WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:26.560 I think I hear some choppers, I got some choppers over my house, I don't know what to say but 00:26.560 --> 00:32.800 Andrew Huff said choppers, other people have had choppers, I got choppers over my house 00:32.800 --> 00:36.560 every night, I must be over the target. 01:02.800 --> 01:32.800 Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank 01:32.800 --> 02:02.800 you, thank you, thank you, thank you 02:02.800 --> 02:32.800 thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you 02:32.800 --> 03:02.800 thank you, thank you, thank you 03:02.800 --> 03:32.800 thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you 03:32.800 --> 04:02.800 thank you thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you Thank you, thank you 04:02.800 --> 04:04.560 I found the mummy! 04:04.560 --> 04:08.800 Well, gang, I guess that wraps up the mystery, and the mummy too! 04:09.800 --> 04:11.800 We will win! 04:32.800 --> 04:41.800 Are we doing the city of the A's? 04:41.800 --> 04:42.800 Yes. 04:42.800 --> 04:46.800 Are we doing the city of the A's? 04:46.800 --> 04:47.800 Yes. 04:47.800 --> 04:48.800 Yes. 04:48.800 --> 04:49.800 Two days ago. 04:49.800 --> 04:51.800 What sites did you see? 05:05.800 --> 05:07.800 Think of a bear and a tummy. 05:07.800 --> 05:08.800 Ball? 05:08.800 --> 05:09.800 Ball? 05:09.800 --> 05:10.800 Ball? 05:10.800 --> 05:12.800 You don't understand Mr. Brown. 05:12.800 --> 05:15.800 The bomb is a holy weapon of peace. 05:17.800 --> 05:20.800 Are we doing the stand on the city of the A's? 05:20.800 --> 05:22.800 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 05:22.800 --> 05:24.800 This is KIGO, oh, biological, high-resistance, low-noise, 05:24.800 --> 05:30.800 information brief brought to you by a biologist at 7th of October, 2023. 05:34.800 --> 05:40.800 The Nobel Prize has recently been awarded for the extraordinary 05:40.800 --> 05:45.800 extraordinary vaccines that have saved almost 14 million lives. 05:46.800 --> 05:49.800 They're misleading the young ladies and gentlemen. 05:49.800 --> 05:51.800 We've got to put a stop to it. 05:54.800 --> 05:56.800 They are misleading the young. 05:59.800 --> 06:01.800 And we've got to put a stop to it. 06:01.800 --> 06:05.800 We've got to teach them the history before it's erased forever. 06:06.800 --> 06:10.800 The next generations are being set up with lies. 06:11.800 --> 06:15.800 We cannot hand over our children to these charlatans. 06:17.800 --> 06:20.800 It's going to require everyone to stand up. 06:22.800 --> 06:25.800 Even if you can see the brick wall at the back of the theater, 06:25.800 --> 06:27.800 there are other people who can't. 06:27.800 --> 06:29.800 We've got to show them. 06:29.800 --> 06:31.800 We've got to show them. 06:32.800 --> 06:34.800 There was no spread in New York City infectious clones, 06:34.800 --> 06:43.800 and the only real threat to placebo batches were likely 06:43.800 --> 06:47.800 distributed, and transfection in healthy mammals is dumb. 06:48.800 --> 06:52.800 Protocols were murdered, gained a function in mythology. 06:52.800 --> 06:55.800 The Scooby-Doo mystery is a real thing, 06:55.800 --> 06:58.800 and the players are spectacularly committed to lies. 06:58.800 --> 07:00.800 That's all we got here. 07:01.800 --> 07:06.800 MUSIC 07:21.800 --> 07:23.800 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 07:23.800 --> 07:25.800 This is Giga Home Biological High Resistance Low Noise 07:25.800 --> 07:28.800 Information Brief brought to you by a biologist. 07:28.800 --> 07:30.800 My name is Jonathan Cooey. 07:30.800 --> 07:33.800 I'm coming to you from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. 07:33.800 --> 07:36.800 Like I said, it's the 7th of October, 2023, 07:36.800 --> 07:38.800 and we've got so much work to do. 07:38.800 --> 07:40.800 It's kind of absurd. 07:40.800 --> 07:42.800 So we just have to keep working, 07:42.800 --> 07:46.800 and that's why, once again, I'm here to tell you 07:46.800 --> 07:48.800 not to take the debate on social media, 07:48.800 --> 07:50.800 not to take the debate on television, 07:50.800 --> 07:52.800 but keep learning the biology, 07:52.800 --> 07:55.800 keep trying to learn the real history, 07:55.800 --> 07:58.800 keep trying to learn how money really works, 07:58.800 --> 08:01.800 and take measures to save your family from this nonsense, 08:01.800 --> 08:04.800 but definitely, please definitely disengage 08:04.800 --> 08:07.800 from solving this mystery. 08:07.800 --> 08:10.800 It's not a mystery that needs solving, 08:10.800 --> 08:14.800 and that's the reason why we're here at Giga Home Biological, 08:14.800 --> 08:17.800 because it is not a matter of what is true that counts, 08:17.800 --> 08:20.800 but a matter of what is perceived to be true, 08:20.800 --> 08:22.800 and they've known that for a very long time, 08:22.800 --> 08:25.800 much longer than a few years. 08:25.800 --> 08:30.800 Chatty GTP is an illusion compared to the amount of control 08:30.800 --> 08:33.800 that they've had over us through this very mechanism 08:33.800 --> 08:36.800 of controlling the spectrum of debate 08:36.800 --> 08:39.800 and having a very lively debate within that controlled spectrum 08:39.800 --> 08:42.800 to make it seem like everybody's free. 08:42.800 --> 08:46.800 When in reality, the very perceived reality 08:46.800 --> 08:49.800 is defined by that debate itself, 08:49.800 --> 08:52.800 and that's what the intellectual dark web has done to us. 08:52.800 --> 08:56.800 That's why we keep making these people map discussions, 08:56.800 --> 09:01.800 because we need to figure out what these people did in 2019 09:01.800 --> 09:03.800 and 2020 and 21, 09:03.800 --> 09:06.800 so that we can see if there's a consistent pattern of behavior 09:06.800 --> 09:10.800 fighting for sovereignty and fighting for the sacred, 09:10.800 --> 09:15.800 and if not, then we need to disengage from them. 09:15.800 --> 09:18.800 And so we've talked many times, 09:18.800 --> 09:21.800 but the essential illusion, the essential faith, 09:21.800 --> 09:24.800 is the idea that there was a novel virus 09:24.800 --> 09:26.800 that everyone was vulnerable to. 09:26.800 --> 09:28.800 The idea that we had to do something, 09:28.800 --> 09:30.800 and that's why we took the extreme measures 09:30.800 --> 09:33.800 of giving little kids iPads at home 09:33.800 --> 09:35.800 and shutting down schools, 09:35.800 --> 09:37.800 shutting down small businesses, 09:37.800 --> 09:39.800 masking children, 09:39.800 --> 09:43.800 separating people from their elderly family members, 09:43.800 --> 09:48.800 the whole nine yards. 09:48.800 --> 09:49.800 And if you want to really see through it, 09:49.800 --> 09:51.800 the easy way to do it is to find people 09:51.800 --> 09:54.800 who are telling you that this transfection is not immunization. 09:54.800 --> 09:56.800 Try to find people that are telling you 09:56.800 --> 09:59.800 that intramuscular injection 09:59.800 --> 10:01.800 of any combination of substances, 10:01.800 --> 10:04.800 the augment the immune system is a pretty dumb idea. 10:04.800 --> 10:07.800 And then you'll be able to whittle it down really fast, 10:07.800 --> 10:10.800 because most people are talking about bioweapons, 10:10.800 --> 10:12.800 most people are talking about amyloidosis, 10:12.800 --> 10:16.800 most people are talking about crazy lipid nanoparticle, 10:16.800 --> 10:18.800 poor quality control, 10:18.800 --> 10:23.800 and people are talking about DNA contamination. 10:23.800 --> 10:27.800 And so we're almost there. 10:27.800 --> 10:32.800 But as long as we stay focused on their little spectrum of debate 10:32.800 --> 10:37.800 where maybe the mRNA was done or rushed wrong incorrectly, 10:37.800 --> 10:42.800 Nobel Prize was given to the wrong person for the wrong reason, 10:42.800 --> 10:47.800 then we're not arguing about what we should be arguing about. 10:47.800 --> 10:51.800 And we're not asking the right questions. 10:51.800 --> 10:55.800 I think that's another way to think about it if that helps you better. 10:55.800 --> 10:58.800 These people have tricked us into asking the wrong questions. 10:58.800 --> 11:01.800 These people have tricked us into chasing the wrong villains. 11:01.800 --> 11:06.800 These people have tricked us into trying to solve the wrong mystery. 11:07.800 --> 11:12.800 And they've given us this illusion of consensus about what that mystery is, 11:12.800 --> 11:16.800 the illusion of consensus about what the obvious conclusion is, 11:16.800 --> 11:21.800 the illusion of consensus that we have all come to agree about this 11:21.800 --> 11:25.800 when we haven't. 11:25.800 --> 11:30.800 We have discussed recently with Denny Rancour and Peter McCullough on my stream 11:30.800 --> 11:36.800 about the all-cause mortality being quite unrevealing with regard to 11:36.800 --> 11:42.800 a novel cause of death sweeping the world like a plague. 11:42.800 --> 11:47.800 The math doesn't support the idea of a novel cause of death 11:47.800 --> 11:52.800 sweeping the world like a plague. 11:53.800 --> 12:06.800 And that's a problem because if you say to somebody that there's a new cause of death on Earth 12:06.800 --> 12:09.800 and that everybody's equally vulnerable to it, 12:09.800 --> 12:14.800 and then there isn't an increase in all cause mortality across age groups 12:14.800 --> 12:18.800 that's detectable in temporal relationship to this declaration, 12:18.800 --> 12:21.800 you have a problem. 12:21.800 --> 12:25.800 If where there is an outbreak in one geographic location, 12:25.800 --> 12:30.800 there isn't an outbreak in subsequent nearby geographic locations, 12:30.800 --> 12:35.800 then you have a problem. 12:35.800 --> 12:39.800 And that's what seems to have happened in a lot of places in the United States 12:39.800 --> 12:41.800 and in fact around the world. 12:41.800 --> 12:46.800 And Denny Rancour's data seems to show a sharp increase 12:46.800 --> 12:51.800 in all cause mortality as the countermeasures were rolled out 12:51.800 --> 12:54.800 and specifically the mRNA shot around the world. 12:54.800 --> 12:58.800 And as would be expected, 12:58.800 --> 13:05.800 serial exposure to this kind of a reagent 13:05.800 --> 13:11.800 is going to result in possible cascading effects or avalanche type effects 13:11.800 --> 13:15.800 in the immune system as the reactivity of the immune system builds. 13:16.800 --> 13:21.800 Now there's some people that are arguing that IgG4 is showing up 13:21.800 --> 13:25.800 and so that means that we're building a tolerance to this spike protein 13:25.800 --> 13:27.800 and that is possible. 13:27.800 --> 13:30.800 It's possible. 13:30.800 --> 13:33.800 It's one possible mechanism, one possible outcome, 13:33.800 --> 13:39.800 but they have no, they can't guarantee that because they don't understand 13:39.800 --> 13:43.800 the mechanism by which in some people that's occurring 13:43.800 --> 13:47.800 and in some people it's not. 13:47.800 --> 13:51.800 In some people they just keep getting repeated respiratory disease 13:51.800 --> 13:56.800 and repeated somehow become COVID positive again 13:56.800 --> 14:01.800 or not COVID positive but still sick. 14:01.800 --> 14:05.800 Long term lack of energy, all the other things that people have 14:05.800 --> 14:11.800 around this thing called POTS or whatever other description it's had. 14:12.800 --> 14:15.800 So we're really dealing with something very spectacular because 14:15.800 --> 14:20.800 even Peter McCullough, a guy who was surrounded from the very beginning 14:20.800 --> 14:23.800 by people whispering in his ear, 14:23.800 --> 14:28.800 assuring him with high level national security phone calls 14:28.800 --> 14:32.800 that this was a national security issue that we needed to be afraid 14:32.800 --> 14:35.800 of whether we were under attack or whether this was a release. 14:35.800 --> 14:37.800 We don't know where this is going to go. 14:37.800 --> 14:39.800 It could be a worst case scenario. 14:39.800 --> 14:44.800 So you got to be really careful what you say there, Mr. Peter. 14:44.800 --> 14:49.800 And so for him to be very impressed 14:49.800 --> 14:52.800 with Denny Rancor's ability to explain, 14:52.800 --> 14:56.800 yeah, but despite what you think, 14:56.800 --> 14:59.800 I've cleaned this data up, I've looked at the dates, 14:59.800 --> 15:02.800 we've only looked at the data that we can trust and we look at many, 15:02.800 --> 15:06.800 many countries and many, many places we see the same signal. 15:06.800 --> 15:09.800 Peter needed to hear it from Denny and he did hear it and it was really 15:09.800 --> 15:14.800 impactual because this was around the same time that Peter had just recently 15:14.800 --> 15:19.800 come out like I have with the idea that just the whole vaccine schedule in America 15:19.800 --> 15:22.800 needs some serious reconsideration. 15:22.800 --> 15:24.800 Then we ran into this character. 15:24.800 --> 15:26.800 We did a video about him. 15:26.800 --> 15:29.800 He tweeted some nonsense about how in the hands of, 15:29.800 --> 15:35.800 in the hands of a competent scientist, PCR is highly accurate, well, duh. 15:35.800 --> 15:37.800 And then he blocked me. 15:37.800 --> 15:39.800 And of course that's not surprising, right? 15:39.800 --> 15:43.800 Because he was involved in the testing and he's involved in perpetuating this idea 15:43.800 --> 15:47.800 that we have nothing to question about the faith. 15:47.800 --> 15:51.800 The novel virus is defined specifically by sequencing reactions, 15:51.800 --> 15:53.800 which are all driven by PCR. 15:53.800 --> 15:55.800 And that's his wheelhouse. 15:55.800 --> 15:58.800 And he wants you to believe, just like Kevin McKernan, 15:58.800 --> 16:02.800 that he has no conflicts of interest with regard to telling you 16:02.800 --> 16:07.800 that the fidelity of these, these diagnostics and the fidelity of these 16:07.800 --> 16:12.800 sequencing reactions is beyond, beyond question. 16:12.800 --> 16:16.800 You can't question the accuracy of these things. 16:16.800 --> 16:19.800 Even though there are articles where they talk about 16:19.800 --> 16:24.800 viruses raining down from the sky on the order of 800 million viruses per 16:24.800 --> 16:26.800 square meter per day. 16:26.800 --> 16:31.800 Some absurd number like this giant amount of RNA is floating around 16:31.800 --> 16:32.800 in the world. 16:32.800 --> 16:36.800 But you know, we can find all these little pieces and put them together 16:36.800 --> 16:39.800 and convince you that what we're finding is real. 16:39.800 --> 16:46.800 I think there's a lot of shenanigans going on and I think the behavior 16:46.800 --> 16:50.800 of these people reveals that it is indeed shenanigans. 16:50.800 --> 16:55.800 It's not people genuinely fighting for the truth, trying to organize 16:55.800 --> 16:59.800 around health, freedom and sovereignty over ourselves and our children. 17:00.800 --> 17:04.800 You know that Kevin McKernan is not fighting for that. 17:04.800 --> 17:09.800 He's fighting for something to do with personalized weed 17:09.800 --> 17:12.800 and genetically modified pot plants. 17:12.800 --> 17:19.800 Philip Buckholtz is making money as a sequencer and as a test maker 17:19.800 --> 17:23.800 and as an advisor to all the companies that would ever want to take advantage 17:23.800 --> 17:27.800 of any of this mythology in the future. 17:28.800 --> 17:31.800 He's asserted himself as a guy who does that for a licks. 17:31.800 --> 17:32.800 We're really good at that. 17:32.800 --> 17:36.800 Me and my lab are really good at that. 17:36.800 --> 17:41.800 100% on board with the idea of a novel virus for which we have to do something 17:41.800 --> 17:45.800 which we could keep tracking and we should keep sequencing 17:45.800 --> 17:56.800 and keep making better sequencing technologies and sequencing products for. 17:56.800 --> 18:00.800 We've looked at these four guys because there's some game being played here 18:00.800 --> 18:04.800 because it's just really short through the corner. 18:04.800 --> 18:10.800 George Webb's favorite biological advice comes from Dr. Paul Catrell 18:10.800 --> 18:14.800 who's not even a doctor even though George Webb says over and over and over 18:14.800 --> 18:18.800 and over again for three years that Paul Catrell is going to med school 18:18.800 --> 18:22.800 and was going to med school at the beginning of the pandemic when he wasn't. 18:22.800 --> 18:24.800 Every once in a while he says it wasn't med school. 18:24.800 --> 18:26.800 It was something you do before med school. 18:26.800 --> 18:30.800 So then he's not Dr. Paul Catrell but he is because he has a PhD 18:30.800 --> 18:36.800 from Walden University in finance where he did chaos theory and bond trading. 18:40.800 --> 18:44.800 So he's kind of like that guy that does pizza reviews from New York City 18:44.800 --> 18:50.800 but then this guy is more like the Jurassic Park character 18:50.800 --> 18:58.800 who did chaos theory so he's like a combination of the guy in Jurassic Park 18:58.800 --> 19:02.800 with that pizza delivery or the pizza review guy that also traded, 19:02.800 --> 19:06.800 day traded and made a lot of money like I don't know it's just such a joke to me 19:06.800 --> 19:12.800 and what becomes more of a joke is that somebody like Robert Malone 19:12.800 --> 19:18.800 wants us to believe that in his quest to save the world 19:18.800 --> 19:22.800 he came out on the bread wine steam podcast in the way that he did in June 19:22.800 --> 19:26.800 and then also he came out on Paul Catrell 19:26.800 --> 19:30.800 with Paul Catrell and some other radio network enlightenment radio network 19:30.800 --> 19:34.800 because he's just trying to get the word out there. 