WEBVTT 00:17.267 --> 00:17.368 Mm. 00:47.657 --> 00:47.718 Mm. 01:39.704 --> 01:39.825 you 03:11.639 --> 03:17.487 Isle is the roughest place I've ever been 03:55.976 --> 03:57.638 I heard a woman scream. 03:59.821 --> 04:08.532 Then I peeped through the door. 04:08.672 --> 04:10.074 Some gal was wiggin' on that ass. 04:28.188 --> 04:35.936 That is the roughest place I've ever been. 04:36.377 --> 04:40.181 All the people down there 05:25.214 --> 05:46.341 Somebody killed a crapshooter cause he didn't run Shake, right and wrong Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey 06:03.405 --> 06:13.270 All the people down there Killin' for their whiskey, wine and gin 07:58.283 --> 08:00.165 Said there's a red boy now. 08:04.088 --> 08:06.511 Lord, nobody wrong. 08:08.032 --> 08:16.800 Hey, hey, hey, hey. 08:17.881 --> 08:19.663 Alley's the roughest place. 08:36.670 --> 08:46.032 Yeah, they took me away from that alley Lord, they took me right back to the bed 09:06.219 --> 09:31.106 Alright, let's get this started. 09:31.166 --> 09:32.126 I'm very excited. 09:32.146 --> 09:34.227 Let's check over here quick. 09:35.484 --> 09:39.446 I see one person waiting, so we should be really ready to go. 09:42.447 --> 09:43.027 Five minutes. 09:44.147 --> 09:49.870 Five minutes and it's 15 after the 15th hour of the day starting up. 09:54.231 --> 09:55.692 Very excited, ladies and gentlemen. 09:55.732 --> 09:58.813 I'm very excited for today because I don't have to work very hard. 09:58.833 --> 10:00.294 I just have to watch these two 10:03.106 --> 10:18.486 have to watch these two guys come together and talk about the things that they've found over the last couple years and it's gonna be a really exciting place for me to sit in on and so just let me make sure everything gets fixed and situated here and we're ready to go. 10:30.990 --> 10:35.152 I'm afraid that the latest data tells us that we're dealing with essentially a worst case scenario. 10:37.093 --> 10:38.654 I think truth is good for kids. 10:39.094 --> 10:42.856 We're so busy lying, we don't even recognize the truth no more in society. 10:43.377 --> 10:44.997 We want everybody to feel good. 10:45.137 --> 10:47.379 That's not, that's not the way life is. 10:49.880 --> 10:53.762 But you can tell if someone's lying, you know, you can sort of feel it in people. 10:55.592 --> 10:56.294 And I have lied. 10:56.314 --> 10:57.356 I'm sure I'll lie again. 10:57.376 --> 10:58.319 I don't want to lie. 10:58.820 --> 11:00.163 You know, I don't think I'm a liar. 11:00.263 --> 11:01.305 I try not to be a liar. 11:01.325 --> 11:02.167 I don't want to be a liar. 11:02.749 --> 11:05.455 I think it's like really important not to be a liar. 11:21.111 --> 11:22.992 I'm not sure exactly who he is. 11:23.092 --> 11:24.492 His name is J.J. 11:24.632 --> 11:28.394 Cooey and I believe he's a consultant for C.H.D. 11:29.254 --> 11:31.415 and I believe he has a P.H.D. 11:31.435 --> 11:36.017 in some sort of scientific discipline from what I understand. 11:41.733 --> 11:41.793 I'm 12:09.614 --> 12:10.975 you. 12:35.205 --> 12:42.791 Hey, it looks like the stands are starting to fill up slowly in the gym and we are ready for the show. 12:42.852 --> 12:51.739 The Enchantment is about to take a serious blow to the broadside today as we try to move forward and we've been working on the biology. 12:51.839 --> 12:54.641 Other people have been working on the history and today we have two 12:56.063 --> 13:10.735 Let's just call them armchair historians that have have found their stride during the pandemic because of the nature of the pandemic's narrative because of the way that whoa whoa whoa something's scooping around I bet somebody connected back there. 13:10.755 --> 13:16.721 We're gonna have to do a sound check and we'll do the sound check and then if it's not right we're just gonna start over again and that'll be fine. 13:18.442 --> 13:20.163 One of our guests is named Mark Kulak. 13:20.323 --> 13:22.084 He's based in the United States. 13:22.484 --> 13:29.027 He is an analyst with a long career in the computer data storage industry. 13:30.447 --> 13:39.372 And the other fellow that's joining us is actually a historian from Germany who does a lot of his work on Substack and had a recent 13:40.552 --> 13:47.818 collaboration with CHD and Veera Sharav in trying to put out the movie and the book called Never Again is Now. 13:48.879 --> 13:55.604 And so these two gentlemen are going to join me in just a few minutes to discuss the current state of the narrative, so to speak. 13:57.145 --> 14:00.087 And I do really think that is the current state of the narrative. 14:00.828 --> 14:05.452 None of the three people that you will see discussing these ideas today are under the 14:07.273 --> 14:09.293 under the illusion that they know the truth. 14:10.354 --> 14:15.115 We are to think I am mainly in agreement that the truth is not available for free on television. 14:15.655 --> 14:19.916 And in fact, the truth may not be available for free on. 14:21.376 --> 14:24.397 It may also not be available for free on social media, at least. 14:25.157 --> 14:26.517 Why is this not advancing? 14:26.597 --> 14:29.398 This would be a very good assumption to start under. 14:31.687 --> 14:32.888 And so that's what we're going to do today. 14:32.928 --> 14:35.991 We're going to try and learn a little bit of our history before it's erased forever. 14:36.051 --> 14:40.896 And we're going to learn a little bit about what each of these guys have kind of separately stumbled upon. 14:40.916 --> 14:46.401 It kind of lines up to helping us understand how it is that we've actually inherited. 14:47.282 --> 14:55.984 these charlatans and how our history can help us understand how we inherited governance by charlatan because that's really where we are. 14:56.024 --> 15:13.628 We are trapped in governance by charlatan and if we're going to make gentle the life of this world as we transition out of governance by charlatan, it's going to take people around the world who are able to stay focused on the biology and not take the bait on television and love their neighbors. 15:14.488 --> 15:19.289 because this is a wave of coordinated lying that's been going on for generations. 15:20.289 --> 15:27.511 And so if we want to teach our children to surf this wave with the real truth, we've got to be able to show them the direction to surf. 15:27.551 --> 15:29.331 We've got to be able to show them how to ride. 15:29.351 --> 15:39.093 We've got to be able to show them the people who are coordinated, coordinatedly lying to create this wave that's entrapped us. 15:39.113 --> 15:41.434 And that's what Giga Home Biological is really all about. 15:43.959 --> 15:47.422 It's hard to believe that this next slide is like almost four years old. 15:48.683 --> 15:52.106 But if you are here for a while, you're here at the top of the wave. 15:52.146 --> 15:59.793 And if not, you might be a skilled TV watcher who needs to be reminded to stay focused on the biology, needs to be told not to take their bait. 15:59.853 --> 16:02.916 It's still not really working very well, so I'm not sure what's going on. 16:02.956 --> 16:04.777 I have the feeling it's Zoom doing that. 16:05.418 --> 16:08.180 So we are going to have to switch out soon. 16:09.501 --> 16:10.122 And that'll be good. 16:12.523 --> 16:15.045 I don't think the computer really likes it. 16:15.065 --> 16:15.886 So this is how it works. 16:15.926 --> 16:19.428 People share this stream and then people find out about it. 16:19.509 --> 16:25.693 So if you're not busy sharing it, maybe take the time right now to tweet it out or put it up on Facebook or whatever you do. 16:25.713 --> 16:27.495 That would be really great. 16:29.296 --> 16:40.724 and you can find us at GigaOMBiological.com but that's not really important right now because we have two other people that we are trying to make you more familiar with and I want to get there as quick as possible. 16:41.245 --> 16:44.947 I'm sure they're already annoyed with the introduction here. 16:46.148 --> 16:48.750 Let's just play this really quick and we'll be there. 16:50.609 --> 16:57.191 I think it is kind of exciting though that this paradigm shift is about to occur and we're gonna be around for it. 16:57.211 --> 17:00.812 We're gonna be around for it and be able to share it with our children in real time. 17:01.332 --> 17:05.213 And that's what's really gonna be necessary as these changes occur. 17:05.233 --> 17:12.455 We're gonna have to be able to share the informed noncompliance with our children and teach them how to engage in it for the rest of their lifetime. 17:13.956 --> 17:14.836 So yeah, that's the plan. 17:18.590 --> 17:18.790 do 17:43.240 --> 17:46.822 Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello. 17:46.942 --> 17:47.822 That looks good. 17:47.942 --> 17:50.163 Let's see if we can get this right away. 17:50.183 --> 17:52.044 I'm a human just like you. 17:52.585 --> 17:57.647 Don't forget intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb. 17:57.687 --> 18:01.509 The transfection in healthy humans is criminally negligent and RNA cannot pandemic. 18:02.089 --> 18:05.491 We are trying to stop the spread of bad ideas by promoting people with good ones. 18:05.571 --> 18:07.792 So today I've got two very special guests. 18:09.873 --> 18:13.719 Mark Kulak and Uwe Altschner. 18:15.521 --> 18:18.065 I don't know if they're both in the Zoom already. 18:18.225 --> 18:19.026 Oh, they are. 18:19.086 --> 18:20.408 Look how convenient that is. 18:20.428 --> 18:22.311 I'm just going to hit escape. 18:23.131 --> 18:24.893 Let me get over here and hit escape. 18:25.414 --> 18:32.221 And I don't know if they'll be able to see themselves the way I see them, which may be slightly unhandy for them at times. 18:32.301 --> 18:34.784 But I don't know what you guys see when I do this. 18:34.884 --> 18:36.947 I hope you see yourselves up in the corner there. 18:37.047 --> 18:37.467 Okay, good. 18:38.028 --> 18:39.109 So welcome, gentlemen. 18:39.550 --> 18:40.350 Welcome to the show. 18:41.472 --> 18:52.222 I think it's important first for me to just clarify where you're coming from and who you are and not dig too far into the details because we could go into either of your backgrounds for 20 minutes. 18:52.983 --> 18:58.549 What I want to get to right away is of course where your stories have come together very recently with regard to Hilary Kaprowski. 18:59.289 --> 19:00.991 And of course, I also want you to meet each other. 19:01.031 --> 19:10.659 So let me just very quickly switch over here and just say very quickly, these guys can be found here. 19:11.520 --> 19:14.282 First, you have the substack, never again. 19:15.063 --> 19:16.384 is now global. 19:17.045 --> 19:24.973 You shouldn't confuse that with some other substacks that are out there that are associated with a very similar theme like never again is now etc. 19:24.993 --> 19:31.099 These are all probably and maybe Uwe at some point can say something about it but these are all probably 19:31.940 --> 19:56.870 interesting places to look to but for now we're featuring his and it is again Never Again is now global on Substack and you are all those of you have been here for a while are also very familiar with Housatonic Mark Kulak at housatonicits.com and this is of course the front page of his website and so without further ado gentlemen 19:58.416 --> 19:59.317 Welcome to the show. 19:59.457 --> 20:07.921 I know you guys know each other kind of through me, but, you know, welcome and I'm so happy you guys can finally be introduced. 20:08.181 --> 20:24.750 Maybe it's easier because Mark and I talk more often that you start in Germany and just kind of give maybe a short through the corner version of why you ended up texting me this morning with an audio message and why you were so excited to talk to Mark. 20:25.190 --> 20:26.671 Thanks again for joining, by the way. 20:29.474 --> 20:30.074 Oh, you're muted. 