WEBVTT 00:07.895 --> 00:08.443 Buzzer. 02:06.192 --> 02:08.514 Oh, look, JC on the bike was timed out by Risa. 02:08.774 --> 02:10.375 Oh, timeout JC on the bike. 02:11.436 --> 02:12.317 JC on the bike. 02:13.157 --> 02:14.298 It's JC on the bike. 02:15.139 --> 02:17.320 It's JC on the bike, yeah. 02:17.981 --> 02:24.105 Well, I'm wise enough to know when a chump needs banning, and I know just the one. 02:25.031 --> 02:27.354 Look it round, it's JC on the bike. 02:27.955 --> 02:30.098 Who says Vader didn't study music in college? 02:32.642 --> 02:41.114 So what I argued, and I believe I came up with this independently, but I believe Peter McCullough has mentioned something similar, as has Jonathan Cooey. 02:43.690 --> 02:50.455 If you think about it, you know, if we're defining vaccine really liberally, and these COVID vaccines are vaccines, the flu vaccine is vaccine, okay. 02:50.875 --> 02:53.918 But actually, they're kind of cheating when they're calling these things vaccines. 02:53.998 --> 03:03.445 And, you know, anything with really rapidly fading efficacy, such that you need shots within a year, you know, Canada's saying nine months, is as actually J.J. 03:03.465 --> 03:10.050 Cooey's insistence, and I think he's right, on calling them transfections rather than vaccines. 03:13.689 --> 03:16.771 So SARS-1 and its descendants have gone endemic. 03:16.791 --> 03:17.772 That's what I was just saying. 03:17.812 --> 03:21.154 The current PCR test is not specific for SARS-CoV-2. 03:22.034 --> 03:26.397 And that is known because it's the German company that originally produced it knows that. 03:26.437 --> 03:29.058 They've chosen a short sequence that they think is relevant. 03:29.519 --> 03:34.281 It is a short sequence that just comes from one of the open reading frame one proteins. 03:34.942 --> 03:37.583 We are being duped by a nonspecific test. 03:38.524 --> 03:43.407 And we would have gotten these numbers or numbers very similar to them with or without this pandemic. 03:44.189 --> 03:49.131 Because we've never looked for SARS viruses as they are spread through our population. 03:49.151 --> 03:50.131 We've just never looked. 03:50.972 --> 03:52.892 Nobody sampled for it until this year. 03:54.013 --> 03:55.693 That's a huge point to make. 03:56.574 --> 04:01.256 Because the SARS virus originally appeared in 2003 and disappeared in 2004. 04:02.016 --> 04:04.857 But it didn't really disappear, it just became not a problem. 04:06.209 --> 04:14.552 descendants of that virus of various virulence and infectivity have circulated in the time since. 04:14.652 --> 04:15.712 They didn't disappear. 04:17.733 --> 04:20.574 And this test is not specific for any one of them. 04:21.394 --> 04:30.037 And no one has ever done a study about how many descendants there are, how many people are infected, how many animals have been infected by it, etc. 04:33.218 --> 04:33.378 So 04:33.988 --> 04:57.971 The next thing that I want to say is our lack of biological knowledge and the general poor health of America, of the American people, is being used to create the crisis they need to divide and conquer us, to ruin maybe America, I don't know, crash the dollar, I don't know, steal the rest of what limited treasury value we have left, I don't know, but I know for sure 04:58.359 --> 05:15.824 that they are combining our lack of biological knowledge and our general society's lack of good health and access to health care to create a crisis to usher in all kinds of changes that would otherwise never be necessary and more importantly never be possible. 05:15.844 --> 05:19.365 Follow the rules. 05:19.385 --> 05:20.446 Protect yourself at all times. 05:20.966 --> 05:22.846 Follow my instructions. 05:22.886 --> 05:23.827 Keep it clean. 05:23.847 --> 05:24.827 Touch gloves if you wish. 05:24.867 --> 05:25.227 Let's do it. 05:26.437 --> 05:36.045 sweaty palms this is so crazy like goosebumps this is so crazy i feel so nervous like what in the world man 06:00.546 --> 06:02.489 He's scheduled for 60 minutes next. 06:03.570 --> 06:08.337 He's going on French, British, Italian, Japanese television. 06:09.739 --> 06:11.682 People everywhere are starting to listen to him. 06:13.064 --> 06:13.805 It's embarrassing. 07:06.695 --> 07:10.958 So I am gonna try and mix up the beginning a little bit. 07:10.998 --> 07:16.762 I'm not always gonna do that elaborate beginning with a new song and listen and DJ and stuff like that because 07:17.822 --> 07:25.708 Um, well, I don't, I think we should save that for the shows where I'm trying to make some kind of summary, um, and differentiate from them. 07:26.169 --> 07:30.252 Um, the last couple of times, the one that's titled, uh, pause the program. 07:31.195 --> 07:56.064 I think is one of the better sort of cracks at the fence I've ever taken because it really summarizes how this was an international kind of operation where media messaging across the globe was weaponized primarily against America, but of course, against the rest of the Five Eyes countries in order to turn them against America, make fun of America, belittle America. 07:57.084 --> 07:58.025 blame America. 07:58.205 --> 08:01.347 And so that operation is ongoing. 08:01.387 --> 08:16.235 And I think a lot of the collaborators in that operation are essentially the same people that are now masquerading as the leaders of the dissident movement in America and their followers and those people that they have bamboozled into following them. 08:16.915 --> 08:26.582 even though in reality they are actors on the same stage that Tony Fauci, Peter Daszak, Ralph Baric, all of these people are on. 08:26.643 --> 08:41.254 Today, for a study hall, I wanted to watch a video of David Baltimore from only a couple years ago, but in order to process this video correctly, I think it's really important for me to give a good enough introduction to it 08:42.934 --> 08:47.736 First of all, just to mention the CrowdStrike Microsoft blue screen problem. 08:48.497 --> 08:53.599 It turns out that this could be a very big deal for some parts of our infrastructure. 08:54.639 --> 09:03.363 I just happened to need to go to PennDOT, which is Pennsylvania's Department of Transportation for some standard renewal kinds of things. 09:04.143 --> 09:08.825 And unfortunately, they couldn't take credit cards, at least that's what they thought. 09:09.705 --> 09:19.535 And so I went back home to get some checks and then I came back and then there was a sign on the door saying their computer system was blue screened and they weren't going to be able to do anything today. 09:20.096 --> 09:23.579 And when I went in to talk to them, they seemed pretty naive as to what was going on. 09:23.599 --> 09:26.842 They're just, we're all kind of standing around and the whole place was empty. 09:28.404 --> 09:36.774 And so this turns out to be something related to at least a majority of it seems to be related to this CrowdStrike antivirus software. 09:36.834 --> 09:40.158 The crazy part about it is, is because of the 09:41.383 --> 09:44.705 Access that this program has when you use it as an antivirus software. 09:44.725 --> 09:49.467 It's I guess at the kernel level Which means that the update that they pushed? 09:50.708 --> 10:00.953 Pushed something into a place of your Microsoft computer that that Microsoft can't push a fix for as I understand so what it may require is 10:01.693 --> 10:09.715 is for every individual machine that uses this CrowdStrike software to need to be rebooted in safe mode. 10:10.195 --> 10:13.916 And then you have to go and manually delete this SYS file. 10:14.696 --> 10:27.919 If that's the case, then some of these companies and some of these corporations that use this on their encrypted servers and this kind of thing could really be in a load of trouble, at least from the perspective of if that's a, 10:28.519 --> 10:39.681 a five minute, a 10 minute operation on a standard computer, then that's a lot of manual stuff that your typical junior analyst might need a little, you know, reminder on how to do. 10:39.781 --> 10:53.963 So that's an interesting development that happened today that you should be aware of that has resulted in, for example, maybe I'm stupid for saying this, but I can't text my family right now, they're out of the country. 10:54.203 --> 10:57.904 And when I text, there's no message of delivered and I can't call. 10:59.305 --> 11:02.587 And so I've heard that there's airlines disrupted from this. 11:02.647 --> 11:13.853 Those airlines, it's very easy for me to imagine that their infrastructure is far from ideal and that their tech and IT infrastructure is far from ideal. 11:14.294 --> 11:22.198 And so there could be lots of little nodes, for example, that people aren't even aware of that, oh my gosh, how do I access that node and fix that one? 11:23.459 --> 11:24.259 I have no idea. 11:24.299 --> 11:26.700 I'm not an IT guy, but I do have friends who are. 11:28.540 --> 11:35.461 And so I know as going through it this morning, I mean, I was in line at the DMV outside, you know, chatting with people and stuff. 11:35.642 --> 11:36.782 I tried to get there early. 11:37.242 --> 11:47.904 And so when it happened, it already, in retrospect, I could see that the DMV people themselves didn't understand what was going on when they came out and said, we're having some system trouble right now. 11:47.964 --> 11:51.905 So maybe we can't take credit cards, but if you have your checkbook, we can do that. 11:52.907 --> 11:57.130 So as this develops, I guess I would just say pay attention. 11:58.291 --> 12:00.733 I don't know how many retailers are affected by this. 12:01.833 --> 12:06.817 I don't know how that's going to go for airlines and travel and how long that will back things up. 12:08.138 --> 12:10.219 But it's something to at least keep on your radar. 12:11.730 --> 12:16.812 if there was gonna be some kind of Klaus Schwab cyber collapse. 12:17.672 --> 12:24.114 It's at least in the realm of possibility that it's something like this that would, you know, let's say start it. 12:25.194 --> 12:28.656 I'm getting a message from somebody who I know needs to travel in the next couple of days. 12:30.076 --> 12:32.397 He says he's only on, it got a 15 minute delay. 12:32.457 --> 12:34.918 So somebody I know who is flying. 12:34.998 --> 12:38.499 So maybe I'm just being a little crazy here and nevermind that. 12:39.804 --> 12:46.867 So I want to get right away to the first subject of the day on the study hall, which is Li Min Yan. 12:46.887 --> 12:58.111 Now Li Min Yan is somebody that I actually met very early on in the pandemic, not in person, but because she or her handlers contacted me and asked if I would like to interview her. 12:58.151 --> 13:05.474 And then that interview went south really quick because the audio of her was echoey and 13:06.394 --> 13:06.894 I don't know. 13:06.914 --> 13:16.440 I could never figure out if it was my setup, because I had never happened again, or if it was their using some person to stream her to me. 13:17.401 --> 13:27.347 But it very much felt like her handler was this billionaire guy, and it kind of felt like I talked to him, but I don't even remember anymore for sure who I talked to before she came on the line. 13:27.407 --> 13:28.487 But there was some echo. 13:29.028 --> 13:35.592 It wrecked the interview, but it sure made me convinced that I was intimately involved in something very scary. 13:36.152 --> 13:39.776 and very exciting and a lot of cloak and dagger happening. 13:40.717 --> 13:43.440 And so I got sucked in also by Li Min Yan. 13:44.301 --> 13:48.706 And Li Min Yan, of course, you know, appeared many, many times on the Steve Bannon show. 13:49.247 --> 13:52.150 And so I thought it would be interesting to watch that now. 13:53.581 --> 13:57.465 I want to bring in now Dr. Li-Ming Yan, formerly from Hong Kong University. 13:57.565 --> 14:08.196 Dr. Yan, thank you so much for joining us in the War Room, and thank you for all the efforts you've done to expose to the American people, to the Chinese people, and to people throughout the world exactly what went on 14:09.057 --> 14:13.700 in Wuhan and with the Chinese Communist Party overall in their handling of this. 14:14.680 --> 14:28.008 First question we have to ask you, how does it feel now that more and more people are starting to realize this was a lab-enhanced virus that came out of the Wuhan lab and that everything that you've been telling people since you got here is actually true? 14:28.028 --> 14:33.470 How does it feel now that the establishment is having to kowtow to Dr. Yang? 14:33.490 --> 14:34.111 How does it feel, ma'am? 14:35.356 --> 14:36.317 Good morning, sir. 14:36.377 --> 14:37.317 Thank you for having me. 14:37.717 --> 14:51.606 So I want to tell people, yeah, I'm happy to say that things got changed and also more and more facts are verified and people realize it come from the lab, it come from Wuhan, it come from Chinese Communist Party. 