19:34.800 --> 19:38.800 You know because he's got all these connections in government that just ignore him 19:38.800 --> 19:42.800 so you know what does he got to do he's got to stream with these kinds of people 19:42.800 --> 19:45.800 even though he used to work with carrot funded bullshit 19:45.800 --> 19:49.800 carrot funded bullshit has already been on the web all over the place 19:49.800 --> 19:53.800 for six months before June 21 19:53.800 --> 19:57.800 Robert Malone comes out and pretends he doesn't even know 19:57.800 --> 20:01.800 or doesn't even mention that he knows carrot funded bullshit until June of 21 20:01.800 --> 20:05.800 now all of a sudden yeah okay I'm on Paul Catrell and I know carrot 20:09.800 --> 20:13.800 it's not good ladies and gentlemen because 20:13.800 --> 20:17.800 Malone also says that George Webb's a bad guy right but 20:17.800 --> 20:21.800 but tells you where to find him and Paul Catrell 20:21.800 --> 20:25.800 was streaming many many many times with Kevin McCarron 20:25.800 --> 20:29.800 and you know that we followed Charles Rixie and Kevin McCarron 20:29.800 --> 20:33.800 not too recently or not too long ago 20:33.800 --> 20:37.800 April 26th on this Vay John health conference which occurred on a Saturday 20:37.800 --> 20:41.800 and it was Christine Grace followed by Charles Rixie 20:41.800 --> 20:45.800 and Kevin McCarron 20:45.800 --> 20:49.800 and these were really quite 20:49.800 --> 20:53.800 let's say low level poorly organized talks all three of them 20:53.800 --> 20:57.800 Christine Grace may be very smart and she may have a lot of information 20:57.800 --> 21:01.800 about how lipid nanoparticles work she may have a lot of information 21:01.800 --> 21:05.800 about the kinds of things that they can do when they interact with DNA and RNA 21:05.800 --> 21:09.800 she may have a lot of information about the polarity 21:09.800 --> 21:13.800 different particles and how that figures into how they cross membranes and that kind of thing 21:13.800 --> 21:17.800 but the talk that she gave had slides 21:17.800 --> 21:21.800 that had too much gibberish and 21:21.800 --> 21:25.800 readable material on it with not a lot of obvious 21:25.800 --> 21:29.800 messaging and she she skipped a few slides 21:29.800 --> 21:33.800 every once in a while and she talked very nervous and very fast so 21:33.800 --> 21:37.800 wasn't pretty difficult to get much from her talk 21:37.800 --> 21:41.800 then Charles Rixie gave a talk about censorship 21:41.800 --> 21:45.800 and used a bunch of slides you couldn't read or see what they were but you were supposed to 21:45.800 --> 21:49.800 take your word for it that that was his 21:49.800 --> 21:53.800 sub stack or this is a multicolored spreadsheet 21:53.800 --> 21:57.800 with all the papers that he's read and then Kevin McCarron 21:57.800 --> 22:01.800 came on and did a I don't know what 22:01.800 --> 22:05.800 would you call that like if you were a master student giving a 22:05.800 --> 22:09.800 presentation about amyloid that that's the level it would be at 22:09.800 --> 22:13.800 it definitely wasn't at the level of somebody who studies it 22:13.800 --> 22:17.800 or at the level of somebody who's got an idea of the next project he wants to do 22:17.800 --> 22:21.800 or how he's going to do experiments to prove that this is happening 22:21.800 --> 22:25.800 he never once really made the argument about why 22:25.800 --> 22:29.800 this particular virus as opposed to any other virus with a fusion protein 22:29.800 --> 22:33.800 or any other transfection of any other fusion 22:33.800 --> 22:37.800 protein would be any less toxic than this one 22:37.800 --> 22:41.800 he never made an argument about why the 22:41.800 --> 22:45.800 the virus would be particularly dangerous and the 22:45.800 --> 22:49.800 transfection would be particularly dangerous or which one would be more dangerous 22:49.800 --> 22:53.800 when I'm clearly arguing that the transfection is much more dangerous 22:53.800 --> 22:57.800 than whatever is floating around as the virus even if it's an 22:57.800 --> 23:01.800 infectious clone and that's what I've been trying to argue from the beginning 23:01.800 --> 23:05.800 if you're unlucky enough to be sprayed with an infectious clone 23:05.800 --> 23:09.800 or made to inhale an infectious clone then things bad things will probably happen 23:09.800 --> 23:13.800 but if you transfect yourself with a 23:13.800 --> 23:17.800 foreign protein most assuredly you're playing the same game if not 23:17.800 --> 23:21.800 much much worse with many many many more tissue in 23:21.800 --> 23:25.800 your body than just the mucosal of your lungs 23:25.800 --> 23:29.800 and gut and so we're in a big trouble here 23:29.800 --> 23:33.800 because interestingly enough these stars 23:33.800 --> 23:37.800 have all crossed again and this illusion of consensus 23:37.800 --> 23:41.800 seems to have really really strong connections between 23:41.800 --> 23:45.800 all of these pieces the 23:45.800 --> 23:49.800 laying down of this worst case scenario 23:49.800 --> 23:53.800 which was done by people like Paul Catrell 23:53.800 --> 23:57.800 people like George Webb people like Kevin 23:57.800 --> 24:01.800 care people like Charles Ricksey people like all 24:01.800 --> 24:05.800 the people in drastic like me there were screaming very early on 24:05.800 --> 24:09.800 that this could be a lab leak and unable 24:09.800 --> 24:13.800 to get the message out that that doesn't mean it's danger as it just means that it's probably more likely 24:13.800 --> 24:17.800 a man-made thing than it ever is something coming out of a bat cave 24:17.800 --> 24:21.800 the worst case scenario a billion 24:21.800 --> 24:25.800 people going to die was something that needed to be seeded 24:25.800 --> 24:29.800 it had to be something that was whispered in every water cooler 24:29.800 --> 24:33.800 it was whispered at every coffee room 24:33.800 --> 24:37.800 it was talked about on every talk show 24:37.800 --> 24:41.800 behind the scenes and that's what this is about now 24:41.800 --> 24:45.800 to give you this continued illusion that everything's okay 24:45.800 --> 24:49.800 that it all worked out people on the TV say look they gave them the Nobel Prize 24:49.800 --> 24:52.800 you can even point to it for a judge 24:52.800 --> 24:56.800 Pfizer's guilty of nothing you know because I mean we just used the Nobel Prize 24:56.800 --> 25:00.800 winning technique I mean what could we have possibly done wrong 25:00.800 --> 25:04.800 so curiously enough today 25:04.800 --> 25:08.800 at six o'clock UK time which was around 25:08.800 --> 25:12.800 one o'clock our time someone sent me a link 25:12.800 --> 25:16.800 thanks Cara of reflections on the Nobel Prize 25:16.800 --> 25:20.800 from the mRNA originator 25:20.800 --> 25:24.800 the mRNA originator 25:24.800 --> 25:28.800 and who is he talking with Dr. Philip 25:28.800 --> 25:32.800 Macmillan where do we recognize Dr. Philip 25:32.800 --> 25:36.800 Macmillan and Vay John Health from well we recognize them of course 25:36.800 --> 25:40.800 from the Vay John Health Conference just a month ago 25:40.800 --> 25:44.800 August 26th 25:44.800 --> 25:48.800 where he hosted 25:48.800 --> 25:52.800 Kevin McCarron and Charles Ricksey 25:52.800 --> 25:56.800 the people that are connected to George Webb 25:56.800 --> 26:00.800 via Paul Cottrell 26:00.800 --> 26:04.800 people that Robert Malone has streamed 26:04.800 --> 26:08.800 with like Paul Cottrell and 26:08.800 --> 26:12.800 incidentally you're going to hear in this interview that 26:12.800 --> 26:16.800 Robert Malone came first time on Dr. Philip 26:16.800 --> 26:20.800 Macmillan's Vay John Health stream in June 26:20.800 --> 26:24.800 of 2021 26:24.800 --> 26:28.800 the same month that he made his debut 26:28.800 --> 26:32.800 on Brett Weinstein I just can't believe 26:32.800 --> 26:36.800 that this happened today and more importantly I can't believe 26:36.800 --> 26:40.800 the kinds of things that he says unfortunately it's already 26:40.800 --> 26:44.800 950 so it looks like I'm going to be up a little later 26:44.800 --> 26:48.800 than I wanted to be up on this Saturday but I am going to be up because it is 26:48.800 --> 26:52.800 a video that needs to be wrestled with 26:52.800 --> 26:56.800 it's extraordinary 26:56.800 --> 27:00.800 hello good evening good afternoon to everyone 27:00.800 --> 27:04.800 here thank you for joining me for this really really 27:04.800 --> 27:08.800 fascinating discussion with regards to Robert 27:08.800 --> 27:12.800 Malone no it's important for people to realize 27:12.800 --> 27:16.800 that actually I had the first video 27:16.800 --> 27:20.800 interview with him all the way in June 2021 27:20.800 --> 27:24.800 and at that time it was just purely by chance 27:24.800 --> 27:28.800 that I realized subsequently that he was actually 27:28.800 --> 27:32.800 the inventor the creator of the mRNA 27:32.800 --> 27:36.800 technology that in itself was a fascinating insight for me 27:36.800 --> 27:40.800 and since then I have watched him grow from strength 27:40.800 --> 27:44.800 to strength going across the world and 27:44.800 --> 27:48.800 effectively impacting the scientific perspective 27:48.800 --> 27:52.800 and across the world now today is actually 27:52.800 --> 27:56.800 my birthday and the biggest gift that I've had 27:56.800 --> 28:00.800 is the fact that we have here Robert Malone with me 28:00.800 --> 28:04.800 to discuss ideas about mRNA technology 28:04.800 --> 28:08.800 his history how he felt about the Nobel Prize 28:08.800 --> 28:12.800 and all these issues together should in truth 28:12.800 --> 28:16.800 be a remarkable discussion so the first thing that I'm going to do 28:16.800 --> 28:20.800 is bring Robert in as opposed to just have a quick introduction 28:20.800 --> 28:24.800 hi Robert how are you? Hi Phillip thanks a lot for having me back 28:24.800 --> 28:28.800 it's been a long time and a lot of water in the bridge 28:28.800 --> 28:32.800 absolutely grateful for you asking me to come back onto your broadcast 28:32.800 --> 28:36.800 well yes as I said it's a tremendous honor for me to actually have you 28:36.800 --> 28:40.800 because these days you're literally one of the biggest 28:40.800 --> 28:44.800 voices out there depending on which side of the fence you're on it can be a 28:44.800 --> 28:48.800 bit of a problem but in truth everybody does hear what you say 28:48.800 --> 28:52.800 whether they like it or not so with that in view 28:52.800 --> 28:56.800 can you just give us an introduction of yourself 28:56.800 --> 29:00.800 Robert let us 29:00.800 --> 29:04.800 did you just hear that please tell me you heard that without me 29:04.800 --> 29:08.800 having to reel it back and then I'm going to reel it back and we're all going to enjoy it together like an 29:08.800 --> 29:12.800 extra potato chip that we didn't know we had 29:12.800 --> 29:16.800 it does hear what you say whether they like it 29:16.800 --> 29:20.800 or the biggest voices out there depending on which side 29:20.800 --> 29:24.800 of the fence you're on it can be a bit of a problem but in truth everybody 29:24.800 --> 29:28.800 does hear what you say whether they like it or not 29:28.800 --> 29:32.800 everybody hears what you say 29:32.800 --> 29:36.800 whether they like it or not it doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on 29:36.800 --> 29:40.800 isn't that an interesting phenomenon boy I wish I could get my 29:40.800 --> 29:44.800 message out like that I wish I 29:44.800 --> 29:48.800 I don't know how he does it despite the censorship 29:48.800 --> 29:52.800 on either side of the aisle it doesn't matter what side of the issue 29:52.800 --> 29:56.800 you're on you're gonna hear Robert Malone boy that censorship 29:56.800 --> 30:00.800 is rough huh I mean that's that's an impressive statement 30:00.800 --> 30:04.800 so with that in view 30:04.800 --> 30:08.800 can you just give us an introduction of yourself 30:08.800 --> 30:12.800 Robert let us let us know a little bit more about you and your background 30:12.800 --> 30:16.800 here we go so the 30:16.800 --> 30:20.800 truth of the matter is that I actually live 30:20.800 --> 30:24.800 and enjoy living a simple life I live on a 54 horse farm in Northern Virginia 30:24.800 --> 30:28.800 that I homestead it together with my wife Dr. Joel 30:28.800 --> 30:32.800 Glassville Malone from just being atheists 30:32.800 --> 30:36.800 I was born in Palo Alto California 30:36.800 --> 30:40.800 at the Old Stanford Hospital and grew up in the Central Coast California 30:40.800 --> 30:44.800 moving frequently the son of a 30:44.800 --> 30:48.800 Mills University train or college train teacher 30:48.800 --> 30:52.800 and a Stanford trained electrical engineer who was very 30:52.800 --> 30:56.800 involved in the defense industry and high voltage 30:56.800 --> 31:00.800 systems I landed in 31:00.800 --> 31:04.800 high voltage systems is that like high voltage weapons 31:04.800 --> 31:08.800 I mean what does that mean I he's in the defense 31:08.800 --> 31:12.800 high voltage systems it's just so silly 31:12.800 --> 31:16.800 it's gonna get much worse you're gonna gonna believe the kinds of things that he says 31:16.800 --> 31:20.800 here and as you're listening I want you to try and follow 31:20.800 --> 31:24.800 along and see if you 31:24.800 --> 31:28.800 if you hear that bell what I'm indicating is 31:28.800 --> 31:32.800 I'm saying something that he probably said because 31:32.800 --> 31:36.800 he was made to say it because somebody 31:36.800 --> 31:40.800 brought it out somebody reported on it somebody 31:40.800 --> 31:44.800 said something about it it was never intended to have to be talked about 31:44.800 --> 31:48.800 but this is the updated list this is this 31:48.800 --> 31:52.800 October 7th updated who is 31:52.800 --> 31:56.800 Robert Malone speech and it is spectacular sorry 31:56.800 --> 32:00.800 yeah and in my youth 32:00.800 --> 32:04.800 and pretty much grew up in the Santa Barbara metropolitan area 32:04.800 --> 32:08.800 and then went to university at 32:08.800 --> 32:12.800 Santa Barbara City College, UC Davis 32:12.800 --> 32:16.800 Northwestern University, UC San Diego 32:16.800 --> 32:20.800 in the Salk Institute and 32:20.800 --> 32:24.800 Northwestern and Harvard Medical School for my final fellowship 32:24.800 --> 32:28.800 in global clinical research. I'm trained in pathology 32:28.800 --> 32:32.800 I've also in virology 32:32.800 --> 32:36.800 immunology molecular biology and was very active 32:36.800 --> 32:40.800 as a bench researcher really 32:40.800 --> 32:44.800 beginning about 83 84 kind of cut my teeth with 32:44.800 --> 32:48.800 HIV and mouse mammary tumor virus which is 32:48.800 --> 32:52.800 a retrovirus model of breast cancer in mice and then 32:52.800 --> 32:56.800 through my work in gene transfer first at the 32:56.800 --> 33:00.800 Salk Institute focusing on retroviral vectors then 33:00.800 --> 33:04.800 as a assistant professor at UC Davis I grew a 33:04.800 --> 33:08.800 medium sized non-viral gene 33:08.800 --> 33:12.800 therapy program was recruited to University of Maryland 33:12.800 --> 33:16.800 Baltimore where I had additional discoveries that led to 33:16.800 --> 33:20.800 a whole other field of gene delivery that nobody talks about these days 33:20.800 --> 33:24.800 having to use to do with pulse electrical fields 33:24.800 --> 33:28.800 and the founding of a company called Anovio that's still running in San Diego 33:28.800 --> 33:32.800 using that technology and then 33:32.800 --> 33:36.800 to the uniform services university of the health sciences 33:36.800 --> 33:40.800 where I helped create a breast cancer research program 33:40.800 --> 33:44.800 and issue banking laboratory and research laboratory at Western 33:44.800 --> 33:48.800 Pennsylvania and then joined 33:48.800 --> 33:52.800 a company that had just obtained 33:52.800 --> 33:56.800 the what's called the prime systems contract for 33:56.800 --> 34:00.800 bio-defense products for the Department of Defense called Dimeport vaccine company 34:00.800 --> 34:04.800 up in Frederick, Maryland almost across the street from 34:04.800 --> 34:08.800 Fort Dietrich which is where the United States Army 34:08.800 --> 34:12.800 medical research group is that used to be the bio warfare 34:12.800 --> 34:16.800 group but now is the bio-defense group and at that 34:16.800 --> 34:20.800 in that job in that position I had 34:20.800 --> 34:24.800 experience with virtually all the major 34:24.800 --> 34:28.800 well really end minor vaccines that are in development for 34:28.800 --> 34:32.800 bio-defense for the U.S. Army and defense complex 34:32.800 --> 34:36.800 which is where I was brought into connection with a lot of 34:36.800 --> 34:40.800 people that are called you know referred to as deep state 34:40.800 --> 34:44.800 many people who have CIA connections 34:44.800 --> 34:48.800 I'm not CIA I've never been CIA I've never been approached by the CIA to the best of 34:48.800 --> 34:52.800 my knowledge but you can't work in bio-defense and not work with CIA people 34:52.800 --> 34:56.800 I've also worked for Gates funded nonprofit 34:56.800 --> 35:00.800 one of the first called the Harris Global TV Vaccine Foundation 35:00.800 --> 35:04.800 it's defunct now but I know that world pretty well 35:04.800 --> 35:08.800 I've consulted for PATH which is one of the core gates 35:08.800 --> 35:12.800 companies and I've worked for a 35:12.800 --> 35:16.800 for-profit regulatory 35:16.800 --> 35:20.800 fair sweatshop in Rockville supporting 35:20.800 --> 35:24.800 FDA related work I've written many 35:24.800 --> 35:28.800 INDs presented 35:28.800 --> 35:32.800 to the FDA multiple times written many clinical protocols 35:32.800 --> 35:36.800 and managed phase one and two and some phase three 35:36.800 --> 35:40.800 protocols either as a principal investigator 35:40.800 --> 35:44.800 or as a support person like a clinical 35:44.800 --> 35:48.800 investigator or safety committee member 35:48.800 --> 35:52.800 I've was at the tip of the spear 35:52.800 --> 35:56.800 in bringing forward the vaccine candidate from NewLink 35:56.800 --> 36:00.800 originally from public health agency Canada and getting 36:00.800 --> 36:04.800 it sold to a company called Merck that's now the 36:04.800 --> 36:08.800 only licensed Ebola candidate or Ebola vaccine 36:08.800 --> 36:12.800 and have been very 36:12.800 --> 36:16.800 involved in advancing many different