20:31.095 --> 20:31.395 Sorry. 20:33.596 --> 20:34.357 Yeah, sorry. 20:34.877 --> 20:35.337 Can you hear me? 20:35.518 --> 20:35.718 Yep. 20:37.259 --> 20:39.960 So thank you, JJ. 20:40.020 --> 20:43.302 And thank you, Mark, for having me on. 20:43.362 --> 20:43.883 It's an honor. 20:45.764 --> 20:50.086 I have been following both of your work for the better part of 20:51.966 --> 21:01.611 almost two years now, which came about because I worked together with Vera Sharaf on the project Never Again is Now Global. 21:02.291 --> 21:09.395 And that's also why my substack has come to be termed neveragainisnowglobal.substack.com. 21:09.415 --> 21:14.497 So this is something which I started, and it was clear that it was my substack to 21:16.858 --> 21:18.118 some attention towards me. 21:18.538 --> 21:19.059 I'm German. 21:19.079 --> 21:19.859 I'm a historian. 21:20.399 --> 21:28.381 I've got a background in politics, but I left very early in the beginning of the 2000s. 21:28.661 --> 21:37.643 So working inside politics and since then I've been consulting the pandemic or what is called the pandemic has destroyed my business and I've been trying to 21:38.981 --> 21:47.509 reinvent myself and stay afloat whilst also providing information for my fellow Germans. 21:48.490 --> 21:53.916 So I've been doing translation during almost all of 2020. 21:53.956 --> 21:59.641 I had very senior people on my show, translated the whole thing into German. 22:00.262 --> 22:03.024 And that's how I came in touch with CHD. 22:04.846 --> 22:05.967 and with Vera Sharaf. 22:06.207 --> 22:21.461 Vera Sharaf was on my German blog and in April 2021 it was when I asked her for an interview about the situation I was observing from Israel and in this interview which we did 22:22.082 --> 22:26.884 Vera said something to the tune of, this could be the beginning of the Fourth Reich. 22:26.984 --> 22:34.287 And as a German and as a historian, I've been trained to be very, very cautious in making comparisons with the Holocaust. 22:34.447 --> 22:38.829 So I was immediately almost taken aback and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 22:39.530 --> 22:42.631 But of course, this was a Holocaust survivor who was talking to me. 22:42.691 --> 22:47.413 So therefore, I knew that she would also be well aware of what she was saying. 22:49.494 --> 22:58.579 this triggered me to do more research on what I thought I knew, but I didn't, in fact, because history is something quite different. 23:00.300 --> 23:08.564 So history, the way it is taught in school and university is something quite different from the real history, which is an evolving 23:10.205 --> 23:11.246 organism, basically. 23:11.366 --> 23:21.353 It's something like science, where evidence comes to light and has to be reintroduced and reassessed permanently. 23:21.473 --> 23:30.859 So the history of the Second World War, the rise of the Nazis and all this had to be revisited. 23:31.399 --> 23:35.222 And I have come to understand that the history is completely different. 23:36.703 --> 23:38.905 from what it is we've been taught. 23:38.945 --> 23:41.867 So this is basically where I've been coming from. 23:42.287 --> 24:03.004 And when I saw Mark's most recent show on Joseph Mengele, Hilary Koprowski in the Vatican, this was of course something which I immediately connected to because this was the fact which I was researching for our joint project, which Vera and I had 24:03.652 --> 24:06.414 have been doing until November of last year. 24:06.434 --> 24:14.321 So I'm not working anymore with Vera Sharap, which I do regret, but it is something which I also in some way also 24:15.569 --> 24:21.551 Now I'm relieved of some burden because I can focus on my own work. 24:21.571 --> 24:30.274 And Mark has pointed out very, very important connections, not just in this respect, but also in this respect. 24:30.294 --> 24:44.879 And that's why I reached out to you and said, look, I think we should get on a show together and discuss various aspects of what Mark has been drawing attention to yesterday and the day before. 24:45.703 --> 24:57.110 And Mark, can you give us a one minute or two minute synopsis of what you've been drawing attention to over the last, I mean, I know those shows are very long and they're detailed, but I know you're also pretty good at giving a kind of overview. 24:57.670 --> 25:01.512 And so as best you can, at least just try and help us out. 25:02.953 --> 25:03.233 Sure. 25:04.754 --> 25:10.558 First, I do also have the URL, Housatonic.live, so you can go directly to there. 25:11.543 --> 25:13.004 And it's a pleasure to meet you, Yvette. 25:13.845 --> 25:18.307 Thank you for actually having shared and highlighted some of my work. 25:18.387 --> 25:19.648 Not too many people do that. 25:21.569 --> 25:32.095 It helps me reach my end goal, which is to get whatever information out there that we can, and hopefully get me out of the middle, because I don't actually want to be in the middle. 25:32.115 --> 25:38.259 That was not my desire several years ago when I started on this particular endeavor. 25:38.279 --> 25:39.720 And I think we all have our own reasons. 25:42.311 --> 26:09.822 It was, of course, and this isn't our own words, it's very clear that a large component of the COVID-19 is data collection and potentially utilizing the resources that are available, potentially resources that will be disappearing in the future, to understand or to potentially shed some light on how the machinery of the human organism 26:11.377 --> 26:11.837 operates. 26:13.038 --> 26:16.659 It may never actually happen, but you got to start somewhere. 26:17.719 --> 26:26.623 And I suspect that this data collection has been ongoing, or the infrastructure that has to attain this has been put in place. 26:27.523 --> 26:31.444 The idea of what needed to be collected has changed over the last several decades. 26:33.625 --> 26:35.446 And there are 26:37.699 --> 26:57.813 academic lineages of some of the most important people in virology and immunology and genetics over the last 40 or 50 years, which connect very directly to people who have been hosting and leading conferences at the Vatican, as well as to interests or, how to say, experiments 27:02.776 --> 27:05.338 camps, et cetera, that were in World War II Germany. 27:05.938 --> 27:10.040 And it's a subject that I felt very uncomfortable actually exploring. 27:11.881 --> 27:12.582 What could I know? 27:12.622 --> 27:16.184 I'm not really a historian, but I can follow the clues. 27:17.225 --> 27:22.808 And sometimes, and this is actually a window of time that actually will not last forever for me, right? 27:23.288 --> 27:25.930 We have an opportunity where sometimes someone can come along 27:26.687 --> 27:31.949 with enough capability, but perhaps enough naivety to ask slightly different questions. 27:32.429 --> 27:36.770 Eventually, I'm going to fall into a box, too, where I'll have a difficult time getting out. 27:36.810 --> 27:44.073 But at the moment, I've been able to look at these connections and go, you know, there's just far too close a connection here. 27:45.113 --> 27:46.754 This isn't four levels deep. 27:46.794 --> 27:48.975 This is quite literally the 27:51.682 --> 27:52.582 the same individuals. 27:53.023 --> 28:15.870 In some cases, just like, and I have much to thank for, of all people, and I suspect he's not a very bright bulb, Stanley Prusiner of the, how to say, Nobel laureate, misfolded protein fame, because he just wrote, I think, more than anyone wanted him to write upon the passing of Hilary Koprowski. 28:16.816 --> 28:21.378 And he just shared a lot of details about how close he was with the Vatican and his access. 28:21.438 --> 28:33.702 And I would suspect that if Kiprowski is who the person who I think, and I think you may be suspecting is Yuve, I'm not sure Kiprowski would have wanted that written, but he was gone by that time. 28:34.202 --> 28:42.145 So the memoirs are out there and then you start revisiting things and it would make sense if it was possible. 28:43.095 --> 28:52.318 If it was possible, as we have been told, to commit the atrocities of World War II, and I'm not, I'm only questioning the nature of them and some of the motivations, right? 28:53.039 --> 29:00.321 Then why not just scale that up to ever-increasing populations if the people back then were never caught, really? 29:01.181 --> 29:02.762 Almost all of them were allowed to go free. 29:04.343 --> 29:10.225 I have a lot of questions, none of them questions that people should have asked. 29:11.872 --> 29:17.275 I would be more than happy to be shut up and go away if someone could just resolve these things in a way that makes sense. 29:17.315 --> 29:18.936 So that's where I'm at right now. 29:19.696 --> 29:31.582 And I think there's much I could benefit from working with someone who has been deep in the history, such as yourself, Yvette, because I'm reaching the end of some of my, at least, capabilities right now. 29:31.602 --> 29:33.623 And I think you could help expedite that dramatically. 29:33.643 --> 29:34.704 So thank you for reaching out. 29:38.385 --> 29:39.326 Sure, sure. 29:39.786 --> 29:44.431 JJ, how do you want to have this conversation? 29:44.491 --> 29:50.457 Are you going to ask questions or do you want us to just spit out our thoughts? 29:50.497 --> 29:59.986 Yeah, how about you just start with, you know, kind of what you told me in the audio message about what you'd found and why you think Mark would be interested in it, and then we'll see how Mark responds. 30:00.646 --> 30:00.886 Yes. 30:01.607 --> 30:20.557 And for props, if I may, for the benefit of the audience, every once in a while here or there, if there's a name or a concept that perhaps most people would be just unaware of, feel free to spend an extra minute, not extensively, but just to highlight who this person is or that company is or whatever. 30:21.158 --> 30:23.539 We'll assume that there's a mid-level of knowledge here. 30:23.559 --> 30:25.340 Right. 30:27.109 --> 30:37.460 So in your recent video about Mengele and Koprowski, you said something to the effect that you weren't sure whether the two actually met. 30:38.061 --> 30:45.528 So Mengele lived on until at least 1979 and maybe even longer, as you speculate rightly, because we don't know. 30:45.648 --> 30:48.611 And it's fair to assume that it may just have been 30:50.733 --> 30:55.016 something which we were led to believe for other things to happen. 30:55.276 --> 30:56.217 This is speculation. 30:56.257 --> 31:05.843 And I also applaud you for making very clear where you speculate and where evidence is available to really pin things down. 31:06.824 --> 31:13.448 But in this video, you also asked about whether that you could, correct me if I'm wrong, but that you could not really 31:14.048 --> 31:25.214 a fathom that those guys had been working on their own in Auschwitz and not having gotten support from outside or reported and stuff. 31:25.274 --> 31:36.840 And this is something where I can contribute that indeed there was a reporting which happened from Auschwitz, from Mengele to his 31:38.381 --> 31:40.802 mentor, which was Otmar von Verschuur. 31:41.282 --> 31:48.623 He was a professor in Frankfurt and in Berlin at an institute which was funded by Rockefeller. 31:49.483 --> 31:52.144 So there you have it. 31:52.484 --> 31:53.524 First of all, I apologize. 31:53.824 --> 31:55.244 How was the last name spelled? 31:56.625 --> 31:57.205 Verschuur. 31:57.225 --> 32:01.406 So it's V-E-R-S-C-H-U-E-R. 32:01.426 --> 32:02.526 Otmar. 32:04.071 --> 32:19.543 I am not familiar with that name at all, but you, so Mengele was, and I haven't, I'm not sure Mengele was really a extensively educated virologist or immunologist. 