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this time up again? + +00:17.320 --> 00:19.080 +Always the same crap. + +00:20.160 --> 00:21.080 +It's no problem. + +00:24.360 --> 00:25.960 +So, Kooti, yes. + +00:27.560 --> 00:29.520 +Well, it's okay for you. + +00:29.520 --> 00:31.720 +Yeah, the sound here is fine for me, as long as you can. + +00:31.720 --> 00:32.720 +Okay, good, fine. + +00:34.120 --> 00:35.400 +So, maybe I'm going to begin with the reynion, + +00:35.400 --> 00:36.480 +as it's still the reynion. + +00:40.720 --> 00:42.520 +Okay, I'm going to start with the reynion. + +00:42.520 --> 00:44.040 +I'm going to start with the reynion. + +00:44.040 --> 00:45.120 +I'm going to start with the reynion. + +00:45.120 --> 00:47.280 +Okay, I'll start with the reynion. + +00:47.280 --> 00:56.600 +Same, nine, ark, seven, six, fune, fier, tri, swy, eyns. + +00:57.600 --> 01:00.160 +Yeah, I'm turning for the reynion. + +01:00.160 --> 01:02.120 +So, I'm going to start with the reynion. + +01:02.120 --> 01:05.120 +I know, I'm excited to see the reynion. + +01:05.120 --> 01:06.240 +I'm going to start with the reynion. + +01:06.240 --> 01:08.920 +I'm going to start with the reynion. + +01:08.920 --> 01:11.200 +I'm going to start with the reynion. + +01:11.200 --> 01:13.000 +Hello, JJ. + +01:13.000 --> 01:15.000 +I'm glad you're with us. + +01:15.000 --> 01:17.600 +We had a little bit of a mix up with regards to timing, + +01:17.600 --> 01:18.840 +but that's no problem. + +01:18.840 --> 01:20.800 +We are very excited to talk to you. + +01:20.800 --> 01:24.840 +It would be great if maybe you could introduce yourself. + +01:25.720 --> 01:29.240 +Yeah, and then we can take it from there. + +01:29.240 --> 01:32.440 +Thanks very much for having me. + +01:32.440 --> 01:37.560 +My name is Jonathan Cooey, and I am a recovering academic + +01:37.560 --> 01:39.920 +neurobiologist. + +01:39.920 --> 01:43.520 +I had about a, I don't know, a 15 or 20 year career + +01:43.520 --> 01:48.560 +as an academic biologist before the pandemic started. + +01:48.560 --> 01:52.880 +And after speaking out against measures and mandates, + +01:52.880 --> 01:55.920 +I was told to go home from my position + +01:55.920 --> 01:58.200 +at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine + +01:58.200 --> 02:01.000 +as a research assistant professor. + +02:01.000 --> 02:04.360 +And I continued to speak out against the, + +02:04.360 --> 02:06.160 +I don't know what I would characterize it as, + +02:06.160 --> 02:09.200 +other than nonsense, the biological nonsense + +02:09.200 --> 02:13.040 +that was being characterized as a pandemic. + +02:13.040 --> 02:14.480 +I didn't figure it out right away. + +02:14.480 --> 02:18.840 +I don't want anybody to think that I came to where I am now + +02:18.840 --> 02:21.800 +after a few days of thinking about it. + +02:21.800 --> 02:26.040 +For a very long time in 2020, I was still convinced + +02:26.040 --> 02:28.240 +that there was a lab leak that was being covered up + +02:28.240 --> 02:31.160 +and that this was what was happening. + +02:31.160 --> 02:35.040 +And as my understanding of virology and the biology + +02:35.040 --> 02:43.920 +underlying the idea of a pandemic started to clarify a little bit, + +02:43.920 --> 02:45.440 +or I started to clarify it a little bit, + +02:45.440 --> 02:49.120 +I've come to realize that that's probably not what happened. + +02:49.120 --> 02:51.160 +And so I've spent my last three years + +02:51.160 --> 02:55.640 +basically trying to learn enough immunology and virology. + +02:55.640 --> 02:59.440 +And the biology that I didn't know previous to the pandemic + +02:59.440 --> 03:02.280 +so that I could understand what really happened. + +03:02.280 --> 03:06.480 +And so I found myself, how can I say it, + +03:06.480 --> 03:09.080 +crossing paths with a lot of people. + +03:09.080 --> 03:11.360 +A lot of people have come to my house in Pittsburgh + +03:11.360 --> 03:14.560 +to visit and talk to me about this stuff. + +03:14.560 --> 03:17.040 +And most of the people that have come to visit me + +03:17.040 --> 03:18.920 +have turned out to be medlers in the sense + +03:18.960 --> 03:23.080 +that they didn't really have my or my family's best interest in mind. + +03:23.080 --> 03:27.120 +And so over the last three years, I've come to understand + +03:27.120 --> 03:29.960 +that most of the people who have stepped up to speak out + +03:29.960 --> 03:35.880 +have in some way or another been well, been compromised. + +03:35.880 --> 03:38.000 +And I don't think it's to say that there are bad people. + +03:38.000 --> 03:42.440 +I think it's to say that something very serious + +03:42.440 --> 03:46.840 +occurred across the globe, across these Western countries + +03:46.840 --> 03:49.760 +that involves a government operation. + +03:49.760 --> 03:54.040 +And that government operation gives a priority to a narrative. + +03:54.040 --> 03:59.560 +And so people who are in control of this theater + +03:59.560 --> 04:02.880 +have perpetuated this narrative that a pandemic occurred + +04:02.880 --> 04:04.680 +and that it's actually not a very bad one. + +04:04.680 --> 04:07.200 +And it could be much worse in the future. + +04:07.200 --> 04:11.240 +And I think this is a mythology that they've been trying to install + +04:11.240 --> 04:14.920 +for a number of years so that our children or the so even worse + +04:14.920 --> 04:17.920 +that we will teach this mythology to our children + +04:17.920 --> 04:19.760 +and that they can be governed by it forever. + +04:19.760 --> 04:24.720 +And I think that's the crossroads that all of humanity is at right now. + +04:24.720 --> 04:28.880 +And it sounds a bit maybe overdramatic or overdramatic, + +04:28.880 --> 04:29.760 +but it's really not. + +04:29.760 --> 04:34.000 +It's really where we are right now. + +04:34.000 --> 04:38.160 +We need to reevaluate our basic understanding of who we are + +04:38.160 --> 04:42.400 +as a species and where we fit in the natural world. + +04:42.520 --> 04:47.840 +And I think we need to start to really introspectively think + +04:47.840 --> 04:50.720 +about what the idea of a pandemic really is + +04:50.720 --> 04:53.760 +and what the biology that they claim really is + +04:53.760 --> 04:56.760 +and then investigate whether or not this biology has + +04:56.760 --> 04:58.200 +any foundation in reality. + +04:58.200 --> 05:01.960 +Because I think we will find that a lot of what + +05:01.960 --> 05:05.040 +is misconstrued as public health is actually + +05:05.040 --> 05:09.280 +a large mythology that's been thrown on us. + +05:09.320 --> 05:13.360 +It sounds very scary and it sounds very daunting + +05:13.360 --> 05:14.640 +to try and penetrate this. + +05:14.640 --> 05:17.240 +But I think in reality, a lot of people + +05:17.240 --> 05:19.800 +have felt this inside for a long time. + +05:19.800 --> 05:23.800 +A lot of academic biologists have the tool set + +05:23.800 --> 05:28.840 +to understand this deception and just have chosen not + +05:28.840 --> 05:34.720 +to apply their critical thinking to this particular problem. + +05:34.720 --> 05:39.200 +And I think that's one of the magics of where I am. + +05:39.200 --> 05:41.920 +I used to be an academic biologist so I understand + +05:41.920 --> 05:46.320 +exactly how focused one has to be in order + +05:46.320 --> 05:47.840 +to succeed in that environment. + +05:47.840 --> 05:51.600 +And that extreme focus and specialization + +05:51.600 --> 05:54.920 +has created a bunch of really smart thinkers + +05:54.920 --> 05:58.560 +that are so hyper focused on one biological problem + +05:58.560 --> 06:01.760 +that they have essentially undermined themselves + +06:01.760 --> 06:03.840 +and as responsible adults. + +06:03.840 --> 06:08.480 +And they can't apply their unique skill set to reality. + +06:08.480 --> 06:12.160 +They just apply it to this one academic pursuit. + +06:12.160 --> 06:14.160 +And they take everything else for granted. + +06:14.160 --> 06:17.880 +And I think that mistake has been made by so many hundreds + +06:17.880 --> 06:21.960 +of thousands of biologists that have this inherent love + +06:21.960 --> 06:24.520 +of biology, this inherent, inherent respect + +06:24.520 --> 06:26.360 +for the sacredness of life. + +06:26.360 --> 06:28.280 +They have this inherent understanding + +06:28.280 --> 06:31.800 +of the irreducible complexity that they are knocking + +06:31.800 --> 06:33.480 +against all the time. + +06:33.480 --> 06:36.560 +And yet some reason or another because of the way + +06:36.560 --> 06:38.720 +the academic environment is set up, + +06:38.720 --> 06:43.880 +people like me who have this intense love of everything + +06:43.880 --> 06:47.480 +alive