WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.960 All right, as soon as we get somebody in the view in the chat, give me a feedback there 00:09.960 --> 00:17.560 on the synchronous of the video chip. 00:17.560 --> 00:21.680 The sink is now good according to Clarkson who said the sink was off before. 00:21.680 --> 00:24.160 Pamela says the sink is perfect now. 00:24.160 --> 00:25.600 Is that true? 00:25.600 --> 00:31.880 A little off is okay. 00:31.880 --> 00:33.480 A lot of people were saying it was off. 00:33.480 --> 00:34.680 Now we're saying it's on. 00:34.680 --> 00:35.720 Okay, we're on. 00:35.720 --> 00:40.720 So anyway, let's see here. 00:40.720 --> 00:43.000 Where is my friend Alexander? 00:43.000 --> 00:45.000 What's happening with him? 00:45.000 --> 00:59.760 I might have to send him a message, dude, dude, dude. 00:59.760 --> 01:03.960 I told him I'm live, so it'll put more pressure on him to join right away. 01:03.960 --> 01:04.960 Here we go. 01:04.960 --> 01:08.560 I'm just going to place one, just one little image here. 01:08.560 --> 01:13.600 I'll fade out and I'll do one quick one. 01:13.600 --> 01:42.600 He's on his way. 01:42.600 --> 01:43.600 Here we go. 01:43.600 --> 01:45.480 Got this figured out now. 01:45.480 --> 01:51.000 Very short introduction and we'll have Paul, Alexander on for a real quick take. 01:51.000 --> 01:53.800 Thanks again, Greg and Rodney and everybody who supports the stream. 01:53.800 --> 01:58.720 Like I said, I could not have gotten here without you guys. 01:58.720 --> 02:06.320 And it is really just a few people who took a risk on me, just a few people who stuck their 02:06.320 --> 02:13.320 neck out that got me this far and every one of you, thanks. 02:13.320 --> 02:27.880 Oh, I heard somebody. 02:27.880 --> 02:32.400 I heard somebody who I was supposed to push out and then here. 02:32.400 --> 02:33.400 Yes, sir. 02:33.400 --> 02:34.400 Yes, sir. 02:34.400 --> 02:35.400 Yeah, I'm Paul. 02:35.400 --> 02:36.400 Paul here. 02:36.400 --> 02:37.400 I'm Rachel. 02:37.400 --> 02:38.400 All right. 02:38.400 --> 02:40.880 So listen, I'm going to start my recording. 02:40.880 --> 02:42.920 You could do yours. 02:42.920 --> 02:47.280 I have a meeting starting around 12 or 5 or so, 12, 10. 02:47.280 --> 02:53.160 So I just want me to have a casual conversation of what we're trying to say. 02:53.160 --> 02:59.240 And if you don't mind, this time I want you to introduce yourself and a little bit of 02:59.240 --> 03:02.040 your background to my background quickly again. 03:02.040 --> 03:05.360 I want to just do our 50,000 foot few lines. 03:05.360 --> 03:11.880 And then I want us to get into what it is we are trying to see, which is that we want 03:11.880 --> 03:17.160 people to look behind the curtain a little bit and try to begin to think about what it 03:17.160 --> 03:22.800 has happened here, not necessarily why we'll focus on that in the future, but what? 03:22.800 --> 03:32.680 And I will show out to you how about this, each issue, meaning J virus in the beginning 03:32.680 --> 03:39.360 manufactured or natural J lockdowns work for didn't work J and I'll give you my view 03:39.360 --> 03:40.920 and then you give me your view. 03:40.920 --> 03:41.920 Perfect. 03:41.920 --> 03:42.920 How about that? 03:42.920 --> 03:43.920 Perfect. 03:43.920 --> 03:44.920 Good. 03:44.920 --> 03:51.240 So I'm going to start now recording in progress. 03:51.240 --> 03:52.240 Hi, folks. 03:52.240 --> 03:57.480 Once again, this is Dr. Paul Alexander and I have the pleasure of dealing with Jay Kui 03:57.480 --> 03:58.480 again. 03:58.480 --> 04:01.440 Jay, can I refer to you as Dr. Kui? 04:01.440 --> 04:05.200 You can also refer to me as Jay, whatever you feel comfortable with. 04:05.200 --> 04:07.000 You could always call me Paul. 04:07.000 --> 04:08.000 Okay, very good. 04:08.000 --> 04:11.560 We have developed a quick, nice friendship. 04:11.560 --> 04:18.080 I think you've stunned me in the sense of your academic depth and breadth and your grasp 04:18.080 --> 04:22.240 for all of the issues that we've been dealing with for three years, many in the Freedom 04:22.240 --> 04:27.920 Fighter group, many of the scientists and doctors that I work with, do not grasp what 04:27.920 --> 04:30.440 we've dealing with, like how you grasp it. 04:30.440 --> 04:37.160 And that's why I've come towards you because the more I listen to you, the more I read 04:37.160 --> 04:42.800 your work and I unpack it, the more I realize that this guy has studied this, well, you've 04:42.800 --> 04:45.760 brought a lot of years back on to the situation. 04:45.760 --> 04:53.280 So that gives you a very unique insight and I like your personality and your professionalism. 04:53.280 --> 04:58.280 So it is no problem for me to work with you and collaborate. 04:58.280 --> 05:04.320 So we started to talk, right, we did this presentation yesterday, full disclosure, we 05:04.320 --> 05:08.360 dealt with each other before, but we did an official presentation yesterday. 05:08.360 --> 05:13.760 I already put up on sub stack for your listeners, Alexander COVID news. 05:13.760 --> 05:15.640 You put it up on all of your portals. 05:15.640 --> 05:24.360 I put it up on Twitter, GAB, getter, every single channel that people who deal with me 05:24.360 --> 05:25.600 put it up on. 05:25.600 --> 05:34.760 And the response, Jay, is not shocking, but I didn't know that it would have been so well 05:34.840 --> 05:41.320 received that we are challenging people to think in a different way about this. 05:41.320 --> 05:47.360 And again, we are not saying, you are not saying people were wrong and we are not saying 05:47.360 --> 05:48.640 that people were right. 05:48.640 --> 05:53.440 We are saying that we were right and wrong for different reasons too. 05:53.440 --> 06:00.480 And okay, so I'm Dr. Paul Alexander, my background training is in epidemiology, evidence based 06:00.480 --> 06:05.560 medicine, some bioterrorism, et cetera, between Canada, University of Toronto, Oxford 06:05.560 --> 06:09.240 in England, McMaster in Canada. 06:09.240 --> 06:15.120 I did a certificate on the Donald Henderson at Johns Hopkins in bioterrorism. 