 --> 59:40.330 So I want to exchange with you what I learned from him and see what you think about that. 59:41.170 --> 59:52.720 And also maybe if we can touch back on the membranes, because in one of your lives a week ago, you talked about Tom Cowan and the membranes and your work about that. 59:52.820 --> 59:55.723 So that would be something interesting if we can get back to that. 59:56.183 --> 59:57.704 But we'll see if we have time. 59:58.425 --> 01:00:05.991 So another thing I just want to tell you, are you comfortable with StreamYard? 01:00:06.772 --> 01:00:07.653 Have you used that before? 01:00:08.780 --> 01:00:10.141 I mean, I've been in it before. 01:00:10.221 --> 01:00:11.201 I just, yeah. 01:00:12.562 --> 01:00:13.482 Okay. 01:00:13.903 --> 01:00:17.704 Just as a little warning, if I put you on the screen, it's going to look like this, right? 01:00:18.025 --> 01:00:18.845 So you're not going to see me. 01:00:19.585 --> 01:00:20.366 That's fine. 01:00:20.866 --> 01:00:21.086 Yeah. 01:00:21.126 --> 01:00:22.587 So, so it's not because I'm leaving. 01:00:22.607 --> 01:00:27.829 So I'm just going to put you like that for the, for the, the, the, the people out there. 01:00:28.029 --> 01:00:31.151 So, uh, and then I'm going to move like around like that. 01:00:32.842 --> 01:00:35.504 And there's a possibility. 01:00:35.644 --> 01:00:51.573 So what happened to me a couple of times since I've been using StreamYard is if the software doesn't have time to fully convert your audio, it might ask me to send you a link that you have to click back again and finish the conversion on your computer, like in the next day or something like that. 01:00:51.953 --> 01:00:54.274 So it's one possibility that I might have to ask you after. 01:00:54.615 --> 01:00:57.136 It depends on how StreamYard manages the feeds. 01:00:57.796 --> 01:01:00.298 Yeah, you can avoid that by not, I won't close my window. 01:01:01.505 --> 01:01:05.628 If we just stay open and you wait, it sometimes takes 10 minutes after the show. 01:01:05.688 --> 01:01:06.309 Okay, excellent. 01:01:07.009 --> 01:01:10.852 Because sometimes people have to leave very fast after or whatever. 01:01:10.872 --> 01:01:11.312 All right. 01:01:11.452 --> 01:01:11.712 Excellent. 01:01:12.813 --> 01:01:14.314 So, yeah. 01:01:14.374 --> 01:01:16.576 Any other questions or anything else for you? 01:01:17.036 --> 01:01:17.637 No, it's good. 01:01:17.757 --> 01:01:18.097 Just hit it. 01:01:18.117 --> 01:01:18.517 All right. 01:01:18.858 --> 01:01:19.198 Awesome. 01:01:19.218 --> 01:01:19.938 Well, thank you again. 01:01:20.379 --> 01:01:22.841 I'm very excited and let's see how it goes. 01:01:23.901 --> 01:01:28.265 And once again, I'm having fun with my 01:01:29.477 --> 01:01:35.033 my project, you know, it's the first time I'm going to do like a 100% English project and I just wanted to, you know, 01:01:35.845 --> 01:01:41.670 make it sound big, but I just want you to know that I'm just a guy, I'm just very humble, but I'm trying to have fun. 01:01:41.730 --> 01:01:52.518 I'm calling this the International Quantum Coordination Project because I just feel like we should have something that unifies science around the world in some kind of way, but it's just for fun. 01:01:52.558 --> 01:01:57.202 So I just don't want you to think that I'm presumptuous or pretentious or anything like that. 01:01:57.762 --> 01:02:00.664 And so that's just a little branding for fun. 01:02:00.684 --> 01:02:00.805 Okay. 01:02:02.526 --> 01:02:03.346 All right. 01:02:03.566 --> 01:02:04.467 Let me just record. 01:02:04.527 --> 01:02:08.608 I moved that over there so that I would be more centered on his screen. 01:02:09.729 --> 01:02:12.890 So now my secret is blown here. 01:02:12.910 --> 01:02:13.850 All right. 01:02:18.692 --> 01:02:20.653 And your image and sound is great. 01:02:20.813 --> 01:02:24.454 And was there any problem with my audio just before we started to make sure? 01:02:25.535 --> 01:02:26.675 No, I hear you fine. 01:02:26.695 --> 01:02:27.475 I hear you fine. 01:02:28.156 --> 01:02:28.436 Excellent. 01:02:28.716 --> 01:02:28.936 All right. 01:02:47.403 --> 01:02:48.544 All right, so here we go, JJ. 01:02:48.664 --> 01:02:49.345 Have a great show. 01:02:49.385 --> 01:02:51.286 Thank you again, and let's have some fun. 01:02:51.306 --> 01:02:54.349 I'm going to do my quick introduction and then move back in. 01:02:54.809 --> 01:02:55.109 Okay. 01:02:58.993 --> 01:02:59.573 Hello, everyone. 01:02:59.973 --> 01:03:07.520 This is the second installment or second opening show for... Here comes his second show opening, right? 01:03:07.600 --> 01:03:11.903 He doesn't know what he's going to do with this project yet, but he's already got his opener ready to go. 01:03:11.983 --> 01:03:13.364 I guess he knows how he's going to do it. 01:03:14.045 --> 01:03:15.526 I'm just going to back it up for a second. 01:03:16.127 --> 01:03:16.367 Okay. 01:03:20.302 --> 01:03:28.284 Hello everyone, this is the second installment or second opening show for the International Quantum Coordination Project. 01:03:29.031 --> 01:03:42.375 Today we will be joined by the self-described, quote-unquote, recovering academic neuroscientist who's been on the science staff for the Robert F. Kennedy's nonprofit for fighting children's chronic illnesses. 01:03:42.916 --> 01:03:44.696 It's called Children's Health Defense. 01:03:45.216 --> 01:03:50.858 His name is JJ Cooey, and you can find him at gigahomebiological.com. 01:03:50.958 --> 01:03:55.480 It's G-I-G-A-O-H-M, biological in one word, dot com. 01:03:56.320 --> 01:04:08.900 My name is Gabe Masson, I'm the self-appointed Chief Quantum Coordinator, the CQC of the International Quantum Coordination Project, and I'm just having fun here running with a basic hypothesis. 01:04:10.002 --> 01:04:11.323 What is the hypothesis? 01:04:11.443 --> 01:04:12.043 It's the following. 01:04:12.383 --> 01:04:34.714 I think we probably have by now in 2024 all the pieces of science that are out there scattered inside and outside of academia that we can put together to probably get a new understanding or basically try to lead to a new paradigm of science going forward that could probably benefit humanity generally. 01:04:35.735 --> 01:04:38.256 That's the hypothesis and why I'm 01:04:40.069 --> 01:04:48.171 So he's going to save the world, I guess, with leading the way to a new science as a guy who's done a little physics or something, I guess. 01:04:48.251 --> 01:04:48.671 I don't know. 01:04:48.691 --> 01:04:50.092 Am I calling this a hypothesis? 01:04:50.192 --> 01:04:58.494 It's because I'm going to try to falsify that hypothesis to the show with different guests and my own self-analysis of what I've learned to the show. 01:05:01.255 --> 01:05:06.659 Which is actually more than Doc Malek does, because Doc Malek doesn't have any understanding. 01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:07.900 He has no fracking idea. 01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:16.907 At least Gabe is purporting to bring his own understanding to the show as he interviews people and learns from them. 01:05:16.968 --> 01:05:21.191 So it already sounds a little better than Doc Malek's podcast, at least. 01:05:21.491 --> 01:05:24.572 Basically, I think that's what is respecting the scientific method. 01:05:24.672 --> 01:05:28.513 So if we want to talk about science, we try to follow the scientific method. 01:05:28.753 --> 01:05:31.354 And the goal is to falsify one's hypothesis. 01:05:31.894 --> 01:05:39.997 If I can't falsify it, then at one point, I guess we'll come to a conclusion that things seems to be working better than before with a new understanding. 01:05:41.477 --> 01:05:44.578 The first topics that I want to focus on is the science. 01:05:44.938 --> 01:05:52.901 We could talk about that being the wrong way to explain how science isn't done, but we won't do that in this video. 01:05:52.941 --> 01:05:54.942 But suffice it to say, that wasn't quite right. 01:05:54.982 --> 01:06:04.766 And he was saying falsification, which is basically the pauper method of science, which Jaynes and others, of course, go against. 01:06:04.906 --> 01:06:12.830 scientific method and applied to what happened to us all around the world in the last four years, which is basically the pandemic. 01:06:12.910 --> 01:06:21.674 So as a brief, brief summary, you know, during the pandemic, there were different gangs of scientists, I'm going to call crews or unofficial groups out there. 01:06:22.134 --> 01:06:28.896 There's the basically mainstream idea of the natural zoonotic infection started in China spread around the world. 01:06:29.297 --> 01:06:42.201 Then we have the lab leak hypothesis which was there early and came back over the years to become now kind of the mainstream kind of alternative almost mainstream theory or idea about 01:06:42.601 --> 01:06:50.268 of what happened basically during the... Anybody else think that this is kind of exactly what I would say or was saying? 01:06:50.308 --> 01:06:51.429 He's kind of absorbing it. 01:06:51.449 --> 01:07:02.378 This is only his second show and he hasn't even really started the project but he's summarizing the pandemic as groups of scientists that have, you know, different gangs. 01:07:06.192 --> 01:07:07.173 the start of the pandemic. 01:07:08.433 --> 01:07:15.178 Then besides that, there was another group, which was saying that, no, actually, there was no virus at all. 01:07:15.298 --> 01:07:20.521 So they're called the unofficial no virus group, I guess, that you could refer to them as. 01:07:21.242 --> 01:07:30.368 And these guys were saying, we went back into the scientific literature and the claims that virologists are making that we find particles that are self 01:07:31.148 --> 01:07:38.411 replicating infectious, contagious particles are there called viruses, do not seem to be existing at all. 01:07:38.951 --> 01:07:47.054 So there was no cause for any consequences or any measures for the lockdowns, the masks, everything during the pandemic. 01:07:47.854 --> 01:07:49.655 So these are the exceptions right now. 01:07:50.055 --> 01:07:57.918 So the problem that I have with that already, how he started is that he portrays the no virus people as questioning all of virology. 01:07:58.780 --> 01:08:02.221 And therefore, there was no pandemic. 01:08:02.301 --> 01:08:06.221 And I think that is the dangerous position to take. 01:08:06.561 --> 01:08:11.542 And what position that Mark Bailey took specifically was that there's no SARS. 01:08:12.502 --> 01:08:13.643 There's no SARS-CoV-2. 01:08:13.703 --> 01:08:19.744 There's no spreading risk additive pathogen that you can track with these technologies. 01:08:19.784 --> 01:08:20.824 That's not possible. 01:08:21.824 --> 01:08:24.164 And then went backwards. 01:08:24.424 --> 01:08:26.905 And so I still have this 01:08:28.101 --> 01:08:46.137 idea that we are being led incorrectly by them and have been led incorrectly by them because they didn't go far enough to say that they would murder people and lie about it in order to cover up this lack of fidelity, this gross exaggeration over what virology is and what it isn't. 01:08:46.818 --> 01:08:58.742 And they've never been able to succinctly get to the point where they could say something like I've said, which is that there is no RNA molecule that can make your cells do something they don't already do. 01:08:59.523 --> 01:09:13.908 And so if they are making your cells package bits of RNA and spit them out in a viral-like particle or an exosome or in a virus, whatever you want to call it, then that's something that cells do already. 01:09:15.080 --> 01:09:25.810 And we are just taking advantage of that already in unnatural cell culture through transfection and transformation. 01:09:27.712 --> 01:09:28.833 For the past four years. 01:09:31.727 --> 01:09:34.688 Around that group, there are other exceptions. 01:09:34.748 --> 01:09:38.909 So there are exceptions to the exceptions, and our guest today is one of them. 01:09:39.209 --> 01:09:45.171 His name is Jay Cooey, and he believes something a bit different than the no-virus group. 01:09:45.432 --> 01:09:47.272 So let me bring him right up. 01:09:47.852 --> 01:09:49.573 Mr. Cooey, thanks for being here. 01:09:49.593 --> 01:09:50.673 How are you today? 01:09:50.853 --> 01:09:51.534 Hello, Gabe. 01:09:51.774 --> 01:09:52.314 Good to see you. 01:09:53.014 --> 01:09:55.375 Good to meet you today, I guess, is the right way to say it. 01:09:56.215 --> 01:09:56.716 Absolutely. 01:09:56.816 --> 01:09:57.596 First time meeting me. 01:09:57.676 --> 01:10:01.620 So let me just reiterate in front of everyone what I said just before. 01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:04.363 I just want to tell you that I'm very grateful for your time today. 01:10:05.364 --> 01:10:08.227 I really have a great respect for what you did over the past four years. 01:10:08.547 --> 01:10:12.951 You came into my point of view or field of view, I guess, at the end of 2021, I think, or early 2022. 01:10:14.993 --> 01:10:18.735 and you were kind of re-questioning the no-virus group, right? 01:10:18.835 --> 01:10:37.006 So you were bringing your own hypothesis, I guess, or conclusions from your own research into that, and you were saying that they were wrong, but that everything else was also wrong, and that you had kind of something that was kind of in the middle of this, involving, like, transfection, overtime transfection, and infectious clones, and all of that. 01:10:37.867 --> 01:10:40.608 So I just want to tell you before we go further, JJ, 01:10:43.730 --> 01:10:50.192 I don't want to think that I'm pretending that I have a great understanding of biology or virology or all of that. 01:10:50.452 --> 01:10:52.232 My perspective is really like meta. 01:10:52.792 --> 01:11:01.915 So I'm trying to understand as simply as I can different fields of science just because I'm trying to basically play a scientific Tetris game and put things together. 01:11:02.275 --> 01:11:07.257 So you can lose me very fast if we get into some details because you're an expert and I'm not. 01:11:07.857 --> 01:11:09.837 So I don't want people to think that at home as well. 01:11:12.071 --> 01:11:17.635 You know, compared to a lot of people, I've been spending some time, you know, trying, I've been debuting a lot of times in that. 01:11:17.655 --> 01:11:20.857 So I might have a fairly good enough understanding. 01:11:21.337 --> 01:11:24.839 But if you go too fast, I might ask you a lot of questions or repeat stuff. 01:11:24.959 --> 01:11:26.961 And just because I want to make sure I understand. 01:11:27.741 --> 01:11:28.682 what you're telling me. 01:11:28.982 --> 01:11:39.388 So try to dumb it down a little bit for me and for us, but let's still try to keep a high level enough that we can go into some weeds a little bit together if you don't mind. 01:11:39.408 --> 01:11:41.750 So with all of that said, welcome again. 01:11:41.890 --> 01:11:42.630 Thank you so much. 01:11:42.931 --> 01:11:43.791 It really means a lot. 01:11:44.251 --> 01:11:54.158 And the other flower that I want to throw in your way before we get further is I really feel like you have a great scientific mind because I've also seen you 01:11:54.958 --> 01:11:57.460 Although you're putting out there a lot of material, right? 01:11:57.540 --> 01:11:58.701 So it's impossible. 01:11:58.861 --> 01:12:02.763 Well, not impossible, but it was impossible for me in my situation to follow everything. 01:12:02.844 --> 01:12:07.066 But when I did, I saw your positions change and evolve. 01:12:07.567 --> 01:12:16.353 And even in the last few weeks, I was listening to a couple of your streams and I saw you address arguments from the NoVirus group from a few years ago, and you were 01:12:17.250 --> 01:12:19.052 remaining pretty humble, right? 01:12:19.092 --> 01:12:26.938 We're trying to remain honest and trying to give them everything that you could give them as the arguments, but still defending your points. 01:12:27.358 --> 01:12:32.863 And so for me, it kind of shows like a great scientific mind. 01:12:32.883 --> 01:12:33.904 So I just wanted to tell you that. 01:12:34.024 --> 01:12:34.624 Thank you for that. 01:12:35.485 --> 01:12:37.727 Your attitude is really needed, I think, out there. 01:12:38.368 --> 01:12:44.952 But there's also sometimes that I've heard you maybe mischaracterize some of their earlier positions, but I'm not sure. 01:12:45.052 --> 01:12:49.154 So maybe I'm going to ask you a few questions in that kind of energy as well. 01:12:49.594 --> 01:12:51.315 So welcome again. 01:12:51.896 --> 01:12:56.959 And anything you want to tell us maybe in the shortest version possible about your bio? 01:12:57.399 --> 01:12:59.940 You said you're a recovering academic neuroscientist. 01:13:00.060 --> 01:13:00.861 What does that mean? 01:13:01.361 --> 01:13:04.143 And how did you get involved in children's health defense? 01:13:04.343 --> 01:13:06.364 And let's start there. 01:13:08.530 --> 01:13:09.831 I was a neurobiologist. 01:13:09.871 --> 01:13:12.993 I guess I probably should change that if it says neuroscientist. 01:13:13.813 --> 01:13:23.239 I really, I feel as though it's an important distinction because my specialty from since I was a young man has always been biology. 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:24.400 I knew I was going to do something. 01:13:24.440 --> 01:13:28.723 I thought I'd be a vet or, you know, everybody goes through the marine biologist idea. 01:13:29.683 --> 01:13:31.024 I went through all of these ideas. 01:13:33.108 --> 01:13:45.754 And so I really think of myself as a biologist and neuroscience is actually a field where all kinds of different academic backgrounds have come together to try and study the brain together. 01:13:45.794 --> 01:13:50.196 And so that's why they started calling it neuroscience a few a decade ago or so. 01:13:51.333 --> 01:14:00.696 And that's allowed, you know, mathematicians to come into neuroscience and make mathematical models of hypothetical neurons or even networks of neurons. 01:14:00.736 --> 01:14:02.397 And most of those people were physicists. 01:14:02.457 --> 01:14:11.220 And it's allowed chemists to come in and design, you know, designer chemicals that can activate neurons and get into pharmacology from a chemical perspective. 01:14:12.323 --> 01:14:40.808 So I really consider myself one of the people that went in to study the brain as a biologist and so I was into microscopes and I'm into cells and and With regard to the pandemic then I kind of came into it rather naively I was working at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine and I was trying to find a way to use my nine and a half mile daily bike commute on a electric powered bike and 01:14:41.409 --> 01:14:53.801 I was still commuting about 25 minutes, but on this electric bike I can go up these huge hills and it was really, you know, I was getting a workout, but I wasn't destroyed by the time I got to work and I could also ride home. 01:14:54.402 --> 01:15:03.571 And it became this thing where I suddenly realized I had all this footage on my cameras that I was recording because I was in traffic. 01:15:04.604 --> 01:15:06.586 And I could hear myself talk to the cars. 01:15:06.746 --> 01:15:10.048 And I suddenly realized that, wow, maybe I could record a YouTube video. 01:15:10.689 --> 01:15:12.730 And I started doing this journal club on a bike. 01:15:13.050 --> 01:15:15.552 And a lot of my colleagues liked it a lot. 01:15:15.572 --> 01:15:19.675 I was just reading people's papers and talking about them on my bicycle. 01:15:19.735 --> 01:15:26.079 And I prepared a little cheat sheet and tried to look at it all day long so I knew what my points were going to be. 01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:30.482 And then I just rode home and talked into the camera, started loading those up on YouTube. 01:15:30.723 --> 01:15:32.063 And at the start of the pandemic, 01:15:32.964 --> 01:15:37.028 It never dawned on me not to just make a bike ride and talk about coronaviruses. 01:15:37.588 --> 01:15:39.430 And then I started to get curious. 01:15:39.450 --> 01:15:43.013 So I started reading coronavirus literature and talking about what I was reading. 01:15:43.934 --> 01:15:52.782 And at some point, the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine apparently got contacted because I had been quoted in The Washington Times. 01:15:54.195 --> 01:15:58.217 has saying that a laboratory leak is certainly not out of the realm of possibility. 01:15:59.038 --> 01:16:05.742 And somebody from the Pittsburgh Gazette wanted to talk to me and they said I couldn't do it because it wasn't my expertise and that they'd seen my YouTube channel. 01:16:07.103 --> 01:16:12.126 And it was kind of curious about a month later, they asked me not to come in anymore, just kind of all at once. 01:16:12.186 --> 01:16:14.987 I got an email saying you need to mail in your badge and keys. 01:16:15.788 --> 01:16:17.689 And they paid out the rest of my contract. 01:16:17.729 --> 01:16:19.710 So they technically didn't fire me. 01:16:19.750 --> 01:16:21.011 They just let my contract 01:16:21.671 --> 01:16:27.294 move out, I didn't finish any of my work, and some of my papers were published without my name on them. 01:16:27.834 --> 01:16:29.055 And that's basically ending career. 01:16:29.115 --> 01:16:32.617 And can I ask just what was your position, just specifically, when that happened? 01:16:32.797 --> 01:16:34.017 Research assistant professor. 01:16:34.918 --> 01:16:36.879 Assistant professor, all right, thank you. 01:16:36.899 --> 01:16:39.700 But you have to say research, because that's a non-tenure track. 01:16:44.278 --> 01:16:46.220 It is, you're funded by somebody else. 01:16:46.240 --> 01:16:49.904 So, you know, people don't think that I'm trying to misrepresent where I rank was. 01:16:51.426 --> 01:16:59.155 But as a technician, if you will, as somebody with methodological expertise, that's what a research technician is. 01:16:59.175 --> 01:17:01.959 It's somebody who can actually do the work and teach other people to do it. 01:17:02.532 --> 01:17:18.312 So the research technician position or research assistant professor position is a very much like in a way it's a very respectable position if you can attain one because it means that you have enough combination of skills and knowledge that you're indispensable or at least not worth 01:17:19.193 --> 01:17:20.915 not worth letting you leave academia. 01:17:20.955 --> 01:17:33.567 So anyway, in that position, I felt like it was okay for me to talk out loud with my fellow faculty members about how I thought the New York Times had a ridiculous article here or made a ridiculous statement there. 01:17:34.107 --> 01:17:42.095 And I also thought it was okay for me to download papers from PubMed and read into coronavirus literature so that I could understand it better. 