can be put in a laboratory. + +06:47.480 --> 06:53.560 +And that fascination and that love for everything sacred + +06:53.560 --> 06:58.360 +can be sort of compartmentalized to answer one question. + +06:58.360 --> 07:06.120 +And in that extreme focus, monastery style focus, + +07:06.120 --> 07:08.760 +you lose touch with the rest of the world. + +07:08.760 --> 07:13.600 +And this has resulted in, I think, + +07:13.600 --> 07:18.520 +the biology of public health being + +07:18.520 --> 07:20.320 +contorted into what it is today. + +07:20.320 --> 07:24.400 +And there are no biologists that are in love with biology + +07:24.400 --> 07:28.880 +that are curating this public health mythology. + +07:28.880 --> 07:31.800 +None of these people are there for that reason. + +07:31.800 --> 07:35.760 +They're all there for power, for greed, + +07:35.760 --> 07:40.360 +for intellectual property, for money. + +07:40.360 --> 07:43.320 +None of these individuals that have led us + +07:43.320 --> 07:47.520 +through the last four years are children who + +07:47.520 --> 07:50.320 +grew up as biologists and teachers who + +07:50.320 --> 07:54.280 +grew up as biologists and lovers of the natural world. + +07:54.280 --> 07:57.240 +These are not who we are being led by right now. + +07:57.240 --> 08:00.480 +We are being led by individuals who, + +08:00.480 --> 08:03.160 +by wittingly or unwittingly, have given up + +08:03.160 --> 08:07.640 +the understanding of what it means to be a human + +08:07.640 --> 08:09.920 +and what it means to understand where + +08:09.920 --> 08:12.480 +that line of sacredness starts. + +08:12.480 --> 08:14.880 +When a baby comes out of the womb, it's pretty much perfect. + +08:14.880 --> 08:18.120 +That idea has been wholly discarded + +08:18.120 --> 08:20.400 +by our academic biologists. + +08:20.400 --> 08:24.280 +And that's really a tragedy from which this all comes. + +08:24.280 --> 08:26.680 +And so it has a really long introduction + +08:26.680 --> 08:29.080 +that I would say I'm a lifelong biologist who + +08:29.080 --> 08:32.000 +wandered his way through life trying + +08:32.000 --> 08:34.800 +to figure out what to do with this extreme fascination + +08:34.800 --> 08:36.400 +and love for the living world. + +08:36.400 --> 08:39.400 +And I found myself in academic biology + +08:39.400 --> 08:42.400 +for a long time asking questions about the brain + +08:42.400 --> 08:45.160 +and being very happy with that job. + +08:45.160 --> 08:47.440 +I actually thought it was the most amazing job + +08:47.440 --> 08:50.440 +because I got to use high-powered electron, + +08:50.440 --> 08:52.960 +or not electron, but a high-powered microscopes, + +08:52.960 --> 08:54.880 +high-powered confocal microscopy. + +08:54.880 --> 08:56.560 +It's a lot of photography. + +08:56.560 --> 08:59.720 +It's a lot of high-precision measurements. + +08:59.720 --> 09:02.360 +It's a lot of very interesting things + +09:02.360 --> 09:04.800 +that include surgery and all this other stuff + +09:04.800 --> 09:05.880 +that you get to do. + +09:05.880 --> 09:08.040 +And so it's a really wonderful pursuit + +09:08.040 --> 09:10.280 +because you really are monastery-style, + +09:10.280 --> 09:12.080 +focused on a question. + +09:12.080 --> 09:15.640 +But now the question becomes, is that the right question? + +09:15.640 --> 09:19.600 +Are you pursuing an avenue which is expanding + +09:19.600 --> 09:22.480 +our understanding of who we are as a species? + +09:22.480 --> 09:24.720 +And I believed personally what I was doing + +09:24.720 --> 09:26.160 +in neuroscience was doing that. + +09:26.160 --> 09:29.440 +But I also was keenly aware that there were many, many, + +09:29.440 --> 09:32.640 +many avenues of investigation that we're not doing that. + +09:32.640 --> 09:35.640 +And not just in neuroscience, but across the board + +09:35.640 --> 09:38.200 +in the biological sciences in general. + +09:38.200 --> 09:42.440 +And that's really the unique perspective I think I bring + +09:42.440 --> 09:46.240 +to this is that I've had my feet on the floor + +09:46.240 --> 09:49.440 +of a laboratory where grant money is important + +09:49.440 --> 09:50.560 +for a very long time. + +09:50.560 --> 09:54.200 +I watched how this, what this does to intelligent people + +09:54.200 --> 09:58.200 +and how rewarding it feels for them + +09:58.200 --> 09:59.720 +to succeed in this environment, + +09:59.720 --> 10:02.440 +but also how isolating it is + +10:02.440 --> 10:07.440 +and how it takes away the power + +10:09.040 --> 10:11.800 +that they would have as a leader in their community, + +10:11.800 --> 10:12.960 +for example. + +10:12.960 --> 10:15.560 +Most of these people, I'm just babbling here. + +10:15.560 --> 10:18.600 +Most of these people who are professors + +10:18.600 --> 10:22.120 +at universities should probably also be community leaders + +10:22.120 --> 10:25.040 +where maybe they're a mayor or they're a board member + +10:25.040 --> 10:28.480 +or they influence decision in their community. + +10:28.480 --> 10:32.920 +But because this academic job is so all encompassing + +10:32.920 --> 10:37.320 +and so borders on obsession, + +10:37.320 --> 10:39.680 +they have no extra energy for their children + +10:39.680 --> 10:40.880 +or for their wife or their marriage. + +10:40.880 --> 10:43.800 +Nevermind for contributing to the governance + +10:43.800 --> 10:44.640 +of their community. + +10:44.640 --> 10:48.960 +So one of the amazing things that this academic, + +10:49.880 --> 10:54.360 +you know, the ivory tower has done to the way that our, + +10:55.680 --> 10:58.440 +we govern our communities is that some of the, + +10:58.440 --> 11:01.760 +who probably would be some of the more respectable leaders, + +11:01.760 --> 11:04.360 +some of the more articulate leaders + +11:04.360 --> 11:06.280 +have been taken out of that arena + +11:06.280 --> 11:09.160 +and put into this, you know, + +11:09.160 --> 11:12.000 +this rat race ladder climbing exercise + +11:12.000 --> 11:13.560 +which feels very good to them + +11:13.560 --> 11:15.520 +because they get to ask these, + +11:15.520 --> 11:17.280 +what they feel are interesting questions, + +11:17.280 --> 11:21.280 +but the way that the funding has been used to sculpt + +11:21.280 --> 11:25.600 +that pursuit for the last 40 years has resulted + +11:25.600 --> 11:28.640 +in a lot of wasted money, a lot of wasted pursuit + +11:28.640 --> 11:31.640 +and a lot of bad assumptions + +11:31.640 --> 11:34.360 +upon which public health is now based. + +11:34.360 --> 11:38.360 +And so we have many, many years of work + +11:38.360 --> 11:43.360 +to try to reverse this and the pandemic, + +11:43.760 --> 11:47.040 +I hope has given us some open windows + +11:47.040 --> 11:49.440 +with which to show people what's really going on + +11:49.440 --> 11:50.640 +and what's really happening. + +11:50.640 --> 11:54.480 +And so I'm hoping that we can maintain this momentum enough + +11:54.480 --> 11:58.600 +so that we can start to get to a lot of these academic biologists + +11:58.600 --> 12:03.120 +who as I said earlier have the tool set to crack this puzzle + +12:03.120 --> 12:07.160 +but haven't yet put any of their critical thinking faculties + +12:07.160 --> 12:08.600 +toward reality again. + +12:08.600 --> 12:10.880 +They're still super focused on their, + +12:10.920 --> 12:14.360 +their academic pursuits because that's what they've told + +12:14.360 --> 12:17.480 +is the way that they're supposed to contribute to the world. + +12:17.480 --> 12:19.080 +So that, I don't know how that, + +12:19.080 --> 12:20.880 +that's the worst introduction I've ever given, + +12:20.880 --> 12:21.960 +but there it is. + +12:22.920 --> 12:23.760 +That's all right. + +12:23.760 --> 12:26.680 +I think it's right on the point basically. + +12:26.680 --> 12:28.600 +So would you think that because, + +12:28.600 --> 12:31.600 +I mean, since there's a lot of grant money involved, + +12:31.600 --> 12:36.160 +so people, you say it's maybe also limiting their, + +12:36.160 --> 12:38.040 +you know, the approach they take + +12:38.040 --> 12:41.200 +to what they, the field that they maybe do research in + +12:41.200 --> 12:45.520 +because there's money only for this kind of research and so on. + +12:45.520 --> 12:50.520 +So that also makes a limits, you know, the fields where you, + +12:51.080 --> 12:53.480 +and maybe it's also an incentive, + +12:53.480 --> 12:56.840 +an incentive for maybe even coming out with like say, + +12:56.840 --> 13:00.840 +fraudulent or like manipulated statistics and so on + +13:00.840 --> 13:02.960 +because you, you think, oh, it has to be, + +13:02.960 --> 13:05.360 +there's more, more grants coming up if I say, + +13:05.360 --> 