06:15.120 --> 06:20.600 My work is in infectious disease society of America for about three years, training their 06:20.600 --> 06:26.160 doctors and scientists in how to develop clinical practice guidelines. 06:26.160 --> 06:31.440 I work for WHO, I work for the government of Canada as an epidemiologist, I work for 06:31.440 --> 06:36.800 the government of the United States as a pandemic advisor, and I work for the World Health Organization 06:36.800 --> 06:39.600 as a pandemic consultant advisor. 06:39.600 --> 06:45.400 Jay, can you give us your introduction with a little bit of background for the listeners? 06:45.400 --> 06:46.800 I'm sure I'd be happy to. 06:46.800 --> 06:53.760 So I'm a biologist by training from my bachelor's degree in Chicago. 06:53.840 --> 07:00.000 I was intending on being a doctor, and I applied for medical school after my bachelor's degree 07:00.000 --> 07:06.000 five years in a row, and I was always waitlisted on a couple schools in Chicago but never made 07:06.000 --> 07:09.120 it on to the actual roster. 07:09.120 --> 07:14.120 While I was doing that, I was a high school teacher, and I actually fell in love with 07:14.120 --> 07:20.120 teaching while I was treading water to try and apply for medical school every year. 07:20.200 --> 07:24.600 But the financial aspect of teaching got the best of me, and I actually made a lot more 07:24.600 --> 07:27.560 money as a bartender, if you can imagine. 07:27.560 --> 07:33.520 So I took a few years off as a bartender and was just kind of living a life of a 20-something 07:33.520 --> 07:40.280 year old in Chicago, and I made a few bad choices with regard to my responsibilities 07:40.280 --> 07:43.680 at the bar and the owner of the bar, let me go. 07:43.680 --> 07:48.560 So I was forced to find another job, and I actually applied for a job for somebody that 07:48.600 --> 07:54.440 had microscope experience and good hands at the University of Chicago, and a lifelong 07:54.440 --> 08:03.040 friend of mine, Colin Hoam had taught me patch-clamp physiology as a bartender. 08:03.040 --> 08:06.720 And he took me under his wing. 08:06.720 --> 08:11.880 He taught me a lot of methodology, but also a lot of philosophy about how to get my act 08:11.880 --> 08:16.280 together again and how to show up on time and this kind of thing. 08:16.280 --> 08:22.760 And working as a technician at the University of Chicago with him, I met a Harvard Mansfelder 08:22.760 --> 08:27.920 who after he became a professor in the Netherlands invited me to the Netherlands to do my PhD 08:27.920 --> 08:29.480 with him. 08:29.480 --> 08:34.840 And so in about a month, I had gone from not knowing really what I wanted to do to being 08:34.840 --> 08:39.920 offered this, you know, live in the Netherlands for a few years and learn biology and maybe 08:39.920 --> 08:43.120 become a university professor. 08:43.120 --> 08:48.280 And that led me to meeting my wife in the Netherlands, us moving to Norway and working 08:48.280 --> 08:53.600 with Edward and Mabert Moser, where I continued to develop these techniques in more advanced 08:53.600 --> 08:59.080 ways and then tried to go back to the Netherlands and get tenure where I didn't get enough money 08:59.080 --> 09:01.200 as a foreigner to stay. 09:01.200 --> 09:07.200 So my wife moved with me to Pittsburgh here in 2016, where I became a research assistant 09:07.200 --> 09:12.120 professor at the University of Pittsburgh, and I wasn't really able to scratch my teaching 09:12.120 --> 09:13.120 itch. 09:13.120 --> 09:19.240 I taught one class at Carnegie Mellon that was okay, but because I had to do all my laboratory 09:19.240 --> 09:23.480 stuff anyway, it wasn't really a nice side job. 09:23.480 --> 09:28.760 And so I started doing a YouTube videos on my bike ride because I was riding my bike 09:28.760 --> 09:33.480 from my house to the University of Pittsburgh every day, which was about nine miles. 09:33.480 --> 09:39.360 And this was a journal club where I would talk about a neuroscience paper on my bicycle. 09:39.360 --> 09:45.680 And when the COVID pandemic broke out, I did three bike rides that were basically COVID, 09:45.680 --> 09:50.720 not COVID, but coronavirus review bike rides where I talked about lots of papers and the 09:50.720 --> 09:55.720 technology and the molecular biology behind gain of function because I had worked at the 09:55.720 --> 10:03.160 University of Erasmus in the Netherlands when I was there in the early 2012 through 16. 10:03.160 --> 10:09.880 So long story short, I've been an academic biologist for a long time, and I have been 10:09.880 --> 10:17.600 a well-rounded one, and I've been often interested in transitioning to teaching full-time. 10:17.600 --> 10:23.560 I found creating videos quite fun, and once I started making videos about the coronavirus 10:23.560 --> 10:26.560 pandemic, I started to get into a lot of trouble. 10:26.560 --> 10:32.840 I got an email from the media corporation that's tied to the University of Pittsburgh, 10:32.840 --> 10:38.840 and UPMC, which said that they saw that I had made a comment in the Washington Times, 10:38.840 --> 10:44.040 and that they've seen my YouTube channel, and they reminded me that my expertise was 10:44.040 --> 10:45.600 neurobiology. 10:45.600 --> 10:50.520 So I took that as a pretty interesting email, and about three months later, they asked me 10:50.520 --> 10:55.720 to send my badge and keys in because they didn't think it was safe for me to continue 10:55.720 --> 10:57.520 coming to campus. 