01:17:42.575 --> 01:17:51.159 And yet somehow or another, there was this tremendous sort of incredulity that I met with other people where they're like, why are you reading those papers? 01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:55.040 I'm like, because they're telling us that a new coronavirus is spreading around. 01:17:55.080 --> 01:17:55.861 Don't you want to know? 01:17:57.441 --> 01:17:59.582 So this went on for like this month. 01:17:59.642 --> 01:18:02.143 And then at some point, I got this email saying I couldn't come in. 01:18:03.524 --> 01:18:05.605 kind of had to make a decision about what to do. 01:18:05.705 --> 01:18:11.728 And it wasn't really obvious to me right away that what I should do is teach biology online. 01:18:12.469 --> 01:18:16.611 Actually, my brother had an opportunity to start a business in Texas. 01:18:16.671 --> 01:18:22.534 And so the first couple months of my, let's say, time off, I said, you know, I can help you with that. 01:18:22.694 --> 01:18:26.356 I want to come down a couple weeks a month and help you with your new business. 01:18:26.376 --> 01:18:27.717 And so I did that for a while. 01:18:28.977 --> 01:18:31.399 And then over the course of that time, 01:18:32.120 --> 01:18:35.301 the adherence to coronavirus. 01:18:37.219 --> 01:18:52.906 let's say warnings and mythology, the story on television was starting to get in between me and my brother, because I was going from Pittsburgh to Texas on a plane, and we were kind of supposed to keep it secret from the clients that we were working with, because he didn't want them to know that I was traveling. 01:18:53.366 --> 01:18:57.888 And he wanted me to wear this super mask, and I didn't really want to wear a super mask. 01:18:58.348 --> 01:19:02.910 And then he found out that I wasn't wearing a mask on the plane all the time, and he got really pissed. 01:19:03.470 --> 01:19:04.871 And we got in a little fight about that. 01:19:04.931 --> 01:19:09.554 Long story short, that ended kind of badly because we don't talk anymore. 01:19:10.615 --> 01:19:11.816 That's your brother, right? 01:19:11.956 --> 01:19:13.757 That's my brother, yeah. 01:19:13.797 --> 01:19:17.100 You got involved as well into the personal, familial struggles. 01:19:17.120 --> 01:19:28.968 Yeah, just because, again, at that time, he actually also, just to share a little personal detail, because he's my younger brother and it's personal and it's family, 01:19:30.755 --> 01:19:36.620 he brought it up very quickly that, you know, if you knew what you were talking about, maybe University of Pittsburgh wouldn't have told you to not come in anymore. 01:19:36.660 --> 01:19:40.143 And that also kind of gets, you know, whatever, it's personal, but it's just brothers. 01:19:40.764 --> 01:19:47.409 Anyway, that's still going on though, of course, because my working for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:19:47.449 --> 01:19:53.795 a year later to help him write that book for a year did not convince my brother or my parents that that made me 01:19:54.675 --> 01:19:56.296 more legitimate as a thinker. 01:19:57.276 --> 01:20:18.844 But after the year of working for Robert F. Kennedy Jr., then for six months in 2023, after the book was released, I was picked up by Children's Health Defense, and I was a staff scientist for six months, and I helped with some projects there, and I met a lot of really, really great people that work really, really hard to try and get this message out. 01:20:20.065 --> 01:20:21.926 But I also was 01:20:24.298 --> 01:20:39.708 was consistent enough with my podcast and trying to maintain a unblemished record of integrity, I was still willing to call certain players out while I was working for CHD on my own podcast. 01:20:39.789 --> 01:20:49.155 And I think it was characterized as that work was interfering with their ability to interact positively with their partners. 01:20:49.835 --> 01:20:50.156 And so, 01:20:51.052 --> 01:20:52.193 they ended my position. 01:20:52.373 --> 01:20:57.335 And then ever since, so from the beginning of 2024 now, I've been working independently. 01:20:58.015 --> 01:21:12.962 Just to be clear to all your viewers, the reason why I don't really have a problem saying what I can say about CHD is because most of the time when people leave Children's Health Defense, they're given some kind of NDA and a little package, and so they don't talk. 01:21:13.523 --> 01:21:16.704 But the package that they offered me was $8,000, and I didn't think that 01:21:19.181 --> 01:21:25.486 The amount of sacrifice that I had made and the amount of credibility I thought I earned by working for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:21:25.546 --> 01:21:26.167 was worth that. 01:21:26.227 --> 01:21:29.229 So I just said no and quietly walked. 01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:38.123 You know, I have to emphasize, I think CHD is an absolutely wonderful organization with a lot of wonderful people working there. 01:21:38.263 --> 01:21:41.024 And it only takes a few people to sabotage such a place. 01:21:41.204 --> 01:21:54.669 And so, I just, I feel very bad about it because I do think I could have really helped CHD to take their message and their whole thing up another level. 01:21:54.929 --> 01:21:57.670 And I just don't think it's the right time or their, 01:21:58.742 --> 01:22:01.243 or something, but I just, I don't understand. 01:22:01.623 --> 01:22:14.029 All I know is that I feel the best since I am independent and can say what I feel needs to be said and teach the biology that I'm learning as I go and refining as I go. 01:22:14.089 --> 01:22:17.291 And I feel like at this stage now I've become a problem if only because 01:22:19.369 --> 01:22:23.933 it's no longer that easy to meddle with me anymore. 01:22:24.013 --> 01:22:33.660 These mysteries and rabbit holes were easy to lay down in 20 and 21 when everybody was running around with their heads cut off. 01:22:34.201 --> 01:22:44.989 But now when we can pause and you can look backwards and see how everything lines up, it's a little easier to walk forward carefully and not feel rushed. 01:22:46.130 --> 01:22:54.939 That's really where I feel the last couple months have really led to a lot of gains is that we are choosing the topics that I discuss. 01:22:54.999 --> 01:23:02.266 I'm choosing the topics that I want to read and not, you know, asking the questions that all these other people want me to ask. 01:23:04.034 --> 01:23:04.495 Absolutely. 01:23:04.995 --> 01:23:05.515 That's awesome. 01:23:05.555 --> 01:23:08.437 Well, thank you so much for that enlightening summary, actually. 01:23:08.617 --> 01:23:15.700 There's a couple of points that really helped me to figure out more how you lived through that four years. 01:23:16.400 --> 01:23:21.763 And that's interesting because you said that you kind of feel bad about that. 01:23:22.043 --> 01:23:29.167 And just to give you a bit of where I'm coming from, I'm in the province of Quebec, which is like Eastern Canada, right? 01:23:30.087 --> 01:23:31.908 Maine, Vermont, and New York, right? 01:23:32.449 --> 01:23:33.369 And so we're French. 01:23:33.450 --> 01:23:34.710 We're French-Canadian, of course. 01:23:34.871 --> 01:23:36.832 And that's why I speak like that. 01:23:37.072 --> 01:23:38.673 English is my second language. 01:23:39.274 --> 01:23:52.063 And the topic about virology and the existence of viruses and everything, it's really been difficult for me as well because I'm kind of the only person who spoke about that early here. 01:23:52.603 --> 01:23:58.307 And it's been difficult because the people here and our local organizations are doing amazing work. 01:23:58.687 --> 01:24:01.749 They've been doing amazing work all throughout the pandemic. 01:24:02.770 --> 01:24:16.698 But once I, me personally, as a podcaster and just like an unofficial member of that kind of ecosystem out there, when I started to talk about that, I was seeing the tension that it was provoking and there was kind of subdivisions among different groups. 01:24:16.878 --> 01:24:18.339 And it's really difficult, actually. 01:24:18.739 --> 01:24:23.662 And so it takes like a kind of a different mind to go through that and accept that. 01:24:24.202 --> 01:24:26.624 and still trying to pursue the truth. 01:24:26.744 --> 01:24:27.885 So I commend you for that. 01:24:28.326 --> 01:24:38.795 And I think all around the world, these kind of topics have had the tendency to create subdivisions among the resistance movements or that kind of unofficial groups. 01:24:39.435 --> 01:24:47.202 And so the reason that I'm interested to talk to you, as I was telling you before we started recording, is because, you know, 01:24:48.300 --> 01:25:00.047 I believe, this is my working hypothesis, that science should be modeled or it should mimic the natural flow of energy of the universe. 01:25:00.087 --> 01:25:01.308 That's one of the things that I have. 01:25:01.668 --> 01:25:08.352 I believe that the foundations we've had in the past, like let's say the Enlightenment, were probably a bit misplaced. 01:25:08.792 --> 01:25:12.655 And so they were not reflecting properly how the universe works. 01:25:13.055 --> 01:25:15.897 And that's why over time we're getting into some places where 01:25:16.397 --> 01:25:19.378 Although technology has been great, there's problems in science. 01:25:20.698 --> 01:25:31.001 So in order to find these rules and to understand the natural rules and to make sure that we have a scientific understanding of the world that reflects those rules, which again is just my personal hypothesis. 01:25:32.261 --> 01:25:35.782 Well, there's a saying that says the exception confirms the rule, right? 01:25:35.822 --> 01:25:37.423 So I'm trying to 01:25:38.863 --> 01:25:48.588 have an interest or to seek the exceptions in order to understand what kind of rules apply there and where we have them right or wrong and can we ameliorate them or not. 01:25:49.228 --> 01:25:52.450 So the exception to the pandemic was the no virus group. 01:25:52.770 --> 01:25:56.352 And then you were kind of the exception of the no virus group. 01:25:56.632 --> 01:25:58.033 So we have like a different position. 01:25:58.553 --> 01:26:01.495 So you said that you've been working with 01:26:02.495 --> 01:26:07.798 you helped with the redaction of the book from Robert F. Kennedy from 2022 to 2023. 01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:12.860 And then after that, or throughout that, you worked directly for CHD. 01:26:13.781 --> 01:26:27.328 So can you tell me when you started to have like a kind of a different view, when you kind of got closer, but not totally into the no virus group, and what is your position today? 01:26:28.121 --> 01:26:31.883 And how does it differ from the full on board no virus position? 01:26:32.323 --> 01:26:34.464 And let's get a summary of that. 01:26:34.985 --> 01:26:37.906 And then we're going to go a bit deeper into the details. 01:26:38.406 --> 01:26:46.150 So just to speak to your first thing, I would let you give you an alternative word to use rather than looking for the rules. 01:26:46.190 --> 01:26:47.851 You should look for the patterns in nature. 01:26:48.371 --> 01:26:50.432 That's something that that 01:26:54.540 --> 01:26:59.063 Buckminster Fuller is the one who inspires me to say that. 01:26:59.083 --> 01:27:06.107 So I'm not saying rules are wrong, but maybe you need to look for patterns first that then start to outline rules or outline models. 01:27:09.187 --> 01:27:11.968 are how they are because of the rules that they obey, right? 01:27:11.988 --> 01:27:14.670 So the patterns actually emerge out of the rules. 01:27:14.990 --> 01:27:21.593 Of course, rules is like a loose term here, but you know, the laws... But the rules are invisible and the patterns are not. 01:27:21.613 --> 01:27:24.574 And that's why I think that Buckminster was so into that. 01:27:25.434 --> 01:27:37.640 So with regard to the virus and no virus thing, the thing that was the impetus for this was 01:27:39.361 --> 01:27:44.262 Really, the very specific question that Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. 01:27:44.442 --> 01:28:00.287 posed to me sometime when I was still consulting on the book, and I think it was in the middle of 2022, in the summer, he asked me to define for him what infectious clones were, because he really saw these words all the time and he wanted to know what they were. 01:28:01.209 --> 01:28:02.090 He saw that from you. 01:28:03.251 --> 01:28:05.493 He saw it in the literature, actually, himself. 01:28:05.633 --> 01:28:09.656 He saw it in these virology papers, and he heard me mentioning it a couple times. 01:28:10.157 --> 01:28:18.684 And he really wanted me to explain, OK, when you say this, and that Ralph Baric came up with a methodology to make infectious clones, what do you mean by that? 01:28:18.724 --> 01:28:19.705 What do they mean by that? 01:28:19.765 --> 01:28:26.211 Well, that's a question that you can't, well, at that time, I couldn't just call him up and, 01:28:28.112 --> 01:28:30.478 and say, give him an elevator pitch. 01:28:30.558 --> 01:28:36.071 I had actually was working on that myself to try and understand this, but there was never... 01:28:40.089 --> 01:28:42.451 No one had ever given credence to that idea. 01:28:42.471 --> 01:28:43.972 I was the only one who thought of it. 01:28:44.312 --> 01:28:45.613 I was just doing it in the background. 01:28:45.653 --> 01:28:49.316 I don't even know if I'd mentioned it on my stream ad as something that I thought was important. 01:28:49.376 --> 01:28:55.321 I could have, but it was at this, this week or so where he said, Oh, you're interested. 01:28:56.122 --> 01:29:02.487 My first reaction was, Oh my gosh, I'm so happy that you're interested in that because I've been meaning to, to knock this down. 01:29:02.507 --> 01:29:03.447 I'm going to do it right now. 01:29:03.988 --> 01:29:08.271 So I just started downloading papers, scanning them quickly. 01:29:09.792 --> 01:29:12.914 in the methodology, because really, virology is methodology. 01:29:12.955 --> 01:29:19.979 So if you're going to read virology papers, the most important thing is to read the methodology from a grand perspective. 01:29:19.999 --> 01:29:23.662 You're basically looking for patterns in the way they make the cake. 01:29:24.830 --> 01:29:31.540 And if you look at all different cultures around the world and look at how they make cakes, there will be different patterns. 01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:32.582 They won't all use eggs. 01:29:32.602 --> 01:29:34.365 They won't all use the same flour, whatever. 01:29:34.865 --> 01:29:36.728 But there are patterns that you can make out. 01:29:36.768 --> 01:29:39.593 And with virology, the patterns are in the methodologies. 01:29:40.160 --> 01:29:44.362 and the pattern of this term infectious clone. 01:29:44.762 --> 01:29:47.083 If we back up one layer. 01:29:47.103 --> 01:29:47.483 Right. 01:29:47.583 --> 01:30:01.809 And just, I don't mean to interject too long, but just so that you know, you know, from an outside perspective, you know, this is something that I've never heard about from the researchers of the NoVirus group until you brought it up, like, I guess, like, and I saw you talk about it, like in 2022 or something like that. 01:30:02.189 --> 01:30:05.631 So this is something that you brought in my field of view from your perspective. 01:30:05.811 --> 01:30:10.276 I mean, not to toot my own horn, but I do believe that I brought it into everybody's perspective. 01:30:10.316 --> 01:30:19.946 And it's frustrating to me, the people who have tried to absorb the term in a very disingenuous way, because it's not my term, it's virology's term. 01:30:20.487 --> 01:30:26.253 And one of the things I wanted to back up and say, just to address the bigger picture that you wanted to address with the stream, 01:30:27.571 --> 01:30:37.780 With regard to changing the way science is done, one of the ways that science has been neutered is that the way that we use language in science has been neutered. 01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:47.649 And so in virology, it is particularly apparent that a lot of the words that have traditional meanings outside of virology have an alternative meaning inside of virology. 01:30:48.149 --> 01:30:59.821 And so when you hear terms from virology that include isolation, purification, culturing, these terms have meaning outside of virology that inside of virology is different. 01:30:59.861 --> 01:31:05.967 And that already is an objection that these no virus people had from the very, very, very beginning. 01:31:06.007 --> 01:31:10.572 It's a totally, totally legit observation that actually 01:31:11.633 --> 01:31:24.505 And they give credit, if they do it right, they give credit to the fact that there are many biologists that were contemporary to the HIV epidemic that are also well aware that some of these incongruencies exist. 01:31:26.247 --> 01:31:31.673 So the interesting part about it is, is that after two and a half years of them 01:31:34.355 --> 01:31:44.345 behaving in a very curious way, in the sense of most of them would not talk to anybody who wouldn't first agree to, you know, I, yes, I don't think there are any virus. 01:31:44.405 --> 01:31:52.874 Yes, I, you know, you had to agree to this stuff before they would even have a conversation about you talking on their podcast or vice versa, even. 01:31:53.695 --> 01:31:54.996 And I found that really 01:31:55.777 --> 01:31:57.478 dubious. 01:31:57.918 --> 01:32:00.579 They wanted to maintain some independence. 01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:07.081 And that already seemed quite strange, but it never really bothered me. 01:32:07.101 --> 01:32:09.222 And the reason why was because I was a bit naive. 01:32:09.802 --> 01:32:16.464 I was a bit naive because I thought that in neurobiology, I already had the experience to know that viruses were real. 01:32:17.609 --> 01:32:22.755 I have used adenovirus preparations to transfect mice for more than a decade. 01:32:23.215 --> 01:32:24.536 And so I've done it. 01:32:24.697 --> 01:32:25.377 I've ordered it. 01:32:25.558 --> 01:32:26.338 I've designed them. 01:32:26.539 --> 01:32:28.841 I've said, yes, click order. 01:32:28.921 --> 01:32:29.782 I've got the tube. 01:32:29.842 --> 01:32:30.763 I put it in the mouse. 01:32:33.166 --> 01:32:34.947 Green fluorescent protein showed up. 01:32:35.348 --> 01:32:38.131 When I turned on the blue laser, the sodium current shows up. 01:32:38.531 --> 01:32:41.735 If I block it with the right blocker, it gets blocked. 01:32:42.235 --> 01:32:44.918 Like so, I know transfection works. 01:32:45.218 --> 01:32:53.367 I didn't understand that transfection doesn't mean... I didn't understand that transfection on my bench, you can't talk... 01:32:57.918 --> 01:33:01.420 The transfection on my bench, sorry, I had some people come in the room. 01:33:02.060 --> 01:33:03.641 All right, thank you. 01:33:03.901 --> 01:33:08.563 Transfection on my bench does not mean that virology exists. 01:33:09.103 --> 01:33:23.069 But I kind of, at the beginning of the pandemic, was working from that standpoint because I had this experience in academic biology of ordering a commercial product that was told to me was an adenovirus that encoded the gene that I wanted to transfect into my mice. 01:33:23.589 --> 01:33:25.910 And so I know that there are technologies 01:33:26.630 --> 01:33:34.453 where you can package RNA and you can put it into a system, a biological system, and a protein will show up. 01:33:34.633 --> 01:33:42.656 And to the extent that the pharmacology and the optogenetic measurements that I've made in these neurons 01:33:43.456 --> 01:33:50.803 can be explained in any other way, I would like to hear how it can be explained that these biological principles work. 01:33:50.863 --> 01:34:06.256 Now the question, of course, is had the television or my doctor been able to convince me that there is a correlate of this in the real world that are just viruses floating around and every once in a while, if you get the wrong one, holy man, are you 01:34:07.077 --> 01:34:07.877 Are you unlucky? 01:34:08.658 --> 01:34:21.444 And this is something that from a person who's being paid to think about the brain very hard all day long for years, this is not something that even, well, who cares? 01:34:21.604 --> 01:34:24.186 I don't need an explanation for why I get sick. 01:34:24.266 --> 01:34:25.426 I don't need to think about that. 01:34:25.466 --> 01:34:26.267 That's what they do. 01:34:27.067 --> 01:34:29.388 I'm trying to come up with my next grant proposal. 01:34:29.468 --> 01:34:32.250 So for me, this was a real big shift. 01:34:33.250 --> 01:34:34.671 to start to question this stuff. 01:34:34.771 --> 01:34:54.702 And I would argue, Gabe, that because the no virus position was so lacking nuance, it was impossible for me at that time to have them bring me out of my misconception that what I had done on my bench doesn't mean that there are viruses in bats. 01:34:55.502 --> 01:34:57.704 I just kind of thought that this was all one thing. 01:34:57.744 --> 01:35:10.412 And they had a, there's a huge opportunity there that I'm trying to cash in on with these academic biologists that I used to work with, where I can be like, Hey guys, hello, we were all, I was trapped where you are. 01:35:10.432 --> 01:35:12.333 I can, I can, I can help you out. 01:35:12.833 --> 01:35:17.056 And it's not that I'm going to tell you that all of this stuff doesn't exist. 01:35:17.116 --> 01:35:19.598 I'm going to tell you that maybe we're, 01:35:20.663 --> 01:35:29.588 We've been grossly misled to the extent to which we understand it, to the extent to which we can make high-fidelity measurements in this regime. 01:35:30.008 --> 01:35:33.610 Maybe those are all illusions, but there are things there. 01:35:33.670 --> 01:35:34.770 There are signals there. 01:35:34.830 --> 01:35:36.571 We do use this in our immune system. 01:35:36.711 --> 01:35:40.954 Antibodies are occasionally useful for toxins from bacteria. 01:35:40.994 --> 01:35:42.434 These are all probably true. 01:35:43.935 --> 01:35:58.983 If layered on top of this is a mythology which only benefits a multinational biosecurity state and has no real bearing on our daily lives, we've got to question it. 01:35:59.043 --> 01:36:00.984 We absolutely have to question it. 01:36:01.044 --> 01:36:04.907 Because if pandemics were real, they wouldn't need to censor anybody. 01:36:04.967 --> 01:36:08.368 If pandemics were real, you wouldn't need to kill presidents. 01:36:08.428 --> 01:36:12.651 If pandemics were real, you wouldn't need to push it. 01:36:13.251 --> 01:36:14.272 It's just that simple. 01:36:15.853 --> 01:36:16.673 That's absolutely that. 01:36:16.733 --> 01:36:20.075 I don't know if I'm ending in the right place, so you can cue me back up. 01:36:20.155 --> 01:36:20.455 All right. 01:36:20.495 --> 01:36:27.179 I mean, I've got an endless way to ask questions, so never worry about that. 01:36:29.240 --> 01:36:33.522 So you've already introduced an important term here, which is transfection. 