13:06.760 +oh, there's long COVID and I have, + +13:06.760 --> 13:08.960 +we have to do this and that or so. + +13:08.960 --> 13:10.880 +That's also a distortion. + +13:10.880 --> 13:12.280 +It's definitely spot on. + +13:12.280 --> 13:15.480 +I think that, that, that I can give you several examples + +13:15.480 --> 13:17.760 +where this is actually the primary mechanism + +13:17.760 --> 13:22.760 +by which these, these idea spaces are, are sculpted. + +13:23.000 --> 13:27.480 +And so one example might be the genetic causes of autism. + +13:27.480 --> 13:31.600 +If you fund $1 billion to investigate genetic correlations + +13:31.600 --> 13:36.040 +with autism and you, you, you use these grants + +13:36.040 --> 13:38.320 +to do a couple different things. + +13:38.320 --> 13:42.320 +Number one, you use these grants to tell people like me + +13:42.320 --> 13:44.240 +what the right question to ask is. + +13:44.240 --> 13:48.560 +Now, if I'm an academic biologist, I need to find money. + +13:48.560 --> 13:50.640 +And so I've got to look for grant calls + +13:50.640 --> 13:53.800 +and every grant call has a specific little limited window + +13:53.800 --> 13:56.880 +of investigation that your question should fall under. + +13:56.880 --> 14:00.760 +And in this respect of genetic causes of autism + +14:00.760 --> 14:05.160 +has caused an entire field of neuroscience + +14:05.160 --> 14:10.160 +to almost completely transform into the assumption + +14:10.520 --> 14:14.360 +that autism is caused exclusively by genes. + +14:14.360 --> 14:17.800 +And so there has been so much investigation + +14:17.800 --> 14:21.400 +into correlation in animal models of autism, + +14:21.400 --> 14:24.520 +which are another thing that get, + +14:24.520 --> 14:27.840 +that get, essentially they get codified or, + +14:27.840 --> 14:30.440 +or canonized by these grant calls + +14:30.440 --> 14:33.200 +because after five years of funding research + +14:33.240 --> 14:35.760 +into the genetic causes of autism, + +14:35.760 --> 14:38.600 +you've also funded five years of research + +14:38.600 --> 14:41.120 +into animal models of autism. + +14:41.120 --> 14:45.280 +And by, by no fault of their own + +14:45.280 --> 14:47.320 +have made these legitimate models, + +14:47.320 --> 14:49.520 +legitimate models because all these papers + +14:49.520 --> 14:51.480 +from the previous years have come out. + +14:51.480 --> 14:55.360 +And so now there's a whole field that has precedence. + +14:55.360 --> 14:58.000 +And these models have precedence so that you can say, + +14:58.000 --> 15:00.760 +well, this guy did this study and this guy + +15:00.760 --> 15:02.600 +and this lady did this study. + +15:02.600 --> 15:06.720 +And so I'm following on the footsteps of their work. + +15:06.720 --> 15:09.760 +And so this pattern of building up + +15:09.760 --> 15:13.480 +the scientific literature has resulted in whole fields + +15:13.480 --> 15:16.000 +which are essentially probably working + +15:16.000 --> 15:17.720 +on the wrong assumption set, + +15:17.720 --> 15:21.040 +but have perpetuated because there is this literature + +15:21.040 --> 15:24.720 +foundation that they can use to justify what they're doing + +15:24.720 --> 15:27.720 +and what they're doing still fits + +15:27.720 --> 15:30.080 +within these grant research calls + +15:30.080 --> 15:32.520 +and these broad, not broad, + +15:32.520 --> 15:35.000 +but very limited spectrums of investigation + +15:35.000 --> 15:36.760 +that are established by the grant calls. + +15:36.760 --> 15:40.480 +And so it is of utmost importance to understand + +15:40.480 --> 15:43.440 +that the vast majority of academic neuroscientists, + +15:43.440 --> 15:46.720 +academic biologists, anybody that's investigating + +15:46.720 --> 15:50.880 +a medical thing is investigating a question + +15:50.880 --> 15:53.560 +that has been, they have been pigeonholed + +15:53.560 --> 15:56.320 +into asking because of who they studied with, + +15:56.320 --> 15:59.360 +what they did in their PhD, why they did their postdoc, + +15:59.360 --> 16:04.200 +these things already start to limit the sliver of biology + +16:04.200 --> 16:05.560 +that people can investigate. + +16:05.560 --> 16:09.480 +And then once they start trying to solicit their own money, + +16:09.480 --> 16:12.600 +they almost are forced to work on things + +16:12.600 --> 16:14.080 +that they worked on in the past + +16:14.080 --> 16:15.960 +in order to justify their expertise. + +16:15.960 --> 16:19.000 +And then lo and behold, you've got a whole world + +16:19.000 --> 16:22.000 +full of academic biologists that specialize + +16:22.000 --> 16:25.400 +in a sliver of knowledge and a sliver of investigation. + +16:25.400 --> 16:27.480 +And by definition, are very careful + +16:27.480 --> 16:29.200 +about not stepping outside of that + +16:29.200 --> 16:31.520 +so that nobody can criticize them. + +16:31.520 --> 16:32.680 +And so this is... + +16:32.680 --> 16:34.280 +There's also a lot of angst involved. + +16:34.280 --> 16:35.640 +Absolutely there is. + +16:35.640 --> 16:38.320 +And in fact, that's a lot of how these fields work + +16:38.320 --> 16:41.600 +is that you become an expert in your sub-field, + +16:41.600 --> 16:43.800 +of this sub-field and then everybody cites you + +16:43.800 --> 16:45.680 +and they need to cite that thing, + +16:45.680 --> 16:47.200 +but they don't investigate it + +16:47.200 --> 16:49.280 +because they know that you're doing it. + +16:49.280 --> 16:52.600 +And so as long as this little, you know, + +16:52.600 --> 16:57.200 +monastery system of biology continues, + +16:57.200 --> 17:00.120 +then with certain funding streams + +17:00.120 --> 17:02.280 +and with certain priorities, + +17:02.280 --> 17:07.280 +they can perpetuate the idea that public health is X, Y, and Z, + +17:07.400 --> 17:11.480 +that pandemic potential can be measured with X, Y, and Z. + +17:11.480 --> 17:16.120 +And after 10 years, they have a literature foundation + +17:16.120 --> 17:18.760 +which can be pointed to as pandemic potential. + +17:18.760 --> 17:21.480 +And I think that's one of the tricks + +17:21.480 --> 17:23.800 +that has been pulled on us since about, + +17:23.800 --> 17:27.160 +I would say 2002, where they have slowly + +17:27.160 --> 17:32.160 +but surely led academic biologists, + +17:32.560 --> 17:35.720 +led bureaucrats and led the common populace + +17:35.720 --> 17:38.200 +into believing that RNA, + +17:38.200 --> 17:41.160 +if it has the right combination of bases, + +17:41.160 --> 17:44.000 +can perpetuate itself around the world + +17:44.000 --> 17:45.600 +with high fidelity for many years. + +17:45.600 --> 17:48.280 +And that's just biologically not true. + +17:48.280 --> 17:52.440 +RNA cannot make a protein + +17:52.440 --> 17:56.360 +and then copy itself and then jump from people to people + +17:56.360 --> 18:00.320 +without changing its sequence for hundreds of infections + +18:00.320 --> 18:05.320 +over millions of, the story that they've told us + +18:05.320 --> 18:07.800 +is not possible using RNA. + +18:07.800 --> 18:11.840 +It's just not, you can't leak RNA in a puddle + +18:11.840 --> 18:14.600 +and then have it get into one person's lungs + +18:14.600 --> 18:19.080 +and then some mechanism by which that RNA copies itself + +18:19.080 --> 18:20.920 +with high enough fidelity to be found + +18:20.920 --> 18:24.280 +in several places around the world with few changes. + +18:24.280 --> 18:25.840 +And then a few months later, + +18:25.840 --> 18:29.200 +many more places around the world with very few changes. + +18:29.200 --> 18:31.280 +This level of fidelity, + +18:31.280 --> 18:34.440 +there is no support for this in the biological literature. + +18:34.440 --> 18:39.440 +There is support for signals in this size scale. + +18:40.880 --> 18:44.920 +There is support for genetic signals of DNA and RNA + +18:44.920 --> 18:47.640 +in the background, but what they've done + +18:47.680 --> 18:52.160 +is essentially turned up the volume on a ham radio + +18:52.160 --> 18:54.720 +that's picking up noise from the atmosphere + +18:54.720 --> 18:56.640 +and then turned it up loud enough + +18:56.640 --> 18:59.400 +so that they could use an algorithm to say in that noise, + +18:59.400 --> 19:01.320 +there's some order. + +19:01.320 --> 19:05.560 +And we have been allowed, + +19:05.560 --> 19:07.400 +they have been allowed to get away with it + +19:07.400 --> 19:09.920 +because of the way that academic biology + +19:09.920 --> 19:14.920 +is in this monastery style, hyperspecialized. + +19:15.480 --> 19:17.760 +And then they've controlled that specialization. + +19:17.760 --> 19:20.320 +How many people work on coronaviruses? + +19:20.320 --> 19:22.920 +How many people work