32:19.584 --> 32:28.611 I think he had more of a director role, although I think he was also hands-on, as some people have suggested, but, and he wasn't really that old in World War II either. 32:29.321 --> 32:32.504 I think he was only in his 30s or maybe 40 years old, maybe. 32:32.644 --> 32:33.744 Yeah, yeah. 32:33.845 --> 32:39.189 So he was a very young man when he wrote his dissertation in 1936, I think it was. 32:39.349 --> 32:45.313 And he, as I said, he was a pupil of Otmar von Verschuur, who was a good geneticist. 32:45.633 --> 32:46.654 And of course, this 32:47.995 --> 33:09.257 sorry there you go geneticist that's a key word right exactly so so and there we have we had the connection to the eugenics issue which was at the heart of what vera sharaf and i were researching trying to understand where this came from this belief in you know good genes and bad genes and and and stuff which you want to 33:10.477 --> 33:16.619 promulgate and others which you want to suppress in a population, which was not German. 33:17.719 --> 33:21.980 It comes from basically from Darwin. 33:22.180 --> 33:24.001 So it's a form of social Darwinism. 33:24.481 --> 33:29.082 It's British in essence, but it's spread all around the world. 33:30.049 --> 33:39.535 I was very popular with very, very wealthy people, very powerful people, people we would today maybe call oligarchs. 33:39.855 --> 33:45.779 They wanted and they believed in a superiority of their kind. 33:48.221 --> 33:55.467 then you will have, of course, the Nazis, and I'm far from relativizing any of what the Nazis did. 33:57.108 --> 34:08.057 But it is essential to understand that they did not fall from the sky, that it was a connection which dated back also to connections to Britain. 34:08.758 --> 34:12.141 So Occult History, I can recommend a very good book about 34:13.161 --> 34:29.907 The Empire in Which the Black Sun Never Set, which is by Cynthia Chung, who is Canadian, and who has done extensive research on this whole ideological, but also scientific background of this kind of worldview. 34:29.987 --> 34:40.431 So this is what we were researching when Vera Sharaf said that what is happening now might be something 34:41.593 --> 34:47.798 designed to continue what was left unfinished at the end of World War II. 34:47.838 --> 34:49.139 And these are Vera's words. 34:49.299 --> 34:54.183 It's nothing which I would have ever thought, but Vera is a survivor of the Holocaust. 34:54.783 --> 35:10.035 And as per the presidential commission, so Jimmy Carter in 1979, he installed a commission to give recommendation on proper remembrance of the Holocaust. 35:11.015 --> 35:17.376 and also recommendations on how to best prevent another Holocaust from recurring. 35:17.456 --> 35:22.257 This commission was led by Nobel Laureate Elie Wiesel. 35:22.377 --> 35:37.660 In this report, which they handed to Jimmy Carter in the Rose Garden in 1979, it is said that especially the survivors have a responsibility which they owe to the dead to call out any 35:38.553 --> 35:42.916 danger of anything of that kind ever recurring again. 35:43.136 --> 35:45.838 So this is something which people need to understand. 35:46.778 --> 35:49.700 So it's not at all any trivialization. 35:49.880 --> 36:00.687 It is the survivors themselves who feel entrusted with an obligation to do vigilant observation of what is going on all over the world. 36:01.727 --> 36:08.271 And that's what Vera Sharaf has been doing for all of her life, which I respect immensely. 36:08.611 --> 36:11.933 She's a very, very brave woman. 36:12.474 --> 36:17.397 And I was privileged to work with her for a couple of years. 36:17.477 --> 36:22.800 And I'm still committed to trying to shed light to what has been going on. 36:23.200 --> 36:26.262 Now, going back to what you unearthed, of course, Mark, is 36:26.642 --> 36:32.550 the fact that there have been those connections to the oligarchs from the West 36:33.393 --> 36:43.681 the Rockefellers and others, DuPont, and then all those people who had also close ties to fascism, not only in Germany, but in the US. 36:43.781 --> 36:56.931 I mean, remember the Bankers Plot, the Wall Street Plot, which failed under General Smedley Butler, who was hired to eventually 36:58.032 --> 37:00.274 dethroned Franklin D. Roosevelt. 37:00.454 --> 37:07.540 This is something which is a fact, which has been covered up, as many other things also have been covered up. 37:08.040 --> 37:24.333 One of this has been the connections between the research which was done in Nazi Germany, which came into Nazi Germany from places such as the US, where many eugenic laws had been implemented in the 20s already. 37:25.654 --> 37:27.216 for sterilization and stuff. 37:27.316 --> 37:35.006 And this was continued in a way in Nazi Germany and especially in Auschwitz. 37:35.046 --> 37:39.512 And you have pointed out even the economic dimension of 37:40.413 --> 38:01.568 what that meant, how valuable, I mean, it's very hard for me to use this language, but it's right what you said, because it was in their eyes, so those who did this work and those who funded the work, it was a matter of value for them to do research into understanding 38:03.229 --> 38:08.935 the genetics of life and to draw conclusions for their purposes. 38:09.516 --> 38:16.804 Today, we still don't know exactly what those purposes are, what their goal is, because they never 38:17.759 --> 38:26.342 really speak it out completely, but we can make assumptions and we can make deductions from evidence we find. 38:26.422 --> 38:36.266 And one of these evidences is as regards to Koprowski and people he was involved with, you also mentioned Lederberg, Joshua Lederberg. 38:37.366 --> 38:41.388 And in this respect, I find it very, very interesting that in 1962, 38:43.226 --> 38:53.033 There had been a conference in London, which was organized by the Ciba company, which is a Swiss company that was named... Ciba Geigy. 38:53.493 --> 38:55.294 Ciba Geigy, sometimes they're called. 38:55.454 --> 38:55.734 Right. 38:55.935 --> 39:00.678 And since they've ceased to exist under this name, they are now Novartis. 39:02.300 --> 39:18.398 But Geigy and Sieber were two Swiss companies which merged to Sieber-Geigy, and they have been also heavily involved in dealing with the Nazis and providing all sorts of chemicals and stuff which was also used for the war effort. 39:19.284 --> 39:41.470 And this, just as an aside, this went on with the full knowledge of the Allies, at least with the full knowledge of the Allies intelligence, which of course, as pertains to Europe, was controlled by Alan Dulles, who was the OSS head of operations in Bern. 39:41.750 --> 39:45.311 And he knew all this because he was also a lawyer 39:46.351 --> 39:50.233 And his brother was a lawyer in the firm of Sullivan and Cromwell. 39:50.733 --> 40:01.256 And they had many, many, many investments in German businesses or outright even owned those companies themselves. 40:01.316 --> 40:03.357 So this is the background. 40:03.457 --> 40:07.538 And in 1962, this conference in London was held. 40:09.259 --> 40:28.477 organized by CEBA and in attendance were a number of senior scientists from the, today we'd say life sciences, so biology, medicine, genetics, chemistry, biology, and stuff. 40:29.678 --> 40:31.359 Many of them were Nobel laureates. 40:31.679 --> 40:35.343 Joshua Lederberg was one of them, and he was a very young man at the time. 40:36.306 --> 40:42.834 And he was very well acquainted with Hilary Koprowski, as you also mentioned. 40:44.356 --> 40:50.264 And Lederberg made sure that Koprowski was invited to this conference in London. 40:51.706 --> 40:53.468 You didn't say the name of the conference yet. 40:54.454 --> 40:54.854 I don't think. 40:54.954 --> 40:56.035 Oh, yeah, right. 40:56.215 --> 41:02.838 So the conference, I always call it the SEVA conference, but of course, it is the conference on the future of man, right? 41:02.858 --> 41:14.524 I was wondering if Jay would want to, if there's any slides or any pictures online that Jay would want to show the audience for people who are watching, that would be, I could pull it up here, but Jay may want to show the audience. 41:16.420 --> 41:17.661 Up to you. 41:17.761 --> 41:18.722 Yeah, go ahead. 41:18.762 --> 41:20.183 I mean, anyone can show anything. 41:20.203 --> 41:22.985 I've already enabled the screen if you got something you want to pop up. 41:24.245 --> 41:24.446 Right. 41:24.866 --> 41:26.867 I think I would love to hear more about this conference. 41:27.067 --> 41:27.328 Yeah. 41:27.688 --> 41:28.308 The future. 41:28.388 --> 41:29.949 That's that sounds kind of relevant. 41:30.470 --> 41:30.710 Yeah. 41:30.850 --> 41:31.470 Very ambitious. 41:32.611 --> 41:33.152 Absolutely. 41:33.352 --> 41:33.692 Absolutely. 41:33.732 --> 41:36.574 And this was just just what is it 17 years? 41:38.295 --> 41:43.297 after the end of World War II, where people got together in London. 41:43.377 --> 41:52.261 I apologize, I have not prepared a presentation because it was just very, very short notice when we agreed to jump on a call. 41:53.262 --> 41:56.023 But it's available freely on the Internet. 41:56.083 --> 41:57.164 It's on the Wayback Machine. 41:57.224 --> 42:01.566 The whole proceedings can be found on the Wayback Machine. 42:03.747 --> 42:06.408 The conference title was The Future of Man. 42:07.885 --> 42:15.688 several Nobel laureates, but also other high-ranking officials, so let me see whether I can. 42:15.708 --> 42:22.951 In fact, if people go to Google, if you type in 1962 future of man, how sexist. 42:23.971 --> 42:30.634 The very first hit is the internet archive, the full text of man and his future, a SEBA foundation volume. 42:32.210 --> 42:32.690 Absolutely. 42:33.631 --> 42:37.853 And now my screen is... It's coming up right now. 42:40.715 --> 42:45.157 Well done. 42:45.237 --> 42:47.739 And so Koprowski was in this conference. 42:49.099 --> 42:53.862 And what he said is also very, very interesting, I find. 42:53.882 --> 42:55.403 Oh, there he is. 42:55.783 --> 42:56.143 Nice. 42:56.904 --> 42:57.604 Oh, my gosh. 42:57.664 --> 42:57.964 Wow. 42:58.545 --> 42:59.225 Well done. 43:02.389 --> 43:04.455 Yeah. 43:04.475 --> 43:04.896 Go ahead. 43:04.916 --> 43:05.357 Keep going. 43:05.859 --> 43:06.681 Julian Huxley. 43:07.262 --> 43:08.446 People like to talk about him. 43:09.605 --> 43:09.845 Yeah. 43:10.546 --> 43:20.572 And so you always also say that we want to stay away from what people call conspiracy theories or stuff. 43:20.612 --> 43:32.820 But first of all, we must liberate us from those cliches, which are basically designed to stop critical thinking, right? 43:34.084 --> 43:44.186 We've got to deal, we are dealing with something which is so illogical and so weird in so many ways. 43:44.926 --> 43:48.167 Science is not working the way it should. 43:48.547 --> 43:50.547 Politics is not working the way it should. 43:51.767 --> 44:01.589 Even economics has been thrown out of the window because the whole world economy is going down for something which is 44:02.549 --> 44:03.910 Well, it's nothing really. 44:03.930 --> 44:11.277 There hasn't even been any evidence for spread, as you have pointed out repeatedly. 44:11.758 --> 44:14.060 So therefore, we have to investigate. 44:14.180 --> 44:24.489 And in order to investigate, you have to form hypotheses, which then need to be assessed and analyzed as to their content. 44:24.730 --> 44:26.972 And here we see that this is something 44:27.990 --> 44:40.767 very, very real, where people get together and speak freely about their visions of the future of man with even the issue of population control, 44:42.381 --> 44:56.671 population, how to say, not reduction, they're not saying reduction, but they say that, of course, the growth is something to watch, but to selection, right? 