WEBVTT 00:19.568 --> 00:34.780 Ladies and gentlemen, testing one two, RNA cannot pandemic, intramuscular injections are not a form of medicine, transfection is a crime, and the pandemic, sorry, the population pyramids are real. 00:37.267 --> 00:37.967 Hello, everybody. 00:38.007 --> 00:38.848 Welcome to the show. 00:38.928 --> 00:39.528 Good to see you. 00:39.588 --> 00:42.089 SolarFire number one in the Twitch chat. 00:43.189 --> 00:57.615 Please don't forget to go to JC in the Woods to see if you can subscribe to that channel and make sure that we're a little more resilient on that incredibly lame platform called YouTube. 00:59.060 --> 01:26.081 They have put some restrictions on the JC on a bike channel and I consider that thing almost a a national historic document that I don't really want to Further risk losing so I'm gonna start streaming on a couple other channels And of course, I'm always on stream dot giga ohm dot bio You're always welcome to watch there and definitely welcome to a download there the main memory and the main message of this stream is of course 01:27.902 --> 01:45.115 that the background signal was never differentiated from and in fact there was no requirement for anyone to demonstrate anything worked in the real world just in a lab bench just when compared to a distilled water control 01:45.795 --> 01:54.200 or maybe a rigged control that had no chance of overlapping with the primers that were supposedly specific for something else. 01:55.021 --> 02:01.365 And this illusion is now permanently sustained by the FDA not questioning it. 02:01.405 --> 02:09.530 The FDA should have regulated every one of these PCR tests individually as a new occurrence of a unique medical device. 02:10.250 --> 02:13.412 And they didn't because of the emergency of the pandemic. 02:15.231 --> 02:33.265 And one way or another, it's very difficult for me at this point not to see the primary outcome of the pandemic to be the establishment of PCR as an accepted gold standard of diagnostic for a wide variety and actually for anything. 02:34.106 --> 02:36.648 We are now using it to do measles as 02:38.419 --> 02:44.880 As ironically as it sounds, we were using PCR to do measles already back when Andrew Wakefield was doing measles. 02:46.381 --> 03:01.964 And it's only now as we pull back and start to see it from different time horizons that you can really see that this is one malevolent hamster wheel and different parts of this story have been repeatedly given to us in little bits over time. 03:02.444 --> 03:07.345 And then they come back in the form of somebody else's book or in the form of somebody else's shtick. 03:07.805 --> 03:26.209 And at the end, we are still where we were when Mary Holland went on Democracy Now in 2015 and kind of argued with Paul Offit that some portion of these multi-antigen, multi-adjuvant tests, sorry, vaccines damaged her son. 03:26.689 --> 03:30.469 And he went on to say that she was nuts for the last 15 years. 03:31.410 --> 03:32.810 This is a staged, 03:33.789 --> 03:38.893 nonsense argument that is being sustained by the same nonsense actors. 03:40.054 --> 03:46.819 And if America cannot wake up to this, our grandchildren will not have an America anymore. 03:47.800 --> 04:03.392 They are going to destroy our country from within by dividing the populace on these nonsense narratives that are based on using their tests to find their ghosts and then declaring ourselves on their social media ghostbusters. 04:05.942 --> 04:07.243 That's what's happening here. 04:07.303 --> 04:14.449 We are pretending that we are in the real world when the vast majority of whatever we're doing is on social media. 04:15.970 --> 04:31.603 And so effectively, we are not only using their tests to find their ghosts and calling ourselves a ghostbuster, making their ghosts real, but we're doing it on their stage, arguing with their words, arguing with their experts, debating their questions, 04:33.499 --> 04:36.600 And that's not happening anymore on GigaOM Biological. 04:36.660 --> 04:39.621 It's not happening anymore on Heucytonic Live. 04:39.761 --> 04:59.106 It's now clear that the entire foundational biology that this pandemic is based on is the same ridiculous biology that has been perpetuated by the Human Genomes Project's endless announcements of its extended accomplishments. 05:00.202 --> 05:03.564 that Francis Collins himself often jokes about. 05:05.085 --> 05:07.447 The truth is is that RNA can't do that. 05:08.387 --> 05:12.710 The truth is intramuscular injection is not a form of medicine. 05:14.271 --> 05:19.615 The truth is that transfecting healthy people was always a crime. 05:19.675 --> 05:28.861 They knew it wouldn't work, but they had to start somewhere because testing things on animals only finds out whether and how it works on animals. 05:30.182 --> 05:45.499 which is part of the reality of the Bad Biology 101, the assumption is that we all have this common ancestor, and so we all have this common set of molecular tools that we're all trapped by and we all use. 05:48.567 --> 05:58.432 And that allows us to argue that evolution is real and that we're all a consequence of like a bacteria that just kept dividing and kept adding complexity. 05:58.912 --> 06:08.377 And this is absolute nonsense and does not adequately describe the pattern integrity that bacteria represent, never mind the 06:11.806 --> 06:17.747 the whole of creation that they claim to understand because DNA and evolution. 06:17.927 --> 06:38.192 It's remarkable how little progress has been made actually in understanding better the irreducible complexity of life on earth, but instead, so much progress has been made in not understanding, purposefully not understanding it, and putting thousands of 06:38.892 --> 06:47.377 of smart thinking people answering questions that make no progress in understanding the irreducible complexity of life on earth. 06:49.638 --> 06:57.983 One thing I am confident of from everything I've read is that this RNA exists, you can capture it, you can sequence it, you can move it to other cells and recapitulate disease. 07:00.414 --> 07:06.615 In condition that we will not call autism, I don't like the word autism, he was vaccine damaged. 07:06.975 --> 07:08.396 He was neurologically damaged. 07:09.276 --> 07:15.477 In condition that we will not call autism, I don't like the word autism, he was vaccine damaged. 07:15.837 --> 07:17.258 He was neurologically damaged. 07:18.158 --> 07:28.560 In condition that we... It doesn't matter much at all what you believe about vaccines until we invent really important ones. 07:29.261 --> 07:35.808 Until we have a pandemic that's killing everyone, and it's measles plus. 07:35.928 --> 07:41.453 Okay, I can tolerate what you think about measles, because not that many people die from it. 07:41.754 --> 07:43.716 It's just a big hassle in the end. 07:45.723 --> 08:00.057 No, when we have this new pandemic that is, you know, got 75% mortality and it's not, it's, there'll be no pretense of being polite in the face of these beliefs. 08:00.117 --> 08:02.639 It'll be a moral emergency because it has to be. 08:02.659 --> 08:07.203 The company that originally produced it knows that. 08:07.243 --> 08:09.846 They've chosen a short sequence that they think is relevant. 08:10.310 --> 08:15.074 It is a short sequence that just comes from one of the open reading frame one proteins. 08:15.715 --> 08:29.927 We are being duped by a non-specific test and we would have gotten these numbers or numbers very similar to them with or without this pandemic because we've never looked for SARS viruses as they are spread through our population. 08:29.947 --> 08:30.928 We've just never looked. 08:31.789 --> 08:33.691 Nobody sampled for it until this year. 08:34.832 --> 08:36.413 That's a huge point to make. 08:37.366 --> 08:42.047 because the SARS virus originally appeared in 2003 and disappeared in 2004. 08:42.808 --> 08:45.688 But it didn't really disappear, it just became not a problem. 08:47.009 --> 08:55.331 Descendants of that virus, of various virulence and infectivity have circulated in the time since. 08:55.451 --> 08:56.491 They didn't disappear. 08:56.511 --> 09:05.694 Now keep in mind that I've made a lot of progress since July of 2020 in my understanding of what virology is and isn't. 09:06.485 --> 09:12.310 And I've come to understand virology as almost exclusively transfection experiments in cell culture. 09:13.150 --> 09:35.588 Transfection experiments that involve cloned sequences, sequences that are grown up in high pure quantity and then applied to a cell culture or applied to an animal model and said to replicate the natural infection that is blamed on these full sequences that cannot be, that repeat, cannot be found in the wild. 09:37.239 --> 09:48.490 except with metagenomic sequencing or some other, what could be best called as like a surrogate signal. 09:49.411 --> 09:53.516 If we find a football in the backyard, that means that you have an NFL team in your house. 09:54.574 --> 09:58.077 And so we're gonna go buy an NFL team and bring them over for dinner. 09:58.457 --> 10:04.041 And that is a simulation of what we think happens at dinnertime. 10:04.422 --> 10:10.626 Although it's really hard to make it happen if we just find a football in the backyard and we try to grow a football team. 10:11.187 --> 10:18.793 But when we find a football team in the backyard, we just, or sorry, a football in the backyard, we just assume that an NFL football team has been here. 10:19.895 --> 10:34.382 And so it's totally okay if you want to study how NFL football teams could wreck your house or how NFL football teams could really ruin a dinner, then the way you start is you buy yourself an NFL football team and you put it in somebody's house. 10:35.643 --> 10:40.966 Even though the only signal you have in nature is that every once in a while you find a football in somebody's backyard. 10:43.325 --> 10:48.254 And you put Peter Daszak on the 60 Minutes saying that, wow, you know, I find footballs everywhere. 10:48.734 --> 10:55.065 These football teams are just waiting to come out of any jungle or bat cave and kick your ass and ruin your family dinner. 10:58.032 --> 11:12.301 Maybe that's not a very good analogy, but it's pretty close to the kind of leaps of faith that are made with regard to the molecular biology of coronaviruses, the molecular biology of any virus in a mammal. 11:14.048 --> 11:26.278 where you just have to assume that there's no bacteria or no bacteriophage anywhere in there that might be providing the signal that you purport is this mammalian virus. 11:26.899 --> 11:34.885 And more importantly, the main signal, that genetic signal that they claim to have found is only ever a fragment. 11:35.005 --> 11:37.207 It's only ever a football in the backyard. 11:37.267 --> 11:39.029 It's never the whole football team. 11:40.845 --> 11:50.050 At best, at best, they find somebody at your barbecue that played college football, and then they say, see, there was an NFL football team here. 11:50.690 --> 11:56.193 Or at least we know for sure that there is the possibility that NFL football teams could come out of your backyard. 12:01.775 --> 12:04.577 And this test is not specific for any one of them. 12:05.416 --> 12:14.081 And no one has ever done a study about how many descendants there are, how many people are infected, how many animals have been infected by it, etc. 12:17.243 --> 12:29.871 So, the next thing that I want to say is our lack of biological knowledge and the general poor health of America, of the American people, is being used to create the crisis they need to divide and conquer us, to ruin 12:31.052 --> 12:36.435 You know, the thing is, the average football team, if it was just a high school football team, it's totally fine. 12:36.475 --> 12:42.618 If a high school football team comes over to your house and has pizza and watches a movie with your sons, it's totally okay. 12:42.638 --> 12:45.079 They'll be a mess, but they'll probably even help you clean it up. 12:45.479 --> 12:51.262 And they'll say, thanks, Mrs. Cooey, when they go off with their moms, you know, their moms come and pick them up and they drive away. 12:51.342 --> 12:53.203 But if it's an NFL football team, 12:54.042 --> 13:15.357 You know, a team that was put together carefully by a bunch of scouts that were picking the baddest of badasses for defensive ends, and almost criminally violent people in the secondary of the defense, and getting some guy who used steroids right up until his senior year of college to be the running back, then you could call that a gain-of-function football team. 13:15.377 --> 13:21.021 You wouldn't want an NFL football team in your house, because man, oh man, they are really dangerous. 13:21.122 --> 13:22.643 Man alive, holy cow. 13:23.323 --> 13:24.666 Maybe America, I don't know. 13:25.327 --> 13:26.829 Crash the dollar, I don't know. 13:27.370 --> 13:31.979 Steal the rest of our, what limited treasury value we have left, I don't know. 13:33.595 --> 13:36.136 but I know for sure that they are combining. 13:36.356 --> 13:41.217 And the thing is, only NFL football teams have a leather football. 13:41.257 --> 13:45.258 So if you find a plastic football in your backyard, those are really common. 13:45.298 --> 13:46.098 Those are everywhere. 13:46.498 --> 13:56.641 But if you find a leather football and one that's not too weathered, you better be scared because that's a sign that there might be a zoonosis about to happen and a football team is about to hammer you. 13:58.481 --> 14:02.542 Our lack of biological knowledge and our general society's lack of 14:03.032 --> 14:14.368 good health and access to health care to create a crisis to usher in all kinds of changes that would otherwise never be necessary and more importantly never be possible. 14:16.670 --> 14:19.171 All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm excited to be here. 14:19.411 --> 14:20.611 It's a good day. 14:20.871 --> 14:22.231 It's gonna be a very good day. 14:22.291 --> 14:23.772 Mark already put out a nice show. 14:24.872 --> 14:29.353 Mark's work has just, our gears are meshing right now. 14:29.813 --> 14:39.515 And, you know, just anything, anywhere you look, you're looking in the right place now because you're asking the right questions. 14:40.536 --> 14:41.236 And it feels, 14:42.608 --> 14:44.429 It feels really special to be where we are. 14:44.890 --> 14:45.870 I'm not getting choked up. 14:46.270 --> 14:48.692 I'm trying not to burp from my coffee, I apologize. 14:50.153 --> 14:52.375 It's really fantastic where we are. 14:52.395 --> 14:56.617 I wake up in the morning, I'm excited and I'm optimistic and I think it's not for nothing. 14:57.638 --> 14:58.759 And I'm very thankful. 15:00.240 --> 15:02.761 I feel very grateful to be in the place that I am. 15:02.842 --> 15:08.405 I'm really thankful for a lot of people that have made this possible. 15:09.066 --> 15:10.407 There's some really special, 15:11.147 --> 15:20.273 people that have taken a huge risk on me and believing in me, even when, yeah, I don't know, maybe I was less than optimistic. 15:21.214 --> 15:23.476 And I probably will be less than optimistic again. 15:24.476 --> 15:30.841 But it's this unwavering level of support that makes this little ship float. 15:31.021 --> 15:33.943 And I'm just really glad to be here. 15:34.183 --> 15:36.545 I'm really proud to be here after so many years. 15:36.645 --> 15:37.686 So see you in a few minutes. 16:02.894 --> 16:04.115 I don't care how you get there. 16:04.135 --> 16:06.835 I don't care what you do to get there. 16:08.736 --> 16:09.396 The goal is to win. 16:14.188 --> 16:15.094 What time is it? 16:15.175 --> 16:15.900 Game time! 16:23.880 --> 16:25.662 I guess I'm going to be here already right now. 16:25.702 --> 16:27.324 I wasn't going to disappear anywhere. 16:27.424 --> 16:32.429 But this is GigaOM Biological High Resistance Low Noise Information Brief brought to you by a biologist. 16:33.750 --> 16:36.533 It is an extraordinary place that we find ourselves. 16:38.255 --> 16:46.523 I don't know what to say other than I do think it's a very, very smart strategy to stay focused on learning biology as much as you can. 16:47.924 --> 16:53.828 And stay focused on learning things, reading things. 16:54.248 --> 16:59.531 Spending your time on thoughts that you choose and don't take their bait on social media. 16:59.591 --> 17:06.794 You can waste a lot of time and develop a lot of stress just by reading fake messages on social media. 17:06.995 --> 17:09.176 And that's a big risk that you take now. 17:09.816 --> 17:16.860 and using social media and your grind requires you to have neighbors that you trust, neighbors that you love. 17:16.900 --> 17:17.640 You need friends. 17:17.680 --> 17:23.863 You need to court and cultivate real relationships. 17:25.044 --> 17:36.190 And the relationship you have with me, I guess, is kind of a real relationship, but I really mean people that you can sit down with on your back porch and hug when they come over and hug when they leave. 17:37.650 --> 17:39.370 I'm missing a lot of that myself. 17:40.911 --> 17:46.412 And I'm working very hard to find a way to get off of social media while still using it against them. 17:47.052 --> 17:50.012 But right now I don't know if I'm accomplishing that. 17:50.192 --> 17:56.133 CHD has blocked me now, finally, on X. As have a few other people that have taken a long time to do it. 17:56.653 --> 18:05.055 And so now it just kind of seems more and more like, you know, you can be in the shouting part of the audience, but it doesn't really, really matter anymore. 18:06.674 --> 18:08.196 Because it's a fake place. 18:08.316 --> 18:10.097 Social media is a fake place. 18:11.218 --> 18:24.831 Ladies and gentlemen, autism spectrum disorder is a myth used to make sure that intramuscular injection is never questioned as a methodology, that virology is never questioned as a science, and that public health is never questioned as a reason. 18:25.552 --> 18:27.594 Same goes for pandemics and gain-of-function. 18:27.634 --> 18:30.796 They're just turning up the heat with regard to protecting these myths. 18:31.837 --> 18:37.699 solidifying these myths and making sure that under duress we would pass these myths on to our children. 18:38.480 --> 18:47.863 So if you don't understand the trap, and that is that you are supposed to tell your children this, and then you will not understand why the cheese yet remains free. 18:48.363 --> 18:49.624 The way out is biology. 18:49.684 --> 18:57.407 We need to teach our kids this biology so that frauds like Kevin McKernan and Kevin McCairn are never ever 18:58.847 --> 19:03.891 allowed to sort of pass this stuff on using social media. 19:03.911 --> 19:04.692 They're going to be there. 19:05.372 --> 19:07.133 Social media is going to have them there. 19:07.694 --> 19:09.175 And we've got to stop that. 19:09.215 --> 19:11.637 We've got to make sure to stop that. 19:11.777 --> 19:14.198 And that's what GigaOM Biological is going to try to do. 19:15.159 --> 19:17.661 I guess I got to hit this. 19:18.922 --> 19:20.583 I think that's the best way to do it. 19:22.164 --> 19:23.025 I didn't think about that. 19:24.235 --> 19:29.280 Michiel, up in heaven, probably still really happy that I'm using his mix. 19:30.241 --> 19:35.566 Michiel is a friend of mine from Amsterdam, passed away at age 38. 19:36.807 --> 19:42.353 Nothing to do with COVID, but this is his mix that I often use in his honor. 19:42.533 --> 19:43.073 Great friend. 19:44.995 --> 19:46.597 Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Jonathan Cooey. 19:46.617 --> 19:48.760 I'm Chief Biologist at Gig Owen Biological. 19:49.901 --> 19:53.005 I'm coming to you live out of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the back of my garage. 19:53.686 --> 20:01.456 You can find my ideas sometimes obfuscated and half-represented here on a substack called Woodhouse 76. 20:03.399 --> 20:18.837 Woodhouse 76 is written by a trader in Chicago by the name of Jessica Hockett who meddled with myself and my family for a few months in 2023 and 24 along with some members of Panda including Nick Hudson and 20:19.790 --> 20:31.101 and Jonathan Engler, and they use my arguments poorly to have fake arguments with Claire Craig and Pierre Corey and Mike Eden and even Jay Bhattacharya, my former barbecue buddy. 20:31.121 --> 20:36.125 Yeah, it's remarkable where we are, but it's not to be. 20:37.446 --> 20:38.587 I don't think it's a bad thing. 20:38.627 --> 20:40.888 I think it's just where we are. 20:40.928 --> 20:43.349 I used to be a staff scientist for Children's Health Defense. 20:43.389 --> 20:46.990 I got that job because I helped Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 20:47.010 --> 20:48.331 write the Wuhan cover-up book. 20:49.271 --> 20:52.693 I taught myself a lot of virology and biology during that time. 20:53.873 --> 21:02.037 And as a result, I've come to the conclusion that virology is a hoax, but not the hoax that the no-virus people have been telling us. 21:02.097 --> 21:07.900 The no-virus people are actually on the same team as Robert F. Kennedy Jr.' 21:07.880 --> 21:11.922 's advisors like Robert Malone and Meryl Nass and Mary Holland. 21:12.462 --> 21:18.685 You don't need to separate Tom Cowan and Andy Kaufman and the Baileys from 21:19.305 --> 21:22.087 CHD, you just have to see them as part of the same show. 21:22.507 --> 21:26.550 It's all one Lollapalooza of liars, they're just all on different platforms. 21:26.570 --> 21:47.385 That's the reason why YouTube says that I don't have a sufficient channel history, but Sam Bailey is welcome to put as much content on YouTube as she wants to, because she is part of this bullshit narrative that is really essentially at the heart of the controlled demolition of America. 21:49.110 --> 21:53.572 And that's why I come to you as a multiracial American. 21:53.672 --> 21:57.054 And I oftentimes remind everybody that this is an American stream. 21:57.594 --> 22:01.296 If you are here for a while, you are at the top of the wave. 22:01.336 --> 22:05.959 And if not, you might be down there at the bottom with skilled TV watchers, skilled social media users. 22:06.619 --> 22:11.323 But definitely the message of GigaOM Biological is to stay focused on the biology we can know. 22:11.843 --> 22:14.365 Not take their bait on social media because it's awful. 22:14.925 --> 22:15.906 And to love your neighbor. 22:15.926 --> 22:17.367 I mean, actually, know who they are. 22:18.368 --> 22:21.591 And talk to them, even if they don't like Trump. 22:21.651 --> 22:26.795 Because actually, you're under a spell not that dissimilar to what people who don't like Trump. 22:27.155 --> 22:30.377 That's the same kind of spell, just a different side of it. 22:30.898 --> 22:32.099 It's just that magical. 22:32.739 --> 22:35.622 because it was put on you for that long. 22:36.182 --> 22:41.167 It's been years now that this enchantment has been cast and remains sustained. 