From 7019c1ae8b6007ec7b34223df701b672b6dbb3cb Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Soothspider Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 11:02:51 -0700 Subject: [PATCH] AI Captions - March 19 - William M Briggs --- ...William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024).vtt | 2501 +++++++++++++++++ .../README.md | 5 + 2 files changed, 2506 insertions(+) create mode 100755 twitch/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024)/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024).vtt create mode 100644 twitch/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024)/README.md diff --git a/twitch/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024)/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024).vtt b/twitch/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024)/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024).vtt new file mode 100755 index 0000000..4d9253a --- /dev/null +++ b/twitch/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024)/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024).vtt @@ -0,0 +1,2501 @@ +WEBVTT + +00:00.000 --> 00:24.880 +That brings in a house! + +00:24.880 --> 00:29.440 +I'm so excited I can freak. + +00:29.440 --> 00:35.280 +Not just this muscle car that gets me excited, it's my guest today. + +00:35.280 --> 00:38.080 +Sooth spider is in the in the chat already. + +00:38.080 --> 00:40.760 +Look at that, garden variety human. + +00:40.760 --> 00:41.760 +That should be good. + +00:41.760 --> 00:45.600 +Just give me a sound check if you're in the chat already, please, for this one. + +00:45.600 --> 00:49.040 +Just to make sure everybody's lined up, it should be okay, I just started it. + +00:49.040 --> 00:52.480 +Thank you there, sir. + +00:52.480 --> 00:56.800 +And yes, we are speaking to William M. Briggs today. + +00:56.800 --> 01:01.840 +He is a member of this broken science initiative, it's my first BSI guest. + +01:01.840 --> 01:08.360 +If you didn't follow my directive yesterday and go and overload the website of brokenscience.org + +01:08.360 --> 01:14.000 +with your signups, please do it today so that Emily and Greg get a little blip in their + +01:14.000 --> 01:18.640 +website traffic and they see when we mention us, it would be really great to show them + +01:18.640 --> 01:30.800 +the power of gigo-on-biological. + +01:30.800 --> 01:41.840 +Matt, you may recognize Rodney Mullen here in this little spin. + +01:41.840 --> 01:44.400 +Oh, yeah. + +01:44.400 --> 01:45.960 +Guys, it's sweetheart. + +01:45.960 --> 01:46.960 +Oh, my goodness. + +01:46.960 --> 01:51.920 +Did you know that he got surgery on his spine and now he can stand up straight like skating + +01:51.920 --> 01:58.040 +again like differently and he's got to relearn everything now because his body moves again. + +01:58.040 --> 01:59.040 +It's crazy. + +01:59.040 --> 02:01.040 +I'll be thought, no, I have no idea. + +02:01.040 --> 02:04.240 +Apparently he's got like three more inches on him though. + +02:04.240 --> 02:11.800 +I'm afraid that the latest data tells us that we're dealing with essentially... + +02:11.800 --> 02:16.760 +I want you to go meet my friend Mark on this show that's now on the screen after this. + +02:16.760 --> 02:24.000 +I think he's a really good guy and you guys would be good acquaintances, I think. + +02:24.000 --> 02:25.000 +Sure. + +02:25.000 --> 02:28.000 +And he's got readers that watch him, you know, so you're a book guy. + +02:28.000 --> 02:33.240 +I mean, he's got readers. + +02:33.240 --> 02:38.680 +Not that my viewers don't read, I'm not saying that, but Mark has got some really studious + +02:38.680 --> 02:39.680 +followers. + +02:39.680 --> 02:42.320 +I really like Mark. + +02:42.320 --> 02:44.480 +I think truth is good for kids. + +02:44.480 --> 02:48.720 +We're so busy lying, we don't even recognize the truth no more in society. + +02:48.720 --> 02:50.920 +We want everybody to feel good. + +02:50.920 --> 02:55.240 +That's not the way life is. + +02:55.240 --> 03:00.960 +But you can tell if someone's lying, you know, you can sort of feel it in people. + +03:00.960 --> 03:01.960 +And I have lied. + +03:01.960 --> 03:02.960 +I'm sure I'll lie again. + +03:02.960 --> 03:05.520 +I don't want to lie, you know, and I don't think I'm a liar. + +03:05.520 --> 03:06.600 +I try not to be a liar. + +03:06.600 --> 03:08.000 +I don't want to be a liar. + +03:08.000 --> 03:14.320 +I think it's like really important not to be a liar. + +03:14.320 --> 03:30.400 +Ah, ladies and gentlemen, I'm so excited to be here today and have this show running + +03:30.400 --> 03:37.680 +in the afternoon working in sync with my family and I just feels really good to start + +03:37.680 --> 03:44.280 +the stream in the afternoon and so I'm really happy that we've got Matt on the show. + +03:44.280 --> 03:45.280 +Just a few more seconds. + +03:45.280 --> 03:50.720 +I got to get this, the recording in the background running, so I'm going to keep this intro going + +03:50.720 --> 03:51.720 +as usual. + +03:51.720 --> 04:01.160 +It's like one more minute or so, I think I'm in it 20 seconds. + +04:01.160 --> 04:09.160 +If you are joining us for the first time, this is Giga Ohm Biological. + +04:09.160 --> 04:14.520 +It's a high-resistance low-noise information brief brought to you by a biologist. + +04:14.520 --> 04:20.000 +We are based in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in the back of a rented garage and yeah, that's + +04:20.000 --> 04:24.120 +the state of knowledge and information in our world. + +04:24.120 --> 04:27.440 +We're basically working to dispel an enchantment. + +04:27.440 --> 04:33.880 +It is an enchantment that has been laid down a long time ago and laid down deep and thick. + +04:33.880 --> 04:38.320 +If you have been following me for a while, you're here at the top of the wave where we + +04:38.320 --> 04:41.120 +are staying focused on the biology. + +04:41.120 --> 04:45.680 +We don't take the bait on TV and social media and we love our neighbors. + +04:45.680 --> 04:52.320 +The way it works is that people share this work and some people even financially contribute + +04:52.320 --> 04:56.400 +and slowly biology finds new people and more people wake up. + +04:56.400 --> 04:57.400 +That's my plan anyway. + +04:57.400 --> 05:03.440 +You can find me at GigaOhm Biological.com and you should be watching at stream.gigohm.vial + +05:03.440 --> 05:09.000 +if you're not already, which is the new place that I'm trying to store all these videos. + +05:09.000 --> 05:16.120 +I think it's working out really well thanks to our supporter and follower Ted on the other + +05:16.120 --> 05:17.280 +side of the planet. + +05:17.280 --> 05:20.440 +Mike Vandenberg, mixed date. + +05:20.440 --> 05:24.960 +These are the people that make Giga Ohm Biological possible including all of the subscribers + +05:24.960 --> 05:31.440 +that are giving some small or large amount monthly or even per year. + +05:31.440 --> 05:36.720 +There are also sub-stack subscribers that have recently joined the fight and it's been + +05:36.720 --> 05:42.760 +really a privilege to see how far we can get with this. + +05:42.760 --> 05:48.600 +I hope that we can continue to bring this biology to the masses. + +05:48.600 --> 05:50.120 +This is the independent bright web. + +05:50.120 --> 05:55.960 +It's the opposite of the intellectual dark web which is this loosely organized group + +05:55.960 --> 06:01.560 +of influencers that was put in place before the pandemic to control the narrative, if + +06:01.560 --> 06:07.440 +you will, to set this limited spectrum of debate that we are all trapped within. + +06:07.440 --> 06:11.280 +But it's actually an illusion that is sustained only through your active participation. + +06:11.280 --> 06:14.840 +You can drop your own hand from your own eyes and escape. + +06:14.840 --> 06:16.800 +It is just a question of non-compliance. + +06:16.800 --> 06:20.640 +You've got to actually accept that you've been lied to. + +06:20.640 --> 06:26.400 +And I think one of the most exciting things about broken science is that it really, although + +06:26.400 --> 06:33.600 +to steal a phrase from Greg, it may not be for everybody, but it is for anybody to understand + +06:33.600 --> 06:42.200 +how science has been distorted, has been essentially co-opted into something that no longer is + +06:42.200 --> 06:50.400 +a real pursuit of knowledge, but it's instead a pursuit of noise or the creation of noise + +06:50.400 --> 06:58.640 +and I hope that somebody has sophisticated, unlike me, William M. Briggs is going to + +06:58.640 --> 07:05.080 +be able to help us get through this because the distortion of science and the pursuit + +07:05.080 --> 07:10.160 +of knowledge has been an integral part of the conscious and intelligent manipulation + +07:10.160 --> 07:14.840 +of the organized habits and opinions of the masses, and it is an important element of + +07:14.840 --> 07:15.840 +how we are governed. + +07:15.840 --> 07:22.760 +In fact, I would argue it is a primary way by which we are governed, and as a recovering + +07:22.760 --> 07:30.660 +academic biologist, I really feel as though I have a unique, sad insight into how distorted + +07:30.660 --> 07:38.560 +one's mind can become if you pursue questions based on this reiterative, preparean, questioning + +07:38.560 --> 07:44.760 +mechanism, and don't realize how easily that can spin out of control and stop producing + +07:44.760 --> 07:49.040 +knowledge and instead produce noise. + +07:49.040 --> 07:52.840 +I believe that's how the intellectual dark web works, and I believe that's how they've + +07:52.840 --> 07:58.800 +essentially removed our ability to exercise informed consent with almost anything with + +07:58.800 --> 08:03.600 +regard to socioeconomic status and also with regard to public health, with regard to the + +08:03.600 --> 08:04.840 +education of our children. + +08:04.840 --> 08:11.280 +We're just so clueless that we just don't have the ability to exercise informed consent + +08:11.280 --> 08:12.280 +anymore. + +08:12.280 --> 08:20.400 +And one of the primary bats with with barbed wire wrapped around it is this use of academic + +08:20.400 --> 08:26.160 +science to create the illusion of knowledge that can then be used against us in a technocratic + +08:26.160 --> 08:27.160 +sort of way. + +08:27.160 --> 08:30.240 +Oh my gosh, I'm still talking. + +08:30.240 --> 08:31.240 +Let me see. + +08:31.240 --> 08:32.440 +I got him over here. + +08:32.440 --> 08:33.440 +Yes. + +08:33.440 --> 08:34.440 +Good. + +08:34.440 --> 08:38.120 +I'm going to put this down and I'm going to shut this music off and I'm going to say hello + +08:38.120 --> 08:46.040 +to my good friend, William M. Briggs, actually Matt and I met on a beach