44:56.771 --> 45:06.497 So they are talking about traits which they want to have and want to see in future generations and others which they don't. 45:06.537 --> 45:09.559 And they even speak about what might be possible in 45:11.716 --> 45:16.537 creating men without legs for air travel, space travel and stuff like this. 45:16.557 --> 45:17.997 So this is really, really weird. 45:18.938 --> 45:31.320 And it's been done by most senior scientists who are well respected, or at least who, who command respect, whether they deserve it or not. 45:31.800 --> 45:35.181 And this is something where I was shocked by reading it. 45:35.916 --> 45:51.455 again, 17 years after the end of World War Two, after the Nuremberg Code had been passed, they are talking about this kind of, you know, very, very oligarchic, totalitarian, 45:52.355 --> 45:53.816 dark stuff. 45:53.896 --> 45:59.078 And Koprowski and Joshua Lederberg are involved in that. 45:59.218 --> 46:01.679 Koprowski goes back to World War II. 46:02.179 --> 46:03.079 Lederberg doesn't. 46:04.080 --> 46:17.065 But Lederberg goes into the near past, into the early 2000s, as you have pointed out, Mark, and you, JJ, in your research about his involvement in the whole genetics field. 46:17.125 --> 46:17.945 And this is something 46:19.746 --> 46:21.528 I sit and watch your shows. 46:22.249 --> 46:29.175 My jaw drops every time when I see what you present. 46:29.675 --> 46:32.037 And this is just mind-boggling. 46:32.458 --> 46:39.024 And we have to come to terms with this and find a way to communicate these facts to other people. 46:39.384 --> 46:44.246 Okay, so just to read one little part here of Hilly Koprowski's text. 46:44.606 --> 46:53.549 However, during recent years, two splenologists, which I think are cavers, died in the United States without apparently being exposed to the bite of an animal. 46:53.669 --> 47:08.154 Exposure of animals to inhalation of virus from bat excre in the same caves led to the conclusion that the virus had changed its ways of infecting man and that two men died after breathing the infectious agent. 47:08.974 --> 47:13.378 Holy, holy shit. 47:14.919 --> 47:18.462 Okay, so that's, that's literally, that's pretty shocking. 47:20.584 --> 47:25.027 I don't know what to say other than I guess I have to read that document in its entirety. 47:25.848 --> 47:28.710 Yeah, one has to read it in its entirety. 47:29.030 --> 47:30.972 And also to be to be to be fair. 47:33.119 --> 47:38.003 So the whole proceedings is filled with presentations and discussions. 47:38.664 --> 47:52.015 And these discussions are, you know, they are very extensive and people speak their mind, which in a way is good because it helps us to understand what kind of thinking 47:52.635 --> 47:56.139 prevails in these kind of elite circles. 47:56.619 --> 48:05.368 But it's certainly a thinking which has no respect for human dignity, as it has come to be 48:06.734 --> 48:18.967 written into at least the moral code of the world after World War II in particular, after the atrocities which happened, unfortunately, in the name of my nation. 48:19.027 --> 48:23.952 And this is something which weighs heavy on my mind and which is one reason why I work 48:25.833 --> 48:31.576 on this matter to tell people, look, this is something which is not particularly German. 48:31.936 --> 48:38.779 It is something which is present in some people, and it's not present in other people. 48:39.299 --> 48:50.405 But we have to really make an effort to focus on the dignity, on human dignity, on the irreducible complexity, as you say, JJ, and this is something 48:51.286 --> 49:01.557 which is so important about your work and which is a shame why other people do not respect and cherish this as it should be. 49:02.375 --> 49:03.636 It's really nice of you to say that. 49:03.676 --> 49:11.659 Let me just say something before I hand it over to Mark that makes sure that everybody doesn't think that we're trying to circumlocute the truth without actually speaking it out loud. 49:12.359 --> 49:24.364 But it's become clear to a lot of us, kind of because of Mark's work, because of the work of people like Mr. Alsner, that the story that we've been told, where 49:25.985 --> 49:33.991 lots of people were killed by the Nazis in camps with gas and burnt is a partial story. 49:35.352 --> 49:49.423 And that it would be absolutely almost on its face ridiculous to think that something so valuable as an entire population of people that was destined to be destroyed would not have been used for other purposes first. 49:50.224 --> 49:55.047 And in fact, if you think of this idea and then wonder why 49:55.888 --> 50:01.043 whatever they did was not part of the public sort of 50:02.190 --> 50:03.531 Admissions set of okay. 50:03.551 --> 50:30.088 These people did this and here's the details and you know, these aren't suitable for everybody But there should be a museum somewhere that describes how awful these these things were but instead the details of what was most likely done before Extermination are just wholly missing from this history and it's very creepy that someone like Hillary Kaprowski has the history that he does which includes his early contact with a lot of these people in the 50:30.931 --> 50:42.475 in the infancy of this biological mythology about retroviruses and viruses and pathogens, all these things outside of us that cause cancer and all these other things. 50:43.395 --> 50:46.536 It took a while for this mythology to build up and it really feels like 50:47.216 --> 50:59.066 people that Mark has identified, particularly intriguing to me is Alice E. Moore, but also Hilary Kaprowski, you really start to see a frightening continuity. 50:59.086 --> 51:04.350 It doesn't take very many people to sustain these ideas if all these people look up to the same people. 51:04.390 --> 51:04.971 Go ahead, Mark. 51:07.653 --> 51:10.635 First of all, fantastic discovery. 51:12.337 --> 51:16.200 There are papers out there that demonstrate or 51:17.488 --> 51:31.119 provide an exhibit that Kaprowski and Joshua Lederberg, being amongst the other leaders and thought leaders, if you will, in their fields, had collaboration. 51:33.661 --> 51:44.530 Amongst the archives, which we will never get full access to, supposedly there are boxes between of collaboration of notes and whatever, and that's just what was shared between those two scientists. 51:45.490 --> 51:52.614 But Lederberg was known to be quite prolific in his writings, and he had extensive communication with a lot of people. 51:53.215 --> 51:56.016 Whether or not he wrote all of it himself, we'll never know. 51:57.037 --> 51:58.718 He is known to be a wordsmith. 51:58.758 --> 52:00.919 He created a lot of the words we use. 52:01.840 --> 52:04.622 The word microbiome is Hilary Koprowski's word. 52:05.982 --> 52:08.664 The word plasmid is Hilary Koprowski's word. 52:08.844 --> 52:10.125 He invented all these words. 52:10.940 --> 52:12.781 He was just, he just loved words. 52:13.342 --> 52:19.566 So, and I think there's a bunch of other ones, key words that people hang their whole reputation on. 52:20.007 --> 52:38.179 You know, we're not gonna make this a negative show about, or a critical show of some people, but when it comes to plasmids, a lot of the language, for example, like Dr. Kevin McKernan would use, is language created from fragments, no pun intended, that came out of the suggestions of Joshua Lederberg. 52:38.199 --> 52:38.740 Now, if I may, 52:39.571 --> 52:40.872 This conference is fascinating. 52:40.892 --> 52:42.173 First of all, there's two big names. 52:42.193 --> 52:43.354 There's a lot of big names, OK? 52:43.834 --> 52:46.836 Between Julian Huxley and Hermann Muller. 52:47.517 --> 52:51.060 Both of these were, of course, leading geneticists. 52:51.160 --> 52:53.081 Muller was more of an actual scientist. 52:53.141 --> 53:00.226 Huxley was more into just the thinking, whiteboarding, where can future mankind go, et cetera. 53:01.467 --> 53:03.709 They both were involved with 53:05.945 --> 53:08.187 This is an overly used term. 53:08.227 --> 53:19.633 I don't know what else to say, but elite circles in the 1920s and 1930s about eugenics and about life extension and evolution. 53:21.054 --> 53:23.255 It was seen throughout that time. 53:23.275 --> 53:27.578 I was looking for a book called Radium and the Secret of Life. 53:28.522 --> 53:46.514 It well documents that era between 1910 and 1940, where they had discovered radium, they discovered x-rays, they had misunderstandings that they thought were, they actually thought they saw evidence that radiation could mutate flies, and maybe radiation could improve people. 53:46.614 --> 53:48.935 It could improve our genetics somehow. 53:49.396 --> 53:53.858 In reality, they were just poisoning the flies, and they were growing in weird ways. 53:53.898 --> 53:57.821 They really weren't having any real genetic impact, but it got people thinking. 53:59.170 --> 54:06.818 So these are two giants with respect to the advancing and wanting to pour more money into genetics. 54:07.299 --> 54:14.226 I think Muller was one of the mentors of Sagan, I believe, many years ago. 54:14.246 --> 54:14.326 It's 54:15.612 --> 54:16.932 We've covered this a lot. 54:17.673 --> 54:28.917 Now, with Joshua Lederberg there in 1962, it was sometime in the 1960s that Lederberg created another word called euphenics, E-U-P-H-E-N-I-C-S. 54:31.558 --> 54:33.698 Very few people know about this word. 54:33.758 --> 54:43.862 It's so important though, because it shows the mindset and that they really were thinking about what they thought was their problem to solve, which is to live longer and improve humans. 54:44.867 --> 55:03.964 Lederberg had done the math, and he knew that even if we could do selective breeding, it would take, and even if selective breeding works as some people think it does, and there's some questions about that also, it would take tens of thousands of years. 55:04.744 --> 55:05.885 It would take so long. 55:06.005 --> 55:11.430 I mean, just look at the time that a female can start to have children, how many children they would need to have. 55:13.345 --> 55:16.366 Lederberg realized that was just not going to be possible. 55:17.006 --> 55:17.646 Are we still live? 55:17.666 --> 55:18.687 Yes. 55:18.727 --> 55:19.227 Yeah, we are. 55:19.447 --> 55:20.287 Sorry, he just took the screen. 55:20.307 --> 55:20.607 It's good. 55:20.627 --> 55:25.368 Now we're gonna be possible to improve the human race through selective breeding. 55:26.189 --> 55:29.350 Now, he didn't come out and speak against population controls. 55:29.390 --> 55:33.611 In fact, there's an IBM Journal article in the 1960s where he was still very much for that. 55:33.671 --> 55:41.433 But what he saw was that it was important to advance the field of genetics because through the field of genetics, 55:42.191 --> 55:54.742 understand how the code of life works, how the machinery of life works, then maybe you can impact it and change the way the people who are alive right now are functioning. 55:56.023 --> 56:04.791 Whether it's through diet, whether it's through some enzyme, whether it's through some augmentation of genetic code, 56:05.726 --> 56:18.357 Lederberg wanted that pursued more, and he wanted more money put into genetics, but not just to know how people work from scratch, if you will, bootstrapping them, but how can you impact the life of the people that are here now? 56:18.958 --> 56:24.142 And I suspect that that would have been something he would have spoken about at that conference. 56:24.202 --> 56:31.989 So while the eugenics angle, which is absolutely true, I mean, it's clear as day that there were discussions, 56:34.304 --> 56:48.094 presentations done by Hermann Muller, by Huxley, about some people are inferior, some races are inferior, some people are born with defects, you need to get rid of them, you need to clear the genetic pool, the earth is limited in resources. 