10:57.520 --> 11:03.240 So then I just kept teaching on the internet and kept trying to learn the stuff that I 11:03.240 --> 11:11.800 hadn't fully mastered, and that led to me eventually getting the attention of Robert 11:11.800 --> 11:17.200 F. Kennedy Jr. and Children's Health Defense, and so now I have a consulting relationship 11:17.200 --> 11:23.120 with them that allows me to make videos and also help them with figuring this out. 11:23.120 --> 11:27.040 So I'm helping them behind the scenes, and I'm also continuing to try and teach as much 11:27.040 --> 11:31.600 as I can online, and I contacted you to give me 15 minutes, and you gave me a little 11:31.600 --> 11:34.080 more time than that, and now here we are. 11:34.080 --> 11:42.240 Well, well, first of all, G is a fascinating story, and again, full disclosure, we talk 11:42.240 --> 11:49.920 a little bit more, and I'm going to know G a little bit more, too, and you know, sometimes 11:49.920 --> 11:56.920 you get very humble by people, and some people that come across initially as very unassuming 11:56.920 --> 12:01.760 in the sense that you don't really understand the depth and the breadth and where they're 12:01.760 --> 12:03.280 coming from. 12:03.280 --> 12:08.960 But as we have spoken, I realize that you have more to offer the world, not just the 12:08.960 --> 12:14.080 United States, but the world and what we're dealing with here, because our problem right 12:14.080 --> 12:17.240 now is we're trying to understand the what. 12:17.240 --> 12:22.040 We're going to get to why people did certain things, because that's very gossipy and nice 12:22.040 --> 12:23.040 too. 12:23.120 --> 12:28.600 We need to figure out what really happened here, and we have a lot of people in the 12:28.600 --> 12:29.600 freedom movement. 12:29.600 --> 12:34.560 You know, I work with the giants like Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Harvey Wish, and I even 12:34.560 --> 12:37.600 know Bobby Kennedy well, I didn't several interviews with him. 12:37.600 --> 12:45.520 I think he's one of our advocates out there, and doing a good job in terms of the childhood 12:45.520 --> 12:49.840 vaccines, and I did a nice interview with him a couple months ago that we're still trying 12:49.880 --> 12:54.480 to edit up to put it out there. 12:54.480 --> 13:00.280 The people who published my book also published his book, Sky Horse, so we have a lot of things 13:00.280 --> 13:01.280 in common. 13:01.280 --> 13:03.920 I'm glad that you're getting some support. 13:03.920 --> 13:08.080 I just want to see, because when I'm done, I'm putting this on sub-stack, I'm putting 13:08.080 --> 13:15.040 this on Getter, Gab, Twitter everywhere, that channel, what do you call telegram? 13:15.040 --> 13:20.840 And I would ask all my people, people who follow me, and look, I know this has become 13:20.840 --> 13:25.240 an incestuous thing, and everybody have their own people who follows you. 13:25.240 --> 13:30.160 I'm telling you, I'm telling you, support Jay. 13:30.160 --> 13:37.280 Find a way to support this guy, find his site, Jay, what's the, what's the address? 13:37.280 --> 13:44.680 It's giggleombiological.com, which is I know a pretty lame amount of words, but it's on 13:44.680 --> 13:48.800 the site they're watching now, and you really don't need to worry too much about that right 13:48.800 --> 13:49.800 now. 13:49.800 --> 13:51.560 I think we should focus on getting this message out. 13:51.560 --> 13:53.520 I really appreciate it. 13:53.520 --> 13:59.920 So listen, so from the beginning, Jay, people like myself, again, the people I'm working 13:59.920 --> 14:07.800 with, people like Avery Brinkley, Ramen Oskwe, we've been out there hammering away. 14:07.800 --> 14:14.720 We even have Dr. Naomi Wolf who joined the fall fighting against the ravages, particularly 14:14.720 --> 14:22.000 Dr. James Thorp, the damages of the mRNA vaccine on the developing child in utero, and the 14:22.000 --> 14:23.240 pregnant woman, et cetera. 14:23.240 --> 14:25.160 So we know we had a big problem. 14:25.160 --> 14:29.400 So from the beginning, we've looked at the science and we saw that no lockdown ever worked, 14:29.400 --> 14:35.160 no school closure, no mask mandate, nothing, no business closure, no shielding, every single 14:35.160 --> 14:39.280 COVID policy failed, and actually harmed and killed people. 14:39.280 --> 14:46.520 And then we were faced with this mRNA DNA platform gene injection, whether it be the 14:46.520 --> 14:50.960 hell you want to call it, that has caused more harm. 14:50.960 --> 14:55.880 And from my point of view, even when you look at the data Pfizer, Madonna submitted to the 14:55.880 --> 15:02.200 FDA, it was actually data that they should have never been given an EU based on a 0% absolute 15:02.200 --> 15:03.600 risk reduction. 15:03.600 --> 15:07.000 So no benefit, yet here we are. 15:07.000 --> 15:11.920 And here's what I want to do, because we did a nice tour, it was actually 2015 minutes, 15:11.920 --> 15:16.560 I put it out, but we're going to do something, I believe, this Sunday again. 15:16.560 --> 15:19.720 But I wanted to just be talk, talk, talk with you. 15:19.720 --> 15:24.680 I'm going to say each issue, I'm going to give you quick and a sentence, my view, and 15:24.680 --> 15:30.480 I want you of you, because my role now is there are a lot of people parading out there 15:30.480 --> 15:32.240 who are not doing what you're doing. 15:32.240 --> 15:37.440 I want to help showcase you, because you have a lot, a lot of common sense and a lot 15:37.440 --> 15:39.120 of scientific depth. 15:39.120 --> 15:45.720 The people need to listen, at least as we say, look behind the curtain or below the rock, 15:45.720 --> 15:51.160 so the phone we are thinking, and you've provoking people into very sophisticated thought now. 15:51.160 --> 15:58.960 So question, my view on the virus in the beginning, I knew, I felt from different people I've 15:58.960 --> 16:05.880 spoken to, some we wouldn't name here for now, but I have felt that this always was 16:05.880 --> 16:09.720 some sort of lab manufactured entity, number one. 16:09.720 --> 16:17.280 I did feel that it was disposed and it could not be a point source, dispersion, it had 16:17.280 --> 16:22.640 to be based on what we are seeing, a multiple sort of a release. 16:22.640 --> 16:30.880 I believe multiple labs always felt, and what I also believe is that this is function 16:30.880 --> 16:35.560 in G, I'm going to use the term, many people keep writing me and calling me and say, Paul, 16:35.560 --> 16:40.200 you know, in your session, you should step back from using that term, still use the term 16:40.200 --> 16:45.680 vaccine or geneogen, no, I'm going to say, I believe it is functioning as a bioweapon. 16:45.680 --> 16:52.520 So can you tell us your view as the lab, multiple, multiple release bioweapon? 16:52.520 --> 16:55.280 Tell us what you think. 