and it was very + +08:46.040 --> 08:47.040 +romantic. + +08:47.040 --> 08:54.200 +Matt was overdressed for the beach and I was flying my kite and I don't know. + +08:54.200 --> 08:57.320 +We later met at another meeting and so it was wonderful. + +08:57.320 --> 09:00.280 +We've been friends since. + +09:00.280 --> 09:01.280 +I don't know. + +09:01.280 --> 09:02.280 +Go ahead and introduce yourself. + +09:02.280 --> 09:08.080 +Tell us what you're up to and then we'll just, I don't know, randomly discuss our clean + +09:08.080 --> 09:09.080 +eyes. + +09:09.080 --> 09:13.400 +You know, Greg Glassman and Emily Capin, like you said, the broken science thing. + +09:13.400 --> 09:19.680 +They found me and I've been delighted to be able to have found them in return and people + +09:19.680 --> 09:21.600 +like yourself. + +09:21.600 --> 09:26.240 +There's a core group of people who understand what's going on and what's going wrong with + +09:26.240 --> 09:28.080 +science, I should say. + +09:28.080 --> 09:32.960 +It's not everybody like you say, like Greg says, but it is, it is some people anyway + +09:32.960 --> 09:41.400 +and we, we are trying to gather together and at least speak to those willing to listen + +09:41.400 --> 09:45.520 +about what we think is wrong with science and how we could go about fixing it. + +09:45.520 --> 09:50.800 +And my background is like yourself, recovering academic, you know, I started off in academia. + +09:50.800 --> 09:59.440 +I was in the, I was in the Department of Medicine at Cornell University, you know, the med school. + +09:59.440 --> 10:02.000 +I was a statistician there, bio statistician there. + +10:02.000 --> 10:05.880 +I'm sorry, but my favorite part is the fact that you were a meteorologist because when + +10:05.880 --> 10:10.640 +I was a child, when I was a child, I thought that the weather was also very fascinating. + +10:10.640 --> 10:13.640 +And I sat outside in, in thunderstorms and stuff. + +10:13.640 --> 10:19.560 +I thought that tornado warnings were kind of cool and my parents never understood it. + +10:19.560 --> 10:22.040 +But I just, I was never afraid of these things. + +10:22.040 --> 10:25.360 +I just thought they were interesting. + +10:25.360 --> 10:31.640 +The reason I got involved, I was in the Air Force a long time ago doing cryptography. + +10:31.680 --> 10:37.360 +And I was wondering, should I go get out of the Air Force and do something more useful + +10:37.360 --> 10:38.920 +with my life? + +10:38.920 --> 10:44.760 +And at that time, this was in the late 80s, early 90s, global warming as it was called + +10:44.760 --> 10:46.360 +then was the thing. + +10:46.360 --> 10:48.400 +And I thought, hey, this is, this is interesting. + +10:48.400 --> 10:53.280 +And I sort of, and I wrote some of the people and the original IPCC, the Intergovernmental + +10:53.280 --> 10:58.360 +Panel on Climate Change, some of the scientists involved in that. + +10:58.360 --> 11:03.360 +And I was just this, nobody sergeant at a cadina Air Force base in Okinawa. + +11:03.360 --> 11:06.600 +I said, hey, can I read this, this in that paper? + +11:06.600 --> 11:12.920 +And this one gentleman sent it to me and to my surprise, I could read it. + +11:12.920 --> 11:15.920 +So I thought, you know what, maybe I better get out and do something about this. + +11:15.920 --> 11:16.920 +It seems so important. + +11:16.920 --> 11:18.480 +And I, I bought all this stuff. + +11:18.480 --> 11:24.560 +I mean, I thought it was just as dire and, and calamitous as was being predicted and + +11:24.560 --> 11:27.560 +so forth because I was young and naive. + +11:27.600 --> 11:33.920 +But I, I progressed through my studies and my specialty actually, I got my Ph.D. + +11:33.920 --> 11:36.120 +and not, not in atmospheric physics. + +11:36.120 --> 11:41.120 +I got, that was my masters, but I got, I did mathematical statistics. + +11:41.120 --> 11:44.960 +And the reason is, I was interested in models. + +11:44.960 --> 11:45.960 +What makes a good model? + +11:45.960 --> 11:50.920 +What makes a good climate model, medical model, biological model, any of these kind of models? + +11:50.920 --> 11:53.280 +And how do you tell if it's good or bad? + +11:53.280 --> 11:57.400 +And that involves probability and uncertainty and all this kind of a thing. + +11:57.400 --> 12:03.480 +So that's how I slowly became a skeptic, the more I learned about how uncertainty really + +12:03.480 --> 12:12.520 +works and how, about how over certain everything that they pushing at us is, and not everything + +12:12.520 --> 12:17.040 +I should say, you know, you know, we have a pretty good understanding of the way capacitors + +12:17.040 --> 12:20.120 +work, for instance, and so forth. + +12:20.120 --> 12:21.880 +But these are not political things. + +12:21.880 --> 12:28.160 +It's all the stuff that turned political that the over certainty is vast as we've learned + +12:28.160 --> 12:31.960 +to our, you know, sadness this last four years. + +12:31.960 --> 12:33.200 +Right, right. + +12:33.200 --> 12:37.680 +I think over certain is a, is a wonderful way to really overlaps with how I've been saying + +12:37.680 --> 12:42.640 +it is that you can almost, you should immediately be skeptical of anyone who's certain and then + +12:42.640 --> 12:48.920 +even more if they're certain about a very simple explanation for a complex thing. + +12:48.920 --> 12:54.040 +And oftentimes I've started with that basis of interpreting the pandemic, for example, + +12:54.040 --> 13:00.760 +is it just can't be this simple that somebody spilled something in Wuhan and now it's everywhere. + +13:00.760 --> 13:10.640 +And so anyway, what do you think from the perspective of the broad picture, how can we, + +13:10.640 --> 13:14.160 +in your experience, you know, you're selling, you're selling a couple books, which I just + +13:14.160 --> 13:16.400 +put up before it, I don't mean it to say it in a bad way. + +13:16.400 --> 13:22.760 +I mean it to say it in a good way that, that he is capable of putting down his thoughts + +13:22.760 --> 13:25.480 +in a way that I can't and has done it several times. + +13:25.480 --> 13:30.240 +I actually, I don't, I, somewhere I can't find everything you believe is wrong book. + +13:30.240 --> 13:35.360 +I know I have it, but for some reason I couldn't find it to put on the screen, but I do have + +13:35.360 --> 13:36.720 +the book on certainty. + +13:36.720 --> 13:43.000 +And I think because that's the one I have, that's the only one I've read. + +13:43.000 --> 13:45.440 +That's this one here. + +13:45.440 --> 13:53.840 +How do we get people interested in this philosophical level of science in a way that, you know, + +13:53.840 --> 14:01.920 +most people won't be, you know, I mean, they'll be interested in the more practical matters + +14:01.920 --> 14:06.080 +of here's what these people are trying to sell you and here's why it's wrong. + +14:06.080 --> 14:10.640 +I mean, we could clearly see that they're trying to manipulate you into taking certain + +14:10.640 --> 14:15.560 +medications and so forth or they're trying to, they're trying to tell you a certain + +14:15.560 --> 14:16.560 +thing. + +14:16.560 --> 14:20.160 +Tomorrow I have a thing on gas stoves, now they're going after gas stoves even as they + +14:20.160 --> 14:21.960 +tell you they're not going to. + +14:21.960 --> 14:25.080 +They want to tell you that they're bad for the, the environment of their bad for your + +14:25.080 --> 14:26.760 +health and that kind of stuff. + +14:26.760 --> 14:31.920 +So we could show that those kinds of claims are wrong and that's enough for most people + +14:31.920 --> 14:33.320 +and that's fine. + +14:33.320 --> 14:38.960 +But if you want to know why those things are wrong, how it is that the scientists themselves + +14:39.960 --> 14:46.880 +beyond simple matters like fraud and lying and so forth, which we see a lot from top experts + +14:46.880 --> 14:51.720 +and rulers and the like, but most scientists are sincere in their beliefs. + +14:51.720 --> 14:57.040 +They're just vastly over certain or they're wrong, but they don't know how they're being + +14:57.040 --> 14:58.200 +wrong. + +14:58.200 --> 15:01.720 +And that's the level at which we need to fix science. + +15:01.720 --> 15:06.160 +Now a lot of people can just, you know, follow along, they can gain entry to, you know, podcasts + +15:06.160 --> 15:07.960 +like yours and so forth. + +15:07.960 --> 15:08.960 +The woman found it. + +15:08.960 --> 15:10.760 +Others that show what things are doing wrong. + +15:10.760 --> 15:11.760 +That's the other one. + +15:11.760 --> 15:13.760 +The woman found it. + +15:13.760 --> 15:14.760 +Thank you. + +15:14.760 --> 15:19.760 +And then we can get people to sort of grasp these more fundamental things, but they are + +15:19.760 --> 15:21.160 +more difficult. + +15:21.160 --> 15:25.280 +You know, I mean, it's, it's, you were there, we were all there last week or a week and + +15:25.280 --> 15:26.280 +a half ago. + +15:26.280 --> 15:31.680 +I guess we were out in back in Arizona for another epistemological boot camp or I guess + +15:31.680 --> 15:36.200 +we called it and they were difficult subjects being broached. + +15:36.200 --> 15:41.200 +You know, what, what is the nature of probability if we're speaking of uncertainty, we must + +15:41.200 --> 15:42.200 +use probability. + +15:42.200 --> 15:46.360 +How do we, how do we then understand what probability is and so forth and how does that + +15:46.360 --> 15:51.040 +relate across a broad range of sciences, everything from, you know, medicine biology all the way + +15:51.040 --> 15:56.920 +to astrophysics, fundamental quantum probability and all those kind of a thing. + +15:56.920 --> 15:58.200 +So it's difficult. + +15:58.200 --> 16:02.440 +We're not going to get everybody along and that kind of a thing, but we can get people + +16:02.440 --> 16:09.280 +to understand that because people are using these procedures that they think is guaranteeing + +16:09.280 --> 16:16.760 +them certainty or not, we could just show that they're wrong on that kind of a thing. + +16:16.760 --> 16:22.560 +Whether they get delved deeper into the mechanics of why exactly it's wrong, that's, that's, + +16:22.560 --> 16:25.280 +that's going to be only for a fraction of people, I think. + +16:25.280 --> 16:31.920 +Do you think that, um, one of the things that struck me years ago already was that, um, + +16:31.920 --> 16:36.560 +in neuroscience, there was this time, I, I, I've been in neuroscience, I was in neuroscience + +16:36.560 --> 16:38.520 +for around 18 years. + +16:38.520 --> 16:46.120 +And when I started in neuroscience, I noticed that there was this momentum in the acquisition + +16:46.120 --> 16:47.480 +of physicists. + +16:47.480 --> 16:52.680 +And the reason