14:53.087 --> 14:57.229 Now, she comes from Wuhan, it comes from the Chinese Communist Party. 14:57.369 --> 15:00.771 Everybody's finally realizing, I believe this video is from September 2020. 15:03.153 --> 15:11.699 And I know a friend of mine has been using newspapers.com to try and figure out when she started to appear in the media. 15:12.299 --> 15:20.845 And he's already seen an interesting signal around May or April in Canada, at least, which I think he can better explain than me. 15:20.925 --> 15:21.646 But essentially, 15:23.166 --> 15:28.747 Her appearance is around the time when a lot of these other people started to stream a lot, started to do the rounds. 15:29.527 --> 15:36.349 Even Kevin McKernan started to sort of make his rounds on small and large podcasts in April of 2020. 15:38.189 --> 15:45.651 So Dr. Yan actually says in this video, and I will start it at the beginning again, that she started speaking out in January of 2020. 15:46.831 --> 15:50.112 And so that will be admitted in a second here. 15:50.132 --> 15:51.512 Let me just move it back. 15:52.072 --> 15:53.334 and then started again. 15:53.354 --> 16:08.610 So much for joining us in the War Room and thank you for all the efforts you've done to expose to the American people, to the Chinese people, and to people throughout the world exactly what went on in Wuhan and with the Chinese Communist Party overall in their handling of this. 16:09.571 --> 16:12.314 First question we have to ask you, how does it feel now 16:13.836 --> 16:19.700 Soothspider says that her accent is Mandarin and not Cantonese despite coming from Hong Kong. 16:19.780 --> 16:22.302 I assume that Hong Kong should have a Cantonese accent. 16:23.543 --> 16:27.947 Also remember Soothspider, it might be interesting if you have that kind of insight, 16:28.607 --> 16:42.620 for you to take a look at the phone call video where Paul Cottrell gets a phone call supposedly from, I think it's Taiwan, but it might've been Hong Kong, where Remdesivir is the only thing that's working. 16:43.320 --> 16:46.003 And we never really identified who that whistleblower was. 16:46.403 --> 16:51.107 It would be very interesting if comparing voices, you thought maybe it was Li Min Yan. 16:52.268 --> 16:54.931 Anyway, let me play this again or keep this going. 16:55.472 --> 17:04.863 More and more people are starting to realize this was a lab-enhanced virus that came out of the Wuhan lab, and that everything that you've been telling people since you got here is actually true. 17:04.883 --> 17:10.330 How does it feel now that the establishment is having to kowtow to Dr. Yang? 17:10.350 --> 17:10.971 How does it feel, ma'am? 17:12.213 --> 17:13.094 Good morning sir. 17:13.274 --> 17:14.215 Thank you for having me. 17:14.595 --> 17:16.336 So I want to help you. 17:16.536 --> 17:19.118 Yeah I'm happy to say that things get changed. 17:19.419 --> 17:24.883 And also more and more facts are verified and people realize it comes from the lab. 17:24.963 --> 17:26.064 It comes from Wuhan. 17:26.124 --> 17:28.486 It comes from Chinese Communist Party. 17:28.846 --> 17:30.147 And I know it will happen. 17:30.647 --> 17:32.249 And that is the truth. 17:32.309 --> 17:33.129 That is a fact. 17:33.229 --> 17:36.152 I keep telling people that no lies are perfect. 17:36.552 --> 17:40.735 And this is finally can be verified by independent sources. 17:41.176 --> 17:45.099 That's why I dare to tell it from the last January. 17:45.399 --> 17:48.522 That's why I dare to come to you as tell it in front of 17:49.402 --> 17:54.727 the whole world because I know what they have done and they know what they have done. 17:54.987 --> 18:02.593 And they also know they will get punished one day, but they just try to deny and try to get void of the punishment. 18:02.873 --> 18:06.276 That's interesting because she says that she knew it would happen. 18:06.336 --> 18:08.698 Now, of course, she's not a native English speaker. 18:08.718 --> 18:18.206 I don't know if she really means that she knew it would happen already a long time ago, like throughout her career, like when she was, you know, working before the pandemic. 18:18.906 --> 18:24.828 Or if she means, you know, since the start of the pandemic, she knew that this would eventually happen. 18:24.868 --> 18:28.809 It sounds like she kind of always knew that a lab was eventually going to leak. 18:29.369 --> 18:30.870 Labs aren't perfect, she says. 18:30.930 --> 18:33.310 I know she's very hard to understand, but I can understand her. 18:34.771 --> 18:37.012 So if you need any, you know, I can translate. 18:38.112 --> 18:38.552 Oh, darn. 18:40.473 --> 18:41.393 That's not what I wanted. 18:43.297 --> 18:52.327 But I want to also emphasize that without the great effort and help and support from the heroes like you, sir. 18:52.607 --> 18:57.092 So she's going to say here, without the help of the heroes and people like you, sir, 18:57.853 --> 19:10.220 So that's very hard to hear because the R's don't come out very well, but she's going to now try to compliment all the people on our side who have come to her aid and help her get this message out. 19:10.361 --> 19:12.522 All the media outlets that have helped her. 19:12.542 --> 19:15.784 This is a very interesting part of this video. 19:16.289 --> 19:41.108 also emphasize that without the great effort and help and support from the heroes like you sir, like war room people, but I want to also emphasize that without the great effort and help and support from the heroes like you sir, like war room people, and like the National Pulse, and also like Dr. Navarro, like Tucker Carlson, all these people, I mean 19:41.368 --> 19:44.831 Dr. Navarro and Tucker Carlson. 19:44.851 --> 19:47.334 So that's another couple that he mentioned. 19:47.394 --> 19:52.559 So she was probably on videos with Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro. 19:52.999 --> 19:55.501 Maybe she was on with Peter Navarro. 19:55.601 --> 19:56.022 I don't know. 19:56.082 --> 20:00.826 But it's interesting to mention him because Peter Navarro was in the 20:01.886 --> 20:25.442 the little meetings that happened around remdesivir and hydroxychloroquine and whether or not to give them EUAs and how to give them EUAs that Janet Woodcock, Rick Bright, Jared Kushner, Peter Navarro, Little Circle, it's interesting that now she's mentioning him on Bannon's program. 20:25.916 --> 20:44.683 I cannot name all of them, but without all this kind of help, apart from the heroes like Yuser, like war room people, and like the National Pulse, and also like Dr. Navarro, like Tucker Carlson, all these people, I mean I cannot name all of them, but without all this kind of help, 20:45.023 --> 20:55.292 the truth cannot be exposed so fast, because the Chinese Communist Party is a big regime, and they know how to manipulate people and information. 20:55.652 --> 21:05.841 So the thing is, I'm happy to say that it's in good progress, and I know that we will reach the day to hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable very soon. 21:07.645 --> 21:10.326 Dr. Yan, by the way, you're beloved by this audience. 21:10.386 --> 21:12.667 I want all the audience to get to our social media later. 21:12.707 --> 21:13.888 You're beloved by this audience. 21:13.908 --> 21:15.349 They were so glad to see you. 21:15.369 --> 21:16.369 No, that's not what she said. 21:16.389 --> 21:18.450 Get rid of the punishment. 21:19.291 --> 21:32.537 But I want to also emphasize that without the great effort and help and support from the heroes like you, sir, like war room people and like the National Pulse and also like Dr. Navarro, like 21:32.857 --> 21:35.638 It's hard to hear it, but she says the truth cannot be exposed so fast. 21:54.437 --> 21:57.619 Yeah, oh my gosh, I'm not reading the chat. 21:57.739 --> 21:59.520 I'm not not reading the chat. 21:59.820 --> 22:03.742 ...regime, and they know how to manipulate people and information. 22:04.102 --> 22:14.308 So the thing is, I'm happy to say that it's in a good progress, and I know that we will, I mean, reach the day to hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable very soon. 22:16.089 --> 22:18.771 Dr. Yan, by the way, you're beloved by this audience. 22:20.232 --> 22:33.921 Now, one thing you might notice here, which I find interesting when I look back on that smile, is that this does not appear to be a person who is actively trying to avoid assassination by the Chinese Communist Party. 22:34.421 --> 22:44.088 Now, I come from Pittsburgh, and early on in the pandemic, somebody by the name of Bing Lu was killed, like right down the street or up the street from me. 22:44.128 --> 22:45.529 And I know it sounds crazy. 22:46.189 --> 23:05.227 now that right up the street from me supposedly lived this this shooter um of Donald Trump in in Butler Pennsylvania last weekend like really a walk from my house but we moved houses two and a half years ago from a house that we were trying to buy and actually lost during the pandemic because of my 23:05.905 --> 23:06.946 My job being ended. 23:07.386 --> 23:22.759 And from that house was a very short drive to where this Bing Lu was shot, supposedly by another Chinese national who was dating or cheating or his girlfriend was cheating with or something like that. 23:23.319 --> 23:30.645 It was a lover's quarrel where this guy died, but he happened to be working on a small protein inhibitor of something. 23:33.274 --> 23:44.496 And so it's a very interesting story that goes along with Li Min Yan, because Li Min Yan is supposedly whistleblowing on more or less her own country. 23:44.816 --> 23:57.799 And it was very much hyped that she was being protected and kept in an undisclosed location so that she couldn't be wiped out, you know, couldn't be erased, if you will. 23:58.464 --> 24:00.329 And so it's very interesting. 24:00.490 --> 24:03.538 It doesn't seem like she's under any duress right now. 24:03.618 --> 24:05.323 She's very, very happy. 24:06.277 --> 24:31.417 to social media later you're beloved by this audience they were so but glad to see on tucker carlson again last night so glad sees retractions there's a lot of talk in washington i want to give the audience inside baseball there's a lot of talk in washington you get jim jordan and and senator ran paul hammering fauci but there's a lot of talk in washington that did that actually to try to force to have hearings and have you as one of the major witnesses i just want to make sure 24:32.498 --> 24:36.081 hearings came up on Capitol Hill and they were done in a fair manner. 24:36.161 --> 24:47.410 Would you be open to testifying in front of a committee about the source of this virus and everything you know as a fact witness of what happened in late December of 2019 and in January of 2020? 24:47.450 --> 24:48.972 Would you commit to that? 24:54.085 --> 24:55.906 Oh, I'm very happy to do so. 24:56.107 --> 25:08.495 And actually, I hope they can do it as a live broadcast so people can watch it and they can see how people provide evidence, no matter from my side or from the other side. 25:08.796 --> 25:12.518 And people can see who is lying and who really have some evidence. 25:12.779 --> 25:14.680 We should have done it before, too. 25:16.281 --> 25:16.761 Wow. 25:16.901 --> 25:22.926 So we should have a live broadcast so we can see who has evidence and who doesn't, who's lying and who isn't. 25:24.246 --> 25:29.490 And so it sure seems like to me that solving the mystery of the origin of this virus is paramount. 25:31.171 --> 25:40.859 And in 2020, it sure seems like to me that there were a lot of these people that were very vested in making sure that we were invested in solving that mystery. 25:40.939 --> 25:47.364 Now, it's curious what my friend Mark found with, I don't think a lot of work, 25:48.444 --> 25:58.487 It's not to say that he doesn't know what he's doing, and he doesn't have good places to look, and he isn't a very skilled archiver, but I guess he's going to say the same thing in this video. 