bio-defense products 36:16.800 --> 36:20.800 I've kind of been at the forefront of I think five different outbreaks 36:20.800 --> 36:24.800 did a lot of drug repurposing 36:24.800 --> 36:28.800 work with Zika after I determined 36:28.800 --> 36:32.800 that building a Zika vaccine was not going to be very practical 36:32.800 --> 36:36.800 and many influenza vaccines I have deep experience 36:36.800 --> 36:40.800 in influenza and influenza vaccine development 36:40.800 --> 36:44.800 I'm very familiar with the Novavax 36:44.800 --> 36:48.800 platform and worked for a long time for a company that uses 36:48.800 --> 36:52.800 Baccalaureate virus to express proteins in caterpillars 36:52.800 --> 36:56.800 and I've won over my lifetime well over $10 billion 36:56.800 --> 37:00.800 in grants and contracts for a variety of companies 37:00.800 --> 37:04.800 including companies that are 37:04.800 --> 37:08.800 you know very much beltway bandits 37:08.800 --> 37:12.800 basically inside DC defense contractors 37:12.800 --> 37:16.800 I've been granted a secret clearance but my passion 37:16.800 --> 37:20.800 remains in small farming and my 44 year marriage with 37:20.800 --> 37:24.800 my wife Dr. Joe Glaspel Malone where high school sweethearts 37:24.800 --> 37:28.800 and these days we produce Lucetano horses 37:28.800 --> 37:32.800 here in our farm in Virginia up against the Shenandoah Mountains 37:32.800 --> 37:36.800 so there's a kind of a broad brush stroke 37:36.800 --> 37:40.800 of who I am and what I do excellent listen I think 37:40.800 --> 37:42.800 as I listen to you there I remember 37:42.800 --> 37:46.800 holy cow that was crazy 37:46.800 --> 37:50.800 so let me just see 37:50.800 --> 37:54.800 let me just see if we can do this here 37:54.800 --> 37:58.800 so he did mouse tumor virus 37:58.800 --> 38:02.800 he called himself 38:02.800 --> 38:06.800 he's trained in pathology, virology, immunology, megalactic and molecular biology 38:06.800 --> 38:10.800 cut his teeth in mouse tumor viruses which was a mouse 38:10.800 --> 38:14.800 model for breast cancer then he did retroviral vectors 38:14.800 --> 38:18.800 when he speaks of vectors he's talking about using them to carry DNA 38:18.800 --> 38:22.800 they're talking about transforming things then 38:22.800 --> 38:26.800 so like transfection would be with our mRNA but then with DNA 38:26.800 --> 38:30.800 UC Davis, University of Baltimore 38:30.800 --> 38:34.800 I missed a lot of stuff in there because there was also 38:34.800 --> 38:38.800 the part about windber and the breast cancer institute that had 38:38.800 --> 38:42.800 the really high speed internet pipeline and had access 38:42.800 --> 38:46.800 to all of the military cancer data 38:46.800 --> 38:50.800 and he put the husband 38:50.800 --> 38:54.800 of a postdoc that he had and as a director of 38:54.800 --> 38:58.800 that institute that's a married couple from Nigeria 38:58.800 --> 39:02.800 it's just all very strange 39:02.800 --> 39:06.800 kind of happening there and then that put him in real close proximity to where 39:06.800 --> 39:10.800 the plane went down in 2001 so that's 39:10.800 --> 39:14.800 a little strange he's worked for the Gates Foundation and he's worked for a company 39:14.800 --> 39:18.800 called PAF which was one of the primary guest companies in the Gates Foundation 39:18.800 --> 39:22.800 or funded by them he also worked for a regulatory 39:22.800 --> 39:26.800 affairs sweatshop which I don't really know what that is 39:26.800 --> 39:30.800 he worked with some phase one two and some three trials 39:30.800 --> 39:34.800 he was tip of the spear of the Ebola vaccine where he brokered the sale 39:34.800 --> 39:38.800 of the Ebola vaccine candidate from a company called Newlink in Canada 39:38.800 --> 39:42.800 to Merck. He was involved in a 39:42.800 --> 39:46.800 under a lot of biodefense products I apologize you can't read that 39:46.800 --> 39:51.800 drug repurposing for Zika influenza vaccine development 39:51.800 --> 39:54.800 baculovirus and caterpillars 39:54.800 --> 39:58.800 and he's got what is this 39:58.800 --> 40:02.800 he got 10 billion I thought it was like 40:02.800 --> 40:06.800 2 billion now he says it's 10 billion for 40:06.800 --> 40:10.800 beltway banded companies so he sounds like a really great guy 40:10.800 --> 40:14.800 but really right now he's into his 44 year 40:14.800 --> 40:18.800 marriage with his college or his high school sweetheart 40:18.800 --> 40:22.800 and raising Lucetano horses so 40:22.800 --> 40:26.800 holy crap that's interesting I would say 40:26.800 --> 40:30.800 there's quite a bit in that narrative that wouldn't be there 40:30.800 --> 40:34.800 hadn't been for the work of some of the people that you 40:34.800 --> 40:38.800 follow some of the people that we trust 40:38.800 --> 40:42.800 so thanks to all those people especially Mark Gulag 40:45.800 --> 40:49.800 well the first time that I had an interview with Gert 40:49.800 --> 40:53.800 and he went through his background and I thought oh my goodness 40:53.800 --> 40:56.800 no wonder it is a worry 40:56.800 --> 41:00.800 when you say something that is counter to the narrative 41:00.800 --> 41:03.800 and we're going to be coming into that in a moment 41:03.800 --> 41:07.800 but I think it's very important to start with 41:07.800 --> 41:11.800 that question of mRNA technology 41:11.800 --> 41:16.800 now in all of the background that you have listed 41:16.800 --> 41:19.800 I don't hear a lot about 41:19.800 --> 41:23.800 the work or that original work with 41:23.800 --> 41:27.800 mRNA why did you not continue 41:27.800 --> 41:31.800 after you had that experience of the breakthrough 41:31.800 --> 41:35.800 in thinking so you would have been at that cutting edge 41:35.800 --> 41:39.800 as you said in Salk Institute you had that moment where you 41:39.800 --> 41:44.800 envisioned it why did it not continue 41:44.800 --> 41:49.800 well not only envisioned it but I left the Salk 41:49.800 --> 41:53.800 because of the politics that were going on over the patents 41:53.800 --> 41:57.800 with a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder 41:57.800 --> 42:02.800 my mentor is now out 42:02.800 --> 42:06.800 and basically is being a very abusive person 42:06.800 --> 42:11.800 but I continued that work at a small startup 42:11.800 --> 42:15.800 across the street called Vaikal and it's at Vaikal 42:15.800 --> 42:18.800 that we had the additional discovery of naked DNA 42:18.800 --> 42:21.800 and RNA delivery into mouse muscle 42:21.800 --> 42:23.800 and the reduction of practice of all of this 42:23.800 --> 42:26.800 for the purpose of vaccination 42:26.800 --> 42:30.800 so we demonstrated there that you could inoculate 42:30.800 --> 42:34.800 mice with the messenger RNA that I had synthesized 42:34.800 --> 42:39.800 and caused them to mount an immune response against the encoded protein 42:39.800 --> 42:43.800 and so is that where the patents come from 42:43.800 --> 42:46.800 because yeah looking behind you 42:46.800 --> 42:49.800 there was a number of patent filed 42:49.800 --> 42:54.800 so the original patent disclosure was made at the Salk in 1987 or 88 42:54.800 --> 42:58.800 and then a patent was filed from the Salk 42:58.800 --> 43:02.800 and I never got a straight answer 43:02.800 --> 43:05.800 when I left the Salk it was still pending 43:05.800 --> 43:08.800 they had first determined that I was a sole inventor 43:08.800 --> 43:11.800 and then they put my mentor on it 43:11.800 --> 43:14.800 and then I left and went to Vaikal 43:14.800 --> 43:17.800 and I asked the Salk a few years later 43:17.800 --> 43:20.800 what happened to that patent because they're supposed to just 43:20.800 --> 43:24.800 they're supposed to notify the inventors of any actions they take under 43:24.800 --> 43:27.800 the Baidole Act in the United States 43:27.800 --> 43:30.800 and they had unilaterally decided to abandon the patent 43:30.800 --> 43:33.800 at the time when my mentor, Interverma, 43:33.800 --> 43:37.800 had been a consultant to the company Vaikal 43:37.800 --> 43:40.800 so the Salk patent would have interfered with the Vaikal patents 43:40.800 --> 43:42.800 and it was dropped 43:42.800 --> 43:44.800 Can I just ask the chat? 43:44.800 --> 43:48.800 Did they flash to the second camera yet? 43:48.800 --> 43:51.800 Is that why you're saying why did he put patents on the wall 43:51.800 --> 43:53.800 or did they flash to a second camera yet? 43:53.800 --> 43:55.800 Yes or no? 43:55.800 --> 43:59.800 Anybody in the chat did because there's a second camera coming up soon 44:00.800 --> 44:04.800 and then the Vaikal patents there was nine of them 44:04.800 --> 44:06.800 that came out of their original filings 44:06.800 --> 44:07.800 Watch your cover 44:07.800 --> 44:09.800 kind of 1990-1991 44:09.800 --> 44:10.800 He's going to trigger it himself 44:10.800 --> 44:11.800 They issued 44:11.800 --> 44:15.800 and then we had, Jill and I had a subsequent patent 44:15.800 --> 44:17.800 actually multiple patents 44:17.800 --> 44:19.800 you know that's 44:19.800 --> 44:21.800 as shown behind me 44:21.800 --> 44:22.800 Nice 44:22.800 --> 44:25.800 and they cover the formulations 44:26.800 --> 44:29.800 You see he's got a button he triggers it with 44:29.800 --> 44:31.800 he's got to look down to see which button he pushes 44:31.800 --> 44:32.800 on his little streamer thing 44:32.800 --> 44:35.800 so he can get that patent wall side shot 44:35.800 --> 44:39.800 That was brilliant 44:39.800 --> 44:41.800 Okay, so one was 44:41.800 --> 44:43.800 purchased by the army 44:43.800 --> 44:45.800 use of various 44:45.800 --> 44:46.800 candidate lipids 44:46.800 --> 44:49.800 we were the first ones to put cholesterol into the formulations 44:49.800 --> 44:52.800 we came up with solutions to the endotoxin problem 44:52.800 --> 44:53.800 et cetera et cetera 44:54.800 --> 44:56.800 but we were way ahead of our time 44:56.800 --> 44:59.800 and Vaikal when I left 44:59.800 --> 45:03.800 I had signed an employment agreement 45:03.800 --> 45:05.800 that among other things 45:05.800 --> 45:08.800 resulted in my getting compensated for the patents 45:08.800 --> 45:10.800 with one US dollar 45:10.800 --> 45:14.800 but I also 45:14.800 --> 45:17.800 signed away any rights to work in that field 45:17.800 --> 45:18.800 subsequently 45:18.800 --> 45:21.800 and at one point I got a 45:21.800 --> 45:25.800 cease and desist letter from the CEO of Vaikal 45:25.800 --> 45:28.800 BJ Simone who used to be at Merck 45:28.800 --> 45:31.800 that I should not do any research 45:31.800 --> 45:33.800 as an academic 45:33.800 --> 45:35.800 directly relating to what I had done 45:35.800 --> 45:37.800 when I was at Vaikal 45:37.800 --> 45:38.800 so 45:38.800 --> 45:41.800 Vaikal was very aggressive about the intellectual property 45:41.800 --> 45:43.800 they sold it to Merck 45:43.800 --> 45:45.800 Merck tried to make DNA vaccines work 45:45.800 --> 45:47.800 they thought RNA wasn't going to be 45:47.800 --> 45:49.800 feasible to manufacture 45:49.800 --> 45:51.800 they failed 45:51.800 --> 45:53.800 they spent over two billion 45:53.800 --> 45:55.800 they turned the IP back to 45:55.800 --> 45:57.800 to Vaikal 45:57.800 --> 45:59.800 and Vaikal burned about a billion 45:59.800 --> 46:01.800 or a billion and a half 46:01.800 --> 46:03.800 and they failed 46:03.800 --> 46:05.800 but what they did do through that whole time 46:05.800 --> 46:07.800 is very aggressively block anybody 46:07.800 --> 46:09.800 that would work on DNA 46:09.800 --> 46:11.800 or RNA vaccines 46:11.800 --> 46:13.800 until the patents expired 46:13.800 --> 46:15.800 and then after the patents expired 46:15.800 --> 46:17.800 the market cap for Vaikal 46:17.800 --> 46:19.800 basically crashed 46:19.800 --> 46:21.800 and the company 46:21.800 --> 46:23.800 was basically merged 46:23.800 --> 46:25.800 for less than cash value 46:25.800 --> 46:27.800 so it's 46:27.800 --> 46:29.800 I don't think the patents 46:29.800 --> 46:31.800 expired in 2001 though 46:31.800 --> 46:33.800 and I think Mark has shown 46:33.800 --> 46:35.800 that 46:35.800 --> 46:37.800 the patent or rather the stock 46:37.800 --> 46:39.800 of Vaikal crashed or ended 46:39.800 --> 46:41.800 pretty much in September or October 46:41.800 --> 46:43.800 of 2001 right? 46:43.800 --> 46:45.800 isn't that right? 46:45.800 --> 46:47.800 so that's weird 46:47.800 --> 46:49.800 yeah the line glows 46:49.800 --> 46:51.800 that's for sure 46:51.800 --> 46:53.800 not where you then start 46:53.800 --> 46:55.800 to speak about your work 46:55.800 --> 46:57.800 because before that you 46:57.800 --> 46:59.800 couldn't I really couldn't 46:59.800 --> 47:01.800 yeah well no at that point 47:01.800 --> 47:03.800 in all this work that we did 47:03.800 --> 47:05.800 mostly at UC Davis 47:05.800 --> 47:07.800 with the different positively charged 47:07.800 --> 47:09.800 fats and the pharmacology 47:09.800 --> 47:11.800 and biology and mechanism 47:11.800 --> 47:13.800 of action work 47:13.800 --> 47:17.800 we had done a lot of work 47:17.800 --> 47:19.800 on trying to develop gene therapy 47:19.800 --> 47:21.800 for cystic fibrosis 47:21.800 --> 47:25.800 involving pulmonary 47:25.800 --> 47:27.800 or intratricular inoculation 47:27.800 --> 47:29.800 of these formulations in mice 47:29.800 --> 47:31.800 and in monkeys in non-human 47:31.800 --> 47:33.800 primates 47:33.800 --> 47:35.800 and also the basics 47:35.800 --> 47:37.800 of delivery and equipment 47:37.800 --> 47:39.800 but he said that the patents 47:39.800 --> 47:41.800 expired and Vaikal 47:41.800 --> 47:43.800 prevented anybody from using the 47:43.800 --> 47:45.800 mRNA technology until the 47:45.800 --> 47:47.800 patents expired and then in the 47:47.800 --> 47:49.800 patents expired 47:49.800 --> 47:51.800 their stock crashed 47:51.800 --> 47:53.800 but I don't think the patents 47:53.800 --> 47:55.800 that he had would have expired in 47:55.800 --> 47:57.800 2001 correct me if I'm wrong 47:57.800 --> 47:59.800 someone in the chat 47:59.800 --> 48:01.800 that's weird 48:01.800 --> 48:03.800 putting jet injection and post-electural 48:03.800 --> 48:05.800 field we were starting with some 48:05.800 --> 48:07.800 in gold particle delivery 48:07.800 --> 48:09.800 which is another technology in this mix 48:09.800 --> 48:11.800 that is gone by the wayside 48:11.800 --> 48:13.800 and with the 48:13.800 --> 48:15.800 positively charged fat formulations 48:15.800 --> 48:17.800 we could never overcome the toxicity 48:17.800 --> 48:19.800 they're highly highly inflammatory 48:19.800 --> 48:23.800 and so we moved on to other 48:23.800 --> 48:25.800 delivery technologies that were more 48:25.800 --> 48:27.800 efficient including post-electrical 48:27.800 --> 48:29.800 fields that didn't have the 48:29.800 --> 48:31.800 toxicity 48:31.800 --> 48:33.800 and primarily focused on the DNA 48:33.800 --> 48:35.800 delivery not the RNA although we 48:35.800 --> 48:37.800 did get a very broad patent 48:37.800 --> 48:39.800 on mucosal vaccines 48:39.800 --> 48:41.800 that covered virtually any gene therapy 48:41.800 --> 48:45.800 vector 48:45.800 --> 48:47.800 but I couldn't get any of that funded 48:47.800 --> 48:49.800 I got recruited to 48:49.800 --> 48:51.800 Umariland 48:51.800 --> 48:53.800 and we did the electroporation work 48:53.800 --> 48:55.800 and I wrote what I think was 48:55.800 --> 48:57.800 probably one of my best 48:57.800 --> 48:59.800 personal proposals ever 48:59.800 --> 49:01.800 and it went into 49:01.800 --> 49:03.800 the NIH for review and it was 49:03.800 --> 49:05.800 rejected based on 49:05.800 --> 49:07.800 the fat. So he said this a 49:07.800 --> 49:09.800 couple times and it's just dawned 49:09.800 --> 49:11.800 on me 49:11.800 --> 49:13.800 listen 49:13.800 --> 49:15.800 any of that funded 49:15.800 --> 49:17.800 you know 49:17.800 --> 49:19.800 it covered virtually any 49:19.800 --> 49:21.800 gene therapy very broad patent 49:21.800 --> 49:23.800 just on the DNA delivery 49:23.800 --> 49:25.800 not the RNA already did get 49:25.800 --> 49:27.800 a very broad patent on mucosal 49:27.800 --> 49:29.800 vaccines that covered virtually 49:29.800 --> 49:31.800 any gene therapy vector 49:31.800 --> 49:33.800 just on the DNA delivery 49:33.800 --> 49:35.800 not the RNA although we did get a 49:35.800 --> 49:37.800 very broad patent on 49:37.800 --> 49:39.800 mucosal vaccines that covered 49:39.800 --> 49:41.800 virtually any gene therapy 49:41.800 --> 49:43.800 vector. I want you to think about 49:43.800 --> 49:45.800 this video that I've seen on 49:45.800 --> 49:49.800 the internet for a second 49:49.800 --> 49:51.800 I've seen this video on the internet 49:51.800 --> 49:53.800 about patent trolls 49:53.800 --> 49:55.800 and patent trolls are these people 49:55.800 --> 49:57.800 that have a patent 49:57.800 --> 49:59.800 that seems to apply to a broad 49:59.800 --> 50:01.800 you know like I don't know 50:01.800 --> 50:03.800 one of the kinds of patent trolls 50:03.800 --> 50:05.800 that I understand 50:05.800 --> 50:07.800 that's out there is somebody 50:07.800 --> 50:09.800 has a patent 50:09.800 --> 50:11.800 on website 50:11.800 --> 50:13.800 reviews, 50:13.800 --> 50:15.800 website product reviews 50:15.800 --> 50:17.800 on a website 50:17.800 --> 50:19.800 and so they go around 50:19.800 --> 50:21.800 suing medium to small sized 50:21.800 --> 50:23.800 web based 50:23.800 --> 50:25.800 businesses 50:25.800 --> 50:27.800 that have reviews on their website 50:27.800 --> 50:29.800 and sue them for 50:29.800 --> 50:31.800 patent infringement 50:31.800 --> 50:33.800 and this is called 50:33.800 --> 50:35.800 patent trolling 50:35.800 --> 50:37.800 and it only happens in certain 50:37.800 --> 50:39.800 jurisdictions in America 50:39.800 --> 50:41.800 but it's a real thing 50:41.800 --> 50:43.800 now what Robert Malone just said 50:43.800 --> 50:45.800 there 50:45.800 --> 50:47.800 is 50:47.800 --> 50:49.800 what he said there 50:49.800 --> 50:51.800 is 50:51.800 --> 50:53.800 that he had a broad patent 50:53.800 --> 50:57.800 on mucosal genetic vaccines 50:57.800 --> 50:59.800 can you imagine the possibility 50:59.800 --> 51:01.800 that if this patent 51:01.800 --> 51:03.800 exists right now 51:03.800 --> 51:05.800 that he could potentially 51:05.800 --> 51:07.800 patent troll 51:07.800 --> 51:09.800 any company 51:09.800 --> 51:11.800 that violates his patent 51:11.800 --> 51:15.800 and especially now that he's 51:15.800 --> 51:17.800 motivated by 51:17.800 --> 51:19.800 this PTSD 51:19.800 --> 51:21.800 that he got diagnosed with 51:21.800 --> 51:23.800 as a result of 51:23.800 --> 51:25.800 his interaction with this VICO company 51:25.800 --> 51:27.800 and his terribly abusive 51:27.800 --> 51:29.800 ender verma 51:29.800 --> 51:31.800 whose career also seems to have 51:31.800 --> 51:33.800 been kind of ruined by these patents 51:33.800 --> 51:35.800 one of which was purchased by 51:35.800 --> 51:37.800 the army. He casually 51:37.800 --> 51:39.800 mentions the endotoxin problem 51:39.800 --> 51:41.800 which is also a new 51:41.800 --> 51:43.800 game piece on the board along with 51:43.800 --> 51:45.800 the DNA 51:45.800 --> 51:47.800 and the endotoxin problem was 51:47.800 --> 51:49.800 especially just added 51:49.800 --> 51:51.800 to the game board 51:51.800 --> 51:53.800 by another than Josh 51:53.800 --> 51:55.800 Getsko, a guy who's been 51:55.800 --> 51:57.800 on my program before 51:57.800 --> 51:59.800 and who was on John Campbell's 51:59.800 --> 52:01.800 stream on YouTube a couple of days ago 52:01.800 --> 52:03.800 talking about the DNA 52:03.800 --> 52:05.800 contamination but also 52:05.800 --> 52:07.800 the endotoxin, the cell wall 52:07.800 --> 52:09.800 of the bacteria that's used 52:09.800 --> 52:11.800 to generate the DNA that 52:11.800 --> 52:13.800 generates the RNA 52:13.800 --> 52:15.800 VICO sold patents to Merck, 52:15.800 --> 52:17.800 sold them back to VICO, 52:17.800 --> 52:19.800 then we have this incongruency between 52:19.800 --> 52:21.800 when those patents expired and when 52:21.800 --> 52:23.800 VICO's stock crashed in 52:23.800 --> 52:25.800 2021 or 52:25.800 --> 52:27.800 2001. 