22:41.247 --> 22:49.994 It's being cast all the time, even by some of us who don't know that by reading the script of a lab leak, we were enchanting people. 22:51.015 --> 22:54.699 The way that Gigo and Biological works is that this is really fueled by about 110 people. 22:56.380 --> 23:07.930 about 105 subscribers and three or four people that not only subscribe but also give larger monthly donations that I just I don't know what to say other than thank you very much. 23:09.111 --> 23:16.237 If you want to be a part of that team go to gigahomebiological.com you can find a support Giga Home button right there in the middle. 23:16.797 --> 23:19.319 Also there's a whole row of links at the top 23:20.020 --> 23:24.429 that include a link called Stuff, where you can find a lot of the things that I talk about. 23:24.449 --> 23:27.334 They're always there just in a chronological order. 23:27.375 --> 23:28.457 There's a schedule that... 23:29.457 --> 23:30.598 Not really following yet. 23:31.018 --> 23:34.622 There's ways to find us, and then there's of course ways to support us there. 23:35.302 --> 23:39.826 And every single one of you that is helping with that, I just can't thank you enough. 23:39.886 --> 23:46.052 This is really an amazing privilege to be a part of the independent bright web that we are establishing. 23:46.092 --> 23:47.754 I guess I'm the only channel so far. 23:48.474 --> 23:55.200 Mark has not officially adopted the moniker yet, because I guess he's actually my handler, so he's never gonna do that. 23:55.260 --> 23:55.741 But anyway. 23:57.122 --> 24:01.587 All joking aside, I'm gonna fade this out, try and get myself on screen here. 24:01.607 --> 24:04.310 I guess I already have that set up, so I could just go... 24:07.085 --> 24:28.970 So I have accused over the past week or so, and over the past years, a number of people of being basically scripted bullshit and reading scripted bullshit, even if it's just a small bit, some pieces of talking points and a few third rail words that you're not supposed to use or third rail people you're not supposed to mention. 24:29.750 --> 24:36.092 Brett Weinstein is my favorite example because he exhibits a lot of this sort of, 24:36.912 --> 24:50.699 overconfidence and certainty in himself and in his conclusions that leads me to believe that he has for a while been working on a script that he believes is part of the real plan the real narrative or 24:51.960 --> 24:55.683 a national security narrative that he has been entrusted to enforce. 24:56.124 --> 25:08.234 And either way, you would exhibit this sort of confident, you know, prison guard-like mentality that I know what's best for you and I know what's going on because I have all the keys. 25:08.795 --> 25:16.802 And so, without a doubt, both of these people are, to a certain extent, read in on the idea that they're important to America. 25:17.222 --> 25:19.364 They're important to Donald Trump. 25:19.404 --> 25:20.985 They're important to Elon Musk. 25:21.045 --> 25:23.026 They're important to somebody at Rumble. 25:23.447 --> 25:27.310 They're a valued Rumble producer, a valued locals customer. 25:27.850 --> 25:29.471 Our sponsors really like us. 25:29.952 --> 25:37.157 You know, something like that, that as a whole equation just kind of adds up to them thinking that they're actually doing something good. 25:37.758 --> 25:41.440 I don't necessarily think they're entirely evil. 25:41.560 --> 25:42.081 However, 25:44.679 --> 25:55.410 I do think that Brett knows that he has gotten in the way of and stolen the ideas of many people in the course of this five years. 25:55.610 --> 26:04.358 And on purpose, sort of given that job, almost like they took him aside, you know, like Elon Musk and Joe Rogan. 26:05.359 --> 26:07.600 and Robert Malone and Peter Thiel. 26:08.041 --> 26:11.662 And they all sat him down on a boat somewhere and said, hey, you know what we need you to do? 26:12.323 --> 26:23.049 We need you to steal the ideas that we feed you to represent them as your own and keep this narrative on trail and on track because we've got a pretty big problem. 26:23.629 --> 26:29.072 And we got this anti-vax movement and we thought we had it under control with Bobby Kennedy, but actually we don't. 26:32.918 --> 26:34.360 That's that's where we were. 26:34.420 --> 26:44.890 That's the reason why Sam Harris was on Joe Rogan, you know, Joe Rogan on on Brett Weinstein's eighth podcast, eighth podcast. 26:44.910 --> 26:51.457 You see, they realized very quickly at the start of, let's say, 2019. 26:53.479 --> 26:56.860 that they were in a position not to run a pandemic. 26:56.880 --> 26:58.680 They didn't have everything ready to go yet. 26:58.860 --> 27:01.341 Everything was not going very smoothly. 27:01.401 --> 27:10.483 So they started putting a bunch of people in place in 2019 in a way that can only be seen as a military operation. 27:10.563 --> 27:22.145 The people, the way that they started podcasting, the way they knew they had to podcast, identified the podcast, the podcast, identified the podcast, 27:22.905 --> 27:31.092 as the medium by which the narrative would need to be controlled once the narrative was in need of controlling. 27:34.135 --> 27:38.038 It's not by accident, okay, that that happened. 27:38.158 --> 27:44.884 Now, on the other hand, you're going to have to believe that my track record on YouTube is by accident. 27:45.605 --> 27:47.126 And I'm asking you to believe that. 27:47.206 --> 27:48.107 That is the truth. 27:48.939 --> 28:08.006 But the difference would be that my appearance on YouTube and conversion to the LabLeak discussion and the LabLeak mystery solving exercise had a lot to do with the reaction to my speculation about it by my own university. 28:11.314 --> 28:19.461 In no way, shape or form can Brett Weinstein claim that he was doing something else on YouTube when the pandemic started. 28:20.622 --> 28:23.284 He just started, it was his eighth podcast. 28:24.425 --> 28:27.787 I already had 20 plus podcasts that all had one theme. 28:28.268 --> 28:33.512 I was riding my bike to work, doing journal club on my bike about neuroscience papers. 28:36.354 --> 28:37.795 And so I was, 28:39.065 --> 28:54.815 innocently enough trying to do something on social media that used my bike ride that I could maybe argue made my CV somewhat interesting from a tenure perspective, from a teaching perspective, from a teaching faculty perspective. 28:54.875 --> 29:03.760 I'd already given in to the idea that I wasn't gonna be some kind of R01 grant administering soon to be associate professor. 29:03.880 --> 29:08.123 I was looking for a way to transition into kind of like 29:08.743 --> 29:17.950 permanent research assistant professor where I could do, you know, microscope work and teach and supervise grad students while I taught a few courses for money. 29:18.410 --> 29:19.411 Like, extra money. 29:19.451 --> 29:25.735 That's the highest goals that I had at that point, and I thought YouTube would be a cool way to do it. 29:27.957 --> 29:29.137 Now, I enjoyed it. 29:29.558 --> 29:30.498 I liked it a lot. 29:31.039 --> 29:32.680 I edited all my own videos. 29:35.134 --> 29:38.996 What you see here and what you see on YouTube is a trap. 29:39.377 --> 29:43.419 It is no different than cable TV with 400 channels. 29:45.240 --> 29:56.667 It is an elaborate team of performers with costumes all on the same basic script, or at least a script provided by the same sources with the same underlying motivations. 29:56.807 --> 29:59.749 And it's not just a few of these guys, it's hundreds of them. 30:00.409 --> 30:02.851 They can make you believe anything. 30:03.737 --> 30:07.418 including that they need help stopping and starting the train. 30:07.518 --> 30:09.618 Please grab a pair of gloves and help us. 30:12.279 --> 30:17.620 That's the illusion that they are able to cast using social media in any context. 30:19.061 --> 30:20.561 They want you to vote Republican. 30:21.281 --> 30:24.282 They want you to oppose the World Health Organization. 30:24.702 --> 30:26.682 They want you to buy Jordan shoes. 30:28.143 --> 30:29.663 It's all the same show. 30:30.885 --> 30:40.209 And they can put YouTube channels out there that just happen to cover that shoes, those shoes, and cut them in half and say how amazing this new pair of Jordans is. 30:40.670 --> 30:47.893 And at the same time, there can be some random podcast about football that also says, hey, by the way, did you see those new Jordans? 30:47.913 --> 30:48.633 Those are crazy. 30:51.254 --> 30:56.657 And so by the time you've been on social media for a week, it seems like everybody's decided to buy the new Jordans. 30:59.963 --> 31:04.966 Or it seems like everybody is worried about the people that are falling down in China. 31:05.387 --> 31:06.827 On the sidewalk, did you see that? 31:06.988 --> 31:07.988 One was in the mall. 31:14.713 --> 31:17.254 That's how they pulled the pandemic off. 31:17.534 --> 31:24.139 And one of the reasons why they pulled this off was because the FDA needs getting rid of. 31:25.100 --> 31:44.128 And so one of the main goals of the pandemic was to fully discredit the FDA as an institution, fully discredit its mandate to provide safe and effective products that the labels are correct, and the claims that are made on the labels are correct. 31:46.604 --> 31:57.769 They need to get rid of that organization because that organization and its mandate over medical devices essentially is one of the ways that the entire pandemic narrative could be erased. 31:59.076 --> 32:26.548 If the authority of the FDA was used to reinvestigate, to open all of the files about all of the PCR tests that were used in 2020, we could dispel the mythology that there was ever anything and realize that, holy shit, we gave 220 EUAs to PCR tests, many of which were produced in China, that could have never been specific for any one 32:27.543 --> 32:41.011 like genetic signal because they only had one amplicon in them and that amplicon was only 300 amino acids long and that could be from anything because there's an irreducibly complex background of bacterial signals. 32:44.502 --> 33:01.335 that many of which could have that small segment of genetic code in them somewhere, or one close enough related to it that the primers will pull up a fluorescent signal that you'll call positive because these are all proprietary tests with no controls. 33:03.477 --> 33:08.541 And at the time during the pandemic, when these guys were doing streams together for three years, 21, 22, 33:11.479 --> 33:19.727 They never questioned the PCR once, just in the same way that Kevin McCairn and Jessica Rose never questioned the PCR once. 33:21.348 --> 33:30.817 And the only people that did question the PCR talked about overcycling over and over and over again, as if overcycling was the only way that PCR could be used nefariously. 33:34.847 --> 33:40.133 And so we are here right now where two of the three of these clowns are directly at the top of the FDA. 33:40.513 --> 33:51.746 Maybe the FDA doesn't need to be destroyed if you just put people who will do what they're told at the top of the FDA and only regulate the things that they are told to regulate at the top of the FDA. 33:54.178 --> 34:21.915 Wouldn't it be really strange if the head of the FDA hired somebody to be the head of the Biologics Evaluation and Research Group, you know, the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, that guy, if he put that guy in charge of that stuff, and that guy actually thought that we would be better off without the FDA, wouldn't that be weird? 34:22.697 --> 34:23.978 I think that would be pretty weird. 34:26.799 --> 34:38.885 Look, I think there's a really good explanation for why these people are where they are, why these people were where they are in my life for the last five years, why some of them paid me, why some of them lied about me. 34:39.758 --> 34:56.845 why some of them stole my ideas, why some of them have ridiculed me even up until today on X. I don't know if it's visible to anybody else but me, but this guy in Jikki Leaks were actually making fun of me today, asking me where the canisters for the clones were sprayed are. 34:57.505 --> 34:58.305 I shit you not. 34:59.206 --> 35:07.049 And that is only because we have them dead on, balls accurate, exactly where they are. 35:08.103 --> 35:12.505 They are traders, or at least in my mind, they are traders. 35:12.545 --> 35:26.711 They are probably national security agents working for some part of the government or some part of NATO that has a international mandate to go around the world and make sure that everybody believes in viruses, gain-of-function viruses, and DNA contamination. 35:27.631 --> 35:32.533 And that nobody in the world ever uses transfection to describe what these products always were. 35:35.373 --> 35:38.914 But he's related to them makes it really weird, doesn't it? 35:39.414 --> 35:51.537 The idea that this is all one malevolent show that seems to be a really easy way to unite the extremists from all the different sides into one weird conservative movement that we could use to do it. 35:51.597 --> 35:52.757 It's like herding cats. 35:53.437 --> 35:55.798 It's just like herding cats. 36:03.462 --> 36:06.386 So most people know me as a US presidential candidate. 36:06.827 --> 36:08.990 You probably hadn't heard of me before that, most of you at least. 36:09.591 --> 36:15.359 But actually before that, my prior career, I had started an asset management firm called Strive to compete against BlackRock. 36:15.700 --> 36:17.702 But before that, I was a biotech entrepreneur. 36:18.639 --> 36:27.383 Okay, so what you're supposed to believe is that before he started a hedge fund that was supposed to compete with BlackRock, he was a biotech entrepreneur. 36:27.803 --> 36:30.225 And so basically, he just works harder than you. 36:31.065 --> 36:34.907 Money happens a lot more often and much bigger for him than for you. 36:35.507 --> 36:39.750 Despite all, you know, you just don't put the hours in that this billionaire does. 36:40.210 --> 36:40.911 That's the thing. 36:41.251 --> 36:43.212 He's just gonna say, you know, it's tough. 36:43.232 --> 36:47.034 You know, some people are just good at stuff and I'm just good at stuff. 36:47.495 --> 36:49.396 And I ran for president in America. 36:49.456 --> 36:52.678 And that, what that really is, is just making fun of you. 36:53.699 --> 37:00.143 Making fun of me, making fun of Mark, making fun of all Americans because this guy ran for president. 37:01.004 --> 37:02.244 He's much better than us. 37:02.304 --> 37:03.205 He's a billionaire. 37:03.245 --> 37:09.166 He's like 10,000 times more successful on average per day than any of us are. 37:09.246 --> 37:09.946 Think about that. 37:10.767 --> 37:15.668 On average, he's 10,000 times more successful per day than we are. 37:16.068 --> 37:22.550 And that's just because he's really smart, really hardworking, and he showed up more than you did. 37:23.570 --> 37:25.511 Kept his arms much straighter than you. 37:26.536 --> 37:28.217 Founded a biotech company called Royven. 37:28.697 --> 37:30.339 I led it as CEO for seven years. 37:30.439 --> 37:30.919 Founded it in 2014. 37:32.300 --> 37:34.281 Today, the company just had its 10 year anniversary. 37:34.341 --> 37:40.565 More recently, earlier this month, I've overseen the development of five medicines, five of which went on to become FDA approved. 37:40.986 --> 37:44.068 He's overseen the development of five medicines. 37:44.108 --> 37:55.215 You know, it's like the guy who says that I oversee the company that digs tunnels and the company that flies rockets and the company that floats satellites and the company that 37:57.036 --> 38:03.198 builds electric cars and really, really dumb stainless steel trucks. 38:03.778 --> 38:05.098 Like, come on! 38:05.238 --> 38:12.620 The only idea, I believe, is actually Elon Musk's is the electric stainless steel truck. 38:12.700 --> 38:15.861 That thing has Elon Musk written all over it. 38:16.141 --> 38:25.303 Many more which failed along the way, but I have interacted with the FDA, and I know something about the FDA, like most people in the pharmaceutical industry do, but they're not allowed to talk about it. 38:25.967 --> 38:32.813 Here's what one of the dirtiest little secrets is in the pharmaceutical industry is an old adage that goes FDA never forgets. 38:33.533 --> 38:39.218 If you criticize the FDA, you know you can expect adverse consequences in response. 38:39.519 --> 38:43.582 Does that mean they're not going to approve your drug when it comes up to the time of approval? 38:43.602 --> 38:45.484 Actually, it's far more insidious than that. 38:46.104 --> 38:47.266 Most people don't understand this. 38:47.306 --> 38:54.054 It's not like the FDA just makes a decision on the back end after you've done all of your trial work, deciding on the back end of whether or not it gets approved. 38:54.074 --> 38:57.198 Now remember, what we're saying is that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.' 38:57.158 --> 39:00.963 's father was involved in the formation of the FDA. 39:01.684 --> 39:14.294 and that the formation of the FDA even revolved around the original thalidomide scandal in Denmark, so much so that Brett Weinstein's father actually seems to have gone to Denmark at that time as part of this whole investigation. 39:14.834 --> 39:22.780 A guy by the name of Estes Kieffhofer was a senior senator at the time, also a major driver in the formation of the FDA. 39:22.900 --> 39:29.225 One might be able to argue, depending on how you read history, that Estes Kieffhofer wanted the FDA to be a much more 39:29.885 --> 39:43.977 strict and powerful organization that it ended up being, but nevertheless, Les Weinstein, the father of Brett and Eric Weinstein, Eric Weinstein being a financial advisor to Peter Thiel, these guys 39:45.939 --> 39:55.624 are now on the dark web, on the internet, telling us what to think, arguing about what to think, leading the way, rescuing the republic from the conservative side, I guess. 39:56.344 --> 40:05.329 And at the same time being made fun of by the other side, being pointed at as obvious goofballs by the other side, just like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 40:05.349 --> 40:13.854 is being pointed at as an obvious goofball recovering addict, not to be taken seriously, is very, very well done. 40:14.674 --> 40:22.320 on the other side now maybe if you think about may 29th 2024 this guy doing a podcast why do billionaires do podcasts 40:27.426 --> 40:30.487 If I was a billionaire, I assure you, I wouldn't be doing this anymore. 40:30.967 --> 40:35.108 I would find lots of other people to do this stuff and script them and tell them what to do. 40:36.148 --> 40:55.332 I wouldn't myself be a podcaster as a billionaire, unless I was paid to do it, told to do it, a government agent doing it as part of using social media, making social media relevant enough so that it becomes the new mainstream media. 40:56.431 --> 40:57.632 That's what you see here. 40:58.052 --> 41:05.236 Somebody trying to do his best for the ruling class, the overclass that wants this power shift to occur. 41:06.016 --> 41:14.401 And he's gonna get all the benefits of the programming of these platforms that he's on, because again, as long as you're with him, then you're with him. 41:15.620 --> 41:19.922 Otherwise, you can't explain why somebody like this would do a podcast in the first place. 41:19.982 --> 41:22.363 Does he really love being on camera so much? 41:22.803 --> 41:32.828 Does he really believe he has such a message that, you know, talking about the FDA and explaining how corrupt of an organization it is is so important that he can't pay somebody else to do it? 41:32.848 --> 41:33.969 He's got to do it himself? 41:34.429 --> 41:37.510 After failing to run for president, why would he do what? 41:38.551 --> 41:39.631 He ran for president. 41:39.671 --> 41:42.773 I mean, it's, when you think about it now, when you see it, 41:43.772 --> 41:49.426 As Mark Kulak has, where, where did all these Indians come from? 41:50.708 --> 41:51.188 proved or not. 41:51.208 --> 41:52.329 It's not a binary question. 41:53.069 --> 42:09.794 Turns out the entire process, all the way from the conception of your idea in a lab, your preclinical testing, all the way to testing in animals, all the way to the early human testing in healthy volunteers, to patients, all of that, every little microstep, is actually gatekept by the FDA. 42:10.395 --> 42:16.897 So if you do something the FDA doesn't like, they will actually blackball you at every step along the way in a manner that will never be visible to the public. 42:17.277 --> 42:19.958 It's not going to be some sort of politically palpable 42:21.101 --> 42:23.662 approval decision at the end to say they rejected your drug. 42:23.682 --> 42:24.583 That's not how it works. 42:25.043 --> 42:27.885 And this is a perfect example of how the deep state works more broadly. 42:28.345 --> 42:33.828 Works not through a bang, but through a whimper, through the boring motions of the administrative process. 42:33.908 --> 42:37.770 So now he's using the term deep state to talk about what? 42:38.690 --> 42:39.831 To talk about the U.S. 42:39.911 --> 42:41.332 government? 42:41.532 --> 42:44.994 See how this imprecision actually works against us? 42:45.902 --> 43:00.796 because if you realize how many people, 700,000 subscribers on YouTube, 500,000 people seeing his videos, that's a lot of people that are allowing him to put dumb thoughts in their head for 20 minutes. 43:03.370 --> 43:08.434 through the technocracy, they bore you into actually effectuating their own agenda. 43:08.734 --> 43:10.956 Now, what could criticizing the FDA include? 43:10.996 --> 43:11.797 Here's one example. 43:12.477 --> 43:22.445 President Trump actually saw through a law and saw it through into passage that expanded the right to try, the idea that you as a patient had a right to try a therapy, even if it wasn't approved. 43:22.866 --> 43:23.426 I believe in this. 43:23.826 --> 43:25.067 This is part of medical choice. 43:25.588 --> 43:28.190 We've talked a lot about medical choice in the last several years. 43:28.510 --> 43:30.932 Medical choice is an illusion. 43:30.992 --> 43:44.961 It's a mythology used to make sure that nobody ever usefully questions the public health as a reason or an answer, that nobody ever questions virology as a science, and that nobody ever questions intramuscular injection as a methodology. 43:45.041 --> 43:48.523 It's so easy to see, it's kind of brutal. 43:50.213 --> 43:53.094 in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic and the COVID vaccines. 