01:36:34.423 --> 01:36:41.087 And you've also outlined the way that you started to modify, I guess, or to change your point of view about what you were doing before. 01:36:41.947 --> 01:36:46.851 through that new understanding that there might possibly be a huge misconception out there. 01:36:47.211 --> 01:36:53.155 So can you get into a bit more precisely about what is your position today? 01:36:54.576 --> 01:37:00.940 Can you tell me more details about what you believe are the infectious clones? 01:37:01.361 --> 01:37:04.143 What is transfection compared to infection? 01:37:05.203 --> 01:37:08.846 And how does the notion of infectious clones 01:37:09.466 --> 01:37:16.292 for you brings something more to the table than basically the no virus position. 01:37:16.472 --> 01:37:23.719 So from my understanding, before I let you answer that question, the no virus position, it doesn't come alone. 01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:27.322 So it comes with the terrain conversation, like the terrain theory. 01:37:28.123 --> 01:37:32.768 and another way to understand disease and health. 01:37:33.329 --> 01:37:36.413 So this is a pretty big conversation actually. 01:37:37.454 --> 01:37:42.440 So from their perspective, there doesn't need to be a virus. 01:37:43.482 --> 01:37:45.084 Infection basically is an illusion. 01:37:45.724 --> 01:37:59.695 So the epidemiology exists, but it's an illusion and basically the body reacts to adapt to its environment and it produces either exosome, intercellular communication, and its own bacteria, its own fungi, its own molds, etc. 01:37:59.936 --> 01:38:04.740 Until you solve the cause, then the symptoms will diminish and get back to homeostasis. 01:38:06.921 --> 01:38:10.523 Closing the parenthesis about the no virus position, getting back to yours. 01:38:11.023 --> 01:38:18.607 How does infectious clone bring something different, something new, something more precise, I guess, according to you, to observations? 01:38:19.347 --> 01:38:22.149 And what is to infection compared to infection? 01:38:22.169 --> 01:38:29.312 So I'll start with an analogy that I've been using on my stream for a while and see if it lands. 01:38:31.193 --> 01:38:33.695 You cannot make a cuckoo clock make toast. 01:38:35.461 --> 01:38:41.705 And if you think about the cell, any cell in your body, an epithelial cell, a brain cell, I don't care. 01:38:42.246 --> 01:38:52.272 If you think about that as a cuckoo clock, there's a limited amount of things that you can do if you hijack the machinery of a cell and make it do stuff. 01:38:52.312 --> 01:39:00.497 And if you think of it in your mind, the metaphor of a cuckoo clock, there's lots of things you can do with a cuckoo clock to make it do what it doesn't already do. 01:39:01.858 --> 01:39:08.643 I don't know, it can cuckoo too often, it can cuckoo all the time, it could read the wrong time, it could go backwards, there's lots of stuff. 01:39:08.683 --> 01:39:11.425 Maybe you can rearrange the gears so that you keep track of months. 01:39:11.525 --> 01:39:11.946 I don't know. 01:39:12.486 --> 01:39:14.448 But you're not going to be able to make it a toaster. 01:39:15.749 --> 01:39:20.853 And the problem with virology is that they suggest that your cells 01:39:21.792 --> 01:39:26.196 can be convinced to do something they don't already do, which is make virus. 01:39:26.736 --> 01:39:34.463 They're going to shut off everything they already do, drop all this stuff that they have to maintain, all these finely tuned processes. 01:39:34.503 --> 01:39:39.048 This entire symphony is just going to stop, and it's going to start selling lemonade instead. 01:39:39.668 --> 01:39:43.232 And that isn't, from a biological perspective, possible. 01:39:43.272 --> 01:39:49.017 There's only a limited repertoire of machinery available inside of a cell. 01:39:49.498 --> 01:39:59.348 Even if you believe, you know, the wildest idea of what cells are or are not, you kind of have to accept the fact that the parts are there and you're left with those parts. 01:39:59.808 --> 01:40:01.009 And so if you imagine 01:40:01.790 --> 01:40:16.718 that an RNA with a particular sequence can come in and just make the cell drop everything that it does with the sacred complexity that we don't understand yet and focus on making viral particles. 01:40:17.954 --> 01:40:20.375 I think you're already kind of telling a story. 01:40:20.535 --> 01:40:32.799 And once I started to sort that through my head, the first conclusion that came to my little boy biologist in my head was, well, then maybe cells already make viral-like particles. 01:40:33.320 --> 01:40:39.882 And then I realized that, wait, we already know they do, because in the brain, there's this mRNA called Arc. 01:40:40.542 --> 01:40:44.744 And in 2018, after studying and using Arc as a marker in my own work, 01:40:45.584 --> 01:40:58.300 ARC is a gene, A-R-C, which codes for actin... I don't know what ARC stands for off the top of my head, I apologize, but it is an actin-associated 01:41:00.470 --> 01:41:06.792 RNA that allows the actin skeleton to be rearranged or become mobile. 01:41:07.532 --> 01:41:18.815 And the point is that that is one of the first genes that comes up in the expression pattern of a neuron after it's activated in a learning context. 01:41:18.855 --> 01:41:23.116 So one of the best examples would be like cocaine exposure will activate 01:41:23.856 --> 01:41:29.201 ARK, the gene expression of ARK in neurons in the nucleus accumbens, for example. 01:41:29.241 --> 01:41:30.181 And so you can study 01:41:31.488 --> 01:41:32.968 the plasticity in those neurons. 01:41:33.008 --> 01:41:40.130 And in fact, you can target the neurons that changed or were activated by the cocaine by looking for where ARK is expressed. 01:41:40.150 --> 01:41:41.370 And so this is just a tool. 01:41:41.870 --> 01:41:45.851 Immediate early genes have been used for a long time to try and probe what's going on in the brain. 01:41:45.871 --> 01:41:51.412 If you have trillions of cells and only a few of them are involved in the behavior, then you've got to be all identifying. 01:41:51.432 --> 01:41:52.492 This is one of the way they tried. 01:41:52.992 --> 01:41:56.593 So in 2018, long story short, they found out that, holy crap, 01:41:57.393 --> 01:42:19.370 Arc RNA is actually packaged in endosomes, in little extracellular vesicles, and it buds off of one neuron and goes to the next neuron so that nearby neurons that may not be activated enough by the stimulus in the network to produce arc on their own, if their neighbors and their neighbors are producing arc, they are also 01:42:20.271 --> 01:42:24.053 made more open to plasticity, which is actually really cool. 01:42:24.093 --> 01:42:30.937 And it's actually just an endogenous little virus that gets released by a neuron, and it's sent to another neuron. 01:42:30.957 --> 01:42:37.021 You can think of the extracellular vesicles that are used when a muscle contraction happens. 01:42:37.061 --> 01:42:39.882 Those are also packages of signal. 01:42:39.922 --> 01:42:41.984 In that case, it's neurotransmitter. 01:42:42.024 --> 01:42:43.544 But in the case of ARC, it is RNA. 01:42:44.505 --> 01:42:48.008 We're packaging RNA in one neuron and sending it to another neuron. 01:42:48.028 --> 01:42:56.015 And this is just one tiny example of what is likely a very ubiquitous method of communicating. 01:42:56.055 --> 01:43:03.861 And now you're not telling a story that this little foreign RNA is hijacking a cell and making it do something that it doesn't already do. 01:43:04.362 --> 01:43:05.923 You can imagine a scenario. 01:43:05.943 --> 01:43:07.144 Just give me five more minutes. 01:43:07.564 --> 01:43:10.607 You can imagine a scenario where the 01:43:12.188 --> 01:43:29.518 cell is busy sending little RNA signals, maybe to its neighbors, maybe to the immune system, that the immune system is busy communicating between all these autonomous elements with exosomes with endogenous viruses, whatever you want to call them, they're little packages of genetic material. 01:43:30.018 --> 01:43:31.758 that can be sent around the body. 01:43:31.818 --> 01:43:37.019 They can even be labeled or have a specific address on them, so they go to specific tissues. 01:43:37.039 --> 01:43:41.800 And there's nothing wrong with the idea of saying that, wow, we kind of missed this. 01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:45.821 We didn't realize that we were so complex that this actually existed. 01:43:45.861 --> 01:43:54.943 And now imagine if people that were making vaccines and playing around with radiation and cell culture and trying to figure out how the genome works, 01:43:55.822 --> 01:44:05.004 discovered that, well, maybe our immune system uses retroviruses, and actually the immune system of all mammals use retroviruses. 01:44:05.084 --> 01:44:17.267 Maybe the signals from a related mammal would be compatible enough to screw up our own immune systems, and they didn't want to tell anybody about it because they made a few mistakes with it, something like this. 01:44:17.707 --> 01:44:20.888 And so the feeling that I have is very simple. 01:44:21.308 --> 01:44:24.449 They have substituted with a little shell game 01:44:25.109 --> 01:44:32.552 the idea that, well, we used to have to go out in the wild and try to get this cytopathic effect to work. 01:44:33.272 --> 01:44:34.873 They don't need to do that anymore. 01:44:34.953 --> 01:44:35.373 Why? 01:44:35.773 --> 01:44:43.596 Because they can make a synthetic DNA or a synthetic RNA using any of the commercial techniques that are available now. 01:44:44.116 --> 01:44:48.558 And when they take that pure DNA or that pure RNA, and it's either pure 01:44:49.511 --> 01:44:50.752 DNA or pure RNA. 01:44:50.792 --> 01:44:55.135 So when you say pure and in a molecular perspective, you use the word clone. 01:44:55.695 --> 01:44:59.397 So really what you're doing is a DNA clone or an RNA clone. 01:44:59.417 --> 01:45:09.063 And when I say clone, I mean you have a lot of a molecule and it's all the same or as close to the same as is stochastically possible with the methodologies used. 01:45:09.563 --> 01:45:14.627 My point is, is that what virology boils down to is that cell cultures 01:45:15.407 --> 01:45:20.372 If you put a lot of RNA or DNA on them, they'll probably package it back up and try to put it out. 01:45:21.052 --> 01:45:33.864 If it has some genes that will encode a RNA-dependent RNA polymerase, then you may get the cell culture to copy some of those RNAs, but they will just package them in exosomes and send them out. 01:45:34.625 --> 01:45:50.802 And it's very, very possible that at this stage, RNA virology is a massive illusion that is based on a shadow of some kind of endogenous signal in all mammals, all plants, all fungi use exosomes. 01:45:51.643 --> 01:45:54.225 And because of a biosecurity state, 01:45:55.106 --> 01:46:03.895 that doesn't want us to know that we are created in God's image and that we are fine just the way we are, perfect when we come out of the womb. 01:46:04.256 --> 01:46:14.346 They want us to believe that we're broken from the very beginning and that we need shots from day one and that the only way we're going to survive to be old is if we take all the medicines and follow all their rules. 01:46:16.431 --> 01:46:26.162 This really is just all falling apart for me because I feel really like this is so bad now that they actually probably just murdered people and lied about it. 01:46:26.383 --> 01:46:31.108 And I think they probably also just murdered people and lied about it during the AIDS crisis. 01:46:31.268 --> 01:46:34.692 I think they have consistently demonstrated that 01:46:35.493 --> 01:46:39.854 that this is not about high fidelity understanding of our world. 01:46:39.934 --> 01:46:42.775 It's not about high fidelity understanding of our health. 01:46:42.835 --> 01:47:02.740 It is really about removing our ability to exercise informed consent and removing our ability to appreciate, you know, the beauty of our children when they're first born, but instead really to eventually want to, or it become normal to turn our babies over or even think of them as not ours, but part of the state. 01:47:04.402 --> 01:47:16.248 And I really do see the problem here as if you look very carefully at how the no virus thing was done, they at first were using the word exosome for a while. 01:47:16.288 --> 01:47:29.175 They were at first using some terms that I'm using, but very quickly they cleaned up and it started to really limit right down to they haven't isolated the virus, they can't purify the virus. 01:47:30.716 --> 01:47:37.420 the electron microscopy is silly, and they can't culture viruses, and those are all things that I agree with. 01:47:38.161 --> 01:47:39.562 And so the sort of 01:47:42.122 --> 01:47:54.947 wake-up moment for me was when I was asked to write a brief email response to Christine Massey and Tom Cowan in response to an email that they had sent to CHD. 01:47:56.088 --> 01:47:59.449 Give me just one quick second there for the people listening. 01:47:59.749 --> 01:48:05.712 Christine Massey is someone who was trained as a statistical 01:48:07.230 --> 01:48:11.974 sorry, a statistical scientist, I guess, in Ontario, Canada. 01:48:12.094 --> 01:48:33.610 And she was able to collect about more than 200 freedom of information requests about different governmental institutions and private organizations and labs, asking them if they had in their possession a sample of pure and purified, I guess, isolated viral particles of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. 01:48:35.242 --> 01:48:38.488 So he might have been prepared for any mention of them. 01:48:38.629 --> 01:48:45.241 So if the names come up, he was ready to set in and now he's telling us who Christine Massey is. 01:48:47.443 --> 01:48:49.445 Again, it's an interesting tactic. 01:48:49.465 --> 01:48:57.114 You might also say, hey, just take a step back, Jonathan, and see if you can tell us who Christine Massey is. 01:48:57.354 --> 01:49:00.057 But instead, he's got already a script ready to go. 01:49:00.178 --> 01:49:02.020 So you can kind of see it, but I don't know. 01:49:03.201 --> 01:49:05.343 I kind of have the feeling that's what happened here. 01:49:08.948 --> 01:49:09.909 And they all said no. 01:49:10.449 --> 01:49:12.071 So that's a whole discussion in itself. 01:49:12.392 --> 01:49:20.301 But if people are interested in that, on my French show, I had Christine Massillon in 2022, and I'll put the link in the description below as well. 01:49:20.642 --> 01:49:25.668 So let me give it back to you, Jonathan, and please keep going. 01:49:26.044 --> 01:49:30.126 Yeah, I have no particular beef with Christine Massey. 01:49:30.166 --> 01:49:38.529 She was doing stuff, anti-fluoride stuff, before the pandemic, so she's not nobody and I appreciate the stance that she's taken. 01:49:38.549 --> 01:49:49.914 And when I've talked to her before and I've heard her speak, I understand the frustration because it is, at this stage, I have a lot of sympathy for the idea that 01:49:51.474 --> 01:49:53.758 if there is no virus, then what are we talking about? 01:49:53.778 --> 01:50:04.694 I am also very frustrated with the idea, though, that I do think, wittingly or unwittingly, she has not been able to make a meaningful, you know, 01:50:05.983 --> 01:50:29.484 There's nobody nobody's coming together on any of these issues and I have to believe that that's by design If only because I've tried to come together with a lot of these people on these issues over the last four years and it's always been somehow or another the bridges have been burnt or I'm supposed to choose a side and I really feel the one of the overarching messages that myself and I think Mike Eden is also giving out very 01:50:30.865 --> 01:50:34.328 consistently is that if this is a crime, then we don't have to explain it. 01:50:34.448 --> 01:50:49.278 I don't have to come up with a valid alternative to virology in order to agree with Mark and Sam Bailey and agree with Dave Resnick and agree with these people that whatever we've been told, it's in all these giant textbooks that I have with me. 01:50:49.398 --> 01:50:52.741 I mean, this is, in my mind, it's like protest. 01:50:53.861 --> 01:50:58.565 You write a gigantic book with two volumes about virology if virology is not real. 01:50:59.085 --> 01:51:09.333 just like you have to lock down the world and kill presidents and injure people by the millions if pandemics aren't real. 01:51:09.553 --> 01:51:10.894 Otherwise, you wouldn't have to do that. 01:51:12.355 --> 01:51:25.084 So it was really, to me, what's becoming most striking about it is that if you have the position that there was no virus and you see that people are dying, then it seems like a very easy 01:51:26.127 --> 01:51:34.132 touchdown to score, so to speak, to say, hey, virology is such a big lie that they would be willing to murder people in hospitals and then lie about it. 01:51:35.033 --> 01:51:47.601 But none of these virologists that are sorry, no virus people have been able to get to that point where they've clearly enunciated that there are no viruses, which is fine if that's what they want to say. 01:51:47.981 --> 01:51:51.984 But if there are no viruses, then we're murdering people in hospitals all the time. 01:51:53.873 --> 01:51:57.315 And we're giving people vaccines and injuring them all the time. 01:51:57.375 --> 01:52:00.638 And I don't know how that's not part of the discourse then. 01:52:01.098 --> 01:52:17.350 Because in reality, then they agree with quite a few people, like autistic, moms of autistic kids, dads of autistic kids, people that have lost old people to the, they agree with lots of people then, but they are so focused with almost razor precision on, you know, 01:52:18.197 --> 01:52:23.543 With Christine, a lot of times she was focused exclusively on acknowledge my FOIAs, acknowledge my FOIAs. 01:52:23.583 --> 01:52:28.269 And if anything, over the last four years, I've learned is that at least the U.S. 01:52:28.309 --> 01:52:33.154 government, I assume they do it all over the world, a FOIA, it doesn't prove anything. 01:52:33.234 --> 01:52:36.638 Even if you word it exactly correct and you have three lawyers check it, 01:52:37.239 --> 01:52:41.441 But there are ways that you can never know for sure. 01:52:41.461 --> 01:52:49.326 And it's not surprising to me if you send a FOIA to a police department and ask them if they've isolated a virus, that you get a negative. 01:52:49.366 --> 01:52:55.029 I mean, you could have stopped at three or four of those FOIAs and then moved on to the fact that, see, they don't isolate the virus. 01:52:55.049 --> 01:52:56.110 They're just murdering people. 01:52:56.530 --> 01:53:02.614 And their message would have been more effective in 2021 if they were already saying that. 01:53:02.634 --> 01:53:06.356 And I find it striking that I don't think they were. 01:53:09.570 --> 01:53:14.213 There's a lot of stuff in there, in what you said, and it's all great actually. 01:53:14.474 --> 01:53:22.059 But I really want to get back to your more precise position because you skimmed pretty fast actually on the clones thing, and I want to get back to that. 01:53:22.180 --> 01:53:26.923 But before, I want to address what you just said and maybe get your feedback. 01:53:28.184 --> 01:53:32.668 on that because, you know, I was telling you earlier that there might be some points where you might disagree. 01:53:32.808 --> 01:53:35.770 So let's say, for example, I'm in the no virus category. 01:53:35.830 --> 01:53:36.030 Right. 01:53:36.551 --> 01:53:40.834 I've just been you know, I've not been in that group at all, but I've just gravitated around that. 01:53:40.874 --> 01:53:46.599 So I was like, I guess, self-identifying a little bit with that group since since the beginning. 01:53:46.659 --> 01:53:46.819 Right. 01:53:46.839 --> 01:53:47.319 Since March 2020. 01:53:49.501 --> 01:53:58.704 I've never gotten that impression so that they were not talking about the harm and the problems and the whole of the vaccine schedules personally. 01:53:59.705 --> 01:54:05.587 But I also understood that it was like self-evident at one point that the consequences about 01:54:06.247 --> 01:54:17.774 be like basically harming people directly was a consequence of making sure that we understood that the viruses that we were basing all of that were actually not even existent. 01:54:18.215 --> 01:54:21.477 So the scientific arguments cannot be 01:54:22.361 --> 01:54:23.542 we're murdering people, right? 01:54:23.602 --> 01:54:37.152 It cannot be about the consequences, like the causality, the scientific arguments, like it's to show, to make sure that the scientific enterprise as a whole understands that we're living through an illusion, that the methodology that we're putting in our papers 01:54:37.732 --> 01:54:44.055 to make our claims that viruses exist and are a thing, and that they infect and hijack the cells, do not exist as it is. 01:54:44.696 --> 01:54:55.381 So for me, I thought it was very logical and rigorous, actually, to focus on that point a lot, to make sure that we're attacking the science and not going into assumptions. 01:54:55.761 --> 01:55:00.384 Because even in the murdering and the harming people, it involves a bunch of different things, right? 01:55:00.404 --> 01:55:06.547 The politics, the money, the ventilators, the oxygen, and the antibiotics, and then the... 01:55:07.347 --> 01:55:08.929 you know, the corruption and all of that. 01:55:09.430 --> 01:55:13.955 So it's difficult to remain scientifically focused when you get into that from my perspective. 01:55:14.275 --> 01:55:25.709 So I thought that the idea to focus on the scientific literature was interesting, was very important, and it was central to make sure that we understood that it's a serious conversation and discussion. 01:55:25.769 --> 01:55:27.171 But I've never gotten the impression 01:55:27.831 --> 01:55:31.814 that they were neglecting the harmful consequences of that. 01:55:32.274 --> 01:55:49.346 And once you widen the group of people that you follow around the no-virus conversation, when you get into the Alex X and all of that, well, they've been talking on their podcast and their shows a lot about the harms that are consequential to that. 01:55:49.366 --> 01:55:54.350 So I guess that's a little bit of a different understanding or impression that I got from you 01:55:54.870 --> 01:55:57.132 throughout the first couple of years of the pandemic. 01:55:57.152 --> 01:56:02.297 So anything you want to bounce back from that comment or you want me to move on? 01:56:02.477 --> 01:56:09.664 I only know from my perspective that I lost a job at a real medical school. 01:56:10.445 --> 01:56:13.828 I lost a career with a real PubMed record. 