guest.speaking/MedicalDoctors4CovidEthicsIntl-CharlesKovess/v5hcyu4 (2024-10-22) - Dr J. Jay Couey discusses the human genome [Charles Kovess]/v5hcyu4 (2024-10-22) - Dr J. Jay Couey discusses the human genome [Charles Kovess].diarized.vtt
[Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: Hey, I got about three or four questions I'm going to ask real fast.
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[Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: So with that, I was wondering if you thought autism or cancer was hereditary?
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[Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: What is an immortal gene do you think is really cancer?
[Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: What is an immortal gene do you think it is really cancer?
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[Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: And what is aliquoting?
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[J Jay Couey]: If it's the one behind me, I've got a great big cabinet.
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[J Jay Couey]: No, it was open.
[Stephen Frost]: No, it was open.
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[J Jay Couey]: It was open.
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[J Jay Couey]: So let's understand what optogenetics are and understand why this is complete bullshit.
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[J Jay Couey]: So optogenetics, as they exist in neuroscience right now, in any form as far as I know, there might be something in DARPA that somebody will tell you is good, but I don't believe that.
[J Jay Couey]: So optogenetics, as they exist in neuroscience right now, in any form as far as I know -- there might be something in DARPA that somebody will tell you is good, but I don't believe that--
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[J Jay Couey]: is an adenovirus-based transformation of an algal protein found in chloroplasts, which is actually a blue light-gated sodium channel.
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[J Jay Couey]: So what's the best way to say this?
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[J Jay Couey]: if you were growing tomato plants and keeping the seeds, and you didn't keep the seeds rather, but you just grew tomatoes, and then you tried to key hats, and that's not a good analogy.
[J Jay Couey]: if you were growing tomato plants and keeping the seeds, and you didn't keep the seeds rather, but you just grew tomatoes, and then you tried to keep...that, and that's not a good analogy.
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[J Jay Couey]: Hold on a second.
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[J Jay Couey]: The other anecdotal story that you should know and you might not know, depending on how ubiquitous it is in Europe, because I don't know how ubiquitous it is in America,
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[J Jay Couey]: But I can only tell you the anecdotal story that I told in the beginning of my Ron Johnson repeat that I did for my own platform, where I did basically the same talk that I gave to Sukrit last week, but I did it slower with a little more detail and specifically aimed at Ron Johnson.
[J Jay Couey]: But I can only tell you the anecdotal story that I told in the beginning of my Ron Johnson repeat that I did for my own platform, where I did basically the same talk that I gave to Sucharit last week, but I did it slower with a little more detail and specifically aimed at Ron Johnson.
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[J Jay Couey]: You might not be aware, but one of the most
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[J Jay Couey]: used cell lines in pharmaceuticals and biotech and in academia is the fibroblast.
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[J Jay Couey]: And fibroblasts are generated exclusively from the never-ending supply of foreskin that comes from American hospitals, has remnant material.
[J Jay Couey]: And fibroblasts are generated exclusively from the never-ending supply of foreskin that comes from American hospitals, as remnant material.
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[J Jay Couey]: Now, at first, you might think, oh, that's all right.
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[J Jay Couey]: And so being a kid growing up in Wisconsin and showering with everybody in elementary school, for whatever reason, I don't know why, that's the way it was at my school.
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[J Jay Couey]: I know for a fact that a large majority of the young males that I grew up with are fully
[J Jay Couey]: I know for a fact that a large majority of the young males that I grew up with are fully...
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[J Jay Couey]: They have nothing.
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[J Jay Couey]: And I assure you that whatever was removed didn't go to a medical remnants sale and get derived into cell culture material.
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[J Jay Couey]: because there is a pipeline of this coming from American hospitals, and it has been for a long time.
[J Jay Couey]: Because there is a pipeline of this coming from American hospitals, and it has been for a long time.
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[J Jay Couey]: So are there immortal genes?
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[J Jay Couey]: But I would be willing to bet it's not.