25:58.507 --> 26:07.449 Oh yeah, first of all, I want to back up a little bit and point out that one of the things, if you want to see how this machine works, 26:08.409 --> 26:27.535 Pay close attention to the comments under rumble videos and the comments under YouTube videos because there is another place where Scrolling gives them the ability to if they want to to create an illusion of consensus underneath every video They don't need to do it for motorcycles 26:28.407 --> 26:30.868 They don't need to do it for small engine repair. 26:30.908 --> 26:33.790 They don't need to do it for used car reviews. 26:34.591 --> 26:45.397 But if they wanted to do it for public health topics, if they wanted to do it for public health experts or political pundits, they could definitely do it. 26:45.777 --> 26:50.540 Here's an example where the first comment on Rumble, three years old, is she is a lion. 26:51.688 --> 26:54.770 Ooh, she's a lion. 26:54.890 --> 26:55.590 Great. 26:55.610 --> 26:56.210 I don't know. 26:56.330 --> 26:56.910 I have nothing. 26:56.930 --> 26:57.531 I have nothing. 26:57.591 --> 26:58.151 I know nothing. 26:58.211 --> 27:01.272 Maybe she's from, maybe she's from Venice then. 27:03.493 --> 27:08.015 So she is an NIH funded universal flu vaccine scientist. 27:10.697 --> 27:13.378 I didn't know that when I was put in contact with her. 27:13.418 --> 27:18.000 I just was told she was a virologist from Hong Kong and a whistleblower. 27:19.926 --> 27:29.811 Her primary and principal investigator, the one that she was working with before the pandemic, is named, last name of Kuhn or Poon. 27:30.512 --> 27:31.952 Poon is his last name. 27:32.473 --> 27:33.773 He was on the Lancet letter. 27:37.195 --> 27:39.817 And her history is never questioned. 27:39.897 --> 27:41.778 It's just, she's a whistleblower. 27:41.818 --> 27:42.718 She's a hero. 27:43.599 --> 27:46.000 She's beloved by this audience, he says. 27:47.469 --> 27:55.900 But we're not making clear that if she was who she says she was, then she should fear for her life from both sides of the Pacific Ocean, right? 27:55.940 --> 28:03.631 She should be afraid of the NIH people that she was just recently presenting with before the pandemic. 28:04.421 --> 28:23.207 and she should be also worried about the Chinese Communist Party wanting to assassinate her when she goes to Starbucks I just wanted to record it just for the purposes of showing people that we are not messing around anymore 28:24.653 --> 28:39.285 The backstory here is Li Mengyang, this Chinese scientist who was so upset about this background signal she saw or whatever, this evidence of coronavirus and leaking out of the laboratory in 2020. 28:39.766 --> 28:47.272 And how, of course, the most likely thing to do is to is to contact the Steve Bannon network, which was happy to. 28:47.592 --> 28:48.093 I also. 28:48.800 --> 28:51.621 I also remember hearing that she left her family behind. 28:51.681 --> 28:53.382 I do remember that very well. 28:53.462 --> 28:53.942 Very good. 28:54.142 --> 28:56.964 Give her a flight to Los Angeles, supposedly in 2020. 28:57.804 --> 29:03.767 And she was able to get on the news and talk about how dangerous it was and cleavage sites and probably all kinds of crap like that. 29:04.367 --> 29:08.309 But anyways, it was considered to be super conspiratorial to give her any airtime. 29:08.349 --> 29:09.789 So, of course, people wanted to watch it. 29:10.610 --> 29:12.651 And I have some questions about her backstory. 29:13.471 --> 29:17.393 And it makes me wonder, does anyone else actually do research about this stuff? 29:17.413 --> 29:18.053 Does anyone? 29:19.500 --> 29:36.855 So what we have is her presenting in 2018, this is while she is listed here anyways, with the University of Hong Kong, combined use of live attenuated and inactivated influenza vaccines to enhance heterosubtypic protection. 29:37.996 --> 29:42.380 And you will be shocked at how this goes. 29:43.621 --> 29:45.542 It's only a 15-minute presentation. 29:46.602 --> 29:48.103 This is her presenting at the end. 29:48.123 --> 29:51.265 So that's definitely, I mean, I'm pretty sure that's definitely her. 29:51.325 --> 29:54.126 Again, the part is on that particular site. 29:54.766 --> 30:02.550 This was recorded during the Keystone Symposium Conference on framing the response to emerging virus infections. 30:03.431 --> 30:07.613 It's amazing that it was an emerging virus that gave her an opportunity to become so popular. 30:08.533 --> 30:12.275 What's truly incredible about this presentation 30:13.663 --> 30:15.703 Don't have any coffee in your mouth, because you'd be shocked. 30:16.564 --> 30:24.925 The best protection against a lethal challenge of heterologous influenza vaccines is a combination of activated and inactivated vaccines. 30:25.765 --> 30:33.667 But we need further research, which will focus on developing alternative vaccine strategies for universal protection. 30:35.167 --> 30:41.048 It's amazing that she also has the foresight that what we need is a universal flu vaccine 30:42.259 --> 30:44.320 above and beyond just recombinant DNA. 30:44.420 --> 30:48.663 It's almost as if she's saying we need an mRNA or a DNA vaccine. 30:49.744 --> 30:51.405 Wow, who would have thunk it? 30:52.846 --> 31:01.312 But I'm not familiar with this event that she's presenting at here, with this virtual Keystone Symposia, which is really just a platform to record these things. 31:02.092 --> 31:04.093 It says that it's October 14th or 18th. 31:05.945 --> 31:08.486 This event, I guess, took place in Hong Kong. 31:09.447 --> 31:18.711 So if I create an account and if I do some searching on here, if I search search 2018, it'll show content sorted. 31:19.812 --> 31:25.515 And let's see, on November 9th, 2018, we see that she's presenting. 31:25.555 --> 31:29.677 This is the combined use of live, attenuated, inactivated influenza vaccines. 31:30.897 --> 31:38.386 Let's see, two events before, actually afterwards, on January 28th, we have preparing for the next pandemic, emerging infectious disease threat. 31:39.407 --> 31:40.168 Unbelievable! 31:40.669 --> 31:45.795 This platform is also giving a place for Mary and Koopmans of the Erasmus Lab. 31:47.000 --> 31:47.680 And One Health. 31:48.401 --> 31:53.084 Now, of course, this is a online platform used for sharing videos. 31:53.384 --> 31:56.486 It does not mean that they were sitting side by side. 31:56.606 --> 31:57.726 Please, I understand that. 31:58.547 --> 32:05.951 But this platform chooses, let's see here, Li Menyang, Marion Koopmans, Scott Weaver. 32:06.311 --> 32:08.052 He's done a lot of work with Robert Malone. 32:08.593 --> 32:10.714 You bet your bottoms he has. 32:11.134 --> 32:11.955 What else we got here? 32:12.475 --> 32:13.876 Oh, Kizmekia Corbett. 32:15.265 --> 32:15.666 isn't 32:34.153 --> 32:48.147 In fact, I think at the same presentation that Lee Min Yang presented at, Kizmekia Corbett of the NIH and NIAID working for Fauci also presented at. 32:49.569 --> 32:56.716 Lee Min Yang, well, she's just some outsider, innocent little student, just was so overwhelmed with concern. 32:58.356 --> 33:01.759 Because if you look at this platform, oh my goodness, who's after that? 33:02.039 --> 33:03.160 Janet Woodcock. 33:03.820 --> 33:04.841 Are you kidding me? 33:04.861 --> 33:08.444 Of course, again, it's a different event. 33:09.225 --> 33:12.087 But this is the people who this platform supports. 33:12.887 --> 33:14.128 Janet Woodcock again. 33:15.089 --> 33:17.671 Oh my goodness, Hugh Rosen of the Scripps Institute. 33:19.012 --> 33:21.694 Oh my goodness, Patrick Soon-Shiong. 33:23.416 --> 33:25.697 The guy who bought the Wimber Laboratory. 33:26.278 --> 33:27.659 Ha ha ha ha ha. 33:28.510 --> 33:33.055 The Wimber Laboratory that has something to do with what George Webb says is what Nazi art in mountains. 33:33.636 --> 33:36.339 Nothing to do with the high-speed link. 33:37.501 --> 33:41.465 Of course, the Internet2 organization was connected with Bob Gallo. 33:42.475 --> 34:00.124 between Walter Reed and Winbur that was set up by Robert Malone and his wife, Jill Glasper Malone, 2000-2001, which would have been really handy if Walter Reed was collecting a whole lot of cancer data or breast cancer data, and it would have been particularly valuable if cancer rates were expected to go up in the U.S. 34:00.164 --> 34:01.204 military because the U.S. 34:01.245 --> 34:07.548 military would have been, I don't know, maybe picked to take an experimental anthrax or smallpox vaccine. 34:08.248 --> 34:19.258 because of an unexpected major biological terrorism event in New York City in the fall of 2001, which I have like a stack of books all predicting. 34:21.360 --> 34:26.084 In other words, Li Menyang is just part of the show, everyone. 34:27.405 --> 34:28.466 Just part of the show. 34:29.741 --> 34:34.484 And the fact that this Chinese billionaire on the run, whatever, is the person that found her. 34:34.504 --> 34:42.449 And you know, I've researched him before, and he's also connected in with that super popular, like the Oprah Winfrey of China. 34:43.330 --> 34:46.612 I've talked about her before, and she also with the Columbia and so on. 34:47.092 --> 34:48.653 I have a whole series of shows on that. 34:48.813 --> 34:49.874 It's all fake. 34:52.556 --> 34:55.758 It's fake, fake, fake, fake, fake. 34:57.042 --> 34:58.743 The narrative is crumbling. 34:58.783 --> 35:03.307 The tree is tipping, and I'm ready to order a stump grinder at this point. 35:03.407 --> 35:05.169 This show is over, everyone. 35:05.429 --> 35:06.690 It was all fake. 35:09.953 --> 35:22.484 And I just can't help but think of how many more people would be alive today if people weren't lying about the gain-of-function virus, lying about it. 35:23.612 --> 35:26.914 causing a drug epidemic to go unresolved. 35:27.695 --> 35:33.539 Lying about the gain-of-function virus so that people continue to take injections they didn't need. 35:34.220 --> 35:36.021 Lying about the virus. 35:36.881 --> 35:41.224 So hospitals were getting away with murder with high-flow oxygen. 35:42.085 --> 35:42.665 Lying. 35:42.685 --> 35:47.989 Because Mechia Corbett, Li Menyang, fall, November 2018. 35:53.976 --> 36:04.963 Now, I'm not sure how to really summarize that any better than to say that there's Grampy. 36:05.183 --> 36:12.728 It really means something important about who these people are and what they've done to us and our families. 36:13.988 --> 36:17.611 It means something very, very important when we say charlatan. 36:18.536 --> 36:29.825 when we realize that likely Steve Bannon and Giuliani, who are in a photograph with her, with that Chinese billionaire in the background in a mirror, 36:31.385 --> 36:50.199 If we see this for what it is, there is a connected group of people behind the scenes that has orchestrated the shepherding of this narrative, the shepherding of these different disparate groups of Americans and made sure that they never came together on the narrative, made sure that 36:50.859 --> 37:14.717 the Scooby-Doo mystery that needed solving would drive a further wedge in between the American public and each other so that these communities would be severed even as they directed our attention to imaginary communities on the internet and imaginary illusions of consensus on the internet that included Steve Bannon and Lee Mignet. 37:16.161 --> 37:20.082 This is an extraordinary finding, great work by Mark. 37:20.142 --> 37:38.825 It's too bad that none of these other people that have suggested that it was China or suggested that it was bad guys that have released something on us, never really did any research to find out that Li Min Yan could have easily been coordinating with Tony Fauci and NIH and whoever else in the U.S. 37:38.885 --> 37:44.906 government wanted this to happen and wanted to blame it on China by coming on American media and blaming it on China. 37:45.306 --> 37:52.112 But none of them were ever able to look into her and find out who she was so that they could show that America is obviously to blame. 37:52.152 --> 37:53.713 And here's another puppet they used. 37:57.446 --> 38:25.209 And yes, I admit that I also wasn't able to do it, but it was the illusion of consensus created by all of these people who didn't ask any questions on their big podcasts, never asks any questions because they had to stay focused on VAERS, never asked any questions because they had to stay focused on the PCR details of the PCR space, never asked any questions about Li Min Yan because he knew already that she worked for them. 38:25.629 --> 38:26.230 It had to be. 38:27.366 --> 38:30.829 How can it be any other way with given Mark's seven minute video there? 