43:53.134 --> 43:58.475 And in that context, medical choice means that I shouldn't have to take something just because the FDA has approved it. 43:59.175 --> 44:19.141 But the mirror image of medical choice, which I also believe in equally, is that just because the FDA hasn't approved something doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to take it if you want to make a decision for yourself about what the health consequences are or aren't to you, especially for life-saving therapies or potentially life-saving therapies that people are otherwise desperately denied if they haven't been through the FDA process. 44:19.281 --> 44:21.482 What if I tell you this, for example? 44:23.403 --> 44:32.108 I just want to throw this out there because it's an interesting debate to have, but maybe something you can have with your friends. 44:32.789 --> 44:41.974 Sit at the fire and realize that in some states in America, it's not required to wear a motorcycle helmet. 44:42.835 --> 44:46.117 And in other states, it's required to wear a motorcycle helmet. 44:47.424 --> 44:56.471 Imagine the idea that you're allowed to make that choice or you're not allowed to make that choice and what arguments you might make about the choice or not the choice. 44:56.651 --> 45:05.418 And then later on in the program, remind me about motorcycle helmets and I'll see if I can remember these arguments that I'm thinking in my head right now because they're useful. 45:05.898 --> 45:07.600 But first, digest that problem. 45:08.308 --> 45:15.275 While we're listening to this, think about the idea of mandating motorcycle helmets and why you would do it. 45:15.576 --> 45:25.326 Because I have a good reason why you should mandate motorcycle helmets that have nothing to do with protecting the rider and the rider's head. 45:25.706 --> 45:26.287 How about that? 45:27.369 --> 45:28.550 At least not directly. 45:28.650 --> 45:38.714 That's not the reason why you protect the motorcycle rider's head is not for the motorcycle rider himself or herself. 45:38.794 --> 45:39.915 Think about that for a minute. 45:40.535 --> 45:44.857 So President Trump, I think, correctly passed and signed into law a statute that expanded the right to try. 45:45.618 --> 45:46.618 But then there's something mysterious. 45:46.818 --> 45:49.419 Is this guy running for a governor of Ohio? 45:49.519 --> 45:52.841 Holy shit, that would be terrible to happen. 45:53.823 --> 46:00.586 None of the biotech companies, none of the pharmaceutical companies were actually making their therapies available for the right to try, even for patients who wanted to try them. 46:00.987 --> 46:01.247 Why? 46:01.267 --> 46:05.429 The dirty little secret is the FDA hates this law. 46:05.909 --> 46:14.373 They hate the existence of this law because it creates an alternative road, an alternative path that allows patients and innovators to sidestep the FDA. 46:14.914 --> 46:21.237 And they hate that, so effectively what they, through the back door, transmitted subliminally and indirectly 46:21.977 --> 46:38.168 and perhaps even directly to industry, was the idea that if you use this to make your therapy available, you will face the consequences, not only when you try to get approval for that very therapy through the main process, but even for any other therapy that comes in through the IND, the Investigational New Drug Application process in the first place. 46:38.688 --> 46:41.890 That is the retribution of the administrative state, such as the FDA. 46:42.151 --> 46:44.092 You see it in three-letter agencies across the board. 46:44.633 --> 46:57.870 And so now he's got a whole list of questions that you should be asking, a whole list of potential corruption you're supposed to be considering, a whole complex web of things that include IND, the independent new drug. 46:59.955 --> 47:02.678 It's all an elaborate mythology. 47:02.738 --> 47:04.699 It's all an elaborate enchantment. 47:04.780 --> 47:15.750 In this case, this is the stupid complicated version where he's going to try and bombard you with data and with names and with acronyms to make you feel like you can't understand. 47:15.810 --> 47:18.192 This is just an ugly administrative process. 47:18.232 --> 47:22.195 The FDA's freaking mandate is very, very simple. 47:22.816 --> 47:29.121 Primarily, they're supposed to make sure that what's on the label is in the bottle and that what's claimed on the label is actually true. 47:29.902 --> 47:33.144 That's not the perfect way to say it, but that's pretty close. 47:33.625 --> 47:50.659 And so if you don't want an organization whose primary mandate is that, and instead you're arguing about all these other issues about the approval process and how long it takes and whatever, the main thing you're getting approved is what are you putting on the label? 47:50.699 --> 47:52.260 What are you claiming it can do? 47:53.240 --> 47:54.661 What are you claiming it does? 47:57.982 --> 48:00.122 That's what the approval process is about. 48:00.263 --> 48:06.465 So think about that as we move forward with regard to this video and what they say. 48:06.665 --> 48:12.607 Countless other three-letter agencies that will come after you if you dare to sue them for questioning one of their regulations. 48:12.967 --> 48:18.089 But today we're gonna actually focus on the, what I call failed drug administration, the FDA. 48:18.959 --> 48:22.320 and ask a question that I think is obvious and ought to be asked. 48:22.340 --> 48:24.081 It's at least a question that deserves to be debated. 48:24.981 --> 48:26.942 Are we or are we not better off? 48:27.342 --> 48:32.843 Are Americans actually better off today because of the existence of the FDA? 48:33.364 --> 48:34.004 They could fill in the blank. 48:34.024 --> 48:37.625 You should be able to ask the same question of the CDC, of the NIH. 48:38.005 --> 48:40.486 You could ask it of countless other administrative agencies too. 48:41.306 --> 48:47.328 But for today's topic, we're gonna focus on the health-focused agencies, particularly with a special focus on the FDA. 48:47.929 --> 48:55.212 Are American patients better off or are they worse off because of the existence and the mandate of the FDA? 48:55.272 --> 48:59.693 Are prescription drug prices higher today because of the FDA? 48:59.833 --> 49:01.334 The answer to that question is absolutely yes. 49:01.694 --> 49:03.315 I mean, there's no doubt about that fact. 49:03.735 --> 49:05.336 The FDA is a gatekeeper to competition. 49:05.856 --> 49:15.122 The fact that they're a gatekeeper to competition is used, you could say exploited, but I'll just say used by the pharmaceutical industry to be able to forestall further competition to their own drug. 49:15.262 --> 49:17.444 This does not have to be untrue. 49:17.524 --> 49:23.808 This could be true as part of his 90% true stuff that he's saying here, but in the end, 49:24.688 --> 49:49.172 remember this is a charlatan and we're going to hear a lot of bullshit that mostly will be big ideas about why the FDA he's already told you that maybe the FDA is something we don't need in the law maybe it's worse for us and in certain categories where they know the payers are going to pay for it even when there is competition then they'll use the FDA in those categories say in the category of cancer drugs to be able to shepherd drugs through because there they're going to get the minimal price it's paid for anyway 49:49.552 --> 50:04.405 But in other areas, they actually use the FDA as a gatekeeper to make sure that they're insulated from competition from drugs that can be made by compounding pharmacies or even generics providers, that the FDA is able to serve as a regulatory technocratically stamped 50:05.248 --> 50:11.854 regulatorily accepted gatekeeper to preserving the absence of competition, which actually drives up prescription drug prices. 50:12.134 --> 50:14.956 So prices are higher, but what are we getting in return? 50:15.597 --> 50:18.159 They say the thing we get is that we have the gold standard in the world. 50:18.499 --> 50:25.245 The FDA approval, that seal of approval, means that we can actually trust what's behind that medicine, and that's worth those higher prices. 50:25.545 --> 50:26.806 That's worth those delays. 50:26.846 --> 50:27.527 That's how the argument goes. 50:28.948 --> 50:47.995 But it's fascinating then that the same agency that has said for years that you cannot have a safely developed drug or vaccine, unless it has been through 10 years of testing, on average, a billion dollars or more for the development of each of those drugs or vaccines, that you cannot even have the right to try that medication or that vaccine for yourself. 50:48.315 --> 50:56.378 It would be too dangerous if it hadn't gone through that process, that that same agency is the one that shepherded right through the process of X. 50:56.818 --> 50:58.419 How does the stream look on Twitch? 50:58.499 --> 51:00.939 It looked like the chat disconnected for a second. 51:00.979 --> 51:02.800 Am I still okay on timing? 51:02.860 --> 51:04.181 I think people are messing with us. 51:04.221 --> 51:05.021 We're gonna keep going. 51:05.361 --> 51:18.585 ...scene that was developed in a matter of nine months, which then the federal government not only made available and said that you have an opportunity to use, despite the fact that it only was developed in nine months, but that you have no choice but not to take after it was developed for just nine months. 51:18.605 --> 51:21.726 You can't believe... Can you believe what he's doing here? 51:21.806 --> 51:25.768 The list of dumb questions and the combination in which he's applying them? 51:26.608 --> 51:33.197 Now he's suggesting that the FDA approving the vaccines is what made them possible to be mandated. 51:33.658 --> 51:42.750 It has nothing to do with the murder in hospitals being misconstrued as an ongoing, perhaps worst case scenario that could result in a billion people dead. 51:45.317 --> 52:04.871 It is crazy to think that now, just like Kevin McKernan tried to blame the lack of PCR testing on the FDA in 2020 and made the EUA 10-page application just a lead weight on, we could have already solved this pandemic if the FDA weren't in the way. 52:04.891 --> 52:13.817 And six years later, this is five years later, I guess, you have a former candidate for president 52:14.830 --> 52:21.652 super clown, Vivek, telling you that you need to consider whether or not the FDA is even helping us anymore. 52:23.093 --> 52:29.975 How more dead on balls accurate could Mark and I be when we said that, wow, maybe this is a lot about the FDA. 52:30.035 --> 52:32.216 Maybe it has something to do with intellectual property. 52:32.636 --> 52:40.419 Maybe that explains why Robert Malone and Kevin McKernan and Steve Bannon and Aaron Seery are all involved in this. 52:40.639 --> 52:40.939 Hmm. 52:42.100 --> 52:45.025 and Brett Weinstein's frigging dad. 52:45.646 --> 52:46.427 Come on. 52:48.290 --> 52:49.853 Both of these things at the same time. 52:50.614 --> 52:56.324 And the reason I'm so fascinated by the FDA is not only because it's an industry that I've dealt with, it's an agency that I've dealt with firsthand. 52:57.625 --> 53:02.246 But even more deeply, it's an emblem of how the administrative state works. 53:02.706 --> 53:08.567 Wrapping around fundamentally political questions, normative questions, questions relating to values, actually. 53:08.627 --> 53:11.548 What are the trade-offs of making a therapy available or not? 53:11.648 --> 53:16.209 What is the proper role for an expert in adjudicating the way a doctor treats a patient? 53:16.809 --> 53:20.970 To wrap those fundamentally normative questions, questions of values, 53:21.826 --> 53:26.348 with a technocratic veneer to say that there is one scientific answer to that question. 53:26.988 --> 53:36.931 And there are a few things that bother me more than the bastardization of science by using it as a cloak to advance what is fundamentally a political or normative choice. 53:37.131 --> 53:43.114 Wow, I've never heard him so clearly as a massive bullshitter that I'm hearing right now. 53:44.514 --> 53:45.555 This is shocking. 53:46.876 --> 53:54.942 There are certain questions that are answered by science through the empirical process, through the scientific method, that are the kinds of questions that are answered empirically. 53:55.402 --> 54:01.987 But the question of whether or not drug prices should or should not be higher in favor of consumer choice, those are questions of trade-offs. 54:02.007 --> 54:09.093 Those are policy questions that are not answered by science, but are supposed to be in our country answered by the people. 54:09.893 --> 54:28.389 And the rise of this three-letter technocracy, the modern administrative state, including the alphabet soup from CDC to NIH to FDA, is the rise of a new class of quasi-monarch technocrats who... You see there's some subtle neuro-linguistic programming tricks and language tricks that he uses in there. 54:29.670 --> 54:33.653 Not that dissimilar to the speech pattern of somebody like Tucker Carlson. 54:35.074 --> 54:37.136 The NIH, the FDA, the CDC. 54:38.277 --> 54:56.173 it's very it's very disturbing how rehearsed this is and it's gross because now what you should see is a traitor what you should see is a purposeful fraud somebody who accepted a role a character to play with nefarious 54:57.912 --> 54:59.692 you know, traitorous goals. 54:59.712 --> 55:00.493 There's no way. 55:01.053 --> 55:04.394 There's no way to argue that this guy is a patriotic American. 55:04.414 --> 55:06.354 There's absolutely no way to argue that. 55:07.014 --> 55:09.415 This is a traitor. 55:10.335 --> 55:11.876 If he's an American, he's a traitor. 55:12.016 --> 55:19.277 And if he's a foreigner, then he is a saboteur and a conspirator and somebody who needs to be in jail. 55:19.898 --> 55:25.239 Reject the idea that we, the people, are supposed to create the policies that govern ourselves. 55:26.075 --> 55:30.059 And so for that discussion today, we're going to talk about other agencies in other episodes. 55:30.119 --> 55:37.145 But for today, with that focus on the FDA, and a little bit of the CDC, I've brought on somebody who I haven't actually met before directly. 55:37.805 --> 55:39.667 But I've been following him on social media for some time. 55:39.687 --> 55:41.749 He caught my attention during the presidential campaign. 55:42.229 --> 55:44.391 I liked a lot of what he had to say about the FDA. 55:44.431 --> 55:44.972 It was brave. 55:44.992 --> 55:45.692 He's a physician. 55:46.273 --> 55:50.957 He's a trained reader of the scientific literature and is unafraid to talk about it. 55:51.497 --> 55:52.298 Dr. Vinay Prasad. 55:55.216 --> 55:56.777 Binet, it's great to have you on the podcast. 55:57.138 --> 55:59.900 Welcome, and I'm excited to hear what you have to say today. 56:00.261 --> 56:11.691 The only thing I would say is, and I know I don't need to tell you this, but we're talking about a subject that most people are very careful to dance around, especially from the medical profession, especially from scientific backgrounds. 56:12.151 --> 56:15.194 And all I would say is, don't worry about couching what you have to say. 56:16.675 --> 56:17.836 Open up and tell us what you think. 56:17.856 --> 56:20.639 So good to have you on, and I'm excited to have this conversation. 56:21.544 --> 56:22.144 It's great to be here. 56:22.184 --> 56:22.945 Thanks for having me. 56:23.185 --> 56:27.726 And I just want to bolster one of the points you were making, which I think was a very good point about right to try. 56:28.327 --> 56:47.074 Now, one of the ways in which FDA actually, I think, prevented companies from being willing to participate in right to try was that they told companies that if you were to make your products available to people through the right to try pathway, and if something subsequently bad happened to those people, whether it was attributable to your product or not, we're going to hold those safety signals 56:47.614 --> 56:49.715 potentially against your application in the future. 56:50.195 --> 56:59.579 So they really gave them a huge disincentive to participate in Right to Try, which has effectively, as you point out, prevented the passage and the implementation of Right to Try. 56:59.959 --> 57:07.762 Now, I think people can debate whether or not you ought to have Right to Try, but as you point out, it was passed through a political process, and it's being subverted by the administrative states. 57:07.782 --> 57:08.542 I think that is accurate. 57:08.982 --> 57:11.384 I think it's worth people knowing who they're hearing from. 57:11.884 --> 57:14.265 I think that you're a trained physician. 57:14.485 --> 57:17.788 You have a detailed, I think, respectable background. 57:17.828 --> 57:20.449 But why don't you just share a bit of your background? 57:20.469 --> 57:21.550 You're not a political actor. 57:21.630 --> 57:26.053 And I think it's worth people understanding where you're coming from first before we dive into some thorny questions. 57:26.949 --> 57:31.270 Sure, so by way of background, I'm a professor here at the University of California, San Francisco. 57:31.290 --> 57:43.614 I'm actually a professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, and I run a research laboratory where we study drug policy, drug regulation, evidence-based medicine, clinical trials through a purely, I think, scientific lens. 57:43.914 --> 57:46.955 Okay, so he doesn't actually do science science. 57:48.356 --> 57:56.338 Maybe he practices some form of oncology, which might just mean poisoning people to see if you can make them better by killing their cancer before you kill them. 57:58.507 --> 58:06.314 But he works in a biostatistics department, which is not that dissimilar to like, you know, say Jessica Rose, who's a biostatistician. 58:07.575 --> 58:18.605 It's not that dissimilar to a lot of these people who are pretending that somehow or another, a combination of modeling and AI will get us past a lot of these problems. 58:20.146 --> 58:21.147 This is an actor. 58:23.848 --> 58:34.975 who's now at the head of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research at the FDA. 58:35.796 --> 58:37.117 I'm also a practicing doctor. 58:37.177 --> 58:38.938 I happen to be a hematologist oncologist. 58:38.998 --> 58:46.703 I work here at the County Hospital, which is our safety net hospital where we take care of pretty much anyone who walks through the door here in San Francisco, San Francisco General Hospital. 58:47.344 --> 58:51.827 And I've been in academic medicine since I finished my training about 10 years ago. 58:54.011 --> 59:02.554 Yeah, so what is it that made you as outspoken as you've been, especially in the wake of the COVID policy backlash that we saw? 59:02.614 --> 59:22.962 I'd love to understand what got a guy like you to be a much more public-facing figure that you- A public-facing figure taking no risks at all, in fact, put in place and encouraged to take those risks on YouTube with ZDogg because there was an opportunity to be placed at the FDA 59:23.662 --> 59:24.763 and help ruin it. 59:27.246 --> 59:34.432 That's what you see right here, right now, and I can tell you, you will be surprised at how right we were. 59:38.100 --> 59:45.706 Well, I mean, I think I sort of share your core philosophy that in America right now, it's important for people to just state and articulate your view. 59:45.766 --> 59:52.651 If you feel something and you believe in it and you have a point of view and you have some basis for your point of view, we don't want people to suppress those point of view. 59:52.891 --> 59:55.453 We don't want people to feel stigmatized for expressing that. 59:55.733 --> 01:00:00.037 We'll be better off if everyone just expresses their point of view and articulates it and tries to defend it. 01:00:00.297 --> 01:00:01.778 I think we'd have a more vibrant discussion. 01:00:02.118 --> 01:00:06.842 And the center point, I think, of public discourse will move from where the elites want us to be 01:00:07.182 --> 01:00:09.063 to where I think the body politic actually is. 01:00:09.103 --> 01:00:10.524 And I think that's important. 01:00:10.944 --> 01:00:12.866 Now, I just wanna tell your listeners a little bit. 01:00:12.886 --> 01:00:18.549 So the elites do exist, even in the mind of Vinay Prasad, and we are fighting them, which is really just. 01:00:18.969 --> 01:00:20.310 Stop lying. 01:00:20.651 --> 01:00:23.572 Gosh, this is just gross already, but we've gotta do it. 01:00:23.612 --> 01:00:24.953 This is work we have to do. 01:00:25.013 --> 01:00:35.160 This guy is at one of the highest posts and most important posts in the FDA with regard to the possibility of using whatever's left of the FDA and its mandate 01:00:35.700 --> 01:00:42.363 to finally roll back history on the absolute fraud that occurred in 2020, 21, and 22. 01:00:42.884 --> 01:00:48.827 These guys are at the FDA right now with the intent purpose of not doing that, I assure you. 01:00:50.302 --> 01:00:50.602 little bit. 01:00:50.942 --> 01:00:59.847 Some of the issues on COVID-19 policy that I was outspoken about to me are just such basic common sense, it would be ridiculous for a doctor not to be outspoken about it. 01:01:00.487 --> 01:01:12.333 One example I think is I was extremely critical of the CDC's policy decision to make two-year-olds wear cloth masks, which was done in the United States, but not done anywhere else in the world, not done in Europe, not done in Australia. 01:01:12.833 --> 01:01:21.146 To me, that struck me as a extremely reckless decision that's based on poor evidence and runs counter to common sense when you see a two-year-old wearing a cloth mask. 01:01:21.347 --> 01:01:24.372 This guy has his shtick down very well. 01:01:24.452 --> 01:01:26.755 He is very confident of where he's going. 01:01:27.816 --> 01:01:45.847 And if you can see it relative to his earlier performances with ZDogg when he wasn't very sure and had to look at the producers off camera all the time for assurances that he was doing okay, this guy is now very confident and his head is bouncing up and down and he's doing the same shtick that he always does. 01:01:46.287 --> 01:01:49.089 He is an absolute fraud. 01:01:50.390 --> 01:02:03.924 He is a traitor to America's children, and he's probably been a fraud for the last 10 or 15 years, actively understanding that he was being put in place for some future role in our governance. 01:02:04.985 --> 01:02:09.370 This is a monster, and he needs to be identified as such. 01:02:11.149 --> 01:02:16.556 That, to me, somehow created a lot of controversy to be opposed to something which I think is obviously silly. 01:02:17.317 --> 01:02:21.043 But, you know, I think you have to say it and you have to articulate the evidence. 01:02:21.123 --> 01:02:22.585 And so that's my point. 01:02:22.605 --> 01:02:23.386 What exactly did you say? 01:02:23.406 --> 01:02:24.448 And what was some of the backlash? 