56:48.955 --> 56:54.419 I don't think they had good enough proof of it, so they advocated for these things. 56:54.479 --> 57:00.484 But Lederberg, while he might have also believed in that stuff, there's no question about it, 57:01.363 --> 57:08.669 He was also looking for more realistic ways of attaining some of those things. 57:08.709 --> 57:10.990 So I think he was aware of euphenics. 57:11.631 --> 57:12.772 That's his word, matter of fact. 57:13.895 --> 57:16.297 I don't know if you actually defined it yet, though. 57:16.477 --> 57:18.318 If you did, I was reading while you said it. 57:18.358 --> 57:19.078 Can you say it again? 57:19.138 --> 57:19.819 What is euphenics? 57:19.979 --> 57:37.309 Euphenics is instead of simply improving the human race or improving life by selective breeding, it's actually understanding how the machinery and code of life works in a way that you can improve it, prove the life that's living now. 57:39.033 --> 57:42.194 via enzymes, via food, via maybe. 57:42.314 --> 57:44.074 Okay, I get it now, thank you. 57:44.154 --> 57:45.194 Viral viruses. 57:45.514 --> 57:46.175 Yeah, I see. 57:46.275 --> 57:56.357 Whatever, the culmination of all of those things, because there's just never gonna be enough time to improve the race in a way through no other means other than selective breeding. 57:57.977 --> 58:01.798 So it doesn't mean that he's a good guy, because that's a more kind way to approach it. 58:02.618 --> 58:05.499 It just shows that he was thinking, how is this more, 58:08.491 --> 58:13.334 how do we make that goal of life extension and improvement more achievable? 58:14.554 --> 58:15.815 So he was pursuing that. 58:15.875 --> 58:35.925 I think it's an important word that probably, as you're implying, gets purposely obfuscated behind the broader term eugenics so that people don't understand that they had thought about the nuances here and they realize that these might even be two different goals or two different sets of experiments. 58:35.965 --> 58:37.606 And so I think it's really important to bring it up. 58:38.186 --> 58:40.547 And to his credit, he was highlighting that. 58:40.987 --> 58:48.789 Again, I sometimes say that I'll offer a compliment to someone, and it does not mean that I'm morally justifying it, okay? 58:48.849 --> 58:55.690 I'm just trying to understand why they were thinking what they were thinking with the values that they had. 58:56.610 --> 58:58.831 But to his credit, in this case, he wasn't 58:59.724 --> 59:02.005 he felt there was a need to differentiate it. 59:02.085 --> 59:03.206 And he did so publicly. 59:03.706 --> 59:07.628 There's multiple US newspaper articles highlighting that word. 59:07.668 --> 59:11.109 So he kind of almost wanted that word out there in a way. 59:12.070 --> 59:21.094 It also goes to show how this crowd of scientists feel as though they are really that far above everyone else. 59:21.114 --> 59:23.555 They're no longer in the mud with the rest of us. 59:23.595 --> 59:25.956 They're making decisions, they're dictating. 59:27.890 --> 59:27.950 of 59:35.501 --> 59:37.741 It just goes really bad, really fast. 59:38.121 --> 59:41.682 Whoa, what are you showing us here, Uwe? 59:42.022 --> 59:43.582 Is that a, wow. 59:43.662 --> 59:47.223 Yeah, so I apologize for sharing the screen. 59:47.243 --> 59:52.144 I didn't know what would happen if I, I just wanted to prepare it for when Mark was finished. 59:52.184 --> 01:00:03.326 But I just tried to just search my notes and for Herman Moore, who was in London, and Mengele, and for sure. 01:00:04.666 --> 01:00:17.018 So there's this book here, The Nazi Connection, Eugenics, American Racism, and German National Socialism from 1994, which I have here done an excerpt into my notes. 01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:23.824 And there it says that for sure, so he is the mentor of Mengele, he wrote 01:00:24.264 --> 01:00:35.186 to Herman Muller after the war, because he was whinging and complaining about his life of deprivation, and he wanted, you know, to restore our science. 01:00:35.266 --> 01:00:43.788 And there, I think, what you said is right about the language and about the differentiation, which is, of course, happening constantly. 01:00:44.208 --> 01:00:46.368 Remember, eugenics is a very old term. 01:00:47.429 --> 01:00:48.949 It is a very discredited term. 01:00:49.870 --> 01:01:00.482 And they were constantly trying to rephrase their doing in terms which are acceptable and palatable to people. 01:01:01.286 --> 01:01:02.687 whom they couldn't avoid, right? 01:01:02.807 --> 01:01:09.031 And we also need to be aware that those proceedings are those which were published. 01:01:10.952 --> 01:01:18.797 We must certainly assume that the real discussion, not everything which was discussed, will go into the proceedings. 01:01:18.837 --> 01:01:23.660 So therefore, there's also this difference between what is said 01:01:24.640 --> 01:01:25.640 and what is reported. 01:01:27.241 --> 01:01:31.042 But behind all this is, I think, is the clear continuity. 01:01:31.082 --> 01:01:43.525 And that's what Vera Sharaf has taught me, the continuity of a kind of thinking of, you know, superiority, biological superiority, by whatever means. 01:01:45.306 --> 01:01:52.968 And certainly, nobody can do it like the Nazis did anyway, after this has happened. 01:01:53.568 --> 01:02:08.277 But they didn't let go of certain concepts of directionality and design and stuff, which is incompatible with basic concepts of a national and personal sovereignty. 01:02:08.397 --> 01:02:12.240 And this is something which you have been pointing out, both of you have been pointing out. 01:02:13.340 --> 01:02:31.686 the whole time, which has also led you into conflict with other organizations and other people who are doing, well, doing work in some places, but are keeping quiet at others, which is really a shame because this is a 01:02:33.626 --> 01:02:39.769 As Vera said, and I believe it's true, it is a very, very existential question. 01:02:40.510 --> 01:02:49.314 We are being called to understand what is going on, what is continuing to happen, notwithstanding the terms which are being used. 01:02:49.354 --> 01:02:51.416 So today we're talking about transhumanism, right? 01:02:51.456 --> 01:02:59.480 It's totally different, but it's not so different after all, because it also combines the thinking of eugenics, euphanics, 01:03:00.598 --> 01:03:16.760 And, and the, what's it called the technocracy and, and making the word Norbert Wiener coined it for for this, this 01:03:18.562 --> 01:03:19.663 It will come to me in a moment. 01:03:20.183 --> 01:03:35.912 So where they really think they can direct whole societies on a technical level, which is why they are implementing all this hardware in our streets in Germany, everything is being connected today. 01:03:36.813 --> 01:03:39.374 It has nothing to do with cost-effectiveness. 01:03:39.714 --> 01:03:40.755 Everything is connected. 01:03:41.495 --> 01:03:49.342 because they want to really go into everyone's houses and turn on and turn off everything which they see fit. 01:03:49.402 --> 01:03:54.586 And this is something which is now possible on a technical level. 01:03:55.326 --> 01:03:58.189 It would have happened earlier had it been possible earlier. 01:03:58.209 --> 01:03:59.590 I'm very sure. 01:03:59.610 --> 01:04:10.779 Yeah, I would agree with that in general as well, that I think actually this operation has progressed pretty much in relation to the availability of the technology to be rolled out. 01:04:11.801 --> 01:04:15.782 I mean, that's why they didn't do it in the 80s. 01:04:15.902 --> 01:04:16.503 They weren't ready. 01:04:17.843 --> 01:04:20.804 And yeah, go ahead, Mark. 01:04:20.904 --> 01:04:24.745 In the 1980s, did they believe that they needed to do that, though? 01:04:26.526 --> 01:04:39.911 There were a lot of population reduction plans throughout the 1980s in various governments, which were not necessarily compatible with a worldview that we're going to need a lot of people to monitor. 01:04:41.957 --> 01:04:59.080 I'm currently going down a field where the speculation I believe is true is that it was perhaps hoped that there wouldn't need to be monitoring of everyone to figure it out. 01:04:59.180 --> 01:05:04.521 That maybe let's get rid of this excess population and with enough computers and enough animals, we'll figure it out. 01:05:05.982 --> 01:05:07.102 And maybe at some point, 01:05:07.691 --> 01:05:26.205 And these are the types of things that become more and more visible when you really understand the nature of something like the antibody patent paradox, where it's not just the fact that there's a lot of different antibodies, it's the fact that there's a galactic range of proteins made almost to the individual level. 01:05:27.206 --> 01:05:37.274 So with this much, with this many different responses to things, with that much, so much being unknown, 01:05:38.733 --> 01:05:45.137 I think that at some point it became clear like, you know, we've started our population reduction program. 01:05:45.718 --> 01:05:56.625 It's going to be very successful now because we have, you know, decreasing levels of population with each generation, which is something, as we see in Japan, very hard to escape. 01:05:59.287 --> 01:06:01.188 The world may never hit this population again. 01:06:01.969 --> 01:06:08.153 And we've just come to the conclusion that what we actually need, we believe, to attain this mission is more people. 01:06:09.281 --> 01:06:10.081 This is not good. 01:06:11.342 --> 01:06:23.369 No time like the present to have the big pandemic and to really get to new medicine, to get to new monitoring, to double down on selling the capabilities of this. 01:06:24.030 --> 01:06:29.113 Again, this is speculation and action here. 01:06:29.173 --> 01:06:37.218 We don't have the answers, but I'm feeling very good about working with Jonathan and you, Uwe, and other people that are at least willing to put forth 01:06:38.557 --> 01:06:46.505 explanations that make sense as opposed to Satanism and, you know, just crazy simple things. 01:06:47.385 --> 01:06:57.595 And I think that one of the reasons why we've been so productive here is we've been really kicking out and keeping our distance from the stupid possibilities, narrow it down to things that make sense. 01:06:57.655 --> 01:07:04.481 And then really, you know, none of us really have, it's, 01:07:05.925 --> 01:07:10.049 We're all unified and just wanting to come up with the right answer, whichever one that is. 01:07:14.233 --> 01:07:18.817 So terminology, I came up with the term I was missing earlier. 01:07:18.897 --> 01:07:20.238 It's cybernetics, of course, right? 01:07:20.278 --> 01:07:32.049 So cybernetics is the ideology of a directed evolution of a society, of a whole economy, a world economy, basically. 01:07:32.949 --> 01:07:36.291 And so this is tied to technocracy. 01:07:36.311 --> 01:07:38.592 This is tied to fascism. 01:07:40.413 --> 01:07:46.376 And it's also tied to oligarchies because you mentioned Satanists, right? 01:07:46.736 --> 01:07:50.698 This is something which, of course, triggers many people. 01:07:51.819 --> 01:07:57.023 because they are not at all familiar with thinking along those lines. 01:07:57.523 --> 01:08:08.031 However, we must understand that occult practices have been and still continue to be around and it is provable 01:08:09.274 --> 01:08:14.497 And it also pertains to institutions like the Vatican. 01:08:14.998 --> 01:08:34.089 So oligarchies, you can draw a line and I recommend the work of Cynthia Chang and Matthew Aratt about it, who have really highlighted the continuity of oligarchical structures continuing over millennia. 01:08:35.758 --> 01:08:47.905 very precisely until the present, which will then eventually help us understand why, for example, the brilliant U.S. 01:08:47.945 --> 01:08:51.207 Constitution is under threat today. 