01:56:14.208 --> 01:56:17.772 You can look on PubMed and search my name and the papers that come up are me. 01:56:18.655 --> 01:56:29.060 And they represent two decades of dedication to becoming an academic biologist and learning how to write grants or make papers or do experiments. 01:56:29.120 --> 01:56:32.762 And I would argue that a lot of the experiments that I've done and published represent 01:56:33.717 --> 01:56:43.824 the exception to the rule that often because I'm a biophysicist and I was a pharmacologist, these are basically chemistry and biochemistry. 01:56:43.864 --> 01:56:48.907 And so there's a lot less p-value bullshit to be involved in the things that I was doing. 01:56:49.348 --> 01:57:00.755 However, I was very keenly aware that it was going on all around me and how much easier it would be to climb if I was, please don't slosh your coffee onto the keyboard, doing that kind of methodology. 01:57:00.795 --> 01:57:03.077 Like if I did MRI instead of, 01:57:03.557 --> 01:57:26.027 Patch clamp it would have been great for my career And so what I find very frustrating is that I've never been antagonistic I can go back and show you the email where I first reached out to Sam Bailey saying I think she does great work and I want to have you on my podcast and She told me that she was pregnant and she would get back to me in six months and in six months later She wouldn't even return my emails 01:57:26.847 --> 01:57:38.244 And it's because of this, whatever happened, there was actually sides were taken, borders were drawn, boundaries where they wouldn't cross. 01:57:38.865 --> 01:57:40.868 And it felt very disingenuous to me. 01:57:40.928 --> 01:57:42.610 I'm sorry, but I only have my wife. 01:57:43.191 --> 01:57:45.973 and a couple of friends that talked to me along with my three kids. 01:57:46.594 --> 01:57:49.656 And for the last four years, I've basically been alone with them. 01:57:50.457 --> 01:57:55.441 We lost a house that we were trying to buy at the beginning of the pandemic, and now we rent a house. 01:57:56.002 --> 01:57:59.765 We have incredible amount of stress every month just on what are we gonna do? 01:58:00.265 --> 01:58:01.146 Where are we gonna go? 01:58:01.346 --> 01:58:03.188 How long are we gonna be able to afford this? 01:58:03.688 --> 01:58:09.173 And these are all real pains that I don't see in any of these other people. 01:58:09.966 --> 01:58:11.827 And I'm not saying they deserve it or they should. 01:58:12.387 --> 01:58:13.707 Maybe I'm just really dumb. 01:58:14.228 --> 01:58:18.129 But there are people who have put everything on the line. 01:58:18.169 --> 01:58:25.592 And then there are people who really haven't lost or risked anything and are doing better than they've ever done since the start of the pandemic. 01:58:25.632 --> 01:58:27.233 And I can't really explain that. 01:58:28.313 --> 01:58:37.599 It's really very difficult for me to explain when a lot of these people, when they meet me face-to-face, will say the words, I think you do the most important work in the world. 01:58:37.699 --> 01:58:41.701 I think you are the best immunology teacher I've ever heard. 01:58:42.161 --> 01:58:51.727 They say ridiculous things to my face, but none of them, you are one of the first people that's ever interviewed me and started by spelling my website. 01:58:51.807 --> 01:58:56.030 In fact, I would go back and look at when I was on Robert F. Kennedy Jr.' 01:58:55.970 --> 01:58:56.050 's. 01:58:56.730 --> 01:58:59.992 podcast, he never said giga ohm biological once, I don't think. 01:59:00.792 --> 01:59:03.914 And that's, to me, it becomes very obvious. 01:59:04.234 --> 01:59:17.622 Some people put my interviews behind paywalls, like, they know that my family lives month to month, they know that I, and they don't, they do exactly the opposite of what you might expect them to do. 01:59:17.802 --> 01:59:19.744 And I really believe that 01:59:20.564 --> 01:59:46.764 at least three times, I have in earnest tried to reach out to the no-virus people and suggest that there is a way to explain the molecular biology to the mouth-breathing academics so that they understand that they have been misled about the PCR, they've been misled about virology, and there's a way to bring them over, but it's not by telling them that there are no viruses, even if 10 years from now, 01:59:48.197 --> 01:59:53.321 saying that there are no viruses is more accurate than saying that there are a few viruses. 01:59:53.381 --> 02:00:17.097 That could be the case because we might just say, look, this signal, the regime at this size scale that's composed of little lipid particles that have genetic material in them and maybe have some proteins in their lipid nanoparticle coat, this small layer of signal that Nathan Wolf has gotten famous over, that metagenomic sequencing is aimed at amplifying, 02:00:17.817 --> 02:00:30.823 This signal is dominated by endogenous signals, signals that come from our own tissue, signals that come from other animals' tissue, signals that come from bacteriophages. 02:00:31.463 --> 02:00:38.046 All of this stuff is dominating, like orders and orders of magnitude, this signal is dominated. 02:00:38.226 --> 02:00:42.608 And what we have been told at the beginning of the pandemic, that that signal is almost 02:00:43.428 --> 02:00:49.213 irrelevant because we can pull very specific signals out with very high fidelity. 02:00:49.513 --> 02:01:00.602 And we are actually pulling out a signal right now with diagnostic tests and sequencing primers that we've never used before, even though they were there and we could have used them, we didn't. 02:01:01.303 --> 02:01:09.810 And now we're telling you that we have a very high fidelity phylogenetic tree pulled out of a background of almost nothing that's relevant. 02:01:10.570 --> 02:01:16.011 And we've carefully observed the spread of a novel virus for five years. 02:01:16.471 --> 02:01:20.452 And there is absolutely no precedence for this in the literature. 02:01:20.993 --> 02:01:34.776 And the only way to succinctly destroy that is to say that there are lots of ways, real molecular biological techniques that could be used to create the illusion 02:01:35.732 --> 02:01:38.173 of a molecular pandemic, because that's what this is. 02:01:39.234 --> 02:01:41.815 Virology has become molecular virology. 02:01:42.036 --> 02:01:50.800 All virology is done by using a PCR reaction in the wild with primers that are geared to pull up certain sequences. 02:01:50.840 --> 02:01:53.202 And if those sequences show up, then 02:01:55.069 --> 02:01:58.890 prerequisite one has been met, there may be a coronavirus in your sample. 02:01:58.990 --> 02:02:03.472 Then you would use metagenomic sequencing to amplify everything there. 02:02:03.552 --> 02:02:08.474 And then you would use a computer program to decide whether or not the sentence that you're looking for could be present. 02:02:09.474 --> 02:02:14.976 And that's the extent to which our biology existed before the pandemic. 02:02:15.036 --> 02:02:23.019 And unfortunately, because I guess we weren't funding them or there wasn't a priority, we have actually zero data. 02:02:24.056 --> 02:02:36.568 None, zippo zilch on the prevalence of N protein, the prevalence of a spike protein, the prevalence of seroprevalence in people to any of these proteins before the pandemic, zero data. 02:02:37.229 --> 02:02:49.140 And so all of the data that we've gathered from the beginning of the pandemic could have been there before the pandemic available to be characterized, but we just didn't characterize it and they have done nothing 02:02:50.171 --> 02:02:56.717 In fact, they have avoided ever establishing the novelty of whatever the signal is. 02:02:57.158 --> 02:03:12.752 One of the tricks that the no-virus stance, I believe, is too simple to reveal is that an existing background noise of RNA and DNA is almost required. 02:03:13.641 --> 02:03:18.543 for the virology illusion to have come into existence at all. 02:03:19.083 --> 02:03:33.407 In other words, if these no-virus people were right, and there are no viruses, it's just something completely different, then it would be impossible for this many observations in the past to have been so consistently misinterpreted. 02:03:34.380 --> 02:03:40.306 But because they have been consistently misinterpreted, that suggests that there is a phenomenon there that's been misinterpreted. 02:03:40.366 --> 02:03:44.310 And to say that there's no viruses means that there's no signal here. 02:03:45.131 --> 02:03:46.272 Obviously there's a signal. 02:03:46.312 --> 02:03:48.254 Maybe calling it viruses is really dumb. 02:03:48.734 --> 02:03:54.080 But there's a signal here, and from that signal we can be made to believe. 02:03:55.003 --> 02:03:58.504 that there is something of significance, like we do with all p-values. 02:03:58.604 --> 02:03:59.405 That's what they've done. 02:03:59.905 --> 02:04:14.591 And so if you remember the cuckoo clock thing, if all cells are already packaging RNA and DNA and already communicating in health and in disease, then it would be to their best interest to tell you that that's all outside of you. 02:04:14.731 --> 02:04:20.533 Otherwise, in order to study it, they've got to be able to accurately differentiate between what's you and what's that. 02:04:21.661 --> 02:04:26.305 And if they can't, then the whole illusion of disease falls apart. 02:04:26.365 --> 02:04:39.377 Because now, am I transmitting disease to my wife to protect her so that she develops an immune response that might include a runny nose and whatever, but not the potential exposure that I was exposed to? 02:04:39.437 --> 02:04:41.579 We don't know because we're never going to ask that question. 02:04:42.159 --> 02:04:43.641 All the symptoms are from outside. 02:04:43.701 --> 02:04:45.462 All the symptoms are produced by a pathogen. 02:04:45.482 --> 02:04:47.144 It's got to be a bacteria or a virus. 02:04:47.604 --> 02:05:05.902 And so we've never even considered the possibility that in a small community, kind of like tribes or whatever, you can imagine a scenario where the immune systems of those conspecifics, because they live together, because they grow together, they raise their kids together, that their immune system could become in sync. 02:05:07.023 --> 02:05:24.228 And that just has a reflection in even the rudimentary syncing of menstrual cycles has to be occurring in some mechanical fashion, most likely probably an exosome that's sending a signal or a hormone that can be detected. 02:05:24.268 --> 02:05:25.128 But we don't care. 02:05:25.168 --> 02:05:26.469 We're not looking for that stuff. 02:05:26.949 --> 02:05:34.577 Because signals that describe interaction between us are not signals that they want us to pay attention to. 02:05:34.617 --> 02:05:42.887 They want us to think of all of this biology as extant from us, because then they have complete intellectual control over it. 02:05:43.027 --> 02:05:47.391 And they don't have to justify studying it as outside of you, whereas if it was part of you, 02:05:47.972 --> 02:05:51.054 then even collecting the sample would need your permission, right? 02:05:51.094 --> 02:05:54.097 Even, even you're sampling my immune system. 02:05:54.157 --> 02:05:54.617 No, no, no. 02:05:55.037 --> 02:05:58.300 Oh, no, we're trying to sample the pathogen that's in your immune system. 02:05:58.340 --> 02:06:09.148 And so that's a huge, you know, it's potentially a huge bait and switch that has been going on for a couple generations where they're actually never been looking at 02:06:10.299 --> 02:06:21.993 at pathogens, they've been looking at a signal which is essentially a reflection of the current molecular health of somebody or the molecular status of their immune system, the molecular status of the cells that they sample. 02:06:22.814 --> 02:06:23.435 It's just a 02:06:24.778 --> 02:06:26.280 It's a level of simplification. 02:06:26.380 --> 02:06:35.009 Virology takes this potentially almost limitless complexity if you admit that this communication is possible. 02:06:35.049 --> 02:06:40.614 And in fact, there are whole departments that have studied it for a few years, a few decades now. 02:06:41.655 --> 02:06:45.880 And you just admit that virology can't exist unless they ignore that. 02:06:48.085 --> 02:06:59.717 It suddenly becomes obvious that at least from the biosecurity public health perspective, most of the narratives that we've been told are wholly false. 02:06:59.937 --> 02:07:04.882 And that's why they doubled down on the vaccine schedule right at the beginning of the pandemic. 02:07:04.922 --> 02:07:07.405 They've tried to make sure that Bill Gates and everybody had their 02:07:08.005 --> 02:07:20.397 explanation down and we have gotten rid of disease in the past using vaccines and then only you know three or four years later they say well not this vaccine but lots of other vaccines have worked that way and so they've 02:07:21.618 --> 02:07:38.257 Dave, I think all along had this plan to kind of hedge their bets and to try and hope that the vast majority of us would be so confused and frustrated that solving the mystery of the gain-of-function virus would be enough for us to buy it and enough for us to teach it to our children. 02:07:38.957 --> 02:07:41.140 And I'm frustrated because I feel like 02:07:42.802 --> 02:07:52.447 I feel like there's a lot of people at ICANN and at CHD who at the beginning of the pandemic actually thought, oh my gosh, this is going to break it. 02:07:52.487 --> 02:07:53.528 We're going to actually win. 02:07:53.568 --> 02:07:55.269 This is going to be badass. 02:07:56.129 --> 02:08:05.214 And I think internally, I think a lot of people are kind of disappointed that we haven't come farther and are unwilling to realize that 02:08:07.222 --> 02:08:23.665 through careful curation of these disparate points of view and careful segregation of these points of view and particular questions that are asked or not asked by different people, it would have been impossible for us to be any farther than we are now. 02:08:23.685 --> 02:08:29.466 And in fact, we're as far as we are now despite their best efforts, which is actually commendable for all of us. 02:08:29.606 --> 02:08:34.227 Because had we had just a little bit more compliance in the United States, I'm not sure 02:08:34.907 --> 02:08:38.408 that the illusion would be as wavy as it is right now. 02:08:38.448 --> 02:08:40.529 I'm kind of wondering, maybe you have to center me again. 02:08:42.229 --> 02:08:49.152 That's great, no, actually, because you're putting your position into different layers of perspectives, which I really appreciate. 02:08:50.872 --> 02:08:55.494 Because, again, it helps me better understand how you think and why you think the thing that you think. 02:08:56.354 --> 02:08:59.415 What you think, the thing that you think, the thing that you think, sorry. 02:08:59.495 --> 02:08:59.635 But... 02:09:02.493 --> 02:09:07.035 Let's pretend, let's try to approach this in a different way. 02:09:07.215 --> 02:09:11.357 Let's pretend, for example, that I'm Andy Kaufman or Tom Cowan. 02:09:11.377 --> 02:09:22.001 Because before we do that, for me, as an outsider again, I guess 85% of what you just told me 02:09:23.192 --> 02:09:28.336 is almost like a clone, to use the word, of what the no-virus people think, right? 02:09:28.636 --> 02:09:40.364 We're in agreement with pretty much like the greater picture, the harms, the problem with the teaching, teaching new virologists and the children and the harms that's done and all of that. 02:09:40.464 --> 02:09:42.665 Although, you know, we have different perspectives. 02:09:42.685 --> 02:09:45.307 You think that the no-virus people did not talk about it enough. 02:09:45.787 --> 02:09:48.129 I think they did, but you know, that's neither here nor there, right? 02:09:49.910 --> 02:10:06.702 the problems with the division, so the people at CHD and even the people at the Highwire event and all of these big great places that have done great work and they're divided around that issue and we could have been probably even further if there was like a 02:10:07.705 --> 02:10:12.989 more tolerance in between different positions and like a greater unity among the resistance. 02:10:13.029 --> 02:10:15.131 That's something I think we can agree as well. 02:10:15.551 --> 02:10:32.644 And I would grant you that some people in the no virus category probably were a bit too direct, too close, maybe not maybe, I wouldn't say maybe close minded, but really more ideological in a way that they really focused on making sure that they were proving or disproving the claims of virology. 02:10:32.684 --> 02:10:34.565 So I could go that far as well. 02:10:35.106 --> 02:10:35.266 But 02:10:36.630 --> 02:10:53.538 The reason that, I'm not affirming, but possibly the reason that you were not able to go through or to push through communication with the no-virus people, and I don't know, I haven't spoken to anyone, I'm just hypothesizing here. 02:10:55.539 --> 02:11:01.202 So the reason that you were not able to establish communication there and go further has to be around the science. 02:11:01.622 --> 02:11:04.424 It has to be around the interpretation of what was going on 02:11:05.064 --> 02:11:12.987 and what is your different interpretation and understanding and conclusions about virology and the existence or not of viruses. 02:11:13.267 --> 02:11:22.951 So I want to center back to that and try to re-approach it a little bit and tell me what you think I have wrong in my understanding here. 02:11:23.991 --> 02:11:25.272 So the clones, right? 02:11:25.692 --> 02:11:28.193 So the clones thing is very important. 02:11:28.253 --> 02:11:31.274 So one thing that you said is that clones are 02:11:32.383 --> 02:11:33.563 clones of themselves. 02:11:33.704 --> 02:11:36.805 So that's why you call them clones, of course. 02:11:37.285 --> 02:11:37.765 That's great. 02:11:38.345 --> 02:11:44.568 But the counterpoint, I guess, to that from the no-virus people is that, yes, but you need an original clone. 02:11:44.848 --> 02:11:51.931 Before you clone the clone with other clones, you need to clone the clone on the first thing that should be represented in the natural world. 02:11:52.251 --> 02:11:56.473 So you should have a representative of a virus 02:11:57.113 --> 02:12:03.937 something that's proven to be a virus purified in itself that's shown to cause a disease X inside the living being. 02:12:04.597 --> 02:12:06.218 And then you can clone that. 02:12:06.438 --> 02:12:11.101 But before that, you need to make sure that you've characterized it and understood it as a particle. 02:12:11.882 --> 02:12:13.943 And you understand what it is by itself. 02:12:14.063 --> 02:12:15.123 Then you can close that. 02:12:15.564 --> 02:12:17.705 And then after that, you can have a bunch of clones. 02:12:17.945 --> 02:12:22.288 You can be, I guess, DNA clones that you transfer to RNA clones. 02:12:22.348 --> 02:12:24.329 And then these clones exist in themselves. 02:12:24.989 --> 02:12:36.472 So for me right now, this question becomes very disingenuous because it's not his question because it's too long of a question for it to be his question. 02:12:36.532 --> 02:12:42.834 So it's on a note somewhere and he's reading off the note and then now improvising past it to waste more time. 02:12:45.013 --> 02:13:08.150 There's no way that these people don't understand what I mean when I say that they can make a lot of DNA and they can make a lot of RNA and they can put it on cell culture and then they can do passages and it'll still be in the last passage they understand exactly the implications of what I'm saying and that's why they have to ignore it because if they if they don't 02:13:09.105 --> 02:13:17.627 ignore it, then this will become common knowledge very, very quickly because it is the truth that everybody needs to hear. 02:13:17.647 --> 02:13:23.709 The transformation and transfection with DNA and RNA that they can make in giant vats. 02:13:24.629 --> 02:13:26.029 You want to see the giant vats? 02:13:26.049 --> 02:13:37.212 You watch Brian Artis' red pill presentation from this year that I presented right after him because in his presentation, he shows lots of these big vats where they're making venom. 02:13:38.168 --> 02:13:39.849 But he never explains how they make it. 02:13:40.430 --> 02:13:44.353 And how they make it is by making it a lot of DNA that encodes the venom. 02:13:46.435 --> 02:13:49.277 And once they make the DNA, they can make RNA if they want to. 02:13:49.297 --> 02:13:51.179 It depends on the methodology they want to use. 02:13:51.239 --> 02:13:56.123 But transformation and transfection in cell culture is virology. 02:13:59.417 --> 02:14:02.579 And so any gain-of-function virology is that. 02:14:02.699 --> 02:14:08.723 It is the synthetic creation of DNA and RNA and the transfection and transformation of cell culture using it. 02:14:08.783 --> 02:14:09.223 That's it. 02:14:10.184 --> 02:14:15.447 And that's not a pandemic in a Petri dish. 02:14:15.507 --> 02:14:16.267 It's just not. 02:14:16.427 --> 02:14:17.248 It's synthetic 02:14:18.985 --> 02:14:23.507 exosomes, it's synthetic repackaging of RNA. 02:14:23.527 --> 02:14:47.397 We don't really know what's going on there, but whatever they're studying there, whatever they've cloned out of the wild is likely an endogenous signal that they are distorting as an exogenous one so that they can study it with reckless abandon and never tell us that, well, we're looking at the immune system of bats because the immune system of bats has a particularly strong signal. 02:14:48.479 --> 02:14:57.284 And this signal is strong enough that we can detect it, and we've detected some interesting genes that we've never found in any of the things we've looked at in humans or monkeys. 02:14:57.924 --> 02:15:02.527 And these genes might help us create more reliable self-replicating RNAs. 02:15:04.508 --> 02:15:18.036 And so since Tony Fauci and NIH and Department of Defense are all in it together, then when they say they want to study viruses, what they could really be studying are endogenous immune signals. 02:15:19.232 --> 02:15:24.013 And the modification of, the protection of, the projection of immune signals. 02:15:26.394 --> 02:15:34.556 Are bats especially good at keeping people out of their cave by, by making sure that there are immune signals there that can make people really, really sick? 02:15:34.656 --> 02:15:35.176 I don't know. 02:15:35.196 --> 02:15:39.277 I'm not, but if you believe that there is some kind of, of 02:15:40.450 --> 02:15:49.898 of intermeshing kind of thing there, then there's lots of different ways to describe how the immune systems of humans could interact with the immune system of other humans. 02:15:51.359 --> 02:16:01.467 And it might involve particles that could very much resemble small packets of information with a protein lipo coat. 02:16:03.228 --> 02:16:06.571 And so he wants to understand, I don't understand what the clones are. 02:16:06.611 --> 02:16:08.773 You have to have a clone to know what you're cloning. 