01:02:24.628 --> 01:02:27.192 Now that we have some distance from it, we can reflect on this a little bit. 01:02:28.598 --> 01:02:38.545 I mean, in 2021, in the Atlantic Magazine, which is by no means a right-leaning magazine, if anything, it's a liberal bastion, I wrote an article called, The Case Against Masking Young Children. 01:02:39.006 --> 01:02:57.960 And it was extremely critical of the American Academy of Pediatrics, which I think has been- In 2021, after we closed schools for a whole year, after the college kids were allowed to go back to school in the fall of 2020 under full testing and mocked down mandates, masking mandates, 01:03:01.363 --> 01:03:04.684 You see, they all spoke up like a year too late. 01:03:05.644 --> 01:03:13.507 After they had already presided as a faculty member over a whole year of on-campus bullshit charade. 01:03:15.387 --> 01:03:18.548 He finally spoke up about masking two-year-olds. 01:03:22.249 --> 01:03:24.850 And now this is supposed to be somebody who took a risk. 01:03:25.650 --> 01:03:30.772 Somebody we should respect for his principles and outspoken amongst people that wouldn't speak out. 01:03:31.934 --> 01:03:33.635 What a tremendous joke. 01:03:35.395 --> 01:03:44.718 Captured by some of this kind of groupthink and extremely critical of the policy decision to mask kids between the ages of two and five, which runs counter again to any nation globally. 01:03:45.578 --> 01:03:47.539 That article created such a backlash. 01:03:47.579 --> 01:03:54.721 I think there were hundreds, perhaps thousands of emails sent to the university that I should be fired, that I was sort of a misinformation peddler. 01:03:55.541 --> 01:04:13.950 For merely being in line with the policies of the European CDC and other nations, I think we forget how hot it was back in the COVID policy debates, how much people lost their sanity and lost their cool and made, I think, a number of bad decisions from school closure to the mandates to masking young kids, et cetera. 01:04:16.031 --> 01:04:17.212 And what do you think we should learn from that? 01:04:19.770 --> 01:04:27.376 I mean, I think you're absolutely right to ask the question of whether or not these agencies deserve the powers that they have been granted. 01:04:27.396 --> 01:04:30.578 If there's anybody up in the control room, I need some more coffee. 01:04:31.499 --> 01:04:43.729 Granted, I mean, should the CDC be a 40,000 person agency and not have a single person in the agency with the common sense to say, you know, if we tell the public that you should make a two-year-old wear a cloth mask, 01:04:44.449 --> 01:05:00.638 in daycare, except for the two hours a day when they're all napped side by side, if you tell the public that, that that's a policy that makes sense and the CDC endorses that, you might not be surprised when a few years later they don't trust any single thing you say because what you said was patently absurd, right? 01:05:00.698 --> 01:05:04.340 So to me, I think it does raise questions about these institutions, 01:05:05.020 --> 01:05:07.425 whether or not they should be as big as they are, what kind of oversight. 01:05:07.545 --> 01:05:15.541 What he's not gonna question as a guy on the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. 01:05:16.857 --> 01:05:30.207 Currently one of the heads of the FDA, he's never going to question the absurdity of using PCR with a single set of primers to find a novel virus as part of an ongoing pandemic. 01:05:30.247 --> 01:05:31.488 He's never going to question it. 01:05:32.329 --> 01:05:40.435 Never going to even come close to questioning the further use of PCR in any context has a diagnostic with a single set of primers and a probe. 01:05:41.215 --> 01:05:49.288 Never, ever, ever, ever, ever are they going to regulate that sector of the market again until the FDA is effectively gone. 01:05:52.296 --> 01:05:54.197 I can tell you that for sure. 01:05:54.277 --> 01:05:59.099 And that's the reason why this conversation is about to go off the rails. 01:05:59.459 --> 01:06:00.960 They have, who do they actually work for? 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:03.861 Do they work for the people or do they work for their own intrinsic interests? 01:06:04.201 --> 01:06:08.303 And I think the questions you're asking about FDA, I think are important and the correct questions that go beyond COVID. 01:06:08.323 --> 01:06:12.165 I mean, I think they extend to, we could talk about Alzheimer's drugs and cancer drugs, which I think we will. 01:06:12.945 --> 01:06:19.628 The question of whether or not the FDA is serving the public's interest or merely a hurdle that justifies high drug prices. 01:06:20.168 --> 01:06:28.571 So I think you're absolutely spot on that the indisputable fact is that the FDA regulation is a key gatekeeper to the price of drugs in this country. 01:06:28.611 --> 01:06:30.372 It increases the administrative. 01:06:30.412 --> 01:06:34.453 So the main problem is, is that with the FDA, drugs are more expensive. 01:06:34.493 --> 01:06:39.295 So that's their main, that's the only thing that they can really articulate. 01:06:39.755 --> 01:06:43.576 They haven't really even told you what the FDA is supposed to be doing. 01:06:43.977 --> 01:06:47.658 They haven't really even told you what the FDA's mandate really is. 01:06:48.238 --> 01:06:56.810 And by not doing that, they're being really, really malevolent by following the script that they've been given, most likely by Robert Malone and Kevin McKernan. 01:06:57.659 --> 01:06:58.820 burden to bring a drug to market. 01:06:59.240 --> 01:07:03.604 The question is, as a result of that, do we get better and safer and more effective drugs? 01:07:03.644 --> 01:07:06.327 And I think that's really come under question in the last few years. 01:07:06.607 --> 01:07:07.067 Wow. 01:07:07.528 --> 01:07:10.911 Yeah, but I think I want to set the question up even fairly, right? 01:07:10.931 --> 01:07:15.374 Because I think that's the way they would set it up is, do we get better, safer, more effective drugs? 01:07:16.095 --> 01:07:22.461 I mean, at the margin, certainly, if you're going to require jumping through all kinds of hurdles that would 01:07:23.447 --> 01:07:35.196 take 10 years and billions of dollars to scale, you would hope that it has some at least infinitesimal improvement in the level of certainty you have and the safety and efficacy and giving doctors the ability to weigh the trade-offs between those two things. 01:07:35.857 --> 01:07:39.960 Maybe you could even question that, but at least it would be some infinitesimal contribution to it. 01:07:40.180 --> 01:07:41.942 The question is, is that worth the cost? 01:07:41.982 --> 01:07:49.467 Is that worth the cost not just to innovation, but even to actual prescription drug costs that are passed on to consumers? 01:07:50.308 --> 01:08:00.870 And I come from a place where I think it's far from clear that the United States of America is better off for the FDA ever having existed in the first place. 01:08:00.890 --> 01:08:02.570 It's gonna make a lot of people mad to hear that. 01:08:02.870 --> 01:08:05.751 People point to thalidomide, people point to a lot of other examples. 01:08:06.191 --> 01:08:11.192 First of all, those are examples that were in the face of the existence of the FDA in the first place. 01:08:11.472 --> 01:08:13.112 So let's just not forget that fact. 01:08:14.033 --> 01:08:15.373 But I think the deeper fact is, 01:08:16.536 --> 01:08:44.976 Do we have some level of, there are trade-offs to any policy choice, but do we have a level of commitment to medical choice that actually would believe that you would have private institutions that would backfill the role played by the FDA as trusted gatekeepers to consumers, but without being... He is suggesting that do we have the commitment to the free market that a private group of people would replace the FDA just because that's how the market forces work? 01:08:46.724 --> 01:08:49.489 Holy shit, it gets worse. 01:08:50.631 --> 01:08:54.578 Centrally as prone to capture as the FDA actually is. 01:08:54.618 --> 01:08:55.760 And I think that's where I start. 01:08:55.780 --> 01:08:56.802 I'd love to hear your views on that. 01:08:58.129 --> 01:09:01.211 I mean, I think it's a deep question and there's just so many places to jump off there. 01:09:01.672 --> 01:09:03.433 Maybe we could start by talking about the capture part. 01:09:03.753 --> 01:09:11.679 I mean, the capture part of the FDA is that, you know, while talking about FDA, I think are important and the correct questions that go beyond COVID. 01:09:11.699 --> 01:09:15.541 I mean, I think they extend to, you know, we could talk about Alzheimer's drugs and cancer drugs, which I think we will. 01:09:16.342 --> 01:09:23.007 The question of whether or not the FDA is serving the public's interest or merely a hurdle that justifies high drug prices. 01:09:23.547 --> 01:09:31.951 So I think you're absolutely spot on that the indisputable fact is that the FDA regulation is a key gatekeeper to the price of drugs in this country. 01:09:31.991 --> 01:09:34.932 It increases the administrative burden to bring a drug to market. 01:09:35.353 --> 01:09:39.735 The question is, as a result of that, do we get better and safer and more effective drugs? 01:09:39.755 --> 01:09:42.476 And I think that's really come under question in the last few years. 01:09:43.875 --> 01:09:47.099 Yeah, I mean, I think I want to set the question up even fairly, right? 01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:51.523 Because I think that's the way they would set it up is do we get better, safer, more effective drugs? 01:09:51.543 --> 01:09:58.631 I mean, at the margin, certainly, if you're going to require jumping through all kinds of hurdles that, you know, would 01:09:59.625 --> 01:10:11.374 take 10 years and billions of dollars to scale, you would hope that it has some at least infinitesimal improvement in the level of certainty you have and the safety and efficacy and giving doctors the ability to weigh the trade-offs between those two things. 01:10:12.034 --> 01:10:16.137 Maybe you could even question that, but at least it would be some infinitesimal contribution to it. 01:10:16.358 --> 01:10:18.119 The question is, is that worth the cost? 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:25.645 Is that worth the cost not just to innovation, but even to actual prescription drug costs that are passed on to consumers? 01:10:26.485 --> 01:10:37.075 And I come from a place where I think it's far from clear that the United States of America is better off for the FDA ever having existed in the first place. 01:10:37.395 --> 01:10:38.776 It's gonna make a lot of people mad to hear that. 01:10:39.056 --> 01:10:41.939 People point to thalidomide, people point to a lot of other examples. 01:10:42.379 --> 01:10:47.384 First of all, those are examples that were in the face of the existence of the FDA in the first place. 01:10:47.664 --> 01:10:49.326 So let's just not forget that fact. 01:10:50.226 --> 01:10:51.568 But I think the deeper fact is, 01:10:52.714 --> 01:11:12.986 Do we have some level of, there are trade-offs to any policy choice, but do we have a level of commitment to medical choice that actually would believe that you would have private institutions that would backfill the role played by the FDA as trusted gatekeepers to consumers, but without being centrally as prone to capture as the FDA actually is? 01:11:13.006 --> 01:11:14.146 And I think that's where I start. 01:11:14.166 --> 01:11:15.207 I'd love to hear your views on that. 01:11:16.525 --> 01:11:19.586 I mean, I think it's a deep question and there's just so many places to jump off there. 01:11:20.046 --> 01:11:21.807 Maybe we could start by talking about the capture part. 01:11:22.127 --> 01:11:31.750 I mean, the capture part of the FDA is that, you know, while the FDA employees work at the FDA, they are technically prohibited from working for consulting for pharmaceutical firms. 01:11:32.190 --> 01:11:37.112 But when they leave the FDA, you know, 60 or 70 percent of people end up working for consulting for the pharmaceutical firms. 01:11:37.532 --> 01:11:47.694 And I believe in the primaries, you were critical of Governor Haley for this particular thing, this kind of revolving door politics where, you know, you set out to do good, you stay to do well for yourself. 01:11:47.894 --> 01:11:55.996 And so that raises the fundamental question of whether or not the FDA employees, is there real motivation to regulate these drug products in a way that's best for the American people? 01:11:56.496 --> 01:12:02.037 Or is there real motivation in an audition, an audition to some way work across the table and take that 01:12:02.757 --> 01:12:10.620 bureaucratic technical expertise and sell it to the companies to create the hurdles that they themselves know how to jump over and sell that expertise to the companies later? 01:12:11.060 --> 01:12:12.081 I think that's an open question. 01:12:12.361 --> 01:12:14.201 And so that's one of the ways in which they're being captured. 01:12:14.882 --> 01:12:22.645 The other way they're being captured is, I think, the extreme lobbying efforts that are being placed on politicians and the political pressure on them. 01:12:24.265 --> 01:12:29.367 The other thing that you said that I think is quite interesting is, what do we get for all their regulation? 01:12:29.967 --> 01:12:31.168 And I think we have to acknowledge that 01:12:32.529 --> 01:12:34.169 Well, actually, maybe let me talk about the choice for a second. 01:12:35.590 --> 01:12:40.011 The choice to me is an interesting one, because as you point out, that there's two types of errors being made here. 01:12:40.491 --> 01:12:44.192 One, they can coerce you to get a medical product, maybe if that's not in your best interest. 01:12:44.672 --> 01:13:01.636 And the other thing is they can prevent you from getting a medical product that you might want to try, knowing fully well that we don't understand the safety signals and we don't understand the full information there, but you have a- Think about how much effort they are making to cloud your understanding of what the FDA's mandate actually is. 01:13:02.805 --> 01:13:22.916 In contrast to the overuse of the phrase safe and effective by Tony Fauci and everyone on TV for five years, starting in 2020, safe and effective, 2021, safe and effective, 2022, safe and effective, repeated over and over and over and over again. 01:13:23.537 --> 01:13:30.521 Now we're talking to somebody who is about to go and become the head of one of the most important wings of the FDA, 01:13:31.361 --> 01:13:37.444 never ever saying what the actual mandate of the FDA is. 01:13:37.864 --> 01:13:43.827 And they happen to be both, I don't know, not Russian and not Chinese and not Jewish. 01:13:44.468 --> 01:13:45.168 Terminal illness. 01:13:45.748 --> 01:13:47.970 You may feel like, what do I have to lose by trying? 01:13:48.450 --> 01:13:51.031 So they're preventing both things and they've made errors on both ends. 01:13:51.051 --> 01:13:54.293 I mean, I think the vaccine mandates 01:13:54.713 --> 01:14:17.051 particularly around young men who are in college, which were implemented from the White House down and by many universities, clearly led to net harm because a college man who received dose two and beyond of the mRNA vaccines had greater harm from the risk of myocarditis than they could possibly have from the benefit in COVID-19 outcomes because they're young and healthy. 01:14:17.631 --> 01:14:30.680 And so that's an example of the administrative state, actually, I think, FDA plus White House, plus, you know, OSHA, plus the pressure they placed on colleges, actually causing harm to the American people by forcing them to take a product that they may not have wanted. 01:14:31.580 --> 01:14:34.723 Now, how many people didn't get access to a product that might have helped them? 01:14:34.783 --> 01:14:36.484 I think that's a tougher question to answer. 01:14:36.504 --> 01:14:39.826 And, you know, we could talk more about that. 01:14:40.787 --> 01:14:44.031 I'm not aware of any sort of really good studies that get at that, but that's sort of what you're getting at. 01:14:44.311 --> 01:14:46.213 They're blocking both kinds of choice. 01:14:47.074 --> 01:14:50.699 And then the question is, are they in the sweet spot? 01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:52.901 Could they shift the dial a little bit? 01:14:53.983 --> 01:14:55.545 We don't know much about that. 01:14:56.005 --> 01:14:56.185 Yeah. 01:14:56.786 --> 01:14:58.688 I think that, I mean, the alternative question is, 01:14:59.932 --> 01:15:01.353 Are we sure? 01:15:01.373 --> 01:15:03.675 I mean, the bar's got to be high to say that they are going to be in the sweet spot. 01:15:03.695 --> 01:15:18.786 If not, the market, all else equal, would be a better arbiter of what that sweet spot actually is, including physicians, customers, patients, relying on other intermediary institutions to tell them what they can and cannot trust. 01:15:18.806 --> 01:15:23.549 So you'd have JD Power and Associates rating cars that people used to buy, certainly in the 1990s. 01:15:23.869 --> 01:15:25.891 You'd have equivalent institutions rating 01:15:26.491 --> 01:15:32.575 And even many of the payer organizations are beginning to have them for themselves, rating the value of different drugs and risks and benefits and trade-offs. 01:15:32.915 --> 01:15:37.058 Rating the value of different things is going to be done using what? 01:15:37.558 --> 01:15:38.478 That's right. 01:15:38.579 --> 01:15:39.399 It's going to be used. 01:15:39.419 --> 01:15:41.020 You're doing blockchain. 01:15:41.120 --> 01:15:42.061 Now you hear it. 01:15:42.841 --> 01:15:43.782 Now you hear it. 01:15:43.942 --> 01:15:51.887 Every time they say rating systems and public rating systems and public, you know, that's all blockchain. 01:15:52.827 --> 01:15:55.069 So against that backdrop, what role does the FDA play? 01:15:55.973 --> 01:16:05.858 And I think part of what's happened is that the existence of an institution like the FDA has actually crowded out the rise of those alternative intermediary institutions. 01:16:05.878 --> 01:16:21.805 So you can't just measure it against the status quo, but what the status quo... Having a public institution to enforce the safe and effective mandate that it's given has driven out the private competition to regulating safe and effective... Oh my gosh, wow, that is... 01:16:23.406 --> 01:16:25.989 so disingenuously argued it's pathetic. 01:16:33.121 --> 01:16:34.682 And I think you hit the nail on the head here. 01:16:34.722 --> 01:16:38.424 That blanket of security is indeed a false blanket of security. 01:16:39.144 --> 01:16:41.405 People talk about the effects of thalidomide many years ago. 01:16:41.585 --> 01:16:45.247 You're actually not going to hear as much in the press probably for the next 15 years. 01:16:45.808 --> 01:16:47.889 Eventually, it'll come around to it 20 years from now. 01:16:47.909 --> 01:17:01.756 But for the next 15 years, you're probably not going to hear about the adverse consequences by way of myocarditis or otherwise of an FDA-approved and government-mandated program, which is even worse than just a government-allowed program, which is what you had in the case of thalidomide and birth defects. 01:17:02.236 --> 01:17:05.957 which is the telltale example that they used to justify the existence of the FDA. 01:17:06.597 --> 01:17:30.225 And so my view, I guess my question, I share with my views, I'm curious for you is, it's hard to know, but what is your hypothesis of whether or not, on balance, the American health system and the patients who are the most important stakeholder in that system would be better, worse, or at least arguably unknown as to whether they'd be better off 01:17:31.502 --> 01:17:34.003 if there wasn't an FDA in the first place. 01:17:45.205 --> 01:17:46.886 Sorry, it's a low D, I forget. 01:17:47.406 --> 01:17:54.267 The last three keys are gunshots and then the low D is a... I mean, what in the world is going on here? 01:17:54.907 --> 01:17:56.428 This guy, his answer, 01:17:58.340 --> 01:18:07.084 now should really scare you because remember, he's at the head of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. 01:18:08.185 --> 01:18:26.634 The very place that regulates vaccines, mRNAs, everything that we're worried about right now is under the purview of this super trader, this super fraud, who's being promoted by this super fraud. 01:18:28.612 --> 01:18:30.134 You see this problem here? 01:18:30.195 --> 01:18:35.403 This is a very, very big problem because he is in government right now. 01:18:40.253 --> 01:18:47.136 I think if you're talking about FDA 2024, I think that they'd probably be better off as a result of not having the FDA. 01:18:47.496 --> 01:18:48.676 And let's unpack that a little bit. 01:18:49.757 --> 01:18:53.058 You alluded to that the FDA is the be-all end-all. 01:18:53.578 --> 01:19:00.621 He should have to explain this on every podcast of the FDA that he does with Marty McCary, because how does he have that job then? 01:19:01.081 --> 01:19:08.465 He thinks right now in 2025 or four, as this was, that America would be better off without the FDA. 01:19:08.525 --> 01:19:09.426 He just said that. 01:19:09.906 --> 01:19:11.067 And now he works there. 01:19:11.567 --> 01:19:26.196 This is a red alert for all Americans to understand how important it is to get our streams and our news out because the rest of the shit on YouTube and on X is not real. 01:19:28.055 --> 01:19:28.676 Many ways they are. 01:19:28.736 --> 01:19:33.342 So let me just talk a little bit about my field, cancer medicine, you know, through a number of different provisions. 01:19:33.662 --> 01:19:43.134 When the FDA approves a cancer drug, it is often mandated coverage by Medicare and Medicaid that we have to pay for it as well. 01:19:43.795 --> 01:19:55.779 And so what you do as you point out, you crowd out anybody's ability to say, Hey, you know, maybe we could have this available to people, but maybe there needs to be, uh, you know, some, some, uh, some serious copays for that. 01:19:55.799 --> 01:20:00.561 Maybe there needs to be, um, some restrictions on who should get access to it because there's a lot of uncertainty. 01:20:00.781 --> 01:20:04.962 Are you feeling how complicated it's going to get now and how many details they're going to talk about? 01:20:04.982 --> 01:20:06.482 Because he's a cancer researcher. 01:20:06.522 --> 01:20:07.963 He knows about all this stuff. 01:20:09.741 --> 01:20:16.965 He said we would be better off without the FDA with having never said what the FDA even does. 01:20:17.025 --> 01:20:19.606 He doesn't even know what the FDA's mandate is. 01:20:21.015 --> 01:20:21.795 be a free-for-all. 01:20:22.176 --> 01:20:25.538 There'll just be tons of products coming on the market and we won't know what's better. 