38:33.811 --> 38:38.355 And how can we be here now when they were joking about having her give a testimony? 38:38.375 --> 38:40.637 Why wasn't she testifying right here? 38:41.077 --> 38:42.879 Did she risk life and limb for nothing? 38:44.120 --> 38:46.842 Did the Communist Party of China finally catch up to her? 38:46.882 --> 38:48.043 What happened to Li Min Yan? 38:51.172 --> 38:56.857 How come she didn't get a Congressional Medal of Honor or whatever it is they give foreigners when they do stuff for the United States? 38:56.897 --> 38:57.918 What's going on here? 38:59.239 --> 39:00.520 How did we forget about her? 39:00.620 --> 39:06.846 And when we look back to 2020 and find her and realize that, oh my gosh, she's not a whistleblower. 39:08.748 --> 39:15.554 She might even be the voice that called Paul Cuttrell from somewhere to say that Remdesivir was working over there. 39:17.745 --> 39:23.889 just like she might very well be the lady that we saw in the, in the Meadow Biota video. 39:23.929 --> 39:27.272 But if she's not the lady that we saw in the Meadow Biota video, what does it matter? 39:27.312 --> 39:31.935 Because she's the, she's definitely the lady that we just saw in Mark's video. 39:36.516 --> 39:44.463 This is collapsing now, and what I want to keep pushing on the tree in the right direction, I want to first have a little bit of fun here. 39:44.483 --> 39:53.892 I'm not going to put the sound on, but just realize what you're watching right now is me study hauling Joe, study hauling me, study haul myself, which is kind of a 39:54.873 --> 39:57.435 sixth wall or seventh wall kind of thing. 39:58.195 --> 40:13.385 And so we might be witnessing a sort of inception moment here with the crowdsource, CrowdStrike, whatever it's called, blue screening event, along with the fact that I am able to study haul, Joe's study hauling myself, study all myself, which is 40:14.305 --> 40:20.048 something that would never happen if it wasn't for the internet and how it's been weaponized against us. 40:20.488 --> 40:21.369 Shout out to Joe. 40:22.249 --> 40:28.392 He had a really good show that at the very, very end, he listens to a little bit of the review of the Gabe Mason interview. 40:28.932 --> 40:30.673 And so thanks a lot for that shout out, Joe. 40:31.494 --> 40:33.916 And that's the Liberty Perspective on Rumble. 40:34.516 --> 40:50.391 So I want to just start with the idea again and remind you that what these people have done is they have groomed our understanding over these years in a very rapid way with a very rapid application of these techniques. 40:51.280 --> 41:06.981 where groups of fake people are creating a lollapalooza of liars that it doesn't matter what stage you choose to listen to, the lab leak stage or the natural virus stage or the, I don't know, deattenuating 41:08.904 --> 41:16.615 virus stage or the flying aid stage whichever one you listen to in the end the presuppositions of the state are always reinforced by their music. 41:17.236 --> 41:22.644 Now I just want to go back in time a little while so that you can see how far we've come in the last 41:23.705 --> 41:31.309 10 to 15 years because it's way farther than most of us imagine because of the intense trauma that was the COVID panic. 41:32.369 --> 41:39.072 This is a former NIH head by the name of Bernadine Healy talking, I believe, in around 2008. 41:39.912 --> 41:44.855 It might be just a hair bit earlier or a hair bit after 2008. 41:44.895 --> 41:45.115 Oh, darn it. 41:55.928 --> 41:57.511 It's Joe Marshall is his name. 41:57.571 --> 42:00.756 Joe Marshall of the Liberty Perspective on Rumble. 42:01.397 --> 42:01.998 Sorry about that. 42:05.982 --> 42:10.104 Well, I think the 2020 vision is just where we should be going. 42:10.664 --> 42:19.409 I think it's concise, I think it's dramatic, and it'll save a lot of lives and improve quality of life for women and for men. 42:20.649 --> 42:24.531 You know, it really is quite thrilling to see this kind of continuity. 42:24.591 --> 42:30.514 So often in science we tend to look at study, one study and another study, and get confused about the two. 42:30.914 --> 42:34.556 Here, we're seeing an approach which is very integrated. 42:34.596 --> 42:52.843 It doesn't mean there aren't differences of opinions or interpretation, but it does dramatically mean that we have, through this incredible base of science, that it's continued to be based on the issue of men and women. 42:53.363 --> 42:58.584 And men have been brought into it, as inevitably they did the first 20 years, maybe were catch-up. 42:58.944 --> 43:08.127 We had to demonstrate that there were differences between men and women, and there were consequential differences that affect morbidity and mortality. 43:08.627 --> 43:09.527 That has been shown. 43:10.367 --> 43:13.048 We've seen how to save lives because of it. 43:13.448 --> 43:16.589 And now we move into the second phase, taking advantage of 43:17.049 --> 43:31.715 the interdisciplinary work, the multidisciplinary work, and moving out into issues like social determinants, the ecological so-called issues that really have never been addressed in any major clinical trial. 43:31.815 --> 43:36.757 So I think that women's health has led the way, not just for women's health, 43:37.617 --> 43:42.919 but also for all of medicine in terms of taking this holistic approach. 43:43.559 --> 43:48.942 I'll tell you, years ago, I used to use the word holistic, and people wrinkled their nose. 43:49.042 --> 43:50.642 It was kind of a new age. 43:51.083 --> 43:54.284 It was seen as sort of something new age to talk about holistic. 43:54.864 --> 43:59.686 Now I'm actually hearing from basic scientists that we have to look holistically. 43:59.746 --> 44:09.030 We have to integrate what goes on within the cell, what goes on within the organism, what goes on in the public health environment, in the social environment. 44:10.070 --> 44:15.253 And that is truly exciting to see this culture change. 44:15.853 --> 44:20.775 And you have to have a culture change if you're going to affect any lasting change. 44:22.423 --> 44:24.684 Now, why is that interesting to me? 44:24.744 --> 44:30.987 I want some people in the chat to... I don't know why this is continuing. 44:32.748 --> 44:33.368 Oh, it's just there. 44:34.089 --> 44:43.093 I want some people in the chat to hear, and you can rewind it later, to hear if that's actually a different set of enchantments. 44:43.273 --> 44:45.534 It's a different set of spells being cast. 44:45.574 --> 44:47.475 It's a different stage of the enchantment. 44:48.015 --> 44:50.877 And so it almost sounds like she's not really saying anything. 44:51.653 --> 44:59.135 the holistic approach and integrating across fields and interdisciplinary and men and women. 45:00.990 --> 45:04.573 And so the whole enchantment there was completely different. 45:05.274 --> 45:09.338 The spells that were being cast at that time were incredibly different. 45:09.378 --> 45:14.402 And if you can see how different they are, then you can see exactly what they're doing to us. 45:14.462 --> 45:21.188 Because this is not grassroots or spontaneous evolving of our understanding of ourselves. 45:21.609 --> 45:23.270 This is a forced move. 45:24.150 --> 45:32.176 by those people who have control over these conscious and intelligent manipulation of our organized habits and opinions of the masses. 45:32.236 --> 45:32.596 You see? 45:34.177 --> 45:35.118 That's what's happening. 45:35.518 --> 45:41.883 That's why if you look back and you see these people in the past and you listen to them in the past, they're casting different enchantments. 45:42.303 --> 45:45.185 And the enchantment that's being cast right now is extraordinary. 45:45.605 --> 45:49.909 Let's hear one more example of her talking about autism 45:50.709 --> 46:12.905 And I want you to hear how the enchantment that she casts is one about genetics and one about vulnerability and one about the diversity of our genetic backgrounds and our vulnerability to different things and how we definitely need to study the genetic diversity of humans if we're ever going to solve some of these big problems. 46:13.646 --> 46:16.428 Once you see it and hear it for the different 46:17.288 --> 46:27.275 very different enchantment than it is, you're gonna be ready to hear David Baltimore and his current sort of take on this enchantment. 46:40.184 --> 46:41.805 Sorry, I'm sending a message. 46:41.825 --> 46:45.728 There we go. 46:45.788 --> 46:45.988 Yes. 46:47.585 --> 46:48.306 I think it's playing. 46:48.766 --> 46:49.587 Maybe I paused it. 46:51.728 --> 46:52.689 Wait, I don't hear anything. 46:52.949 --> 46:54.831 Okay, I gotta escape for a second. 46:59.154 --> 46:59.674 Escape! 46:59.694 --> 47:00.555 There we go. 47:01.115 --> 47:02.636 I think it just got a little tired there. 47:02.697 --> 47:03.117 Let me see. 47:07.140 --> 47:08.121 Oh, I put the volume down. 47:08.361 --> 47:09.942 Wow, you're terrible at this. 47:10.743 --> 47:11.043 Here we go. 47:13.820 --> 47:38.138 This is the time when we do have the opportunity to understand whether or not there are susceptible children, perhaps genetically, perhaps they have a metabolic issue, mitochondrial disorder, immunological issue, that makes them more susceptible to vaccines, plural, or to one particular vaccine, or to a component of vaccine, like mercury. 47:38.638 --> 47:45.383 The fact that there is concern that you don't want to know that susceptible group is a real disappointment to me. 47:45.943 --> 47:48.305 If you know that susceptible group, you can save those children. 47:48.805 --> 47:55.290 The reason why they didn't want to look for those susceptibility groups was because they were afraid that if they found them, 47:56.030 --> 48:00.713 however big or small they were, that that would scare the public away. 48:00.853 --> 48:06.936 It sounds like you don't think the hypothesis of a link between vaccines and autism is completely irrational. 48:07.096 --> 48:09.498 So when I first heard about it, I thought, well, that doesn't make sense to me. 48:10.373 --> 48:27.425 The more you delve into it, if you look at the basic science, if you look at the research that's been done in animals, if you also look at some of these individual cases, and if you look at the evidence that there is no link, what I come away with is the question has not been answered. 48:28.775 --> 48:32.380 So I think it's very interesting what Girl Rocks says in the chat. 48:32.420 --> 48:35.024 I'm sure that Pamela would have been thinking the same thing. 48:35.084 --> 48:38.749 How is it that everyone would not be susceptible to mercury poisoning? 48:39.791 --> 48:44.197 How is it that everyone would not be susceptible to a dysregulation of your immune system? 48:45.680 --> 49:02.227 And so this is really the early stages of trying to, again, get people to ask the wrong questions so that the question that they ask isn't, are intramuscular injections of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system actually dumb? 49:03.067 --> 49:03.967 Is that possible? 49:04.807 --> 49:07.048 That's not a question that she wants to ask. 49:07.488 --> 49:20.410 Instead, the question we assume that they work great, just like Brett Weinstein assumes that they are just the greatest technology since airplane or the wheel, but maybe some people are vulnerable. 49:20.750 --> 49:22.611 Maybe there's a genetic predisposition. 49:23.011 --> 49:29.072 Maybe as Judy Mikovits said, there's a latent virus that gets activated by the vaccine and causes autism. 49:32.133 --> 49:42.192 This enchantment has been developing over many, many years since we were children and this enchantment was being cast in a much more mundane way on our parents. 49:46.365 --> 50:10.471 And so if I can remind you of any stream in particular to watch to try and think about how significant it is that understanding the history of these ideas and understanding who is responsible for crafting our collective understanding of these ideas, we can see why it is so suspicious that Robert Malone and Judy Mikovits are in front of us right now. 50:12.321 --> 50:16.286 And we can see why it's so suspicious that all of them have forgotten about Lee Minyan. 