16:55.280 --> 16:59.760 If I follow the tenant that got me this far, it is that we have to stick to the biology 16:59.760 --> 17:01.880 we can know for sure. 17:01.880 --> 17:08.440 And in that case, the reason why I believe it has to be a laboratory manufactured clone 17:08.440 --> 17:14.400 is because the molecular signal that we are told was found in all these disparate places 17:14.440 --> 17:21.080 in the world could not have been created by a number of infected people landing in these 17:21.080 --> 17:24.760 places as would be expected from a point release. 17:24.760 --> 17:32.020 The best case scenario couldn't produce this, but how it exactly occurred, like how it was 17:32.020 --> 17:40.680 done is going to be a lot harder to show because we can't prove the molecular, the presence 17:40.720 --> 17:47.200 of the molecular signature being the cause of the symptomology that's correlating with 17:47.200 --> 17:48.200 it. 17:48.200 --> 17:52.280 Now, what I'm saying is, again, that these tests aren't capable of doing that, even though 17:52.280 --> 17:56.640 the correlation is very high in Italy and in Washington and New York at the beginning 17:56.640 --> 18:03.600 with the same kind of severe symptoms, we should be very careful not to overextend and 18:03.600 --> 18:06.640 say that, well, it has to be this or it has to be that. 18:06.640 --> 18:14.000 The only thing we really need to say for sure is that a natural virus escaping from 18:14.000 --> 18:21.120 a building or infecting a lab worker or even infecting a hundred lab workers is not capable 18:21.120 --> 18:23.560 of generating a three year pandemic. 18:23.560 --> 18:29.760 The only way that we could get this uniform of a signal in this many people simultaneously 18:29.760 --> 18:33.560 is some application of a synthetic agent. 18:33.560 --> 18:34.560 That's all I can. 18:34.560 --> 18:37.240 That's about as far as I would go. 18:37.240 --> 18:38.240 Synthetic agent. 18:38.240 --> 18:39.240 Exactly. 18:39.240 --> 18:44.520 As in the sense of a purified viral clone, that's what I mean by a synthetic agent. 18:44.520 --> 18:45.520 Yes. 18:45.520 --> 18:47.280 So we're talking about something man made. 18:47.280 --> 18:54.360 Can you in two or three sentences tell the viewer, I understand what the clone is and 18:54.360 --> 19:00.480 what we're talking about here in terms of taking the mRNA to DNA, making multiple copies, 19:00.480 --> 19:08.920 et cetera, extracting the mRNA and can you, because I realize you have a certain expertise 19:08.920 --> 19:13.720 in this area also, tell the viewer what you mean by clone. 19:13.720 --> 19:27.080 In the wild RNA viruses exist as an assortment of closely related but non-identical genomes. 19:27.080 --> 19:35.400 In other words, the story that they've told you about variants is actually a gross oversimplification 19:35.400 --> 19:37.360 of what's happening. 19:37.360 --> 19:45.640 If there is a viral entity which is infecting you, it makes imperfect copies of itself and 19:45.640 --> 19:52.160 as a result, you have to make an approximation of what all that genetic material adds up 19:52.160 --> 19:56.360 to and that's what they call a viral sequence. 19:56.360 --> 20:01.400 In the wild, when they look for coronaviruses in bats or when they look for coronaviruses 20:01.400 --> 20:03.840 in pangolins, that's what they're looking for. 20:03.840 --> 20:09.600 They're looking for a genetic shadow which they can reassemble and once they reassemble 20:09.600 --> 20:15.040 it into this genome, in order for them to study it usefully in the laboratory, they need 20:15.040 --> 20:21.760 to use reverse genetics to convert it to DNA so that they can amplify it into enough copies 20:21.760 --> 20:27.440 so that they can use it in the laboratory as something that will cause plaque assays 20:27.440 --> 20:32.280 or cause an animal to get sick. 20:32.280 --> 20:38.000 The only way that they've been able to make coronaviruses and in fact many other RNA viruses 20:38.000 --> 20:44.920 tractable from a laboratory perspective is to use reverse genetics to convert the RNA 20:44.920 --> 20:51.200 sequence that they can find in the wild into a DNA molecule so that they can make enough 20:51.200 --> 20:52.200 of it. 20:52.200 --> 21:01.680 Correct, so in other words, in other words, when you look at it from that point of view, 21:01.680 --> 21:06.720 I would say then that I want to jump forward because there are a couple of questions I 21:06.720 --> 21:08.280 want us on record. 21:08.280 --> 21:16.400 PCR tests, my own analysis, I remember when I was in the Trump administration, Dr. Atlas 21:16.400 --> 21:21.760 and me, we had collaborated to produce, try to understand what would be cycle thresholds 21:21.760 --> 21:27.360 and the limits in terms of finding infectious, cultural, viable virus. 21:27.360 --> 21:32.840 From my point of view, my definition of that means virus that could infect you and cause 21:32.840 --> 21:38.920 pathology and we found when we looked at the literature that our own 24 to 25 cycles with 21:38.920 --> 21:41.960 the RTPCR test was the limit. 21:41.960 --> 21:48.800 Of that, you are now talking about non-infectious, non-lethal pathogen and that was what was 21:48.800 --> 21:53.800 omitted in the PCR test that we did not know the cycle threshold, we won't do that and 21:53.800 --> 22:00.320 more importantly, the reality about it is that we are not saying that when you get a 22:00.320 --> 22:06.040 positive test, when we use it to enforce positive, I don't necessarily mean that it is wrong, 22:06.040 --> 22:12.000 false positive that you are actually positive, et cetera, but you're not positive when they're 22:12.000 --> 22:13.840 saying you are positive. 22:13.840 --> 22:20.680 What we are saying is it is not that particular coronavirus now or it is not detecting positivity 22:20.680 --> 22:26.520 today, you were infected with the likely coronavirus in the past. 22:26.520 --> 22:31.120 What is your view on the PCR test? 22:31.120 --> 22:36.040 I've been trying to come up with a number of different analogies. 