02:16:11.397 --> 02:16:16.701 And so now the argument is that molecular biology, where they look for stuff, they can't find anything. 02:16:18.062 --> 02:16:20.824 When they try to study enzymes, they don't find anything. 02:16:20.844 --> 02:16:24.207 When they try to find RNA, they don't find anything. 02:16:24.247 --> 02:16:26.208 Are we really going to go that far backwards? 02:16:26.228 --> 02:16:38.297 Or are we just going to start to admit that as they're studying this background signal, if they want to get away with studying it, they will never know what they're looking at. 02:16:38.397 --> 02:16:39.458 They call it viruses. 02:16:41.269 --> 02:16:47.311 rather than the signaling of all the life on earth, the signaling of all the bacteria on earth. 02:16:47.791 --> 02:16:54.714 And again, I don't say it enough in this interview, but bacteriophages are just completely out of the question, out of the discussion. 02:16:55.354 --> 02:17:01.436 And yet none of the no virus people disagree with their existence or object to their existence. 02:17:01.476 --> 02:17:10.179 So just the fact alone that bacteria in your lungs, bacteria in your guts, bacteria in your skin, bacteria in the air, bacteria in the water are all 02:17:14.893 --> 02:17:29.147 are all, okay I'm not gonna worry about it, are all, all of those things are, are produced by, I lost my train of thought now, I thought I saw a cat in the backyard, sorry. 02:17:29.167 --> 02:17:35.574 I don't think I did though, but it would be kind of bad if we did. 02:17:40.922 --> 02:17:55.170 And I guess you could use these purified clones to send a signal out there or even put into some beverages or water sources and get a signal after that with some PCR tests that were based on 02:17:55.996 --> 02:17:59.797 on the molecular structure or the genetic code of that clone. 02:18:00.318 --> 02:18:08.360 But the first clone has to be based on something that's real, that's been isolated and purified inside the living organism. 02:18:10.001 --> 02:18:13.182 And not just inside a soup, that's how they call it, right? 02:18:13.222 --> 02:18:18.444 The culture, the cellular culture is a soup of different provenances of genetic material which can be 02:18:19.412 --> 02:18:24.676 maybe a virus, but maybe like, you know, cells from the body, you know, it's not whatever. 02:18:24.796 --> 02:18:29.859 And then they add antibiotics, they add like the fetal bovine serum and all of that. 02:18:30.000 --> 02:18:31.861 And so you have a lot of different material. 02:18:32.281 --> 02:18:38.946 And then it's impossible from that to know that the RNA that you have sequenced together is from a virus. 02:18:39.446 --> 02:18:41.588 So can you explain to me simply 02:18:42.625 --> 02:18:43.845 How do you build the first clone? 02:18:44.746 --> 02:18:48.407 Is that detailed in the methodology of the papers that you're talking about? 02:18:48.427 --> 02:18:49.867 Because I'm sure that it is. 02:18:49.907 --> 02:18:54.748 Yeah, this is the part that I think the reason why you don't understand it is because of the no virus people. 02:18:55.869 --> 02:18:56.369 It's possible. 02:18:56.389 --> 02:18:58.769 So that's why I want you to explain it to me. 02:18:58.849 --> 02:19:02.390 I don't know who else would have, because I've been explaining it for like three years. 02:19:02.490 --> 02:19:05.111 And if you don't still understand it, then it's because of them. 02:19:07.172 --> 02:19:11.393 I'm not saying that if you put DNA or RNA clones 02:19:12.398 --> 02:19:14.440 on a cell culture that now you make viruses. 02:19:14.480 --> 02:19:15.320 That's the whole point. 02:19:16.461 --> 02:19:22.706 But you do make exosomes with those DNA and RNA there if you make enough of the RNA or the DNA. 02:19:22.746 --> 02:19:33.235 That's the part that I can't express how frustrating it is that these people pretend to be able to dismantle my arguments when they don't even address them. 02:19:34.033 --> 02:19:38.074 When I say that they have not cultured virus, I'm agreeing with them. 02:19:38.114 --> 02:19:48.558 When I say that they use PCR to find a single enzyme called RNA-dependent RNA polymerase and then claim that there's a virus in the sample, I'm agreeing with them. 02:19:49.258 --> 02:19:59.042 And what I'm suggesting is the only way this works is if you assume the RNA-dependent RNA polymerase is not native to the animal, to the patient, and it has to be. 02:20:00.069 --> 02:20:02.450 We have RNA dependent RNA polymerases. 02:20:03.110 --> 02:20:04.731 Why would we assume that it's viral? 02:20:05.131 --> 02:20:10.633 The only reason why we assume it's viral is because David Baltimore and all the people after him have told us that it's viral. 02:20:11.193 --> 02:20:17.135 The same reason why we assume that retroviruses that we find in T cell cultures have to be viruses. 02:20:17.175 --> 02:20:19.576 They can't possibly be retro 02:20:20.765 --> 02:20:27.034 viral genetic signals being used by the immune system to communicate between its autonomous parts. 02:20:27.074 --> 02:20:27.835 That's impossible. 02:20:27.855 --> 02:20:29.157 It couldn't possibly be that. 02:20:30.018 --> 02:20:33.142 And that assumption is all based on just a few men. 02:20:34.025 --> 02:20:39.227 Bob Gallo, David Baltimore, maybe Murray Gardner, and the people that trained with them. 02:20:39.307 --> 02:20:39.747 That's it. 02:20:39.827 --> 02:20:52.092 If one, for those three or four people, this dumb idea that RNA-dependent RNA polymerase, that single-stranded DNA, single-stranded RNA in the negative form, all of these things are outside of us. 02:20:52.132 --> 02:20:53.353 We don't use any of this stuff. 02:20:53.773 --> 02:20:56.774 And it's every time we find it, it's indicative of a virus. 02:20:57.434 --> 02:21:01.496 The trick, obviously, is that if the cuckoo clock doesn't 02:21:02.469 --> 02:21:03.470 You can't do that. 02:21:04.090 --> 02:21:10.415 The only way to explain viruses is to say that it's possible for an RNA or DNA to briefly 02:21:11.497 --> 02:21:18.881 use the machinery of a cell to package itself, to briefly use the machinery of a cell to replicate and package itself. 02:21:19.281 --> 02:21:20.822 And lo and behold, where are we now? 02:21:21.142 --> 02:21:25.105 We're talking about self-replicating RNA vaccines for flu. 02:21:25.525 --> 02:21:32.469 So we're actually revealing that the molecular biology that we've been playing around with all along is probably just our own. 02:21:33.109 --> 02:21:44.384 And we're trying to find its correlate in bats and its correlate in other animals because the more correlates of it we find, the better that we'll understand how our own system communicates within itself. 02:21:44.844 --> 02:21:48.509 And the point is... The no virus position does not exclude that at all. 02:21:49.250 --> 02:21:58.073 The no virus position, you just wasted 20 minutes or 10 minutes asking all the wrong questions about where does the first clone come from. 02:21:58.193 --> 02:21:59.574 It comes from a keyboard. 02:22:00.074 --> 02:22:01.814 I've said it for three years now. 02:22:02.235 --> 02:22:03.535 It comes from a keyboard. 02:22:03.575 --> 02:22:07.436 It doesn't have to come from the mouse or the rat or the bat. 02:22:07.836 --> 02:22:11.938 And once you see that, then virology doesn't have to come from there either. 02:22:12.478 --> 02:22:23.381 And the no virus people, whether or not they've said it, they know damn well that I've been saying it and they've been purposefully mischaracterizing Cooey for the last three years. 02:22:23.421 --> 02:22:30.184 They've been physically and emotionally and financially interfering with my family. 02:22:30.444 --> 02:22:33.385 It's like tortious interference with a business partner. 02:22:33.765 --> 02:22:37.726 If you call my employer and say that I'm acting in bad faith, 02:22:38.706 --> 02:22:40.648 It's just, it's wrong. 02:22:40.708 --> 02:22:42.089 They shouldn't have been doing that. 02:22:42.149 --> 02:22:45.131 Not when I'm sending them emails saying, I think you guys are right. 02:22:45.932 --> 02:22:49.795 Not when I'm sending emails saying, I think infectious clones is something you should understand. 02:22:50.216 --> 02:22:52.518 Their response was, well, send us some papers. 02:22:53.425 --> 02:22:55.446 It's like, that's sad. 02:22:55.726 --> 02:22:57.687 Just go to PubMed. 02:22:58.167 --> 02:23:02.149 Go to PubMed and put infectious clones in and start reading, because that's what I did. 02:23:02.529 --> 02:23:05.310 I'm not going to do this work for anybody, and I can't. 02:23:05.710 --> 02:23:11.353 If you're not sophisticated enough to learn the biology, then I'm not going to be sophisticated enough to teach it to you. 02:23:11.373 --> 02:23:14.174 It's like, if you don't want to put in the time to work on a car, 02:23:14.614 --> 02:23:18.198 Then I can't draw enough pictures on my screen to teach you how to work on a car. 02:23:18.578 --> 02:23:35.336 And if you want to figure out what infectious clones are, every single person with the intellectual capability is going to have to download about 100 papers and find out that, holy shit, all they do is print a DNA, squirt it on a cell culture, take the supernatant, and call that viruses. 02:23:35.836 --> 02:23:41.840 That's culturing, and I've been trying to explain that they're 100% right, but they could be more precise about it. 02:23:42.321 --> 02:23:47.965 I've been trying to say they could be more precise in saying why it's so important to hide this fact. 02:23:48.425 --> 02:23:59.233 That's the reason why they make such a big deal about Ralph Baric and his no-see-um technology, because then it really seems like, wow, Ralph Baric invented something really important, and he's the one who invented infectious clones. 02:23:59.653 --> 02:24:01.275 It's just transfection. 02:24:02.318 --> 02:24:08.563 Just the same as when I put my RNA on the cells, they express the protein that's there. 02:24:08.943 --> 02:24:14.528 If you put an RNA in there with the right genes, it'll probably hijack the exosomal machinery and package it up. 02:24:14.628 --> 02:24:15.048 Big deal. 02:24:15.368 --> 02:24:26.097 Hold a second there, because, I mean, I appreciate that, but so it seems to me like you're speaking to the norovirus people through me, and I just want to reiterate to you that I'm not 02:24:26.497 --> 02:24:42.297 These guys that you've interacted before, I'm a different person and I approached you in order to... Well, I'm trying to suggest to you that I'm trying to suggest one particular thing and I am a rare bird because I have actually seen them in the wild. 02:24:43.218 --> 02:25:01.212 in the background in private zoom meetings and I know I know for sure that how they have played the game is not straight because I have tried my best to play the game straight I've never lied to anybody I've never doubted that people were only when somebody doesn't 02:25:02.364 --> 02:25:18.620 just discuss things, just talk about things, but instead starts to attack and say that you're a... They were tying me to Jeffrey Epstein because I had some... You're going back to the personal issues with your communications with them. 02:25:18.940 --> 02:25:22.804 And I know that it's not an easy four years that we've lived through. 02:25:23.184 --> 02:25:25.286 And your precise case is really particular. 02:25:25.807 --> 02:25:26.427 And I know that 02:25:27.768 --> 02:25:40.815 I'm not going to want to use the phrase on both sides, like the Trump phrase, but I'm pretty sure that people made mistakes in different kinds of groups, and that it's not been great for this particular topic in your communications. 02:25:40.975 --> 02:25:41.675 I understand that. 02:25:43.536 --> 02:25:51.739 It's my understanding that people outside of that want to understand the truth about what's going on and the truth about biology and virology. 02:25:52.059 --> 02:26:08.284 So the way that I approached you is for you to explain to me your position clearly so that I can understand it and digest it, and people that are interested in that and want to get to the nuance of the details can at least have a brief summary of what you think precisely. 02:26:08.704 --> 02:26:23.448 Now, if you don't want to get more into it, I guess we can move on, but I would have a couple of few more questions to ask you, but it has to involve you trying to boil down some things that you understand to a lower level. 02:26:24.448 --> 02:26:31.450 Because the only way that I can understand what I do is because people did that before in different fields of science. 02:26:32.190 --> 02:26:42.699 Well, tell me what you need, because I've spent the last four years doing it, there's hundreds of hours, and so if I need to take a swing at a particular thing, just tell me what it is. 02:26:44.320 --> 02:26:55.329 All right, so I guess the term infectious clone is in itself like the difference between virus versus exosomes or endosomes. 02:26:56.726 --> 02:27:02.471 Yeah, I would call it transfectious clone, really, because it's transfection of a cloned molecule. 02:27:03.392 --> 02:27:07.216 Okay, so what's the difference between infection and transfection? 02:27:07.436 --> 02:27:15.784 Well, infection is a virology term that assumes that viruses exist, and when viruses replicate inside your cells, that's called infection. 02:27:15.864 --> 02:27:17.866 I'm making the argument that that doesn't exist. 02:27:18.621 --> 02:27:23.627 I'm making the argument that transfection exists, and we use that as a way of communicating between cells. 02:27:24.088 --> 02:27:32.638 We probably, transfection is some way of communicating between immune system elements, especially retroviral communication. 02:27:33.499 --> 02:27:36.362 I think that's probably the conclusion to come to with regard to 02:27:37.143 --> 02:27:53.901 XMRV and HTLV and AIDS, actually, is that retroviruses are a very common mechanism by which T cells and B cells and the rest of the autonomous units of the immune system communicate between the various cell populations. 02:27:56.331 --> 02:28:09.346 It would be a spectacular thing to keep secret of course, because then you could completely control that whole intellectual space and every possibility there would be under your control because nobody even knows it exists. 02:28:09.786 --> 02:28:11.148 It's, it's, it's virology. 02:28:12.253 --> 02:28:24.723 So transfection, for you, if I get you correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's a synonym, I guess, for intra or intercellular communication through the subtle layer that you were talking about earlier, right? 02:28:24.763 --> 02:28:26.044 The endo-vomit. 02:28:26.064 --> 02:28:29.627 Transfection is a bigger word that is more general. 02:28:30.007 --> 02:28:32.910 Transfection, for me, I'll just define it for myself, 02:28:33.870 --> 02:28:39.333 is the use of RNA that results in the expression of a protein. 02:28:39.373 --> 02:28:53.061 And I want to use it as broadly as possible in order to help academic biologists to understand that what they are doing on their bench for the last 15 years is transfection. 02:28:53.101 --> 02:28:54.882 They use lipofectamine to do it. 02:28:54.922 --> 02:28:56.603 They've used gold particles to do it. 02:28:56.643 --> 02:28:58.704 They use electroporation to do it. 02:28:59.184 --> 02:28:59.885 There's probably 02:29:00.745 --> 02:29:09.351 40 different ways to take a cloned RNA and put it in a cell, and then whatever that RNA encoded for will be expressed by that cell. 02:29:09.391 --> 02:29:10.692 That's how they make insulin. 02:29:12.173 --> 02:29:16.576 That's how they can make lots of pharmaceutical biologics. 02:29:16.636 --> 02:29:20.098 So, this basic methodology has its 02:29:23.086 --> 02:29:28.708 has its endogenous counterpart in the form of this exosomal communication. 02:29:28.748 --> 02:29:29.449 That's my guess. 02:29:29.929 --> 02:29:44.095 And so just like we are able to express a protein in a cell, one cell can send a signal to another for it to express a protein, just like I gave the example of the ARC protein in the brain. 02:29:44.115 --> 02:29:50.558 That's one neuron sending an RNA signal to another neuron so that it can express a protein that it wouldn't otherwise express. 02:29:51.218 --> 02:30:00.476 And so if that exists in that one little context of the brain, it's very hard for me as a childhood biologist not to imagine that this is just a ubiquitous thing. 02:30:02.234 --> 02:30:08.276 in our bodies and the bodies of all the other, you know, complex beings, pattern integrities on Earth. 02:30:08.817 --> 02:30:16.940 And so, transfection is a way of talking in general biological terms about what RNA does when it gets put into a cell. 02:30:17.360 --> 02:30:25.043 And it's a broader term because I want to include all of the synthetic ways that we have learned about 02:30:25.763 --> 02:30:28.665 about protein expression by using transfection. 02:30:28.725 --> 02:30:46.236 So if we back up a little bit, one of the ways, a lot of the things that we have learned about the physiology of our body is based on the ability to take an RNA of a protein and express it in a place where the protein already is, so that the physiological levels of that protein are double or triple what they're supposed to be. 02:30:46.776 --> 02:30:53.800 And the physiological effect of that change gives us some clue as to what that protein does in the natural system. 02:30:54.201 --> 02:31:03.426 And we've also done things where we express an RNA that can reduce the expression of that protein and look at the effects on the system of that. 02:31:03.846 --> 02:31:13.292 And so for many decades, academic biologists have used transfection as a way of altering protein expression, up or down, or putting it where it doesn't belong, 02:31:13.812 --> 02:31:17.074 to understand how these proteins are part of the symphony of life. 02:31:17.654 --> 02:31:24.497 Now, transformation is a word that specifically refers to using DNA to do the same thing. 02:31:25.317 --> 02:31:38.143 And so if you were being really precise as a thermoscientific salesman, you would have already known that transformation refers to DNA and all the products that use DNA, and you got to order a DNA to do transformation. 02:31:38.564 --> 02:31:43.106 Or we have these subset of things that we call transfection products, which we use with RNA. 02:31:44.868 --> 02:31:53.458 And the important thing to realize is that infectious clones are very simply the transfection of cell culture. 02:31:54.304 --> 02:32:02.931 So it is a methodology that, outside of virology, is very, very well understood. 02:32:02.971 --> 02:32:12.158 Like I used to do biophysics in HEK cells, and we would express a particular potassium channel there, and we could study it and do whatever, and we did all that stuff. 02:32:12.558 --> 02:32:20.024 And the way that we set that system up is very similar to how they do virology, except for we don't use the supernatant. 02:32:20.044 --> 02:32:21.144 We record from the cells. 02:32:21.164 --> 02:32:22.666 But if we took the supernatant off, 02:32:23.246 --> 02:32:30.189 and we put it in an animal and they got sick, we would basically be doing virology and I wouldn't know what was making the animal sick, but it would work. 02:32:30.909 --> 02:32:45.676 And the point is that we need to get academic biologists to see that what they do on the bench with all these controls and with all these, you know, reviewers saying, hey, you got to do this and hey, you got to do that. 02:32:46.036 --> 02:32:47.377 Virology doesn't do any of that. 02:32:48.086 --> 02:32:54.089 Virology just works under the assumption that if we put this DNA on there, and we say it came from the bat, so this is it. 02:32:54.529 --> 02:32:58.391 We can make this DNA because it's just easier and faster because technology is so great. 02:32:58.951 --> 02:33:08.835 They have excused the use of these synthetic clones and said that this transfection represents the virology that we've never been able to substantiate for the last 20 years. 02:33:11.095 --> 02:33:33.205 The important thing to be able to enunciate to a thinking and entrenched academic biologist is not to say that there are no viruses, because it's too easy for them to dismiss that out of hand, even though technically speaking, it's pretty close to the mark. 02:33:33.993 --> 02:33:35.454 You got to walk somebody there. 02:33:35.514 --> 02:33:42.637 And I feel as though after four years, it's almost got to be disingenuous that nobody tried to walk me there. 02:33:43.297 --> 02:33:49.039 That nobody tried to get me to think about this stuff, but instead made it so antagonistic. 02:33:49.079 --> 02:33:55.862 And that's why I went back there before where I feel like I could have been here earlier if anybody would have taken the time to say, Jay, you're wrong. 02:33:55.902 --> 02:33:57.323 Let me just listen for a second. 02:33:58.513 --> 02:33:59.133 And they didn't. 02:33:59.253 --> 02:34:09.537 And in fact, a lot of people tried to get in touch with me and make sure that I never took any of these people even remotely seriously and doubled down on viruses and gain of function and, oh, you got to solve the lab leak. 02:34:10.097 --> 02:34:16.940 And so it is this concert of influence that leads me to believe that it's worth mentioning. 02:34:17.000 --> 02:34:22.982 Because the no virus position in the time of AIDS, as represented by David Resnick or 02:34:24.264 --> 02:34:29.890 or, I can't come up with the other guy's name off the top of my head, he just recently had a stroke. 02:34:30.631 --> 02:34:33.994 These guys are, Duesberg, these guys are... 02:34:36.698 --> 02:34:38.439 I want to be their contemporary now. 02:34:38.500 --> 02:34:53.511 I want to go to them and say humbly, look, dude, I came to the conclusion, I know I'm late, but let me help you get this information out, because they were already fighting the first wave of this illusion, which has been piled on over these many, many years. 02:34:53.932 --> 02:35:03.139 And I feel like we need to be, well, at least I feel like a calling to try and save these academic biologists, if only because I was there. 02:35:03.219 --> 02:35:04.080 I know exactly 02:35:04.800 --> 02:35:05.820 where they're trapped. 02:35:06.381 --> 02:35:08.601 I'm keenly aware of the cave they're in. 02:35:08.641 --> 02:35:09.542 Let's put it that way. 02:35:09.682 --> 02:35:14.964 That's what I see inside of your mind, I guess, from an external perspective. 02:35:14.984 --> 02:35:18.485 And that's why I appreciate your contribution and what you're trying to do there. 02:35:18.885 --> 02:35:21.586 But to remain focused again on the point 02:35:22.126 --> 02:35:23.627 Let me ask you another question. 02:35:23.787 --> 02:35:31.873 So you've said earlier, like when you kind of got a little bit more emotional there, that you were tired, basically repeating your position. 02:35:31.913 --> 02:35:39.398 And I'm sorry that I have to ask you again, but that the first clone, again, is from the keyboard, as you said, right? 