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[J Jay Couey]: Aliquoting is just when you have a sample like sugar
[J Jay Couey]: Aliquoting is just when you have a sample like sugar,
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[J Jay Couey]: And then you decide that you're going to take a really big amount of sugar and you're going to put it into little teaspoon-sized samples so that you can conveniently get a teaspoon whenever you want to.
[J Jay Couey]: and then you decide that you're going to take a really big amount of sugar and you're going to put it into little teaspoon-sized samples so that you can conveniently get a teaspoon whenever you want to.
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[J Jay Couey]: And so aliquoting is something that they say they do when they have this dish full of a virus and then they make it into a lot of small samples and send it all around the world.
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[Charles Kovess]: Thanks, Albert.
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[Charles Kovess]: Good job, Laz.
[Charles Kovess]: Good job. Lars.
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[Stephen Frost]: Charles, can I just ask, David, they have to be what, David?
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[David Rasnick]: Whereas normal human cells always have the exact same composition of 23 and 23, 23 from the mother, 23 from the father.
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[David Rasnick]: Cancer cells never have a balance set.
[David Rasnick]: Cancer cells never have a balanced set.
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[David Rasnick]: And there's no two cancer cells that have the exact same complement of chromosomes.
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[Stephen Frost]: Yeah.
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[David Rasnick]: So if the,
[Stephen Frost]: So if the,
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[Stephen Frost]: So if these things are aneuploid, which you ended up saying, what does that mean?
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[Stephen Frost]: Does that mean that they're disorganized or...?
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[Stephen Frost]: They're unbalanced.
[]: Unbalanced.
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[Stephen Frost]: They're unbalanced.
[Dave Rasnick]: They're unbalanced.
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[Stephen Frost]: And what's the significance of that?
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[David Rasnick]: That's where it comes from.
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[David Rasnick]: So David, why would they use aneuploid cells in your opinion?
[Stephen Frost]: So David, why would they use aneuploid cells in your opinion?
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[David Rasnick]: because you can get them commercially.
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[Stephen Frost]: That's exactly what I was trying to get out of you.
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[David Rasnick]: 99%, at least 99% of the published data using cell lines, they're aneuploid cell lines, and they have really basically nothing to do with reality.
[David Rasnick]: Yeah, 99%, at least 99% of the published data using cell lines, they're aneuploid cell lines, and they have really basically nothing to do with reality.
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[David Rasnick]: So it's fraud then?
[Stephen Frost]: So it's fraud then?
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[David Rasnick]: Well, no.
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[David Rasnick]: Fraud implies that you consciously are trying to mislead.
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[David Rasnick]: Well, maybe they are doing this stuff.
[Stephen Frost]: Well, maybe they are doing this stuff.
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[David Rasnick]: We're going on a little bit too long on this.
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[David Rasnick]: I mean, we're taking away from what I know.
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[Stephen Frost]: I mean, no, David, I'm just trying to.
[Stephen Frost]: I mean, no, David, I'm just trying to...
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[Stephen Frost]: So in the public's mind, I'm just trying to get them to think about it, you know, so all the scientific work on cells is done with these aberrant cells, for lack of a better word, and so maybe all the conclusions that they get from these experiments, which are funded by NIH, I suppose, and they're all invalid and of no interest to humans.
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[David Rasnick]: I'd be happy to do it.
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[David Rasnick]: Oh yes, can you remember what the topic is, though?
[Stephen Frost]: Oh yes, can you remember what the topic is, though?
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[Stephen Frost]: Aneuploidy.
[David Rasnick]: Aneuploidy.
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[Stephen Frost]: You'll have to remind me.
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[Stephen Frost]: So David, if you email me, that will remind me, OK?
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[Stephen Frost]: OK.
[David Rasnick]: OK.
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[Stephen Frost]: Thanks.
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[Stephen Frost]: That's great.
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[Stephen Frost]: Sorry, everybody.
[David Rasnick]: Sorry, everybody.