22:36.040 --> 22:44.240 There are multiple ways that the PCR test can result in a bad answer and the question 22:44.240 --> 22:52.040 is did they manipulate the use of it or the application of it to increase the false positives, 22:52.040 --> 23:01.040 which are the ones that would help any pandemic go from controllable to a hypothetical emergency. 23:02.040 --> 23:05.440 From my perspective, there's two ways they can do it. 23:05.440 --> 23:09.640 The first one is the obvious one that everybody understands, which is that they could cycle 23:09.640 --> 23:16.560 it long enough so that the very process itself becomes erroneous, it generates the fluorescence 23:16.560 --> 23:22.080 in some other erroneous way and reading the diagnostic, you get a fluorescence signal so 23:22.080 --> 23:26.840 you say it's positive, but if you were to ever look at that sample, you would find that 23:26.840 --> 23:31.360 the amplicons that were amplified would be the incorrect ones, but they don't have 23:31.360 --> 23:38.120 that built into this system so once the test is glowing, they just say it's a positive 23:38.120 --> 23:44.640 and that's the problem with cycling to 55 cycles or even 45 cycles is way too far. 23:44.640 --> 23:52.920 On the background of that is this implication that PCR is so good and the background is 23:52.920 --> 24:00.640 composed of nothing that could also be amplified and that's an illusion because most coronaviruses 24:00.640 --> 24:07.520 at the end protein and the RNA dependent RNA polymerase have a homologous protein there. 24:07.520 --> 24:12.160 So if you're looking for three amplicons, the spike, the RNA dependent polymerase and 24:12.160 --> 24:18.720 the end protein, most if not all coronaviruses that we would ever study in nature will have 24:18.720 --> 24:24.680 two of those proteins homologous and the high likelihood of testing positive at those 24:24.680 --> 24:30.400 two amplicons just like SARS-CoV-2 is purported to do so. 24:30.400 --> 24:35.680 So on that background it really depends on whether you require the spike or whether you 24:35.680 --> 24:41.080 accept two out of the three as being a positive which is a lot of these products did and in 24:41.080 --> 24:47.320 that case any coronavirus in the background could contribute to the overall appearance 24:47.320 --> 24:52.400 of the spread of this novel pathogen when in reality the test is unable to separate 24:52.400 --> 24:57.960 the novelty from the background except for on one protein, this spike. 24:57.960 --> 25:05.320 Yes, I like that explanation because people like more call on myself we had written and 25:05.320 --> 25:08.080 we had all due day one. 25:08.080 --> 25:14.520 Maybe two to three weeks out of the box early in 2020 that this idea of asymptomatic transmission. 25:14.520 --> 25:18.560 I want to use the word that it was a lie I would say it was a falsehood and we were 25:18.560 --> 25:27.360 looking at papers out of China made well also a good paper in JAMA that showed the term 25:27.360 --> 25:33.960 that the asymptomatic transmission was not a real viable issue and they were using that 25:33.960 --> 25:40.960 to scare the population into lockdown and just paranoia similar to the we were even looking 25:40.960 --> 25:47.840 at recurrent infections pre-omocron era and we were not finding bonafide recurrent infections 25:47.840 --> 25:53.920 now that is pre-omocron we understand that almost a different animal you know with enough 25:53.920 --> 25:59.080 changes on the antigen etc all of those mutations so it's like your immune system is seen something 25:59.080 --> 26:03.520 different but but again that's getting too much into all biochemistry right now we are 26:03.520 --> 26:09.920 still talking about what so so I don't want people to get our interview and our discussions 26:09.920 --> 26:14.960 that oh my god dr. Alexander these guys were working on early treatment these guys are the 26:14.960 --> 26:20.000 gurus of early treatment what are they trying to say when he says nothing worked well from 26:20.000 --> 26:31.240 my point of view if what we are trying to table up is that is that that that the pathology 26:31.240 --> 26:37.960 really was from the initial release the initial exposure particularly vulnerable people to 26:37.960 --> 26:48.160 the clone that that from there what was released behaved as it would as a as a as as a normal 26:48.160 --> 26:55.000 pathogen and stabilize and become milder in the environment and using your analogy a study and 26:55.000 --> 27:06.600 your explanation less purity or less concentration that really and truly this COVID gene injection 27:06.920 --> 27:13.320 from all of those people involved in its development they must have known that this could not have 27:13.320 --> 27:21.240 worked this my point is how I'm looking at it because because this was so benign to begin with 27:21.240 --> 27:26.200 and that and that makes sense when you look at the Pfizer Moderna data that they could only find 27:26.200 --> 27:34.200 an absolute benefit of less than one percent because how could you find a decrease when the 27:34.280 --> 27:40.840 baseline risk in your control group is almost zero you can't find less than zero you will have 27:40.840 --> 27:49.800 to actually sample the entire world that's the issue so so your view on that well I agree and I 27:49.800 --> 27:54.440 think that the I think that the main theater that they knew they were going to play from the very 27:54.440 --> 28:00.440 beginning was that the effectiveness of the drug or the effectiveness of the therapeutic would be 28:00.440 --> 28:05.320 based largely on the appearance of antibodies that's why they stressed it so early there was 28:05.320 --> 28:11.800 even a song on Saturday Night Live where they said i-m-n-u-n-i-t-y that's what I got bodies 28:11.800 --> 28:18.920 anti it was part of a song and they did it all over on late night television so that even when 28:18.920 --> 28:26.280 the numbers came out and people would object and say well the absolute risk was almost minuscule 28:26.280 --> 28:32.280 you're using relative risk reduction just to make it sound better this is lame they could say 28:32.280 --> 28:38.840 well look we've got this beautiful antibody signal I mean it's extraordinary and they sold that 28:38.840 --> 28:44.920 is sold it on that every time to the FDA and and to these these committees