50:17.988 --> 50:23.134 It's suspicious why Pierre Cory was a witness for the George Floyd case. 50:23.555 --> 50:30.403 It's suspicious why Pierre Cory and Peter McCullough had to go all the way to Australia to testify in front of their parliament. 50:33.382 --> 50:55.079 It's suspiciously why Jessica Rose was able to tour the world and surf on three continents for four years for simply pushing a narrative about the spike protein and about VAERS, and has never really usefully questioned the childhood vaccine schedule in America, even though she works on CHD and gets her own show there. 50:58.422 --> 51:13.432 That's why CHD is about health freedom and about freedom of speech and about Merrill Nass' medical license and not about stopping the criminal vaccine schedule in America or returning strict liability to these products. 51:14.152 --> 51:28.182 That's why they never use those words, because they are part of this crafting of our understanding and curating of the narrative and making sure that we don't ask the questions that will immediately get us out of the trap. 51:31.323 --> 51:32.463 I'm David Baltimore. 51:32.563 --> 51:38.465 I'm the Millikan Professor of Biology at the California Institute of Technology. 51:38.865 --> 51:46.968 I was president of this wonderful school for nine years and so also carry the title President Emeritus. 51:50.700 --> 51:57.382 The idea that we might modify inheritance of an animal or human beings is an old idea. 51:58.602 --> 52:14.647 When genes were first discovered, we assumed that there would be methods developed for modifying specific genes, and in particular genes which have mutated away from optimum behavior. 52:17.428 --> 52:18.048 But we didn't know how. 52:20.220 --> 52:30.844 And as time has passed in the modern era, in the last, let's say, 50 years, ideas have popped up for how you might do this. 52:31.084 --> 52:37.547 But they were too sloppy to use in human beings. 52:38.507 --> 52:42.489 OK, so I just want to take you back again and make sure that you hear what I hear. 52:43.993 --> 52:53.078 The two phrases that I want you to hear him say again are, genes were first discovered and mutated away from optimal behavior. 52:53.298 --> 52:55.880 So if I just, I think I have this on, yeah. 52:56.360 --> 53:01.903 These two phrases in particular, genes were first discovered and mutated away from optimal behavior. 53:01.943 --> 53:10.008 The reason why I want you to listen to that is because those are the presuppositions of the narrative that this 53:11.243 --> 53:16.306 public health state would like you to accept, the Human Genome Project wants you to accept. 53:17.187 --> 53:24.712 That there are genes, we can find them, and once we find them, then we have the cause of things, the cause of behavior. 53:25.512 --> 53:26.753 The cause of behavior. 53:26.833 --> 53:30.815 If we change the genes of a mouse, we change the behavior of the mouse. 53:30.875 --> 53:34.558 Now, this is to a certain extent true. 53:36.383 --> 53:49.947 But we do not, we do not, we do not, we do not want to assume that that model is as high fidelity as what he wants you to hear. 53:50.908 --> 53:58.690 And then I'm going to give you a very brief metaphor that's just our analogy that's just come into my mind and hopefully it'll be okay. 53:59.311 --> 54:00.471 But if we found 54:01.892 --> 54:06.917 that when you take a screw out of a grand piano, that a certain note stops playing. 54:06.957 --> 54:12.141 And then we said, see, this screw is where the note is. 54:12.802 --> 54:15.584 And so if we change this screw, we can change the note. 54:16.045 --> 54:22.931 So we change the screw and the note changes. 54:26.533 --> 54:32.186 But did the note really change or did we, when we put the screw back in, we didn't tighten the cord enough? 54:32.266 --> 54:34.111 We didn't tighten the wire enough? 54:34.191 --> 54:35.574 We didn't set it up correctly? 54:35.614 --> 54:36.556 We didn't retune it? 54:39.315 --> 55:00.585 I know this isn't a perfect analogy, but what I want you to understand is that just because we can delete a sequence in ourselves or in our mouse, and then a certain thing, a certain function disappears, that doesn't mean, okay, now we understand that function and we understand the root cause of that function is this gene. 55:01.713 --> 55:11.990 any more than we understand how to build a piano if we unscrew a screw and now the middle C doesn't work and say, see, now we understand it. 55:12.090 --> 55:13.833 I know exactly how to fix this thing. 55:15.267 --> 55:29.293 And now again, please understand that's not an apt analogy to capture the irreducible complexity that is us or even a mouse when he's talking about genes were first discovered and mutated away from optimal behavior. 55:29.353 --> 55:37.376 These are already cartoon versions of what we might be able to make analogies about how genes work if 55:39.577 --> 55:46.379 The instructions on a pattern integrity are contained in the DNA of every one of your cells. 55:46.539 --> 55:59.783 If that's true, and I'm willing to accept it on a grand idea scale, if that's true, the way that that DNA becomes or encodes what it is that we are, 56:01.098 --> 56:04.281 is absolutely positively not understood at all. 56:04.441 --> 56:15.750 Not even in the most rudimentary sense other than, well, if we take all of this genetic material and put it over here and let it grow, it grows into the same thing that this would have grown into over here. 56:16.170 --> 56:18.852 That doesn't mean we understand it at all. 56:19.453 --> 56:26.358 And even if we can take little screws out of the piano and show that certain keys stop working, it still doesn't mean we understand 56:27.543 --> 56:31.347 Beethoven's music and what Beethoven hears when he plays a piano, you see? 56:32.448 --> 56:42.419 Even though we're actually trying to say that because we can make Beethoven unable to play middle C by unscrewing this screw, we now understand how Beethoven writes music. 56:43.558 --> 56:51.880 You see, that's where the irreducible complexity is completely vanishing from this, guys, because that's what reductionist biology does. 56:52.300 --> 57:08.284 It assumes that everything is a machine, everything is a bunch of chemicals, and if you put the right chemicals together, you get a firework, and if you put the right chemicals together, you get a firework that has little spouts like this, and if you put the right organic chemicals together, you get that little pattern integrity over there. 57:09.597 --> 57:17.139 And this is a gross oversimplification and an exaggeration of the fidelity of our understanding. 57:17.180 --> 57:23.842 And that is codified nicely in how he says, when genes were first discovered and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 57:23.862 --> 57:25.702 So let's listen to that again, okay? 57:26.062 --> 57:30.764 Because that's really important to try and get your head around as we listen to the rest of this one. 57:31.684 --> 57:33.745 Hope you don't feel like I'm wasting your time. 57:37.678 --> 57:50.226 you demon I must have taken something out there no I got it there something else is there I'm sorry I'm gonna see if I can get this oh I 57:53.115 --> 57:54.257 I'm David Baltimore. 57:54.357 --> 58:00.286 I'm the Millikan Professor of Biology at the California Institute of Technology. 58:00.687 --> 58:08.779 I was president of this wonderful school for nine years and so also carry the title President Emeritus. 58:12.512 --> 58:19.173 The idea that we might modify inheritance of an animal or human beings is an old idea. 58:20.393 --> 58:36.436 When genes were first discovered, we assumed that there would be methods developed for modifying specific genes, and in particular genes which have mutated away from optimum behavior. 58:39.217 --> 58:39.837 But we didn't know how. 58:42.710 --> 58:55.620 So how would we be able to tell, for example, whether a gene had mutated away from optimum behavior or the mechanisms by which that gene results in function has changed? 58:55.740 --> 59:03.286 In other words, how would we know whether the record was printed badly or whether the record player you're using is crap? 59:04.226 --> 59:06.168 The record player is set at the wrong speed. 59:07.679 --> 59:18.062 And so again, by saying that genes were discovered and genes do this, and then they mutate away from optimum behavior, he's still talking like the special cancer virus program. 59:18.102 --> 59:21.623 He's still talking about how nuclear weapons change the world. 59:23.543 --> 59:26.124 And now soon genetics is gonna change the world. 59:26.184 --> 59:28.585 He sounds like he's in the 50s and 60s again. 59:29.125 --> 59:33.406 And he's still talking about the idea that the way that this works is mutation. 59:35.475 --> 59:49.724 which is again a very limited, limited spectrum of debate that does not at all address how poorly that can encompass any of the irreducible complexity that would begin to, you know, better explain our world. 59:49.764 --> 59:50.404 Let's keep going. 59:51.545 --> 59:52.866 Hopefully that won't advance. 59:55.683 --> 01:00:04.970 As time has passed in the modern era, in the last, let's say 50 years, ideas have popped up for how you might do this. 01:00:05.210 --> 01:00:07.152 But they were too sloppy. 01:00:07.732 --> 01:00:08.973 It is a DNA helix. 01:00:09.353 --> 01:00:11.675 It is. 01:00:12.676 --> 01:00:13.857 This is the same room. 01:00:14.717 --> 01:00:16.659 And so that was just off the table. 01:00:16.759 --> 01:00:19.581 It's even got the same lamp still as the lyre in the video. 01:00:21.482 --> 01:00:23.304 About four or five years ago, 01:00:25.731 --> 01:00:31.856 People realized that there was in bacteria a kind of immune system. 01:00:32.916 --> 01:00:40.902 Bacteria use it to fight off viruses, because they, like us, are plagued by viruses. 01:00:41.823 --> 01:00:52.331 But this immune system worked entirely at a molecular level to characterize the genes of the invading virus. 01:00:53.380 --> 01:01:14.598 and to basically cut the genes of the invading virus at specific sites that distinguished the invading genes from the resident genes in the bacterium and allowed the bacterium to fight off attack by virus. 01:01:17.096 --> 01:01:27.738 But this ability to cut at a specific place was exactly what we needed if we were going to modify the genes of a 01:01:29.085 --> 01:01:47.909 say a mouse, because the way that a mouse cell works, in fact most cells work, is that when there's been a cut through their DNA, the genes that control the behavior of the organism, 01:01:48.908 --> 01:01:51.471 They work very hard to repair it. 01:01:52.772 --> 01:02:00.181 And the cell repairs it actually, whether it can do it precisely or not. 01:02:01.022 --> 01:02:04.766 And so it makes little mistakes in the process of repairing it. 01:02:06.228 --> 01:02:07.369 And that can inactivate. 01:02:08.615 --> 01:02:10.557 the gene that was cut. 01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:17.784 And so we have now a very precise way of inactivating a gene. 01:02:18.265 --> 01:02:31.038 And it turns out that by another set of tricks, you can not only inactivate a gene, but you can modify the gene one place at a time, one spot at a time. 01:02:32.959 --> 01:02:36.441 And that's now what CRISPR-Cas9 is. 01:02:37.601 --> 01:02:47.465 So CRISPR is a name for the protective system that bacteria have. 01:02:48.026 --> 01:02:52.828 And I don't want to go into what it stands for because... He doesn't want to go into what it stands for. 01:02:52.888 --> 01:02:53.228 Why? 01:02:53.408 --> 01:02:56.770 And that is, first of all, this is a DNA double helix. 01:02:56.850 --> 01:02:59.111 Now, why doesn't he want to explain what CRISPR means? 01:02:59.191 --> 01:02:59.471 Say it. 01:03:00.051 --> 01:03:00.831 It's meaningless. 01:03:01.231 --> 01:03:02.031 It's meaningless. 01:03:02.151 --> 01:03:04.172 Okay, so let's see what CRISPR really means. 01:03:13.774 --> 01:03:15.094 CRISPR. 01:03:16.695 --> 01:03:17.975 CRISPR. 01:03:18.615 --> 01:03:20.215 Let's see what CRISPR means. 01:03:20.675 --> 01:03:27.897 Wikipedia says, clustered, regularly, interspaced, short palindromic repeats. 01:03:32.355 --> 01:03:36.838 clustered regularly, interspaced, short palindromic repeats. 01:03:39.619 --> 01:03:48.344 And it delivers the Cas9 nuclease complexed with a synthetic RNA guide into the cell to be cut at a desired location. 