02:35:39.478 --> 02:35:45.021 So that, again, is the same thing as the no-virus people in a general way, right? 02:35:45.882 --> 02:35:48.544 But once you have these clones, 02:35:49.658 --> 02:36:17.953 So another point, once you have the clones, wherever they come from, any computer program or metagenomics or whatever, is there a different way that this entity, this created entity is used or was used according to you in the last four years that brought something to our collective experience that would not have been there were these infectious clones not real? 02:36:18.743 --> 02:36:19.003 Sure. 02:36:19.083 --> 02:36:22.066 So, it's mostly a possibility space. 02:36:22.126 --> 02:36:25.569 So, again, remember the argument that might be denied. 02:36:25.589 --> 02:36:39.302 Before you answer that, JJ, because I guess the point from the no-virus people that has kept them in their position maybe, I guess, a little bit in the front to you is that 02:36:40.828 --> 02:36:54.669 whatever he says if it's right that these infectious clones exist or are created in cell cultures or whatever it doesn't change what we're seeing here at all and it doesn't impact the reality of pandemics at all because it's still not 02:36:55.658 --> 02:36:58.719 a viral particle as we understand it to be. 02:36:59.399 --> 02:37:03.899 So I guess what they're saying is like, we're together as well in that. 02:37:04.160 --> 02:37:15.322 So if you bring the infectious clones, what is the real life impact of that that makes us see the science differently or the experience differently than if your infectious clones were not there? 02:37:16.002 --> 02:37:23.383 There are, I'm not sure how many virologists there are that work on RNA viruses, but I guess there are a few. 02:37:24.608 --> 02:37:51.074 And all of these people are basically fooled by this same idea, the same idea that you can make a synthetic sequence and put it on a cell culture, and you have basically jump-started your virology experiment at a reproducible, high-fidelity starting point, which is what all of these academic biologists have trained to try and design into their experiments. 02:37:51.154 --> 02:37:53.295 My whole point with patch-clamp physiology 02:37:53.815 --> 02:37:57.996 is that I can record from neurons and record pico-amp level recordings. 02:37:58.176 --> 02:38:03.678 And so this is very fine detail of the electrical signals, the ionic signals that are moving in and out of a neuron. 02:38:04.078 --> 02:38:21.144 And so if I apply a pharmacon, a drug to that neuron, and those signals change, and then I apply an antagonist to that, then those signals change in a predictable way again, you can start to trick yourself into believing you have some understanding of the proteins that are working underneath those signals. 02:38:21.684 --> 02:38:26.067 Now, with virology, there's no standard at that level. 02:38:26.328 --> 02:38:27.669 It's not like that at all. 02:38:27.849 --> 02:38:32.072 And so, you really have a... I'm sort of losing my train of thought. 02:38:32.112 --> 02:38:32.732 I apologize. 02:38:32.752 --> 02:38:34.394 Just tell me again what... Yeah. 02:38:34.934 --> 02:38:40.298 So, basically, what I wanted to know from you is how does... Oh, the new thing. 02:38:40.318 --> 02:38:40.498 Yes. 02:38:40.618 --> 02:38:40.838 Okay. 02:38:40.858 --> 02:38:41.979 So, yeah, I got it. 02:38:42.339 --> 02:38:45.222 So, in real life, how does it affect reality? 02:38:45.262 --> 02:38:45.462 Yeah. 02:38:45.662 --> 02:38:49.705 And how does it contradict, basically, the position of the no-virus position? 02:38:49.745 --> 02:38:50.886 Because from their perspective, 02:38:51.426 --> 02:38:52.347 I said I got it. 02:38:52.407 --> 02:38:59.493 So do you think it's legitimate for me to tell you that everything you believe is wrong, but then not to substantiate it at all? 02:39:19.587 --> 02:39:25.811 Like, if I just start with that and say, you know, everything, Gabe, that you believe is wrong, and then not say, you just have to accept it. 02:39:25.991 --> 02:39:27.092 Otherwise, I don't want to talk to you. 02:39:28.251 --> 02:39:29.491 because that's their strategy. 02:39:30.171 --> 02:39:33.712 They don't want to explain to biologists what the misnomer is. 02:39:33.732 --> 02:39:37.913 They don't want to explain to other biologists what the misconception is. 02:39:38.493 --> 02:39:43.235 They want to show you that isolation doesn't happen or that virology means something else. 02:39:43.855 --> 02:39:51.997 And from the perspective of other academics, it's a lot of times sufficient for them to hear that, well, virology doesn't mean isolation like I mean it. 02:39:52.017 --> 02:39:53.477 That's fine. 02:39:53.617 --> 02:39:56.878 And they don't mean culture like we say culture, but that's fine. 02:39:57.623 --> 02:40:11.512 And that leaves everybody with a very easy out to just dismiss that their understanding is so un-nuanced that they can't explain it to me better than that, then I'm not even gonna take them seriously. 02:40:11.572 --> 02:40:12.673 That's where I was left. 02:40:13.674 --> 02:40:17.816 And so the problem with, here's with clones. 02:40:17.916 --> 02:40:20.618 And there's millions of people out there that weren't either, right? 02:40:20.658 --> 02:40:23.480 So once we understand the arguments that they were brought forward by them, 02:40:24.460 --> 02:40:30.521 For me, it clicked with other things that are already new and it actually brought me overboard. 02:40:30.882 --> 02:40:39.024 It brought me into a new understanding, a new paradigm very quickly through the terrain theory as well, because without the terrain part, it's difficult to go there. 02:40:39.224 --> 02:40:41.704 I mean, just give me one example. 02:40:42.044 --> 02:40:48.866 If they would have told me in 2020 or in 2021, for example, there's that, everything that we've told you. 02:40:48.966 --> 02:40:53.307 Plus, if you add as well the infectious clones thing, it 02:40:54.761 --> 02:40:55.742 These are the consequences. 02:40:55.802 --> 02:41:03.386 These are what happens, and this is why the pandemic was different because of the reason or the mechanism of the infectious clones. 02:41:03.626 --> 02:41:04.867 So what do they do, these clones? 02:41:05.527 --> 02:41:07.828 What's the importance of these clones in reality? 02:41:08.689 --> 02:41:09.409 In reality? 02:41:09.689 --> 02:41:13.211 I mean, how many different ways should I say it? 02:41:15.992 --> 02:41:22.596 Well, I understand the impact that they have in technology, right, in what you're saying, but in the pandemic, 02:41:23.266 --> 02:41:32.073 the reality of life in medicine, I guess, or in health. 02:41:32.133 --> 02:41:34.335 I'm trying to understand really what you're missing. 02:41:38.898 --> 02:41:40.099 I mean, you understand that 02:41:41.903 --> 02:41:47.147 If you don't call it... Are you saying, for example, what did they do with the clones that you're talking about? 02:41:47.228 --> 02:41:48.529 I'm not saying what they did. 02:41:49.029 --> 02:41:49.850 It's a crime scene. 02:41:50.370 --> 02:41:57.056 I'm telling you that there are lots of ways for the virology, for example, of the Sohomish County man. 02:41:57.096 --> 02:41:58.077 Are you familiar with him? 02:41:58.757 --> 02:42:02.400 The Sohomish County man is the first case in Washington State in the United States. 02:42:02.680 --> 02:42:06.863 And it's actually the, they took his virus and cultured it. 02:42:06.923 --> 02:42:17.671 And supposedly when the CDC distributes sequences or the virus from Wuhan, they distribute a cultured virus derived from him. 02:42:18.391 --> 02:42:26.215 Still, four years later, if you go on the CDC website and you order the Sohomish County man virus, their guests, they're going to send you something. 02:42:26.255 --> 02:42:32.698 They claim that they are culturing and sustaining and distributing for the last four years. 02:42:33.098 --> 02:42:36.660 And that's absolutely positively biologically ridiculous. 02:42:37.900 --> 02:42:39.021 They can't do that. 02:42:39.461 --> 02:42:40.241 They can't do that. 02:42:40.802 --> 02:42:45.544 And the only way that they can do it, especially down to a pure sequence, is to have made it. 02:42:46.420 --> 02:43:00.726 So what I'm suggesting and what people don't see is that there is a, they refuse to hear it, is that there is an illusion that needed to be created in order for billions of people to behave so stupid. 02:43:01.287 --> 02:43:06.209 It is not as simple as getting a bunch of people to go on social media and agree. 02:43:07.109 --> 02:43:09.090 It had to be more complicated than that. 02:43:09.270 --> 02:43:10.691 And if you understand 02:43:11.499 --> 02:43:27.408 that every pharmaceutical company that had any manufacturing capabilities at all in the biologics space was capable of making liters and liters of relatively pure DNA or RNA in their vats because they can make antibodies. 02:43:27.448 --> 02:43:32.211 Therefore, they have the capability of making the DNA or the RNA that leads to the antibodies. 02:43:32.271 --> 02:43:37.254 They can do all this stuff in bacteria, the same way they made the RNA for the shots. 02:43:38.160 --> 02:43:54.458 Now, if you understand that PCR works, and you understand that PCR works well, and you understand that they can make for cheap, like they brag about it for the last 10 years about how cheap it is to make DNA and how cheap it is to sequence. 02:43:55.484 --> 02:43:59.265 And all you need to get a PCR positive is for that DNA to be present. 02:43:59.285 --> 02:44:00.566 DNA is not infectious. 02:44:00.606 --> 02:44:01.746 DNA is not dangerous. 02:44:01.786 --> 02:44:02.927 DNA is very stable. 02:44:03.327 --> 02:44:08.729 If you got a bunch of DNA from somewhere in your lungs, you wouldn't just go into cardiac arrest or something. 02:44:08.769 --> 02:44:10.910 Your body would just store it in the mucus. 02:44:10.930 --> 02:44:11.630 You'd cough it out. 02:44:11.650 --> 02:44:12.630 You'd probably never notice. 02:44:13.190 --> 02:44:22.274 But if you PCR swabbed somebody who had been laced with that DNA or with that infectious, cloned, viral, 02:44:23.316 --> 02:44:25.496 sequence, then it would have been... Where did it come from? 02:44:26.599 --> 02:44:29.100 A laboratory, it's a fricking fake. 02:44:29.800 --> 02:44:30.960 How many times? 02:44:31.381 --> 02:44:43.665 Is it impossible not to understand that the biosecurity state needed everyone in academia, everyone in the bureaucracy, everyone at home, everyone working at a gas station to believe that a pandemic occurred. 02:44:44.085 --> 02:44:47.826 And so that means you need to create a real illusion of consensus. 02:44:48.206 --> 02:44:51.327 And it doesn't mean that virology has to exist. 02:44:51.407 --> 02:44:53.288 It means that transfection works 02:44:53.928 --> 02:44:56.153 and that PCR can find DNA. 02:44:57.529 --> 02:45:00.570 If you don't believe that stuff, then you really are lost. 02:45:00.630 --> 02:45:08.531 And I think a lot of times, these no-virus people have taken the false route of saying, oh, they just over-cycled the PCR. 02:45:08.571 --> 02:45:13.212 That's an absolute, ridiculously, un-nuanced argument. 02:45:13.232 --> 02:45:15.632 It has nothing to do with PCR cycle. 02:45:15.812 --> 02:45:16.772 That's a different argument. 02:45:16.972 --> 02:45:26.594 So I guess, let me know if I get correctly what you just said, is that your position with the infectious clones has to come a little bit 02:45:27.494 --> 02:45:33.440 and meshed with the whole biological kind of labs or bioweapon thing. 02:45:33.720 --> 02:45:45.411 So these clones, in order for people to find them through the PCR test inside of the people, these sequences that they've cloned, they have to be brought into the people in one way or another. 02:45:45.871 --> 02:45:46.412 Only one? 02:45:47.898 --> 02:45:53.883 That's the part you guys just don't seem to want to lock into and that they've bamboozled you into not seeing it. 02:45:53.923 --> 02:45:57.066 There's only three cases in the world where they sequenced anything. 02:45:57.847 --> 02:46:00.829 Those are the only three cases where that sequence had to be present. 02:46:00.849 --> 02:46:04.032 Everything else was bullshit because they only did a PCR primer test. 02:46:05.171 --> 02:46:15.375 And so I don't understand how it's taken four years for people to realize that for four years I've been saying that the only case that needed to be faked in America was the one guy that we don't even know his name. 02:46:15.815 --> 02:46:16.695 He's already gone. 02:46:17.055 --> 02:46:23.498 And yet, interestingly enough, the sequence that we got, confirmed Wuhan sequence, was in this one Chinese guy. 02:46:23.858 --> 02:46:31.881 We modeled all, all, all of the spike proteins in all of the mRNA products after this one guy's sequence. 02:46:32.381 --> 02:46:38.605 And the virus that we're supposedly distributing for the last four years is derived from this guy's virus. 02:46:39.105 --> 02:46:49.551 And I've been trying to say for four years that this is the ultimate evidence that infectious clones were used because it's the exact same sequence that they reported in these other places. 02:46:49.951 --> 02:46:56.015 And you understand, please, please understand, a teaspoon of that DNA 02:46:56.875 --> 02:47:03.162 that was made by the leader, by all of these companies that were manufacturing the RNA for the spike protein. 02:47:03.562 --> 02:47:16.636 If you wanted to PCR test for the RNA of the spike protein and you had a DNA, because they always have to make the DNA before they make the RNA, and you had that DNA of that spike protein and you only had a teaspoon of it, 02:47:17.230 --> 02:47:17.970 but it was pure. 02:47:18.370 --> 02:47:25.973 That would be enough to put a absolutely fire-hot PCR test anywhere and everywhere you wanted it in the world. 02:47:26.374 --> 02:47:33.396 You could have put it in several people in Italy, several people in Iran, several people in Wuhan, several people in America. 02:47:33.416 --> 02:47:35.137 They would have all found the same sequence. 02:47:35.577 --> 02:47:37.318 It would have all briefly 02:47:38.078 --> 02:47:47.781 probably caused a little cytopathic effect if you'd have put it on there because the DNA would do that, the whatever, and they would say, oh my gosh, look what we sequenced. 02:47:48.181 --> 02:47:53.063 And they would have put the DNA there, they would have claimed to have found it, and how many liars would it take? 02:47:53.083 --> 02:47:53.143 Two? 02:47:54.204 --> 02:48:02.647 Maybe three and then two of those liars don't even have to know they're lying because they're trying to climb the tenure track ladder and they think the pandemic is going to make their career. 02:48:03.027 --> 02:48:04.967 And now the story in Seattle is set. 02:48:05.267 --> 02:48:09.009 And now everybody in the world has to accept that the CDC has the sample. 02:48:09.369 --> 02:48:12.850 And this is the sample that we're going to make all of the therapeutics from. 02:48:13.931 --> 02:48:22.216 And the way that they did it is the simple methodology that they've always used to start every fricking experiment that's worth its salt. 02:48:22.736 --> 02:48:35.643 Even the experiments that are cited as the gain of function experiments in 2015, where they took one SARS and put it with another, it's all just synthetic DNA that they put on a cell culture and said they were culturing viruses. 02:48:36.063 --> 02:48:39.005 And I have been saying this consistently for four years, 02:48:39.585 --> 02:48:44.246 And no one is being genuine about acknowledging that. 02:48:44.286 --> 02:48:48.927 They're all pretending that, oh, Jonathan thinks there's viruses and Jonathan, Jonathan, Jonathan. 02:48:49.307 --> 02:48:50.388 And this is terrible. 02:48:50.868 --> 02:48:52.828 That's why we are here in 2024. 02:48:52.968 --> 02:48:57.669 That's why- I'm trying to go beyond that. 02:48:58.009 --> 02:49:00.350 That's the reason actually that I wanted to have this conversation. 02:49:00.390 --> 02:49:03.491 And I thank you for getting back there with me. 02:49:04.231 --> 02:49:08.932 So just to maybe ask you a last question here, if I boil it down to another point, 02:49:09.432 --> 02:49:17.323 further along that route and the other counter-argument that will be that I'm sure you can explain it quickly is 02:49:18.311 --> 02:49:30.722 from their perspective, the no virus perspective, the first genome, the first sequence was made up actually from a bunch of different, like actually millions of sequences that were brought up in the first patients. 02:49:31.243 --> 02:49:38.349 And then this sequence was made up, but was not actually transferred into reality, right? 02:49:40.211 --> 02:49:54.515 So if I understand correctly, the person in the US, for example, which would have been hypothetically infected with the infectious clone, that clone, was it based on the sequence from the zoo paper? 02:49:55.156 --> 02:49:56.836 Is that what you're saying? 02:49:57.016 --> 02:50:09.000 I'm saying that if you're sophisticated enough to understand their virology, if there was an infectious clone present in Wuhan and then you used metagenomic sequencing, 02:50:09.716 --> 02:50:17.401 the odds of you having a consensus sequence that would be right on, dead on balls accurate for the clone is extremely high. 02:50:18.002 --> 02:50:34.553 So even though they showed you this metagenomic sequencing of all these different, you know, little bits and fragments, and then they say they went down and they made an average sequence, the average sequence only showed up as loud as it did, in my humble opinion, because it was generated from a very pure exposure to begin with. 02:50:34.593 --> 02:50:36.614 It doesn't need to be this way. 02:50:37.134 --> 02:50:38.936 What I need you to hear 02:50:39.796 --> 02:50:44.400 is that I've never defended virology using these arguments. 02:50:44.440 --> 02:51:00.755 What I am defending is the idea that a very high fidelity illusion of a molecular pandemic is so capable in the wheelhouse of every technology set that any of these pharmaceutical companies have. 02:51:00.775 --> 02:51:02.237 They can make the large quantities, 02:51:02.890 --> 02:51:05.391 They can package it in liposomes. 02:51:05.932 --> 02:51:07.993 They can distribute it. 02:51:08.553 --> 02:51:10.334 They can do any number of things. 02:51:10.414 --> 02:51:15.496 And if you understand that, for example, I'll give you one from the literature. 02:51:16.117 --> 02:51:24.321 There was a paper, I believe it was from New York State, where they were trying to look at coronavirus using PCR in white-tailed deer. 02:51:25.602 --> 02:51:35.231 And after a long, long data collection process and whatever, they were actually very shocked because so many of these things were positive. 02:51:35.711 --> 02:51:48.222 And it actually turned out, after they did careful controls on the advice of the reviewer, that they actually swabbed the floor of the laboratory and the shelves of the laboratory. 02:51:48.242 --> 02:51:51.645 And it turned out that somehow or another, they had a control 02:51:53.135 --> 02:52:00.160 amplicon, which is a small piece of DNA, which represents the amplicon that you are looking for. 02:52:00.661 --> 02:52:03.983 And so you use that DNA as a control. 02:52:04.143 --> 02:52:06.785 So that comes up at like 10 cycles or something. 02:52:06.845 --> 02:52:13.470 And so you know, okay, so our primers work, and they pull this, this control sample up really fast at like 10 cycles. 02:52:13.950 --> 02:52:14.210 But 02:52:16.092 --> 02:52:24.617 you can learn something then about the concentration of the thing you find in your sample based on, okay, this one comes up at 10, and we know the concentration of that one. 02:52:24.997 --> 02:52:32.682 Then when it comes up from the sample, maybe it's 30, so then we have some quantitative measurement of the transcripts 02:52:34.249 --> 02:52:34.909 presence there. 02:52:35.289 --> 02:52:38.511 My point is that that's all they do. 02:52:38.651 --> 02:52:39.631 That's all they did. 02:52:40.131 --> 02:52:51.735 So this proxy, if it's accepted by all of these people, is a proxy that now they move on with the assumption that the background behind there is there's something to find. 02:52:52.216 --> 02:52:53.396 And this marker 02:52:56.744 --> 02:53:01.370 incidentally, has varied and it varies widely throughout the whole pandemic. 02:53:01.410 --> 02:53:05.995 For example, they were pulling N-protein sometimes, S-protein sometimes. 02:53:06.056 --> 02:53:09.300 And it's, there's a lots of bait and switch that goes on here. 02:53:09.360 --> 02:53:14.646 For example, the S-protein, they want you to believe that the S-protein is this really special thing. 02:53:14.666 --> 02:53:15.187 It's 02:53:15.547 --> 02:53:18.950 only on coronaviruses and we got to talk about it, talk about it, talk about it. 02:53:18.990 --> 02:53:25.915 But in reality, there are lots and lots of these proteins, homologues of these proteins in our body doing all kinds of things. 02:53:26.496 --> 02:53:37.304 And the conserved regions of what they call the viral spike are conserved across a lot of proteins that we ourselves use for signaling and this kind of thing. 02:53:37.364 --> 02:53:41.428 So there is a great distortion that has occurred 02:53:42.208 --> 02:54:01.585 if we are allowed to assume that what the virologists want you to assume is that they're looking at a background that's mostly clean and they don't want you to understand that PCR is so powerful, so powerful, that a very, very tiny fraction of DNA that's so harmless 02:54:02.577 --> 02:54:04.760 can be used as a marker. 02:54:04.941 --> 02:54:15.597 I mean, if they wanted to, they could take a DNA construct with a known sequence and distribute it at the school that my kids go to and the kids would not get sick. 02:54:16.434 --> 02:54:22.538 it would just be on their hands because they put it on the trays of the lunch table because it's DNA. 02:54:22.978 --> 02:54:29.022 And if you had that in high quantity, you could PCR test those kids and it would test hot as fire. 02:54:29.482 --> 02:54:34.946 And it would be that simple to say, holy crap, something's spreading around in my hospital. 02:54:35.006 --> 02:54:35.927 Now imagine 02:54:37.448 --> 02:54:38.769 Just a quick interjection. 02:54:39.430 --> 02:54:44.055 That point that you just said there, that was actually where I was going with my next question. 02:54:44.215 --> 02:54:47.398 The basic chronology, the A, B, C, D steps. 02:54:50.225 --> 02:55:05.123 What you're saying, if I get it, is that the thing that you would put on the hands of the children, which would be in our story for the pandemic, the thing that you put, for example, in the guy or whatever in China and then in the US, has to be pre-existing. 02:55:05.383 --> 02:55:06.604 So I guess... No, it doesn't. 02:55:06.664 --> 02:55:07.646 It just has to be made. 02:55:08.379 --> 02:55:09.300 has to be made, right? 