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[Stephen Frost]: No, it's OK.
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[Stephen Frost]: Otherwise we wouldn't have understood what Annie Broyd meant.
[Stephen Frost]: Otherwise we wouldn't have understood what aneuploid meant.
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[Stephen Frost]: Nobody would have understood.
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[Stephen Frost]: So Lars, it's your go, as far as I can see.
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[Stephen Frost]: Hello, Lars.
[J Jay Couey]: Hello, Lars.
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[Lars Johansson]: Good to see you.
[J Jay Couey]: Good to see you.
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[Lars Johansson]: Hi, good to see you.
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[Lars Johansson]: It's fascinating to follow you.
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[Lars Johansson]: I thought I would ask a question about... Sorry, Lars, whose speech was that?
[Lars Johansson]: I thought I would ask a question about...
[Stephen Frost]: Sorry, Lars, whose speech was that?
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[Lars Johansson]: I'm so sorry.
[Stephen Fros]: I'm so sorry.
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[Lars Johansson]: JJ gave a speech in South Dakota that was very, very good.
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[Lars Johansson]: So I will ask you another question.
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[Lars Johansson]: Are you familiar with Professor Freeman Dyson's criticism of the theory of evolution, where he refers to a Japanese evolutionary biologist called Muto Kimura, who talks about not natural selection, but random genetic drift.
[Lars Johansson]: Are you familiar with Professor Freeman Dyson's criticism of the theory of evolution, where he refers to a Japanese evolutionary biologist called Muto Kimura, who talks about not natural selection, but random genetic drift
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[Lars Johansson]: as being the engine of evolutionary change.
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[Lars Johansson]: Have you seen that?
[Lars Johansson]: Have you seen that? I'll put one...
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[J Jay Couey]: I'll put one... Please put a link in the chat.
[J Jay Couey]: Please put a link in the chat.
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[J Jay Couey]: I am not familiar with it.
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[Lars Johansson]: Honestly, this is me, you know, just... It's actually very, very interesting.
[Lars Johansson]: Honestly, this is me, you know, just...
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[Lars Johansson]: I don't understand it, but you will understand it.
[Lars Johansson]: It's actually very, very interesting. I don't understand it, but you will understand it.
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[Lars Johansson]: So I'll just put it in the chat.
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[Lars Johansson]: Yeah, I got it.
[J Jay Couey]: Yeah, I got it.
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[Lars Johansson]: That's a popular article, but if you follow Professor Kimura, you will read some very interesting stuff, actually.
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[Lars Johansson]: Very good.
[J Jay Couey]: Very good.
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[J Jay Couey]: Oh, this is wonderful.
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[J Jay Couey]: He's a colleague of Robert Oppenheimer.
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[J Jay Couey]: Oh, no.
[J Jay Couey]: Oh, no!
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[J Jay Couey]: It's exactly the same group of men.
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[J Jay Couey]: that has gotten us from the mud puddle billions of years later to us.
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[J Jay Couey]: And that, his reliant on the double-stranded structure and the consequences of the double-stranded existence of it, meaning it can be proofread, and single-stranded RNA by definition lacks that entirely.
[J Jay Couey]: And that, his reliance on the double-stranded structure and the consequences of the double-stranded existence of it, meaning it can be proofread, and single-stranded RNA by definition lacks that entirely.
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[J Jay Couey]: And so the whole foundation of the primacy of genes and DNA and Crick and Watson and all this stuff is based on the remarkable
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[Lars Johansson]: Will he understand?
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[J Jay Couey]: Or will he
[Lars Johansso]: Or will he
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[J Jay Couey]: I would be happy if you would get me a Zoom meeting with him and you and me.
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[Stephen Frost]: Get JJ, the professor from Karolinska, and you, you can be the moderator.
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[Stephen Frost]: And we need to crack through this now.
[Lars Johansson]: And we need to crack through this now.
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[J Jay Couey]: Yeah, we really do need to crash through this.