why was because physicists could make simple models and models were what + +16:52.680 --> 17:00.520 +every, every, uh, every biology's journal wanted you to have a model with a little neuronal + +17:00.520 --> 17:05.680 +network that showed how your data was relevant to brain function. + +17:05.680 --> 17:12.720 +And because these physicists had this toolbox, you could just bring them in to a, to a department + +17:12.720 --> 17:18.560 +and they could be on every paper that needed a model and every paper needs a model in this, + +17:18.560 --> 17:21.040 +in this, in this kind of scheme. + +17:21.040 --> 17:25.120 +And I was struck by how, what are they doing like transport models and the like that kind + +17:25.120 --> 17:26.120 +of thing. + +17:26.120 --> 17:31.360 +So just simple network models that show that, you know, something, some connection could + +17:31.360 --> 17:32.360 +be relevant. + +17:32.360 --> 17:40.000 +Um, it, to me, it's really just a question of again, how are we using them and are we + +17:40.000 --> 17:45.440 +using them to advance our understanding or are we using them to, to, I don't know, + +17:45.440 --> 17:50.800 +obfuscate obfuscate or, or, or, or to add complexity for the sake of, for the sake of + +17:50.800 --> 17:53.080 +complexity, which turns it into science. + +17:53.080 --> 17:54.080 +It's funny. + +17:54.080 --> 17:58.080 +You mentioned it's just a week ago or two weeks ago that somebody had a paper out that + +17:58.080 --> 18:00.440 +looked at literature papers of all things. + +18:00.440 --> 18:02.440 +And I guess these are spoof papers. + +18:02.440 --> 18:06.840 +They had regular papers and then they had the same papers, but they had equations in them. + +18:06.840 --> 18:10.960 +And the ones that had equations in them just for no reason were the ones that were viewed + +18:10.960 --> 18:12.400 +as a much more scientific. + +18:12.400 --> 18:13.400 +Oh, yeah. + +18:13.400 --> 18:14.400 +Wow. + +18:14.400 --> 18:15.400 +That, that's the level of stuff. + +18:15.400 --> 18:16.400 +I mean, it's easy to create a lot. + +18:16.400 --> 18:20.800 +I mean, not, not everybody can do it, but once you, once you learn how it's, it's trivial + +18:20.800 --> 18:23.000 +to create models. + +18:23.000 --> 18:24.640 +That's one of the problems. + +18:24.640 --> 18:25.640 +It's, it's too easy. + +18:25.640 --> 18:26.640 +Science is too easy. + +18:26.640 --> 18:33.200 +It's, it's difficult to understand that maybe, but because science is so easy to do now in + +18:33.200 --> 18:36.200 +a lot. + +18:36.200 --> 18:42.600 +Hi, what happened there? + +18:42.600 --> 18:46.680 +Is garage is like my garage? + +18:46.680 --> 18:47.680 +Come on back now. + +18:47.680 --> 18:49.680 +You hear? + +18:49.680 --> 18:50.680 +I don't know. + +18:50.680 --> 19:02.440 +Maybe you should snap to that might help on he'll call back. + +19:02.440 --> 19:08.760 +I want very much to see if there's too many people doing it and numbers of people just + +19:08.760 --> 19:12.360 +because there's going to be a lot more error, but it's something, something. + +19:12.360 --> 19:13.360 +Here you go. + +19:13.360 --> 19:14.360 +There we go. + +19:14.360 --> 19:15.360 +Yeah. + +19:15.360 --> 19:21.160 +It's probably me, the, the camera, it doesn't, it does a visual acuity check on me and sort + +19:21.160 --> 19:22.160 +of bocks. + +19:22.160 --> 19:23.160 +Yeah, it's all good. + +19:23.160 --> 19:26.520 +So, we were talking about models and it just took for a couple of seconds. + +19:26.520 --> 19:28.280 +So it's okay. + +19:28.280 --> 19:30.040 +What is different? + +19:30.040 --> 19:34.360 +I mean, for the, for example, you were in meteorology, they could only get away with, + +19:34.360 --> 19:36.560 +they can't get away with crappy models, right? + +19:36.560 --> 19:40.480 +If they use a crappy model, then they're, they're prediction for even tomorrow would + +19:40.480 --> 19:41.480 +be off, right? + +19:41.480 --> 19:46.040 +But to a certain, this is, this is, this is a, you bring up a good point, an excellent + +19:46.040 --> 19:49.440 +point, as a matter of fact, because it's one of the few fields. + +19:49.440 --> 19:56.680 +In fact, one of the very, very few fields that model goodness, the idea of what we call + +19:56.680 --> 20:00.880 +it, the technical term is verification, model verification. + +20:00.880 --> 20:02.120 +That's where it was really born. + +20:02.120 --> 20:06.320 +That's where all the statistics and the probability and the understanding of the philosophy of + +20:06.320 --> 20:12.120 +model goodness arose from meteorology, because it's for obvious reasons. + +20:12.120 --> 20:16.220 +They make weather forecasts, they come out at least twice a day, and they want to verify + +20:16.220 --> 20:18.000 +how good they're doing. + +20:18.000 --> 20:26.280 +And because they did, they developed all kinds of ideas, all kinds of measures, like numerical + +20:26.280 --> 20:30.840 +measures that show you how good the predictions are behaving and the like. + +20:30.840 --> 20:34.440 +And they use those to sort of feedback and improve the models. + +20:34.440 --> 20:38.800 +And they have meteorological models over the last 50 years or so, they've increased + +20:38.800 --> 20:40.040 +dramatically. + +20:40.040 --> 20:46.120 +They're now very accurate out to a short, short period of time, out to like four or five + +20:46.120 --> 20:51.560 +days, they're great, out to beyond that, they diminish in quality fairly rapidly. + +20:51.560 --> 20:56.360 +And you know, they, for technical reasons, you know, the atmosphere is just chaotic and + +20:56.360 --> 21:00.280 +it's, it's not cooperative at, at times past that. + +21:00.320 --> 21:05.240 +And let me ask you this, just in the context, if they had more measuring devices with these + +21:05.240 --> 21:09.320 +models become better or the models are already at their peak sort of in that sense. + +21:09.320 --> 21:10.320 +No. + +21:10.320 --> 21:11.960 +So not really. + +21:11.960 --> 21:12.960 +Okay. + +21:12.960 --> 21:18.520 +Part of the problem, they have, we have satellite data and they can sort of make satellite data + +21:18.520 --> 21:22.360 +for a lot of a lot more points and so forth. + +21:22.360 --> 21:27.120 +But their computational power becomes one of the, one of the bottlenecks. + +21:27.120 --> 21:29.360 +The other is the atmospheric chaotic. + +21:29.360 --> 21:30.360 +Good Lorenz. + +21:30.360 --> 21:34.440 +He was one of the, a meteorologist at the time using early versions of computers. + +21:34.440 --> 21:39.480 +He was running a program, very simple dynamical model, very simple dynamical model. + +21:39.480 --> 21:42.240 +I think he coded it in Fortran. + +21:42.240 --> 21:46.720 +And he was running the thing and then he had to step away or something like this and he + +21:46.720 --> 21:51.680 +came back and somebody else had used the time on the computer. + +21:51.680 --> 21:55.400 +Back then you had to get time on a computer, you didn't have personal use of it. + +21:55.400 --> 21:58.520 +You had to sort of subscribe for time. + +21:58.520 --> 22:01.680 +And he wanted to restart the computer exactly where it left off. + +22:01.680 --> 22:07.440 +So he reprogrammed in the, you know, using punch cards, the constants that the model + +22:07.440 --> 22:11.920 +spit out at a certain point, but he didn't get them to the exact decimal level all the + +22:11.920 --> 22:14.640 +way out to however many digits the computer did. + +22:14.640 --> 22:18.800 +And he found to his surprise that diverged wildly. + +22:18.800 --> 22:25.680 +And chaos as a science was born from his paper. + +22:25.680 --> 22:27.120 +And it's amazing. + +22:27.600 --> 22:33.200 +And it turns out to be sensitivity to initial conditions is sort of defining characteristic + +22:33.200 --> 22:34.200 +of chaos. + +22:34.200 --> 22:41.640 +In other words, you could have a perfectly defined rigorously analytic dynamical system + +22:41.640 --> 22:46.440 +that because it starts off in a slightly, just the tiniest little, you wouldn't make + +22:46.440 --> 22:54.320 +any difference initial point, but can diverge wildly from a model that starts off slightly + +22:54.320 --> 22:55.720 +different from it. + +22:55.760 --> 22:59.240 +So that's the way the atmosphere sort of behaves, people are discovering that you can + +22:59.240 --> 23:03.840 +kind of get away with that by making your predictions coarser. + +23:03.840 --> 23:10.280 +And only speaking of averages and the like and do a little bit better in that respect. + +23:10.280 --> 23:14.840 +But it's still meteorology that led the way. + +23:14.840 --> 23:18.880 +And that's how I learned of all this kind of stuff, because that's how I started doing + +23:18.880 --> 23:22.600 +and doing model goodness, how do you check? + +23:22.640 --> 23:26.520 +So you could apply this, these same tools to all kinds of models, like we were being + +23:26.520 --> 23:28.520 +foisted upon us all the time. + +23:28.520 --> 23:31.080 +And it turns out a lot of the models just stink. + +23:31.080 --> 23:32.080 +They're terrible. + +23:32.080 --> 23:33.080 +They're never verified. + +23:33.080 --> 23:39.000 +In fact, the leading practice of most science, the leading practice of most science and most + +23:39.000 --> 23:50.160 +science papers is to fit a model to data, announce the quality of the fit and stop. + +23:50.160 --> 23:51.160 +That's it. + +23:51.160 --> 23:53.560 +And then they act as if they've found something. + +23:53.560 --> 23:59.840 +But as we already discussed, anybody could fit a model to data, anybody could fit any + +23:59.840 --> 24:01.400 +kind of model to any kind of data. + +24:01.400 --> 24:04.280 +It just doesn't take that much ingenuity anymore. + +24:04.280 --> 24:10.920 +And therefore, we're flooded with, you know, just acres and acres of this stuff of bad + +24:10.920 --> 24:14.040 +science of just good model fits. + +24:14.040 --> 24:15.120 +Well, so what? + +24:15.120 --> 24:17.760 +These models are never checked against reality after that. + +24:17.760 --> 24:20.920 +But everybody takes it as if it was. + +24:20.920 --> 24:21.920 +It's a huge problem. + +24:21.920 --> 24:22.920 +Right. + +24:22.920 --> 24:26.800 +And I think you could formulate that in the reverse and say that if your scientific paper + +24:26.800 --> 24:29.800 +doesn't start out with, my model predicts the following. + +24:29.800 --> 24:36.400 +So we checked or measured the following, then you're really not, you're really not verifying + +24:36.400 --> 24:37.400 +a model. + +24:37.400 --> 24:42.600 +You're actually, again, as you said, making observations and then fitting a model to it, + +24:42.600 --> 24:43.920 +which is big deal. + +24:43.920 --> 24:46.520 +That's a big difference. + +24:46.520 --> 