01:20:26.458 --> 01:20:29.260 In many ways, it might be like the way the cellular phone market is. 01:20:29.300 --> 01:20:30.701 There's still fierce competition. 01:20:31.041 --> 01:20:33.963 There's a number of websites that are rating phones all the time. 01:20:34.023 --> 01:20:38.346 When you're thinking about buying a phone, particularly an Android phone, all these sites are rating them. 01:20:38.506 --> 01:20:48.252 All these supplement producers would sure like it if the FDA went away so that they could put whatever they wanted to on the outside of their bottles without having to say that this is not an FDA-approved claim. 01:20:49.573 --> 01:20:50.654 They would all love that. 01:20:52.887 --> 01:20:55.768 There may be different groups of people who rate cancer drugs differently. 01:20:55.788 --> 01:20:58.448 I think I'm a very sort of a purist of evidence-based medicine. 01:20:58.628 --> 01:21:01.308 We would put out, you know, we could arguably put out a set of guidelines. 01:21:01.348 --> 01:21:06.309 Some insurance companies may decide to go with me because they think, you know, Prasad's guidelines are more evidence-based. 01:21:06.349 --> 01:21:08.170 They lead to more cost-effective healthcare. 01:21:08.510 --> 01:21:15.211 Other insurance companies might go with different guidelines, but you would get competition in the marketplace, and then you would allow people to see who's winning. 01:21:16.231 --> 01:21:20.852 Can't you hear all the business opportunities that are gonna be available to all of these people? 01:21:20.892 --> 01:21:21.552 Can't you hear it? 01:21:23.166 --> 01:21:27.030 our new healthcare system in America is gonna be one giant cluster F. 01:21:42.085 --> 01:21:46.692 When we imagine a world without the FDA, it's easy to envision the boogeyman of just a free-for-all. 01:21:47.033 --> 01:21:47.894 That might not be what it is. 01:21:48.275 --> 01:21:55.025 And the last thing about thalidomide, I'd just say to your point, what was the story of thalidomide for the listeners in the 1950s, late 1950s? 01:21:57.629 --> 01:22:04.654 Thalidomide was approved in the United Kingdom, but notably there was one FDA reviewer who famously did not want that product available in the U.S. 01:22:04.714 --> 01:22:07.776 market, and it was approved as a morning sickness medicine for pregnant women. 01:22:09.157 --> 01:22:16.082 In the U.K., unfortunately, thalidomide does cause, it's a teratogen, it causes serious birth defects like the prevention of the development of the 01:22:17.643 --> 01:22:21.686 And so you had a lot of children born without like their upper arms developed in the United Kingdom. 01:22:21.726 --> 01:22:24.769 The United States, since we didn't approve it, we didn't have that phenomenon. 01:22:25.129 --> 01:22:30.453 Now, many people in response to that felt like that was a great example of why we need to strengthen the FDA. 01:22:30.473 --> 01:22:35.917 It led to the passage of the Kiefer-Harris amendments in the early 60s, and it gave FDA more authority in regulating drug products. 01:22:36.678 --> 01:22:38.940 But strictly speaking, it wasn't an example 01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:50.205 where the regulation, had it been in place prior, would have prevented thalidomide from coming on the market because it was an efficacy requirement that they added, and this was really a safety concern. 01:22:50.245 --> 01:22:51.746 So I think you're right about the story. 01:22:51.786 --> 01:22:54.427 It's not always told in the crispest way possible. 01:22:54.467 --> 01:22:56.788 I think there's more nuance to that story, as you note. 01:22:58.069 --> 01:23:01.170 More nuance to that story, as you note. 01:23:01.210 --> 01:23:02.811 He got some of that OK. 01:23:02.871 --> 01:23:05.813 Some of that, he mentioned, you know, the Kefauver Amendment. 01:23:05.833 --> 01:23:06.533 That's interesting. 01:23:07.619 --> 01:23:14.042 But I don't think he understands how bad his position is. 01:23:14.062 --> 01:23:19.785 I don't think he understands how exposed he is and how easy it is to see that he is a liar and a traitor. 01:23:20.816 --> 01:23:27.522 because that story right there was also just mentioned as part of a script to make sure that it seems pretty believable. 01:23:28.202 --> 01:23:34.447 Don't mention that Estes Kefauver was killed in the Senate floor three weeks before John F. Kennedy was shot. 01:23:34.507 --> 01:23:35.288 Don't mention that. 01:23:36.049 --> 01:23:37.570 Don't mention Les Weinstein. 01:23:37.770 --> 01:23:47.098 Don't mention Robert F. Kennedy appointing Les Weinstein as the first Department of Justice intellectual property lawyer ever 01:23:49.946 --> 01:23:57.171 Don't mention that he's still the most, the highest paid arbitrator of biotech patent law in America. 01:23:57.231 --> 01:23:58.412 Don't mention any of that. 01:24:02.755 --> 01:24:05.096 Just say that we'd be better off without the FDA. 01:24:05.136 --> 01:24:10.400 And by the way, he's going to be the head of CBER in another six months. 01:24:11.441 --> 01:24:12.982 How extraordinary is this? 01:24:13.629 --> 01:24:25.041 Yeah, and I think a lot of those, you know, stories that are designed, there's only a couple of them really, but that's the one that's a classic case that any... If we take this a step farther and look for more scripted bullshit, I'm sure we're going to find it. 01:24:26.422 --> 01:24:29.725 These guys represent that kind of scripted bullshit, right? 01:24:30.586 --> 01:24:32.228 You know that that's what they did. 01:24:32.308 --> 01:24:34.130 You can see that that's what they did. 01:24:34.170 --> 01:24:36.592 You can just go on YouTube and watch their videos. 01:24:37.273 --> 01:24:47.483 from 2021 and 2022, and you can see that these guys are malevolent actors on a script with a lot of confidence that it's okay to laugh. 01:24:47.983 --> 01:25:00.035 A lot of confidence that it's okay to joke because they have been told what the safe subjects are, what the safe questions are to ask, and what the topics that they don't need to know, they probably don't know because they're that bad. 01:25:00.595 --> 01:25:03.778 that they're that dependent on the script that they're given. 01:25:04.158 --> 01:25:18.011 They're actually no different than Peter Hotez explaining that at the start of the anthrax attacks, he was just sitting at his desk with two books open to the anthrax chapter and reading to journalists. 01:25:18.091 --> 01:25:22.335 And that's how he rose to such prominence as a microbiologist. 01:25:22.415 --> 01:25:23.256 It's really a joke. 01:25:23.756 --> 01:25:24.998 This whole thing is a joke. 01:25:25.999 --> 01:25:33.109 It's a joke because there was a biological phenomenon that they have misconstrued as a spreading pathogen. 01:25:33.750 --> 01:25:35.352 And they did it with two things. 01:25:35.433 --> 01:25:40.019 They did it first by sculpting this old population and its murder. 01:25:41.472 --> 01:25:43.973 using protocols and stuff like that. 01:25:44.073 --> 01:25:47.435 But also they sculpted the younger people's death here. 01:25:47.495 --> 01:25:58.560 They got a little bit of this out of the way using the similar techniques, including supplementary oxygen and other things that led to ARDS that could be blamed for COVID. 01:25:58.580 --> 01:26:07.304 They used PCR to do that, nonspecific PCR tests, all in an effort to create the illusion 01:26:08.280 --> 01:26:15.285 that the pandemic was a biological phenomenon that could be blamed exclusively on a virus instead of on murder. 01:26:16.249 --> 01:26:19.271 instead of on an expected rise in all-cause mortality. 01:26:19.351 --> 01:26:29.559 That's why the McKinsey Global Institute's population dependency and depopulation, this whole report came out in 2025 and not in 2020. 01:26:29.979 --> 01:26:39.086 Because if it came out in 2020, the population pyramids would have had this lopsided top on them that everybody would have been able to see, hey, wait a minute, where'd that go? 01:26:41.069 --> 01:26:45.030 because that's not in this one anymore because those people are all dead. 01:26:45.090 --> 01:26:52.131 The people who died in the last five years, roughly 3 million people per year in America alone, they're all off the pyramid now. 01:26:53.371 --> 01:26:57.212 It's almost like you came after the guy that trimmed the hedges came in. 01:26:57.272 --> 01:27:04.494 And so what was an overgrown jungle at the top has now become a very nice trimmed hedge at the top. 01:27:04.534 --> 01:27:06.014 Yeah, that's great because of this. 01:27:10.734 --> 01:27:12.936 And so we have a list of ways that they did it. 01:27:12.996 --> 01:27:27.366 It might be an incomplete list, but it's a hell of a lot more complete list than the people who say there are no virus or the people who say that it's a gain of function virus or the people that are complaining that there was no real rise in all cause mortality until the shots rolled out. 01:27:29.808 --> 01:27:30.849 That's just bullshit. 01:27:33.615 --> 01:27:48.497 And so we do have one case that supposedly is pushing the idea that protocols were murder, but we've got to be very, very careful and vigilant to make sure that all of the aspects of Grace's protocol are put to scrutiny because 01:27:49.318 --> 01:27:56.665 It used to be that the main story was that she was put on supplementary oxygen because her pulse ox was a little low. 01:27:56.745 --> 01:28:04.411 Not that dissimilar to how FLCCC told us at the beginning of the pandemic we should go to the hospital if our pulse ox is below 96%. 01:28:07.205 --> 01:28:13.488 So now they're talking about all the other things that killed people, all the other combinations of drugs that killed people. 01:28:13.948 --> 01:28:31.716 But remember, Mark and I are the only people on the internet who are trying to point out that supplementary oxygen would be an easy and virtually foolproof way to turn a knob in every hospital to make sure that a certain percentage of people inevitably developed ARDS. 01:28:34.011 --> 01:28:39.473 I will say it more and more and more and more often, you don't need to kill particular people. 01:28:39.553 --> 01:28:46.396 You just need to encourage people to act in a way where a larger percentage of people will die of a similar cause. 01:28:46.816 --> 01:28:47.976 That's all they had to do. 01:28:48.416 --> 01:28:57.860 If they sign of willy nilly encouraged people to use supplementary oxygen, if you don't have enough ventilators, that 01:28:58.667 --> 01:29:18.795 recommendation alone would be enough to significantly change the mortality in hospitals especially when people were insisting that such a thing as viral pneumonia existed and that viral pneumonia would be inappropriate to treat with antibiotics stop 01:29:20.216 --> 01:29:29.300 That is the single most important thing to see here because that's also how people often went septic and it became this multi-system inflammatory syndrome. 01:29:30.160 --> 01:29:36.243 Because what's happening there is that people with an infection are not being treated. 01:29:36.724 --> 01:29:43.727 Like for example, if you have a urinary tract infection and people blame it on a viral syndrome and don't treat you, you will go septic. 01:29:43.747 --> 01:29:45.648 You will die a very painful death. 01:29:48.570 --> 01:30:00.372 If they give you supplementary oxygen until you develop pneumonia, and then they don't treat it with antibiotics because, you know, antibiotics are inappropriate for pneumonia, you will have people die. 01:30:01.352 --> 01:30:03.473 And that's exactly what you see right there. 01:30:05.553 --> 01:30:11.274 Now you use the opioid deaths in all ages, but especially under 40. 01:30:11.434 --> 01:30:15.955 And now you have a reduction in life expectancy that seems to coincide with the pandemic. 01:30:17.639 --> 01:30:39.384 And as long as nobody talks about an incoming anticipated rise in all-cause mortality, and nobody talks about this huge list of ways that all-cause mortality could be mixed up with a decrease in life expectancy, and misconstrued has a total representation of a crisis about a novel virus, it's really hard. 01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:42.180 This is as good as it gets right here. 01:30:42.601 --> 01:30:44.002 This is American history. 01:30:44.462 --> 01:30:45.703 This is world history. 01:30:45.783 --> 01:30:48.425 And everything else on the internet is basically bullshit. 01:30:49.886 --> 01:30:52.628 So good luck to Grace's dad, Scott Shara. 01:30:52.728 --> 01:30:54.129 I hope the case goes well. 01:30:55.030 --> 01:30:58.432 The reason why we are where we are has a lot to do with Mark Kulak. 01:30:58.472 --> 01:31:02.275 If you don't follow him, Mark is at HousatonicITS.com. 01:31:02.475 --> 01:31:04.016 Housatomic is kind of a joke. 01:31:04.577 --> 01:31:05.317 It's Housatonic. 01:31:07.907 --> 01:31:17.029 I am very, very excited to be able to be the guy at this point who feels pretty confident that this is a group of liars. 01:31:17.149 --> 01:31:20.749 This is a group of liars given a script by McKernan and by Malone. 01:31:21.729 --> 01:31:25.170 It's a group of people that work very hard on social media. 01:31:25.690 --> 01:31:29.411 They're a group of people that only has power because we use social media. 01:31:29.811 --> 01:31:34.752 And so the moment we stop using social media is the moment that all of these people become irrelevant. 01:31:34.792 --> 01:31:35.692 And so that's why I think 01:31:36.292 --> 01:31:41.415 It's more important for you to get off of social media than it is for you to be on it. 01:31:42.736 --> 01:31:51.481 I might stay on it because I'm still trying to fight them using it, but I'm definitely not trying to usefully use social media to get my message out. 01:31:51.601 --> 01:31:56.264 I'm using email for that and text messaging for that and my websites for that. 01:31:56.404 --> 01:31:58.746 So, this is all they ever had. 01:31:59.546 --> 01:32:07.276 Um, people like McCairn, um, this is all they ever had is people put in place to lie about a worst case scenario for five years. 01:32:07.756 --> 01:32:12.102 This guy was on a script provided to him by Kevin McKernan and by Robert Malone. 01:32:12.142 --> 01:32:14.905 And he might've not known all the details, but he definitely can. 01:32:15.706 --> 01:32:17.529 only be explained by that. 01:32:18.029 --> 01:32:22.795 The reason why he's not streaming right now for the past month or so is because we've made him irrelevant. 01:32:23.196 --> 01:32:30.966 Because Steve Kirsch has made him irrelevant by having him on his podcast and revealing that he's nothing but a script reading clown. 01:32:31.952 --> 01:32:34.814 Otherwise, he wouldn't find himself where he was. 01:32:34.854 --> 01:32:41.377 He wouldn't have found himself on the Vajon Health podcast about a year ago with Christine Grace and Charles Rixey. 01:32:41.718 --> 01:32:47.321 He wouldn't have found himself on streams in March of 2020 with two associates of George Webb. 01:32:47.661 --> 01:32:50.783 And he wouldn't be having to be replaced by this clown. 01:32:51.383 --> 01:33:03.513 Jordan Vaughn and a second stream at VSRF, who's now doing all the podcasts that I guess Kevin McCarron was supposed to do about prions and amyloid, but now this guy's doing it. 01:33:03.593 --> 01:33:05.574 His auditions have finally paid off. 01:33:05.995 --> 01:33:13.901 And more importantly, this guy's ties to me for five years have finally cost him his little career as a podcaster. 01:33:15.336 --> 01:33:22.318 Hopefully very soon, Brian Hooker is gonna confess that he could have said this in 2013 and stuck to it. 01:33:22.918 --> 01:33:25.479 In condition that we will not call autism. 01:33:25.619 --> 01:33:27.179 I don't like the word autism. 01:33:28.059 --> 01:33:29.120 He was vaccine damaged. 01:33:29.480 --> 01:33:30.900 He was neurologically damaged. 01:33:31.780 --> 01:33:34.341 In condition that we will not call autism. 01:33:34.501 --> 01:33:36.041 I don't like the word autism. 01:33:36.942 --> 01:33:37.982 He was vaccine damaged. 01:33:38.382 --> 01:33:41.103 What you need to understand is that autism is a myth. 01:33:41.303 --> 01:33:59.773 Autism is a myth that encompasses as many unrelated conditions in children as possible in order to make sure a message like Brian Hooker's never actually surfaces and has any headway, that intramuscular injection can just damage kids. 01:34:01.273 --> 01:34:06.176 The same exact message that Brandy Vaughn put out until she was killed. 01:34:07.268 --> 01:34:09.830 in condition that we will not call autism. 01:34:09.950 --> 01:34:11.511 I don't like the word autism. 01:34:12.392 --> 01:34:13.312 He was vaccine damaged. 01:34:13.492 --> 01:34:16.334 Why use the word autism to describe poisoning? 01:34:17.055 --> 01:34:20.437 Why use the word autism to describe neurological damage? 01:34:25.921 --> 01:34:26.962 Because it's a myth. 01:34:28.263 --> 01:34:31.445 And that's why Brian Hooker uses that word now, but in 2013 did not. 01:34:33.888 --> 01:34:38.916 He's been co-opted by the same mythology that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:34:38.936 --> 01:34:47.931 has been co-opted by, that Mary Holland lies about, that Pauly Tommy lies about, that Andrew Wakefield lies about, that Meryl Nass lies about, that they all lie about. 01:34:49.454 --> 01:34:54.297 He was neurologically damaged, in condition that we will not call autism. 01:34:54.437 --> 01:34:55.998 I don't like the word autism. 01:34:56.898 --> 01:34:57.939 He was vaccine damaged. 01:34:58.219 --> 01:35:01.521 Why did Brian Hooker stop saying that? 01:35:02.361 --> 01:35:08.965 Everybody that follows Brian Hooker should only be asking him that question for the rest of his life. 01:35:09.605 --> 01:35:12.647 Why did you start saying autism? 01:35:15.777 --> 01:35:20.800 And the reason why is because he's a witting or unwitting traitor to our grandchildren. 01:35:23.082 --> 01:35:34.029 The same way that Suzanne Humphreys is a witting traitor to our grandchildren, because since her book in 2013, she hasn't made any intellectual progress at all. 01:35:35.030 --> 01:35:40.814 Unlike Brandy Vaughn, who made all kinds of intellectual progress documented from 2015 to 2019, 01:35:44.275 --> 01:35:47.356 But none of these people have made progress, especially this one. 01:35:50.637 --> 01:35:52.037 Especially this one. 01:35:53.518 --> 01:35:55.398 This one is especially special. 01:35:56.478 --> 01:36:04.420 On over 90 billboards in her bra more than 15 years ago, ladies and gentlemen, swaying votes for prime ministers on autism. 01:36:04.881 --> 01:36:06.441 We gotta have autism awareness. 01:36:06.461 --> 01:36:08.342 We need more programs in schools. 01:36:12.403 --> 01:36:13.303 That's how we got here. 01:36:14.144 --> 01:36:18.588 He might be an unwitting victim of the worst intelligence scam ever. 01:36:18.848 --> 01:36:19.249 I don't know. 01:36:19.329 --> 01:36:19.990 I don't care. 01:36:20.810 --> 01:36:21.631 He's not real. 01:36:22.412 --> 01:36:23.913 His claims were not real. 01:36:24.013 --> 01:36:25.735 His motivations were not real. 01:36:26.736 --> 01:36:28.598 His actions are not real anymore. 01:36:28.678 --> 01:36:33.422 And Jay Bhattacharya and Marty Makkari standing in front is not real. 01:36:34.043 --> 01:36:35.744 It is a purposefully designed 01:36:36.755 --> 01:36:40.558 controlled demolition of America or some parts of the American government. 01:36:41.219 --> 01:36:50.727 And the script they're following was designed by Robert Malone and Kevin McKernan, provided to Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and provided to people like Brett Weinstein. 01:36:53.442 --> 01:37:08.287 And it's all one malevolent network that includes Piper Stover, the lady who first got me in connected with Brett Weinstein, the first person that really got me to start writing stuff down for five months before it was gonna be published in the Wall Street Journal or something. 01:37:08.547 --> 01:37:09.247 Stop lying! 01:37:11.075 --> 01:37:13.096 trying to get my wife to tutor her daughter. 01:37:13.176 --> 01:37:40.955 This is a, in a very elaborate intelligence operation that unfortunately I was one of the main victims of, but I can tell you this fake anti-vax movement is really fake and they have fake actors all around like this fake and like, like Jack Cruz is a fake and they have unwitting participants who have been so surrounded by fakes on so many trips and so many conferences with these fakes that she is unaware of how she's been played. 01:37:41.015 --> 01:37:41.092 you 01:37:49.557 --> 01:37:50.798 Welcome back to Face the Nation. 01:37:50.818 --> 01:37:54.863 We're joined now by FDA Commissioner, Dr. Marty Makary. 01:37:54.923 --> 01:37:55.323 Good morning. 01:37:55.363 --> 01:37:55.784 Good morning. 01:37:55.904 --> 01:37:56.965 Good to have you here in person. 01:37:57.025 --> 01:37:57.606 Good to be here. 01:37:58.126 --> 01:38:06.155 So I want to get through a lot here, but one of the things we've noticed is this new COVID variant that seems to be circulating in Asia. 01:38:07.015 --> 01:38:09.698 I believe it's NB1.8.1. 01:38:09.838 --> 01:38:11.200 It's a variant under monitoring. 01:38:11.400 --> 01:38:12.041 What do we need to know? 01:38:12.352 --> 01:38:30.932 Yeah, so this appears to be a sub-variant of JN1, which has been the dominant strain, so it's believed that there is... So you can test for it, and you can sequence it, and then you can map it back to the other 18 million sequences that we have and judge the evolutionary position in the phylogenetic tree. 01:38:32.839 --> 01:38:43.646 How quickly did he get all of the assumptions of the novel virus that killed millions of people, that millions more were saved from, that might go endemic, that's probably gained a function, but who cares, because it's there now. 01:38:45.427 --> 01:38:50.810 Endemicity is the main illusion here with regard to virology. 01:38:50.870 --> 01:38:58.315 The idea that a virus can go from a mud puddle to be just present in the background forever. 01:38:59.497 --> 01:39:04.178 is a primary illusion of the pandemic, and this is the FDA director. 01:39:05.039 --> 01:39:06.379 Cross-immunity protection. 01:39:06.939 --> 01:39:12.941 The COVID virus is gonna continue to mutate, and it's behaving like a common cold virus. 01:39:13.041 --> 01:39:19.103 It's now gonna become the fifth coronavirus that's seasonal that causes about 25% of the cases of the common cold. 01:39:30.333 --> 01:39:35.517 Robert Malone said the worst case scenario in an event like this is that something would go endemic. 01:39:37.018 --> 01:39:40.241 That journalist Garrett said it in a CNN movie. 01:39:41.162 --> 01:39:48.207 You know, the worst case scenario is if something like this goes endemic, then it's just contributing to the all-cause mortality forever. 01:39:48.888 --> 01:39:56.033 Because RNA molecules with the right combination of bases, they can just become background signals forever. 