that approve their 28:45.480 --> 28:53.880 their EUA so to me again it just kind of all goes along with this idea that there was a waiting 28:54.520 --> 29:04.040 a waiting plan which which was going to do this shift into into focusing on mRNA based 29:04.600 --> 29:11.320 vaccination and they they went hard for a while and RSV and flu they've backed off a lot now and I 29:11.320 --> 29:16.600 think that's because they're kind of off-script if we would have allowed them to we would already be 29:17.400 --> 29:25.480 RSV flu and COVID RNA shots for everybody if we if if people weren't fighting back I'm pretty sure 29:26.120 --> 29:29.720 that we're pretty far off script at this point and that's what makes it so exciting 29:32.840 --> 29:33.960 oh did you lock up 29:36.680 --> 29:45.000 shoot what happened they interfered with us am I still streaming darn it 29:46.600 --> 29:51.400 what happened I think it fools oh there you go there you go you're back now 29:51.400 --> 29:57.160 yeah about the RSV you got to the RSV yeah so I think if we would not have pushed back last year 29:57.160 --> 30:04.760 there were already plans to have an RSV a flu and a pneumonia mRNA vaccine there's an mRNA 30:04.760 --> 30:11.640 vaccine in the works for shingles and I think right now they're they're stalling back a little bit 30:11.640 --> 30:17.560 their original plan was to bowl us over I mean and and and this this pivot was going to be 30:17.560 --> 30:23.080 something that they sold as wow isn't it great how we just stumbled into this new technology and 30:23.080 --> 30:29.240 it was right there ready and waiting for us so that we are really off-script for them I think 30:29.240 --> 30:34.920 right now and so we have to keep this momentum going exactly and that's why people like you I 30:34.920 --> 30:40.040 mean we've been we've been willing and I've realized you were doing serious lifting behind the scenes 30:40.040 --> 30:45.720 and the reality about it is when we look at the mRNA technology itself that was devastating 30:46.360 --> 30:53.960 and the lipid nanoparticle I separated to the mRNA technology that goes into the lipid nanoparticle 30:53.960 --> 31:00.280 both of them to me are when you look at the science are very toxic and together as this complex 31:00.280 --> 31:07.000 it is causing serious you look I just put a paper on substack that showed the term we are finding 31:07.000 --> 31:13.960 two papers one is that the messenger RNA is reversed transcribed they looked at some human 31:13.960 --> 31:21.480 liver cells it's reversed transcribed back into DNA in as quick as six hours that was stunning 31:21.480 --> 31:27.960 that's a serious serious issue if so what do you think of that um kevin mccernan has also shown 31:27.960 --> 31:33.160 though that these shots are at least the bivalent shot is contaminated with the cDNA 31:33.160 --> 31:39.480 plasmid that they use to generate the RNA so they have to make a cDNA clone of the spike protein 31:39.480 --> 31:45.160 in order to generate the mRNA that they put in the shot but they weren't able to separate the cDNA 31:45.160 --> 31:52.120 from the mRNA and so it's about 10 micrograms for every 60 micrograms of mRNA there's 10 micrograms 31:52.120 --> 31:57.720 of the cDNA which includes these are kind of big terms but they include the origin of replication 31:57.720 --> 32:03.640 in bacteria that was used to amplify the cDNA into many copies and they also include a cassette 32:03.640 --> 32:11.160 for um resistance to the antibiotic that the bacteria was used so it may be that that paper is 32:11.160 --> 32:16.680 mistaken that the RNA isn't getting reversed transcribed but this circular DNA is just inserting 32:16.680 --> 32:20.520 directly and they couldn't tell the difference because they didn't realize there was DNA in the 32:20.520 --> 32:25.560 shot when they made that paper so I would suggest that those authors probably have to go back and 32:25.640 --> 32:33.320 look yeah and just for the audience and who the viewers are plasmids are circular DNA 32:33.320 --> 32:39.960 is circular DNA yeah circular DNA yes that's correct correct so listen I want to end this show because 32:39.960 --> 32:46.120 I have another hard interview coming up yes but I wanted because I know me and you and your group 32:46.120 --> 32:51.320 and other people I'm going to get onto that call we are talking on Sunday we're going to pin 32:51.320 --> 32:57.720 long time so I want a lot of people to follow but I wanted to say this that um on the issue of 32:57.720 --> 33:03.640 early treatment I am trying to say based on what we are talking about here is that early treatment 33:04.760 --> 33:12.440 had its role and has its role and is actually critical um but let's see if we could just do a 33:12.440 --> 33:17.080 sentence or two sort of we could try to make those who are listening understand what you're 33:17.080 --> 33:26.280 saying in other words this is my view that the potency of early treatment has more to do with its 33:26.280 --> 33:33.080 role in severe more critical illness more let's say the initial release if you're going with the 33:33.080 --> 33:40.760 multiple release theory the initial release so the more severe pathological clone that caused 33:40.760 --> 33:46.520 more severe illness that is where the early treatment functioned and was ideal in other words 33:47.160 --> 33:51.960 if I'm understanding what we are trying to say on our discussion is that with the mild illness 33:52.680 --> 33:58.840 it is very difficult for these therapeutics to actually have a beneficial effect am I correct 34:01.640 --> 34:08.520 I think that that that to say that they can't have a beneficial effect would be extending it too 34:08.520 --> 34:15.880 far but to say that yes there is much more opportunity for them to have effect on a clone 34:15.880 --> 34:21.720 infection than what I imagine a natural infection would be can I clarify one thing with a picture 34:21.720 --> 34:29.880 here yes please so I'm gonna we are not we are not saying I am look I have right the papers I stand 34:29.880 --> 34:37.240 with people like makala zalenko reach etc I knew the potency of early treatment it does it works 34:37.240 --> 34:43.640 but