on RNA viruses? + +19:22.920 --> 19:24.960 +Not very many. + +19:24.960 --> 19:27.520 +And the ones that work on the ones that matter + +19:27.520 --> 19:29.600 +for purposes of pandemic + +19:29.600 --> 19:33.120 +and purposes of establishing pandemic potential, + +19:33.120 --> 19:35.520 +the list is extremely short. + +19:36.560 --> 19:37.920 +And the same people have- + +19:37.920 --> 19:38.920 +How many people? + +19:38.920 --> 19:39.760 +Sorry. + +19:39.760 --> 19:42.960 +I mean, it's less than 20. + +19:42.960 --> 19:44.320 +It's less than 15. + +19:44.320 --> 19:47.720 +Like worldwide, you think it's like 20 scientists + +19:47.720 --> 19:49.680 +to control this narrative? + +19:49.680 --> 19:53.480 +I mean, it's certainly less than 20 scientists + +19:53.480 --> 19:55.800 +that control the clones. + +19:55.800 --> 19:58.360 +And so that's the part of this + +19:58.360 --> 20:01.080 +that I think everybody essentially is missing + +20:01.080 --> 20:06.120 +and the part that I feel as though I want to be challenged on. + +20:06.120 --> 20:09.760 +I want some molecular biologist to come and say that I'm wrong. + +20:09.760 --> 20:14.000 +But essentially, what I feel like has ruined my life + +20:14.000 --> 20:16.680 +is not coming out against the lab leak + +20:16.680 --> 20:18.000 +or saying it's a lab leak. + +20:18.000 --> 20:20.680 +It's not coming out and saying the natural immunity + +20:20.680 --> 20:25.240 +to previous RNAs is more than adequate + +20:25.240 --> 20:29.160 +to protect us from this new one, if there is a new one. + +20:29.160 --> 20:31.160 +And that didn't ruin my life either. + +20:31.160 --> 20:35.720 +What ruined my life was when I started to say out loud + +20:35.720 --> 20:37.880 +that RNA can't pandemic, + +20:37.880 --> 20:42.080 +that RNA can't copy itself even once, + +20:42.080 --> 20:44.400 +it can't copy itself perfectly. + +20:44.400 --> 20:46.920 +DNA, because it's double-stranded, + +20:46.920 --> 20:50.400 +has this built-in ability to, + +20:50.400 --> 20:54.560 +it shows its errors because the double helix doesn't complete. + +20:54.560 --> 20:57.080 +At least that's how the cartoon is told to us. + +20:57.080 --> 20:59.560 +And there are other accessory enzymes + +20:59.560 --> 21:02.320 +that can come along and repair those errors. + +21:02.320 --> 21:07.320 +And so copying DNA into more DNA is thought to be + +21:08.320 --> 21:12.160 +from a biology perspective, a very high fidelity process. + +21:12.160 --> 21:15.160 +But copying RNA is actually something + +21:15.160 --> 21:17.200 +that isn't done very often. + +21:17.200 --> 21:19.320 +And so when it is done in the context + +21:19.320 --> 21:23.880 +of the virology cartoon, it is done in two different contexts. + +21:23.880 --> 21:26.800 +One is the negative strand RNA virus + +21:26.800 --> 21:30.360 +where they have to have an enzyme along with them. + +21:30.360 --> 21:34.240 +Because a negative strand RNA, like in a measles virus, + +21:34.240 --> 21:37.520 +can't be immediately converted into a protein + +21:37.520 --> 21:39.480 +by hijacking our machinery. + +21:39.480 --> 21:42.840 +Because it's a negative strand RNA, it doesn't work. + +21:42.840 --> 21:47.920 +So they need to have built into the viral a protein + +21:47.920 --> 21:51.560 +that can copy that RNA into a positive strand RNA + +21:51.560 --> 21:54.440 +which can run through our ribosome. + +21:54.440 --> 21:57.120 +So it's an interesting cartoon already. + +21:57.120 --> 22:01.240 +When you contrast the cartoon of a flu virus + +22:01.240 --> 22:03.320 +there are a measles virus which needs to have + +22:03.320 --> 22:06.520 +a built in protein enzyme already present + +22:06.520 --> 22:11.120 +in every variant that's gonna be infectious + +22:11.120 --> 22:13.640 +versus a coronavirus that actually doesn't + +22:13.640 --> 22:16.600 +because it's a positive strand, single stranded RNA + +22:16.600 --> 22:20.520 +and it actually, supposedly contains an RNA code + +22:20.520 --> 22:22.880 +for the RNA dependent RNA polymerase. + +22:22.880 --> 22:25.560 +And so it doesn't have one in the viral + +22:25.560 --> 22:27.920 +but instead it makes one. + +22:27.920 --> 22:31.000 +And then that enzyme is supposed to copy + +22:31.040 --> 22:32.800 +and make new viruses. + +22:32.800 --> 22:37.800 +So in these two sort of illustrations, + +22:39.160 --> 22:41.200 +what you don't hear and what you don't see + +22:41.200 --> 22:45.480 +is that every single time the RNA dependent RNA polymerase + +22:45.480 --> 22:49.320 +makes a copy of that RNA by definition there are errors. + +22:49.320 --> 22:54.320 +It has to be, that is the foundational understanding + +22:54.320 --> 22:55.160 +of how this works. + +22:55.160 --> 22:57.440 +There's can't be proofreading. + +22:57.440 --> 23:02.440 +There is a accessory protein called exon exon + +23:03.520 --> 23:07.360 +that supposedly can increase the fidelity + +23:07.360 --> 23:10.920 +of coronavirus genome replication + +23:10.920 --> 23:12.560 +but it's not proofreading. + +23:12.560 --> 23:15.720 +It can't be proofreading because there's a very, + +23:15.720 --> 23:17.080 +it's not even really well understood + +23:17.080 --> 23:21.400 +but there's ever a double stranded RNA moment + +23:21.400 --> 23:24.000 +during the copying of the RNA in these things + +23:24.000 --> 23:26.200 +because we don't understand very well how this works. + +23:26.200 --> 23:29.960 +But the point would be that what they have described to us + +23:30.960 --> 23:35.960 +is a phenomenon where an RNA with a 30,000 base pair genome + +23:37.040 --> 23:42.040 +could be found in Iran, in Wuhan, in Washington state + +23:42.040 --> 23:46.840 +and in Italy and that a few months later + +23:46.840 --> 23:50.040 +it could be found in New York and in Florida + +23:50.040 --> 23:54.360 +and in Oklahoma and that relatively speaking + +23:54.360 --> 23:58.240 +that RNA signal would be almost identical + +23:58.240 --> 24:02.720 +across 30,000 bases, across all these different measurements + +24:02.720 --> 24:06.560 +and that has no precedence in the history of biology. + +24:06.560 --> 24:10.280 +There's no, not one paper that has ever demonstrated + +24:10.280 --> 24:12.080 +that this is even remotely possible + +24:12.080 --> 24:14.720 +and we have to understand what they've implied. + +24:14.720 --> 24:18.600 +They've implied millions of infections + +24:18.600 --> 24:22.080 +by the same RNA virus that originated from a point + +24:23.080 --> 24:26.840 +and that's just, it's the unfathomability, + +24:26.840 --> 24:30.520 +it's just so beyond absurd + +24:30.520 --> 24:34.720 +and then the spectacular commitment to this is what happened, + +24:34.720 --> 24:40.720 +it just reveals the thing for what it is. + +24:40.720 --> 24:43.480 +And so here's where we go full circle that I apologize, + +24:43.480 --> 24:46.040 +I almost lost track of my thoughts. + +24:46.040 --> 24:50.440 +If RNA can't do this, then what's really going on? + +24:50.520 --> 24:53.520 +Well, for the last 30 years, + +24:53.520 --> 24:55.840 +RNA viruses have been very difficult, + +24:55.840 --> 24:59.360 +if not impossible, to grow in culture. + +24:59.360 --> 25:01.480 +I'm not an expert on flu virus, + +25:01.480 --> 25:04.920 +but it does seem to be that flu viruses, + +25:04.920 --> 25:08.960 +flu virologists say that they can grow flu virus in cultures + +25:08.960 --> 25:11.320 +and in eggs and then they get a lot more flu virus. + +25:11.320 --> 25:13.960 +So I can't argue and I won't argue, + +25:13.960 --> 25:16.080 +I'm not sophisticated enough to argue with that, + +25:16.080 --> 25:18.600 +but what I will argue with is that what they grow there + +25:18.680 --> 25:25.520 +is a very heterogeneous, very mixed bag of RNA exosomes + +25:25.520 --> 25:31.160 +or RNA particles, it's not a high fidelity version + +25:31.160 --> 25:34.520 +of the flu and that's because of the way + +25:34.520 --> 25:37.000 +that these genes are copied + +25:37.000 --> 25:38.440 +and the way they sort themselves out. + +25:38.440 --> 25:41.160 +But it may be something that's useful + +25:41.160 --> 25:42.680 +for exposing your immune system, + +25:42.680 --> 25:46.880 +but my point is that when they study these viruses + +25:46.960 --> 25:49.000 +and it includes the flu, + +25:49.000 --> 25:52.280 +that a very standard procedure for these RNA signals + +25:52.280 --> 25:53.800 +is to convert them to DNA + +25:53.800 --> 25:56.360 +so that you can always go back to that sequence. + +25:56.360 --> 25:57.640 +And why is that important? + +25:57.640 --> 26:00.320 +Well, because it's not natural. + +26:00.320 --> 26:04.080 +If you sample whatever these RNA signals are + +26:04.080 --> 