01:40:01.693 --> 01:40:09.158 He doesn't know Jack about Diddley and could never explain that other than the script that he's been given by McKernan and Malone. 01:40:09.386 --> 01:40:13.749 or thinking of it as like a flu type variant, just a normal fluctuation. 01:40:13.809 --> 01:40:17.712 The flu mutates about 34 times more frequently than COVID. 01:40:17.872 --> 01:40:24.176 So get ready, because biologically speaking, the flu is definitely better positioned for the next pandemic. 01:40:24.276 --> 01:40:25.097 Just get ready. 01:40:25.517 --> 01:40:39.126 COVID variant mutation rate appears to be a little more stable, but the international bodies that have provided some guidance on which strain to target have suggested that either JN1 or any of these sub-variants would be reasonable strains to target. 01:40:39.826 --> 01:40:41.768 So you don't seem overly concerned about that. 01:40:41.848 --> 01:41:01.565 I want to get now into some of the recommendations that have been very specific this week from the CDC and you with the HHS secretary in this video announcement on Tuesday, where Secretary Kennedy said the CDC was removing the COVID vaccine for healthy children and healthy pregnant women from its recommended immunization schedule. 01:41:01.605 --> 01:41:02.425 He then had a memo 01:41:03.266 --> 01:41:10.771 to the CDC rescinding recommendations for kids vaccines, saying the known risks do not outweigh the benefits. 01:41:11.571 --> 01:41:20.517 Then late Thursday, the CDC said, quote, shared clinical decision making, which I think is just talking to your doctor, should determine whether kids get vaccinated. 01:41:20.837 --> 01:41:23.398 Can you clearly state what the policy is? 01:41:23.458 --> 01:41:24.519 Because this is confusing. 01:41:24.599 --> 01:41:27.600 Yeah, we believe the recommendation should be with a patient and their doctor. 01:41:27.640 --> 01:41:43.828 So we're gonna get away from these blanket recommendations in healthy young Americans because we don't wanna see, we don't, well, on the COVID vaccine schedule, we don't wanna see kids kicked out of school because a 12-year-old girl is not getting her fifth COVID booster shot. 01:41:44.228 --> 01:41:51.792 We don't see the data there to support a young, healthy child getting a repeat infinite annual COVID vaccine. 01:41:51.872 --> 01:41:54.094 Who's advocating for that? 01:41:54.275 --> 01:42:05.366 That's a strange straw man to put out there because I don't think there's anybody advocating for high schoolers to get their fifth COVID shot or they can't attend school. 01:42:05.827 --> 01:42:07.288 I don't know what he's talking about there. 01:42:07.328 --> 01:42:08.630 That seems like bullshit to me. 01:42:09.820 --> 01:42:20.251 There's a theory that we should sort of blindly approve the new COVID boosters in young healthy kids every year in perpetuity, and a young girl born today should get 80 COVID mRNA. 01:42:20.912 --> 01:42:23.595 Exactly what Jeff from Earth is saying right there. 01:42:23.675 --> 01:42:24.576 Sorry, my ear itches. 01:42:25.276 --> 01:42:29.501 But it is not questioning their needing of two. 01:42:31.007 --> 01:42:35.951 And that's how you can see this is a malevolent lie and the worst kind of malevolent lie. 01:42:36.451 --> 01:42:37.031 It's gross. 01:42:37.171 --> 01:42:38.012 It's very gross. 01:42:38.072 --> 01:42:39.233 Nice spot there, Jeff. 01:42:39.293 --> 01:42:39.793 Nice spot. 01:42:39.833 --> 01:42:41.054 Good to see you. 01:42:41.094 --> 01:42:43.716 Shots or other COVID shots in her average lifespan. 01:42:44.056 --> 01:42:48.740 We're saying that's a theory and we'd like to check in and get some randomized controlled data. 01:42:49.020 --> 01:42:51.762 It's been about four years since the original randomized trials. 01:42:52.242 --> 01:42:54.163 So we'd like an evidence-based approach. 01:42:54.203 --> 01:42:58.624 Dr. Prasad and I published this in the New England Journal of Medicine last week. 01:42:59.024 --> 01:43:09.008 And we're basically saying we'd like to bring some confidence back to the public around this repeat booster strategy theory because... Your statement was not about repeat boosters. 01:43:09.088 --> 01:43:11.289 It says the vaccine is not recommended for pregnant women. 01:43:11.329 --> 01:43:13.270 The vaccine is not recommended for healthy children. 01:43:13.290 --> 01:43:14.610 That's different than annual boosters. 01:43:14.650 --> 01:43:18.832 Yeah, at this point, we're dealing, you know, it is a booster strategy. 01:43:18.892 --> 01:43:20.932 People would be getting the updated shot. 01:43:20.993 --> 01:43:24.294 So, whether or not a young healthy child... Well, what about kids who haven't gotten a shot? 01:43:24.314 --> 01:43:25.294 So, we'd like to see the data. 01:43:25.394 --> 01:43:27.035 We'd love to see that data doesn't exist. 01:43:27.055 --> 01:43:33.137 No, no, no, but on a practical level, for a parent at home hearing you and trying to make sense of you... We're saying take it back to your doctor. 01:43:33.157 --> 01:43:39.600 If their child has not been vaccinated, are you recommending that their first encounter with COVID be an actual infection? 01:43:40.236 --> 01:43:46.460 We're not going to push the COVID shot in young healthy kids without any clinical trial data supporting it. 01:43:46.660 --> 01:43:50.183 That is a decision between a parent and their doctor. 01:43:50.303 --> 01:43:58.609 And just so you, I don't know if you know these statistics, but 80 for 88% of American kids, their parents have said no to the COVID shot last season. 01:43:58.669 --> 01:44:03.492 So America, the vast majority of Americans are saying no, maybe they want to see some clinical data as well. 01:44:03.872 --> 01:44:05.153 Maybe they have concerns about 01:44:05.213 --> 01:44:06.894 crowdsource my health guidance. 01:44:07.014 --> 01:44:08.635 I want a clear thing, right? 01:44:08.655 --> 01:44:10.036 You don't go with popularity. 01:44:10.076 --> 01:44:11.917 You go with, as you're saying, data. 01:44:11.937 --> 01:44:13.538 And when we look at that data. 01:44:13.558 --> 01:44:15.339 Yeah, so let's see the data. 01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:15.680 Okay. 01:44:15.820 --> 01:44:24.925 So the CDC data said 41% of children aged six months to 17 years hospitalized with COVID between 2022 and 2024 did not have a known underlying condition. 01:44:24.965 --> 01:44:27.147 In other words, they looked healthy. 01:44:27.407 --> 01:44:31.690 So she didn't make any argument about whether they were vaccinated or not. 01:44:35.110 --> 01:44:40.472 And remember, those numbers come from the fact that everybody that goes to a hospital is tested. 01:44:40.652 --> 01:44:42.693 Everybody that goes to a hospital is tested. 01:44:42.753 --> 01:44:44.894 So the numbers are generated by the testing. 01:44:45.314 --> 01:44:46.495 And so are the remnants. 01:44:46.855 --> 01:44:50.577 Everybody is paying money for these tests to be out there. 01:44:50.597 --> 01:44:53.318 The only question is, what pot of fake money is it coming from? 01:44:53.658 --> 01:45:03.004 We know the CDC data is contaminated with a lot of false positives from incidental positive COVID tests with routine testing of every kid that walks in the hospital. 01:45:03.344 --> 01:45:06.806 When I go to the ICU... Oh my gosh, they're testing everybody. 01:45:06.846 --> 01:45:09.007 And sometimes there's incidental positives. 01:45:09.047 --> 01:45:17.012 So not fake positives, not false positives, not nonspecific positives, but real positives that aren't causing any disease. 01:45:17.072 --> 01:45:21.735 Because remember, just as Brian Hooker told us in 2020, right after Brandy died, 01:45:22.395 --> 01:45:25.878 It's COVID and other things spread by asymptomatic spread. 01:45:27.299 --> 01:45:36.447 When I walk to the peak, we know that data historically under the Biden administration did not distinguish being sick from COVID or an incidental positive COVID test. 01:45:36.467 --> 01:45:42.672 When you go to an ICU in America and you ask how many people are in the ICU that are healthy, that are sick with COVID, 01:45:43.452 --> 01:45:47.154 The answer I get again and again is we haven't seen that in a year or years. 01:45:47.634 --> 01:45:56.259 And so, the worst thing you can do in public health is to put out an absolute universal recommendation in young healthy kids, and the vast majority of Americans are saying, no, we want to see some data. 01:45:56.299 --> 01:45:58.680 And you say, forget about the data, just get it anyway. 01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:08.831 Okay, so on data and transparency, for decades, since 1964, it was the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, ACIP, that went through this panel recommendation. 01:46:08.851 --> 01:46:11.674 I mean, people watched these things during COVID. 01:46:11.734 --> 01:46:13.696 The report was then handed up. 01:46:14.077 --> 01:46:17.941 It offered debate, it offered transparency, and it offered data points. 01:46:18.041 --> 01:46:24.286 One of the best public comments at the ACIP meeting that was ever done was me in 2022. 01:46:24.646 --> 01:46:27.989 In case you haven't seen it, it's in the Batcave on my channel. 01:46:28.089 --> 01:46:35.375 Why did you bypass all of this and just come down with a decision before the panel could meet? 01:46:35.555 --> 01:46:36.416 and make that data. 01:46:36.456 --> 01:46:41.922 That panel has been a kangaroo court where they just rubber stamp every single vaccine put in front of them. 01:46:42.302 --> 01:46:51.392 If you look at the minutes of the report, they even say we generally want to move towards a risk stratified approach. 01:46:51.412 --> 01:46:53.074 So why not let them do that in June? 01:46:53.334 --> 01:46:57.716 So in the meantime, we don't want an absolute recommendation for healthy kids to get it. 01:46:57.916 --> 01:47:02.599 They can do it, and that committee will meet and make recommendations. 01:47:02.679 --> 01:47:09.562 But you look at the minutes of the last couple of years, they say, we want a simple message for everybody just so they can understand it. 01:47:09.662 --> 01:47:12.084 It was not a data-based conversation. 01:47:12.124 --> 01:47:15.065 It was a conversation based on marketing and ease. 01:47:15.565 --> 01:47:20.688 And I've written an article titled, Why the People Don't Trust the CDC, and it's in part from that 01:47:24.151 --> 01:47:30.677 We're saying it's going to be between a doctor and a patient until that committee meets or more experts weigh in or we get some clinical data. 01:47:30.697 --> 01:47:33.400 If there's zero clinical data, you're all pining. 01:47:33.560 --> 01:47:35.142 I mean, you're just, it's a theory. 01:47:35.542 --> 01:47:37.384 And so we don't want to put out an abstinence. 01:47:37.404 --> 01:47:39.265 Don't forget, this is 2025. 01:47:39.326 --> 01:47:40.387 This is last Sunday. 01:47:40.447 --> 01:47:41.307 It's like yesterday. 01:47:41.407 --> 01:47:43.590 This is really, really crazy gross. 01:47:44.410 --> 01:47:47.373 recommendation for kids with no clinical data. 01:47:47.413 --> 01:47:49.815 So you made this pronouncement as well on pregnant women. 01:47:51.256 --> 01:47:51.896 There is data. 01:47:53.352 --> 01:48:01.835 Researchers in the UK analyzed a series of 67 studies, which included 1.8 million women, and the journal BMJ Global Health published it. 01:48:01.875 --> 01:48:03.155 People can Google it at home. 01:48:03.576 --> 01:48:14.539 And it says the COVID vaccine in pregnant women is highly effective in reducing the odds of maternal SARS-CoV-2 infection, hospital admission, and improves pregnancy outcomes with no serious safety concerns. 01:48:15.360 --> 01:48:18.941 This is data that shows that it is recommended 01:48:19.932 --> 01:48:22.654 or could be advised for pregnant women to take this vaccine. 01:48:22.814 --> 01:48:23.935 Why do you find other? 01:48:24.176 --> 01:48:28.119 Now, so let's just make sure that you see where GigaOM Biological is on this. 01:48:28.159 --> 01:48:43.912 This is a woman who thinks that knowledge is created by scientific papers and that if you find a scientific paper with the right combination of words and it's abstract in its discussion or even in its title, then whatever it says is real. 01:48:43.972 --> 01:48:44.753 This is data. 01:48:45.473 --> 01:48:47.874 And so that is how gain-of-function was created. 01:48:47.934 --> 01:48:54.195 That's how the proofreading enzyme XON was created for coronaviruses. 01:48:54.235 --> 01:49:04.638 That's how this whole narrative of lab leaks is created, by creating scientific papers that apparently make it seem like these whole things are real and possible. 01:49:05.198 --> 01:49:06.658 We're finding viruses. 01:49:06.718 --> 01:49:07.998 We're spraying things. 01:49:08.538 --> 01:49:10.539 It's just all written on papers. 01:49:11.758 --> 01:49:21.301 and claimed in discussions, and then normies and people who are given a script are told that these are just bricks in a wall. 01:49:22.601 --> 01:49:24.281 And they're not bricks in a wall. 01:49:24.341 --> 01:49:28.843 This is not even a, it's crazy. 01:49:30.353 --> 01:49:32.014 There's no randomized control trial. 01:49:32.054 --> 01:49:32.954 That's the gold standard. 01:49:32.994 --> 01:49:34.735 Those 67 studies are mixed. 01:49:35.175 --> 01:49:40.218 The data in pregnant women is different for healthy versus women with a comorbid condition. 01:49:40.258 --> 01:49:44.900 So it's a very- And so no discussion of general biology can happen. 01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:47.101 No discussion of common sense can happen. 01:49:47.161 --> 01:49:50.723 No discussion of big picture stuff. 01:49:50.803 --> 01:50:00.027 It's only insistence that any knowledge that we have must be based on papers, must be based on evidence-based something. 01:50:01.738 --> 01:50:04.060 There is no big truth. 01:50:04.161 --> 01:50:06.643 There is no larger understanding. 01:50:06.683 --> 01:50:11.488 There are no, you know, baseline foundational understanding of anything. 01:50:11.588 --> 01:50:14.331 Everything is just based on what paper you can cite. 01:50:14.732 --> 01:50:16.914 And they're both reinforcing this trap. 01:50:16.994 --> 01:50:18.776 And it is a very malevolent trap. 01:50:18.996 --> 01:50:19.877 very mixed bags. 01:50:19.897 --> 01:50:26.802 So we're saying your obstetrician, your primary care doctor, and the pregnant woman should together decide whether or not to get it. 01:50:26.822 --> 01:50:31.066 12% of pregnant women last year got the COVID shot. 01:50:31.366 --> 01:50:41.154 So we're not talking about any of the shots relative to birthday, or relative to developmental period or relative to, to their efficacy. 01:50:41.194 --> 01:50:43.295 We're talking only about COVID shots. 01:50:43.375 --> 01:50:46.498 So we're, we're not at all anywhere near where 01:50:47.020 --> 01:50:49.103 supposedly once Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 01:50:49.143 --> 01:50:49.925 was head 01:50:51.184 --> 01:50:56.968 head of HHS, we would make progress in these arenas. 01:50:57.188 --> 01:51:00.970 And there's no progress being made, because that was never gonna happen. 01:51:01.411 --> 01:51:03.412 He was always a Truman Show puppet. 01:51:04.152 --> 01:51:09.036 People have serious concerns, and it's probably because they wanna see a randomized trial data. 01:51:09.396 --> 01:51:12.518 The randomized trial- In the meantime, the world moves on. 01:51:13.018 --> 01:51:16.080 And you published in the New England Journal of Medicine on May 20th, 01:51:17.441 --> 01:51:17.601 Oh, oh. 01:51:34.255 --> 01:51:40.480 In the New England Journal of Medicine, we simply list what the CDC has traditionally defined as high risk. 01:51:40.841 --> 01:51:43.963 And we're just saying, decide with your doctor. 01:51:44.363 --> 01:51:45.845 We're not saying one way or the other. 01:51:45.965 --> 01:51:54.492 And the randomized trial... It's almost like he would rather use AI to decide who to bomb in Gaza, because then we don't have to really worry about it anymore. 01:51:54.532 --> 01:52:00.377 It sounds like he would rather have AI decide who should get the vaccines, because then we don't have to worry about who dies anymore. 01:52:01.445 --> 01:52:03.288 Just make the decision with your doctor. 01:52:03.308 --> 01:52:04.750 That's what health freedom means. 01:52:06.233 --> 01:52:07.795 I don't have any recommendations. 01:52:07.876 --> 01:52:10.360 I don't have any opinions about how this shit works. 01:52:12.239 --> 01:52:13.460 I'm just the FDA head. 01:52:13.981 --> 01:52:14.882 I'm a surgeon. 01:52:15.182 --> 01:52:17.204 So here's the data on pregnant women. 01:52:17.404 --> 01:52:22.709 A randomized control trial was set up and it was closed without any explanation. 01:52:22.990 --> 01:52:30.757 We wanted to see that trial complete so women can have information that in a randomized control trial, which is the gold standard, this is what the data shows. 01:52:30.877 --> 01:52:31.978 We don't have those data. 01:52:32.599 --> 01:52:32.919 All right. 01:52:34.562 --> 01:52:41.428 It is still unclear what pregnant women now should do until they get the data that you say talk to their doctor. 01:52:41.948 --> 01:52:43.850 When do they get the data you're promising? 01:52:44.150 --> 01:52:50.555 All these controlled studies in the absence of data, they should talk to their doctor and their doctor will use their best wisdom and judgment. 01:52:52.417 --> 01:52:55.639 FDA Commissioner, thank you for trying to help clear this up. 01:52:57.040 --> 01:53:02.405 Up next, the potential impact of those new policies regarding foreign student visas will be right back. 01:53:05.362 --> 01:53:10.606 Now who are they going to have talk about foreign student visas and why would foreign student visas be a problem? 01:53:10.646 --> 01:53:13.848 There's a number of reasons why foreign student visas would be a problem. 01:53:14.708 --> 01:53:24.575 The first one is, is that you can start a company about bullshit and then apply for people to come to America and they could get an EB1 visa or something like that. 01:53:25.472 --> 01:53:34.997 There are a lot of people I think that are in America just because some bullshit company is made and then they are brought here under a E1B visa or whatever the visa is. 01:53:35.758 --> 01:53:44.843 There are also visas for foreign students like Chinese students that come over here and apparently do postdocs for free and then steal all our intellectual property. 01:53:48.462 --> 01:53:59.867 I just want you to realize where we're at here because remember my friend, supposedly Piper Stover, spoke in front of Congress in a session that was organized by some guy from India, from Illinois. 01:54:02.048 --> 01:54:05.569 That guy has long time connections to Barack Obama. 01:54:06.970 --> 01:54:13.653 That guy's the head of the Communist Party of China, anti something or other in the House of Representatives. 01:54:14.616 --> 01:54:19.180 He's also kind of in charge of our opinions or investigating any Russian things. 01:54:21.202 --> 01:54:34.673 And he's got a very, you know, unique position in my mind, in the sense that there's a Senate position that might open up in Illinois soon, and he would be in a unique place to take it over. 01:54:34.833 --> 01:54:42.840 Again, remember, we're supposed to be conservatives, not Democrats, yet a Democrat like Piper Stover 01:54:44.884 --> 01:54:51.288 is and a Democrat like, I don't know, like Jay Bhattacharya who worked for the Obama administration. 01:54:51.328 --> 01:55:01.854 Like, I don't know how he would get there if, and how he would get into the Trump administration unless it was kind of an orchestrated show, largely bullshit. 01:55:01.974 --> 01:55:06.717 And a lot of people are not Russian or Chinese, but they seem to be from another country. 01:55:10.225 --> 01:55:13.706 We turn now to the top Democrat on the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party. 01:55:13.786 --> 01:55:15.867 That's Congressman Raja Krishnamoorthi. 01:55:15.967 --> 01:55:17.327 He's in Illinois. 01:55:17.427 --> 01:55:18.407 Good morning to you. 01:55:18.427 --> 01:55:22.188 I want to get straight to it. 01:55:22.548 --> 01:55:28.790 You heard from the Secretary of State this week that the State Department is going to work with Homeland Security to aggressively revoke visas. 01:55:29.270 --> 01:55:34.896 for Chinese students, including those with connections to the Chinese Communist Party, or setting in critical fields. 01:55:35.376 --> 01:55:39.280 There are like 300,000 Chinese students with visas in this country. 01:55:39.780 --> 01:55:40.201 The U.S. 01:55:40.261 --> 01:55:43.003 government already has a heightened level of vetting. 01:55:43.264 --> 01:55:44.325 What's going to change? 01:55:46.758 --> 01:55:47.159 I don't know. 01:55:47.239 --> 01:55:48.280 There's not enough details. 01:55:48.340 --> 01:55:59.635 But what it looks like is they're targeting all people of Chinese origin who are on international student visas, because he's not limiting it to just people who might have ties to the Chinese Communist Party. 01:55:59.675 --> 01:56:04.942 And if they do have those ties, they don't belong here, especially if they're committing nefarious acts. 01:56:05.362 --> 01:56:13.827 However, this appears to be much broader, and it's terribly misguided, and it appears prejudicial and discriminatory. 01:56:14.348 --> 01:56:29.197 My own father came here on an international student visa, and I believe that these people are vital for our economy and for entrepreneurship in this country, and I think this is going to harm America more than help. 01:56:29.804 --> 01:56:33.891 But you said if someone has ties to the Chinese Communist Party, they shouldn't be here. 01:56:33.991 --> 01:56:41.083 Does that mean all the students who are children of leaders, for example, Xi Jinping's own daughter, shouldn't have been allowed here? 01:56:43.223 --> 01:56:53.792 Well, if they were engaged in nefarious activities, and if they are somehow deeply connected to the CCP, I think that we should be very careful. 01:56:54.212 --> 01:57:06.323 But in this particular case, they're not only going after people who might fall in that category, but it's anybody who is from China, including Hong Kong, by the way, where people are actually persecuted 01:57:06.883 --> 01:57:13.745 for various freedoms they're trying to exercise and who come here seeking to exercise those freedoms. 01:57:13.785 --> 01:57:16.905 So this is a terribly misguided policy. 01:57:17.985 --> 01:57:22.606 The Biden administration did conduct heightened vetting, as you know, of Chinese students. 01:57:22.907 --> 01:57:29.308 Do you think that there is a legitimate argument for expanding this, that certain areas should just be off limits? 01:57:31.621 --> 01:57:39.709 I think that you should definitely have heightened vetting, especially in certain critical areas, because we know- Maybe we should vet all foreign students. 