24:49.680 +You can almost say anything you want if you use that strategy. + +24:49.680 --> 24:56.280 +But the vast majority papers, biology and medicine, and all of the soft sciences, almost + +24:56.280 --> 24:58.120 +all their models are like this. + +24:58.120 --> 25:04.720 +They just fit a model and they're all ad hoc models, for the most part, in the soft sciences. + +25:04.720 --> 25:07.480 +They fit the model to the data. + +25:07.480 --> 25:13.600 +They announced after they manipulate the data and the model that the model fits well. + +25:13.600 --> 25:14.600 +And that's it. + +25:14.600 --> 25:18.520 +And now we're supposed to take their word that they have found some causative agent in + +25:18.520 --> 25:19.520 +nature. + +25:19.520 --> 25:21.960 +And it's just not the case. + +25:21.960 --> 25:24.240 +They may have happened upon something. + +25:24.240 --> 25:26.320 +They may have gotten lucky. + +25:26.320 --> 25:30.160 +But it's not because of their procedures that they're correct. + +25:30.160 --> 25:35.560 +It's just by chance, by luck, that they're off and right. + +25:35.560 --> 25:41.720 +Or by some intuition too, a lot of scientists are smart guys, but it doesn't mean that + +25:41.720 --> 25:47.840 +the procedures they're using are guaranteeing them the kind of veracity that they tell us + +25:47.840 --> 25:49.240 +that they have. + +25:49.240 --> 25:53.280 +That's why when people say, follow the science, no, it isn't like that. + +25:53.280 --> 26:00.440 +We should not follow the science and tell that science has been independently, by disinterested + +26:00.440 --> 26:08.640 +parties, checked and its accuracy, its predictive accuracy, otherwise we've never known. + +26:08.640 --> 26:13.800 +One of the things that I've been thinking about is how can, because broken science + +26:13.800 --> 26:19.000 +brings together this really weird group of people where there can be lots of owners + +26:19.000 --> 26:24.200 +of CrossFit gyms or athletes or martial artists or people interested in nutrition + +26:24.200 --> 26:31.080 +or training, and then also, you know, physicists and people like yourself with a million different + +26:31.080 --> 26:33.040 +things in their background. + +26:33.040 --> 26:39.040 +And what I'm wondering is a lot of times we get so deep into that discussion that we can't, + +26:39.040 --> 26:45.240 +we need, I love the list that Greg has made of all of the pseudo sciences. + +26:45.240 --> 26:53.040 +But I felt like the last meeting was missing a little session about concrete examples, + +26:53.040 --> 26:54.800 +which is what you said earlier. + +26:54.800 --> 26:59.760 +And I almost want to suggest that somebody should build a website of concrete examples + +26:59.760 --> 27:03.800 +of what the model is and how it's not ever tested. + +27:03.800 --> 27:09.000 +I mean, the ones that I've been plugging for a long time are the model of antibodies + +27:09.000 --> 27:11.880 +equals immunity, but they never really test that. + +27:12.880 --> 27:17.160 +And when they do, they don't get the answer that their model predicts they should get, + +27:17.160 --> 27:19.080 +but they don't care. + +27:19.080 --> 27:24.640 +And so I wonder if it wouldn't be useful for us to make a list like that. + +27:24.640 --> 27:25.640 +That was my first thing. + +27:25.640 --> 27:28.120 +And I also have a thing about funding, but what do you think about that? + +27:28.120 --> 27:29.120 +Is there a... + +27:29.120 --> 27:33.000 +I think it's a fantastic idea, of course, absolutely. + +27:33.000 --> 27:39.880 +I do these things all the time, you know, maybe once or twice a week, I publish a piece daily, + +27:39.880 --> 27:45.680 +but maybe once or twice a week is looking at bad papers and from all range of science + +27:45.680 --> 27:47.440 +that use these techniques. + +27:47.440 --> 27:49.760 +So yeah, it would be very worthwhile. + +27:49.760 --> 27:50.760 +That's a good project. + +27:50.760 --> 27:57.880 +I'm going to consider that and how to bring it about putting it on a more systematic basis. + +27:57.880 --> 27:59.520 +I think that's a fantastic idea. + +27:59.520 --> 28:04.120 +I mean, neuroscience is just littered with models of how the brain works that have like + +28:04.120 --> 28:06.120 +two variables. + +28:06.120 --> 28:07.920 +And it's extraordinary. + +28:07.920 --> 28:11.760 +I mean, and then they would take an fMRI measurement and look, there it is. + +28:11.760 --> 28:17.840 +We got some difference between these two relative signals and it looks a lot like our model. + +28:17.840 --> 28:20.920 +That's a perfect example of the type of thing where models... + +28:20.920 --> 28:22.840 +It's model upon model. + +28:22.840 --> 28:23.840 +The fMRI... + +28:23.840 --> 28:27.320 +You'd know this better than I do, but for your listeners probably know it better than + +28:27.320 --> 28:28.320 +I do too. + +28:28.320 --> 28:29.320 +But the fMRI... + +28:29.320 --> 28:32.120 +The output from that is already a model. + +28:32.120 --> 28:33.200 +It's already a model. + +28:33.200 --> 28:36.640 +It's not like they've gone into the brain and dissected, taking a look at this mirror + +28:36.640 --> 28:39.560 +and saying, oh, yeah, this is a bigger fashion over here. + +28:39.560 --> 28:43.160 +No, this thing is an inverse problem and it's already a model. + +28:43.160 --> 28:46.720 +So there's uncertainty already in the data that you have out of it. + +28:46.720 --> 28:53.920 +And then they use this uncertain data as if it were certain downstream and further models. + +28:53.920 --> 28:58.560 +And to some of the most preposterous things, I mean, Sam Harris was... + +28:58.560 --> 29:01.600 +He has one I picked apart a long time ago. + +29:01.600 --> 29:03.240 +Ridiculous things. + +29:03.240 --> 29:07.520 +People are more likely to believe in Santa Claus if the sublocutist area of the brain + +29:07.520 --> 29:09.240 +lights up in their effort. + +29:09.240 --> 29:15.960 +All kind of statistical nonsense that they try to pull off because it shows how well their + +29:15.960 --> 29:19.720 +model could fit, the model of the model. + +29:19.720 --> 29:25.840 +So yes, all he's there is they all suffer from the same problems over modeling. + +29:25.840 --> 29:29.640 +What do you have to have models in science, but they're not verified. + +29:29.640 --> 29:35.440 +Another place that models probably play a more reasonable role in describing reality + +29:35.440 --> 29:40.520 +is in business where uncertainty equals risk. + +29:40.520 --> 29:47.400 +Is there any way we could use the idea that businesses don't use models that don't work? + +29:47.400 --> 29:49.720 +Insurance companies don't use models that don't work. + +29:49.720 --> 29:55.160 +So there have to be people that understand that model verification is at the heart of + +29:55.160 --> 29:56.160 +knowledge generation. + +29:57.160 --> 29:58.160 +Oh, yeah, sorry. + +29:58.160 --> 29:59.160 +Did you hear what I just said? + +29:59.160 --> 30:01.640 +I'm going to let that come back. + +30:01.640 --> 30:09.320 +Yeah, business models of verification and business models use uncertainty as risk. + +30:09.320 --> 30:16.040 +And so there's a lot of sort of feedback in business for their models in actuarial science + +30:16.040 --> 30:17.040 +and whatever. + +30:17.040 --> 30:23.680 +So there have to be people that from a professional perspective understand how if they do it like + +30:23.680 --> 30:28.920 +this at work, but academic science doesn't like that, then there ought to be lots of + +30:28.920 --> 30:33.960 +people that could be woken up very easily who just because of their professional background + +30:33.960 --> 30:38.320 +are, this will just snap into their head, don't you think or? + +30:38.320 --> 30:42.720 +I think you're absolutely right, actuaries are an excellent point because if the insurance + +30:42.720 --> 30:49.160 +companies didn't model accurately, they would stand to lose a lot of money. + +30:49.160 --> 30:55.520 +Of course, the other problem after that is not scientific, but sociological, the government + +30:55.520 --> 31:00.240 +comes in and begins to regulate them because their models are sometimes too accurate and + +31:00.240 --> 31:05.760 +they're not politically desirable accuracies, that's so that's a whole other problem. + +31:05.760 --> 31:06.760 +Oh, wow. + +31:06.760 --> 31:08.360 +I didn't know that that happened. + +31:08.360 --> 31:09.360 +Okay. + +31:09.360 --> 31:13.600 +Well, you know, you ever you know, we don't want to talk about all this idea, but you + +31:13.600 --> 31:21.440 +know, there's official, you know, there's some groups need more need more help from + +31:21.440 --> 31:23.000 +the government dollars. + +31:23.000 --> 31:26.120 +And so the government steps in and and and modifies it. + +31:26.120 --> 31:30.440 +Well, you know, you're not you're not allowed to have noticing of certain things. + +31:30.440 --> 31:35.120 +And so now I see what you mean, yeah, there is that, but but actuaries do do a good job + +31:35.120 --> 31:38.520 +of looking at how well their models portray. + +31:38.520 --> 31:44.880 +And because, you know, they're not the most complex models in the world, they're more + +31:44.880 --> 31:49.040 +or less just, you know, counting. + +31:49.040 --> 31:50.040 +Here's what happened. + +31:50.040 --> 31:53.320 +And here's what we can expect to happen again in the future, which is a very good way to + +31:53.320 --> 31:54.320 +do things. + +31:54.320 --> 31:55.320 +Right. + +31:55.320 --> 31:56.320 +Not that the math is simple. + +31:56.320 --> 31:57.320 +I don't mean that. + +31:57.320 --> 32:03.640 +But I mean, to say that as far as model complexity goes, it's not that not that difficult. + +32:03.640 --> 32:10.080 +Would you would you want to, um, for my viewers, just take a crack at a brief explanation + +32:10.080 --> 32:18.920 +of how the the no hypothesis falsification thing isn't actually verifying models and, + +32:18.920 --> 32:22.400 +you know, pull an example out of your out of your brain at random? + +32:22.400 --> 32:23.400 +Is that a? + +32:23.400 --> 32:26.280 +Yeah, it's a it's a very good question. + +32:26.280 --> 32:31.360 +Not the null hypothesis and statistics is kind of the straw man of statistics. + +32:31.360 --> 32:34.640 +And everybody knows the straw man is a sort of informal fallacy. + +32:34.640 --> 32:38.640 +It's it's set up to be able to knock down and knock down easily. + +32:38.640 --> 32:45.280 +Normally, what happens is you set up an ad hoc model, something like a regression, very common + +32:45.280 --> 32:52.560 +thing, and you relate some X to some Y, some, some measure to some observable thing that + +32:52.560 --> 32:54.760 +you're interested in. + +32:55.760 --> 33:01.480 +The null