01:03:50.226 --> 01:03:57.410 So CRISPR in the viruses is supposedly something that helps the virus as an immune system, he said. 01:03:58.322 --> 01:04:13.191 But in reality, what CRISPR does is it cuts that specific, clustered, regularly interspaced, short palindromic repeats, and then moves those sequences from the phage genome to the bacterial genome. 01:04:14.772 --> 01:04:23.097 And so what he is describing as fending off attack and the immune system of the bacteria remembering 01:04:24.045 --> 01:04:37.053 the phage so that it can fight it off is actually, I think, probably equally well described by saying that phages are a way of sharing genetic information between bacteria. 01:04:37.133 --> 01:04:40.935 And the way that the bacteria incorporate that is that there are 01:04:42.259 --> 01:04:52.234 clustered regularly interspaced short palindromic repeats that are used interspaced between that useful genetic information that is being shared between bacteria. 01:04:52.775 --> 01:04:56.120 And that's why they cut there and then copy the stuff in the middle. 01:04:58.140 --> 01:05:05.684 Now they have taken that little machine and they have used it in combination with Cas9 to do RNA-directed cutting. 01:05:06.064 --> 01:05:12.828 And it may be that after some modifications and some tweaking, they are able to, to a limited extent, do that. 01:05:14.141 --> 01:05:36.879 But what you heard there was a very disingenuous representation of what bacteriophages might be, or are, or should be considered, and a very, very, very succinct description of them as pathogens of bacteria that need to be fought off by a sort of immune system of bacteria called CRISPR-Cas9. 01:05:40.669 --> 01:05:54.021 and no different than what Joshua Lederberg and Dr. Wolf were doing in that 1994 article by trying to get us not to think about genetic engineering, but about gene therapy. 01:05:55.062 --> 01:06:04.410 Here we have a wonderful, wonderful example of David Baltimore making sure to curate the narrative around viruses and the Baltimore scheme. 01:06:05.481 --> 01:06:10.463 so that we never ask useful questions about what CRISPR-Cas9 is or it isn't. 01:06:11.063 --> 01:06:18.886 And we make sure that we think of bacteriophages as pathogens rather than a natural signaling mechanism of bacteria. 01:06:18.966 --> 01:06:32.431 Essentially part of the pattern integrity that is bacteria in the same way that exosomes might very well be a part of the natural pattern integrity that is ourselves, our immune systems and our healthy and 01:06:34.973 --> 01:06:56.632 whatever tissue I mean think about this carefully try to absorb what he's saying here and realize that he is kind of descendant of the same mentor chain that that Bernadine Healy is and yet if we just look back a decade ago the rhetoric and the enchantment is so very different 01:07:06.698 --> 01:07:17.901 But it involves an RNA molecule, a genetic molecule, that specifies the precise spot. 01:07:18.761 --> 01:07:23.782 And Cas9 is a protein that can cut the DNA. 01:07:24.442 --> 01:07:32.704 And so CRISPR directs the system to a specific spot, then it's cut in that specific spot. 01:07:33.103 --> 01:07:36.704 prepared there and either modified or inactivated. 01:07:38.825 --> 01:07:41.345 The science is advancing very rapidly. 01:07:42.265 --> 01:07:45.486 New ways of editing are coming up. 01:07:46.026 --> 01:07:47.147 Exponential, of course. 01:07:47.947 --> 01:07:50.047 Are cleaner, more effective. 01:07:53.748 --> 01:08:02.540 and new ways of using the technology are being invented continually. 01:08:03.341 --> 01:08:08.569 So it will just get more and more powerful over time. 01:08:09.864 --> 01:08:16.686 we're going to see, I think, some pressure to use that technology in people. 01:08:17.906 --> 01:08:30.550 And where the medical need is great, I think we'll find situations in which the benefit-risk ratio is very much in favor of the benefit. 01:08:31.790 --> 01:08:37.832 And at that point, I think there's a moral argument to be made that we have to do that. 01:08:39.389 --> 01:08:42.751 because we can improve the lives of people. 01:08:46.613 --> 01:08:49.234 There are two kinds of challenges. 01:08:50.074 --> 01:08:50.955 So that's interesting. 01:08:50.995 --> 01:09:04.502 What if we had a transmissible, a self-replicating RNA that could alter lots of people at once and we could, I don't know, aerosolize it and distribute it and it would help people? 01:09:04.582 --> 01:09:07.183 I guess we would be under the moral obligation to do it then. 01:09:09.491 --> 01:09:25.505 If we thought it would help people, if we had a 99.999% chance that it was going to work just fine to release a gene drive that would change humans' genetics permanently, I guess we should do it then, according to David Baltimore. 01:09:26.846 --> 01:09:29.248 Just a lowly virologist, you know, nobody big. 01:09:29.528 --> 01:09:30.589 He's not influential. 01:09:30.609 --> 01:09:33.372 He doesn't have any, any, any say in this stuff. 01:09:33.392 --> 01:09:34.553 He's just an average guy. 01:09:37.782 --> 01:09:39.623 in using the technology. 01:09:40.603 --> 01:09:52.989 One is an off target that we have to do that because we can improve the lives of people. 01:09:55.490 --> 01:10:00.572 There are two kinds of challenges in using the technology. 01:10:01.532 --> 01:10:01.952 One is 01:10:04.719 --> 01:10:28.248 an off-target effect where you want to modify a gene at a certain position and you inadvertently cause a change somewhere else in the genome, needn't even be at all nearby to where you plan to cause an alteration. 01:10:29.804 --> 01:10:38.237 You have to be very careful of that because we're now talking about mutations that will be passed on to later generations. 01:10:38.938 --> 01:10:45.808 And so you don't want any adventitious errors created in the genome. 01:10:46.971 --> 01:10:50.974 Now there are little errors created all the time in our genomes. 01:10:51.634 --> 01:11:03.883 You compare the genomes of two identical twins and they do differ because there are events like this occurring all the time. 01:11:04.123 --> 01:11:11.689 So it's an interesting admission if the genomes of identical twins are not the same anymore when they're adults. 01:11:12.645 --> 01:11:16.266 and that the manifestation of them is different, even metabolically. 01:11:16.306 --> 01:11:26.769 If we can see differences there, then that seems to indicate that genes aren't just genes and that genes don't just determine the behavior until they mutate away from optimum. 01:11:27.949 --> 01:11:41.173 That it's a different kind of emergent property or emergent properties or several layers of emergent properties that are horribly, horribly simplified by talking about genes and their discovery. 01:11:42.267 --> 01:11:52.154 And yet this guy is fine with that because that's the extent to which they want us to understand their limited, very, very limited grasp of our biology. 01:11:52.534 --> 01:11:54.696 I want to increase the frequency of those. 01:11:55.676 --> 01:11:57.498 So that's one. 01:11:57.698 --> 01:11:59.399 The other problem 01:12:00.718 --> 01:12:14.901 is that if the edit is done as the cells are dividing in the embryo, you could have a situation in which the embryo becomes what we call a mosaic. 01:12:15.781 --> 01:12:20.222 Some of its cells are edited, some of its cells are not edited. 01:12:21.803 --> 01:12:22.583 At that point, 01:12:24.955 --> 01:12:29.776 You haven't, you've created a problem and you haven't solved the problem you wanted to solve. 01:12:30.636 --> 01:12:36.197 Because there are still cells in there that can pass the mutation on to the next generation. 01:12:37.178 --> 01:12:45.159 And there are cells that are, have been edited and are like cells in other people. 01:12:45.900 --> 01:12:49.480 So we've got to figure out how to avoid mosaicism. 01:12:50.201 --> 01:12:52.221 And that actually is not easy. 01:12:53.704 --> 01:12:54.744 And I don't. 01:12:55.324 --> 01:12:59.265 And so he's actually talking about methodological problems. 01:12:59.405 --> 01:13:08.488 That's the two things that are standing in the way of there being no ethical reason not to modify humans, even if they don't want it. 01:13:09.028 --> 01:13:10.948 We'll be under a moral obligation to do it. 01:13:10.968 --> 01:13:11.829 What are the problems? 01:13:12.449 --> 01:13:14.409 One of the problems is off-target effects. 01:13:14.449 --> 01:13:15.710 That we can probably solve. 01:13:16.070 --> 01:13:17.710 The other one is mosaicism. 01:13:18.130 --> 01:13:19.050 And what did he say? 01:13:19.370 --> 01:13:21.071 When you modify a zygote, 01:13:23.027 --> 01:13:33.617 and some of the cells change and some of them don't, you could have a mosaic organism with cells that have a different genetic background than other cells. 01:13:33.677 --> 01:13:35.238 Some will be altered, some won't. 01:13:35.699 --> 01:13:46.449 So the two things we have to solve are how to modify all the cells in a zygote, and number two, how to get rid of off-target effects. 01:13:47.455 --> 01:13:58.260 And so there's no discussion of ethics at all, no discussion about our limited understanding of these things, no discussion of the irreducible complexity. 01:13:58.380 --> 01:14:12.566 Instead, a very brass tacks discussion about the landmarks we need to get to before Ray Kurzweiler can upload his brain into the ether forever and avoid all future diseases and live for eternity. 01:14:13.390 --> 01:14:29.298 We just have to get these off-target effects done and figure out how to adequately transfect or transform a zygote, which in case you don't know what that is, it's a multicellular blob of cells before they become like a real embryo with a shape. 01:14:29.318 --> 01:14:34.100 I think it's a problem that has been solved yet. 01:14:36.381 --> 01:14:38.322 I think people who work with this technology 01:14:40.567 --> 01:14:50.437 As the cells are dividing in the embryo, you could have a situation in which the embryo becomes what we call a mosaic. 01:14:51.318 --> 01:14:55.762 Some of its cells are edited, some of its cells are not edited. 01:14:57.364 --> 01:14:58.125 At that point, 01:15:00.481 --> 01:15:05.322 you haven't, you've created a problem and you haven't solved the problem you wanted to solve. 01:15:06.182 --> 01:15:11.723 Because there are still cells in there that can pass the mutation on to the next generation. 01:15:12.704 --> 01:15:20.705 And there are cells that are, have been edited and are like cells in other people. 01:15:21.446 --> 01:15:25.026 So we've got to figure out how to avoid mosaicism. 01:15:25.727 --> 01:15:27.767 And that actually is not easy. 01:15:29.233 --> 01:15:34.459 And I don't think it's a problem that has been solved yet. 01:15:36.774 --> 01:15:53.462 I think people who work with this technology are reasonably comfortable that off-target effects can be assayed and minimized, brought down to the level of spontaneous alterations. 01:15:54.863 --> 01:15:55.983 He's being very careful. 01:15:56.003 --> 01:16:01.786 There's real questions about whether we know how to handle the mosaicism. 01:16:03.228 --> 01:16:10.453 And if we don't find a way to handle the mosaicism, then we may have to look at a very different kind of technology. 01:16:11.774 --> 01:16:12.715 I wonder what that would be. 01:16:12.855 --> 01:16:17.158 There are really two classes of problem with germline modification. 01:16:17.979 --> 01:16:19.720 One is the mechanics of it. 01:16:20.461 --> 01:16:21.121 That's what he just said. 01:16:21.161 --> 01:16:23.163 Do we have it working precisely? 01:16:23.183 --> 01:16:27.146 Have we solved the problems of mosaicism? 01:16:28.747 --> 01:16:31.829 Can we do it with precision and safety? 01:16:33.612 --> 01:16:38.473 But then you have to ask the question, do we want to do it at all in human beings? 01:16:39.993 --> 01:16:44.154 And that's an almost religious question. 01:16:45.575 --> 01:17:00.378 Because if you treat human beings as inviolable, as being given to the Earth by higher forces, 01:17:02.657 --> 01:17:09.120 and believe that humans are perfect, then you don't want to modify them. 01:17:10.761 --> 01:17:25.187 Even if they're not healthy, or even if their lives could be better, at least from my point of view, there are people who believe that nothing like that should be done. 01:17:26.587 --> 01:17:36.270 So those are people who would say there should never be gene modification, gene editing, no matter how good it looks. 