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[Stephen Frost]: Go and see him.
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[Stephen Frost]: I tried to be nice.
[Lars Johansson]: I tried to be nice.
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[Lars Johansson]: Thank you, JJ.
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[Lars Johansson]: You're very welcome.
[J Jay Couey]: You're very welcome.
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[Charles Kovess]: Very good.
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[J Jay Couey]: Like, I really thought it was I was being the right kind of smart kid, you know, like, hey, I get this question a lot from people and I really want to be able to answer it.
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[J Jay Couey]: And he couldn't give it a very good.
[J Jay Couey]: And he couldn't give it a a very good...
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[J Jay Couey]: He was not prepared for that.
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[J Jay Couey]: Um, it is not entirely ridiculous.
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[J Jay Couey]: And I don't, I don't necessarily disbelieve the idea that, that within the nucleus they were able to identify.
[J Jay Couey]: And I don't, I don't necessarily disbelieve the idea that, that within the nucleus they were able to identify
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[J Jay Couey]: molecules of DNA that seem to correspond to sequences that maybe can be related to proteins, and that central dogma in some way exists.
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[J Jay Couey]: you know, hyper-pure genetic signals, or whatever system that we're looking in, to use that to generalize that, well, it's just a matter of figuring out where all the other moving parts are, and then basically free will will be eliminated, and there's no need to talk about God or spirituality, because we're just a bunch of spinning wheels and bubbling chemicals.
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[J Jay Couey]: And that's the part that I think I was trapped in a lot of my
[J Jay Couey]: And that's the part that I think I was trapped in, a lot of my
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[J Jay Couey]: my colleagues are still trapped in because we all took the same lessons from the same people who already were trapped in it.
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[J Jay Couey]: And that's why I brought up that context of my friend in the Netherlands, because the ceremonial removal of some foreskin is very different to what they do to those babies where they remove it all.
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[J Jay Couey]: There are a lot of kids that have scars from this, because you're not just
[J Jay Couey]: There are a lot of kids that have scars from this, because you're not just...
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[J Jay Couey]: Again, I don't want to be too graphic, but they're two very different amounts of tissue that are removed and what parts are left.
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[Stephen Frost]: And she helped with David Kelly, but also worked on doctors for Assange as well.
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[Stephen Frost]: so she understands.
[Stephen Frost]: So she understands.
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[Stephen Frost]: Oh, Tom, are you next?
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[Stephen Frost]: I think Tom's next, yep.
[J Jay Couey]: I think Tom's next, yep.
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[Tom]: Yeah, I can go.
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[Tom]: So, uh, and maybe if you want, if you'd allow me to do a few things, maybe if you want to interrupt and just answer, uh, endocytosis that was introduced recently to me in a meeting, it just seemed like a good term.
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[Tom]: Cause we need to like tell stories to people that.
[Tom]: Cause we need to like tell stories to people that you know
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[Tom]: that are uninformed and I think that's part of transfection and maybe you could hit on that.
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[Tom]: Oh, and then Michael Palmer speculated
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[Tom]: about the formation of the casts in the you know the long stringy material they pull out of carotid arteries and so forth and he was simply speculating that it's a process of the that's triggered by the irritation of the endothelial
[Tom]: about the formation of the casts in the you know the long stringy material they pull out of carotid arteries and so forth and he was simply speculating that it's a process of the that's triggered by the irritation of the endothelial cells.
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[Tom]: There was a woman that was doing the presentation and her name is Anna S. Ulreich.
[Tom]: There was a woman that was doing the presentation and she's a professor and her name is Anna S. Ulreich.
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[Tom]: I believe Martina, who's here, also watched this.