hypothesis is that whatever your X is has nothing to do with this Y. + +33:01.480 --> 33:07.920 +And you encapsulate that into a probability model, a parameterized probability model, + +33:07.920 --> 33:12.960 +and you set the value of that parameter at some level, typically zero, you say, if this + +33:12.960 --> 33:19.440 +parameter exactly equals zero precisely exactly equals zero, why that's my null hypothesis. + +33:19.440 --> 33:26.240 +And then you calculate all kinds of numbers, namely, like a P value, a bit of arcane magic + +33:26.240 --> 33:30.560 +that if it's small enough, you can go waving your we P value in front of people saying, + +33:30.560 --> 33:37.640 +look how small my P value is, I have disproved my null hypothesis and therefore the opposite + +33:37.640 --> 33:40.880 +of the contrary of the null hypothesis must be true. + +33:40.880 --> 33:47.920 +If we've said this parameter is exactly precisely equal to zero, and the parameter is a very + +33:47.920 --> 33:55.960 +sort of measure of strength, therefore it's not zero, the null hypothesis has been shown + +33:55.960 --> 34:02.000 +to be false, and so not zero, therefore it must be important, this X must be important + +34:02.000 --> 34:09.160 +in describing this Y. Of course, it's not true. For one thing, you've never disproved + +34:09.160 --> 34:13.280 +the null hypothesis, you've just made an active will, you said, you know what, I'm going + +34:13.280 --> 34:19.560 +to decide that this null hypothesis is not significant, and what does significant mean? + +34:19.560 --> 34:23.640 +Significant means the P value is small. And what does the P value being small mean? Well, + +34:23.640 --> 34:30.040 +it means significant. It's a circular definition. It's just an active will to say, I think this + +34:30.040 --> 34:36.760 +correlation is causation. And that's it. I think this correlation that I have found + +34:36.760 --> 34:42.480 +is causation. And you have some mathematical apparatus that helps you in this ritual. One + +34:42.480 --> 34:50.920 +of the guys who was at the thing last week, Greg Gigarenzer, it's his phrase, the ritual + +34:50.920 --> 34:57.320 +of statistics or ritualized statistics or something. Just following these things to sort of bless + +34:57.320 --> 35:02.800 +your results, you run these typical procedures over them, and if things work out, well then + +35:02.800 --> 35:10.160 +you claim that you have found something. So null hypotheses, we can eliminate them entirely. + +35:10.160 --> 35:17.320 +We don't need them in science at all. We can instead form our models in this predictive + +35:17.320 --> 35:23.280 +sense. If you say that X, knowing what X is, tells you something about Y. So one of my + +35:23.280 --> 35:31.040 +favorite examples is, I've used this example many times, attendance at a Fourth of July + +35:31.040 --> 35:37.000 +parade when you're young. That's our X. The attendance at a Fourth of July parade when + +35:37.040 --> 35:41.960 +you're young, predicts whether or not you're going to turn out to be a Republican. That's + +35:41.960 --> 35:52.120 +our why. You're frozen again, just hold on one second. Darn it. He's got to fix that + +35:52.120 --> 35:58.520 +camera. At least he stopped at a place where I can accurately characterize where he needs + +35:58.520 --> 36:04.320 +hypothesis is catching up again, your camera parade attendance has. Yeah, sorry, your camera + +36:04.320 --> 36:08.280 +just caught you off. So I don't know what the deal is. It's a it's okay. You're at + +36:08.280 --> 36:13.640 +perfect. It's right at the part where you said, okay, parade attendance predicts whether + +36:13.640 --> 36:17.800 +or not you're going to be a Republican and then it stopped. So all right. So the null + +36:17.800 --> 36:21.680 +hypothesis is parade attendance has nothing to do with it. Whether you're going to be + +36:21.680 --> 36:27.080 +a Republican or Democrat or something like this. So you form this model, you put it + +36:27.080 --> 36:31.520 +in a regression, you get a VP value, which is what these researchers from Harvard did. + +36:31.520 --> 36:40.000 +And they said, yes, attendance at a Fourth of July parade, when you're young, predicts + +36:40.000 --> 36:44.360 +whether or not you're going to be a Republican. And that's the that was what the headlines + +36:44.360 --> 36:49.360 +read. So, you know, these young patriotic little kids you're imagining are being radical + +36:49.360 --> 36:55.640 +on ice into into being far right extremist leg waivers by attending Fourth of July parade, + +36:55.640 --> 37:01.560 +but they cheated. They didn't use for the July parade attendance. What they did was + +37:01.560 --> 37:07.600 +they looked at people's residents when they were young, the address that they thought + +37:07.600 --> 37:12.360 +they lived at when they were young. And then they went back into the meteorological records + +37:12.360 --> 37:18.920 +and looked whether or not it rained on the Fourth of July. And if there was any precipitation + +37:18.920 --> 37:26.120 +on the Fourth of July, they said there was no parade. And the child could not have gone. + +37:26.120 --> 37:31.680 +And if it did not rain, if it was any kind of cloudy or clear day, they said, well, there + +37:31.680 --> 37:36.680 +must have been a Fourth of July parade and there must have been the kid attending it. + +37:36.680 --> 37:42.920 +That's the level of science. It's absolutely absurd because I always use this joke, but + +37:42.920 --> 37:47.840 +in San Francisco, of course, it never rains on the Fourth of July, almost never. And so + +37:47.840 --> 37:54.520 +the city should be teeming with Republicans because they would all go to these parades + +37:54.520 --> 37:59.720 +and so forth. But because we have this null hypothesis that's so easy to swap down. I + +37:59.720 --> 38:04.040 +mean, if you're not getting, if you're not rejecting your null hypothesis, you're not + +38:04.040 --> 38:09.880 +trying hard enough. It's always possible to do just just requires a little bit of ingenuity + +38:09.880 --> 38:13.360 +and you could do it. That's why we have so much bad science. + +38:13.720 --> 38:21.600 +Yeah, wow, that's a really good example because there you're really actually testing for + +38:21.600 --> 38:28.200 +even raining on Fourth of July. It's not even the parade, right? So that's one thing. But + +38:28.200 --> 38:33.760 +I really feel like that's a very good analogy for how far we are from actual understanding + +38:33.760 --> 38:37.640 +of what happened during the pandemic. They want you to believe it's as simple as some + +38:37.640 --> 38:43.000 +RNA molecules filled in a puddle and Wuhan. And now it's everywhere. But there's so much + +38:43.000 --> 38:53.640 +involved in that it's a massive pile of assumptions in the end. And I think it's useful to think + +38:53.640 --> 39:00.040 +of that as a model of reality that makes predictions. If you say that that's the way the pandemic + +39:00.040 --> 39:04.720 +worked, then that makes all kinds of predictions about how future RNA should transmit around + +39:04.720 --> 39:10.120 +the world and how these future signals could be found. And I think those that's where this + +39:10.160 --> 39:15.360 +whole thing would really fall apart like a like it should. I mean, because again, if + +39:15.360 --> 39:22.600 +you challenge them to make predictions, they can't. And that's I feel another side of the + +39:22.600 --> 39:27.720 +coin with regard to models being fitted to data versus, you know, making a model and + +39:27.720 --> 39:32.440 +then going out and seeking validation of it. I don't know. Absolutely. I don't know where + +39:32.440 --> 39:36.120 +I was going with that question, but no, no, it's absolutely right. You're absolutely right. + +39:36.120 --> 39:41.080 +If you can't make observe predictions of observables, it's the whole point is these + +39:41.080 --> 39:45.880 +observables are the things that are supposed to matter to us. And if you can't make, you + +39:45.880 --> 39:52.080 +can't make skillful predictions, it's a technical term, skillful predictions of these things, + +39:52.080 --> 39:56.520 +then you have no business feisting it off onto the public and making us follow the science + +39:56.520 --> 39:59.200 +is just, it's absurd, it's absurd. + +39:59.200 --> 40:05.480 +Well, that's the reason why I think it's important for people to understand then that if if done + +40:05.480 --> 40:12.000 +well, and even with malevolence, for example, if they want to create the illusion of pandemic + +40:12.000 --> 40:17.360 +potential using academic biology, they can do it. And they can even put p values behind + +40:17.360 --> 40:23.000 +it. And they can get peer review behind it. And so this whole system, right, has been + +40:23.000 --> 40:29.600 +distorted into, they call it knowledge, but it's not knowledge, it's not generating knowledge. + +40:29.600 --> 40:35.440 +And I really feel that big picture is something that a lot of people can get a grasp on. And + +40:35.440 --> 40:41.680 +if they do, it might put them in a place of healthy skepticism that gives them also a + +40:41.680 --> 40:48.000 +short, rather a small toolbox. You know, if you approach these problems as okay, what + +40:48.000 --> 40:53.240 +is the model that they are presenting to me and try to understand the cartoon version + +40:53.240 --> 40:58.160 +of reality that they are foisting upon you with the story that they tell and then evaluate + +40:58.160 --> 41:02.200 +whether or not that model makes any predictions that have value. I don't think that's hard + +41:02.240 --> 41:06.680 +for well, it could be hard for some people, but I think there are a lot of people who + +41:06.680 --> 41:07.520 +are capable of doing it. + +41:07.520 --> 41:13.800 +Couldn't be. It shouldn't be difficult. I mean, the best science we have, all science + +41:13.800 --> 41:18.440 +uses models. It's not using models. That's the problem that we should emphasize. You + +41:18.440 --> 41:24.000 +have to have a model, because you can't encompass all of reality all at once. You have to have + +41:24.000 --> 41:30.680 +a slice of it. You have to have some abstraction and some kind of model that that's not wrong. + +41:30.680 --> 41:38.080 +But the model should at least have proved itself. And fitting past data is nothing. + +41:38.080 --> 41:44.800 +It's absolutely zero. It's necessary, but it's far from sufficient, because any set + +41:44.800 --> 41:51.600 +of past data that you give me and any field, I can fit not just one, but any number of + +41:51.600 --> 41:59.720 +models to it and to any arbitrary precision. I can fit them perfectly. I can always find + +41:59.760 --> 42:06.320 +at least one model that will fit that past data perfectly. And