01:08:52.028 --> 01:09:05.076 Because the United States revolution, the revolution in the colonies and the formation of the United States has been one of the very, very, very few blows delivered 01:09:05.788 --> 01:09:11.550 to the prevailing oligarchy of the time to the one world government of the time, which was the British Empire. 01:09:12.230 --> 01:09:15.231 And they have never, never forgiven. 01:09:15.251 --> 01:09:20.832 Can I just say that you are the only foreigner I've ever heard say those words before. 01:09:21.172 --> 01:09:22.092 The only foreigner. 01:09:22.252 --> 01:09:27.194 I've never heard any other foreigner on the internet say that fundamental fact. 01:09:27.334 --> 01:09:28.034 It's incredible. 01:09:28.911 --> 01:09:38.573 Well, but I have not been able to understand it myself until very recently after reading Matthew Aratt and Cynthia and others. 01:09:40.513 --> 01:09:50.675 Anton Chaitkin, for example, is a brilliant historian who explains the history of the United States in a Republican tradition. 01:09:51.476 --> 01:09:58.437 And we must understand that they tried to overthrow the world with war. 01:09:59.577 --> 01:10:07.258 The Nazi experience, World War II, was an indication that this was not going to happen. 01:10:07.598 --> 01:10:08.859 This was not going to happen. 01:10:08.899 --> 01:10:11.379 People were not going along with that. 01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:14.640 So they had to come up with other means. 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:20.501 And now the biosecurity dogma is one way they are trying this. 01:10:20.521 --> 01:10:27.382 They had tried before with the free trade dogma, but people were willing to go to the streets about that as well. 01:10:28.042 --> 01:10:41.469 because it is not in the interest of nations, of individuals, of sovereign nations to have free trade imposed upon them, which only benefits those who are strong, right? 01:10:41.870 --> 01:10:52.595 If you are in a position where you want to develop your economy, you need some form of protection until you are ready to embark in open competition. 01:10:52.916 --> 01:10:54.837 This is common sense, right? 01:10:55.477 --> 01:10:57.058 And so what they did is 01:10:58.610 --> 01:11:02.553 anti-Americanism has been a ploy. 01:11:03.134 --> 01:11:17.246 They have the British, I'm sorry, forgive me for oversimplifying here, but the British Empire has done everything they could ever since Vietnam, Korea maybe even. 01:11:18.146 --> 01:11:28.012 Maybe even as early as 1946, when Stalin, when Churchill spoke about the Iron Curtain, they understood, which, by the way, was a Nazi invention. 01:11:28.052 --> 01:11:36.557 The Nazis invented this as a life insurance to be protected, to help against the bad commies, right? 01:11:37.157 --> 01:11:38.678 And I'm not saying communism is good. 01:11:38.778 --> 01:11:42.460 I'm not saying that's what I'm saying. 01:11:42.500 --> 01:11:44.962 I'm saying is that this has been 01:11:45.902 --> 01:11:46.362 employed. 01:11:46.382 --> 01:11:49.023 So divide and conquer is one way of looking at this. 01:11:49.503 --> 01:12:14.052 But the British Empire has politely and diplomatically retreated to the background and let the US do the dirty work all over the world, which makes America, which gives America a bad name, when in fact, America has been the only successful democratic, republican, humanist, 01:12:18.673 --> 01:12:20.755 foundation of a nation ever. 01:12:22.916 --> 01:12:23.797 And this is a threat. 01:12:23.897 --> 01:12:25.098 And this is under threat now. 01:12:25.418 --> 01:12:32.784 And therefore, I also applaud you, JJ and Mark for calling out this WHO scaremongering. 01:12:33.004 --> 01:12:33.745 Yes, of course. 01:12:34.685 --> 01:12:36.467 It's not good what they are doing over there. 01:12:37.375 --> 01:12:45.864 But it's detracting from you, like you said, JJ, to call for a Seventh Amendment violation in America. 01:12:45.984 --> 01:12:47.846 You have the means to do this. 01:12:47.866 --> 01:12:49.948 The Constitution is so strong. 01:12:50.229 --> 01:12:56.415 If you in America are focusing on the WHO, you are playing into their hands. 01:12:57.136 --> 01:13:00.537 This is something which is not the problem from your point of view. 01:13:00.577 --> 01:13:02.238 From our point of view, it is, right? 01:13:02.398 --> 01:13:04.279 In Europe, it is very different. 01:13:04.299 --> 01:13:05.660 We don't have a strong constitution. 01:13:05.700 --> 01:13:10.061 Germany, in fact, has, I mean, there's still two Germanies existing. 01:13:10.722 --> 01:13:15.904 Can you believe the German Reich still exists underneath the Federal Republic of Germany? 01:13:17.017 --> 01:13:28.671 What this means isn't even clear to me in its totality because I'm not a lawyer, but certainly the German Supreme Court, the Constitutional Court, ruled a number of times that the German Reich still 01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:43.646 is inexistent, which must mean that all the rights of the allies will still hold for the German Reich, which is this area underneath the German Federal Republic. 01:13:44.207 --> 01:13:44.547 Okay. 01:13:44.927 --> 01:13:55.152 Which explains why we have to take and swallow that drones are being directed from out of Rammstein. 01:13:55.972 --> 01:13:56.192 Okay. 01:13:56.232 --> 01:13:58.193 And no German Chancellor can do anything about it. 01:13:59.502 --> 01:14:03.405 This is a fact, but it's a fact which is not very well known. 01:14:03.445 --> 01:14:04.926 They don't want us to talk about this. 01:14:05.687 --> 01:14:05.947 Wow. 01:14:06.127 --> 01:14:07.929 So that's a whole other can of worms. 01:14:07.969 --> 01:14:08.569 Go ahead, Mark. 01:14:10.031 --> 01:14:19.799 I have a question, and I think feel free to spend as much time as you need on it for you, Jüge. 01:14:23.973 --> 01:14:37.846 You have, relative to most, a pretty solid understanding of a lot of different dates, leaders, probably military conflicts during World War II, Germany, of course. 01:14:39.306 --> 01:14:54.411 Do you see anything that suggests that sometime between, I don't know, end of 1941 and 1942, there was a potential discontinuity or a change in the way some of these prisoner camps were seen? 01:14:55.572 --> 01:15:04.155 Because I have very little understanding, but I never realized this, but because you listen to my shows, you've heard me vocalize it. 01:15:05.038 --> 01:15:11.343 The camp at Auschwitz was for the most part for war prisoners, political prisoners. 01:15:12.004 --> 01:15:27.817 Of course, they were punishing people who they suspected of espionage and foreign spies and not necessarily great things, but it falls into the camp of pedestrian, you know, prisoner camps during the war, right? 01:15:28.358 --> 01:15:31.180 And then its nature changed quite dramatically. 01:15:33.115 --> 01:15:36.556 with the construction and the way it operated in 1942 and afterwards. 01:15:36.736 --> 01:15:45.579 Have you seen or ever thought like there was a weird disconnect, like how the prisoners changed and who might've been involved in that? 01:15:45.599 --> 01:15:52.981 Because if I'm crazy to speculate it, that something happened there, then I have to stop. 01:15:53.001 --> 01:15:54.722 So I'm just wondering what your thoughts were on this. 01:15:56.142 --> 01:15:58.603 To be honest, no, I haven't looked into this at all. 01:15:59.605 --> 01:16:14.534 And there are several reasons for this, but the most important one is that it is very, very difficult for any German to just make thought experiments about what it really was we are dealing with. 01:16:14.634 --> 01:16:18.596 Because we are under, well, I mean, it is, 01:16:20.505 --> 01:16:26.246 you are violating the constitution if you are relativizing the Holocaust. 01:16:26.486 --> 01:16:31.627 And people say that thinking about what was there is already doing this. 01:16:32.327 --> 01:16:36.988 Even if you're not questioning at all arrests, you're not questioning. 01:16:38.048 --> 01:16:42.209 You're just trying to understand the nature of things. 01:16:42.229 --> 01:16:44.030 You're not even allowed that. 01:16:44.870 --> 01:16:45.030 No. 01:16:45.150 --> 01:16:45.350 Well, 01:16:46.144 --> 01:16:47.806 you're not well advised to do this. 01:16:48.287 --> 01:16:50.509 This has to be done from outside of Germany. 01:16:51.010 --> 01:17:03.886 And this is why I was so motivated to help someone like Vera Sharif because she is a person who can say this without having the slightest 01:17:05.023 --> 01:17:11.185 slightest danger of being labeled antisemitic, Holocaust denying. 01:17:11.225 --> 01:17:18.547 I mean, yes, they even tried this, but that's ridiculous because it will just blow up in the faces of people who do this. 01:17:20.248 --> 01:17:30.471 But it is unfortunate that this area, but to give you another perspective of this, so the Nazis were defeated. 01:17:32.145 --> 01:17:33.626 But the Nazis prevailed. 01:17:34.287 --> 01:17:35.248 What do I mean by this? 01:17:35.668 --> 01:17:39.311 The Nazis were also foreign Nazis. 01:17:40.132 --> 01:17:57.848 Some were even members of the Nazi party, such as Prince Bernard of the Netherlands, who went on with Prince Philip of England to found the World Wildlife Fund for Nature and create the whole sustainability climate hoax. 01:17:59.224 --> 01:18:01.325 He, Bernard, was an SS officer. 01:18:01.565 --> 01:18:02.346 He even was German. 01:18:02.986 --> 01:18:06.147 He married into the Dutch royalty. 01:18:06.748 --> 01:18:07.948 He was an SS officer. 01:18:08.749 --> 01:18:18.674 He was very instrumental in aborting the Allied landing at Eindhoven in September of 1944. 01:18:21.269 --> 01:18:37.074 So there was a huge Allied landing with, I think, 30,000 paratroopers going down over the Northwest of Holland, so Eindhoven, Arnhem, the sole area. 01:18:37.514 --> 01:18:38.754 Why would they go there? 01:18:39.014 --> 01:18:45.196 Because from there, it's very, very short route to go to the industrial heartland of Germany. 01:18:45.676 --> 01:18:48.417 Had they succeeded in taking 01:18:49.375 --> 01:18:53.018 number of bridges which they had to take and they unfortunately failed. 01:18:53.619 --> 01:18:57.202 The war would have been over by winter of 1944. 01:18:58.263 --> 01:19:00.925 So by Christmas of 1944, everything would have been over. 01:19:01.846 --> 01:19:13.336 This operation failed because the Nazi Abwehr got wind of what was happening by way of a double agent from the Dutch, Christian Lindemans, who was sent over 01:19:14.736 --> 01:19:31.949 who had already been apprehended by the British counter intelligence because they figured that he was fishy because he had been surviving operations where everyone else got killed before and only he survived miraculously. 01:19:33.009 --> 01:19:41.115 They had already apprehended him and Prince Bernhard demanded that this man be released in September of 1944. 01:19:42.819 --> 01:19:49.943 to be sent over to Eindhoven to alert the Dutch resistance to the impending operation. 01:19:50.343 --> 01:19:51.364 He did not go there. 01:19:51.564 --> 01:19:59.649 He went to the Germans, betrayed the operation, and many thousands of lives were lost at Arnhem. 01:19:59.769 --> 01:20:06.953 Bilderberg, which is, of course, conspiracy theory, Bilderberg is a place just outside of Arnhem. 01:20:08.554 --> 01:20:11.416 It is an eyesight of where 01:20:12.321 --> 01:20:26.644 the brave Allied soldiers lost their lives in a three-day meat grind from German tanks with just very light armor or non-armor at all. 01:20:27.364 --> 01:20:29.664 It's in eyesight where the Bilderberg Hotel is. 01:20:30.385 --> 01:20:40.107 Prince Bernard had the audacity to call the first meeting of the Bilderberg Group 10 years after this right there. 