[Tom]: I believe Martina, who's here, also watched this,
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[Tom]: and she she agreed that that might be the case that and and this was in the context of discussing um i don't know if i mentioned the name but anna um mahalsia who believes that there's um blinky lights and nanobots and emf and
[Tom]: and she she agreed that that might be the case that and and this was in the context of discussing um i don't know if i mentioned the name but Anna Mahalsia who believes that there's um blinky lights and nanobots and emf and
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[Tom]: intra-body communication between the nanopods and oh wow yeah okay that's a good one um yeah well wait let me just oh yeah go ahead look back and say that professor uh anna all right said no no this is just uh this is just crystallization and it's well documented and then after this everyone yeah why don't you comment i have maybe two more and that's it
[Tom]: intra-body communication between the nanopods and
[J Jay Couey]: oh wow yeah okay that's a good one um yeah...
[Tom]: Well wait let me just oh yeah go ahead loop back and say that professor uh Anna Ulreich said no no this is just uh this is just crystallization and it's well documented and then after this everyone yeah why don't you comment i have maybe two more and that's it.
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[J Jay Couey]: Endocytosis is a pretty general word for when two membranes merge and so it oftentimes refers to when a smaller vesicle is taken up by a cell.
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[J Jay Couey]: I think it can be broadly applied.
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[J Jay Couey]: Self-replicating RNA is... DNA.
[J Jay Couey]: Self-replicating RNA is...
[Tom]: DNA.
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[J Jay Couey]: Sorry, but the mRNA is actually what they're doing in Japan.
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[J Jay Couey]: I don't think it's... Oh, okay.
[J Jay Couey]: I don't think it's...
[Tom]: Oh, okay.
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[J Jay Couey]: All right.
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[J Jay Couey]: If anything, to me, quite honestly, I would say, Tom, that this almost seems to edify the idea that
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[J Jay Couey]: They have known that there are self-replicating RNA signals that have a limited spectrum of coverage in our families or in our conspecific groups or in our classrooms that occasionally manifest in respiratory disease and other, you know, maybe what appear to be contagions, but the fidelity and endurance and ability for these things and signals to sustain themselves over thousands or millions or billions of people is ridiculous.
[J Jay Couey]: they have known that there are self-replicating RNA signals that have a limited spectrum of coverage in our families or in our conspecific groups or in our classrooms that occasionally manifest in respiratory disease and other, you know, maybe what appear to be contagions, but the fidelity and endurance and ability for these things and signals to sustain themselves over thousands or millions or billions of people is ridiculous.
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[J Jay Couey]: And so we're at a stage now where they have always been trying to play with this system.
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[J Jay Couey]: And so I have to believe that this is almost exclusively exaggeration, and that's why
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[J Jay Couey]: You know, the details of it and the discussion of it is not really framed in what I feel like is any different than gain-of-function viruses.
[J Jay Couey]: you know, the details of it and the discussion of it is not really framed in what I feel like is any different than gain-of-function viruses.
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[J Jay Couey]: So Michael Palmer's saying it's an irritation of the endothelium.
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[J Jay Couey]: Remember that, in case you have forgotten,
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[J Jay Couey]: The transfection agents that are listed in all of the papers previous to the pandemic, one of the the.
[J Jay Couey]: the transfection agents that are listed in all of the papers previous to the pandemic, one of the the
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[J Jay Couey]: The overarching themes was that where they went was then where they meant them to go.
[J Jay Couey]: the overarching themes was that where they went was then where they meant them to go.
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[J Jay Couey]: So when lipid nanoparticles first came out and they started using them, they realized that almost all of them went to the liver.
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[J Jay Couey]: So the first thing they said was, hey, these are liver targeting lipid nanoparticles, even though it had nothing to do with targeting the liver, it's just where they mostly went.
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[J Jay Couey]: And another place that they went that they said that they could be useful for was platelets.
[J Jay Couey]: And another place that they went that they said that they could be useful for was platelets,
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[J Jay Couey]: lipid nanoparticles go to platelets for some reason and many of them do and so that could also be a cell type that's irritated here and of course platelets being irritated would very quickly get you to the clotting mechanism.