52:27.800 --> 52:29.800 He mentions pulse electric 52:29.800 --> 52:31.800 fields twice. He also talks about 52:31.800 --> 52:33.800 gold particles. We've talked about all of 52:33.800 --> 52:35.800 those as ways to 52:35.800 --> 52:37.800 transfect and to transform 52:37.800 --> 52:39.800 animals and tissues and cell 52:39.800 --> 52:41.800 cultures and we've 52:41.800 --> 52:43.800 stated over and over again that you 52:43.800 --> 52:45.800 were depending on whether you use 52:45.800 --> 52:47.800 mRNA or DNA you would call it 52:47.800 --> 52:49.800 transfection or 52:49.800 --> 52:51.800 transfection respectively. 52:51.800 --> 52:53.800 DNA versus RNA decided 52:53.800 --> 52:55.800 to stick with DNA 52:55.800 --> 52:57.800 and pulse electric fields so that 52:57.800 --> 52:59.800 he mentions again 52:59.800 --> 53:01.800 remember this is key 53:01.800 --> 53:03.800 that we were granted a broad 53:03.800 --> 53:05.800 patent on mucosal genetic 53:05.800 --> 53:07.800 vaccines and that's very 53:07.800 --> 53:09.800 interesting because going 53:09.800 --> 53:11.800 forward there's going to be a lot of 53:11.800 --> 53:13.800 those because as I've 53:13.800 --> 53:15.800 stated at the beginning we are 53:15.800 --> 53:17.800 going to transition away from 53:17.800 --> 53:19.800 vascular injection because we are going 53:19.800 --> 53:21.800 to come to the realization in the coming 53:21.800 --> 53:23.800 years I guarantee it 53:23.800 --> 53:25.800 that rejecting 53:25.800 --> 53:27.800 the American 53:27.800 --> 53:29.800 way too early 53:29.800 --> 53:31.800 way too aggressive 53:31.800 --> 53:33.800 way too often 53:33.800 --> 53:35.800 way too many targets 53:35.800 --> 53:37.800 immunization schedule 53:37.800 --> 53:39.800 was the right idea 53:39.800 --> 53:41.800 and it could be that 53:41.800 --> 53:43.800 20 years from now there are a couple 53:43.800 --> 53:45.800 vaccines that are accepted as 53:45.800 --> 53:47.800 as 53:47.800 --> 53:49.800 a subcutaneous 53:49.800 --> 53:51.800 vaccines that can work 53:51.800 --> 53:53.800 there could be some that you take 53:53.800 --> 53:55.800 orally but we're going to be getting 53:55.800 --> 53:57.800 rid of most are all 53:57.800 --> 53:59.800 intramuscular vaccines I am 53:59.800 --> 54:01.800 sure of it because we are 54:01.800 --> 54:03.800 we are just not augmenting the 54:03.800 --> 54:05.800 immune system the way that we think we 54:05.800 --> 54:07.800 are and it's curious if he's 54:07.800 --> 54:09.800 positioning himself 54:09.800 --> 54:11.800 as a patent troll just letting 54:11.800 --> 54:13.800 everybody know 54:13.800 --> 54:15.800 every time I go out on one of these 54:15.800 --> 54:17.800 little podcasts I'm just going to drop 54:17.800 --> 54:19.800 that there you know that whole wall 54:19.800 --> 54:21.800 of patents back there some of them still 54:21.800 --> 54:23.800 exist one of them 54:23.800 --> 54:25.800 is for a very broad patent 54:25.800 --> 54:27.800 on mucosal 54:27.800 --> 54:29.800 genetic base back scenes 54:29.800 --> 54:31.800 that's pretty impressive 54:35.800 --> 54:37.800 but 54:37.800 --> 54:39.800 I couldn't get any of that funded 54:39.800 --> 54:41.800 I got recruited to 54:41.800 --> 54:43.800 U Maryland 54:43.800 --> 54:45.800 and we did the 54:45.800 --> 54:47.800 electroporation work and I wrote 54:47.800 --> 54:49.800 what I think was probably one of my 54:49.800 --> 54:51.800 best personal proposals ever 54:51.800 --> 54:53.800 and it went into 54:53.800 --> 54:55.800 the NIH for review and it was 54:55.800 --> 54:57.800 rejected based on 54:57.800 --> 54:59.800 the fact 54:59.800 --> 55:01.800 quote-unquote that Merck had already 55:01.800 --> 55:03.800 solved the delivery problem which 55:03.800 --> 55:05.800 of course they hadn't but 55:05.800 --> 55:07.800 this is the way things are and when 55:07.800 --> 55:09.800 you're a soft money 55:09.800 --> 55:11.800 young investigator 55:11.800 --> 55:13.800 you you don't have 55:13.800 --> 55:15.800 too many times it back 55:15.800 --> 55:17.800 that doesn't really sound like a 55:17.800 --> 55:19.800 jiving story to me and I'm 55:19.800 --> 55:21.800 going to tell you why 55:21.800 --> 55:23.800 because I don't think 55:23.800 --> 55:25.800 the NIH would 55:25.800 --> 55:27.800 solve the delivery problem which 55:27.800 --> 55:29.800 of course they hadn't 55:29.800 --> 55:31.800 but this is the way things are 55:31.800 --> 55:33.800 and when you're a soft money 55:33.800 --> 55:35.800 young investigator 55:35.800 --> 55:37.800 you don't have too many 55:37.800 --> 55:39.800 questions about why because I don't 55:39.800 --> 55:41.800 think the NIH would cite 55:41.800 --> 55:43.800 Merck as a reason 55:43.800 --> 55:45.800 why you would reject someone's 55:45.800 --> 55:47.800 proposal 55:47.800 --> 55:49.800 unless Merck published it in a 55:49.800 --> 55:51.800 nature article or unless Merck 55:51.800 --> 55:53.800 published it in a journal 55:53.800 --> 55:55.800 like you wouldn't just say no 55:55.800 --> 55:57.800 Merck's already solved that 55:57.800 --> 55:59.800 that's not how grants get 55:59.800 --> 56:01.800 rejected 56:01.800 --> 56:03.800 and a pharmaceutical company would 56:03.800 --> 56:05.800 be a very odd 56:05.800 --> 56:07.800 use as a rejection 56:07.800 --> 56:09.800 as a basis for rejection 56:09.800 --> 56:11.800 and in fact I would think 56:11.800 --> 56:13.800 it would be pretty easy to file 56:13.800 --> 56:15.800 an appeal in that scenario 56:15.800 --> 56:17.800 it smells 56:17.800 --> 56:19.800 fishy to me 56:19.800 --> 56:21.800 it's just another way of making 56:21.800 --> 56:23.800 him seem like he's like the victim 56:23.800 --> 56:25.800 and he's been 56:25.800 --> 56:27.800 fighting big pharma for a long time 56:27.800 --> 56:29.800 or something like that and I don't 56:29.800 --> 56:31.800 think that at all 56:31.800 --> 56:33.800 I think he's been trying to 56:33.800 --> 56:35.800 catch on to the freight train 56:35.800 --> 56:37.800 of money that is 56:37.800 --> 56:39.800 the speeding 56:39.800 --> 56:41.800 global pharmaceutical industry 56:41.800 --> 56:43.800 and occasionally when you try to grab onto a moving 56:43.800 --> 56:45.800 freight train you can get hurt 56:45.800 --> 56:47.800 or it doesn't work out the way you think 56:47.800 --> 56:49.800 or when you jump off 56:49.800 --> 56:51.800 you know it's not perfect you land somewhere 56:51.800 --> 56:53.800 you didn't mean to land but I mean come on 56:53.800 --> 56:55.800 let's be real here 56:55.800 --> 56:57.800 I guess cricket 56:57.800 --> 56:59.800 would have to be the metaphor for you 56:59.800 --> 57:01.800 for me it's baseball 57:01.800 --> 57:03.800 but you know if you don't hit it out of the park 57:03.800 --> 57:05.800 as a 57:05.800 --> 57:07.800 soft money investigator 57:07.800 --> 57:09.800 you're out 57:09.800 --> 57:11.800 that's true 57:11.800 --> 57:13.800 that's true I think that's true now too 57:13.800 --> 57:15.800 I mean young investigators 57:15.800 --> 57:17.800 especially 57:17.800 --> 57:19.800 young white 57:19.800 --> 57:21.800 male investigators 57:21.800 --> 57:23.800 really really really need to 57:23.800 --> 57:25.800 hit it out of the park 57:25.800 --> 57:27.800 or you can be assured that 57:27.800 --> 57:29.800 the last job you're going to have 57:29.800 --> 57:31.800 in academic biology is going to be your postdoc 57:31.800 --> 57:33.800 I mean there are 57:33.800 --> 57:35.800 no positions for 57:35.800 --> 57:37.800 for people 57:37.800 --> 57:39.800 of unrepressed 57:39.800 --> 57:41.800 backgrounds 57:41.800 --> 57:43.800 it's just gotten out of control 57:43.800 --> 57:45.800 the content of your work 57:45.800 --> 57:47.800 the content of your character 57:47.800 --> 57:49.800 your work ethic 57:49.800 --> 57:51.800 it doesn't matter at all 57:51.800 --> 57:53.800 it's all secondary to your 57:53.800 --> 57:55.800 perceived station in the hierarchy 57:55.800 --> 57:57.800 it's pretty scary 57:57.800 --> 57:59.800 and I had a wife that 57:59.800 --> 58:01.800 but I doubt he experienced that 58:01.800 --> 58:03.800 when he was in academia 58:03.800 --> 58:05.800 thank you very much 58:05.800 --> 58:07.800 sorry if I was implying 58:07.800 --> 58:09.800 that any of those current 58:09.800 --> 58:11.800 issues 58:11.800 --> 58:13.800 were in existence at the time 58:13.800 --> 58:15.800 when he was hopping around from 58:15.800 --> 58:17.800 retroviral lab to retroviral lab 58:17.800 --> 58:19.800 where people were stealing 58:19.800 --> 58:21.800 retroviruses from france 58:21.800 --> 58:23.800 and bringing them back and 58:23.800 --> 58:25.800 claiming that they had cured them 58:25.800 --> 58:27.800 they were running around 58:27.800 --> 58:29.800 this 58:29.800 --> 58:31.800 writing grants about how 58:31.800 --> 58:33.800 retroviruses were going to be curing cancer in 10 years 58:33.800 --> 58:35.800 come on 58:35.800 --> 58:37.800 a child 58:37.800 --> 58:39.800 two children at that point in time 58:39.800 --> 58:41.800 and 58:41.800 --> 58:43.800 I really I couldn't tolerate 58:43.800 --> 58:45.800 that 58:45.800 --> 58:47.800 the environment 58:47.800 --> 58:49.800 of modern academe for 58:49.800 --> 58:51.800 a soft money funded 58:51.800 --> 58:53.800 investigator 58:53.800 --> 58:55.800 and this is why I 58:55.800 --> 58:57.800 went to industry 58:57.800 --> 58:59.800 again and then to government 58:59.800 --> 59:01.800 contractor 59:01.800 --> 59:03.800 so let me ask you then 59:03.800 --> 59:05.800 so from a personal point of view 59:05.800 --> 59:07.800 you had to almost 59:07.800 --> 59:09.800 so he was forced to go work for 59:09.800 --> 59:11.800 government contractors 59:11.800 --> 59:13.800 he was forced to go work 59:13.800 --> 59:15.800 for DITRA and DOD 59:15.800 --> 59:17.800 because academia is just so 59:17.800 --> 59:19.800 harsh 59:19.800 --> 59:21.800 I mean he's not going to give 59:21.800 --> 59:23.800 any credit to anybody that does make 59:23.800 --> 59:25.800 it in academia you know like 59:25.800 --> 59:27.800 J about a chariot or something like that 59:27.800 --> 59:29.800 like those guys aren't great 59:29.800 --> 59:31.800 or I admire everybody who made 59:31.800 --> 59:33.800 tenure nothing like that 59:33.800 --> 59:35.800 he got 59:35.800 --> 59:37.800 the raw end of the deal he got 59:37.800 --> 59:39.800 PTSD he was treated terribly 59:39.800 --> 59:41.800 they stole his ideas he got the 59:41.800 --> 59:43.800 short end of the stick 59:45.800 --> 59:47.800 woke away from 59:47.800 --> 59:49.800 your baby 59:49.800 --> 59:51.800 I was 59:51.800 --> 59:53.800 I was 59:53.800 --> 59:55.800 I was 59:55.800 --> 59:57.800 one of the lead 59:57.800 --> 59:59.800 individuals speaking to the press 59:59.800 --> 01:00:01.800 about what I knew concerning the 01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:03.800 death of Jesse Gelsinger 01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.800 at the hands of Jim Wilson 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.800 and you pen 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:09.800 from overdosing going off 01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:11.800 protocol with 01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:15.800 adenovirus. 01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:33.800 and 01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:37.800 I'm afraid that 01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:39.800 I don't think he would have set a 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:41.800 dang word about this 01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:43.800 had somebody not founded 01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:47.500 already known about it. And we not already talked about it lots of times. I don't think 01:00:47.500 --> 01:00:55.840 he would have said a word about this. Because I don't think his, I don't think his I say 01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:03.120 it again. I do not think that his career was ruined. He claimed in an earlier interview 01:01:03.120 --> 01:01:08.680 that he made the career of the New York Times reporter that covered this story and quoted 01:01:08.680 --> 01:01:18.840 him. And again, if he's suffering, if he's losing his career, then what happened to him? 01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:27.120 Did he go off to the farm? No. He went and got another job at a government funded health 01:01:27.120 --> 01:01:34.920 university setting up a breast cancer institute and handing it off to a Nigerian couple who's 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:41.840 the woman of which was a postdoc of his. It doesn't sound like it really cramped his 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:46.640 style at all. He was just moved up the ladder. 01:01:46.640 --> 01:01:59.240 I knew what basically what happened there was I was taking training in bioethics from 01:01:59.240 --> 01:02:04.880 a prominent bioethicist. We heard this story before him and his wife were taking a bioethics 01:02:05.040 --> 01:02:14.320 course and that he really admired this bioethicist. Mr. E. Maryland, as was my wife. And I went to 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:20.000 him and said, this has happened and I know these things about this. They're not being discussed. 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:25.640 They're not available in the press. And he told me he thought I had a moral obligation to go to 01:02:25.640 --> 01:02:31.520 the press and share what I knew. And so I did it knowing that it would probably destroy my 01:02:31.520 --> 01:02:39.880 academic career. And it did. But I was able to recover, survive. I got the appointment at the 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:47.440 Uniform Services University Health Sciences and was able to kind of rebuild a whole new career. 01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:59.400 But yeah, I made a conscious choice there to speak out about things that I thought were unethical. 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:11.720 And you could also say that he said just enough to appease and quiet the intense ethical debate 01:03:11.720 --> 01:03:19.160 around what happened with Jesse. You could say that he kind of, you know, basically again, what are 01:03:19.160 --> 01:03:23.480 we talking about here? We're talking about a carefully controlled narrative where both sides 01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:32.440 of the argument are actually on the same team. And I'm positing now, like I think other people 01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:39.880 have posited earlier, that maybe he's not the, you know, the savior, the guy in the white horse 01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:47.240 that we think he is, because he keeps kind of being this mediocre guy on a white horse an awful lot. 01:03:48.200 --> 01:03:53.880 In fact, very curiously around the first time that they ever tried to use transformation to fix a 01:03:53.880 --> 01:04:03.560 genetic disease. And look who's right there to, to again, just like he's doing right now, be that guy 01:04:03.560 --> 01:04:13.480 who's got to bring the bad news. Just enough bad news, just enough. So that everybody keeps believing 01:04:13.560 --> 01:04:18.280 the main story, which is that, you know, in this case, the denovirus is will work. It's just that 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:23.480 they tweaked the doses. And they didn't tell everybody that they were tweaking the dosage. 