01:20:42.831 --> 01:20:57.016 One piece of information which is missing in this is that, of course, the Germans knew that they were losing in August of 1944, just weeks before the separation was due to go ahead. 01:20:59.011 --> 01:21:05.013 In August of 1944, in Strasbourg, there was a meeting, which is well documented even in congressional records. 01:21:05.493 --> 01:21:05.773 U.S. 01:21:05.813 --> 01:21:08.914 Congress has heard this evidence right after the war. 01:21:09.494 --> 01:21:18.437 There was a meeting where the captains of German industry were summoned by the SS, and they were told that until then it had been a capital crime 01:21:19.562 --> 01:21:30.966 to extra, how do you say, to ship abroad, to expedite assets, money, patents, anything. 01:21:31.587 --> 01:21:34.708 You would be hanged if you did this. 01:21:35.128 --> 01:21:35.788 It was treason. 01:21:36.268 --> 01:21:39.770 After that meeting, it was an order to do just that. 01:21:39.910 --> 01:21:48.073 So they started to ship assets abroad, particularly to South America, South America, Mangala, and many others. 01:21:49.482 --> 01:21:51.564 This happened in August of 1944. 01:21:52.024 --> 01:21:57.028 They needed a couple of months to complete the mission. 01:21:58.710 --> 01:22:04.335 Had the Allies succeeded in September of 1944, this whole operation would have ended. 01:22:06.196 --> 01:22:10.460 They would not have succeeded in getting the money out of Germany. 01:22:11.266 --> 01:22:13.668 which eventually they did to a very large extent. 01:22:14.288 --> 01:22:16.950 So this is where I say the Nazis survived. 01:22:17.150 --> 01:22:18.071 There were many Nazis. 01:22:18.371 --> 01:22:25.456 Some of those Nazis even managed to survive and get into the next German government, the democratically elected German government. 01:22:25.976 --> 01:22:31.320 We had a head of the chancellor's office, which is the chief of staff in the White House. 01:22:32.383 --> 01:22:33.144 Who was a Nazi? 01:22:33.464 --> 01:22:37.367 Who wrote the commentary of the population laws in 1935? 01:22:37.788 --> 01:22:40.190 He became the head of the chancellor's office. 01:22:40.650 --> 01:22:48.757 The chancellor himself, Konrad Adenauer, his wife was a sister of the wife of John J. McCloy. 01:22:49.018 --> 01:22:53.662 John J. McCloy was a Wall Street banker and later became commissioner of Allied 01:22:55.542 --> 01:22:57.303 operations in Germany. 01:22:57.503 --> 01:23:02.024 And Adenauer was handpicked to be Chancellor of Germany. 01:23:02.504 --> 01:23:06.484 And he was in the hand of John J. McCloy and the Americans. 01:23:07.445 --> 01:23:09.665 And his office was run by a Nazi. 01:23:10.445 --> 01:23:16.246 There was Reinhard Gehlen, who was head of Abwehr with regards to the East. 01:23:16.886 --> 01:23:18.767 So Fremde Heere Ost was Reinhard Gehlen. 01:23:18.807 --> 01:23:19.247 He was a general. 01:23:21.084 --> 01:23:32.106 And he was hired by Ellen Dulles, and he built the German intelligence service, so BND, Bundesnachrichtendienst, the CIA equivalent. 01:23:32.446 --> 01:23:32.986 He built it. 01:23:33.746 --> 01:23:47.209 And the two, Globke, so the head of the chancellor's office, and Gehlen, they met until the late 60s to discuss personnel in the German administration and academia. 01:23:48.678 --> 01:24:03.408 So they even managed to handpick those historians who were charged with working through the mess which was left in the archives. 01:24:03.488 --> 01:24:12.514 And of course, nothing really was understood because those people were the wrong people who sat there. 01:24:12.975 --> 01:24:17.778 They hanged a few small guys and the rest, they got a free pass. 01:24:18.482 --> 01:24:21.224 And then eventually, they were too old and died. 01:24:21.825 --> 01:24:31.634 But this went on until the late 60s, which means that until the 90s, people were put in places by those guys. 01:24:33.215 --> 01:24:37.519 And this has been handling academia in Germany. 01:24:40.563 --> 01:24:48.189 I mean, just an anecdote to kind of bring you back to where you started about how hard it is for you as a German to work on these subjects. 01:24:49.310 --> 01:24:54.353 When I moved to the Netherlands in 2002, I can't remember exactly what year it was after that. 01:24:54.373 --> 01:24:55.154 It could have even been 2002. 01:24:56.815 --> 01:25:13.362 when the World Cup was going on and Germany was competing and the Netherlands, the Dutch people were doing news broadcasts about how this was the first time that they ever saw Germans fly the German flag since they surrendered in World War II. 01:25:13.382 --> 01:25:14.403 It was like notable 01:25:15.123 --> 01:25:20.830 that they were finally able to express some form of nationalism, even if it was just for their football team. 01:25:21.350 --> 01:25:24.334 And so the country of the Netherlands noticed this. 01:25:24.354 --> 01:25:34.866 And then the second thing I want to say is that, I don't know, you're probably aware of it because you live over there, but this story of the dirt and the skeletons in the closet of the royal family of the Dutch 01:25:36.327 --> 01:25:43.511 royal family is now becoming public, I think, in a very controlled and obvious fashion. 01:25:44.592 --> 01:25:45.752 And it's very convenient. 01:25:45.792 --> 01:26:00.080 It's kind of the same undermining the faith and nationalism of the Netherlands by, you know, conveniently releasing this shameful history at a time when they want to undermine the nationalism of every country in Europe. 01:26:01.301 --> 01:26:05.384 I feel like we should try to wrap up though, so if you don't mind. 01:26:05.524 --> 01:26:11.688 One important detail in this, Jay, because it pertains to what happened to Mike Eden. 01:26:12.729 --> 01:26:24.097 This nationalism, which was indeed, it was quite refreshing to see Germans embrace their nation in a sound way in the early 2000s. 01:26:24.117 --> 01:26:24.317 Today, 01:26:26.903 --> 01:26:33.266 I believe that this was maybe even a start of a direction. 01:26:33.847 --> 01:26:50.696 Maybe not, but Mark, you have said that stuff happened in the early 2000s with regards to the World Trade Center, which also has possibly some connection to what is happening now, because stuff couldn't happen then, which maybe they're trying to pull off now. 01:26:51.374 --> 01:27:01.042 Anyway, so the German nationalism at the moment, Germany is again fearing a resurgence of the far right of nationalism. 01:27:01.442 --> 01:27:01.782 Okay. 01:27:02.523 --> 01:27:14.673 And this is something which is connected to this because we have been, we have been spun so extremely that today we have, again, we have a 01:27:15.940 --> 01:27:35.237 a nationalist opposition, Alternative für Deutschland, Alternative for Germany, which has been allowed to be the only opposition in the German parliament during COVID, which makes you think, okay, just this one party, and they held the speeches which every decent politician should have held. 01:27:37.399 --> 01:27:38.760 But so this 01:27:40.307 --> 01:27:49.633 brought a huge popular vote, in the polls at least, to this group. 01:27:52.194 --> 01:27:55.817 Come November last year, we see, first of all, 01:27:57.132 --> 01:28:05.021 reports of, of course, fake far-right conspiracies of Wannsee-Konferenz and stuff. 01:28:05.422 --> 01:28:14.532 But we also see in the German Bundestag the same parliamentary group censoring Mike Yeadon because he had the guts to say 01:28:15.293 --> 01:28:18.054 that there was no spread and that it is something else. 01:28:18.214 --> 01:28:26.078 And we don't know exactly what it is, but we should also think about the central bankers and we should think about digital money and all this stuff. 01:28:26.158 --> 01:28:28.979 And this was censored by this very opposition party. 01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:33.121 And they are dividing Germany right along those lines at the moment. 01:28:34.402 --> 01:28:40.264 And the Gaza conflict is just another topping on this devilish cake. 01:28:40.945 --> 01:28:41.345 I'm sorry. 01:28:42.194 --> 01:28:54.567 Jay, you have a phrase like, why would we need to have all of these psychological operations if the truth was just out there? 01:28:55.448 --> 01:29:03.036 Now, if we just had spreading pathogens that were risk additive happening all the time, why would we need 01:29:06.548 --> 01:29:14.078 Why would there be some big conspiracy to, you word it better than I'm wording it right now, but you've been highlighting this lately. 01:29:14.739 --> 01:29:16.622 How much focus has been on that, Jay? 01:29:16.682 --> 01:29:20.467 I mean, let's do one that you just popped in my head this morning. 01:29:20.527 --> 01:29:23.832 Why do you need to use IBM punch cards if you're just murdering people? 01:29:24.784 --> 01:29:28.246 I mean, well, if you're just murdering people, why do you need punch cards? 01:29:28.386 --> 01:29:37.150 I mean, it's IPM punch cards, the Germans have a reputation for meticulous note keeping. 01:29:38.190 --> 01:29:47.695 And these, this data collection, this record keeping is just completely inconsistent, as well as all the resources to build and maintain those camps. 01:29:48.666 --> 01:29:56.332 with a population that was starved of resources that was running out of fighting age males that was just gonna kill these people anyways. 01:29:59.154 --> 01:30:01.215 These stories just don't add up. 01:30:01.996 --> 01:30:06.179 I'm not trying to be insult, insult anyone. 01:30:06.199 --> 01:30:07.800 I'm not trying to be inflammatory. 01:30:07.820 --> 01:30:10.882 I'm not trying to just stir up drama where it's not needed. 01:30:11.202 --> 01:30:12.743 My life is too short as it is. 01:30:12.783 --> 01:30:13.524 I don't need that. 01:30:14.004 --> 01:30:17.727 These are just big questions about something which has been 01:30:19.487 --> 01:30:23.300 which has very, very close connections to what is happening today. 01:30:25.106 --> 01:30:31.889 I mean, I hate to make it so simple, but you know, there are also Holocaust deniers, just like there's no virus deniers. 01:30:32.190 --> 01:30:34.711 And it's the same kind of stupid question. 01:30:34.731 --> 01:30:46.597 And what we're actually asking is, is it possible that the Holocaust's worst aspects were actually completely hidden from us so that everyone in this group could benefit from their behavior? 01:30:46.757 --> 01:30:54.141 I mean, that to me is the simplest question that no one has ever asked in the history of me ever talking or being told about this story. 01:30:54.761 --> 01:30:59.502 There are stories of Mengele having done horrific experiments. 01:31:00.243 --> 01:31:02.623 And some of them are probably true. 01:31:03.584 --> 01:31:10.726 But then one nature is the ability to change eye color with a dye, something along those lines, which, well, perhaps that did happen. 01:31:10.746 --> 01:31:12.206 I don't know how often that happened. 01:31:13.307 --> 01:31:20.489 But if he was any type of a scientist or with other scientists, did they really think that that was going to have some sort of genetic impact? 01:31:21.218 --> 01:31:34.728 It's almost as if some stories were allowed to bubble up and be retold because they just sound like a bunch of monsters that had nothing to do other than to torture. 01:31:37.570 --> 01:31:48.779 And I'm not questioning whether or not there was torture at all, but it just doesn't make any sense, even from a military perspective, from any type of perspective at all. 01:31:50.732 --> 01:32:14.079 So if what we've just rolled into right now is all 8 billion people on the planet being subjected to a future of data collection and gene therapy, well, why is it out of the question to think that 8 million people in camps 80-something years ago would have been available for medical research? 01:32:14.740 --> 01:32:19.121 And most of the experiments which did come out about transplants 01:32:20.424 --> 01:32:24.587 you know, the reactions of the body is effectively immune responses. 