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[J Jay Couey]: So I think Sukrit Bhakti would be better to talk about that than me and then the nanobot light lady
[J Jay Couey]: So I think Sucharit Bhakti would be better to talk about that than me and then the nanobot light lady
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[J Jay Couey]: drove me bananas in the same way that a guy by the name of Kevin McCairn, who also put a bunch of stuff under a light microscope and then said he found or didn't find things.
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[J Jay Couey]: The first and foremost thing to remember about light microscopy is that if you don't know how they did it, the chances of them seeing something that is significant versus something that's random, it's almost always going to be something random.
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[J Jay Couey]: Light microscopy can make dust look interesting, it can make dirt look interesting, it can make dirt look alive.
[J Jay Couey]: Light microscopy can make dust look interesting, it can make dirt look interesting, it can make dirt look alive,
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[J Jay Couey]: and it can make dirt look sparkly, especially if the field of view is adjusted in such a way that things are coming in and out of the field of view, and the light source is angled in such a way that things can move in and out of the light source, you can have things look like they're sparkling.
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[J Jay Couey]: I don't know what they call it anymore, but I don't know.
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[J Jay Couey]: MAC address.
[Tom]: MAC address.
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[J Jay Couey]: Yeah, MAC address, that's right.
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[Tom]: And so he says, no graphene, and so does the professor Ulreich.
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[Tom]: And then just test me on this my understanding of the nanolipid particles is that each molecule in the Each molecule is on the order of 2,000 atomic weight, you know, like on the periodic table atomic weight and that these molecules Have dipoles and they get vibrated and then they self assemble into the larger
[Tom]: And then just test me on this my understanding of the nanolipid particles is that each molecule in the...each molecule is on the order of 2,000 atomic weight, you know, like on the periodic table atomic weight and that these molecules Have dipoles and they get vibrated and then they self assemble into the larger
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[Tom]: 50 to nanometer Nanolipid particles and interleaved in there now.
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[Tom]: I I heard it was in some cases I heard multiple strands of mRNA and other cases.
[Tom]: I heard it was in some cases I heard multiple strands of mRNA and other cases.
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[Tom]: I just heard one I don't know so there's that and then here's a thought experiment.
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[Stephen Frost]: Are you happy with that, Tom?
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[Stephen Frost]: Yeah.
[Tom]: Yeah.
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[Stephen Frost]: Very good.
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[Stephen Frost]: Well, Craig Pardecouper had his hand up, but I'm not even sure he's on the call now.
[Stephen Frost]: Well, Craig Paardekooper had his hand up, but I'm not even sure he's on the call now.
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[Stephen Frost]: Yeah, so one of the things that was really impressed on us as children at school, JJ, was the discovery by Watson and Crick of the double helix and the structure of DNA
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[J Jay Couey]: And now, in the context of what's happened in the last five years, I'm thinking, hmm, I wonder why that assumes such incredible... You should really look, if you chase down anything, what you ought to do is chase down the writings of Watson in his later life, because he almost feels like he's trying to admit it.
[J Jay Couey]: And now, in the context of what's happened in the last five years, I'm thinking, hmm, I wonder why that assumes such incredible...
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[J Jay Couey]: like he regrets it.
[J Jay Couey]: You should really look, if you chase down anything, what you ought to do is chase down the writings of Watson in his later life, because he almost feels like he's trying to admit it, like he regrets it.
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[J Jay Couey]: Watson, in particular, I found.
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[J Jay Couey]: Yeah, well, I think what it did was that it unfortunately gives credence to the idea that
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[J Jay Couey]: Maybe we need to be governed this way, that we need to be bred.
[J Jay Couey]: maybe we need to be governed this way, that we need to be bred,
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[J Jay Couey]: and that it's worthwhile to do that.
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[Stephen Frost]: What exactly was he afraid of?
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[J Jay Couey]: Well, this idea that what I think Schrodinger is also hinting at, that all they had to do was find justification.