02:55:09.800 --> 02:55:11.061 Pre-existing in the laboratory. 02:55:11.121 --> 02:55:25.452 So before that, you would have to have a previous step of people in the background, just a few people only, creating a sequence, and then creating the DNA and the RNA, and then going somewhere and putting it, whatever, in the water or anything. 02:55:25.772 --> 02:55:29.215 And then you could easily detect it in the first patient. 02:55:29.655 --> 02:55:31.357 And this is made up of nothing. 02:55:32.177 --> 02:55:34.459 I would say it's probably nothing. 02:55:34.499 --> 02:55:35.260 It's not nothing. 02:55:35.320 --> 02:55:35.960 It's not nothing. 02:55:36.020 --> 02:55:37.381 That's another misconception. 02:55:37.421 --> 02:55:38.622 Hold on, hold on, hold on. 02:55:38.642 --> 02:55:39.683 We should stop right here. 02:55:40.043 --> 02:55:41.164 Stop right here, because it's good. 02:55:41.664 --> 02:55:42.125 This is a good place. 02:55:42.145 --> 02:55:43.246 Let me just recite what I was saying. 02:55:43.746 --> 02:55:46.408 I was not saying from nothing, like thin air. 02:55:46.428 --> 02:55:50.972 I was just saying not like a virus, like a viral particle existing in the human body. 02:55:51.232 --> 02:55:52.133 That's just what I was saying. 02:55:52.693 --> 02:55:52.933 Okay? 02:55:52.973 --> 02:55:53.534 Not nothing. 02:55:54.034 --> 02:55:54.274 Okay? 02:55:54.534 --> 02:55:55.535 So I guess... 02:55:57.487 --> 02:55:59.049 It doesn't have to be a part of it. 02:55:59.089 --> 02:56:02.652 Just try not to define it. 02:56:02.873 --> 02:56:08.358 Don't say that the RNA is a particle in the body. 02:56:08.418 --> 02:56:09.619 Don't say any of that. 02:56:09.679 --> 02:56:13.403 Just say that PCR finds molecules. 02:56:13.563 --> 02:56:15.245 We know how PCR does that. 02:56:15.405 --> 02:56:19.189 And if there are all these molecules there, you don't have to define where they're coming from. 02:56:19.229 --> 02:56:20.170 PCR can find them. 02:56:21.838 --> 02:56:23.400 That's the simplicity of it. 02:56:23.440 --> 02:56:32.272 So if you think again, back to the beginning of the talk, that we said and agreed that we don't have any data before 2020 about any of these signals. 02:56:32.492 --> 02:56:32.692 None. 02:56:32.973 --> 02:56:33.453 Zero zip. 02:56:33.493 --> 02:56:36.237 We don't know how the seroprevalence tests would work. 02:56:36.277 --> 02:56:39.321 We don't know how any of the PCR tests that we used in 2020 and 21 would have worked. 02:56:41.202 --> 02:56:42.423 We don't have any data. 02:56:42.823 --> 02:56:51.087 And imagine a scenario where the idea was, and I think this is the idea, where the idea was to convince our children that pandemics are real. 02:56:51.647 --> 02:56:58.431 The way to do it would be to spend the years between the first SARS pandemic and this one characterizing the background. 02:56:59.258 --> 02:57:10.432 roll out PCR tests, the DITRA could be PCR testing for any signals that it wanted to in the background, characterizing all the noise in the background, all of it. 02:57:10.973 --> 02:57:17.901 And now I want you to imagine, if you can, the metaphor of nobody on earth knows that automobiles exist. 02:57:18.732 --> 02:57:19.452 But they exist. 02:57:19.512 --> 02:57:19.953 They're there. 02:57:20.173 --> 02:57:22.354 We use them all the time, but we just don't think about it. 02:57:22.414 --> 02:57:23.054 They're not there. 02:57:23.094 --> 02:57:23.754 We don't see them. 02:57:23.794 --> 02:57:24.835 We don't experience them. 02:57:25.435 --> 02:57:32.718 But then the government was able to accurately characterize everyone's automobile, what they drive, what they own. 02:57:33.338 --> 02:57:41.422 And then, unbeknownst to the public, they would tell you that we have a way of testing whether or not you have an automobile. 02:57:42.045 --> 02:57:46.668 And if you have an automobile, you may be a danger to your grandparents, you might run them over. 02:57:47.208 --> 02:57:52.332 And so they've created an illusion that we're not aware of because we weren't aware we were always driving cars. 02:57:52.932 --> 02:57:56.534 That there's this huge danger that, wow, if I have a car, I could kill my grandparents. 02:57:56.935 --> 02:58:02.018 And so then they gave us a test and we went down to our garage and we tested for rubber wheels. 02:58:02.518 --> 02:58:04.319 And holy shit, everybody's got it. 02:58:04.359 --> 02:58:09.303 No matter where we look and no matter what garage we find rubber wheels, this shit's spreading everywhere. 02:58:10.103 --> 02:58:13.505 And that illusion could be created except we can see cars. 02:58:14.326 --> 02:58:32.338 But if there is this huge, thick background of DNA and RNA signals that's produced by every living thing on the planet, and they have done their best to characterize what signals can be easily pulled out of it, and then in 2020 decided, hey, guys, there's something spreading. 02:58:32.478 --> 02:58:32.818 Check it. 02:58:32.858 --> 02:58:33.759 We can suss for it. 02:58:35.723 --> 02:58:59.307 Now, imagine if that could be augmented by a couple of super positive examples because they use synthetic infectious, don't call it infectious, they use synthetic cloned molecules to make sure that the signal that they wanted to tell you was spreading was found, knowing that they know the background so that they can say, okay, now we're going to change the primers because 02:58:59.847 --> 02:59:00.668 Delta is spreading. 02:59:00.688 --> 02:59:03.611 Now we're going to change the primers because Omicron is spreading. 02:59:03.651 --> 02:59:10.898 And now they're just going through their background catalog of signals they know are there and telling us that's the ongoing evolution of a virus. 02:59:11.258 --> 02:59:21.649 And before you know it, four years later, we've been arguing about no virus or virus, and we've been arguing about lab leak or natural virus, and we've accepted the fact that there's something out there. 02:59:22.850 --> 02:59:32.016 And in reality, there are methodologies which can explain why these things work the way they do, why virologists have been fooled. 02:59:32.457 --> 02:59:41.663 And if we were good enough at walking people out of this cave, we could wake up hundreds of thousands of people to this illusion. 02:59:41.723 --> 02:59:48.768 I believe that if we didn't just start with, you have to accept that there are no viruses, because I don't think that's nuanced enough. 02:59:49.437 --> 02:59:57.464 Well, I think that there's already hundreds of thousands of people that have been woken up by the no-virus group, so that's one thing, but that doesn't invalidate what you just said. 02:59:57.564 --> 03:00:01.307 Are they woken up in a way that allows them to act effectively, though? 03:00:01.347 --> 03:00:07.052 Or have they been woken up just to the stage where they don't have any message to communicate to anybody? 03:00:07.592 --> 03:00:08.693 Because that's the problem. 03:00:08.814 --> 03:00:12.077 I believe the impact is very positive and very concrete. 03:00:12.318 --> 03:00:12.838 I hope so. 03:00:13.639 --> 03:00:15.902 And it's about mostly the fear, right? 03:00:15.962 --> 03:00:19.947 So it's about not living in fear of infectious particles out there. 03:00:20.207 --> 03:00:21.509 So that would be the main argument. 03:00:21.849 --> 03:00:24.953 But just before that, just to finish on the point, 03:00:25.513 --> 03:00:47.951 the amplification signal that you're talking about which would be amplified through the clones before in order to give the impression firstly that you have a new signal and then bringing about the pandemic machine I guess so that amplification would basically would come from the infectious clone 03:00:48.696 --> 03:01:02.651 And I guess the question that I would end with to close that discussion, that would probably be a question that the no virus people will ask you is, probably you're tired of hearing it, but was there any evidence that this is done? 03:01:02.671 --> 03:01:07.536 And for the particular pandemic in itself, is there a way to show 03:01:08.542 --> 03:01:18.451 that for this pandemic, there was that infectious clone and that it was used as a boosting signal, or I guess, because I guess we're basically in a hypothesis land, right? 03:01:19.131 --> 03:01:34.445 I think that that's one of the reasons why the no virus position is so important, because there is a, I got to think about this carefully. 03:01:36.820 --> 03:01:43.182 Because from how I see it, they're trying to remain as rigorous as they can to the scientific literature. 03:01:43.622 --> 03:01:49.505 So they're always trying to base their claims on what can be shown. 03:01:49.525 --> 03:01:51.425 And so what do you propose that I'm doing? 03:01:52.866 --> 03:01:58.668 No, you too as well, but I'm going for the amplification signal, right? 03:01:59.124 --> 03:02:02.266 So that would be, what is the, is there any? 03:02:02.326 --> 03:02:05.689 I'm still, I think you're actually still not understanding it. 03:02:05.769 --> 03:02:06.789 It's very, very simple. 03:02:09.491 --> 03:02:19.558 Are we at the stage now where we're not arguing about the fact that there are industrial ways to make large quantities of a relatively pure DNA or RNA molecule? 03:02:20.299 --> 03:02:20.419 No. 03:02:20.479 --> 03:02:20.939 No, right? 03:02:21.280 --> 03:02:22.541 Just like we can make a book, right? 03:02:22.561 --> 03:02:23.101 That makes sense. 03:02:23.121 --> 03:02:23.661 That's simple. 03:02:23.962 --> 03:02:24.102 Yeah. 03:02:24.222 --> 03:02:26.203 And we can make lots of copies of a book, right? 03:02:27.024 --> 03:02:27.264 Right. 03:02:27.384 --> 03:02:28.645 So if I take this book, 03:02:30.359 --> 03:02:31.200 and I put it somewhere. 03:02:31.220 --> 03:02:31.800 No, I understand. 03:02:31.840 --> 03:02:33.241 I understand the mechanism. 03:02:33.261 --> 03:02:44.069 I'm just trying to ask you what I guess someone like Tom Cowan would tell you at that point is, well, can you show to me anywhere that this happened at the beginning of the pandemic in 2020? 03:02:44.169 --> 03:02:51.074 But that's like saying, that's really strange because I don't, can he show that it hasn't? 03:02:52.683 --> 03:02:55.525 Can He show that these molecular signals were not found? 03:02:56.085 --> 03:02:59.086 Can He show that these primers are not amplifying anything? 03:02:59.687 --> 03:03:00.507 Can He show? 03:03:01.007 --> 03:03:03.288 Because that's the counter argument. 03:03:03.429 --> 03:03:04.769 I'm saying that it's fake. 03:03:05.310 --> 03:03:07.531 I'm saying that they have tricked us into believing. 03:03:08.591 --> 03:03:10.633 RNA can go around the world and it can't. 03:03:11.074 --> 03:03:17.480 And these messages are very precise and actually are very complementary to their stance. 03:03:17.740 --> 03:03:24.826 And so if you take the position of Tom Cowan, I'm sorry, but that's the wrong name to drop because 03:03:25.427 --> 03:03:47.182 His discussions about ionic currents and this kind of thing have totally undermined his stance and his seemingly razor-sharp intellect with regard to virology because his discussions about ionic currents and ion channels and the way that cell membranes work is just wholly unfounded. 03:03:47.282 --> 03:03:50.504 And he's suggesting that now biophysics isn't real. 03:03:50.904 --> 03:03:55.367 There's a difference between saying virology is an illusion and biophysics isn't real. 03:03:55.407 --> 03:04:09.223 I think what he would, I can't speak for him, but I think what that place is saying is that it's not that biophysics isn't real, is that we've got a picture of biophysics and it works differently than what we thought before. 03:04:09.364 --> 03:04:11.967 He has actually said there are no ion channels. 03:04:12.734 --> 03:04:16.057 So you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't. 03:04:16.317 --> 03:04:19.240 Potassium, potassium channel inside the membrane. 03:04:19.280 --> 03:04:21.182 Yeah, but that's, that's, that's ridiculous. 03:04:21.703 --> 03:04:24.345 I'm sorry, but that's, it's not possibly. 03:04:24.445 --> 03:04:27.008 See, this is where, this is where I get frustrated. 03:04:27.128 --> 03:04:37.538 I have spent, I have spent 25 years becoming a sophisticated biologist and now I'm trying to shed the cloth and accurately describe what 03:04:38.238 --> 03:04:53.597 I now believe as ridiculous biology and at the same time try to prevent people from throwing out the 200 plus years of work that we have done to painstakingly try to understand a little part of nature and the idea that this man 03:04:54.338 --> 03:05:12.785 has enunciated that there are no ion channels suggests that a lot of the best experiments that have ever been done in biology are false and that these are the best of the best experiments that have ever been done are the experiments that have been done on ion channels and on ion fluctuation controlled by ion channels. 03:05:13.185 --> 03:05:19.287 They've done it in the most rigorous examples of biological experiments that there are that include 03:05:19.887 --> 03:05:27.989 intimate mathematical descriptions and models which make predictions that come true even at the single channel level. 03:05:28.089 --> 03:05:30.589 And I've done the experiments to confirm these things. 03:05:31.009 --> 03:05:32.850 So the concept... Can you see them? 03:05:32.930 --> 03:05:33.770 Can you see the channels? 03:05:34.010 --> 03:05:36.070 The individual channels in the membrane? 03:05:36.090 --> 03:05:36.890 Oh my God. 03:05:36.950 --> 03:05:37.630 I'm just asking. 03:05:37.710 --> 03:05:38.211 I'm just asking. 03:05:38.251 --> 03:05:39.871 That's a very genuine question. 03:05:40.171 --> 03:05:42.831 Can you see them in the... How do you see atoms? 03:05:42.911 --> 03:05:45.392 How do you think... What is going on? 03:05:45.492 --> 03:05:45.712 I mean... 03:05:46.212 --> 03:05:48.913 You really don't think that any of this stuff has been done? 03:05:48.993 --> 03:05:50.753 You really honestly believe that? 03:05:50.913 --> 03:05:55.795 That's how badly they have contaminated you. 03:05:56.115 --> 03:05:58.516 Because you just brought me into a whole different territory there. 03:05:58.556 --> 03:06:04.957 But it's not a whole different territory because when you say that viruses... Are you talking about the credibility of Tom Cowan, right? 03:06:05.017 --> 03:06:06.598 And my point was not about Cowan. 03:06:06.858 --> 03:06:10.319 It's about the credibility of anybody that says no viruses. 03:06:10.399 --> 03:06:13.900 If you say there are no viruses, then it is just like you think. 03:06:14.580 --> 03:06:26.050 that it's very much the onus on me to explain how infectious clones were used, and I have to come up with the exact details of how it's done, or whatever, besides saying... You're claiming something. 03:06:26.431 --> 03:06:29.393 You're getting into the whole scientific method. 03:06:29.493 --> 03:06:30.934 You're lost in their trap, man. 03:06:30.975 --> 03:06:34.097 I'm sorry, but I don't have to explain anything to say that it's fake. 03:06:34.117 --> 03:06:35.458 You don't have to if you don't want to. 03:06:35.959 --> 03:06:38.902 But if you're claiming that's true, it's true. 03:06:40.826 --> 03:06:45.333 It's about the onus being on the people that say there's a pandemic to explain it. 03:06:45.774 --> 03:06:46.976 That's the whole point. 03:06:48.638 --> 03:06:49.921 So why attack me? 03:06:50.782 --> 03:06:52.244 Why make me explain it? 03:06:53.325 --> 03:06:57.327 Well, because you're not claiming the same thing that the pandemic people are claiming. 03:06:57.367 --> 03:06:58.527 You're claiming something different. 03:06:58.827 --> 03:07:03.129 You're claiming that your infectious clones are used as a... No, I'm not. 03:07:03.269 --> 03:07:05.090 Stop putting those words in my mouth. 03:07:05.270 --> 03:07:14.414 I'm suggesting to you that there is molecular biological methodologies that can very parsimoniously explain how a false signal could be created. 03:07:15.154 --> 03:07:26.858 I'm suggesting to you that there's a very good molecular biological explanation for how many, many virologists are fooling themselves into believing what they do constitutes virology. 03:07:27.218 --> 03:07:37.261 And I've been trying very hard to explain the subtleties of this at a high enough level so that academic biologists can't just shrug their shoulders and say, oh, this guy's a clown. 03:07:37.901 --> 03:07:52.474 Because that's what happens when Tom Cowan argues about all these things, and I'm really smart, I'm really smart, and the coronavirus people, they're all lying, and Mr. Cooey is false, and then he jumps over and says that biophysics is fake. 03:07:54.352 --> 03:08:01.555 It's just ridiculous, and does not see how disingenuous that has to be. 03:08:01.876 --> 03:08:18.504 There's no possible way that he can think that it's okay to apply his rigorous analysis to virology and then not apply it to the biophysics of ion channels, because he's lying then, because he hasn't looked at those papers with enough scrutiny to tell me why aren't there ion channels. 03:08:18.544 --> 03:08:23.166 He's never bothered to say that, because he can't, because that's a lie. 03:08:23.706 --> 03:08:46.721 And it's really frustrating, because with all the work that they've spent disproving virology, he's actually spent zero time disproving a much broader and much more expansive field of biology, which is protein dynamics, and ion channels, and signaling mechanisms, and G-protein coupled receptors, and this concept 03:08:47.421 --> 03:08:57.206 is not the dismissal of all of the molecular biology that we have because there are no viruses is exactly the trap that these people represent. 03:08:58.251 --> 03:08:58.511 Okay. 03:08:58.872 --> 03:09:03.035 Well, I can understand that perception. 03:09:03.095 --> 03:09:04.836 And actually, I don't think it's invalid. 03:09:04.897 --> 03:09:06.238 I think that's a good analysis. 03:09:06.258 --> 03:09:12.843 That's an interesting analysis that would probably reveal itself to be false or true in the future, right? 03:09:13.744 --> 03:09:24.473 And just to conclude that, so if I get correctly what you just said at the end, just to make sure that you understand me, JJ, I do not want to put words in your mouth. 03:09:25.418 --> 03:09:25.738 at all. 03:09:26.719 --> 03:09:29.864 I'm not trying to make you say something that you do not believe in at all. 03:09:30.225 --> 03:09:39.459 I'm just really trying to make sure I understood correctly or to the best of my own limited capacity what you were claiming since the past six months to a couple of years. 03:09:40.740 --> 03:09:46.423 So you're just basically not claiming at all that this signal was used during the pandemic. 03:09:46.603 --> 03:09:56.027 That's your hypothesis that it could be used to amplify stuff, but you've never stated that it's been used and that there's a way to show it or prove it there. 03:09:56.727 --> 03:09:56.887 Right? 03:09:56.907 --> 03:10:00.189 So you just provide basically the molecular mechanism. 03:10:00.629 --> 03:10:02.150 I'm not providing molecular mechanism. 03:10:02.190 --> 03:10:08.593 I'm providing a much, much more parsimonious explanation for the vast majority of the lie. 03:10:09.611 --> 03:10:12.614 And the parsimonious explanation is that there are no viruses. 03:10:12.674 --> 03:10:14.556 That's not a parsimonious explanation. 03:10:15.337 --> 03:10:19.981 And saying that they don't isolate or don't purify viruses is not a parsimonious explanation. 03:10:20.021 --> 03:10:21.483 It doesn't get anywhere. 03:10:21.523 --> 03:10:22.163 It's a hamster wheel. 03:10:25.595 --> 03:10:26.576 I'm sorry, but it is. 03:10:26.776 --> 03:10:29.598 And it's the exact game that they wanted us to play. 03:10:29.678 --> 03:10:31.259 It's exactly why they were there. 03:10:31.659 --> 03:10:39.564 It's exactly why there's a photograph of Andrew Kaufman shaking the hands of Andrew Cuomo in 2019. 03:10:40.024 --> 03:10:45.608 Because these people, some of them are good, and some of them are being sabotaged. 03:10:45.948 --> 03:10:50.691 And collectively, that has led to the no virus position effectively not saving anybody. 03:10:51.434 --> 03:10:53.715 The ones that it saved were gonna be saved already. 03:10:54.256 --> 03:10:59.119 Anybody that bought on to the idea that there was no viruses was not gonna take the shot to begin with anyway. 03:10:59.139 --> 03:11:00.900 That didn't save anyone from the shot. 03:11:01.540 --> 03:11:16.170 And in fact, I think the ludicrous stance of there being no viruses has led to a lot more people taking the shot because they've never considered the possibility that the biosecurity state and the CDC and all the people 03:11:16.630 --> 03:11:23.577 All the weaponized piles of money that make infinite amounts of money on the childhood vaccine schedule in the United States would have any onus to lie about it. 03:11:24.329 --> 03:11:30.132 because that message is not front and center of any of these people. 03:11:30.192 --> 03:11:33.254 And that's where I feel like I am completely different. 03:11:33.314 --> 03:11:38.736 I don't say in the start of my stream ever that infectious clones are what they did. 03:11:38.776 --> 03:11:44.559 What I say is that intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb. 03:11:44.579 --> 03:11:50.803 Say transfection in healthy humans is criminally negligent because hundreds of thousands of biologists should have known. 03:11:51.183 --> 03:11:53.224 And I say that RNA cannot pandemic. 03:11:53.624 --> 03:12:01.490 Other than that, the beauty of that is that you don't have to get in a debate about whether viruses exist with an academic biologist. 03:12:01.510 --> 03:12:03.472 You just have to challenge them to think about it a minute. 03:12:03.492 --> 03:12:03.872 Wait, what? 03:12:04.073 --> 03:12:05.594 RNA can't pandemic. 03:12:05.654 --> 03:12:06.975 Wait, why would that be? 03:12:07.015 --> 03:12:09.677 Well, that's because we don't copy RNA the same ways. 03:12:09.857 --> 03:12:12.379 Oh, wait, maybe that's an interesting idea. 03:12:12.840 --> 03:12:16.863 And now if they end up thinking that there are no viruses, we've saved somebody. 03:12:16.923 --> 03:12:22.007 But if you start with no viruses and it gives so many people an easy way to dismiss it, 03:12:24.420 --> 03:12:24.820 We'll see. 03:12:25.041 --> 03:12:26.121 We'll see what happens. 03:12:26.141 --> 03:12:26.602 We'll see. 03:12:27.082 --> 03:12:28.824 We'll see in the future what's going on. 03:12:28.884 --> 03:12:33.687 But my guess is this slow roll to accepting that this was a lie is... 03:12:35.160 --> 03:12:37.301 is going to continue over the next three or four years. 03:12:37.361 --> 03:12:42.824 I don't think that just like the lab leak, it's still being rolled out in mainstream media. 03:12:42.944 --> 03:12:54.370 And so we're going to be we're going to be trapped in this mythology for a while unless people become sophisticated enough to understand that there are ways that this could have been this could have been faked. 