26:06.680 +from a bat or from a pangolin, + +26:06.680 --> 26:12.040 +you are basically using a very tiny PCR amplicon + +26:12.040 --> 26:14.120 +to be a flag for the existence + +26:14.120 --> 26:18.560 +of what you assume to be a 30,000 base pair genome. + +26:18.560 --> 26:21.240 +Once you get that very small amplicon flag, + +26:21.240 --> 26:22.880 +you say, oh yeah, there it is. + +26:22.880 --> 26:27.960 +And so then you use a fishing method to turn up the noise + +26:27.960 --> 26:30.360 +and then you look for a signal that fits + +26:30.360 --> 26:34.440 +a preconceived notion of what a coronavirus is. + +26:34.440 --> 26:37.560 +When you find it, you can't do anything about it. + +26:37.560 --> 26:39.160 +You can't grow that in a dish. + +26:39.160 --> 26:41.240 +You can't put it in a cell culture + +26:41.240 --> 26:43.240 +and grow enough of it to send all around the world + +26:43.240 --> 26:45.800 +because that's really not how they work. + +26:45.800 --> 26:49.440 +And instead, and they're trying to blame it on Ralph Barrick, + +26:49.440 --> 26:52.000 +but I think that's a little bit of a fudge + +26:52.000 --> 26:53.920 +in the sense of this molecular biology + +26:53.920 --> 26:55.440 +has been around for a very long time + +26:55.440 --> 26:57.640 +and applying it to these particular sequences + +26:57.640 --> 26:59.160 +is not that big a deal. + +26:59.160 --> 27:04.200 +We have known how to take different DNA pieces + +27:04.200 --> 27:07.080 +and stitch them together using endonucleases. + +27:07.080 --> 27:09.840 +We've known this for a very long time. + +27:09.840 --> 27:12.800 +Molecular biologists have been putting together + +27:12.800 --> 27:15.840 +different sequences of DNA for decades now. + +27:15.840 --> 27:20.840 +And so using this to make a 30,000 base pair genome + +27:21.840 --> 27:24.600 +of a coronavirus and then grow a lot of that DNA + +27:24.600 --> 27:27.160 +is a very normal baking procedure + +27:27.160 --> 27:31.840 +in pharmaceutical companies when they make antibodies. + +27:31.840 --> 27:33.720 +They have to do a very similar thing. + +27:35.120 --> 27:39.360 +Making biologic oftentimes involves making a DNA construct + +27:39.360 --> 27:40.760 +and then the protein comes from it. + +27:40.760 --> 27:43.520 +But the intermediate there is an RNA. + +27:43.520 --> 27:46.280 +And so the way that they've made this shot for everybody, + +27:46.280 --> 27:50.800 +the transfection shot is just simply a bacterial culture + +27:50.800 --> 27:54.240 +that makes the DNA and the DNA is, + +27:54.240 --> 27:56.720 +they lice the culture, they take the DNA out + +27:56.720 --> 27:59.720 +and then they put an RNA polymerase on it, + +27:59.720 --> 28:02.800 +they make the RNA, they purify the RNA as best they can + +28:02.800 --> 28:04.920 +and then they injected that into people + +28:04.920 --> 28:07.240 +after they combined it with a lipid nanoparticle. + +28:07.240 --> 28:09.800 +The point is is that the only way, + +28:09.800 --> 28:12.560 +the only way they've been able to study coronaviruses + +28:12.560 --> 28:14.640 +is if they start from a DNA construct + +28:14.640 --> 28:16.560 +that they make RNA clones from. + +28:16.560 --> 28:20.760 +And so all of these papers that have ever studied SARS-1, + +28:20.760 --> 28:22.480 +for example, you can look this up, + +28:22.480 --> 28:25.600 +a lot of these papers start with SARS-Urbani. + +28:25.600 --> 28:28.280 +SARS-Urbani is a sequence of SARS-1 + +28:28.280 --> 28:31.920 +taken from a guy named Urbani in 2003 or 2002 + +28:32.800 --> 28:35.600 +and they constructed a DNA clone of it. + +28:35.600 --> 28:38.960 +And then they generated RNA from that DNA clone. + +28:39.800 --> 28:42.720 +And now if you think very carefully about what happens + +28:42.720 --> 28:45.600 +when the natural virus is put into a cell culture + +28:45.600 --> 28:48.280 +or natural viruses sampled in nature, + +28:48.280 --> 28:53.080 +you have an RNA that's being copied by an RNA polymerase. + +28:53.080 --> 28:55.200 +When they make clones, they have a DNA + +28:55.200 --> 28:58.880 +that's being translated into RNA by an RNA polymerase, + +28:58.880 --> 29:01.280 +not an RNA dependent RNA polymerase, + +29:01.280 --> 29:03.720 +but an RNA polymerase that's designed to work + +29:03.720 --> 29:07.720 +or has evolved to work from DNA to RNA. + +29:07.760 --> 29:10.880 +And so that copying process is a little bit higher fidelity + +29:10.880 --> 29:13.840 +and more importantly, the template is higher fidelity. + +29:14.880 --> 29:17.440 +The enzyme doesn't jump off of DNA + +29:17.440 --> 29:19.880 +when it's making the RNA because that would make, + +29:19.880 --> 29:22.920 +that would be a big problem for us and making proteins. + +29:22.920 --> 29:27.360 +But the RNA dependent RNA polymerase is already well known + +29:27.360 --> 29:31.120 +to have a propensity to make many, many, many short genomic + +29:31.120 --> 29:33.800 +sequences of RNA as it copies the genome + +29:33.800 --> 29:37.760 +and almost never makes it from beginning to end + +29:37.760 --> 29:42.080 +of the original RNA and that can be seen in experiments + +29:42.080 --> 29:43.920 +from the 70s all the way up until now. + +29:43.920 --> 29:45.720 +No matter how they measurement, + +29:45.720 --> 29:48.120 +the full genome almost never gets copied + +29:48.120 --> 29:50.000 +and hundreds of thousands of copies + +29:50.000 --> 29:53.160 +of the sub-genomic RNAs are present after this happens. + +29:53.160 --> 29:56.400 +So again, the point is, is that whenever they've tried + +29:56.400 --> 29:59.800 +to sample these RNA signals from the wild, + +29:59.800 --> 30:03.400 +they peter out, they disappear, they collapse, + +30:03.400 --> 30:05.560 +there might have been a signal in the animal, + +30:05.560 --> 30:07.960 +there might have been a signal in the sick person, + +30:07.960 --> 30:09.960 +but they're never able to reconstruct + +30:09.960 --> 30:13.280 +and sustain this signal in any laboratory preparation + +30:13.280 --> 30:18.280 +because of the nature of RNA copying its lack of fidelity + +30:21.120 --> 30:26.120 +and the sort of erroneous nature of RNA dependent RNA polymerases + +30:26.120 --> 30:27.920 +the way that they work. + +30:27.920 --> 30:32.400 +And so they bypass this whole problem + +30:32.400 --> 30:36.200 +by taking whatever signal they purport to find in nature + +30:36.200 --> 30:39.840 +and making an RNA construct and always starting from there + +30:39.840 --> 30:44.840 +because then when they inject that infectious RNA + +30:45.080 --> 30:48.680 +into the animal, they are injecting a concentration + +30:48.680 --> 30:53.440 +and purity of full genome RNAs that could never, + +30:53.440 --> 30:56.960 +ever, ever, ever, ever be found in nature, + +30:56.960 --> 31:00.800 +could never occur in nature, could never exist in nature + +31:00.800 --> 31:03.560 +because again, RNA dependent RNA polymerase + +31:03.560 --> 31:05.840 +can't copy RNA like that. + +31:05.840 --> 31:07.600 +But if you take a DNA copy of it + +31:07.600 --> 31:11.320 +and then use a commercial version of RNA polymerase, + +31:11.320 --> 31:16.320 +you can make a very, very large, relatively pure amount + +31:19.200 --> 31:23.360 +of self-replicating RNA that you can put in an animal, + +31:23.360 --> 31:25.200 +you can send around the world, + +31:25.200 --> 31:27.800 +you can put on cell culture and the cell culture + +31:27.800 --> 31:30.840 +will make lots more RNA. + +31:30.840 --> 31:35.840 +And so all of the basic biology of virology + +31:35.920 --> 31:39.240 +can be of coronavirus virology can be recreated + +31:39.240 --> 31:42.360 +using these clones, but these clones, I'm arguing, + +31:42.360 --> 31:46.920 +are nowhere near related to whatever RNA signal + +31:46.920 --> 31:48.680 +they purport to be finding in nature. + +31:48.680 --> 31:51.440 +It just can't be possible, it's not. + +31:51.440 --> 31:54.480 +And this is, on the other hand, + +31:54.480 --> 31:57.480 +I hope that eventually I can shut up, + +31:57.480 --> 32:02.480 +is that this is the easy right in front of our hand, + +32:02.760 --> 32:04.840 +right in front of our face explanation + +32:04.840 --> 32:07.240 +for how this sequence could have been found + +32:07.240 --> 32:10.120 +in so many places at the same time. + +32:10.120 --> 32:13.400 +Because this is how coronavirus biology is done. + +32:13.400 --> 32:15.760 +If you wanted five labs in the world + +32:15.760 --> 32:17.760 +to work on your new coronavirus, + +32:17.760 --> 32:19.840 +the way that Ralph Barrick would do it + +32:19.840 --> 32:22.000 +is he would make a CDNA clone of it, + +32:22.000 --> 32:24.360 +he would produce enough infectious