01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:29.880 And so it seems as though he whistled blue on the fact that they changed the dosage without ever 01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:37.800 reviewing the protocol again. And he would have never done that. So it's not questioning the 01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:44.920 mythology. It's not questioning the intention. It's not it's questioning what? It's not questioning 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:50.520 the biology. It's not questioning the possibility of augmenting the perfect pattern integrity that 01:04:50.520 --> 01:04:59.320 is a person. I hope you can see this, ladies and gentlemen, because we've got him now, 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:06.360 not like we can do anything about it. But we can see him for who he is. The sunlight is shining. 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:13.480 There's no shadows anymore. There's no doubt in my mind that we're being played. It's just a 01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:18.600 question of who he's playing for. But he's not playing on the side of America. He's not playing 01:05:18.600 --> 01:05:25.080 on the side of your family or mine. He's getting it while the getting's good, just like a lot of 01:05:25.080 --> 01:05:28.920 these other people are getting it while the getting's good. And maybe it's because somebody 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:33.880 was going to get it no matter what. If Robert Malone didn't take this job, maybe they'd have 01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:37.560 given it to carrot-funded bullshit. He would have moved over here to America and done it. 01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:41.080 Maybe they'd have found somebody else. I don't know. 01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:53.160 What the bottom line is, is that the novel virus faith is intact. If you listen to Robert Malone, 01:05:53.160 --> 01:05:58.520 argue about who should have gotten the Nobel Prize. The faith of the novel virus is intact. 01:05:59.640 --> 01:06:03.560 If you listen to people talk about whether the lipid nanoparticle should have been more positive 01:06:03.560 --> 01:06:09.960 or negative, or we listen to people talking about misfolding proteins leading to amyloidosis 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:19.880 or pre-odd disease. Without any mechanistic explanations, without any thorough science, 01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:26.280 just in vitro garbage to try and tell you more stories about the ghosts out there, 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:31.640 more stories about whose masks should be taken off, and more stories about what villains we 01:06:31.640 --> 01:06:39.720 should be chasing. The only mystery to solve is, is how in the world are all these people 01:06:39.720 --> 01:06:47.640 connected like this? Why is he streaming with this person? Are you telling me that he can't get on 01:06:47.640 --> 01:06:57.320 Tucker Carlson? Or are we being governed? And if we're being governed, then it's not time for Robert 01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:01.240 Malone to be on Tucker Carlson anymore, because there's too many people that are awake. 01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:09.640 And we don't dare want to wake any of those TV watchers up anymore. We don't dare want to 01:07:09.640 --> 01:07:15.080 wake any of those TV watchers up anymore. Those people are the last trapped people. 01:07:17.560 --> 01:07:22.840 And so his job now is to talk to you and me and all the people that are already awake and know 01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:28.760 something's wrong and are never going to take another shot and make sure that they don't question 01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:32.760 the novel virus narrative. They don't question the gain of function narrative. They don't question 01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:38.440 anything going forward because their next one, they're going to bring out another one of these 01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:46.040 shots and say it's better. And so you got to accept a novel virus and you got to accept 01:07:46.040 --> 01:07:50.360 the contamination and you got to accept the quality control narrative so that the next one 01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:58.600 can be better. Maybe they'll use electricity and DNA and again, and Novio will get a contract 01:07:58.600 --> 01:08:03.480 and then you'll be taking the vaccine from trusted Robert Malone, the most interesting man in the 01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:13.080 world, to save you from Marburg virus. We're being played, ladies and gentlemen, by somebody who calls 01:08:13.080 --> 01:08:19.320 himself a molecular biologist, virologist, pathologist, immunologist, bioethicist, 01:08:21.160 --> 01:08:25.960 and horse trader had to live with the consequences. But what I learned from that was that 01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:37.320 if you maintain good friendships and good relations with colleagues, you can survive a blow like that. 01:08:37.320 --> 01:08:44.600 They'll help you. I use the metaphor of a rock and roller throwing himself onto a mosh pit. 01:08:45.400 --> 01:08:51.800 You know the image that I'm talking about and finding that people would catch me and hold me 01:08:52.760 --> 01:09:01.480 and allow me to carry on. And with that comes a huge sense of security that you can act 01:09:02.360 --> 01:09:09.560 in accordance with your morals even though it will often have major consequences 01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:17.720 and still survive. But the thing about it is that you come through that and you still own your soul. 01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:26.200 I think we're worth it. So here's an important piece of the puzzle that I'm trying to unveil, 01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:33.480 and it's to do the fact that you would not have been able to get through that period 01:09:33.480 --> 01:09:43.560 without the support of Jill. And secondly, I know that Jill was a primary factor in you speaking 01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:49.560 out about your work with mRNA because you could have kept silent. You could have just let it ride. 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:58.040 Why did Jill insist that? Listen, you need to share this. You need to talk about this. Why was 01:09:58.040 --> 01:10:03.720 because there was a no bell rise at so remember that when I left the salt, I left with a diagnosis 01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:08.600 of PTSD because they were saying that people were being saved by the millions and they weren't 01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:15.480 given any credit to my husband. That's why Jill urged him to speak up. It certainly wasn't to save 01:10:15.480 --> 01:10:22.120 people. It certainly wasn't to tell everybody not to take it. They were advocating for every 01:10:22.120 --> 01:10:28.680 old person to get this shot. Apparently, he took it himself after he had COVID as if that makes any 01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:34.920 sense to an immunologist, a molecular biologist, virologist, not a very smart one of those. 01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:43.880 And that's not a trivial thing. I don't just say that. I was a hot mess. And that's something that 01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:53.160 doesn't go away throughout much of my professional life to find myself in highly competitive environments 01:10:53.960 --> 01:11:04.040 where the same kinds of behaviors are common. And I had also since those early discoveries 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:16.120 really had a heck of a lot of gaslighting and ridicule from people who benefited by positioning 01:11:16.120 --> 01:11:23.640 themselves as more important than they were in the story and building companies off of that, 01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:34.200 and so I had learned a survival strategy of basically staying quiet and laying low 01:11:35.480 --> 01:11:46.280 being not readily visible. I certainly would speak at conferences but didn't make much of. 01:11:47.080 --> 01:11:53.240 I basically set aside that early trauma and the events associated with it and just went on with 01:11:53.240 --> 01:12:04.280 my life and built other skill sets and other research focus. And so when this started to heat 01:12:04.280 --> 01:12:13.320 up and frankly, particularly, I was triggered by a comedian in Canada who posts videos under the 01:12:14.040 --> 01:12:21.080 pseudonym What's Her Face that did a video that really went through and dissected what happened 01:12:21.160 --> 01:12:28.120 to my Wikipedia page after I was on the Dark Horse podcast and all the wicked editing that 01:12:28.120 --> 01:12:36.760 happened with that to write me out of history. And at the time, there was a clear marketing 01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:45.240 campaign to get Currico and Weisman the Nobel. This is two and a half years ago now. And my wife 01:12:46.200 --> 01:12:52.200 who has lived through all of this experience at first hand, Dr. Jill Glasspool Malone. 01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:59.880 Dr. Jill Glasspool Malone, it's a little shitty because certain doctorate is not in 01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:08.600 something like biology or molecular biology or virology or pathology or anything related to 01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:18.280 medicine except it's psychology. So, you know, doctor, it's just lame. I don't ever call myself 01:13:18.280 --> 01:13:23.000 Dr. Jonathan Cooley because I think it's kind of lame. If you're not a medical doctor, you should 01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:32.680 say Mr. Mrs. And you can say PhD if you want, you know, but I just don't see the point of saying 01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:40.200 Dr. Jill Malone, unless you're really, you know, you mean something with it. Like, and here, 01:13:40.200 --> 01:13:47.960 you can only mean to mislead people. And it's annoying. I find it really annoying. Just when 01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:56.120 you say Dr. Paul control, you know, you say Dr. Kevin McCann. Everybody introduces me as JJ. 01:13:56.120 --> 01:14:00.200 And then everybody says, yeah, but that's all diminutive and everything. What it is is humble. 01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:08.920 Because I understand that I'm just a reader. I understand that I have a lot of bench experience 01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:14.440 with a very limited aspect of molecular biology, a very limited aspect of neurobiology, a very 01:14:14.440 --> 01:14:21.800 limited aspect of animal behavior, a very limited aspect of small animal surgery, a very limited 01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:32.040 aspect of of animal breeding, and an absolute mountain of expertise on electrophysiology and 01:14:32.040 --> 01:14:42.760 brain slices. And with that, extremely weird, but varied background in biology that includes 01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:49.000 an enthusiasm of birds since I was a kid, collecting reptiles since I was a kid, a love of all kinds 01:14:49.080 --> 01:14:57.640 of animals since I was a child. I come at this with a firm and beautiful respect for nature 01:14:58.200 --> 01:15:06.840 and how complex it is. And a real firm understanding that the real appreciation that you need to have 01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:11.480 as a biologist is that there's so much that we're never going to be able to figure out because it is 01:15:11.480 --> 01:15:16.040 this complex interaction of complex interactions with complex interactions 01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:18.840 with pattern integrities. 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:33.080 I just don't feel the sacred here. We're being sold down the river by people who've already 01:15:33.080 --> 01:15:37.720 given up on the sacred who already believe all of the keys are in our hands. They believe that 01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:43.480 it's just a matter of time before all these mysteries are going to be solved and all these 01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:49.080 nuts are going to be cracked. Robert Malone is exactly one of these people 01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:54.920 who probably thinks there's too many people on the planet and certainly too many mouth breathers 01:15:57.160 --> 01:16:01.480 and that we need to use the medical data that we can to make this go forward because otherwise 01:16:01.480 --> 01:16:10.040 it will never go forward. And I think he's positioning himself for whatever changes are to come, 01:16:10.040 --> 01:16:14.280 just like a lot of these people are, just like I am and just like you should be. 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:22.840 Said no, Robert, this time I insist you have to stand up and fight what's being done to you. 01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:30.760 And I really, you know, I'd partitioned all of that in my mind and set it aside and 01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:38.280 really didn't look at it, didn't try not to think about it as a defense mechanism. 01:16:39.080 --> 01:16:45.240 And she hauled out, we had carried the old data to the extent that we were able to extract it from 01:16:45.240 --> 01:16:51.080 by Cal and the salt. We carried it with us in a great big box through all the moves and academic 01:16:51.080 --> 01:16:58.440 appointments and everything. And she hauled it out and went through it and pulled out key documents 01:16:58.440 --> 01:17:05.160 and assembled them and wrote an essay in which she described from her point of view what had 01:17:05.240 --> 01:17:12.440 transpired. You see, and that essay is something that Mark has captured images of and she had 01:17:12.440 --> 01:17:17.640 posted this essay on Facebook. So even though that essay doesn't really exist anymore on the 01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:23.080 internet, it's still there in some places. I think you can still have a, there's still a link and 01:17:23.080 --> 01:17:31.000 included the receipts, the documents and the patent disclosures, etc. And, and sent that off 01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:45.000 to UC San Diego, faculty and leadership, Salk Institute, people at Moderna, an old colleague 01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:51.160 that had invited us to the Carolinska years and years ago, that was- 01:17:51.160 --> 01:17:55.640 So she sent a letter to Moderna, the Salk Institute, the University of San 01:17:56.600 --> 01:18:03.640 San Diego, or wherever that was. She sent that letter to all those places. That's pretty bold. 01:18:07.080 --> 01:18:13.080 A letter about PTSD, a letter about his, his, his ideas getting stolen from him, 01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:18.760 idea about how millions of people's lives are being saved by his technology and nobody's giving 01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:23.800 him any credit for it. She sent that letter to Moderna and the Salk Institute. 01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:35.480 Volved in RNA delivery and became a collaborator and was often asked to the Carolinska years and 01:18:35.480 --> 01:18:47.160 years ago, that was involved in Canada, Salk Institute, people at Moderna, an old colleague 01:18:47.160 --> 01:18:54.920 that had invited us to the Carolinska years and years ago, that was involved in RNA delivery 01:18:54.920 --> 01:19:01.160 and became a collaborator and was on the Nobel selection committee a couple years ago. 01:19:02.280 --> 01:19:11.320 And, and basically said, no, this is what's happened. And, so that's, that kind of set that 01:19:11.400 --> 01:19:19.880 all in motion, the process of objecting to being written out of history and having my 01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:25.800 own contributions overlooked. And, of course, there was massive backlash from corporate media, 01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:33.080 notably a very ugly piece, poorly written in the Atlantic Monthly. It has a graphic with two 01:19:33.080 --> 01:19:40.200 syringes crossing over my face like skull and crossbones with my image in red. It's very striking. 01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:45.160 Somebody wrote the other day that it was basically an invitation for assassination as far as they 01:19:45.160 --> 01:19:58.200 were concerned. But I took a lot of arrows over that. And, you know, the Atlantic Monthly, 01:19:58.200 --> 01:20:04.360 the Washington Post, the New York Times, Business Insider, Forbes Magazine, all of these entities, 01:20:05.160 --> 01:20:12.520 as well as my haters in academia, particularly at the Scripps Institute of Research. 01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:21.800 There's one that I don't want to amplify. They all focused just on the published manuscripts. 01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:28.440 None of them will acknowledge the patents. So, because I was at, at a company, all of that stuff 01:20:28.440 --> 01:20:35.480 had to go into patents, not into papers. And so, it's weaponized that, well, I didn't really do 01:20:35.480 --> 01:20:42.200 what I did because I don't have the peer-reviewed publications. Seriously, I had a whole girl, 01:20:42.200 --> 01:20:47.880 poor Robert, written out of history. Only have a few. They happen to be among the most highly 01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:56.200 cited in this area. But that's all whitewashed over as if that... I want to understand, Robert. 01:20:56.200 --> 01:21:00.360 Now, this is an interesting question. As you were talking, I thought about it. 01:21:00.360 --> 01:21:06.600 Just imagine that you had stayed silent as you had typically done. You said nothing. 