[J Jay Couey]: Well, this idea that what I think Schrodinger is also hinting at, that all they had to do was find justification
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[J Jay Couey]: to think that life boils down to physics and chemistry, and this was the justification that they needed.
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[J Jay Couey]: I grew up in a world where it was okay not to care about God and I was weird because I was Catholic.
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[J Jay Couey]: So Watson was upset that his research with Prick was going to lead to some people
[Stephen Frosty]: So Watson was upset that his research with Crick was going to lead to some people
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[Stephen Frost]: saying that life was just about chemistry and physics and nothing to do with God, is that what you're saying?
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[J Jay Couey]: I am saying that and I'm saying that there were people in the Catholic Church who were waiting to say it, that wanted to say it, that essentially we had not reached the final divine form of humankind and that this was the revelation we needed.
[J Jay Couey]: I am saying that, and I'm saying that there were people in the Catholic Church who were waiting to say it, that wanted to say it, that essentially we had not reached the final divine form of humankind and that this was the revelation we needed.
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[J Jay Couey]: So why would people in the Catholic Church be saying that?
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[J Jay Couey]: So I guess if you want to go down that path, that's really one of the things to realize, is that all the Catholics that think this are Jesuits, for better or for worse, that's it.
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[J Jay Couey]: This is the King Jesuit, this Desjardins guy.
[J Jay Couey]: This is the King Jesuit, this de Chardin guy.
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[J Jay Couey]: He's wrote in a lot of books.
[J Jay Couey]: He's quoted in a lot of books.
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[J Jay Couey]: One of them is called The Future of Man.
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[Stephen Frost]: in their importance more at the expense of God.
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[J Jay Couey]: Is that correct?
[
stephen Frost]: Is that correct?
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[J Jay Couey]: Maybe, or maybe people could be governed that way.
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[J Jay Couey]: That's the argument that this guy has been making since the 30s, that
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[J Jay Couey]: Then Julian Huxley published and then Julian Huxley went on to write this man and his future book like 10 years later with people like Hilary Koprowski and Herman Muller and all the same ideas are in there.
[J Jay Couey]: then Julian Huxley published and then Julian Huxley went on to write this Man and His Future book like 10 years later with people like Hilary Koprowski and Herman Muller and all the same ideas are in there.
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[J Jay Couey]: It's all the same concept of determinist biology that goes right down to the individual molecules and so we just, you know, people are not people.
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[Stephen Frost]: And then Aldous Huxley comes along and writes
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[Stephen Frost]: Brave New World, which is his brother, right?
[Stephen Frost]: Brave New World,
[J Jay Couey]: Which is his brother, right?
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[Stephen Frost]: That's Julian's brother.
[j Jay Couey]: That's Julian's brother I mean it's...
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[Stephen Frost]: I mean, it's correct.
[Stephen Frost]: Correct.
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[Stephen Frost]: And then he also writes Brave New World Revisited, about 30 years after the publication of Brave New World.
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[J Jay Couey]: And I think it's because you've accepted this three-gear model.
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[J Jay Couey]: You're frozen.
[Dave Collum]: You're frozen.
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[J Jay Couey]: I don't know if it's my computer or yours.
[Dave Collum]: I don't know if it's my computer or yours.
02:30:49.020 --> 02:30:50.501
[J Jay Couey]: My whole computer's frozen.
[Dave Collum]: My whole computer's frozen.
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[J Jay Couey]: You sound a lot like Brett Weinstein.
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[Dave Collum]: you're all still let me find another room.
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[Dave Collum]: Oh, no, he missed.
J Jay Couey]: Oh, no, he missed.
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[Dave Collum]: No, I heard I heard no, I heard I heard basically a response when I was I was a genetics major, which is now a 45 year old antiquated degree.
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[Dave Collum]: Right.
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[Dave Collum]: And so I happen to work in a field of chemistry that turned out almost every paper we ever published, I showed someone was wrong, but they were trying to get it right.
[Dave Collum]: And so I happen to work in a field of chemistry that turned out where almost every paper we ever published, I showed someone was wrong, but they were trying to get it right.