RNA + +32:24.360 --> 32:25.880 +to send around to all these labs + +32:25.920 --> 32:28.200 +and they'd all get a perfect sample. + +32:28.200 --> 32:30.800 +And that's indeed what they've done with SARS-CoV-2 + +32:30.800 --> 32:31.960 +and some of these variants, + +32:31.960 --> 32:33.840 +that's what they've done with Omicron, + +32:33.840 --> 32:35.720 +that's what they do with a pangolin virus + +32:35.720 --> 32:38.240 +that they're now saying was 100% lethal + +32:38.240 --> 32:42.520 +in the ACE2, or human ACE2 mice that they put it in, + +32:42.520 --> 32:46.280 +they are confounding all of these different assumptions + +32:46.280 --> 32:50.080 +together and the result is a mythology + +32:50.080 --> 32:51.520 +that we're supposed to teach our kids, + +32:51.520 --> 32:53.520 +which is that RNA can pandemic + +32:53.560 --> 32:55.840 +and this was an easy one + +32:55.840 --> 32:58.280 +and the next one could be much worse. + +32:58.280 --> 33:00.080 +I don't even remember what the question was anymore, + +33:00.080 --> 33:04.200 +holy cow, Wolfgang, can I just say + +33:04.200 --> 33:09.040 +that you probably saved my life and the life of my family + +33:09.040 --> 33:11.360 +because you spoke out in 2020, + +33:11.360 --> 33:15.680 +you were the first guy I saw your work in 2009, + +33:15.680 --> 33:20.600 +is heroic, I also heard a presentation by Mark von Braunst, + +33:20.600 --> 33:22.560 +the guy from Belgium a few years later + +33:22.560 --> 33:24.760 +where he trashed you and said that, + +33:24.760 --> 33:28.120 +oh, he was a terrible guy for speaking out in 2009 + +33:28.120 --> 33:32.440 +and I just can't thank you enough + +33:32.440 --> 33:35.960 +for the rest of the earth for having done what you did + +33:35.960 --> 33:38.800 +and I hope I'm doing a little bit + +33:38.800 --> 33:41.680 +of justice to your work + +33:41.680 --> 33:44.160 +because I'm really only inspired by you + +33:44.160 --> 33:47.080 +and Mike Eden and a couple other heroes, seriously. + +33:47.080 --> 33:50.680 +I'm so much fascinated because you know the details + +33:50.680 --> 33:53.800 +and you know the many people who know many details + +33:53.800 --> 33:57.280 +and you have an overview of all those specialists + +33:57.280 --> 34:00.680 +you have met and you know how they think + +34:00.680 --> 34:02.280 +and it's great for me. + +34:02.280 --> 34:04.680 +I'm just a practitioner. + +34:04.680 --> 34:08.560 +I'm just someone having being responsible for human lives + +34:08.560 --> 34:13.400 +as a public health guy who wanted to do the best he can + +34:13.400 --> 34:15.720 +and I'm a critical man + +34:15.720 --> 34:20.720 +and this is the only, you know this, + +34:20.720 --> 34:26.120 +when we enter this region of molecules, + +34:26.120 --> 34:28.600 +when we start to explain what we experience + +34:28.600 --> 34:33.000 +and what life is concentrated on molecules, + +34:33.000 --> 34:36.480 +I get lost, I get really lost + +34:36.480 --> 34:39.800 +and I go back and I say, what can we observe? + +34:39.800 --> 34:40.920 +What's happening? + +34:40.920 --> 34:42.800 +How long, what is the virus? + +34:42.800 --> 34:45.680 +Did they exist 100 years ago already? + +34:45.680 --> 34:48.960 +What function does viruses have in life + +34:48.960 --> 34:51.840 +and life is a very, very perfect thing? + +34:51.840 --> 34:55.440 +I'm a fan of Maturama, you know him, I think. + +34:55.440 --> 34:59.680 +Yes, and so I know about this communication process + +34:59.680 --> 35:02.080 +is in life theoretically. + +35:02.080 --> 35:05.680 +I'm not interested in the details of molecules. + +35:05.680 --> 35:08.480 +I cannot manage, it's too much + +35:08.480 --> 35:12.840 +but I think there is, life is so much more + +35:12.840 --> 35:16.280 +I think there is, life is so much more clever + +35:16.280 --> 35:20.920 +than only human beings can be. + +35:20.920 --> 35:24.920 +So we, you said something very, very important for me, + +35:24.920 --> 35:26.960 +this was a gift already. + +35:26.960 --> 35:30.080 +You said the in irreducible complexity of life, + +35:30.080 --> 35:31.160 +this is what you said. + +35:32.160 --> 35:34.720 +And I think this is a great word. + +35:34.720 --> 35:39.720 +And if you think this irreducibility of complexity, + +35:40.720 --> 35:45.480 +we just have to step back and have to, + +35:45.480 --> 35:49.040 +why do we, what do we need for having a good life? + +35:50.240 --> 35:51.080 +What do we need? + +35:51.080 --> 35:53.920 +Do we need all those details? + +35:53.920 --> 35:55.680 +Can we have a manage? + +35:57.000 --> 35:59.360 +What is with artificial intelligence? + +36:00.760 --> 36:03.680 +It's not artificial, it's stunned by man, + +36:03.680 --> 36:04.960 +this is artificial. + +36:06.120 --> 36:09.000 +And this, those weak part of biology, + +36:09.000 --> 36:10.840 +like we are human beings, + +36:10.840 --> 36:14.560 +it's a very small part of biology, we live. + +36:14.560 --> 36:16.280 +When I look out of the window, there is, + +36:16.280 --> 36:18.240 +there is the sea, there is the trees, + +36:18.240 --> 36:22.760 +there is so many living varieties, + +36:22.760 --> 36:25.400 +I will never catch, I will never understand. + +36:26.520 --> 36:30.600 +And we just go to work, we just learn something, + +36:30.600 --> 36:34.320 +we use this something, we have our attention in, + +36:35.320 --> 36:40.320 +this makes me very, take back my mind, + +36:41.200 --> 36:44.520 +I don't know, you, how do you say it? + +36:44.520 --> 36:48.320 +I'm cautious that I don't know so much, + +36:49.240 --> 36:54.000 +but I know there is something very well functioning. + +36:54.000 --> 36:55.520 +And when we think we can make it better, + +36:55.520 --> 36:57.440 +we do many mistakes for sure. + +36:57.440 --> 36:59.880 +Oh yes, and I think that's a perfect segue + +36:59.880 --> 37:01.680 +into what I was gonna say is that, + +37:01.680 --> 37:05.280 +I've been trying to come up with a few messages + +37:05.280 --> 37:08.080 +that non-biologists can understand, + +37:08.080 --> 37:11.000 +and one of the ones that I think is resonating + +37:11.000 --> 37:15.120 +with a lot of people right now is intramuscular injection + +37:15.120 --> 37:17.440 +of any combination of substances, + +37:17.440 --> 37:21.040 +with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb. + +37:21.040 --> 37:23.360 +And the reason why I love that phrase so much + +37:23.360 --> 37:28.200 +is because it gets back to the idea of what they are implying + +37:28.200 --> 37:30.360 +when they say that they can give, you know, + +37:30.360 --> 37:34.080 +30 injections to my kid before age six months. + +37:34.080 --> 37:37.960 +And they are implying that this incredibly complex, + +37:37.960 --> 37:42.280 +irreducibly complex system, that is the immune system, + +37:42.280 --> 37:44.800 +has sufficiently understood that they can put + +37:44.800 --> 37:48.280 +a combination of things in the muscle of your child + +37:48.280 --> 37:49.800 +to augment that system. + +37:49.800 --> 37:54.120 +And that is the level of audacity there, + +37:54.120 --> 37:56.280 +and arrogance is really extraordinary, + +37:56.280 --> 37:58.280 +but that's really where we are right now. + +37:58.360 --> 38:00.360 +And then the worst part is, + +38:00.360 --> 38:03.160 +is that it's now not even a combination of substances, + +38:03.160 --> 38:05.640 +but it's an actual genetic signal. + +38:05.640 --> 38:10.640 +And in a toxic envelope that we have even had the audacity + +38:10.920 --> 38:13.200 +to say is relatively equivalent + +38:13.200 --> 38:16.160 +to the previous combinations of terrible substances + +38:16.160 --> 38:17.600 +that we've been injecting, + +38:17.600 --> 38:20.120 +when in reality it's nowhere near equivalent. + +38:20.120 --> 38:25.120 +And in fact, it probably makes these previous concoctions + +38:25.600 --> 38:27.440 +look relatively benign, + +38:27.440 --> 38:29.960 +because they are just, you know, some heavy metals + +38:29.960 --> 38:32.080 +or some toxins that your body has challenged + +38:32.080 --> 38:34.560 +and your immune system is confused by. + +38:34.560 --> 38:39.560 +But this, where you start to make your biology behave + +38:40.560 --> 38:44.640 +differently and really potentially confuse your immune system, + +38:44.640 --> 38:47.440 +that I don't think the immune system is ever confused + +38:47.440 --> 38:49.480 +by an intramuscular injection of aluminum + +38:49.480 --> 38:51.760 +plus some proteins that all that crap + +38:51.760 --> 38:53.320 +is not supposed to be here. + +38:53.320 --> 38:57.360 +But once you've transfected random cells in your body + +38:57.360 --> 38:59.520 +to express a