the question is the question is to extent of how right people were and how wrong 34:45.080 --> 34:49.800 where does it actually in other words what we are saying and I want to see that photo that thing 34:49.800 --> 34:56.120 you're driving what we are saying is what we have done here is early treatment has really shown the 34:56.120 --> 35:05.400 world the importance of using off-label repurpose cheaper effective existing antivirals for respiratory 35:05.400 --> 35:11.720 type illnesses etc and has shown us that we have to move faster away from reliance on farmer 35:11.720 --> 35:17.800 so this is not a matter of right or wrong this is a matter of how we could make this early treatment 35:17.800 --> 35:24.280 the most optimal modality and how we could from the work that you are doing too from what we are 35:24.280 --> 35:31.720 discussing now make sure that it is used the best way it can so can you yes and so I think that 35:31.720 --> 35:36.600 that's a great segue the way that I would describe it best and you might have inspired this in me 35:37.240 --> 35:43.160 is that all of the doctors who have had a cognitive model of what has happened during the pandemic 35:43.160 --> 35:49.800 have had some form of model in their head about a spreading pathogen and how the presence of the 35:49.800 --> 35:56.760 pathogen can be or the the pathology caused by the pathogen can be mitigated with hydroxychloroquine 35:56.760 --> 36:04.120 or ivermectin etc yes what we need to do is now if we if we all agree that maybe we need a new model 36:05.000 --> 36:11.400 yes what happened we do then what we also need to do is step back and think okay so what did we 36:11.400 --> 36:20.440 really change in 2020 was it really only that some people were put on ventilators and had remdesivir 36:20.440 --> 36:26.840 and other people had hydroxychloroquine or was it some people were put on ventilators 36:27.560 --> 36:33.640 were given remdesivir were prevented from having antibiotics and prevented from having steroids 36:33.640 --> 36:39.960 while the people that were being treated by people like heroes like Dr. Peter McCullough were given 36:39.960 --> 36:46.280 hydroxychloroquine azithromycin and I can't say all of what they were given because it's a long list 36:46.280 --> 36:51.560 but we shouldn't discount the fact that we don't know for sure which of those lists 36:51.560 --> 37:00.120 was working for what reason because the source of this danger evolved yes it wasn't one constant 37:00.120 --> 37:06.040 novel pathogen but it evolved because the biology was different than what we were told on television 37:06.040 --> 37:13.000 so we all need to recalculate a little bit and yes and and I think early treatment is one of those 37:13.000 --> 37:18.760 things that worked but maybe not for the mechanistic reasons that we have in our head 37:18.760 --> 37:23.880 that's and I think yes beautiful and I think that's why in our discussion yesterday talks we've 37:23.880 --> 37:29.880 been having is that we want now people like the McCulloughs and the rich and these types to now 37:29.880 --> 37:35.720 because there are these gurus and leaders that transcend now elevate even further and let's help 37:35.720 --> 37:41.240 us and practice properly because we know good was done here where you mentioned two things ventilators 37:42.200 --> 37:47.480 let me make sure i'm on record those two things kill people you know that right yes absolutely 37:47.480 --> 37:53.800 there's still being used i mean remdesivir is still being used to push people to make them 37:53.800 --> 37:58.920 sicker and can often lead to them being at a ventilator because it decreases kidney function 37:58.920 --> 38:05.240 which increases the amount of liquid in the lungs yes yes boy j you should have been with us on 38:05.240 --> 38:10.680 stage on those talks with me and McCullough and rich and all of us you should have been there listen 38:10.680 --> 38:16.280 shortest diagram you have um i just wanted to point out that um if i can switch to this one 38:16.920 --> 38:21.720 and that i'm going to switch to this one now you should be able to see it um it's important to 38:21.720 --> 38:27.480 remember that when the clone was released it had the only unique thing about it was the spike 38:27.480 --> 38:33.560 protein so there's two possibilities the first one is of course that it could be a clone and the 38:33.560 --> 38:37.800 concentration of the clone itself is what matters most and that's what i've been trying to sell to 38:37.960 --> 38:42.120 you in the background that it can take any virus and make it pure enough people would get sick 38:42.680 --> 38:48.600 but there is the added possibility because berry and all the coronavirus people have told us that 38:48.600 --> 38:55.400 if you have a co-infection with two different coronaviruses they can exchange genes so if the 38:55.400 --> 39:03.480 spike protein is a source of pathology by itself and they released a clone it would be expected 39:03.560 --> 39:08.760 that anybody that had other coronaviruses in their system could have a reassortment where 39:08.760 --> 39:17.080 this toxic spike protein could be floating around in the genome of other coronaviruses that got it 39:17.080 --> 39:22.280 taken into their genome during recombination events of the clone and it's important to note 39:23.000 --> 39:32.040 that the clone itself if i put this back up and then turn you on if the clone itself was released 39:32.040 --> 39:37.880 in sufficient quantities it would be expected to recombine with the with the coronaviruses in 39:37.880 --> 39:45.720 the background so that means that it's possible that the way that the clone sort of died away 39:46.600 --> 39:53.720 has a component of it which is the spike protein gene sort of filtering out into the background 39:53.720 --> 39:59.960 so that you would see not only an initial wave of extremely nasty high virus load 40:00.920 --> 40:06.200 high molecular signal wherever you released it but then going away from there there really 40:06.200 --> 40:12.840 would be a signal where people were kind of getting sick and it seemed to be contagious 40:12.840 --> 40:20.920 and it seemed to have some extra qualities that