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[Dave Collum]: And they were not, they were not wrong in the sense that the whole thing had to be reversed.
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[Dave Collum]: And so I think there's things
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[J Jay Couey]: It's a darny shape.
[J Jay Couey]: It's oh darn he shape.
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[J Jay Couey]: He's rose again.
[J Jay Couey]: He froze again.
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[Dave Collum]: Um, I want to, Oh, possibly understand right now because we don't, I don't know.
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[Dave Collum]: So I don't have any problems with the things you guys talked about.
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[Dave Collum]: the reluctance to look for nefarious things from the 1930s.
[Dave Collum]: I just, the reluctance to look for nefarious things from the 1930s.
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[Dave Collum]: And I don't think they were, you know, the circumcision.
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[Dave Collum]: This was completely new to me.
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[Dave Collum]: The idea that you use foreskins to advantage doesn't negate the fact that it might actually be biologically, health-wise, an improvement than not have a foreskin.
[Dave Collum]: The idea that you use foreskins to advantage doesn't negate the fact that it might actually be biologically, health-wise, an improvement to not have a foreskin.
02:36:35.218 --> 02:36:41.104
[Dave Collum]: And so you don't have to turn it into a, oh, those bastards, they're clipping kid six off because they want the foreskin.
[Dave Collum]: And so you don't have to turn it into a, oh, those bastards, they're clipping kid's dicks off because they want the foreskin.
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[Dave Collum]: It can be that someone said, hey, we could use that.
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[J Jay Couey]: Yep.
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[J Jay Couey]: And I don't mean socially complex.
[Dave Collum]: And I don't mean socially complex.
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[J Jay Couey]: It's really crazy.
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[Stephen Frost]: very prominent positions in the new British government, and those three, the Daily Mail,
02:39:01.755 --> 02:39:04.077
[Stephen Frost]: which is a well-known newspaper in the UK.
[Stephen Frost]: which is a well-known newspaper in the UK,
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[Stephen Frost]: They've been aware for quite some time that all three of those people in prominent positions in the UK, I think it's a conflict of interest when you consider that children are being taught what they are being taught, apparently, in British schools.
[Stephen Frost]: they've been aware for quite some time that all three of those people in prominent positions in the UK, I think it's a conflict of interest when you consider that children are being taught what they are being taught, apparently, in British schools.
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[Stephen Frost]: All three of them have transgender children.
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[Dave Collum]: And I think there are fields of science where the fraud is much more prevalent than others.
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[Dave Collum]: Those happen to be the fields where the stakes for committing the fraud are very high or it's easy.
[Dave Collum]: Those happen to be the fields where the stakes for committing the fraud are very high or it's easy,
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[Dave Collum]: Like in biochem, you can win a Nobel Prize by faking stuff if you are clever enough to do it.
[Dave Collum]: like in biochem, you can win a Nobel Prize by faking stuff if you are clever enough to do it.
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[Dave Collum]: But
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[Dave Collum]: Yeah.
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[J Jay Couey]: Can anybody creep and say I have to go?
[J Jay Couey]: Can I be a creep and say I have to go?
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[J Jay Couey]: I'm sorry.
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[Dave Collum]: See you on Twitter.
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[Dave Collum]: Dave, you know each other, do you?
[Stephen Frost]: Dave, you know each other, do you?
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[J Jay Couey]: A little bit.
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[Dave Collum]: How's that?
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[J Jay Couey]: I think he's heard me yell at Herod von den Bosch once about T-cells a long time ago.
[J Jay Couey]: I think he's heard me yell at Geert von den Bosch once about T-cells a long time ago.
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[J Jay Couey]: That's how we cross paths first.
[J Jay Couey]: That's how we crossed paths first.
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[Stephen Frost]: I am.
[Stephen Frost]: Ah yes.
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[Stephen Frost]: So you know he's a professor of chemistry then, Dave?
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