protein, + +38:59.520 --> 39:02.360 +it becomes a very much more, in my humble opinion, + +39:02.360 --> 39:05.400 +diabolical signal that is much more challenging + +39:05.400 --> 39:08.960 +for the immune system to sort out without making a mistake. + +39:08.960 --> 39:10.520 +And this is... + +39:10.520 --> 39:13.400 +I was so much interested when I was working + +39:13.400 --> 39:18.400 +with a group of biologists or human genetic geneticists + +39:18.840 --> 39:20.760 +genetic geneticists, + +39:20.760 --> 39:25.680 +and they were advising people with inborn defects, + +39:25.680 --> 39:27.160 +genetic defects. + +39:27.160 --> 39:30.360 +So they are the children that cannot produce certain proteins + +39:30.360 --> 39:31.840 +they need for their life, + +39:31.840 --> 39:35.360 +and they tried to genetically modify those children + +39:35.360 --> 39:38.920 +so that they can build the protein they needed. + +39:38.920 --> 39:42.000 +And they found out that after two years + +39:42.000 --> 39:44.840 +or after some time, they... + +39:44.840 --> 39:48.280 +Before they started producing the protein, they needed. + +39:48.280 --> 39:50.560 +It was okay, but after some time, + +39:50.560 --> 39:53.000 +after some months or some years, + +39:53.000 --> 39:55.640 +this process was stopped again. + +39:55.640 --> 39:57.360 +It just didn't work anymore. + +39:57.360 --> 40:00.400 +So there must be something within the human being + +40:00.400 --> 40:03.300 +they tried to treat, which repaired. + +40:04.240 --> 40:06.360 +There must be some plan of this human being + +40:06.360 --> 40:09.080 +how it was born. + +40:09.080 --> 40:10.960 +It said, no, this doesn't fit to me. + +40:10.960 --> 40:14.960 +This is a strange thing, and erase it again. + +40:14.960 --> 40:19.560 +So my hope is, when they do this genetic operation now + +40:19.560 --> 40:21.920 +with billions of people, + +40:21.920 --> 40:24.400 +that after two or three years, + +40:24.400 --> 40:26.920 +the bodies will have, if they survive it, + +40:28.000 --> 40:31.200 +the bodies may repair it in many, many cases. + +40:31.200 --> 40:34.160 +I don't know it, but I think this is a chance. + +40:34.160 --> 40:35.000 +We can... + +40:35.000 --> 40:36.640 +This is some hope also. + +40:37.560 --> 40:39.320 +We can wait for it. + +40:39.320 --> 40:43.920 +Yeah, I am cautiously optimistic myself. + +40:43.920 --> 40:46.520 +I'm also cautiously optimistic that the people + +40:46.520 --> 40:49.320 +that did this who were aware, + +40:50.480 --> 40:54.000 +at least vaguely aware of the potential advantage + +40:54.000 --> 40:56.800 +they could gain if they put some placebo doses out there, + +40:56.800 --> 41:01.600 +so that the populace would be fooled into believing + +41:01.600 --> 41:04.360 +that the safety was higher than it was. + +41:04.360 --> 41:07.680 +And so I think there are a number of possible ways + +41:07.680 --> 41:10.120 +that this technology, + +41:10.120 --> 41:11.840 +and I do think that's one of the things + +41:11.840 --> 41:15.600 +we have to acknowledge is that there was a concerted effort + +41:15.600 --> 41:20.040 +to bamboozle much of the free world + +41:20.040 --> 41:22.560 +into believing that transfection has been proven + +41:22.560 --> 41:25.400 +to be useful, and that now we just have to figure out + +41:25.400 --> 41:28.080 +what protein and how exactly to do it. + +41:28.080 --> 41:30.040 +Maybe we need a better lip and nanoparticle, + +41:30.040 --> 41:32.600 +or maybe we need to inhale some of these things, + +41:32.600 --> 41:37.560 +but the basic methodology is on TV already checked out + +41:37.560 --> 41:38.960 +and is already a miracle. + +41:38.960 --> 41:43.240 +And this, I think, is so much of the goal here, + +41:43.240 --> 41:45.520 +is to get people to accept this. + +41:45.520 --> 41:49.680 +And then maybe the old adage + +41:49.680 --> 41:52.000 +that all of these people have been saying for 20 years + +41:52.000 --> 41:54.240 +that mice lie and monkeys deceive, + +41:54.240 --> 41:57.000 +and the only thing that tells you the truth are humans, + +41:57.000 --> 42:01.960 +maybe this is part of a move toward getting people to accept + +42:01.960 --> 42:04.600 +that the only way we're gonna make personalized medicine + +42:04.600 --> 42:06.680 +is to use you as a guinea pig. + +42:07.600 --> 42:11.880 +And so there's so many frightening aspects of this + +42:11.880 --> 42:15.080 +that, again, assume that we've conquered + +42:15.080 --> 42:18.160 +the irreducible complexity of biology, + +42:18.160 --> 42:19.440 +that we've figured it all out, + +42:19.440 --> 42:23.120 +that we're just a few years away from having the data set + +42:23.120 --> 42:27.320 +to put into the AI, and then the AI will spit out the answer. + +42:27.320 --> 42:29.280 +And this is all an illusion. + +42:29.280 --> 42:32.520 +It's all an illusion that they've told rich people + +42:32.520 --> 42:36.840 +and they've told bureaucrats that the cheaper + +42:36.840 --> 42:39.840 +that we can make DNA and the cheaper it is to sequence it + +42:39.840 --> 42:43.080 +is just the same as the easier it's gonna be + +42:43.080 --> 42:44.520 +that we're gonna understand it. + +42:44.520 --> 42:48.320 +And that's just not, they're not equivalent things. + +42:48.320 --> 42:50.480 +That we can make DNA cheaper. + +42:50.480 --> 42:52.400 +It doesn't mean we understand what we're making + +42:52.400 --> 42:56.040 +or how it contributes to the pattern integrity of life. + +42:56.040 --> 42:58.600 +And so that still is this thing + +42:58.600 --> 43:01.600 +that we're telling our college kids + +43:01.600 --> 43:03.560 +and we're telling our high school kids + +43:03.560 --> 43:06.000 +that we have this mastery that we don't have + +43:06.000 --> 43:08.400 +and that we have this understanding that we don't have + +43:08.400 --> 43:13.400 +and we're robbing them of this reverence for life. + +43:14.720 --> 43:18.040 +We're robbing them of this reverence for the living world + +43:18.040 --> 43:21.200 +and instead replacing it with this arrogance + +43:21.200 --> 43:24.360 +and with this, it's terrible. + +43:24.360 --> 43:27.160 +I really see it as a fundamental attack + +43:27.160 --> 43:28.580 +on who we are as humanity. + +43:29.460 --> 43:31.540 +I think there may be, there are those people + +43:31.540 --> 43:34.020 +who finance all this and you say, + +43:34.020 --> 43:36.020 +yes, I need what you do. + +43:36.020 --> 43:41.020 +I take it and I use it in seven billion people. + +43:42.300 --> 43:44.020 +Those people, why do they do that? + +43:45.300 --> 43:48.540 +They are part of biology too. + +43:48.540 --> 43:50.220 +Yeah, it's hard to say. + +43:50.220 --> 43:52.340 +I mean, I think number one, we have to admit + +43:52.340 --> 43:55.260 +that there gotta be a number of unwitting participants + +43:55.260 --> 43:58.260 +because I was an unwitting participant in 2020. + +43:58.260 --> 44:01.420 +I still, when you and Mike Eden were saying + +44:01.420 --> 44:03.860 +that, you know, whatever these are, + +44:03.860 --> 44:06.020 +the variants are probably baloney + +44:06.020 --> 44:08.500 +and there were lots of signals like this + +44:08.500 --> 44:10.900 +when we were working before. + +44:10.900 --> 44:14.540 +I still was fighting for this idea that no, + +44:14.540 --> 44:17.540 +but a laboratory virus could have heretofore unseen possibilities + +44:24.340 --> 44:27.740 +and laboratory virus could be much more infectious + +44:27.740 --> 44:30.100 +because it's got a fear and cleavage site. + +44:30.100 --> 44:32.260 +And so I was totally fooled. + +44:32.260 --> 44:34.980 +I totally bought in to the idea + +44:34.980 --> 44:36.420 +that they were covering something up + +44:36.420 --> 44:39.460 +and that because it was a laboratory virus + +44:39.460 --> 44:42.540 +that it could potentially have biology that wasn't natural + +44:42.540 --> 44:46.980 +and that idea sucked me in and sucked a lot of people in. + +44:46.980 --> 44:48.500 +I think that was intentional + +44:48.500 --> 44:51.660 +because that scared people into taking something + +44:51.660 --> 44:53.780 +that they otherwise would have never taken. + +44:53.780 --> 44:56.260 +And here we are three years later + +44:56.340 --> 44:58.300 +and I'm really late to the party. + +44:58.300 --> 45:01.260 +Like you and Mike had seen through it already in 2020. + +45:01.260 --> 45:04.420 +And I, it's not so difficult to see it. + +45:04.420 --> 45:08.100 +When you have a, I was very impressed by a map + +45:08.100 --> 45:11.460 +where I could see it 24 hours short + +45:11.460 --> 45:14.380 +where all the airplanes were yellow points + +45:14.380 --> 45:18.900 +driving around the world with 10 