01:17:39.271 --> 01:17:51.874 And then there are, I think, lots of other people, a majority of people, who believe that if there is a way to make the lives of people better, we should do it. 01:17:53.723 --> 01:17:54.303 those people. 01:17:54.423 --> 01:17:57.465 And that's really, unfortunately, complete bullshit. 01:17:57.525 --> 01:18:06.190 Because if these people wanted to make our lives better, they would start by protecting our environment, stop polluting our environment, stop, stop 01:18:08.186 --> 01:18:09.507 raping our waterways. 01:18:09.587 --> 01:18:13.829 They would stop polluting us with their processed food. 01:18:14.329 --> 01:18:17.990 They would encourage small farmers to grow organically. 01:18:18.030 --> 01:18:20.131 They would encourage everyone to have a garden. 01:18:20.191 --> 01:18:25.874 They would encourage school lunch programs to go back to the way they were when I was a kid. 01:18:26.414 --> 01:18:36.443 They would be doing all kinds of things that are very low-hanging fruit to make our lives better if making our lives better was exactly what they wanted to do. 01:18:37.003 --> 01:18:47.152 These lying pieces of shit saying that they want to make our lives better because their genetic technology is, you know, expensive, but we don't want to keep it all for ourselves. 01:18:47.532 --> 01:18:49.474 We want even the poor people to have it. 01:18:50.254 --> 01:18:50.975 Stop lying! 01:18:51.796 --> 01:18:52.796 It is gross. 01:18:53.217 --> 01:18:54.218 It is gross! 01:19:01.224 --> 01:19:07.087 Now I have to make another distinction with germline modification. 01:19:07.927 --> 01:19:09.668 One is the mechanics of it. 01:19:10.929 --> 01:19:13.110 Do we have it working precisely? 01:19:14.971 --> 01:19:17.112 Have we solved the problems of mosaicism? 01:19:18.693 --> 01:19:21.834 Can we do it with precision and safety? 01:19:23.555 --> 01:19:28.418 But then you have to ask the question, do we want to do it at all in human beings? 01:19:29.964 --> 01:19:34.086 And that's an almost religious question. 01:19:34.326 --> 01:19:34.786 Almost. 01:19:35.527 --> 01:19:59.058 Because if you treat human beings as inviolable, as being given to the earth by higher forces, and believe that humans are perfect, then you don't want to modify them. 01:20:00.706 --> 01:20:04.227 Even if they're... Believing humans is perfect is not what we believe. 01:20:04.287 --> 01:20:16.049 We believe biology of animals and plants and bacteria and us are all one continuum for which we have very little real grasp on. 01:20:18.969 --> 01:20:28.591 Other than it is a web of pattern integrities that we best not mess with and that there is an enormous amount of irreducible complexity that underpins it. 01:20:30.080 --> 01:20:33.638 That is very different than saying we come from somewhere, blah, blah, blah. 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:43.924 And that's the level of sophistication that I think we need to get our high school biology kids at. 01:20:44.525 --> 01:20:54.710 Our matriculating freshmen in college need to understand biology in a sophisticated enough way so that when they hear this guy, they think, well, what a bunch of bullshit is that? 01:20:54.770 --> 01:20:58.752 I don't just believe it's all fairies and smoke. 01:21:02.344 --> 01:21:08.726 I understand that there are just an enormous amount of things that we're not gonna understand about our own biology. 01:21:09.166 --> 01:21:30.551 And I understand, and I want all these children to understand that the toxins in our environment, the shitty food that they make us eat, the way that we don't exercise, the air that we breathe, the water that we drink, the habits that we form in our children are all far more destructive than the Baltimore scheme of viruses and what we have to face with regards to dangers from them. 01:21:33.755 --> 01:21:47.160 And the idea that these people want to misconstrue the public good of genetic modification with the public good of just giving us clean water, fresh air, and good food to eat is ridiculous. 01:21:49.761 --> 01:21:50.361 Not healthy. 01:21:50.942 --> 01:22:02.266 Or even if their lives could be better, at least from my point of view, there are people who believe that nothing like that should be done. 01:22:03.652 --> 01:22:13.335 So those are people who would say there should never be gene modification, gene editing, no matter how good it looks. 01:22:16.336 --> 01:22:28.959 And then there are, I think, lots of other people, a majority of people, who believe that if there is a way to make the lives of people better, we should do it. 01:22:30.791 --> 01:22:36.515 Those people now have to make another distinction. 01:22:38.237 --> 01:22:49.665 That distinction is between a modification that is only in your own body and a modification which is inherited by your offspring. 01:22:52.207 --> 01:22:54.189 And that that's a fundamental difference. 01:22:56.905 --> 01:23:09.420 not because of the mechanics of it, but because of the moral status of the individual. 01:23:11.431 --> 01:23:19.455 And that in some way, by modifying the genes, you've modified the essence of the individual. 01:23:19.775 --> 01:23:21.836 Now that's an interesting point for him to make. 01:23:21.876 --> 01:23:28.140 In other words, if I want to modify myself as a 53-year-old man to make myself into a superhero X-Man, that's fine. 01:23:29.008 --> 01:23:35.173 But if I modify myself in a way that modifies future generations that come after me, that's a very different thing. 01:23:35.253 --> 01:23:57.532 Now, that doesn't even acknowledge the fact that we don't really understand the mechanisms of inheritance to the extent to which we can say safely that if we modify somebody and that modification includes their gametes, that that modification will have no ramifications on their offspring or the reproductive process that leads to healthy offspring. 01:23:58.308 --> 01:23:59.950 We wouldn't know that until it failed. 01:23:59.990 --> 01:24:03.353 We wouldn't know that until it careened out of control, right? 01:24:03.433 --> 01:24:09.219 I mean, you wouldn't know if making somebody super smart could also make their... 01:24:11.693 --> 01:24:13.814 their wives have like triplets all the time. 01:24:13.854 --> 01:24:28.524 You wouldn't know that until you actually went through the replication process and realized that, oh my gosh, now the modification of his math ability has inadvertently led to large litters of miniature children. 01:24:28.584 --> 01:24:29.424 How would you know that? 01:24:29.464 --> 01:24:30.285 You wouldn't know that. 01:24:30.325 --> 01:24:35.108 And you can make all the conjecture you want about how we know it won't happen because we've done it. 01:24:35.128 --> 01:24:35.508 We don't know that. 01:24:38.396 --> 01:24:50.119 And so it's interesting that he brings up the idea that modifying an adult or modifying an individual is very different than modifying a germline and all the offspring that come down from that. 01:24:51.462 --> 01:25:03.225 So he's kind of hinting at gene drives here, which is a cool technology that nobody ever talks about that's far more dangerous and is the real gain of function that we should be afraid of. 01:25:03.305 --> 01:25:12.208 Nothing to do with viruses, but just to do with molecular tools being created by people who have no idea what these molecular tools might do to a 01:25:12.808 --> 01:25:18.791 you know, a continuum of pattern integrities that has been developing over thousands, if not millions of years. 01:25:18.811 --> 01:25:24.794 And we're just going to, you know, mess around with that molecular pattern integrity over millions of years by just tweaking some stuff. 01:25:24.834 --> 01:25:26.915 Because, you know, gene drives are cool. 01:25:31.157 --> 01:25:36.439 And again, there are people on both sides of that question. 01:25:36.780 --> 01:25:39.521 And I think it'll come down 01:25:41.089 --> 01:25:53.542 to how well can you do it and what kinds of modifications can be made that would improve the health and well-being of people. 01:25:56.865 --> 01:25:59.148 But we're going to debate those questions. 01:26:00.519 --> 01:26:04.180 over the next years and decades. 01:26:05.660 --> 01:26:12.041 And there are always gonna be people on both sides of the issue. 01:26:12.901 --> 01:26:15.102 So we're gonna have to decide to go one way or another. 01:26:18.082 --> 01:26:28.284 I think it's pretty clear where I would go, but I don't have any more important status than anybody else in this discussion. 01:26:29.595 --> 01:26:37.727 And so it really will come down to what the majority of people think is the right way to behave. 01:26:39.673 --> 01:26:46.217 The social problems are not solved by genetic tricks. 01:26:47.897 --> 01:26:51.660 They're endemic to the culture of our society. 01:26:54.401 --> 01:26:54.781 Endemic? 01:26:54.801 --> 01:27:02.786 In fact, the general worry is that if we develop the ability to... What did he describe as endemic? 01:27:03.906 --> 01:27:09.790 have any more important status than anybody else in this discussion. 01:27:09.870 --> 01:27:11.612 He doesn't have any more important status. 01:27:11.632 --> 01:27:16.335 It really will come down the next years and decades. 01:27:17.816 --> 01:27:24.181 And there are always going to be people on both sides of the issue. 01:27:24.201 --> 01:27:27.263 So we're going to have to decide to go one way or another. 01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:40.461 I think it's pretty clear where I would go, but I don't have any more important status than anybody else in this discussion. 01:27:41.741 --> 01:27:55.424 And so it really will come down to what the— Except his whole status in this discussion is determined by the fact that he defines virology. 01:27:56.226 --> 01:27:57.847 He defines the AIDS virus. 01:27:58.047 --> 01:27:59.968 He defines retroviruses. 01:28:00.108 --> 01:28:02.289 He defines virology. 01:28:02.349 --> 01:28:16.816 Without him around to say, yes, that's the way it is, without TWIV around to say, yes, that's the way it is, we would be more capable of reinvestigating virology and its purported fidelity. 01:28:17.496 --> 01:28:25.240 And whether it was an exaggeration or not, that RNA can indeed pandemic if you add the right fear and cleavage sites or HIV inserts. 01:28:27.418 --> 01:28:29.119 because that is what he protects. 01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:51.699 He might not have any special say in whether we genetically modify our children or not because I'm not a special guy, but he is a special guy because the reason why we are where we are right now, where transfection and transformation are being rolled out in mass as methodologies of medicine, 01:28:52.757 --> 01:29:10.429 under the guise of countermeasures that worked but didn't work, but were rushed and will work better next time, that fit the category of new kinds of vaccines that people like Li Min Yan were arguing for in 2018 at conferences where other NIH theater members were presenting. 01:29:12.951 --> 01:29:18.415 Understand, ladies and gentlemen, that this illusion is breaking fast like a bubble pops. 01:29:21.564 --> 01:29:23.345 Don't get soap in your eyes and miss it. 01:29:25.867 --> 01:29:30.029 The majority of people think this is the right way to behave. 01:29:31.910 --> 01:29:38.474 The social problems are not solved by genetic tricks. 01:29:40.135 --> 01:29:43.857 They're endemic to the culture of our society. 01:29:46.952 --> 01:30:02.982 In fact, the general worry is that if we develop the ability to modify the germline, that only wealthy people will be able to take advantage of that. 01:30:03.822 --> 01:30:14.308 And so it may exacerbate the difference between the opportunities available to the wealthy and to the impoverished. 01:30:16.209 --> 01:30:24.094 And that's something that we're very aware of and really attends all medical advances. 01:30:26.796 --> 01:30:29.617 and is not specific to this advancement. 01:30:29.637 --> 01:30:40.064 Because this is happening with the light of publicity, it is a problem that people are talking about and that we have to think about. 01:30:43.086 --> 01:30:50.571 I believe that it's a good thing for science to be done in a transparent way 01:30:51.571 --> 01:30:58.715 that is available to and understood by the general public. 