01:32:24.627 --> 01:32:39.398 And I think looking at the way freaking vaccines were made, realizing that it was, I'm going to slightly oversimplify it here, but mashing up animal brain and injecting it into people, yeah, they get sick. 01:32:39.498 --> 01:32:40.539 Well, no kidding. 01:32:41.400 --> 01:32:48.205 How different is that from transplanting, I don't know, bone marrow from different animals into people or between people? 01:32:50.037 --> 01:33:02.893 It is very possible that stunning insights into the way the immune system was identifying different tissues came out of whatever had happened in World War II. 01:33:03.834 --> 01:33:08.480 And it should be no surprise that there were major advances. 01:33:09.085 --> 01:33:19.907 and understanding how DNA was mapped and coming out with new vaccine manufacturing methods with the polio vaccine, there was a huge boom right after World War II. 01:33:20.267 --> 01:33:24.048 And in fact, it was Hilary Kaprowski who made the first polio vaccine. 01:33:25.449 --> 01:33:34.011 As a middleman between that Rockefeller Institute, having gone through the Vatican where he's played his piano, we're not stretching here. 01:33:34.331 --> 01:33:36.191 We're not stretching at all. 01:33:39.163 --> 01:33:53.693 And why is it for me, who is, I'm only the fraction of the historian that you are, and so much other horsepower which has been dumped, which we think anyways, into Twitter and these spaces. 01:33:54.073 --> 01:33:56.314 Why haven't more people gotten to this before? 01:33:57.035 --> 01:34:01.978 I'm actually frustrated that somehow we're at the front of this. 01:34:02.438 --> 01:34:03.119 We shouldn't be. 01:34:03.639 --> 01:34:04.700 We really shouldn't be. 01:34:05.320 --> 01:34:07.201 Other people should have done this before. 01:34:07.221 --> 01:34:08.242 I'm very frustrated. 01:34:08.683 --> 01:34:13.965 that either they sold themselves as what they were doing and they didn't. 01:34:14.645 --> 01:34:16.685 They've wasted so many other people's time. 01:34:16.705 --> 01:34:22.047 I'm very disappointed at them, having delayed these insights and this research until now. 01:34:24.347 --> 01:34:25.708 Either, as is me, Marc. 01:34:26.168 --> 01:34:29.849 But definitely, we are where we are at this moment. 01:34:30.849 --> 01:34:33.850 And you and JJ are raising these questions. 01:34:34.670 --> 01:34:36.791 And look at what response JJ has gotten 01:34:38.078 --> 01:34:53.147 for raising concerns with an organisation which is purporting health freedom, instead of, as you say, rightly, really calling out the criminality of the vaccine schedule. 01:34:54.608 --> 01:35:02.192 And so this is something where I would hope that also Vela, who again, I respect greatly. 01:35:03.433 --> 01:35:05.494 She's a very strong, courageous woman. 01:35:06.161 --> 01:35:07.741 who has taken a lot upon her. 01:35:08.341 --> 01:35:13.983 But you should understand that you, Mark, are raising the exact right question at this moment. 01:35:16.043 --> 01:35:22.305 And that if CHD was supporting Vera, they should support you in this question. 01:35:22.865 --> 01:35:23.385 Definitely. 01:35:23.405 --> 01:35:28.106 They should support JJ in demanding 01:35:29.406 --> 01:35:39.890 answers from senior scientists within the medical freedom movement about inconsistencies, about the narrative, and about the CV. 01:35:43.451 --> 01:35:48.213 I think we should close it there because it's an hour and a half and you guys have been really, really fantastically 01:35:49.577 --> 01:35:54.238 Fantastically clear, I think, and it's been a really good meeting of a back and forth kind of thing. 01:35:54.299 --> 01:36:04.162 I want to encourage you to use the email that I sent the Zoom meeting in to make connections between you guys and do whatever you need to do to extend this connection beyond this little show. 01:36:04.182 --> 01:36:07.243 And I want to thank you again for both coming on. 01:36:07.283 --> 01:36:17.606 You can find Uwe at Never Again is now global on Substack and you can find Mark at HousatonicITS.com and I think also Housatonic 01:36:18.507 --> 01:36:19.108 dot live. 01:36:19.168 --> 01:36:19.728 Is that correct? 01:36:20.749 --> 01:36:22.170 Yeah, I got the URL. 01:36:22.230 --> 01:36:23.110 It's the name of the show. 01:36:23.170 --> 01:36:23.731 It's beautiful. 01:36:23.871 --> 01:36:24.071 Yep. 01:36:24.351 --> 01:36:26.273 Okay, so you can find them both there. 01:36:26.313 --> 01:36:27.454 Their names are on the screen. 01:36:27.534 --> 01:36:38.181 Please, please just support their work because there are some of the few people that are that are peeling the onion in the right way asking the right questions and not afraid to admit that they've gotten it wrong a couple times. 01:36:39.222 --> 01:36:40.963 So thanks guys for joining me again. 01:36:41.003 --> 01:36:42.685 I'm gonna I'm gonna stream us out. 01:36:42.725 --> 01:36:43.125 Is that good? 01:36:44.588 --> 01:36:44.948 Wonderful. 01:36:45.008 --> 01:36:46.370 Thank you for this. 01:36:46.570 --> 01:36:47.211 This was great. 01:36:47.231 --> 01:36:48.652 I appreciate it. 01:36:48.832 --> 01:36:49.513 Both of you do. 01:36:50.674 --> 01:36:50.994 Awesome. 01:36:51.015 --> 01:36:52.176 Thanks, guys. 01:36:52.976 --> 01:37:00.324 So I don't really know what to say other than there are certain strategies, certain things going on right now. 01:37:02.242 --> 01:37:06.766 And I think they actually involve trying to mislead the young. 01:37:07.467 --> 01:37:12.731 I'm not necessarily accusing any of these people of being particularly good at misleading the young. 01:37:12.771 --> 01:37:14.673 I just think that they've been hired to do it. 01:37:16.114 --> 01:37:20.117 I do think that we can learn a lot from James Giordano. 01:37:20.177 --> 01:37:28.204 I think we can learn a lot from thinking about how many people don't wanna talk about 2020 and don't wanna talk about the history of the mentorship that underlies this. 01:37:28.824 --> 01:37:43.675 This limited spectrum of debate that we've been talking about today actually extends back to the Holocaust and World War II and whether or not we have been focused on shiny objects rather than the idea that you wouldn't just take people and exterminate them. 01:37:43.715 --> 01:37:47.598 And if you did, you wouldn't need IBM punch cards to keep track of them. 01:37:48.259 --> 01:37:52.862 I think we've been consciously and intelligently manipulated for a very, very long time and to 01:37:54.063 --> 01:37:59.126 acknowledge or hat tip Veera Sharav for using this statement from Edward Bernays in all of her talks. 01:37:59.946 --> 01:38:10.712 We have been manipulated by these people behind the scenes that have been planted very early on from harmless meddlers to people that have worked for the Human Genome Project for many years. 01:38:11.672 --> 01:38:16.154 It's because they have been always there to try and prevent our informed consent. 01:38:16.415 --> 01:38:18.916 And I think this has become very, very clear. 01:38:18.956 --> 01:38:20.857 They get us running around in hamster wheels 01:38:21.857 --> 01:38:24.098 And their stories are all very, very parallel. 01:38:24.138 --> 01:38:37.123 The parallel story from 2021 that Robert Malone told to Paul Cattrell is very parallel to the story told not even a week ago by Meryl Nass and not even a week ago by Mary Holland. 01:38:37.363 --> 01:38:39.423 And it just continues on and on. 01:38:39.463 --> 01:38:42.464 It's a mythology about viruses. 01:38:42.525 --> 01:38:45.105 It's a mythology about what can be done in the world 01:38:47.146 --> 01:38:47.946 in laboratories. 01:38:48.466 --> 01:39:00.710 And this mythology goes all the way back to the whole career of Ralph Baric, who his whole job has been to lay the foundation for this illusion that there is pandemic potential, and his work represents it. 01:39:01.770 --> 01:39:07.172 This is a group of people that's been busy for many years, but especially since the start of the pandemic. 01:39:07.212 --> 01:39:12.013 It's possible that Robert Malone wasn't even supposed to be part of this, but he is now. 01:39:12.233 --> 01:39:15.294 They have been faking this train stopping for many, many years. 01:39:16.535 --> 01:39:19.799 And the way they did it is the best described as a scooby-doo. 01:39:19.879 --> 01:39:30.994 It's a mystery that they tricked us into solving, just like they tricked us into solving, you know, the mystery of how many Jews did they kill and not what did they use them for before they did that. 01:39:31.634 --> 01:39:37.741 I guess I show this guy all the time because I think he's a key to understanding this illusion. 01:39:37.802 --> 01:39:40.204 It's about spreading bad ideas and who's spreading them. 01:39:40.985 --> 01:39:50.756 Ladies and gentlemen, please realize that there was no novel virus that can explain all of these various ways that people were probably just murdered. 01:39:51.497 --> 01:39:58.928 And the fact that nobody wants to say murder is actually a very good clue that we have been misled for. 01:39:58.988 --> 01:39:59.890 How long is it now? 01:40:00.390 --> 01:40:01.652 We're in 2024. 01:40:02.173 --> 01:40:07.220 This is really four and a half, going on five years of a coordinated 01:40:08.361 --> 01:40:10.942 harmonization of liars across the internet. 01:40:11.543 --> 01:40:13.604 They've lied to us about this, this data. 01:40:14.864 --> 01:40:16.945 And that's, that's just I'm going to leave it. 01:40:16.965 --> 01:40:19.687 I'm not going to show any pictures of anybody up there at this time. 01:40:20.447 --> 01:40:26.650 Please, ladies and gentlemen, stop all transfections in humans because they are trying to eliminate the control group by any means necessary. 01:40:27.530 --> 01:40:32.453 And if I can get this silly mouse to show up, I can probably play us out. 01:40:34.076 --> 01:40:35.277 Thanks guys for showing up. 01:40:36.257 --> 01:40:42.099 Um, this has been Giga Home Biological, a high resistance, low noise information brief brought to you by a biologist. 01:40:42.700 --> 01:40:46.821 Um, thank you very much to my guests, which should be right, probably there still. 01:40:46.901 --> 01:40:48.202 Oh no, it's not. 01:40:48.662 --> 01:40:49.242 Oh no. 01:40:49.722 --> 01:40:50.283 They left. 01:40:50.743 --> 01:40:52.884 That means that the zoom is overloading. 01:40:52.904 --> 01:40:53.464 Look at that. 01:40:54.084 --> 01:40:54.725 Bang. 01:40:55.465 --> 01:40:55.545 Um, 01:41:03.834 --> 01:41:05.935 Oh, I don't even know if I can fix this anymore. 01:41:07.196 --> 01:41:07.996 That's pretty funny. 01:41:08.056 --> 01:41:10.137 We're going to force quit Zoom here. 01:41:10.858 --> 01:41:12.659 That'll do it, I hope. 01:41:12.699 --> 01:41:14.380 Quit, quit, quit, quit, quit. 01:41:14.460 --> 01:41:16.641 End the meeting for all. 01:41:16.661 --> 01:41:19.042 I'll have to get back to them later. 01:41:19.703 --> 01:41:23.925 Whoa, so that's what happens when you get the infinite screen on Zoom. 01:41:24.265 --> 01:41:25.986 That's pretty funny. 01:41:26.306 --> 01:41:27.627 Anyway, thanks for joining me. 01:41:28.327 --> 01:41:32.129 This has been Giga Home Biological, and these are the people that support the work. 01:41:32.630 --> 01:41:33.130 Thanks, guys. 01:41:42.236 --> 01:41:44.038 I have to make a video for the red pill. 01:41:44.338 --> 01:41:49.523 I'm going to do that probably this afternoon and then send it in so it gets up on the website. 01:41:50.464 --> 01:41:51.325 The talk is fine. 01:41:51.345 --> 01:41:53.387 I mean, I'm not worried about that. 01:41:53.547 --> 01:41:54.328 I'll knock that out. 01:41:55.669 --> 01:41:56.210 Thanks, guys. 01:41:56.630 --> 01:41:57.812 Thanks, Mark. 01:41:58.492 --> 01:41:59.273 Thanks, Ube. 01:41:59.613 --> 01:42:01.355 You guys are the best.