this is a trivial, absolutely + +42:06.320 --> 42:12.880 +trivial mathematical exercise. So that we have sophisticated models done on a computer + +42:12.880 --> 42:17.160 +and they're done by experts and the model has been peer reviewed by people who also + +42:17.160 --> 42:22.760 +create their own models means nothing. It's absolutely nothing. It adds nothing to it. + +42:22.760 --> 42:27.360 +Like you say, it's not generating knowledge. It's generating noise. It's only when these + +42:27.400 --> 42:34.080 +models are verified and we're found. And again, it has to be by disinterested people. + +42:34.080 --> 42:39.280 +It can't be the same people who create the model and then make predictions to say, yeah, + +42:39.280 --> 42:45.360 +trust us. Everything's fine. No, no, we should know enough about now how the world works + +42:45.360 --> 42:51.200 +that we cannot have people who have an extreme interest in their own project, be that their + +42:51.200 --> 42:56.360 +own judge. There's legal maximums that guide this kind of a stuff. We need those same + +42:56.360 --> 43:00.680 +maximums to guide science. That was one of the useful discussions. I think we had two over + +43:00.680 --> 43:06.600 +the last week. Right. Right. I think a concrete example for people that are listening or watching + +43:06.600 --> 43:12.520 +for what Matt just said would be a mechanical model of the solar system. And you could crank + +43:12.520 --> 43:16.840 +it backwards and you can see that, Oh, wow, last month, it's okay. And the month before that, + +43:16.840 --> 43:21.800 +it's okay. And wow, it works for that eclipse from two months ago. But then you crank it + +43:21.880 --> 43:28.040 +forward and you go to tomorrow and the moon is backwards. And then you go a week a farther than + +43:28.040 --> 43:32.680 +that. And it's like the earth turns upside down. Then something inside of that box is not working + +43:32.680 --> 43:37.320 +correctly. Because even though when you crank it backwards, it seems to recapitulate the past + +43:38.200 --> 43:42.840 +astronomical data, when you crank it forward, if it doesn't make a prediction that happens in + +43:42.840 --> 43:48.120 +the future, then those gears are not working. And I think if you if you apply that to some of + +43:48.120 --> 43:53.320 +these biological models, or these nutritional models, or these, you know, a lot of this pandemic + +43:53.320 --> 43:57.880 +models, you get to the point where when you crank that thing forward, it's useless. It's + +43:57.880 --> 44:05.400 +absolutely useless. That's precisely it. And it's even worse than the picture than you're painting. + +44:06.280 --> 44:10.120 +Because think about this, think about that model we have now, we do have a model of the solar + +44:10.120 --> 44:15.560 +system, like a Copernican type model, we do crank it forward. And we do see that it does work rather + +44:15.560 --> 44:22.440 +well. However, there was an older model, a tolemaic model that had all these epicycles of things + +44:22.440 --> 44:28.280 +spinning this way and that way. That model also predicted very well. It predicted beautifully. + +44:29.000 --> 44:36.760 +So even if this is why it's a bare minimum to get the model to make good predictions, + +44:36.760 --> 44:42.120 +that's the first entry. After that, it still doesn't mean that you have proved you found a real + +44:42.120 --> 44:47.400 +cause of something. I love that. Oh, I love that you have a lot more to do. + +44:47.960 --> 44:52.360 +I love that you said that. Wow, that's really spectacular. I love that you said that. And that's + +44:52.360 --> 44:57.960 +really where where the grinding of science happens when there are two models that work pretty well. + +44:57.960 --> 45:03.400 +And now you need to come up with experiments that's able to dissect their their predictive + +45:03.960 --> 45:10.120 +value like that. That I imagined as a kid was what what all scientists were doing was at the + +45:10.120 --> 45:14.680 +me too, the cutting edge of knowledge deciding between the two best models + +45:15.560 --> 45:19.880 +with a clever experiment that got them a lab like obviously, isn't that what they're all doing? + +45:21.160 --> 45:26.040 +I don't know. Sometimes we can't always do experiments, you know, like in cosmology and so + +45:26.040 --> 45:33.000 +forth, or they're very limited. But yeah, that's it. That's it. We have to find, like I'm always + +45:33.000 --> 45:38.440 +saying, you we have to, this brings us back to broken science. One of the things that's broken + +45:38.520 --> 45:46.200 +about science is is the metaphysics. In order to do physics, you have to first have a metaphysics. + +45:46.200 --> 45:54.280 +So we need to understand the limits of the metaphysics that we currently use and of + +45:54.280 --> 45:58.520 +possible replacements and the superiority of replacements and so forth. But that's a whole + +45:58.520 --> 46:05.640 +other discussion. That's that's why it's very difficult to explain these kinds of things because + +46:06.520 --> 46:12.440 +we have to first get past the point where we recognize we've had a broken model and then we + +46:12.440 --> 46:17.160 +have to get to the point where we realize that models are not being used in a predictive sense. + +46:17.160 --> 46:22.840 +And then we have to realize that we have to have a firm understanding of what it means to cause + +46:22.840 --> 46:29.000 +and what what does cause something mean and all that kind of thing. So we really have to we really + +46:29.000 --> 46:33.480 +have to fix the foundations of science. And that's that's kind of what this broken science + +46:33.480 --> 46:39.640 +things about. I heard you leading a disc or having a discussion randomly between sessions. + +46:40.920 --> 46:46.680 +And it had to do a little bit with this, the idea that the table doesn't exist because actually + +46:46.680 --> 46:50.040 +it's mostly space. And then if we go farther and farther and farther, all of a sudden there's + +46:50.040 --> 46:56.200 +no causes at all or something like this. And that's really kind of where in a sort of, + +46:56.920 --> 47:02.040 +I'm terrible at these kinds of discussions, but that's sort of where where Sam Harris is with + +47:02.040 --> 47:06.200 +regard to, you know, free will and everything else is just we're all particles moving, right? + +47:06.200 --> 47:10.600 +And if we just had enough data, we would be able to predict the future and everything. + +47:12.040 --> 47:16.520 +Of course, I think that's false. And that he does. He's the kind of guy that there's not the + +47:16.520 --> 47:21.720 +table's not really there because it's mostly mostly empty space. And my metaphysics says the + +47:21.720 --> 47:27.160 +table's here. It's real. And in fact, the particles don't exist in it anymore. They only exist virtually + +47:27.160 --> 47:32.920 +in potentia. They're now part of the thing that is the table. There's no separation of + +47:32.920 --> 47:38.040 +particles and atoms anymore that makes the table. It just is a table, just as common sense + +47:38.600 --> 47:43.320 +shows it to you. And of course, about free will, I always make the joke. It's a standard joke, + +47:43.320 --> 47:48.760 +but it's true that you read these guys papers who try to prove to you that free will doesn't + +47:48.760 --> 47:54.360 +exist. And every one of these papers, they always say, if only people understood they couldn't make + +47:54.360 --> 48:01.080 +choices, they would make better choices. They always want to save the world by telling us that + +48:01.080 --> 48:05.800 +we really can't make choices. That's absurd. It's absurd. Here, what are they doing? They're + +48:05.800 --> 48:11.960 +using their free will to write it. That contradiction, when you call them on it, they'll just say, + +48:11.960 --> 48:16.840 +Oh, no, no, it doesn't work. It's an illusion. Okay. Fine. It's an illusion. Who is having the + +48:16.840 --> 48:23.960 +illusion? Right. Wow. Yeah. Who is having the illusion? It's a bluff. It's always a fluff. There's + +48:23.960 --> 48:29.000 +a lot of bluffs in science. And that's one of them. Yeah, that's wonderful way to put it. That's + +48:29.000 --> 48:37.160 +great. I'm I'm just sort of humbled by the fact that the first couple of these meetings were so + +48:37.160 --> 48:44.360 +overwhelming to me that the big picture of how to use this is a way to bring people to the light + +48:44.360 --> 48:50.440 +of things. It really felt like this was the first time where Greg nailed it, where other people nailed + +48:50.520 --> 48:57.400 +it and where I was comfortable enough in my seat to absorb it. And so I'm very, very excited about + +48:58.120 --> 49:05.400 +being able to to apply these ideas as you do now to biological papers and to like think about + +49:06.040 --> 49:11.320 +what I'm really calling out as far as what's broken with how they're doing it. And the other + +49:11.320 --> 49:15.960 +thing that was missing from my descriptions was understanding that there were lots of people + +49:16.040 --> 49:20.360 +who've thought about this, right? It's not some kind of secret. I mean, people have written books + +49:20.360 --> 49:27.000 +like you, but before you as well that that that part of the reason why we're here is because people + +49:27.000 --> 49:33.800 +like Popper wrote stuff. And yeah, and so it is important. I was pretty naive to all of that, + +49:33.800 --> 49:38.920 +that literature. And so it's been a big eye opening experience for me to realize that in the + +49:38.920 --> 49:43.400 +best. Well, that's just it. You could go through as a scientist. I did. I went through the whole + +49:43.400 --> 49:50.280 +thing. Cornell, I got my master's and atmospheric, you know, PhD, whatever. Many, many people, + +49:50.280 --> 49:56.680 +you never once have to be confronted by any of these philosophical matters. Never. + +49:57.400 --> 50:02.520 +Never. You can go through and finish. You don't, at the end, you're going to ask, what is science? + +50:02.520 --> 50:08.040 +Well, science is what I do. Yeah, right. You know, that's an answer, but it's not, it's not a very + +50:08.040 --> 50:12.360 +good answer. But that's what most people's answer is. And if they've absorbed anything, + +50:12.360 --> 50:18.280 +they've absorbed this idea of the Popperian, you know, falsifiability, and you now see the limits of + +50:18.280 --> 50:25.000 +that. But most scientists don't because they sort of dismiss a lot of philosophers. + +50:25.560 --> 50:30.040 +Well, I think they should dismiss a lot of them. There's a lot of these academic philosophers, + +50:30.040 --> 50:35.400 +you know, kind of postmodernistic kind of nonsense that they preach. It doesn't seem to have any + +50:35.400 --> 50:41.800 +bearing on what a scientist does. And they're right, it doesn't. But there's, there's, you still + +50:41.800 --> 50:47.800 +can't operate and be a scientist without some philosophy. You might not recognize that it's a + +50:47.800 --> 50:53.640 +philosophy, but you have one. You absolutely must have a philosophy in order to apply + +50:55.320 --> 51:01.240 +the skills that you've learned to, to build your models, to understand your models, + +51:01.240 --> 51:04.120 +to know what a model is, make predictions, all these kinds of things. + +51:04.120 --> 51:10.840 +I mean, I'll give you an example of how, I mean, how bad I'm going to burn myself here, but I + +51:10.840 --> 51:18.840 +think it's an important example. I think you'll be able to see this. So if you, if you had a + +51:18.840 --> 51:24.920 +neuron and a slice of brain where I used to work, and it would be surrounded by other neurons, + +51:24.920 --> 51:30.920 +of course. And in that slice, there would also be axons, which were coming in from other brain + +51:30.920 --> 51:36.440 +regions that were cut off, but were still transmitting neurotransmitter to the neuron + +51:36.440 --> 51:41.560 +that you're going to record from. And so one of the measurements that you would get from this + +51:41.560 --> 51:48.840 +recording would be these spontaneous events, which would look like this. And they're basically + +51:49.960 --> 51:55.480 +signals that are coming from these synapses, which have been cut, but are still active. + +51:55.480 --> 52:01.720 +And you can see the synaptic events in real time as this neuron receives them. Now, interestingly, + +52:01.720 --> 52:07.640 +one of the main, not one of the main, one of the ways that you create this, this scenario where + +52:07.640 --> 52:15.480 +you can write a paper about it would be to apply a drug here. And if the baseline amount of this + +52:15.480 --> 52:24.920 +signal were to change, then you would say that somehow or another, that drug is interacting with + +52:25.800 --> 52:30.440 +with these, the receptors or the proteins on these and changing the release probability + +52:30.440 --> 52:35.640 +of the glutamate there. And so then you start to understand how the drug works or doesn't work. + +52:35.640 --> 52:41.160 +Now, of course, this assumption would be backed up by pharmacological blocking here and all kinds + +52:41.160 --> 52:48.280 +of other things like that. But my point is more abstract in the sense of if you imagine how complex + +52:48.280 --> 52:55.960 +the brain is, it's pretty easy to get here and have a significant result when you pharmacologically + +52:55.960 --> 53:05.320 +alter the circuit. Now, the reason why I'm saying this is because I feel as though we're at the + +53:05.320 --> 53:11.640 +verge of being able to explain to people how it is. And with where I wasn't, I'm going to stop + +53:11.640 --> 53:19.560 +talking very soon. When I was in grad school, no one ever used the word straw man to describe + +53:19.560 --> 53:27.080 +the null hypothesis. And that was partly because it was kind of a sacred ritual. You would never + +53:27.080 --> 53:33.880 +be so, be so, how would you say coy or, or, or sorry, it's almost like sarcastic and not, + +53:33.880 --> 53:39.560 +it's not the right word. But you're being so honest, if you said that, that it was a straw man, and + +53:39.640 --> 53:45.160 +but it would be so useful from the perspective of teaching a graduate student exactly what this + +53:45.160 --> 53:50.360 +game is. Quite frankly, I feel as though knowing what I know now in broken science, I could go + +53:50.360 --> 53:56.280 +back to academia and be much more successful, because I understand what the formula is asking + +53:56.280 --> 54:03.400 +for. And it's not clouded by this ideal of what I imagine I'm doing. Can you can you relate to that + +54:03.400 --> 54:09.160 +illusion that I created for myself? That's absolutely it. That's that's that's how people + +54:09.880 --> 54:15.160 +that you described how a lot of people wake up from the rituals that they're practicing and + +54:15.160 --> 54:22.200 +understanding that this this method just doesn't give what they they wanted to give. I mean, + +54:22.200 --> 54:25.880 +you're trying to what you're trying to do there, you're trying to fundamentally fundamentally + +54:25.880 --> 54:31.400 +understand the causes at play. And that's exactly the right way to do it. That's absolutely the + +54:31.400 --> 54:37.960 +right way to do it. But it's brutal hard work, right? I mean, there's all kind of you realize + +54:37.960 --> 54:42.440 +after you set up a little simple experiment that you just drew right there. And and you saw the + +54:42.440 --> 54:46.680 +signals and suddenly you realize or you have other evidence that comes in later, you know, + +54:46.680 --> 54:50.920 +there's other things that could account for that change in signal to. And you have to keep + +54:50.920 --> 54:57.000 +eliminating them one by one by one. And it takes a very long time. It's very difficult to do the + +54:57.080 --> 55:02.440 +very best. Brutal brutal brutal hard work. Absolutely. That's what science is really like. + +55:02.440 --> 55:08.760 +But we've tried to make it too easy and it is now far too easy just apply this formula. And if it + +55:08.760 --> 55:13.880 +pops out this number pops out, well, then you you you prove what you want to do it. It's very sweet + +55:13.880 --> 55:19.560 +the way you say it because actually I I felt when I was stepping out of neuroscience or when I was + +55:19.560 --> 55:26.600 +my career was waning before I got let go. It was because I was still having to put in + +55:27.320 --> 55:32.600 +hundreds of hours to get my data set. I couldn't just roll someone into an fMRI machine and then + +55:32.600 --> 55:38.760 +go back to my computer for a couple weeks and then publish a paper. I had to find something that + +55:38.760 --> 55:43.720 +was in effect and then do some other experiments that showed that the effect wasn't from something + +55:43.720 --> 55:48.840 +else. And that was the pharmacological blocking and this kind of thing. And so I did feel + +55:49.640 --> 55:55.480 +a little bit like I was part of a small group of people that was still and I'm not trying to + +55:55.480 --> 56:00.120 +to my own horn. I'm trying to say how I felt it didn't fit in. I didn't have this + +56:00.760 --> 56:05.240 +five papers a year machine going. I couldn't figure I couldn't see it. I didn't I didn't + +56:05.240 --> 56:09.640 +have an answer to that problem, which was, you know, you're going to need eight papers in the next + +56:09.640 --> 56:14.520 +three years or you're not going to make it. And it's like what if you tell me that I could say + +56:14.520 --> 56:18.440 +immediately in that meeting, well, then I'm not going to make it because what I do doesn't work + +56:18.440 --> 56:24.280 +like that. And so do I need more students? Do I don't know what the answer was? But I was already + +56:25.240 --> 56:29.240 +finding that wheel unable to grind. I just couldn't do it anymore. + +56:29.240 --> 56:34.200 +Oh, yeah. For everybody who hasn't been exposed to academia, it's toxic in that way. + +56:34.200 --> 56:38.920 +It really is publisher parish. It's terrible. It's terrible. That accounts for the flood of bad + +56:38.920 --> 56:43.320 +papers. I mean, they're pushing out a lot of nonsense just because they have to keep their + +56:43.320 --> 56:53.240 +positions or to bring in grants to pay for themselves and their lab or and most importantly to to provide + +56:53.560 --> 57:00.280 +kickback to the deans in the form of overhead. That's you could write one paper a year or even + +57:00.280 --> 57:05.480 +none if you're bringing in good overhead. If you're bringing in that, which is, you know, + +57:05.480 --> 57:11.720 +it was at Cornell at one point, I think it was up to like 60%, 59 and a half percent overhead. + +57:12.440 --> 57:17.640 +I mean, so you get the grant grants a million dollars and then they tack on another $590,000 + +57:18.600 --> 57:23.480 +overhead, and that just goes to the college, which becomes part of the slush funds for the + +57:23.480 --> 57:29.640 +deans. Yeah, absolutely. When my grant application or my grant, R01, for example, if I had + +57:31.400 --> 57:40.200 +when my supervisor got an R01, he paid 155% of my salary to the university. So 55% of my salary + +57:40.200 --> 57:45.800 +was rent. And he did that for every student and himself. So that's quite a, that's quite a load of + +57:45.800 --> 57:50.200 +money. If you think there are 130 faculty members just in that department that are all + +57:50.200 --> 57:54.200 +working under the same model and all those grad students walking around are all paying rent + +57:54.760 --> 58:01.080 +to the tune of thousands of dollars a year. I mean, it's extraordinary amount of money. That's why + +58:01.080 --> 58:05.240 +they can pay deans millions of dollars a year. They pay deans as much as they pay basketball + +58:05.240 --> 58:12.760 +coaches these days. Yep. It's extraordinary. So how about this? How about this? What have we got + +58:12.760 --> 58:21.000 +a bunch of weaponized money and started funding science that was, you know, we do have that in + +58:21.000 --> 58:28.360 +the way though, private companies that are not tied up with the government that are not tied up + +58:28.360 --> 58:34.200 +with the government that that proviso is the strongest one I could possibly make. You can say + +58:34.200 --> 58:38.200 +it's what I have an interest with the government and it becomes political. Well, that's just the + +58:38.200 --> 58:44.680 +same as being the government. That's where things can be done. So it's exactly that. It's private + +58:44.680 --> 58:52.040 +money in a patronage-like system trying to discover things for the sake of discovering them. + +58:52.840 --> 58:58.920 +They could be towards the desire of having a useful product or something. There's nothing + +58:58.920 --> 59:07.640 +per se wrong with that. It's only when it becomes, you know, as we saw with COVID, when it becomes, + +59:07.640 --> 59:13.960 +you know, a very political thing that the whole thing becomes somewhat difficult. And it becomes + +59:13.960 --> 59:18.760 +no different than regular academia. And you know as well as I do that same people go in and out of + +59:18.760 --> 59:23.320 +these corporations into the government that judges the granting agencies and all this kind of stuff. + +59:23.320 --> 59:32.120 +It's the same set of people. Yeah. It's a very difficult problem to get your head around. I + +59:32.120 --> 59:37.240 +think one of the things that I liked that I heard somebody say at the meeting, which I also think + +59:37.240 --> 59:41.160 +is something that