01:21:07.400 --> 01:21:15.880 And what happened still happened? How would you have felt? Would you have felt the same? Better? 01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:23.640 Worse? What do you think? I think it's good in... It's been particularly therapeutic starting with 01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:28.840 your broadcast, but so many others where I've been asked to tell the story of what transpired 01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:36.280 at the soul and at Vycal. And there's a school of thought that when you have a traumatic event, 01:21:36.280 --> 01:21:42.280 you need to talk about it many times before you can heal from that event. 01:21:43.080 --> 01:21:49.960 And I'm a much better person, even though it's been rough. I'm certainly healthier 01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:57.960 psychologically because I have gone through this process of sharing and expressing 01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:04.440 what I've experienced. And I've had feedback from so many people, particularly graduate students 01:22:04.440 --> 01:22:11.560 that have in postdocs that have had to live in this really rather twisted modern academic environment 01:22:12.120 --> 01:22:18.120 express to me, you know, I so much appreciate what you said. I had similar experiences. 01:22:19.080 --> 01:22:24.360 These are what happened to me. And I think the whole thing, not to sound too touchy-feely, 01:22:25.160 --> 01:22:32.440 has been very therapeutic. I know when he tells the story of his PTSD that he experienced with his 01:22:32.440 --> 01:22:38.040 patent dispute with Vycal and the Salk Institute, I think to myself, man, I just want to call 01:22:38.680 --> 01:22:44.280 and tell Robert Malone how happy I am that somebody's finally speaking out about the way 01:22:44.280 --> 01:22:54.120 that us postdocs suffer. Just for me, but for a whole cohort of people that have also experienced 01:22:55.320 --> 01:23:02.760 these types of rather average behavior from high profile academics. I'm going to share 01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:09.480 something here now. So this is the Nobel Prize. This is the second of October. So this is the 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:15.720 PDF from the Nobel Institute. And they have here, Catalina, Kariko, and Drew Weisman. 01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:25.240 I want you because you knew this was coming. And I want to understand because I'm thinking 01:23:25.240 --> 01:23:30.920 about it from a scientific point of view. When you've done work and you've created ideas 01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:39.080 and then not be credited for it, it does hurt. Did this hurt? Even though you knew it was coming. 01:23:39.080 --> 01:23:48.040 Did it hurt? To reel back, when Steve Kirsch and I went on the Brett Weinstein Dark Horse podcast, 01:23:49.080 --> 01:23:54.360 three of us sat around for about 20 minutes before we started the broadcast and discussed 01:23:55.080 --> 01:24:02.280 the potential consequences of what we were about to do. Oh my gosh, the consequences could be 01:24:02.280 --> 01:24:12.200 drastic. Brett, you could lose the Google payouts that you get from YouTube and the ads that run 01:24:12.200 --> 01:24:20.520 on your extraordinary podcast. Robert Malone could lose all of his illustrious career as a 01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:28.760 vaccine broker and horse salesman. And Steve Kirsch, he's got his own company. So he'll be fine. Oh no, 01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:32.040 wait a minute. He was asked to step down from his company. 01:24:35.400 --> 01:24:44.360 So they took the risk anyway, and they titled the podcast three easy steps to end the pandemic. 01:24:45.480 --> 01:24:50.200 And then in the first 10 minutes of the podcast, Brett proceeded to tell everybody how they were 01:24:50.280 --> 01:24:59.400 an example of how strangers could hang out without masks, because infection and injection on the 01:24:59.400 --> 01:25:05.880 right, double injection on the left, and master of prophylactic ivermectin in the middle. 01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:16.040 We haven't forgotten he would like us to have forgotten that he never came out against anything. 01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:28.200 And you could call it speaking against the narrative of safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines. 01:25:29.320 --> 01:25:36.200 And we thought at the time, Steve was the one that was most bomb proof because he had his own company. 01:25:37.080 --> 01:25:41.960 It caused him to lose his company. His board of directors basically asked for his resignation. 01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:52.920 And Brett, certainly he got demonetized. That was a huge impact for him. My understanding is he was 01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:58.840 quite depressed for a while. And as you would well imagine, if that's your main source of income, 01:25:58.840 --> 01:26:06.440 getting demonetized from YouTube. And for me, the discussion was that the Nobel was in play 01:26:07.160 --> 01:26:16.600 at that time, and that this would jinx my ability to prevail in that or be included in it. And so 01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:25.640 it was a conscious decision that that was a risk, consciously taken, but that it was the right thing 01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:34.120 to speak at that time. And so when this dropped, I was in one sense surprised, in another sense, 01:26:34.120 --> 01:26:39.800 not surprised. I was surprised in that my colleague from the Carolinska that I mentioned, who's a 01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:46.840 full professor and works on RNA delivery and self-replicating RNAs, had assured me that the 01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:54.040 committee two years ago had reviewed the contributions of Currico and Weismann and had determined that 01:26:54.040 --> 01:27:03.080 they were not sufficiently meritorious to warrant the price. And the committee at the time apparently 01:27:03.160 --> 01:27:11.480 was surprised because they had not been aware that I had done that original work. And as apparently 01:27:11.480 --> 01:27:16.360 Moderna and Pfizer were not aware because they didn't cite the patents, and that's another story 01:27:16.360 --> 01:27:21.640 right now. They're busy in a patent battle. And now Pfizer paradoxically is citing those old patents 01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:31.720 in their attacks against Mert, I mean, against Moderna. So I had been told that the committee had 01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:38.120 reviewed this and found that it was not sufficiently meritorious. And my expectation was that the 01:27:38.120 --> 01:27:44.520 committee was just going to stay away from this topic, you know, certainly for many years until it 01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:54.040 had declared itself, let's say, in terms of what were the real issues with this product, 01:27:54.040 --> 01:28:01.400 these mRNA vaccines for COVID and the technology platform, et cetera. But clearly, 01:28:01.400 --> 01:28:08.520 they decided not to. They decided to take it up and they voted to grant this in a very odd way. 01:28:10.360 --> 01:28:16.040 It is, it is, and you've got it highlighted there. Basically, they did a carve out 01:28:16.280 --> 01:28:27.480 just for this to make this award. And the wording is crucial there, as is the press release that 01:28:27.480 --> 01:28:38.920 corresponds to this. The, it's the carve out is restricted to just mRNA vaccines against COVID-19. 01:28:38.920 --> 01:28:48.040 So this is a Nobel award for enabling the rapid development of mRNA vaccines against COVID-19, 01:28:48.040 --> 01:28:54.120 not for the development of the core technology platform or anything else. So as Jill and I were 01:28:54.120 --> 01:29:00.680 pondering this and, you know, mRNA just read it there through their groundbreaking findings, 01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:08.760 which have fundamentally changed our understanding of how mRNA interacts with our immune system. 01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:17.960 That's the key. So by chemically altering the mRNA, we have learned a little bit more about how 01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:23.160 mRNA interacts with our immune system or interacts with the intracellular machinery, 01:29:24.040 --> 01:29:30.280 which processes mRNA and foreign mRNA in particular. We've learned a little bit more 01:29:30.920 --> 01:29:41.000 enough to use it as an excuse that contributed to the unprecedented rate of vaccine development. 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:48.200 So during one of the greatest threats to human health in modern times. So 01:29:51.080 --> 01:29:56.200 what's important to see here in my, from my perspective, is that Robert is now still having 01:29:56.280 --> 01:30:00.840 a debate about what role he played in the development of the mRNA technology 01:30:02.360 --> 01:30:08.760 and what things are going to contribute ultimately to the enablement of these development, 01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:15.240 the development of the COVID-19 vaccine. So what part of this is he not going to challenge? 01:30:16.120 --> 01:30:23.320 He's not going to challenge that this was one of the greatest threats to human health in modern 01:30:23.320 --> 01:30:34.120 times. If he was trying to free us like like Jessica Hockett and Nick Hudson and Thomas Binder 01:30:34.120 --> 01:30:44.760 and Peter McCullough and Bobby and a lot of other people, I think, are trying to free us. 01:30:45.240 --> 01:30:55.160 Excuse me. We've really got to get it into our heads that one of the things that we needed to 01:30:55.160 --> 01:31:01.080 spell is this mythology that it was one of the greatest threats to human health in modern times. 01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:06.520 Bobby's not there yet. Peter McCullough is not there yet, but we're trying. 01:31:08.360 --> 01:31:13.080 And you saw that Peter McCullough had the first time at a sparkle in his eye about this idea 01:31:13.160 --> 01:31:19.240 when he was talking to Daddy Rancour. So we're going to get there, but we've got to keep pushing 01:31:19.240 --> 01:31:25.160 and we can't let people put it on the screen and then not talk about it. Distract us with 01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:32.280 you know, the precise wording of enabled the development of or no, we are now 01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:39.080 putting into the Nobel Prize record that they saved us from one of the greatest threats in 01:31:39.160 --> 01:31:44.280 modern history. So the lie is not the biology of the mRNA vaccine. The lie is that. 01:31:47.480 --> 01:31:52.040 That's the lie. That's what makes it okay for it to have been rushed. That's what makes it okay 01:31:52.040 --> 01:32:00.840 for it to have contaminants and still get the award because otherwise it wouldn't get a reward, 01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:05.000 right? It wouldn't get an award if it hadn't saved anybody's lives. Then it would have been 01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:11.800 a rushed product that hurt a lot of people. I hope you can see how important it is 01:32:12.600 --> 01:32:19.640 that that's in there, that they're saying it, that it is the justification for awarding them 01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:27.720 the prize and talking about the biology of that is accepting the fact that the greatest threat 01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:30.680 to human health in modern times just passed us by. 01:32:31.160 --> 01:32:37.800 Or anything else. So as Jill and I were pondering this and you know, how do we process this and deal 01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:44.040 with it? Her point immediately was, well, actually this is kind of indicating because the committee 01:32:44.040 --> 01:32:53.880 has not, has explicitly not made the award for the invention of the technology, which was what was 01:32:54.200 --> 01:33:02.600 being advanced in the press in stat news in Boston and others, CNN originally, before I started 01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:08.840 objecting, was that Kariko and Weissman were the ones that had created this technology. When in 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:15.640 fact, they came, they didn't even start doing any of this stuff until 15 years after what I did. 01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:27.560 So, so in a way, it was okay. Now, the assertions that are made by the committee 01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:37.160 are largely false and fairly transparently false. The assertion that Kariko and Weissman 01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:44.920 produced these four papers that involved the use of a a pseudo-uridine modified base 01:33:45.480 --> 01:33:54.680 incorporated into synthetic RNA, reducing inflammatory responses relative to non-modified RNA. 01:33:55.880 --> 01:34:02.520 They hold the patent on that from you, Penn. And that patent is fascinating because it says nothing 01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:09.960 about vaccines. And Kariko and Weissman originally did not intend to work on vaccines, but rather 01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:19.880 were focused on cancer when they did these discoveries. So, there it's absolutely true 01:34:19.880 --> 01:34:27.160 as the committee asserts that Kariko and Weissman made these discoveries and they made them after I 01:34:27.240 --> 01:34:36.040 had left. And I've congratulated them on that achievement of the Nobel Prize for their discovery. 01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:45.320 The next statement that's made there in that clause that justifies the product and in the 01:34:45.320 --> 01:34:54.200 press releases, they talk about effective vaccines. That's highly debatable. And they also assert 01:34:54.200 --> 01:35:01.240 in the press release, the vaccines have saved millions of lives and greatly reduced disease. 01:35:02.040 --> 01:35:10.200 That's also really in flux right now, that that thesis. But you notice they speak of effective, 01:35:10.200 --> 01:35:15.560 they don't say safe and effective, which has become the mantra. So, they dropped a safe part. 01:35:17.240 --> 01:35:23.000 And then in their press release, they talked about that what was really important here was that 01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:29.320 the pseudo-uridine invention was what was enabling for the rapid development of these products. And 01:35:29.320 --> 01:35:37.880 that's also a false statement. The discovery phase and development of the, let's say, composition 01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:45.880 of matter, that's technical patent talk for a vaccine is usually, and in this case also, a very 01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:55.160 small fraction of the overall, the discovery phase and development of the, let's say, composition 01:35:55.160 --> 01:36:01.800 of matter, that's technical patent talk for a vaccine is usually in, in this technical 01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:09.000 in development of the, let's say, composition of matter, that's technical patent talk for a vaccine 01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:15.640 is usually in, and in this case also, a very small fraction of the overall time necessary for 01:36:15.640 --> 01:36:20.840 development. The reason why these vaccines were developed so quickly had nothing to do with mRNA, 01:36:21.880 --> 01:36:30.200 but largely had to do with dropping the normal processes for assessing pharmacology, toxicology, 01:36:30.200 --> 01:36:35.560 biodeistribution. No, there is not wrong. It's really interesting to say that their, 01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:43.800 that their new idea of chemically altering uracils was an enabling technology that allowed 01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:48.440 these vaccines to develop so quickly. But in reality, the only thing that needed to be done was 01:36:48.440 --> 01:36:54.440 we needed to shorten and get rid of all this regulatory procedure and declare an emergency under the 01:36:54.440 --> 01:37:02.280 prep act, which is really what he should say here, right? Which is really what he should say here. 01:37:02.280 --> 01:37:08.360 He should say it explicitly declaring an emergency under the prep act is what allowed this to happen. 01:37:08.440 --> 01:37:14.040 He should say that explicitly. If he was trying to save us, will he say it? 01:37:16.600 --> 01:37:23.880 Pharmacokinetics in phase one, two, three clinical trials, pharmacosis for assessing 01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:31.880 pharmacology, toxicology, biodeistribution, pharmacokinetics, in phase one, two, three clinical trials. 01:37:32.520 --> 01:37:37.800 That was a pretty stupid, complicated way of saying that they declared an emergency under the prep act 01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:42.840 and then that meant they didn't have to do anything. You could keep it real simple, but instead, 01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:50.200 it's often stupid, complicated. And you don't say what needs to be said. That's how the narrative 01:37:50.200 --> 01:37:54.120 is being controlled. Ladies and gentlemen, that's why we have to listen to Robert Malone, because 01:37:54.120 --> 01:38:01.160 then we can hear the barriers. We can hear the boundaries. We can hear the boundaries of the 01:38:01.160 --> 01:38:05.720 debate on this side when we listen to Robert Malone. We can hear the boundaries of the debate on the 01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:12.840 other side when we watch PBS NewsHour. And once we can see where the boundaries of the debate are, 01:38:12.840 --> 01:38:20.920 we can start pushing there. Because otherwise, we're pushing on their practice dummies. 