either produced like an allergic reaction in 40:20.920 --> 40:27.480 people and this kind of thing that again it made doctors were not seeing ghosts they were 40:27.480 --> 40:33.880 seeing something but we need to understand why it wasn't a uniform set of symptoms correlating 40:33.880 --> 40:41.160 with a uniform positivity it never had that aspect of a normal what someone would expect 40:41.160 --> 40:46.200 a cartoon pathogen and this i think is the best explanation for it but i just wanted to throw 40:46.200 --> 40:51.080 that extra variable in there because that's also part of the virology we shouldn't ignore 40:52.040 --> 40:57.160 so in simple terms from your schematic we're looking at what the purity or concentration 40:57.160 --> 41:03.880 then yeah that's the key it always is and just a question of then how do we model the decay away 41:03.880 --> 41:09.880 but the decay away will also always be a real exponential because again you're starting from 41:09.880 --> 41:16.120 purity that can't be sustained so so i i think the unique message out of this is that um 41:16.760 --> 41:22.520 what we need is we not again if you go to the early treatment papers i am a senior or a total 41:22.520 --> 41:29.560 second or two behind my collar zalenko is a senior scientist so i have been involved so i am standing 41:29.560 --> 41:34.680 by the early treatment the point though is you are saying that um we need to figure out what 41:35.560 --> 41:42.360 how did this really work which is a patient set that is really work on etc and which components 41:42.360 --> 41:48.680 because antibiotics as an example and i mean you and me discuss this pneumonias are serious 41:48.680 --> 41:55.320 complication especially for severely uh covid patients antibiotics may have played because 41:55.320 --> 42:01.240 remember j we spoke about this yesterday i was talking to you about the antiviral properties 42:01.320 --> 42:06.600 and you reminded me about the anti-inflammatory properties of antibiotics so it didn't just 42:06.600 --> 42:15.640 function as an antibacterial antimicrobial it is both anti-inflammatory and etc so antiviral i mean 42:15.640 --> 42:22.520 antibiotics like doxycycline as a term icing etc so we we need to have an honest discussion and everybody 42:23.400 --> 42:32.200 what dang it this free zoom meeting has ended you shite head why did he use a free zoom meeting 42:32.200 --> 42:38.920 so i want to i want to um i want to i'm gonna i'm gonna why is this not signed in 42:42.440 --> 42:48.360 i'm just he can just use my meeting 42:52.680 --> 43:01.880 i'm gonna do a new meeting and just see if uh see if he shows up 43:04.680 --> 43:11.000 oh he's calling in let's just call in um i'm gonna close zoom come on come on come on 43:15.560 --> 43:21.960 hello sir jim jesica saw because it was supposed to be for 15 minutes but listen 43:21.960 --> 43:26.440 i have to go to another meeting now i'm going to interview karen she's going to interview me 43:26.440 --> 43:33.400 karen king son i want to get you to talk with her but another day bugger son this interview the way 43:33.400 --> 43:41.640 i set it up i wanted to bring you slap dab into the middle of early treatment now the way i asked 43:41.640 --> 43:47.160 you those questions and you responded you are now going to be a central player how we gonna talk 43:48.120 --> 43:51.640 and that was the purpose of this 43:51.640 --> 43:56.280 i'm very i'm very excited so let me just say that we have to talk about long covid and we have to 43:56.280 --> 44:03.240 talk about people who know about extended hospital stays or extended ventilation stays 44:03.240 --> 44:09.480 that have led to chronic fatigue syndrome before the pandemic so that we can really talk about 44:10.200 --> 44:15.080 what to what extent long covid has to do with the virus versus hospitalization and other things 44:15.880 --> 44:21.800 absolutely so everything you want to talk about going for but this interview actually is going 44:21.800 --> 44:27.400 to now set the stage and i love it so we got cut off but i made sure you said what you needed to 44:27.400 --> 44:33.800 say and i knew what i needed you to say because i want to table you and get you palatable to all 44:33.800 --> 44:38.200 the early treatment and you said you write rules about my car on these people they're not going 44:38.200 --> 44:44.680 to be a person and and and we had praise beautiful so i'm gonna talk to you later because i'm going 44:44.680 --> 44:50.760 to not integrate i'm gonna send you i'm gonna send you my uh my zoom link to rumble and whatever 44:50.760 --> 44:55.560 and you put this out massively very good see you soon take what because 44:58.200 --> 45:03.080 we're not messing around ladies and gentlemen nay we ain't playing anymore we ain't playing 45:03.160 --> 45:08.440 anymore fools that's for sure thank you very much for joining me i'm gonna take um 45:09.400 --> 45:13.080 i'm gonna take a break here uh figure out what i'm gonna do with my afternoon 45:13.720 --> 45:19.560 i might take um the afternoon off i was gonna do a throwback thursday so maybe we'll watch the 45:19.560 --> 45:24.840 second half of that i don't know but i gotta i gotta read a line it looks like mosquito says i 45:24.840 --> 45:29.560 gotta read a lot more about hydroxychloroquine that's fine i'm totally done with the fact that 45:29.640 --> 45:34.440 hydroxychloroquine could be useful i just want to make sure that we evaluate everything 45:34.440 --> 45:39.480 with eyes wide open um and give everybody an opportunity to be a part of this so 45:40.360 --> 45:46.440 um just keep sharing it man i i can't tell you how excited i am so thank you very much 45:59.560 --> 46:11.800 i'm gonna use twitter for star trek star trek is coming i swear i'm gonna do it in like no time 46:11.800 --> 46:15.960 um i'm just super nervous now that it's finally gonna happen star trek is ready 46:16.600 --> 46:22.680 this was ready this is what we needed um it's definitely happening garden variety human it's 46:22.680 --> 46:27.640 definitely it's definitely happening i know i'm back on twitter i just haven't tweeted yet 46:27.640 --> 46:43.560 thanks a lot for being here guys 46:57.640 --> 47:00.520 you