03:12:54.830 --> 03:13:03.635 And more importantly, one of the easiest ways to do it would have been kill people in hospitals with protocols that were were the wrong idea or or 03:13:04.595 --> 03:13:07.298 or financial incentives that encourage that. 03:13:07.378 --> 03:13:12.443 So to me, I'm happy to hear that they've talked about the protocols and stuff. 03:13:12.483 --> 03:13:23.774 But at this stage, I feel like the thing that's missing is the very, very, you know, 20,000-foot perspective that everybody can understand, which 03:13:25.526 --> 03:13:26.786 which is where I'm trying to go. 03:13:26.846 --> 03:13:34.909 I don't know if I'm there yet, but I want people to understand that the big ideas that are represented in this pandemic mythology are just not there. 03:13:34.989 --> 03:13:36.450 They're not there biologically. 03:13:36.470 --> 03:13:39.131 They're not there socioeconomically. 03:13:39.171 --> 03:13:39.751 They're not there. 03:13:40.191 --> 03:13:48.814 Whatever you say it is, there are very few worldwide phenomenon that nevermind a worldwide molecular phenomenon that 03:13:50.582 --> 03:13:56.425 unprecedented 15 or 16 million sequences, examples of this ongoing evolution. 03:13:56.466 --> 03:13:58.527 I mean, it's just absurd. 03:13:58.607 --> 03:14:06.793 And the idea that so many biologists have just taken this and not bothered to question it, there's a lot of reasons why that's the case. 03:14:08.794 --> 03:14:18.741 I guess the most important one would be that most academic biologists have created such a narrow expertise for themselves that they actually aren't sophisticated enough to see 03:14:19.679 --> 03:14:24.321 vaccine schedule was a lie and that infectious disease has been exaggerated for years. 03:14:25.121 --> 03:14:29.283 It is a terrible place we are in. 03:14:29.423 --> 03:14:34.745 I mean, I don't want anybody to underestimate how much more work is to be done. 03:14:34.865 --> 03:14:43.628 And I am very open to the idea that eventually the no virus people will say, I guess Jay's getting it right now, and that would be fine. 03:14:45.538 --> 03:14:59.081 So do you, you know, to call back Buckminster Freer, well, I'm going to paraphrase him a little bit, but there's also some some thing that he brought into the global consciousness was that instead of Buckminster, Bucky. 03:14:59.181 --> 03:14:59.601 Oh, yeah. 03:14:59.621 --> 03:14:59.841 Yeah. 03:15:00.302 --> 03:15:00.422 Yeah. 03:15:00.462 --> 03:15:02.462 You quoted him at the beginning of the show today. 03:15:02.482 --> 03:15:05.683 But there's a way that something that he said close to 03:15:06.343 --> 03:15:20.138 you know, when the system is obsolete, you know, just build a new one and do not try to destroy the old one, just try to build a new one and people will, you know, aggregate around that new one or use the new one with your more, you know, simple and elegant system. 03:15:20.419 --> 03:15:24.803 So in your point of view, JJ, in closing here, do you think that there's two 03:15:25.916 --> 03:15:34.286 Too much harm that's been done, too much division for, I guess, you guys to reunite together, you and the Novirus people? 03:15:34.426 --> 03:15:43.256 Or do you see a world, a possible world, where you will engage in a good faith conversation with even Tom Cowan or Andy or Mark Bailey? 03:15:43.296 --> 03:15:44.538 I think you like Mark Bailey a lot. 03:15:45.787 --> 03:15:54.039 For example, if I were to take some active steps in that direction, trying to bring you on a show with one of these guys, would you be open to that? 03:15:54.259 --> 03:15:55.581 Yeah, in theory I would be. 03:15:55.681 --> 03:16:02.150 I mean, as long as we don't get into some kind of nuanced debate about what we can and can't talk about, then sure. 03:16:04.376 --> 03:16:15.746 I've never been offered a situation where I wasn't given a very strict number of things that we were supposed to prepare and send literature about anything you want to argue about. 03:16:15.787 --> 03:16:18.789 I mean, this for me is just silly. 03:16:18.949 --> 03:16:20.190 Either you're a competent 03:16:21.013 --> 03:16:31.080 biologist and you're working to try and understand it, and that means reading every day and being humble enough to realize that none of us are going to get to the stage where we know the answer. 03:16:32.681 --> 03:16:35.743 I really, and I don't mean that we're not going to find out that they're liars. 03:16:35.803 --> 03:16:37.405 I'm sure that answer we know. 03:16:37.885 --> 03:16:41.988 They killed people and lied about it, and that's how we are governed. 03:16:42.048 --> 03:16:43.349 We've been governed that way for 03:16:43.869 --> 03:16:44.450 for decades. 03:16:44.530 --> 03:16:52.617 So I just think we need people to realize that lying about biology is not beyond the purview of these monsters. 03:16:53.318 --> 03:16:57.722 And so I just think if we can come together 03:16:59.904 --> 03:17:07.230 to agree that part of this illusion is not, I agree, part of the illusion is isolation and purification of viruses. 03:17:07.290 --> 03:17:17.959 Part of the illusion is using synthetic DNA and RNA to pretend that isolation and purification is happening or that pretend that viral culture is happening. 03:17:17.999 --> 03:17:18.880 Those are all important. 03:17:20.290 --> 03:17:32.440 But I think the overarching new message that I would love them to adopt and steal and never give me credit for is that this illusion is so important that they would murder people and lie about it, because that's what I think they did. 03:17:33.841 --> 03:17:39.266 And so they would plant molecular signals if they thought it would help their cause. 03:17:39.986 --> 03:17:44.650 They would distribute pure molecular signals if they thought that they could misconstrue it as spread. 03:17:46.016 --> 03:17:50.177 I think they would murder people and lie about it in order to tell you that a pandemic was ongoing. 03:17:50.217 --> 03:17:58.518 And so if we can start there and then discuss, you know, argue about how about biology and whatever, then then for me, it's fine. 03:17:58.538 --> 03:18:10.001 But if we if we're going to establish that Jonathan Cooley has to argue that that viruses exist or that clones are real or whatever the the phrasing will be, I'll be a little frustrated, but I'll be there. 03:18:10.021 --> 03:18:11.481 I mean, I don't have any problem with that. 03:18:12.827 --> 03:18:13.067 Cool. 03:18:13.167 --> 03:18:15.569 Well, I have no idea if it is something that's even possible. 03:18:15.729 --> 03:18:24.976 So I'll see, you know, as I told you in the beginning, I'm just one guy trying to, you know, bring things a little bit more forward than they are right now, if possible, and hopefully in a better direction. 03:18:25.336 --> 03:18:37.325 And I hope you did not, you know, take my questioning and my, you know, basic level of understanding as an upfront or, you know, as someone that has not paid attention sufficiently enough to what you've been saying, because, 03:18:37.865 --> 03:18:41.909 My perspective is, you know, we're talking about the 20-foot view. 03:18:42.250 --> 03:18:44.152 I'm trying to be like a 100,000-foot view. 03:18:44.192 --> 03:18:53.461 I'm trying to understand what's going on in physics, in technology, in AI and everything, and just trying to put things together and see if there's a global picture emerging of that or not. 03:18:53.881 --> 03:18:55.643 So I'm really not, as I said at the beginning, 03:18:56.704 --> 03:19:00.186 coefficient in one specific field like that. 03:19:00.246 --> 03:19:07.771 So thank you very much for taking some time and going through my questions, my repetitive questions today. 03:19:07.831 --> 03:19:10.893 I think we kind of made some progress actually for me. 03:19:11.253 --> 03:19:13.415 I kind of understood really more what you were saying. 03:19:14.375 --> 03:19:20.359 There's many more different fields of questioning that I would have loved to show to you today, but we don't have time for that, so thank you again. 03:19:21.500 --> 03:19:35.048 So, JJ, your website is gigahomebiological.com, G-I-G-A-O-H-M biological.com, and you're going streaming live like almost every day of the week, so can you give people basically 03:19:36.048 --> 03:19:48.337 I appreciated your point of view today and want to learn more and follow you in the future and maybe encourage your research by whatever, making donations or supporting you, what they can do and where they can go and what days of the week you're like. 03:19:48.477 --> 03:19:50.118 That's really nice of you. 03:19:50.318 --> 03:19:53.620 I can't stress to you enough how often that doesn't happen to me in interviews. 03:19:53.840 --> 03:20:00.465 I will start out by saying thank you and I apologize if it felt like it got heated or antagonistic. 03:20:02.427 --> 03:20:16.980 I think it should, in retrospect, maybe after the stream is over, it will feel as a sign of authenticity because if you've actually seen an alien, you're not going to be very happy about having to tell everybody that you've seen the alien. 03:20:18.489 --> 03:20:23.270 People who saw the alien that was HIV went through the same thing that I'm going through right now. 03:20:24.370 --> 03:20:29.331 And maybe people like Mark Bailey and Sam Bailey, Tom Cowan went through it earlier than I did. 03:20:29.371 --> 03:20:31.452 And so they're at a different stage of dealing with it. 03:20:32.012 --> 03:20:40.634 And so it could be that there's just some spontaneous friction that occurs there too, as people are at different stages of waking up. 03:20:41.161 --> 03:20:51.831 And so I'm trying to humble myself all the time and make sure that everybody is reminded that I'm not the guy who came up with these ideas. 03:20:51.891 --> 03:20:55.754 I'm not the first dude to doubt virology by any stretch of the imagination. 03:20:55.854 --> 03:21:02.400 But I feel as though maybe there's a more nuanced way to bring more people to understand how 03:21:05.646 --> 03:21:08.988 how intricately the illusion has been laid over the last 20 years. 03:21:09.048 --> 03:21:15.372 And so you can find me at stream.gigaohm.bio or gigaohm.bio. 03:21:15.412 --> 03:21:20.676 These are all two places that are federated places. 03:21:20.716 --> 03:21:21.917 So there's no algorithm. 03:21:22.377 --> 03:21:25.259 All my videos are archived there as well. 03:21:25.359 --> 03:21:27.420 And I archive also on Rumble. 03:21:27.460 --> 03:21:32.583 But the most important thing would just be to try and share my work and spread the word. 03:21:33.894 --> 03:21:36.736 a few people that help me out and we scrape by. 03:21:36.996 --> 03:21:44.500 And if a few more people subscribe in the next few months, we'll almost be fully sustainable, I think, at least for the short term. 03:21:44.540 --> 03:21:47.162 And so for me, it's more about getting the word out. 03:21:47.342 --> 03:21:57.008 And I don't do very many interviews because often what happens is what happened in this interview that I'm not able to, you know, be as diplomatic as I should be in order to get this message out. 03:21:57.068 --> 03:21:59.550 But I hope that you're 03:22:00.646 --> 03:22:05.488 your viewers will give me the benefit of the doubt and try to listen to the words I'm saying and not yelling. 03:22:06.488 --> 03:22:07.488 And I'm going to get better at it. 03:22:07.528 --> 03:22:08.448 You know, it's four years. 03:22:08.508 --> 03:22:22.613 I'm getting to the stage where I'm a little more, I'm able to keep my cool, but I still get frustrated with my own inability to bring people to where I am. 03:22:22.633 --> 03:22:25.054 And I guess it's just, you know, it's just practice. 03:22:25.074 --> 03:22:25.994 I can say it on my show. 03:22:26.034 --> 03:22:26.654 It's a jazz show. 03:22:26.674 --> 03:22:27.754 I have to repeat it every night. 03:22:27.814 --> 03:22:28.655 It gets better and better. 03:22:29.455 --> 03:22:29.695 We'll see. 03:22:30.697 --> 03:22:48.145 Well, you know, the last couple of minutes that you've been speaking here is, you know, I guess the genuine values, I don't know, I guess you're kind of speaking from your heart when you get into that kind of space there, and that's what I'm looking for. 03:22:48.425 --> 03:22:58.409 I'm looking for someone who's got a scientific mind, and for me, it's about humbleness and acknowledging that we can all move forward, and I'm trying to live by that kind of attitude as well. 03:22:58.789 --> 03:23:06.457 I've been wrong so many times, and even today, I've not been the best at managing that conversation also. 03:23:06.557 --> 03:23:09.941 So I just want to say thank you for going through it with me. 03:23:10.161 --> 03:23:12.343 I'm just trying to make some progress. 03:23:14.309 --> 03:23:22.935 doing that in a way that can be unifying as much as I can, and hopefully so that it can have a good impact for the people out there. 03:23:23.716 --> 03:23:26.458 And I just want to encourage people to listen to your streams. 03:23:26.478 --> 03:23:28.419 You're much better than me, more advanced. 03:23:28.659 --> 03:23:34.803 You've got multiple cameras, you've got some sound effects, and you've got a great quality, and you're a great communicator. 03:23:34.824 --> 03:23:35.604 I have to say that. 03:23:36.104 --> 03:23:39.547 You're straightforward, your sentences are 03:23:39.947 --> 03:23:43.568 clear and you always have a point that you're driving through. 03:23:43.928 --> 03:23:46.509 And I really appreciated that from the streams that I've listened to. 03:23:46.849 --> 03:23:48.850 So I really encourage people to follow you, too. 03:23:49.310 --> 03:24:03.555 And because, you know, what we're trying to do here from my own perspective to my audience is I'm trying to find the heterodox thinkers which have heterodox ideas in order to better understand the rules or the patterns emerging, as JJ said at the beginning as well. 03:24:04.016 --> 03:24:04.176 So 03:24:05.516 --> 03:24:13.220 Well, in order for that to happen, these voices that are more lonely voices like JJ here need to be encouraged and supported. 03:24:13.640 --> 03:24:16.621 So I think it's worth it if people go your way. 03:24:16.921 --> 03:24:19.102 So of course, the links would be in the comments. 03:24:19.983 --> 03:24:20.743 Thanks again, JJ. 03:24:20.823 --> 03:24:25.105 You've been really awesome today, even if it was not easy all the time. 03:24:25.165 --> 03:24:26.466 Thank you again for participating. 03:24:26.886 --> 03:24:30.488 And I have no idea if something will come out of that, as I said. 03:24:30.548 --> 03:24:32.369 But I'll give it a shot. 03:24:32.789 --> 03:24:35.050 And if I do bring something, I'll let you know. 03:24:35.410 --> 03:24:36.110 OK, sounds good. 03:24:37.111 --> 03:24:37.591 You're awesome. 03:24:37.631 --> 03:24:38.031 Thank you, man. 03:24:38.172 --> 03:24:38.492 Thank you. 03:24:41.273 --> 03:24:43.534 OK, so that's the end of that video. 03:24:45.075 --> 03:24:45.495 I don't know. 03:24:45.615 --> 03:24:49.117 I have an interesting feeling about that now. 03:24:49.197 --> 03:24:50.698 I don't feel as bad as I did. 03:24:50.758 --> 03:24:55.300 And I guess it now explains to me why I felt so weird when that email went so wrong. 03:24:56.041 --> 03:25:03.925 I just wanted to post a transcript to make sure that those descriptions, especially a couple of those that I nailed in there, 03:25:05.506 --> 03:25:12.136 about transfection and transformation of cell culture, just basically being virology, that was one of the first times I had ever said that. 03:25:13.178 --> 03:25:14.720 And so I was pretty proud of that. 03:25:14.820 --> 03:25:17.464 And I did not, I didn't want to 03:25:19.400 --> 03:25:19.960 Yeah, I don't know. 03:25:20.180 --> 03:25:21.741 I didn't want to leave it hanging. 03:25:21.801 --> 03:25:22.541 And so I did. 03:25:22.561 --> 03:25:25.543 I ended up just posting his email, as I showed you here. 03:25:26.423 --> 03:25:34.027 And that was just a way of, in my humble opinion, putting it out there that the discussion had happened. 03:25:34.867 --> 03:25:39.470 And then as far as I was concerned, the idea, I didn't post it, right? 03:25:39.530 --> 03:25:40.711 I gave him lots of weeks. 03:25:40.771 --> 03:25:44.373 He said it would be a few weeks before he would be able to do anything. 03:25:44.413 --> 03:25:46.615 And that was the 20th of May. 03:25:46.695 --> 03:25:48.516 And now we've passed the 20th of June. 03:25:48.576 --> 03:25:49.597 And now we're in July. 03:25:49.717 --> 03:25:53.659 So I do think we gave him enough time to post that interview. 03:25:53.739 --> 03:25:55.521 And if he does, I don't think I've ruined it. 03:25:56.561 --> 03:25:59.422 Because again, we want people that haven't seen me to see me. 03:25:59.522 --> 03:26:04.244 So presumably he'll have a different audience than me and you guys won't need to watch it there. 03:26:04.304 --> 03:26:07.465 And that wouldn't be who he would be trying to attract anyway. 03:26:07.545 --> 03:26:14.528 So I never really understood what the point was of calling it his content when it was interviewing me. 03:26:15.868 --> 03:26:24.494 I guess he tried to talk a lot and he said a lot of things, so I guess that was some of his content, but I didn't get the feeling that his content contributed a lot to what I said. 03:26:25.114 --> 03:26:34.961 Anyway, the point would be very simple, and there isn't much more dishonorable thing to do than misleading the young, and I think 03:26:35.701 --> 03:26:43.645 All of these people are involved in an intricate plan to get us to mislead our children about the pandemic potential that exists in nature. 03:26:44.165 --> 03:26:49.607 I think this man is also intimately involved in this and one of the main things that they are hiding. 03:26:50.167 --> 03:26:56.830 Intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb. 03:26:57.831 --> 03:27:03.033 Transfection in healthy humans is criminally negligent and RNA cannot pandemic. 03:27:03.553 --> 03:27:07.559 Weaponized piles of money have murdered people and gotten people to agree about it being a lab leak. 03:27:07.960 --> 03:27:12.166 The LL vaccine schedule is injuring and killing thousands every year. 03:27:12.787 --> 03:27:18.635 And RNA virology is just transformation and transfection of cell cultures and animal models. 03:27:22.568 --> 03:27:24.770 Please stop all transfections in humans. 03:27:24.890 --> 03:27:27.913 Happy 4th of July to the Americans out there. 03:27:29.174 --> 03:27:31.456 They are still trying to eliminate the control group. 03:27:31.496 --> 03:27:34.579 That's why the new flu vaccines are all RNAs. 03:27:35.179 --> 03:27:37.761 Just trying to keep that control group whittling down. 03:27:38.782 --> 03:27:42.205 If you like what you saw, please support me at gigaohmbiological.com. 03:27:42.245 --> 03:27:47.969 There is a family of five that lives off of this stream, and this is really our thing. 03:27:49.250 --> 03:27:54.494 And gigaohmbiological.com is a place, or gigaohm.bio is a place where we can chat. 03:27:55.234 --> 03:27:56.695 I will go check that later on. 03:27:57.676 --> 03:28:02.220 And then stream.gigaohm.bio is the PeerTube version of the stream. 03:28:02.260 --> 03:28:03.741 If you don't watch it, they're live. 03:28:04.341 --> 03:28:09.403 because it's a little delayed from Twitch, please make sure that you go watch it there on the replay. 03:28:10.483 --> 03:28:14.004 Number one, because you get the music in the beginning, you don't want to miss Boston. 03:28:14.684 --> 03:28:31.710 And number two, because you can now download everything that you find on Peertube in two different formats, the full version, or you can download a 480, or I think you might even be able to download just the audio, and you have my explicit permission to take those 03:28:32.310 --> 03:28:37.333 those formats and put them wherever you want to and distribute them however you want to. 03:28:37.753 --> 03:28:43.776 If you want to start your own podcast on Spotify and call it Giga Home Biological Replays, please do it. 03:28:43.876 --> 03:28:46.417 If you want to start a new Rumble channel, please do it. 03:28:46.918 --> 03:28:50.840 And like I said, if you want to support the work, please go to gigahomebiological.com. 03:28:50.880 --> 03:28:51.580 Thank you very much. 03:28:53.821 --> 03:28:58.744 This is the luxury of having spent my life doing what I love. 03:29:00.204 --> 03:29:01.125 The cost of that 03:29:04.787 --> 03:29:05.448 It sucks. 03:29:08.911 --> 03:29:10.032 I'm not blind. 03:29:12.013 --> 03:29:13.955 I'm not numb to the pain. 03:29:13.975 --> 03:29:21.482 I would argue I'm more conscious of it than anybody else, but I'm also more conscious of what that gives me. 03:29:25.685 --> 03:29:31.270 And when I'm done with this, that will be 03:29:32.267 --> 03:29:33.888 what it is and I'll find a way. 03:29:34.808 --> 03:29:42.570 But there's something inside of me propelling that I'm not going to give up until the wheels fall off. 03:29:43.831 --> 03:29:44.711 That's what I'm made of. 03:29:46.411 --> 03:29:53.213 And I wish I see all the arguments against it, but I wish I could relate the intangibles to you. 03:29:56.134 --> 03:29:58.715 My guess is that we're all built the same. 03:29:59.955 --> 03:30:01.496 None of us are completely stupid, 03:30:03.012 --> 03:30:05.153 a little deranged, I think a strong argument. 03:30:05.553 --> 03:30:05.773 I do. 03:30:07.774 --> 03:30:11.875 But ultimately, we also know what we have. 03:30:13.736 --> 03:30:24.180 And to go and lay down in that sense of it, that's like embracing what we've done with our lives, you know? 03:30:34.508 --> 03:30:40.291 So most of you have already gone, but I just want to make sure that you understand I'm taking a deep breath here because I don't want to get emotional. 03:30:44.112 --> 03:30:49.194 But everything in this whole pandemic happened somehow for a reason. 03:30:50.595 --> 03:30:54.777 Even me losing my brother to this ideology happened for a reason. 03:30:54.817 --> 03:30:57.278 What does my brother have to fight for with no kids? 03:30:59.839 --> 03:31:02.260 What future is he fighting for with no kids? 03:31:03.871 --> 03:31:06.252 What do I have that he doesn't have? 03:31:06.453 --> 03:31:21.822 What have I been missing when I've been in science my whole life thinking that tenure or the future was where to find my happiness instead of in my kid's bedroom or in the swimming pool in the driveway? 03:31:21.842 --> 03:31:31.268 And we've all got to realize this, that while we're fighting for our kid's future, we're missing this present. 03:31:32.543 --> 03:31:39.870 And so on this 4th of July, when you're at the barbecue, or this 4th of July, when you pop open that beer, make sure you're really present. 03:31:41.912 --> 03:31:43.193 Hang on the rim a little while. 03:31:44.515 --> 03:31:45.355 Because we're winning. 03:31:47.157 --> 03:31:47.818 I'll see you soon.