01:30:59.956 --> 01:31:10.723 Now, at a certain level, there are very few people who can fully understand the implications of new scientific advances. 01:31:12.204 --> 01:31:14.905 But everybody can get an idea of what's going on. 01:31:15.706 --> 01:31:20.949 And I think we have to reach out from the scientific community to the general public to 01:31:21.633 --> 01:31:25.896 so that there is an increased understanding of what's going on. 01:31:26.516 --> 01:31:28.557 So they can exercise informed consent. 01:31:28.597 --> 01:31:41.265 The publicity that surrounded this basically irresponsible act has a plus side which is it's introduced 01:31:42.642 --> 01:31:43.823 the general community. 01:31:44.143 --> 01:31:45.904 He called it an irresponsible act. 01:31:46.564 --> 01:31:49.666 To what's actually going on in modern science. 01:31:49.746 --> 01:32:02.854 And it takes some very dramatic situation for people to pay attention long enough to understand what's what's happening. 01:32:05.596 --> 01:32:10.338 And so this is a teaching moment, and that's good. 01:32:11.419 --> 01:32:11.879 That's good. 01:32:11.899 --> 01:32:15.341 That will spread the understanding. 01:32:15.361 --> 01:32:16.361 It sure is a teaching moment. 01:32:16.641 --> 01:32:28.967 Of what's going on, and it makes the lives of scientists a little more difficult, because we now have to answer to a much wider range of people than ordinarily we pay any attention to us. 01:32:30.656 --> 01:32:41.369 It takes some very dramatic situation for people to pay attention long enough to understand what's happening. 01:32:44.132 --> 01:32:47.135 And so this is a teaching moment. 01:32:47.796 --> 01:32:48.837 And that's good. 01:32:49.938 --> 01:32:50.359 That's good. 01:32:52.589 --> 01:32:56.090 spread the understanding of what's going on in it. 01:32:56.550 --> 01:33:07.473 It makes the lives of scientists a little more difficult because we now have to answer to a much wider range of people than ordinarily we pay any attention to us. 01:33:09.093 --> 01:33:09.833 But that's not bad. 01:33:15.811 --> 01:33:38.271 So the illusion is that from bat caves or from laboratories, a virus could spread around the world and cause a calamity that would require us to advance our methodologies of transfection and transformation as fast as possible in order to counteract the now understood to be laboratory leaked virus. 01:33:39.338 --> 01:33:47.383 This New World Order is an illusion, it's a mythology, and it's based on this idea, that the mystery virus has caused all these excess deaths. 01:33:47.824 --> 01:33:56.149 And the only way they were able to show this to you was because they didn't show you it in the context of all-cause mortality, they just showed it to you as starting from zero. 01:33:56.649 --> 01:34:02.293 These people showed it to you starting from zero, and also these people showed it to you starting from zero. 01:34:02.653 --> 01:34:08.617 And they all went along with it, just like Lee Min Yan and Steve Bannon went along with it. 01:34:09.037 --> 01:34:15.761 all went along with the same story that the mystery virus is causing these excess deaths and it's not true. 01:34:16.501 --> 01:34:21.364 It's not true because fear, uncertainty, doubt, and confusion killed a lot of people. 01:34:21.404 --> 01:34:27.487 It's not true because do not resuscitate orders were given very early in the pandemic because you didn't want to spread anything. 01:34:27.947 --> 01:34:32.110 Pulse oximeters and supplementary oxygen were used to toxic levels. 01:34:32.850 --> 01:34:41.400 that got people to get on ventilators, that got people to not use antibiotics because, you know, antibiotics don't work for a viral pneumonia. 01:34:43.463 --> 01:34:50.571 And so once we stopped treating viral or bacterial pneumonia the way we used to treat it, the deaths from pneumonia skyrocketed. 01:34:53.148 --> 01:35:09.603 poor use of steroids to navigate these things included what Robert Malone described as dexamethasone as an immune system hammer so that they could get people out of the hospital and send them back to care homes where they would die of secondary pneumonia without really knowing it because again, 01:35:10.885 --> 01:35:13.667 dexamethasone is like a hammer for the immune system. 01:35:13.707 --> 01:35:24.515 And then we were told stories about midazolam and about euthanasia in the UK and about remdesivir, but we were never told stories about oxygen toxicity leading to ventilation. 01:35:25.816 --> 01:35:32.561 We were never told stories about murder in hospitals in America, just euthanasia in the UK. 01:35:33.342 --> 01:35:36.264 But those people were gonna die of COVID anyway, right? 01:35:37.981 --> 01:35:42.485 The opioid deaths completely ignored, even though they are a giant deal. 01:35:43.807 --> 01:35:47.330 Because opioid deaths are not the same as heroin. 01:35:48.932 --> 01:35:50.854 Because heroin is made by farmers. 01:35:51.494 --> 01:35:53.176 Heroin is made by poor people. 01:35:54.377 --> 01:35:56.679 Just like cocaine is made by poor people. 01:35:57.340 --> 01:36:01.404 Fentanyl, car fentanyl, are made by pharmaceutical companies. 01:36:05.069 --> 01:36:08.792 Death certificate frauds were used to create the illusion of the pandemic. 01:36:09.372 --> 01:36:13.455 Financial incentives were used to create the illusion of the pandemic. 01:36:13.615 --> 01:36:21.160 Track and trace companies, masks, closures, mandates were used to create the illusion of the pandemic. 01:36:21.220 --> 01:36:31.967 PCR fraud, lateral flow testing fraud, and likely sequencing fraud, all combined to create the illusion of something that was just murder and lies. 01:36:35.438 --> 01:36:38.040 And those murder and lies are not supported. 01:36:38.060 --> 01:36:47.388 I mean, the murder and lies that they told are not, their stories are not supported by epidemiological evidence of spread anywhere in the world. 01:36:49.630 --> 01:36:55.235 And conveniently in America, projected Medicare costs in the coming years were greatly avoided. 01:36:56.778 --> 01:37:05.389 by the deletion of our old people that were going to be a weight on the system to the tune of $500,000 for every person in their last six months. 01:37:06.390 --> 01:37:12.277 This was an ongoing, oncoming crisis that was already projected in the late 90s, early 2000s. 01:37:15.290 --> 01:37:24.115 And yet nobody, not CHD, not Aaron Seery, nobody is talking about strict liability for all pharmaceutical products, including vaccines. 01:37:24.575 --> 01:37:38.884 Nobody's talking about how the CICP and the VICP and the PrEP Act and all these other laws actually combine to create a Seventh Amendment violation where you can't sue for damages anymore. 01:37:40.148 --> 01:37:43.311 You could call that jurisdiction stripping if you wanted to. 01:37:43.351 --> 01:37:49.376 And that idea has got a whole history in American legal system that nobody talks about. 01:37:49.456 --> 01:37:55.962 No one, none of these hero lawyers at CHD, none of these hero lawyers at ICANN, none of these hero lawyers anywhere. 01:37:56.442 --> 01:38:02.608 None of them are talking about using the term strict liability, using the term jurisdiction stripping. 01:38:03.228 --> 01:38:05.871 because they are not trying to save us. 01:38:05.971 --> 01:38:07.312 They are working against us. 01:38:07.752 --> 01:38:15.600 They are part of exactly the same illusion that is now convincing everyone around the world that transfection in healthy humans worked, but it was rushed. 01:38:16.200 --> 01:38:18.662 And so some of this contamination may have hurt people. 01:38:19.403 --> 01:38:23.905 But free-range RNA can definitely cause a pandemic because that's still going on now. 01:38:24.005 --> 01:38:25.145 COVID is still real. 01:38:25.665 --> 01:38:34.649 The Olympics and the Tour de France and these swimmers from Australia all wearing masks because it's still going on right now. 01:38:36.314 --> 01:38:38.656 And the real truth is, is that it's murder and lies. 01:38:38.736 --> 01:38:43.179 The transfection in healthy humans was always criminally negligent, and they knew that. 01:38:43.219 --> 01:38:49.963 That's why they had to lie about it, make it a crisis, use the PrEP Act, declare an emergency because RNA cannot pandemic. 01:38:50.383 --> 01:39:04.473 That's the same reason why somebody like Li Min Yan, who was intimately related to these people on a professional level before the pandemic, suddenly was a whistleblower that came and went as fast as the year 2020 that none of these people want to talk about. 01:39:06.411 --> 01:39:29.419 Because in 2020, we were fooled into solving a mystery of a novel virus, a mystery of a gain-of-function virus, a mystery of a gain-of-function spike protein that might be damaging our immune system, might be causing cardiac arrest, might be causing clotting, might be damaging our mitochondria, might be causing amyloid, might be causing prion disease, might be doing all of these things because it's got fear and cleavage sites and HIV inserts. 01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:31.080 And this is all a lie. 01:39:35.333 --> 01:39:50.724 It's all a lie that was told not just by these people, ladies and gentlemen, but also by these people and their people, their clown shows that they put out there that still can't talk about this, can't summarize this at all. 01:39:51.425 --> 01:39:52.646 It's just a bioweapon. 01:39:52.686 --> 01:39:54.467 It's just an incapacitating agent. 01:39:54.527 --> 01:39:55.828 It's just the spike protein. 01:39:55.868 --> 01:39:57.109 It's just amyloidosis. 01:39:59.022 --> 01:40:00.944 Biology is the way out, ladies and gentlemen. 01:40:01.004 --> 01:40:08.290 Pause all childhood vaccinations in the United States of America because the vaccination schedule in America is criminal. 01:40:08.771 --> 01:40:12.854 Demand strict liability for all pharmaceutical products and this problem goes away. 01:40:13.274 --> 01:40:18.879 Investigate the intentional murder of Americans in 2020 onward to convince the world of a pandemic. 01:40:19.380 --> 01:40:22.382 Reclaim sovereignty over your body and that of your children. 01:40:23.371 --> 01:40:28.375 and the CDC withdraw from the WHO and the UN entirely. 01:40:28.916 --> 01:40:34.580 Ladies and gentlemen, intramuscular injection of any combination of substances with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb. 01:40:35.061 --> 01:40:41.106 Transfection in healthy humans is criminally negligent and RNA cannot pandemic. 01:40:41.326 --> 01:40:44.248 I think that's the show for the C this afternoon. 01:40:44.789 --> 01:40:47.811 There may very well be another show today. 01:40:49.264 --> 01:40:54.487 because I'm feeling it and because I found a podcast that I wanted to listen to. 01:40:55.088 --> 01:40:57.389 So I may do another stream. 01:40:57.449 --> 01:40:58.970 I don't think I have anything after that. 01:40:59.030 --> 01:40:59.590 No, I don't. 01:40:59.610 --> 01:41:01.692 So I'm going to go back to it. 01:41:03.333 --> 01:41:05.454 And you're running slow again, you demon. 01:41:09.116 --> 01:41:10.557 Here we go. 01:41:10.857 --> 01:41:11.077 Cut. 01:41:13.004 --> 01:41:14.946 Thank you very much for joining me, ladies and gentlemen. 01:41:14.966 --> 01:41:22.252 This has been GigaOM Biological, a high-resistance, low-noise information brief brought to you by a biologist and the people that support this stream. 01:41:22.312 --> 01:41:29.779 Go to gigaOM.bio if you want to communicate, stream.gigaOM.bio if you want to share this after 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It's sunny. 01:42:12.987 --> 01:42:19.489 I should get to the basketball court again or my sons are going to come back and I'll be way out of shape. 01:42:19.569 --> 01:42:20.430 Thanks for coming. 01:42:20.730 --> 01:42:21.110 See you soon. 01:42:26.341 --> 01:42:28.084 Ah, I can go check the P.O. 01:42:28.144 --> 01:42:28.784 box today. 01:42:28.824 --> 01:42:29.866 That's a good idea. 01:42:29.886 --> 01:42:30.867 I'll go check the P.O. 01:42:30.927 --> 01:42:31.428 box now. 01:42:31.468 --> 01:42:32.649 That's a fun little ride to take. 01:42:33.410 --> 01:42:34.191 Hopefully the P.O. 01:42:34.231 --> 01:42:42.321 box works, and it wasn't using CrowdStrike as a... as a, um... as a antivirus, and I won't be able to get that door to open. 01:42:42.401 --> 01:42:44.423 That key shouldn't have any... Anyway. 01:42:45.164 --> 01:42:45.625 Love you guys.