01:57:40.230 --> 01:57:42.152 What about the Indians that come over here? 01:57:43.253 --> 01:57:45.576 Why are we worried so much about the Chinese? 01:57:45.656 --> 01:57:46.296 It's strange. 01:57:47.230 --> 01:57:57.602 that the CCP tries to steal, for instance, intellectual property or worse, but... Do the Indians never steal intellectual property? 01:57:57.642 --> 01:57:58.323 They're real good. 01:57:58.423 --> 01:57:59.645 They're real honest dudes. 01:57:59.865 --> 01:58:00.886 Is that the way that is? 01:58:01.066 --> 01:58:05.512 The way that this is currently structured looks very, very suspicious. 01:58:05.992 --> 01:58:07.073 And you have to remember that 01:58:07.754 --> 01:58:14.877 The people that are cheering for this policy, what Marco Rubio had called for, is the Chinese Communist Party. 01:58:15.057 --> 01:58:15.357 Why? 01:58:15.477 --> 01:58:17.298 Because they want these people back. 01:58:17.578 --> 01:58:23.501 They want the scientists and the entrepreneurs and the engineers who can come and help their economy. 01:58:23.961 --> 01:58:30.844 And so we are probably helping them as well as other countries more than helping ourselves with this policy. 01:58:31.961 --> 01:58:42.926 The Defense Secretary is traveling in Asia right now and he said in a defense forum speech that Beijing is quote Concretely incredibly preparing to use military force. 01:58:43.426 --> 01:58:45.247 He said their military is rehearsing. 01:58:45.547 --> 01:58:56.812 Take a listen Any attempt by Communist China to conquer Taiwan by force Would result in devastating consequences for the Indo-Pacific and the world 01:58:57.125 --> 01:58:58.706 There's no reason to sugarcoat it. 01:58:59.366 --> 01:59:03.029 The threat China poses is real and it could be imminent. 01:59:03.809 --> 01:59:06.431 He did not say what the consequences would be. 01:59:06.571 --> 01:59:10.974 Are you encouraged by what appears to be a statement of support for allies? 01:59:13.450 --> 01:59:13.770 I am. 01:59:13.870 --> 01:59:16.833 I think what he's saying is largely correct. 01:59:17.413 --> 01:59:30.203 But I think the problem is, at the same time he says that, either Donald Trump or even him or others say other things that push away our friends, partners and allies in the region and cause confusion. 01:59:30.703 --> 01:59:35.807 And so we need to be consistent and thoughtful with regard to our statements. 01:59:35.887 --> 01:59:41.712 And we need to be also very methodical about our actions in trying to curb 01:59:42.133 --> 01:59:47.648 military aggression by the Chinese Communist Party in the South China Sea and with regard to Taiwan. 01:59:48.792 --> 01:59:50.833 Since you track U.S. 01:59:50.993 --> 02:00:04.957 intelligence, I wanted to ask you if you have any insight into what appears to be the swarm of Ukrainian drones that has destroyed 40 Russian military aircraft deep inside Russian territory overnight. 02:00:05.677 --> 02:00:12.139 Sources are- He's also an authority on the Russian-Ukraine conflict and the intelligence from it. 02:00:12.899 --> 02:00:34.743 which in my humble opinion makes this a setup like they're setting him up to be an elder statesman with his gray hair he's going to be a senator soon this guy could be a presidential candidate in a couple years this is frighteningly dead on balls accurate for us this is ridiculous if if piper stover spoke in his in his session 02:00:35.128 --> 02:00:39.577 telling our Jennifer Jacobs that the White House wasn't aware that this attack was planned. 02:00:40.518 --> 02:00:42.542 What can you tell us about the level of U.S. 02:00:42.603 --> 02:00:46.751 intelligence sharing with Ukraine right now and helping them with their targets? 02:00:49.646 --> 02:00:54.431 I don't want to get into classified information, but what I can say is that it's a little bit more strange. 02:00:54.471 --> 02:00:56.614 He might not know any classified information. 02:00:56.674 --> 02:01:01.660 If I say I don't want to get into any classified information, does that mean I really know it? 02:01:02.440 --> 02:01:03.522 Same with Robert Malone. 02:01:03.582 --> 02:01:04.683 Some of that's classified. 02:01:04.743 --> 02:01:05.944 I can't really tell you. 02:01:06.966 --> 02:01:08.067 Can that also be a lie? 02:01:08.107 --> 02:01:09.268 Of course it can be a lie. 02:01:10.074 --> 02:01:12.735 in light of what Donald Trump has said recently. 02:01:13.515 --> 02:01:24.939 The one thing that I can also say is that Trump was right the other day to say that Putin is crazy in the way that he's going after civilian areas in Ukraine repeatedly. 02:01:25.759 --> 02:01:27.740 And so the Ukrainians are striking back. 02:01:27.840 --> 02:01:34.822 At the end of the day, the only way that we can bring these hostilities to an end is by strengthening the hand of the Ukrainians. 02:01:35.282 --> 02:01:44.444 Trump should, at this point, realize that Putin is playing him and aid the Ukrainians in their battlefield efforts. 02:01:44.664 --> 02:01:52.386 That's the best way to get to some type of armistice or truce at the negotiating table, sooner rather than later. 02:01:53.046 --> 02:01:53.406 All right. 02:01:54.067 --> 02:01:55.947 Congressman Krishnamoorthi, thank you for your time. 02:01:56.355 --> 02:01:57.836 Unbelievable stuff. 02:01:57.996 --> 02:02:02.698 Scripted bullshit, ladies and gentlemen, and scripted, scripted, scripted bullshit readers. 02:02:03.358 --> 02:02:06.339 That's what all these people are, just scripted bullshit readers. 02:02:06.419 --> 02:02:20.805 And the script is because there are murder and lies that need to be covered up as we are coerced into teaching our children this bad biology evolution because DNA, you're one in a 10 billion population full of useless eaters. 02:02:21.545 --> 02:02:22.165 Nonsense. 02:02:23.006 --> 02:02:24.346 Nonsense, ladies and gentlemen. 02:02:26.647 --> 02:02:27.988 It's been a long, strange trip. 02:02:28.148 --> 02:02:32.072 I don't think I'm going to watch the Jay Bhattacharya video that I had queued up. 02:02:32.232 --> 02:02:35.755 I'm going to wait until tomorrow because it's a long one and it's going to take a lot out of me. 02:02:36.296 --> 02:02:38.137 This is about the bad biology though. 02:02:38.177 --> 02:02:38.778 It really is. 02:02:40.019 --> 02:02:43.302 I can't stress enough how important it is to be aware of that. 02:02:43.702 --> 02:02:48.227 I'm going to play a tune and we're going to watch the beginning of that video and then we'll save the rest of it for tomorrow. 02:02:48.667 --> 02:02:49.688 I'll see you in a few minutes. 02:02:50.388 --> 02:02:51.049 I can't remember. 02:02:51.129 --> 02:02:51.990 Oh yeah, I do remember. 02:03:06.467 --> 02:03:09.370 Many times I tried to tell you. 02:03:10.050 --> 02:03:12.712 Many times I cried alone. 02:03:13.653 --> 02:03:19.078 Always I'm surprised how well you cut my feelings to the bone. 02:03:19.158 --> 02:03:23.501 Don't want to leave you really. 02:03:24.362 --> 02:03:26.584 I've lost too much time. 02:03:26.604 --> 02:03:30.207 To give you up that easy. 02:03:53.355 --> 02:04:20.087 We belong, we belong, we belong together Maybe it's a sign of weakness When I don't know what to say Maybe I just wouldn't know What to do with my strength anyway Have we become a habit? 02:04:21.290 --> 02:04:24.613 Do we disturb the flow? 02:04:24.633 --> 02:04:42.708 Now there's no looking forward Now there's no turning back When you say we belong to the light We belong to the thunder We belong to the sound of the words We've both fallen under 02:05:08.883 --> 02:05:10.664 Try to sleep now. 02:05:10.724 --> 02:05:13.264 Close your eyes and try to dream. 02:05:13.885 --> 02:05:20.407 Clear your mind and do your best to try and watch the ballet gleam. 02:05:21.007 --> 02:05:27.349 We can't begin to know it, how much we really care. 02:05:27.369 --> 02:05:31.370 I hear your voice inside me. 02:05:31.951 --> 02:05:32.871 I see your face. 02:05:43.161 --> 02:05:56.839 The sound of the world and people falling under Whatever we deny or embrace The world's all for better We belong 02:06:26.384 --> 02:06:28.425 Isolate, what was it? 02:06:30.245 --> 02:06:30.925 Of the virus? 02:06:32.506 --> 02:06:34.286 Well you isolate a virus by 02:06:41.084 --> 02:06:43.567 finding the virus which causes a disease. 02:06:44.207 --> 02:06:49.092 You purify a virus by making a lot of, I mean, just by purifying it so you get a pure virus. 02:06:49.653 --> 02:06:51.254 I don't understand what the issue is. 02:06:51.274 --> 02:06:51.414 I see. 02:06:51.434 --> 02:06:52.676 No, it depends on how they use it. 02:07:06.527 --> 02:07:08.491 Well, didn't Dr. Gallo do that? 02:07:08.571 --> 02:07:14.602 I mean, he actually isolated it, so... I mean, why should I do all of this? 02:07:14.682 --> 02:07:16.706 This is all textbook stuff you're asking me. 02:07:22.625 --> 02:07:23.946 Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 02:07:23.986 --> 02:07:24.787 Welcome to the show. 02:07:24.827 --> 02:07:26.188 This is the second half of the show. 02:07:26.248 --> 02:07:30.351 GigaOM Biological is a high resistance, low noise information brief brought to you by a biologist. 02:07:30.391 --> 02:07:31.372 Good to see everybody. 02:07:32.713 --> 02:07:33.493 Welcome to it. 02:07:35.395 --> 02:07:39.378 I do want to remind you that this is funded only by viewers like you. 02:07:39.418 --> 02:07:43.601 If you want to support the stream, please go to GigaOMBiological.com and find a way to do so. 02:07:43.661 --> 02:07:47.284 We are going to become more productive in the coming months, but right now it's still just 02:07:48.024 --> 02:08:04.293 a holding pattern, trying to document and capture and archive the amount of treachery that's currently going on in the American government and the people that have come into contact with me over the last five years who I think are instrumental in putting those people in place to destroy the FDA, to 02:08:04.773 --> 02:08:14.738 weaponize the CDC to effectively undermine any remaining democracy of America and really invert our status to something else. 02:08:14.798 --> 02:08:22.321 It's very striking to me right now how bad it is, but this all has to do with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 02:08:22.361 --> 02:08:23.002 being a puppet 02:08:23.662 --> 02:08:27.403 and the people who are behind him, and we need to identify the people who are behind him. 02:08:27.863 --> 02:08:37.687 I think Robert Malone and Kevin McKernan are good places to start, but I think there's an operator like Steve Bannon as well, who thought maybe he could even get Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 02:08:37.767 --> 02:08:38.107 further 02:08:38.947 --> 02:08:48.355 But there is a malevolent group of people that is interacting with Indians and Chinese and and no Russians as far as I can tell except for maybe Yuri Dagan. 02:08:49.216 --> 02:09:03.047 It's a really weird place that we are where these people exist, where people like Kevin McCairn exist, where people like Andrew Kaufman and Tom Cowan and Mark and Sam Bailey exist. 02:09:03.828 --> 02:09:04.549 These are all 02:09:05.089 --> 02:09:13.177 fraudulent fake people that were put in place to curate a narrative that would make sure that we would never teach our way out. 02:09:13.217 --> 02:09:17.360 We would never teach our children the illusion of pandemics. 02:09:17.440 --> 02:09:19.522 Literally turning into worst case scenario. 02:09:19.562 --> 02:09:27.250 That's why this guy said it was worst case scenario in 2020 with a group of people that included me and a bunch of George Webb associates. 02:09:28.117 --> 02:09:37.579 but also in 2024 when he said the same thing on a stream with Charles Rixey and with Matt Crawford, also Robert Malone associates. 02:09:37.639 --> 02:09:51.163 So you basically have one malevolent team of anti-vax skeptics that has been put in place on the internet, given books before the pandemic so that no useful resistance would ever come together 02:09:51.863 --> 02:09:57.445 to oppose the pandemic, more importantly, to oppose PCR as a diagnostic. 02:09:57.505 --> 02:10:09.549 Because essentially, these people have effectively run out the clock, apparently, on the FDA and the United States government turning back and saying, hey, wait a minute, what happened in 2020? 02:10:11.049 --> 02:10:12.070 And that's by design. 02:10:12.450 --> 02:10:14.511 That's by malevolent design. 02:10:14.571 --> 02:10:20.413 This script, in that sense, was very successful from the very beginning because they're still there now. 02:10:23.336 --> 02:10:28.620 And that's why I think that Brett Weinstein and Heather Haying are a great way to see through it. 02:10:29.200 --> 02:10:39.107 I was connected with them very early by Piper Stover, and I taught them everything that I knew and more, and they went on to ignore it and absorb it and obfuscate it for five years. 02:10:39.668 --> 02:10:50.496 And they are now still grifting as thought leaders, when in reality, they are part of this malevolent governance by social media mythology and by social media performance. 02:10:51.380 --> 02:10:55.363 They deserve the worst kind of treatment if they're in public. 02:10:55.403 --> 02:10:58.585 They deserve to have rotten vegetables thrown at their car. 02:11:00.046 --> 02:11:03.709 They deserve to have rotten vegetables thrown at them when they get out of their car. 02:11:04.470 --> 02:11:09.673 They deserve to have pie, cream pies in their face, like Brett Weinstein. 02:11:09.793 --> 02:11:11.355 All of these people deserve that. 02:11:13.096 --> 02:11:18.120 I think people like Pierre Kory deserve a cream pie in his face. 02:11:19.224 --> 02:11:26.541 I think that somebody like Jessica Rose deserves a pie in her face every time she decides to go public somewhere. 02:11:27.323 --> 02:11:29.448 And I think Robert Malone deserves the same thing. 02:11:35.174 --> 02:11:39.436 So let's see what's going on with- Today, I have a special guest. 02:11:39.456 --> 02:11:43.719 Look, I moved back to the Bay Area so I could talk to smart people at places like UC. 02:11:43.779 --> 02:11:46.000 We are saying that this is scripted bullshit. 02:11:46.040 --> 02:11:48.181 We are saying that these people are on a script. 02:11:48.241 --> 02:11:57.327 We are saying that these people were put in place in order to undermine the authority of the FDA, maybe without having to change a thing or to write a law. 02:11:57.367 --> 02:12:01.189 They would just put people in place to make sure that the FDA never looked back 02:12:01.889 --> 02:12:08.731 and exercised its authority over medical devices and specifically over PCR diagnostics and sequencing. 02:12:09.151 --> 02:12:12.072 This is the malevolent show. 02:12:12.753 --> 02:12:25.157 And if you see the kinds of things that they talk about, the kinds of things that they agree on in this podcast in 2020, you will see why this is a traitorous group of men. 02:12:26.269 --> 02:12:27.490 A traitorous group. 02:12:27.830 --> 02:12:29.552 Yes, in Stanford and in the Bay Area. 02:12:29.792 --> 02:12:31.693 And I was all excited and then COVID hit. 02:12:32.674 --> 02:12:34.215 And it was Zoom, Zoom, Zoom. 02:12:34.295 --> 02:12:35.136 And I hate Zoom. 02:12:35.516 --> 02:12:38.658 So today I have someone I've been wanting to talk to since this pandemic started. 02:12:39.399 --> 02:12:47.525 Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is a Stanford professor of medicine and he has training and specialty in economics. 02:12:47.565 --> 02:12:49.987 Actually tell me Jay, Jay, who are you, man? 02:12:50.496 --> 02:12:54.957 I am going to read the letter from J.E. 02:12:55.158 --> 02:13:01.880 in Connecticut, and Susan in California, and Alexia in Colorado. 02:13:01.900 --> 02:13:08.422 I won't say any more names, but those are the letters that I'm opening up now that Phila just brought back from the P.O. 02:13:08.462 --> 02:13:08.742 Box. 02:13:08.782 --> 02:13:09.262 Thanks guys. 02:13:10.397 --> 02:13:12.899 Well, okay, so... Not in a metaphysical sense. 02:13:12.939 --> 02:13:13.439 Exactly. 02:13:13.519 --> 02:13:16.622 So, I am a professor of medicine as you said at Stanford University. 02:13:16.642 --> 02:13:19.685 I've been at Stanford on the faculty for about 20 years. 02:13:19.705 --> 02:13:24.329 I have an MD and a PhD in economics and I study health policy and health economics. 02:13:24.429 --> 02:13:29.973 I've been working on infectious disease economics and epidemiology for 20 some years now. 02:13:30.954 --> 02:13:34.396 So the reason I wanted to have you on the show was what you just said. 02:13:34.796 --> 02:13:46.802 You have the MD, Stanford trained, and a PhD in economics, which means you can see in a way that many frontline healthcare people, including public health people, aren't able to see the bigger picture. 02:13:46.842 --> 02:13:50.704 Now, you came to prominence during the pandemic. 02:13:51.004 --> 02:13:54.606 I'm a hippocampus expert in the brain, or at least I was. 02:13:54.646 --> 02:13:56.987 And the hippocampus is, of course, seahorse. 02:13:57.567 --> 02:13:58.808 So a lot of times people, 02:13:59.508 --> 02:14:02.958 who study the hippocampus will open their talk with a seahorse. 02:14:04.121 --> 02:14:05.907 I don't know if you knew that or not, but it's a nice card. 02:14:08.466 --> 02:14:13.908 as one of the co-authors of the Stanford seroprevalence study, which raised all kinds of interesting. 02:14:13.928 --> 02:14:19.749 I mean, tell me about that experience because I was talking about your piece early on saying, hey, this is true. 02:14:20.610 --> 02:14:27.511 The actual infection fatality rate of this disease is actually much lower than we thought. 02:14:27.571 --> 02:14:31.993 It's still higher than flu, but it's not as high as they've been saying in China. 02:14:32.013 --> 02:14:33.273 I mean, what was that experience like? 02:14:33.693 --> 02:14:34.554 I mean, that was incredible. 02:14:35.154 --> 02:14:39.137 Just an amazing, in some ways dispiriting, but also exciting experience. 02:14:39.157 --> 02:14:41.479 So, can I go back just a little bit? 02:14:41.599 --> 02:14:42.179 Absolutely. 02:14:42.219 --> 02:14:47.723 So, what got me into it was I had done some work during the H1N1 flu epidemic in 2009. 02:14:48.203 --> 02:14:49.484 I remember that one. 02:14:49.784 --> 02:14:51.385 I mean, it was a big deal at the time, right? 02:14:51.585 --> 02:15:02.473 But luckily it didn't turn out to be as bad as COVID, but it was, especially at the beginning, people were really, really panicked over the high fatality rates, the case fatality rates that were coming up out of all around the world. 02:15:02.933 --> 02:15:08.495 I remember, I was a practicing hospitalist at Stanford and everybody was like, we're all going to die. 02:15:08.575 --> 02:15:10.215 It was a kind of a catastrophization. 02:15:10.696 --> 02:15:14.037 Yeah, no, it's actually in the early days, there was a good reason. 02:15:14.057 --> 02:15:17.878 There were these case fatality rates that looked like, you know, Ebola. 02:15:17.938 --> 02:15:19.058 I mean, it just looked terrible. 02:15:20.579 --> 02:15:30.422 In the months that followed, what happened was people did seroprevalence studies and found that there were many times more cases of infections than there had been cases. 02:15:31.764 --> 02:15:40.428 in H1N1 and the infection fatality rate, which turned out to be about a hundred times less than the initial case fatality rates in the H1N1 case. 02:15:40.709 --> 02:15:49.293 So let me- Oh, so, you know, originally we thought it was really deadly, but once we started testing the background, we found out that lots more people had it. 02:15:49.873 --> 02:15:52.455 And so then it makes the case fatality rate go down. 02:15:52.555 --> 02:15:56.477 So again, once we get the numbers, we can make proper decisions. 02:15:57.017 --> 02:15:57.777 Stop lying! 02:15:58.578 --> 02:15:58.898 Stop! 02:16:00.140 --> 02:16:19.328 remember that this guy named Jay Bhattacharya was on my stream years from now and deferred to me as a biologist repeatedly because he didn't understand any of this but in this podcast with this bald jackass he's a biologist in an economy he's a polymath and he's got an answer for everything 02:16:21.263 --> 02:16:24.164 Let me reiterate that for people who don't understand some of that terminology. 02:16:24.204 --> 02:16:34.067 So case fatality rate is when someone is actually tested for a disease, presents to care, and is diagnosed with the disease, and then how many people die out of that group. 02:16:35.187 --> 02:16:44.230 Infection fatality rate is, well, of all the infections that exist, including ones that we weren't able to openly diagnose, what's the rate of fatality in that group? 02:16:44.350 --> 02:16:47.471 And it was 100X different in H1N1. 02:16:49.331 --> 02:16:53.433 And so this got you interested then when COVID came around, I imagine. 02:16:53.634 --> 02:16:55.495 It looked like a repeat to me, right? 02:16:55.555 --> 02:16:59.757 So it looked like the people were finding enormously high case fatality rates. 02:16:59.797 --> 02:17:01.618 I think like World Health Organization said 3.4%. 02:17:01.658 --> 02:17:11.363 There was a piece published in JAMA in February that said, you know, Journal of American Medical Association, we're gonna be eating sardines and it's gonna be cheap and you're gonna like it. 02:17:12.504 --> 02:17:14.045 Nice article, that's awesome. 02:17:14.105 --> 02:17:14.705 Association that said 2.2%. 02:17:17.509 --> 02:17:18.169 And these are terrible numbers. 02:17:18.189 --> 02:17:19.730 These are horrifying numbers. 02:17:19.750 --> 02:17:28.532 These are the kind of numbers that would cause you to lock down the entire planet instantly because you're gonna lose that percentage of your population if everybody gets infected. 02:17:28.592 --> 02:17:29.872 Millions and millions of people dead. 02:17:30.072 --> 02:17:34.433 Lock down the population and millions of people dead. 02:17:34.494 --> 02:17:36.314 Sounds kind of like Kevin McCarran. 02:17:36.734 --> 02:17:37.094 Cool. 02:17:37.634 --> 02:17:38.194 Right. 02:17:38.335 --> 02:17:40.115 If that number is, in the United States alone. 02:17:40.295 --> 02:17:41.135 Alone, right. 02:17:41.295 --> 02:17:42.376 If the number is right. 02:17:44.016 --> 02:17:45.297 But that was what happened at H1N1. 02:17:45.317 --> 02:17:49.039 I thought, okay, well, do we really know how many people actually have it? 02:17:49.659 --> 02:17:53.782 And at the same time, we're worried about how much testing resources we had. 02:17:54.102 --> 02:17:56.323 Remember, there was a shortage of tests. 02:17:56.363 --> 02:18:02.747 So we're holding onto the test to look at people who actually have serious disease, which is what you ought to do from a clinical perspective. 