01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:31.160 And we're running in their little wheels. So we got to listen carefully. We got to find out 01:38:31.160 --> 01:38:37.240 where the edge of this narrative is and that we need to push hard on it. And so some of the 01:38:37.240 --> 01:38:44.520 places he's pushing are real. It didn't save millions of lives. It didn't enable the technology. 01:38:44.520 --> 01:38:51.800 The prep act enabled it. But then as he says it correctly, he stops short of giving you the truth. 01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:56.680 And that's exactly the magic. That's exactly the enchantment. 01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:03.400 He should have done said the prep act and emergency here. And he should have done 01:39:03.400 --> 01:39:08.120 said that we need to stop the government from being able to declare an emergency again. And then 01:39:08.120 --> 01:39:17.480 all this goes away. But he's not saying it. Including dose escalation. And not to mention the 01:39:17.480 --> 01:39:25.320 nonclinical and clinical toxicology. So it was it was the dropping of the regulatory norms that 01:39:25.320 --> 01:39:29.480 resulted in this being done so quickly. It wasn't really anything to do with pseudoridine. 01:39:30.200 --> 01:39:35.560 Well, it raises a good point because I was asking about this as I was doing my research. 01:39:36.520 --> 01:39:43.320 I realized that actually they even modified the pseudoridine even further by creating an N1 01:39:43.320 --> 01:39:50.120 methyl serodeuridine, which is what they've used in the vaccines, which is quite remarkable. I guess 01:39:50.120 --> 01:39:57.560 what they're saying is just the concept of create using this pseudoridine is the innovation. It 01:39:57.560 --> 01:40:04.760 doesn't matter how you then subsequently adjust it. Yeah, that that could be the logic. It's it's 01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:10.120 I'm not aware. And remember what I said, the salt, I think there was six or eight Nobel laureates 01:40:10.120 --> 01:40:18.920 there, including Francis Crick. I'm not aware in the history of the Nobel Prize for medicine 01:40:18.920 --> 01:40:24.440 or physiology, that those that originated the technology were not included in the final 01:40:24.440 --> 01:40:36.040 award. That's very unusual. And the the point that all of these, let's say irregularities or 01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:46.920 untruths that are used to justify this award, really, in my mind, speak of a 01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:55.560 the logic underneath this, not really being grounded in rigorous science and medicine. 01:40:56.200 --> 01:41:01.240 I think it has more to do with politics. That's a controversial statement on it. Really don't 01:41:01.240 --> 01:41:10.600 want to come across as sour grapes or or denying in any way, or casting shade or disparaging the 01:41:11.080 --> 01:41:17.960 achievement of this, or or to second guess the Nobel Committee, it made their decision. 01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:26.360 But I do note that Pfizer is a major donor to the Carolinska Institute. So whatever happened 01:41:26.360 --> 01:41:37.320 here, it happened. I was surprised you asked about my emotions. I was surprised. What what 01:41:37.400 --> 01:41:45.800 was more hurtful for me than the actual award was the rekindling of the box trolls and social 01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:54.200 media scientists attacks on me, asserting that this demonstrated that I didn't actually do what I did. 01:41:55.240 --> 01:42:02.200 That's that's just hurtful. And it's not it's not based in in fact, 01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:11.000 and it's, you know, it's, it's, you know, what's hurtful is when doctors are told they have to 01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:16.120 follow a protocol and then those doctors follow the protocol and then lie to the patients about 01:42:17.160 --> 01:42:22.040 following the protocol and the fact that it's going to help them. You know what sucks is when 01:42:22.040 --> 01:42:27.800 people are lied to about why they have to stay away from their grandmother while she's dying. 01:42:27.800 --> 01:42:33.720 You know, it sucks is when people are lied to about why they're being treated the way they're 01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:41.160 treated or how they're being treated or what they're being given. I don't know if he suffered 01:42:41.160 --> 01:42:47.720 that much during the pandemic. I don't know if he's really in a position to whine about just him all 01:42:47.720 --> 01:42:54.840 the time. When lots of other people lost their businesses, lost their jobs, lost their livelihoods, 01:42:54.840 --> 01:43:03.720 lost family members, lost children, lost parents, lost use of their hands. 01:43:09.240 --> 01:43:14.120 I just think it's a little disingenuous for him to be singing for an hour and 15 minutes about 01:43:14.120 --> 01:43:24.360 how much pain he suffered as the hurtful internet. The hurtful, unwritten history that is his 01:43:25.720 --> 01:43:33.720 when he just wants to be a humble horse farmer, famous for saving the world, I guess. 01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:44.360 Tearing off the the scab over the psychological pain, frankly, I don't want to sound like a 01:43:44.360 --> 01:43:56.680 whiner. Do psychological scars have scabs? Of what was deployed against me by corporate media 01:43:57.880 --> 01:44:08.840 two years ago, two and a half years ago, but that's the modern ecosystem in social media is this kind 01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:16.360 of really rather wicked behavior. The way that they brought out the truth was somewhat very similar 01:44:16.360 --> 01:44:23.160 to how they brought it out all the other times in the Scooby-Doo. Robert Malone got to be on Tucker 01:44:23.160 --> 01:44:31.080 Carlson. Robert Malone was on Rogan. Robert Malone was on every podcast. 01:44:31.320 --> 01:44:45.160 And while he was out there, he was telling the story of viruses, telling the story of his technology 01:44:45.160 --> 01:44:52.280 being stolen from him. Telling a broken story about it might be working, it might not be working, 01:44:52.280 --> 01:44:58.840 it should be working. We don't know if it's working. Controlling the narrative, being the star of the 01:44:58.840 --> 01:45:08.120 show, touring the world, touring the world. He's just a humble horse farmer. But in order to save 01:45:08.120 --> 01:45:13.080 the world, he's definitely willing to do a week long cruise off of the coast of Turkey with a bunch 01:45:13.080 --> 01:45:24.040 of dissidents. He's definitely willing to go to the EU three times a year. Sometimes he's doing nine 01:45:24.840 --> 01:45:35.400 hits a day, nine podcasts a day. Sometimes he puts out 21 single space pages of text every day. 01:45:37.720 --> 01:45:45.640 And he's got horses and emus. Ladies and gentlemen, something is incongruent here. 01:45:46.440 --> 01:45:53.240 Something is very, very incongruent here. And if we follow this to the end, I think we're 01:45:53.320 --> 01:45:57.160 going to figure out what's going on. I think you're going to see the Scooby Doo for what it is. I 01:45:57.160 --> 01:46:05.240 think we can expose these people because they're all connected. There's no possible way that George 01:46:05.240 --> 01:46:15.960 Webb, Paul Catrell, Robert Malone, Charles Ricksey, Kevin McCann, Dr. Philip McMillan, 01:46:16.760 --> 01:46:24.200 a carrot fund in Bosch, and Dr. Paul Catrell, if I didn't say that already, are not all connected. 01:46:24.200 --> 01:46:30.600 There's just no way. They're definitely all connected. They seem to be all part of the same 01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:38.200 sideshow, pushing the worst case scenario, pushing rumors of the worst case scenario of the shot, 01:46:39.320 --> 01:46:44.200 the worst case scenario of all the different ways the transfection went wrong. 01:46:45.160 --> 01:46:54.040 Instead of all the ways the transfection is wrong. See the difference? All these people are pushing 01:46:54.040 --> 01:47:00.360 the ways the transfection went wrong instead of the ways the transfection is wrong. And they're 01:47:00.360 --> 01:47:06.760 all related. They've all been on each other's shows. Robert Malone has been on this guy's show 01:47:06.760 --> 01:47:11.400 in the same month that he was on Bret Weinstein a month before he went on Joe Rogan and broke the internet. 01:47:14.520 --> 01:47:21.000 And Robert Malone is streamed with Kevin or with Paul Catrell while at the same time talking 01:47:21.000 --> 01:47:25.480 out of the other side of his mouth about how one of his arch nemesis is on the internet is 01:47:25.480 --> 01:47:31.880 none other than George Webb, who says the biggest hero in the medical community speaking out since 01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:38.520 2020 is Paul Catrell, fake doctor, bus rider MD, 01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:50.760 who supposedly his arch em is in arch one of his arch and nemesis in 2020 was none other than 01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:56.840 Kevin McCarid, who convinced me that I should fight with him against the silver salesman. 01:48:02.360 --> 01:48:09.000 Ladies and gentlemen, this is breaking very fast. The illusion is breaking because all of these 01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:15.240 people have underestimated our ability to look back on the internet itself and see the videos 01:48:15.240 --> 01:48:24.520 that they did and see a pattern that's incongruent. But it's very incongruent when you're liars 01:48:25.320 --> 01:48:29.960 and you have to keep track of all the lies that you told it's really hard. 01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:37.720 Especially when there's videos of all the previous lies that you told and anyone can go look at 01:48:37.720 --> 01:48:46.360 them and if they spend enough time, if they waste enough time on the drama, then all kinds of stuff 01:48:46.360 --> 01:48:54.600 seems to fall out. Of people that just want to hate and there's nothing to be done about it. 01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:58.680 You just kind of have to suck it up. Snowflake and deal with it. 01:49:02.920 --> 01:49:07.880 That was the one that was more hurtful than the decision by the committee. I could have used the 01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:16.840 money. But Kariko and Weisman have already scooped up the Lasker award, the similar award from the 01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:21.880 Israeli government. When they got the Lasker award, they wore masks for the photo. 01:49:22.600 --> 01:49:31.720 Her award from the Spanish government. There was clearly a big push here and this is big science 01:49:32.680 --> 01:49:39.720 and that's just the way big science goes. If you don't, one of the things early in my career 01:49:40.440 --> 01:49:49.080 at the Salk, one of the competitors to ender verma was Tony Hunter, who also ran Nobel Laureate. 01:49:49.080 --> 01:49:57.320 I guess I'm now an also ran. For some of his key work, Brilliant Man. Mine like a trap. 01:49:58.200 --> 01:50:05.880 And he once said to me, if you think this is the last major discovery you're ever going to make, 01:50:05.880 --> 01:50:12.200 then you should get out of science right now. This is basically a bucket up 01:50:14.360 --> 01:50:21.320 and don't line. And this is just the way things are. Science is a hard ball game. 01:50:22.280 --> 01:50:28.120 And so, and the other thing about this, you're asking about the emotional state. 01:50:29.400 --> 01:50:36.680 My entire professional career, I've had to deal psychologically with the gaslighting and 01:50:37.960 --> 01:50:46.760 denialism and all of this wire line. And this is just the way things are. Science is going to make, 01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:55.000 then you should to me and for some of his key work, Brilliant Man. It's all one of the competitors 01:50:55.000 --> 01:51:02.680 to ender verma was Tony Hunter, who was also ran Nobel Laureate. I guess I'm now an also ran. 01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:09.240 And for some of his key work, Brilliant Man. Mine like a trap. 01:51:10.200 --> 01:51:17.880 And he once said to me, if you think this is the last major discovery you're ever going to make, 01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:24.120 then you should get out of science right now. This is basically a bucket up 01:51:26.280 --> 01:51:33.240 and don't line. And this is just the way things are. Science is a hard ball game. 01:51:33.880 --> 01:51:40.040 And so, and the other thing about this, you're asking about the emotional state. 01:51:41.400 --> 01:51:48.600 My entire professional career, I've had to deal psychologically with the gaslighting and 01:51:49.880 --> 01:51:56.280 denialism and all of this. And so, I kind of almost had a lot of that, that emotional 01:51:58.120 --> 01:51:59.320 baggage burned out of me. 01:52:00.280 --> 01:52:06.840 You know, I'm going to say something now, and I had responded to a few comments on social 01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:14.280 media as well. And I, as I wrote something, I reflected on it. And my feeling is that the 01:52:14.280 --> 01:52:25.080 technology has some limitations. But my honest instinct is that they did it with the wrong disease 01:52:25.800 --> 01:52:35.560 at too big a scale. Meaning that if they had done what the intention was, which was to focus on the 01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:44.760 high risk cohort and try to protect them with the technology, I think the risk or the potential 01:52:44.760 --> 01:52:51.480 exposure of the technology would have been significantly lower. But the exposure of the 01:52:51.480 --> 01:52:57.240 technology would have been significantly lower. Exactly. You would not have been able to see 01:52:57.240 --> 01:53:02.840 that the technology sucked because it would have just killed old and vulnerable people with 01:53:02.840 --> 01:53:10.040 comorbidities. That's what they should have done. If they were really just intending to get rid of 01:53:10.040 --> 01:53:19.160 the get rid of as much chaff as they could. And he just said it right there. The technology 01:53:19.160 --> 01:53:23.560 would not have been as exposed if they had just used it on the weak and vulnerable. 01:53:25.880 --> 01:53:31.160 But they used it on all kinds of healthy people. And now we've got a problem. Did you hear it? 01:53:33.160 --> 01:53:42.680 The technology for your scale, meaning that if they had done what the intention was, which was 01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:51.240 to focus on the high risk cohort and try to protect them with the technology, I think the 01:53:51.240 --> 01:53:59.320 risk or the potential exposure of the technology would have been significantly lower. And I said 01:53:59.320 --> 01:54:06.600 something here. I'll finish with this statement. I said that no matter what the political situation 01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:15.800 is, the people who have been hurt in one way or the other by the technology will never 01:54:16.360 --> 01:54:25.000 be silent. And that's in effect the thing that is unstoppable. And so the platform, even though 01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:32.360 it could have more modifications, more benefits, could be destroyed at this altar. Any thoughts on 01:54:32.360 --> 01:54:39.800 that? So I had warned about this, and not just the platform, but the entire vaccine enterprise 01:54:39.800 --> 01:54:46.840 has been compromised. And public faith in public health, the reputation of the CDC, 01:54:46.840 --> 01:54:53.480 the reputation of the FDA, I speak about this from time to time. I was speaking to a Portuguese 01:54:53.480 --> 01:55:00.040 audience about a year and a half or two years ago. And an older woman asked me a question and 01:55:00.120 --> 01:55:06.920 prefaced it with a preamble. And she made the point that throughout Europe, the FDA had always 01:55:06.920 --> 01:55:15.960 been believed to be the gold standard for integrity and rigor in regulation of drugs and 01:55:15.960 --> 01:55:22.040 biological products. And that she had come to now understand that the FDA was corrupt 01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:29.080 and could not be relied on. And when she said that, I had not allowed that thought to come 01:55:29.160 --> 01:55:36.200 into my mind up until that point, he didn't think the FDA was corrupt, even though he was 01:55:36.200 --> 01:55:43.160 involved in getting $10 billion worth of grant money from the United States government. And it 01:55:43.160 --> 01:55:51.960 involved in bringing lots of different technologies to market via the FDA. In fact, what did he say? 01:55:52.600 --> 01:56:00.520 Holy shit. He said he worked for a regulatory affairs sweatshop, which had to do with FDA 01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:11.080 regulations. He didn't know that the FDA was not to be trusted until then, even though he was 01:56:11.080 --> 01:56:16.280 in the business for 20 years of taking advantage of gaming that system. 