can get people's wheels turning if they haven't thought about this before, is that + +59:41.160 --> 59:48.440 +all the real good sciences top secret, all the, I don't know to what extent that's really true + +59:48.440 --> 59:55.000 +or if it's just funny, but I do think that they're that identifying places like, you know, meteorology, + +59:55.000 --> 01:00:04.040 +like actuarial science, where models are required to verify, we can find examples where, you know, + +01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:10.680 +we can we can push science in that direction over time. We can teach, you know, if we can break + +01:00:10.680 --> 01:00:15.640 +into a university and teach and teach this to undergraduates, that would be great. We probably + +01:00:15.640 --> 01:00:23.960 +ruin their graduate experience, but I don't know. I'm still trying to do it. We can do it. The tools + +01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:29.960 +are there. Like I say, the tools, the tools we have, it's not it's not unknown. I mean, there's all + +01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:35.560 +kinds of investigations that can go on to improve these tools and so forth, but the basic set + +01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:43.080 +are there waiting for us to be used. Can I ask you a personal question now? Hey, can I ask you + +01:00:43.080 --> 01:00:48.920 +a personal question? What what do you do for, for, you know, to make ends meet? Are you teaching + +01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:54.440 +anywhere? Do you do you have online course or I mean, why not do it online? I should do an online + +01:00:54.520 --> 01:01:01.240 +course. No, I I basically have private clients. Okay. Would you want would you want enough? + +01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:06.840 +Would you want any help with an online course? Like I could be your technical guy or or I could + +01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:11.800 +I do need to figure out. I do need to do it. I keep swearing. I'm going to, but video is not + +01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:18.040 +I'm very naive about video. Oh, but you could, for example, you could record it in your own home. + +01:01:18.040 --> 01:01:23.160 +I have I have a chalkboard. Right. But then you then you send me the video and I edit it for you and + +01:01:23.160 --> 01:01:28.680 +add subtitles and all that stuff. I can do all that. I would be happy to do it. And we'll chat + +01:01:28.680 --> 01:01:33.960 +about that. Okay. I would think this would be really a good idea. And also, I would obviously + +01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:39.160 +learn from it a lot too. I think that's where we need to go. I think we need people like you + +01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:45.320 +taking over this thing. You know, I mean, if you could it, well, how awesome would it be if you + +01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:52.200 +meet somebody randomly? Oh, yeah, I took Matt Briggs's course last year. Bang. It should be a it should + +01:01:52.200 --> 01:01:57.080 +be something that people put on their website or people put on their social media. It I think + +01:01:57.080 --> 01:02:02.600 +you're a guy who, you know, you have the kind of charisma that can do it. You're you're a good + +01:02:02.600 --> 01:02:07.640 +speaker. And you and you've got all of the work done already in your books. You've already thought + +01:02:07.640 --> 01:02:12.440 +about this and develop these ideas. And so there's nothing I would have colored chalk. Well, there + +01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:17.960 +you go. I mean, is it the fancy stuff from Japan or is it just good? No, that's the one I got that + +01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:24.600 +got the one to this Korean. Yeah, yeah, that's good too. Yeah, no dust. + +01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:31.080 +That's fabulous. Oh my gosh, that's great. I love writing. That's awesome. + +01:02:32.520 --> 01:02:36.920 +If we are at like 59 minutes and I don't know what we said for time, but it feels like a very + +01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:41.560 +good time to wrap up and you just promised to come back because I'll have you on with more material + +01:02:41.560 --> 01:02:46.440 +and more more questions next time we can go into something specific that I get out of James as I + +01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:52.600 +read it. Oh, absolutely. Okay, cool. So I'm going to put this link up one more time. + +01:02:52.600 --> 01:02:57.000 +This is where you can find, unfortunately, it's an Amazon link, but that's the easiest for me. + +01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:01.800 +You can see his full name William M Briggs. You can see the books that he's got available. + +01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:06.440 +I would recommend the yellow one and everything you believe is not wrong, although he has contributed + +01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:13.480 +to this price of panic, which is specifically about the COVID COVID thing. And you can also find + +01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:18.120 +him at I think William M Briggs dot sub stack, something like that is at William Briggs. + +01:03:18.120 --> 01:03:26.440 +W M W M Briggs at sub stack. So thank you very much, Matt, for joining me. + +01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:32.280 +Can you remind me again? Well, maybe I'll do that offline. But I wanted to say hello to your wife + +01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:37.560 +as well. And for whatever reason, my mind is blanking on a name. So please give her a hug and say hello + +01:03:37.560 --> 01:03:43.000 +for me. And we will we will have you on within a month. I guarantee it unless you really object + +01:03:43.640 --> 01:03:47.720 +anytime. Cool. Very good. Very good. Thank you, Matt, for joining me. And I will talk to you again soon. + +01:03:51.720 --> 01:03:57.080 +Bao, Zawi. Okay, that went well. Thank you very much, guys, for joining me. I'm going to put this + +01:03:57.080 --> 01:04:02.600 +little slide back up again. This is, of course, the broken science meeting that happened a couple + +01:04:02.600 --> 01:04:07.400 +weeks ago. I hope Matt wasn't surprised that I let him go there so quick. I'll call him back on + +01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:16.360 +the phone. We are a group of people loosely organized around two people named Emily Kaplan + +01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:22.520 +and Greg Glassman. Greg Glassman is the originator, the creator of CrossFit, a very smart guy who + +01:04:22.520 --> 01:04:28.440 +actually had a very smart Papa named Jeff Glassman who worked for Hughes Aviation. And it was his + +01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:33.720 +upbringing with his very intelligent dad that has brought him all the way to understanding this + +01:04:33.720 --> 01:04:40.520 +stuff because CrossFit ran into legal problems with fake science. Basically, science, fake science + +01:04:40.520 --> 01:04:45.960 +was published to try and say that CrossFit enters people. And over the course of investigating this, + +01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:50.600 +he found out that his dad's been right about science his whole life. And it has put him on this + +01:04:50.600 --> 01:04:57.960 +crusade to try and, you know, leave a legacy for his children and for our children of his dad and + +01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:06.760 +these philosophers like Stove, these thinkers like Stove, and also our contemporaries like Matt + +01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:13.560 +Briggs. And so I really think this is one of the most worthwhile sort of initiatives and I'm so + +01:05:14.120 --> 01:05:19.560 +humbled to be considered a small part of it. So thank you, Emily. Thank you, Greg. And thank + +01:05:19.560 --> 01:05:25.720 +you, Matt, for coming on the show. And I think we're going to have a lot of interesting conversations + +01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:30.120 +as we go forward. At some point in time, of course, we're going to have Greg on the show. But I don't + +01:05:30.120 --> 01:05:34.920 +want to, I don't want to play that card too early because I don't, number one, I'm no, he's a busy + +01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:39.560 +guy. And so that'll be hard to organize. But number two, I want to have all of my ducks in a row and + +01:05:39.560 --> 01:05:44.360 +already have been paid back a little bit to him, the stuff that I've learned through a series of + +01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:49.240 +streams that this is the first one of. So thank you very much, guys, for joining me. This has been + +01:05:49.240 --> 01:05:55.320 +Giga Ohm Biological, a high-resistance, low-noise information brief brought to you by a biologist. + +01:05:55.320 --> 01:06:02.840 +19th of March, 2024. The afternoon shows are going to be a street because I really like this time frame. + +01:06:05.080 --> 01:06:11.400 +Thanks for joining me, guys. 73 people in the chat. Very understandable conversation. I hope + +01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:17.240 +good to see you, Pamela. Thanks for the link in the chat. She's always good for that. + +01:06:17.240 --> 01:06:22.680 +Can I see Janet Reno in the audience? Awesome. I didn't see you there earlier. I'm sorry, Janet. + +01:06:22.680 --> 01:06:30.360 +Janet's one of my favorite anonymous viewers because obviously it's not Janet Reno. It might be, + +01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:39.000 +it might be Ford. Some reason I think it might be Ford or something like that anyway. Thanks very + +01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:47.080 +much for joining me, guys. + +01:07:17.240 --> 01:07:23.240 +Thanks for joining me, and I'll see you in the next video. + diff --git a/twitch/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024)/README.md b/twitch/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024)/README.md new file mode 100644 index 0000000..237c795 --- /dev/null +++ b/twitch/2095365189 (2024-03-19) - William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024)/README.md @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +# William M Briggs LIVE -- (19 Mar 2024) -- Gigaohm Biological High Resistance Low Noise Information Brief + +## Streams +- https://twitch.tv/videos/2095365189 +