02:18:03.387 --> 02:18:10.952 But then from an epidemiological perspective, can you extrapolate that to say, okay, the population at large is going to, 3% of us are all going to die if we get it. 02:18:12.633 --> 02:18:14.114 And we don't know the answer to that. 02:18:14.775 --> 02:18:16.937 So that's what led to the Stanford seroprevalence study. 02:18:17.097 --> 02:18:17.718 Yeah, yeah. 02:18:17.918 --> 02:18:19.519 And the other seroprevalence studies I've worked on. 02:18:19.559 --> 02:18:23.183 So it was this- So he's worked on several seroprevalence studies. 02:18:23.243 --> 02:18:26.586 And the whole idea was to get the case vitality numbers right. 02:18:27.527 --> 02:18:29.008 I don't know what to say, Alexia. 02:18:29.969 --> 02:18:31.551 And I don't know what to say, Susan. 02:18:33.593 --> 02:18:35.054 Other than I'm never gonna stop. 02:18:35.575 --> 02:18:36.736 And I'm only gonna get better. 02:18:37.879 --> 02:18:40.340 And the biology that I teach is only going to get better. 02:18:40.500 --> 02:18:42.941 And there's only going to be less of this, not more. 02:18:43.542 --> 02:18:46.903 But right now, this is work we have to do. 02:18:47.344 --> 02:18:52.366 These are people we need to expose and histories we need to archive. 02:18:52.586 --> 02:19:00.250 But as soon as this show lets up just a little bit, as soon as I can get just a little grasp on how awful it is, 02:19:01.110 --> 02:19:07.295 I will be back to teaching biology and I can't thank you enough for this support. 02:19:08.356 --> 02:19:11.699 Three letters in the P.O. 02:19:11.739 --> 02:19:21.608 box from three Americans is already almost enough to get the wind back in my... I mean, I don't even know what to say. 02:19:23.749 --> 02:19:25.829 Thank you very much, that's all I can really say. 02:19:25.849 --> 02:19:28.570 There's this hypothesis, like how many people actually have it? 02:19:28.610 --> 02:19:29.950 How deadly actually is it? 02:19:30.310 --> 02:19:31.551 And so how did you do this study? 02:19:31.591 --> 02:19:40.152 Because there was a ton of controversy around the methods and the actual sensitivity, specificity of the assay that you use and all that. 02:19:40.212 --> 02:19:42.873 Yeah, so that was a lot of like confusion around that, right? 02:19:42.893 --> 02:19:48.894 So we wanted to do a study that could be done very, very quickly, put in the field very, very quickly. 02:19:49.694 --> 02:19:57.016 At the time of the study, the FDA had approved for use some of these, they're called lateral flow assays. 02:19:57.036 --> 02:19:59.177 They look like pregnancy tests, like little pregnancy kits. 02:19:59.217 --> 02:20:02.998 Lateral flow assays that were produced in China. 02:20:03.738 --> 02:20:07.679 Lateral flow assays are how they defined the pandemic also in the UK. 02:20:08.919 --> 02:20:14.041 Lateral flow assays are about multiple antibodies specific for something. 02:20:16.041 --> 02:20:23.327 Lateral flow assays are based on patent technology that is now considered obsolete and not biologically relevant. 02:20:24.608 --> 02:20:27.990 Lateral flow tests, he doesn't know how they work. 02:20:28.451 --> 02:20:29.752 He didn't design it. 02:20:31.673 --> 02:20:34.055 He just ordered one and used it. 02:20:37.197 --> 02:20:40.280 This is a very malevolent actor put in place 02:20:43.191 --> 02:20:51.020 You can almost see the whole pandemic as being an Indian intelligence operation in cooperation with some very traitorous Americans. 02:20:51.161 --> 02:20:52.622 And it wouldn't be that far off. 02:20:53.063 --> 02:20:56.307 It's definitely not a bunch of Chinese people or a bunch of Russians. 02:20:57.008 --> 02:21:01.453 I certainly don't see any, a bunch of Ukrainian biolab scientists all running around now. 02:21:03.124 --> 02:21:08.087 So, and the one we used had pretty good error properties. 02:21:08.187 --> 02:21:09.688 You know, every medical test has errors. 02:21:09.828 --> 02:21:12.750 I mean, there's just not a... And you can't avoid that. 02:21:12.810 --> 02:21:19.034 That's just the nature of... We don't have a tricorder that can automatically tell you exactly what's wrong with you, right? 02:21:19.054 --> 02:21:22.156 We need to look at the numbers and interpret them. 02:21:23.337 --> 02:21:34.649 At the time, the FDA had put together a, you know, had approved for use these little lateral flow assay tests, including the one we used, for sale, but they hadn't approved them for general use in the population. 02:21:35.731 --> 02:21:35.871 Right? 02:21:36.371 --> 02:21:39.473 We use them for research purposes, but not for clinical purposes. 02:21:40.653 --> 02:21:41.353 So we use one of those. 02:21:41.473 --> 02:21:42.454 The reason it was very simple. 02:21:44.134 --> 02:21:46.435 There are two kinds of tests to do antibody testing. 02:21:46.455 --> 02:21:48.576 There's these ELISA tests, which are pretty accurate. 02:21:50.037 --> 02:21:51.357 And then these lateral fluorescence. 02:21:51.377 --> 02:21:53.118 For the ELISA, you have to draw venous blood. 02:21:53.238 --> 02:21:56.259 So I just got a text message from plus 63. 02:21:56.359 --> 02:21:57.820 Where is plus 63? 02:21:58.640 --> 02:21:59.901 This is really remarkable. 02:22:00.021 --> 02:22:01.201 So plus 63, country code 63. 02:22:08.948 --> 02:22:09.588 Philippines. 02:22:09.648 --> 02:22:30.177 So I got a Philippine, a call from the Philippines that says that I have a outstanding traffic ticket with the Pennsylvania State and I should go to a www, no, no, it's not a www.pa.gov, it's pa.gov slash jkaw.win. 02:22:30.917 --> 02:22:31.617 Wow. 02:22:32.278 --> 02:22:33.638 That's incredible. 02:22:34.338 --> 02:22:35.179 Holy shit. 02:22:35.933 --> 02:22:36.936 That's pretty funny. 02:22:38.359 --> 02:22:39.462 Well done, dorks. 02:22:40.825 --> 02:22:41.567 Anyway, here we go. 02:22:42.249 --> 02:22:42.990 Back to the show. 02:22:44.036 --> 02:22:52.962 But it's really hard in the middle of a pandemic to go out and find, you know, can I draw venous blood from you, a big vial of it, or I can just do a little finger stick. 02:22:53.903 --> 02:22:58.286 The nice thing about epidemiologic work is you can correct for the errors, which is what we did. 02:22:59.286 --> 02:23:07.192 Now, actually, I've run three seroprevalence studies, one in Santa Clara County, one in LA County, and one with Major League Baseball. 02:23:09.273 --> 02:23:10.733 Did you get to meet a lot of baseball players? 02:23:10.754 --> 02:23:23.137 I got to meet a lot of the, no baseball players, but I met, I mean, it was sort of- They sent Jay Bhattacharya to a owner's meeting to convince people that testing was appropriate. 02:23:25.518 --> 02:23:27.098 See what's happening here. 02:23:27.158 --> 02:23:37.601 He acted as a national security agent and went and helped to bamboozle a bunch of baseball owners about things that he's not an expert in. 02:23:39.432 --> 02:23:43.598 I got to be in a meeting with all the owners, it was just fantastic. 02:23:43.838 --> 02:23:48.644 I had to contain myself when I met the Yankees owner, but that's another thing. 02:23:48.724 --> 02:23:57.815 So I ran three different studies and the interesting thing about the studies was we used very different methods to try to disseminate them. 02:23:58.436 --> 02:24:00.337 So the Santa Clara study was the first one. 02:24:01.598 --> 02:24:08.462 It was a big study, 2,000 some people in the Bay Area, actually in Santa Clara County. 02:24:09.382 --> 02:24:12.984 We wrote the study very quickly and we released it through an open science process. 02:24:13.004 --> 02:24:13.765 Like a pre-print. 02:24:13.865 --> 02:24:14.985 A pre-print, right, exactly. 02:24:15.025 --> 02:24:18.427 So now the traditional path involves sending it to a journal. 02:24:18.627 --> 02:24:22.709 The journal then sends it to three anonymous reviewers. 02:24:23.050 --> 02:24:27.132 No one will hear about it except me, and that's how I spend my life dealing with this. 02:24:27.372 --> 02:24:29.173 three anonymous reviewers, all of whom always hate me. 02:24:31.914 --> 02:24:34.075 So you're not used to the whole planet hating you at once. 02:24:34.115 --> 02:24:35.475 Yeah, no, that was interesting. 02:24:35.495 --> 02:24:38.937 So we sent it and I got 10,000 peer reviews in one day. 02:24:38.957 --> 02:24:40.137 Oh my gosh. 02:24:40.457 --> 02:24:43.178 And it was, I mean, you know what, actually it was kind of interesting, exciting. 02:24:43.198 --> 02:24:44.319 I learned a lot, right? 02:24:44.479 --> 02:24:53.102 So we'd made a, what I would characterize as a relatively minor error in standard error calculation, which we corrected within a week. 02:24:53.322 --> 02:24:53.542 Right. 02:24:54.042 --> 02:24:54.843 And you know, 02:24:55.683 --> 02:25:01.687 But making an error allowed there to be a little fuss on social media about how he doesn't know what he's talking about. 02:25:01.727 --> 02:25:04.768 And don't underestimate the orchestration of that either. 02:25:05.889 --> 02:25:08.450 He can say, oh, we made a little error and we corrected it right away. 02:25:08.511 --> 02:25:11.052 But at the time, that was part of the little fuel. 02:25:11.552 --> 02:25:19.677 The day after this was released, Charles Rixey did a post about it on Prometheus Shrugged. 02:25:20.217 --> 02:25:24.340 And Tim Poole talked about this shit on his podcast. 02:25:25.145 --> 02:25:25.287 So. 02:25:26.277 --> 02:25:28.658 Don't mess around here, this is serious. 02:25:29.218 --> 02:25:31.619 The number that we got was absolutely stunning. 02:25:31.959 --> 02:25:37.201 What we found was that the disease was 50 times more prevalent than people thought based on just the case numbers. 02:25:37.221 --> 02:25:41.363 So people thought in Santa Clara County, there were a thousand cases as of April 3rd, I think it was. 02:25:41.743 --> 02:25:47.305 Remember what he said in his introduction, maybe I missed it already because I was reading the mail. 02:25:47.786 --> 02:25:55.669 But in his introduction, if I recall correctly, he says that he worked on flu before this, he worked on Ebola, and he worked on HIV. 02:25:56.469 --> 02:26:06.452 So he's done the epidemiology of previously orchestrated mythologies before and contributed to them under the banner of Obama's administration. 02:26:06.512 --> 02:26:09.694 This is a Democratic operative. 02:26:11.314 --> 02:26:18.116 Just like Donald Trump is just a Democratic operative who's playing the same role that he's playing a role for Hillary Clinton. 02:26:18.136 --> 02:26:19.957 Now Hillary Clinton doesn't have to do anything. 02:26:22.803 --> 02:26:29.587 But in fact, based on the study, you could tell 50,000 people had had some antibody evidence of it at the same time. 02:26:29.867 --> 02:26:34.929 Right, which would correspond to an infection fatality rate at that time of what? 02:26:35.009 --> 02:26:35.570 About 2 in 1,000. 02:26:35.630 --> 02:26:38.131 So that means out of 1,000 people who got the infection, 998 survived. 02:26:38.171 --> 02:26:39.912 So 0.2% fatality, so double what we think the mortality is. 02:26:46.755 --> 02:26:47.055 for flu. 02:26:47.075 --> 02:26:49.996 Yeah, although I'm not 100% sure I know what the flu, I know that. 02:26:50.016 --> 02:26:56.359 So it was still double than what flu is, but he's not sure what flu mortality is, but he worked on flu before the pandemic. 02:26:56.419 --> 02:26:59.000 So I don't really understand why he's playing dumb here. 02:26:59.260 --> 02:27:01.540 The evidence is unclear. 02:27:01.620 --> 02:27:06.362 No one's done the same kind of infection fatality rate numbers that they've done for COVID, they've done with the flu. 02:27:06.542 --> 02:27:09.243 So in many ways, we're comparing apples to oranges when we're comparing flu. 02:27:09.263 --> 02:27:12.144 Yeah, so let's come back to that flu comparison, because it is interesting and important. 02:27:12.164 --> 02:27:13.585 But I think the key thing is, 02:27:15.279 --> 02:27:17.923 How much would you change your life for a 200,000 risk? 02:27:19.905 --> 02:27:21.387 And there's a couple other things we learned. 02:27:21.667 --> 02:27:27.635 So one is that the- So the risk is real and if it was different, it would kill a lot more people. 02:27:27.735 --> 02:27:30.719 But right now we estimate that it's not gonna kill that many people. 02:27:30.779 --> 02:27:31.941 So what would you risk? 02:27:33.462 --> 02:27:35.424 And now you see the malevolence of the trap. 02:27:35.584 --> 02:27:37.487 They all accept the novel virus. 02:27:38.147 --> 02:27:40.290 If you're older, it's much higher. 02:27:40.310 --> 02:27:42.652 It's probably much worse than the flu, actually, if you're older. 02:27:42.872 --> 02:27:43.773 Order of magnitude. 02:27:43.814 --> 02:27:44.715 Yeah. 02:27:44.755 --> 02:27:54.686 So if you're over 70 versus if you're, let's say you're under 15 or under 10, it's on the order of a thousand to one difference in mortality probability. 02:27:56.579 --> 02:28:14.912 My guess is that supplementary oxygen is just as dangerous to old people relative to young people, and that old people are more likely to develop ARDS earlier, maybe even with lower concentrations or application level of supplementary oxygen. 02:28:15.432 --> 02:28:16.253 Figure that one out. 02:28:17.202 --> 02:28:21.923 Flu is much more deadly if you're older, if you're over 65, let's say 65 or 70. 02:28:23.104 --> 02:28:26.644 And if you're under- The flu or COVID you were talking about? 02:28:26.664 --> 02:28:26.885 I'm sorry. 02:28:28.265 --> 02:28:32.126 Oops, that should... What happened there? 02:28:35.587 --> 02:28:36.047 What is this? 02:28:39.168 --> 02:28:39.788 That should work. 02:28:41.608 --> 02:28:42.108 Oh, there we go. 02:28:42.729 --> 02:28:43.669 But it's now crashing. 02:28:47.725 --> 02:28:49.049 I'm just going to start it over again. 02:28:49.149 --> 02:28:49.811 Sorry about that. 02:28:51.175 --> 02:28:52.176 and we'll just fast forward it. 02:28:52.196 --> 02:28:54.557 Hey everyone, Dr. Z. Welcome to the ZDoggMD show. 02:28:54.577 --> 02:28:56.318 Today I have a special guest. 02:28:56.338 --> 02:28:56.478 Look. 02:28:56.578 --> 02:28:56.998 Exactly. 02:28:57.058 --> 02:29:00.440 So now the traditional path involves sending it to a journal. 02:29:00.660 --> 02:29:06.963 The journal then sends it to three, there's just not a, but there's, and you can't avoid that. 02:29:07.023 --> 02:29:10.965 That's just the nature of, we don't have a tricorder that can automatically tell you. 02:29:11.646 --> 02:29:13.427 It's, what it is, is a few things. 02:29:13.967 --> 02:29:17.829 One is the set of people that are getting infected are less vulnerable to it. 02:29:18.129 --> 02:29:18.970 They tend to be younger. 02:29:19.930 --> 02:29:21.831 And so they just don't die at high rates from it. 02:29:22.192 --> 02:29:24.814 The second, we were better at managing, better at treating it. 02:29:25.394 --> 02:29:25.534 Right? 02:29:25.614 --> 02:29:27.215 So the- Dexamethasone. 02:29:27.515 --> 02:29:27.896 Exactly. 02:29:27.956 --> 02:29:28.936 Not intubating everyone. 02:29:29.037 --> 02:29:31.258 Not killing people with ventilators, right? 02:29:31.298 --> 02:29:33.360 I mean, that seems like a really good idea. 02:29:33.440 --> 02:29:33.580 Yeah. 02:29:35.841 --> 02:29:38.563 Not killing people with ventilators, ha ha ha. 02:29:38.643 --> 02:29:55.275 Dexamethasone was described on a podcast by Robert Malone with Paul Cuttrell as a hammer for the immune system and a way for them to clear out ICUs of old people and send them back to care homes where they could die of pneumonia. 02:29:56.724 --> 02:30:14.604 So it's a weird thing for them to mention dexamethasone when about, I don't know, six months or a year later in August, Robert Malone's going to joke about dexamethasone as a hammer for the immune system in a way that they got the fatality rate to go up in old people in New York. 02:30:15.444 --> 02:30:16.205 Crazy, huh? 02:30:16.825 --> 02:30:18.106 They all know the script. 02:30:18.466 --> 02:30:20.528 It's almost like the same guy's writing it. 02:30:21.468 --> 02:30:24.931 Which by the way, wasn't clear in the beginning at all. 02:30:25.011 --> 02:30:28.293 So not to disparage people who are intubating everyone, but we just didn't know. 02:30:28.414 --> 02:30:33.377 Yeah, no, look, I have a lot of sympathy and people were really brave going in when we don't know the numbers. 02:30:33.798 --> 02:30:35.319 I honor that, absolutely. 02:30:36.600 --> 02:30:38.621 But it is absolutely the case. 02:30:38.641 --> 02:30:42.724 We've learned a lot about how to treat the disease and we're much better at managing it than once were. 02:30:44.125 --> 02:30:46.046 I think that kind of news ought to get out more. 02:30:46.086 --> 02:30:50.749 We learned to treat the disease is such a lie. 02:30:51.830 --> 02:30:59.534 And of course, it has to do with also ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and the proper pressure in the ventilators and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 02:30:59.974 --> 02:31:03.676 This is all a lie because it presumed that there was something to learn. 02:31:05.477 --> 02:31:09.760 It presumes that there was something to learn instead of something to unlearn. 02:31:11.639 --> 02:31:13.240 That seems like an important fact. 02:31:13.380 --> 02:31:17.401 Our understanding of the disease shouldn't be frozen in amber in March. 02:31:17.561 --> 02:31:21.063 So you're preaching to the choir because I just did a video on this on the cases up, deaths down. 02:31:21.763 --> 02:31:31.207 I actually think that there is a lot of catastrophization and misunderstanding and there's been a polarity that I've not seen in science ever. 02:31:32.087 --> 02:31:33.728 And it shouldn't be, it should be looking. 02:31:35.305 --> 02:31:38.506 I am gonna say that we have a big problem on our hands. 02:31:38.586 --> 02:31:40.867 Oh, I think I left the pause button in there. 02:31:40.947 --> 02:31:41.708 That's what this is. 02:31:41.968 --> 02:31:42.688 I see it now. 02:31:43.308 --> 02:31:46.729 I have to remove that and then this would work, right? 02:31:46.769 --> 02:31:48.150 Because then this will just play. 02:31:48.610 --> 02:31:50.111 But I'm not gonna watch this one anymore. 02:31:51.111 --> 02:32:13.303 Because I need to go to the gym and everyone dr. Z welcome to the show Hey, I have a special guest look I move back it is scripted bullshit but it's really important to see how scripted it is and what they talk about because It will reveal without us beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was scripted from the beginning and that's the reason why he bumped into me a couple times at barbecues, but 02:32:13.883 --> 02:32:21.927 did deferred to me all the time as the biologist and eventually just resorted to telling me to shut up about Robert Malone because that's who's behind him. 02:32:21.987 --> 02:32:23.548 That's who's providing the script. 02:32:24.349 --> 02:32:27.630 And these people are on a script provided by Robert Malone. 02:32:27.650 --> 02:32:32.033 I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that Marty McCary is too. 02:32:32.113 --> 02:32:33.994 It's all is that this RNA exists. 02:32:34.214 --> 02:32:35.114 You can capture it. 02:32:35.174 --> 02:32:36.035 You can sequence it. 02:32:36.095 --> 02:32:38.296 You can move it to other cells and recapitulate disease. 02:32:38.356 --> 02:32:39.317 It's all one script. 02:32:39.357 --> 02:32:40.838 They're all on the same script. 02:32:40.898 --> 02:32:51.105 The Human Genome Project is the script and they want you to blame the bad guys like, you know, Gavi and J&J and Pfizer when it's much bigger than that. 02:32:51.626 --> 02:32:55.008 It's so big that they had to kill somebody like Brandy Vaughn. 02:32:55.048 --> 02:32:59.452 It's so big that they had to convince Brian Hooker to use the word autism even though he didn't. 02:32:59.992 --> 02:33:07.434 It's so big that they had to have somebody like Andrew Wakefield and Pauly Tommy come over to the United States and recycle their show. 02:33:07.854 --> 02:33:22.457 It's so big that they needed a lot of platforms to divide people on and they've rolled out even more platforms to divide people on because it's so big they need us to teach this bad biology to our children. 02:33:22.817 --> 02:33:25.037 It's so big they can't do it themselves. 02:33:25.497 --> 02:33:28.218 We have to accept endemicity. 02:33:28.278 --> 02:33:29.398 We have to accept 02:33:29.898 --> 02:33:31.123 public health as an answer. 02:33:31.163 --> 02:33:35.640 We have to accept virology as a science or this whole thing falls apart. 02:33:36.832 --> 02:33:43.756 For all the marbles, that's why there is a fake anti-vax movement that has captured America and the rest of the Western world. 02:33:44.177 --> 02:33:51.181 They've done it by turning an irreducibly complex background into something spreading with non-specific PCR tests. 02:33:51.241 --> 02:33:53.142 Ladies and gentlemen, RNA cannot do that. 02:33:53.923 --> 02:33:58.546 If you use PCR to find their ghosts, the ghosts don't become real. 02:33:59.026 --> 02:34:00.347 You just become dumb. 02:34:01.047 --> 02:34:04.628 Ladies and gentlemen, please share this stream as far as you can. 02:34:05.008 --> 02:34:06.029 We'll be on all week. 02:34:06.569 --> 02:34:12.231 Usually I'm going to try and start at 10.10, but it's looking like 11.11 is more like it, but 10.10 is my target. 02:34:12.591 --> 02:34:15.252 Harney cannot pandemic intramuscular injection is dumb. 02:34:15.312 --> 02:34:22.475 Transfecting healthy people was always a crime and the population pyramids are a problem that you need to understand in order to see how they did this. 02:34:23.669 --> 02:34:27.112 why it was a biological opportunity that just need to be lied about. 02:34:27.653 --> 02:34:28.874 Thanks very much for being here. 02:34:28.894 --> 02:34:30.755 I love you all very much. 02:34:30.795 --> 02:34:33.558 From everything I've read is that this RNA exists. 02:34:33.798 --> 02:34:34.679 You can capture it. 02:34:34.739 --> 02:34:35.600 You can sequence it. 02:34:35.660 --> 02:34:40.985 You can move it to other cells and recapitulate disease. 02:34:41.005 --> 02:34:42.586 We will not call autism. 02:34:42.706 --> 02:34:44.227 I don't like the word autism. 02:34:44.868 --> 02:34:46.109 Um, he was actually damaged. 02:34:46.529 --> 02:34:47.050 He was neuro. 02:34:50.935 --> 02:34:51.936 1111 works for you. 02:34:51.976 --> 02:34:52.657 It works for me. 02:34:52.697 --> 02:34:57.581 I just I'm gonna pull the trigger when I'm ready to go and a lot of times I just need an extra hour. 02:34:57.661 --> 02:34:59.703 So We'll just keep it there. 02:34:59.823 --> 02:35:01.084 Thank you very much for being here. 02:35:01.164 --> 02:35:09.551 Thank you very much to David to Susan and to Alexia an incredible amount of generosity in those three envelopes. 02:35:09.731 --> 02:35:19.319 Thank you very much I assure you my family will will use it very wisely You're putting sandwiches on the table, thank you very much. 02:35:19.339 --> 02:35:19.439 Yeah