01:56:17.160 --> 01:56:26.360 I mean, can you believe it? Can you believe that he's even got the gall to talk these words, 01:56:26.360 --> 01:56:35.160 to speak these words in this order? But of course he is. He's woozy on with right now. He's on with 01:56:35.160 --> 01:56:47.480 somebody who's on his team. And it was not and rigor in regulation of drugs and biological 01:56:47.480 --> 01:56:55.960 products. And that she had come to now understand that the FDA was corrupt and could not be relied 01:56:55.960 --> 01:57:02.040 on. And when she said that, I had not allowed that thought to come into my mind up until that 01:57:02.040 --> 01:57:09.000 point. And it literally hit me like a brick to the head. That's absurd. That's as absurd as his 01:57:09.000 --> 01:57:19.400 story that he didn't know what the w w w w w w e f or seppy and all these other things people 01:57:19.400 --> 01:57:27.320 were up to before he was told about it at the start of the pandemic. That's the story. That's 01:57:27.400 --> 01:57:33.720 the story that we are told that Robert Malone didn't know about the w f until someone else told 01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:40.920 him during the pandemic. He just woke up. He didn't even know that the FDA was corrupt until someone 01:57:40.920 --> 01:57:53.880 in Portugal told him. Um, in this rush, this Operation Warp Speed, and all of the profit rush 01:57:53.880 --> 01:58:00.680 Operation Warp Speed. Uh oh, I wonder who he's who he's thrown under the bus here. Again, uh, 01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:10.120 in Miss wouldn't that be convenient? Just in time. Coming to the rescue of the blue side. 01:58:10.120 --> 01:58:15.000 Information and disinformation that was propagated by the government and the withholding of 01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:22.600 information about adverse events, for instance, myocarditis in particular. Uh, what we had done 01:58:22.680 --> 01:58:26.440 as a United States health and human services and, uh, 01:58:27.320 --> 01:58:35.880 by defense infrastructure and and really biomedical pharmaceutical complex is we had destroyed or 01:58:35.880 --> 01:58:44.760 severely damaged our competitive position in the world as the preeminent, uh, developer and 01:58:44.760 --> 01:58:51.480 manufacturer of these types of products. And my prediction had been then, and I think we're seeing 01:58:51.480 --> 01:58:59.880 it accelerate that what would be the logical consequence would be that the United States would 01:58:59.880 --> 01:59:09.800 continue to lose its its dominant position in biopharmaceuticals to India and China, one of which 01:59:09.800 --> 01:59:16.120 is considered a hostile nation. And the other one is at best a frenemy, uh, certainly a strong 01:59:16.120 --> 01:59:22.920 competitor. And that's, that's what's happened. The United States now has to import not only final 01:59:22.920 --> 01:59:29.560 drug product, but, uh, drug precursors, if they're going to do that. And the reputation of the FDA 01:59:29.560 --> 01:59:38.360 is trashed globally and, uh, within the States. I, the damage that's been done here, uh, through, 01:59:39.320 --> 01:59:47.800 uh, the logic of emergency use authorization of, uh, products that are proven to be neither safe nor 01:59:47.800 --> 02:00:00.360 effective. Uh, in response to what was, uh, basically marketed or propagandized as a highly lethal 02:00:00.440 --> 02:00:08.600 respiratory virus with a 3.4% case fatality rate. When it based on Ferguson's modeling largely, 02:00:09.400 --> 02:00:17.080 uh, in Imperial college and his group, uh, and has proven to be paradoxically, Mr. Trump got this 02:00:17.080 --> 02:00:24.920 right. Early on, he, there's multiple video clips of him saying that the fatality rate here, I think 02:00:25.000 --> 02:00:32.520 he calls it mortality rate is well less than 1%. That turns out to be the case. Uh, and the whole 02:00:33.080 --> 02:00:38.360 logic that did, and so why won't he explain that they did something in New York City, which Jessica 02:00:38.360 --> 02:00:45.640 Hockett has identified as like a bomb going off and then using those numbers out of context 02:00:48.680 --> 02:00:53.320 and spreading that out throughout the United States in certain places where the protocols could 02:00:53.400 --> 02:01:04.280 be enacted, they were able to create a brief pulse of increase in all cause mortality that they then 02:01:04.280 --> 02:01:15.560 extrapolated from. It's not just the models. It's the models plus this little tiny start blip 02:01:16.360 --> 02:01:20.840 that was required so that everybody could say, but do you see it? It's right here. It's starting. 02:01:21.400 --> 02:01:27.960 It's about to go to a billion people dead. And then of course, as Jessica Hockett showed, 02:01:27.960 --> 02:01:34.440 it just went up. And three weeks later, it went down and it never went up again for the rest of the 02:01:34.440 --> 02:01:43.880 year. And so is he going to point that out? Is he going to explain that it wasn't just the 02:01:43.880 --> 02:01:51.080 exaggeration of the danger of the virus, but it was actually the inversion of the protocols, 02:01:51.080 --> 02:02:00.680 the imposition of the protocols, the complete reduction of the use of antibiotics to treat 02:02:00.680 --> 02:02:11.160 secondary pneumonia? And do you know that a lot of these EUA PCR tests, when those results came back, 02:02:12.040 --> 02:02:19.000 they said under the results that this PCR test cannot rule out effects from secondary 02:02:19.000 --> 02:02:24.920 pneumonia and secondary bacterial infection. Almost all of them say that. Look it up. 02:02:25.960 --> 02:02:34.840 Interpreting these results positive cannot rule out the effects of secondary bacterial infection. 02:02:35.000 --> 02:02:48.360 This was a highly lethal virus that would overwhelm our hospitals, cause us to need to have mass 02:02:48.360 --> 02:02:56.920 graves and pre-servants full of dead bodies and et cetera, et cetera. That's all turned out to be 02:02:56.920 --> 02:03:06.280 false propaganda. But that is what has been used to justify these breaches of what are really 02:03:06.280 --> 02:03:12.040 international norms of ethics and product development that have been developed over decades. And so 02:03:12.680 --> 02:03:21.480 we're now left. I discredited Fauci hotels and Collins since 2020. Collins and his 02:03:21.480 --> 02:03:29.320 immunomethology was in my stream for the first year and a half of my work. Those children have 02:03:29.320 --> 02:03:34.600 been dismissed a long time ago. So I'm sorry you missed it, but I won't go backwards to them. Those 02:03:34.600 --> 02:03:42.920 guys are stooges. Francis Collins is not a genius. Even Tony Fauci is not a genius. These are stooges. 02:03:44.120 --> 02:03:46.120 I could tell you my colleagues in the 02:03:46.440 --> 02:03:51.560 clinical development and earlier phase pharmaceutical development space 02:03:52.520 --> 02:04:05.400 are perplexed now. What's happened in the states with regulatory affairs in the FDA 02:04:06.040 --> 02:04:13.720 is that what had previously been a fairly rigorous and highly structured process. 02:04:14.600 --> 02:04:21.000 We all knew the rules. We knew what the process was. We could project how much it costs. We could 02:04:21.000 --> 02:04:28.200 project the timelines and grind away for a decade to get the product developed and safe and effective. 02:04:29.240 --> 02:04:37.160 And now it's kind of anything goes if they want it to go. And if they want to hold you to 02:04:38.120 --> 02:04:44.360 higher standards, they will and you can't predict what it's going to be. People are left with, 02:04:44.360 --> 02:04:52.680 well, who do I have to pay off? What do I have to do? The whole system is now compromised. 02:04:52.680 --> 02:04:59.080 Its integrity is compromised. And he just figured it out recently because some 02:04:59.640 --> 02:05:05.640 woman at a talk that he was giving in Portugal pointed it out to him. Before that, he didn't 02:05:05.640 --> 02:05:09.400 realize that the FDA was corrupt. All kinds of implications. 02:05:10.200 --> 02:05:14.520 I want to ask you a part of the question because another piece of the puzzle, even though we speak 02:05:14.520 --> 02:05:22.200 of mRNA, the delivery system with regards to lipid nanoparticles. And I heard you speaking about 02:05:22.200 --> 02:05:30.680 this recently. And I also had a recent conference and someone, Christy Grace, had made some very 02:05:30.680 --> 02:05:37.480 important comments about this. And I just brought up here one of the paper that shows major delivery 02:05:37.480 --> 02:05:48.760 systems for these mRNA. Those graphics are grossly naive. Oh, are they? Yes. So all I want to know 02:05:48.760 --> 02:05:58.280 is that when you see the different strategies for delivering the mRNA, have we ever at this scale 02:05:58.280 --> 02:06:08.440 used the LNP in this kind of way? Are there any risks with that? Separate apart from the mRNA? 02:06:09.480 --> 02:06:18.360 Yes, is the answer. And we know this because of data that was shared by Moderna about their phase 02:06:18.360 --> 02:06:23.400 one dose escalation trials with their influenza vaccine candidate was shared to their 02:06:23.960 --> 02:06:31.960 sock holders. It wasn't made public, which shows that at the 100 mic level with the flu expression 02:06:31.960 --> 02:06:42.520 vectors, RNA, they had an enormously high adverse event rate. Something like 30 or 40 percent of 02:06:42.520 --> 02:06:48.920 the patients enrolled at 100 mics had developed serious adverse events over a fairly short period 02:06:48.920 --> 02:06:58.600 of time. So only because a lot of this work is not being done rigorously and by basically treaty 02:06:59.320 --> 02:07:04.760 based on a meeting that was held chaired by Margaret Liu at the World Health Organization 02:07:05.320 --> 02:07:12.040 little over a year ago, the decision has been made within Western regulatory authorities 02:07:12.760 --> 02:07:19.800 that the candidate lipid formulation that you were just referring to that, by the way, 02:07:20.520 --> 02:07:29.800 if somebody in my opinion, if you're going to give the Nobel for the enabling technology. 02:07:31.800 --> 02:07:36.440 The people that should have got it was Peter Collas at University of British Columbia and his 02:07:36.440 --> 02:07:41.880 colleagues because that is the enabling technology. And that technology is licensed to 02:07:41.880 --> 02:07:48.280 a company that I think Justin Trudeau's family owns a lot of, but I could be wrong. 02:07:48.280 --> 02:07:56.120 Is that the lipids in formulation structure in the East of Pegg that is used by all 02:07:56.760 --> 02:08:05.800 Keraback Moderna and Biointech, Pfizer, that's who really made the breakthroughs 02:08:06.440 --> 02:08:13.800 after decades and decades of hard work. And I've known Peter Collas throughout my career as one of 02:08:13.800 --> 02:08:22.360 the top lipid formulation specialists in the world. And if I can just thanks for joining Janet 02:08:22.360 --> 02:08:28.360 horse a little further, there were three companies in the running originally. The third one was 02:08:28.360 --> 02:08:34.200 called Keraback and he was they were funded by an obscure investor that you've never heard of 02:08:34.200 --> 02:08:43.640 before called Elon Musk. And they ran a more conservative phase one trial with antibody 02:08:43.640 --> 02:08:51.720 titers as endpoints in humans in which they used a significantly lower dose than even Pfizer did. 02:08:51.720 --> 02:08:58.920 Member of Moderna's three times Pfizer. Are you hearing that Elon Musk's RNA company used 02:08:58.920 --> 02:09:04.760 a similar mRNA but without pseudo-uridine and they still got a robust response? Not as robust 02:09:04.760 --> 02:09:11.560 as the high dosage of Moderna or of the pseudo-uridine treated high dosage of Pfizer, 02:09:12.840 --> 02:09:18.200 but they got a good reaction. They got of antibody response and they didn't have to use pseudo-uridine. 02:09:19.960 --> 02:09:28.120 Is Keraback the company of Elon Musk being set up as the next best mRNA production line? 02:09:29.320 --> 02:09:36.440 Interesting. And Keraback was a fraction of the Pfizer dose but Keraback did not use pseudo-uridine 02:09:37.560 --> 02:09:43.720 and it got a robust body response but not as high as those that had used the higher doses. 02:09:44.600 --> 02:09:48.600 And they couldn't get funding to carry forward with the product development and it was dropped. 02:09:49.480 --> 02:09:55.160 But those data demonstrate that you don't have to have the pseudo-uridine. It works just fine 02:09:55.160 --> 02:10:00.120 without it. And Moderna didn't use to use the pseudo-uridine. It made a decision kind of the 02:10:00.120 --> 02:10:08.760 last minute to license the enzyme. But the cationic lipid formulations are intrinsically toxic. 02:10:09.960 --> 02:10:16.920 The mRNA and its immunosuppressive characteristics because this isn't really mRNA. This is a chemically 02:10:16.920 --> 02:10:24.360 synthesized molecule that has pseudo-uridine of whichever form throughout its backbone. That's 02:10:24.360 --> 02:10:31.000 not a normal characteristic of RNA. The placement of pseudo-uridine in normal RNA is very strategic 02:10:31.720 --> 02:10:36.040 and specific in where it's placed, not all the way through the molecule. 02:10:37.640 --> 02:10:43.000 And it is absolutely immunosuppressive. That was the intention but that's a double-edged sword, 02:10:43.960 --> 02:10:48.920 especially when you do them with immune responses. And then there's the spike protein. 02:10:49.640 --> 02:10:56.200 And if we compare, for instance, by the FDA and CDC's own admission, 02:10:58.440 --> 02:11:07.160 the Novavax product, which is caterpillar cell produced and caterpillar virus produced spike 02:11:07.160 --> 02:11:15.400 protein, the adenoviral-vectored products, one of which the J&J had been sold in the United States 02:11:15.400 --> 02:11:22.600 until recently. And the two RNA products that also express the spike, they all have the common 02:11:22.600 --> 02:11:31.320 feature of cardiotoxicity, the myocarditis and pericarditis, and yet their core platforms 02:11:31.320 --> 02:11:38.360 when used for other purposes do not show that characteristic. So major problems with myocarditis 02:11:38.360 --> 02:11:44.760 and pericarditis in coagulopathy were not problems with prior adenovctored vaccine candidates. 02:11:45.720 --> 02:11:51.880 They haven't been problems with prior Novavax technology candidates. So I think it's reasonable 02:11:51.880 --> 02:12:01.960 to conclude, you're a scientist, that this is basic Sesame Street stuff. We have these different 02:12:01.960 --> 02:12:07.720 products, they have one common characteristic, they cause this spike protein to be present in 02:12:07.720 --> 02:12:12.920 the body at very high levels in a very abrupt kinetic, very different from the natural infection. 02:12:13.720 --> 02:12:20.040 And systemically, rather than mucosally, so very different, again, from natural infection, 02:12:20.600 --> 02:12:26.040 and they all have this common feature of cardiotoxicity and coagulopathy and stroke and everything. 02:12:26.680 --> 02:12:35.640 And so my thesis is that we have a cluster of toxicities that are attributable to the formulation 02:12:35.640 --> 02:12:40.520 itself in the presence of a polynucleotide, because you can't make these particles, the 02:12:40.520 --> 02:12:45.960 peter colus particles in the absence of a polynucleotide. They have to have a polymer, 02:12:45.960 --> 02:12:52.680 an anionic polymer to self-assemble, you know, based on ionic interactions. 02:12:54.600 --> 02:13:00.600 So the lipid particle is toxic, the mRNA is immunosuppressive, that's a toxicity, 02:13:00.600 --> 02:13:10.360 and the spike protein is toxic. Those toxicities overlap, and the vector sum of those are particles 02:13:11.240 --> 02:13:19.480 in a process that has been very, is very complex from a pharmaceutical standpoint, 02:13:20.120 --> 02:13:26.200 and involves multiple active new chemical entities. 02:13:27.400 --> 02:13:34.760 So I want to ask you a question, Robert, and I wanted to think about from a scientific perspective 02:13:34.760 --> 02:13:45.000 as a scientist. I am baffled why the scientific community as a whole, you know, the public seems 02:13:45.000 --> 02:13:52.280 to have clued in a lot of the public that something isn't quite right. Why is there this almost 02:13:53.000 --> 02:14:00.440 ideological perspective? It's because the narrative has been curated. It's because the 02:14:00.440 --> 02:14:06.760 narrative has been curated by people like Robert Malone, being on streams with Dr. Philip McMillan, 02:14:07.480 --> 02:14:13.960 curating a narrative about an investigational vaccine and about a novel virus that we needed 02:14:13.960 --> 02:14:20.280 to do something for. That's the reason why we're here. That's the answer. There's about 30 or 40 02:14:20.280 --> 02:14:26.040 more minutes of this interview, but like Kim Traveler, I'm also getting tired. I think I'm 02:14:26.120 --> 02:14:31.240 going to cut it short right here. I hope you don't mind. Watch the rest of this and see if 02:14:31.240 --> 02:14:36.680 there's anything interesting for me to pull out a drop in the next couple of streams. Someone dropped 02:14:36.680 --> 02:14:45.240 a little thread in here about data sciences and Vivek and Kushner, and it's interesting, 02:14:45.240 --> 02:14:50.840 so they didn't check it out. Click on it. Thanks very much for joining me, guys. This has been 02:14:50.840 --> 02:14:55.960 Giga Home Biological, a high resistance low noise information brief brought to you by a biologist. 02:14:56.760 --> 02:15:00.440 Don't forget the Ninja Mouse Killer injection of any combination of substances with the 02:15:00.440 --> 02:15:05.240 intent of augmenting the immune system. It's dumb, and if that's too complicated for you, 02:15:05.240 --> 02:15:11.400 just say the Transfections for non-immunizations and stop them. Stop them and everybody. 02:15:12.360 --> 02:15:16.760 They're trying to eliminate the control you're planning means necessary. This has been Giga Home 02:15:16.760 --> 02:15:23.720 Biological. 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