million passengers a day. + +45:18.900 --> 45:20.100 +Yes. + +45:20.100 --> 45:22.980 +With all their viruses on their body, in their body, + +45:22.980 --> 45:25.740 +everywhere traveling around 10 billion a day. + +45:25.740 --> 45:26.940 +Yes. + +45:26.940 --> 45:30.020 +And spreading everything of every variation of life, + +45:30.020 --> 45:33.700 +spreading that can live with human beings, spreading each day. + +45:34.740 --> 45:36.380 +And I was, I was thinking of that. + +45:36.380 --> 45:39.460 +And then I was thinking, Wuhan, + +45:39.460 --> 45:41.100 +there was such a high, + +45:41.100 --> 45:46.100 +a legal thing there in Guangdong, in Guangdong in the SARS-1. + +45:47.180 --> 45:49.460 +I was thinking, where has it disappeared? + +45:49.460 --> 45:51.980 +Why does it disappear so quickly? + +45:51.980 --> 45:55.140 +And with all those passengers traveling around the world + +45:55.140 --> 45:56.940 +and the virus is so contagious + +45:56.940 --> 45:58.860 +and how can this be? + +45:58.860 --> 46:00.740 +And we forgot SARS. + +46:00.740 --> 46:05.100 +SARS didn't exist between 2005 and 2020. + +46:06.700 --> 46:07.980 +It wasn't that wide. + +46:07.980 --> 46:09.260 +This cannot be. + +46:10.300 --> 46:12.700 +So it's such easy thoughts, you know? + +46:12.700 --> 46:14.020 +It's so easy. + +46:14.980 --> 46:17.460 +You don't have to know about molecular things. + +46:17.460 --> 46:20.100 +You just have to, you just have to think, + +46:20.100 --> 46:22.660 +well, if there are viruses and they go around the world, + +46:22.660 --> 46:24.500 +they change every year a little bit. + +46:24.500 --> 46:26.540 +We have the flu on Australia. + +46:26.540 --> 46:29.580 +When I was with a swine flu, + +46:29.580 --> 46:32.780 +my first call was to Australia, to a colleague in Australia. + +46:32.780 --> 46:35.500 +How is it whether you do you have more cases than usual? + +46:35.500 --> 46:36.540 +You should know. + +46:36.540 --> 46:38.380 +So I knew what was going on. + +46:38.380 --> 46:40.780 +It is, it's really easy + +46:40.780 --> 46:42.940 +because when you know how those, + +46:42.940 --> 46:45.180 +how those entities, those biological entities, + +46:45.180 --> 46:47.060 +where they live, how they live normally, + +46:47.060 --> 46:50.620 +you have recognized them and you can observe them. + +46:50.620 --> 46:53.340 +And then you see the effects and you can, + +46:53.740 --> 46:58.020 +you don't need molecules to understand. + +46:58.020 --> 47:02.580 +And when you're from your experience as a doctor, + +47:02.580 --> 47:06.340 +how often in his, when you were practicing, + +47:06.340 --> 47:10.860 +how often did you actually make a molecular + +47:10.860 --> 47:15.340 +or some kind of confirmation with a diagnostic + +47:15.340 --> 47:17.020 +that you had a particular virus? + +47:17.020 --> 47:19.380 +Or were you always just treating? + +47:19.380 --> 47:20.700 +No, there was only flu. + +47:20.700 --> 47:22.100 +Yeah, okay. + +47:22.180 --> 47:25.660 +But there was one, I started doing some nonsense + +47:25.660 --> 47:28.420 +when I started making the H-test, HIV test. + +47:29.980 --> 47:31.780 +Because we were frightened. + +47:31.780 --> 47:32.940 +I was also frightened. + +47:32.940 --> 47:35.540 +I thought there was something very serious to move on. + +47:35.540 --> 47:39.100 +And they gave me the HIV test in my ward + +47:39.100 --> 47:41.300 +and they said, you can use it. + +47:41.300 --> 47:43.980 +And I used it and I found some positive cases. + +47:45.300 --> 47:46.580 +But they were all healthy. + +47:48.420 --> 47:51.300 +And I never saw someone with an immune deficiency before + +47:51.340 --> 47:56.340 +in my region, my whole region where I used to practice. + +47:57.340 --> 47:58.180 +Never. + +47:58.180 --> 47:59.620 +No, I never got it. + +47:59.620 --> 48:01.420 +No, I didn't. + +48:01.420 --> 48:04.180 +And suddenly there should be something very new. + +48:04.180 --> 48:08.980 +So, but I was trapped then with this big propaganda HIV. + +48:08.980 --> 48:10.900 +And I'm very sorry. + +48:10.900 --> 48:14.060 +I did many wrong things because of that. + +48:14.060 --> 48:18.260 +And I understood, many years later, + +48:18.260 --> 48:20.540 +many years later I understood + +48:20.580 --> 48:22.380 +that they made this test + +48:22.380 --> 48:26.340 +and they produced those cases as they always do cases. + +48:26.340 --> 48:27.420 +Isn't it fascinating? + +48:27.420 --> 48:29.460 +Isn't that test an antibody test? + +48:29.460 --> 48:32.100 +So actually for AIDS, it's an antibody test, + +48:32.100 --> 48:34.740 +which is extraordinary because now they sold us antibodies + +48:34.740 --> 48:35.740 +as immunity. + +48:37.980 --> 48:39.420 +It's extraordinary. + +48:40.860 --> 48:42.180 +Yes. + +48:42.180 --> 48:45.260 +And it's very, you know what we have to do? + +48:45.260 --> 48:47.940 +We have to change the education of doctors. + +48:48.780 --> 48:50.260 +Yeah. + +48:50.260 --> 48:52.380 +I mean, we do. + +48:52.380 --> 48:53.900 +We need to teach them immunology. + +48:53.900 --> 48:56.940 +We need to teach them how the immune system works + +48:56.940 --> 48:58.940 +so that they come to this conclusion on their own. + +48:58.940 --> 49:04.100 +If you, if you really, I mean, I have given a number + +49:04.100 --> 49:09.100 +of what I consider to be very broad stroke immune lectures + +49:10.460 --> 49:12.700 +that people have said that this is just the best lecture + +49:12.700 --> 49:15.020 +I've ever heard because I've explained the immune system + +49:15.100 --> 49:20.100 +in a way that that that that explains its organization. + +49:20.580 --> 49:25.420 +And I think the one of the things that I stress a lot + +49:25.420 --> 49:27.300 +is that the immune system is organized + +49:27.300 --> 49:31.620 +from the inside out and it's designed to to maintain a barrier + +49:31.620 --> 49:35.460 +between the inside of your body and the outside world. + +49:35.460 --> 49:39.940 +And so the immune system is used to meeting challenges + +49:39.940 --> 49:41.260 +on that barrier. + +49:41.260 --> 49:46.260 +And so in history, if any of these previous immunizations + +49:46.420 --> 49:49.660 +have worked, they have worked because they've immunized + +49:49.660 --> 49:53.060 +at a barrier, oral vaccines are at a barrier, you know, + +49:53.060 --> 49:56.140 +variation with smallpox was at a barrier. + +49:56.140 --> 49:59.060 +So you were interacting with the immune system + +49:59.060 --> 50:01.500 +and from the direction in which it expects + +50:01.500 --> 50:05.580 +to be interacted with and with an intramuscular injection, + +50:05.580 --> 50:08.420 +you are taking a signal and putting it + +50:08.420 --> 50:11.140 +where the immune system least likely to find it. + +50:11.140 --> 50:14.220 +And so it's extraordinary how absurd it is + +50:14.220 --> 50:19.060 +that we've moved through this immunization of evolution + +50:19.060 --> 50:21.100 +and gotten worse and worse. + +50:21.100 --> 50:23.500 +This is what I said in this too. + +50:23.500 --> 50:27.580 +But you know this, when it started with the swine flu also, + +50:27.580 --> 50:31.020 +they started thinking of giving the flu shot, + +50:31.020 --> 50:33.500 +not a flow shot, but giving the spray. + +50:33.500 --> 50:34.340 +Oh yeah. + +50:35.340 --> 50:39.300 +Because they were recognizing that this could be a way + +50:39.300 --> 50:42.180 +they could sell the same nonsense before. + +50:42.180 --> 50:47.180 +But what they didn't deal with is there's so much competition + +50:48.020 --> 50:52.820 +between those informations we get. + +50:52.820 --> 50:57.820 +Our immune system has to find out what is important, + +50:58.300 --> 50:59.540 +what is not important. + +51:00.420 --> 51:01.620 +So there has to be, + +51:01.620 --> 51:05.220 +because there's a limited capacity of immune reaction. + +51:06.220 --> 51:09.620 +And so you have to see our immune system has to select. + +51:09.620 --> 51:13.980 +There's a really interesting phenomenon that occurred. + +51:13.980 --> 51:15.980 +I think you'd find really fascinating as well, + +51:15.980 --> 51:19.260 +that in the early 2000s or late 90s, + +51:19.260 --> 51:24.420 +there were two basic schools of thought of immunology + +51:24.420 --> 51:26.420 +that were funded by the NIH in America. + +51:26.420 --> 51:31.620 +The one was pathogen-associated molecular patterns. + +51:31.700 --> 51:35.860 +And the other one was damage-associated molecular patterns. + +51:35.860 --> 51:38.700 +And now the difference between these two big theories + +51:38.700 --> 51:39.540 +is really cool. + +51:39.540 --> 51:42.460 +One, the pathogen-associated molecular patterns + +51:42.460 --> 51:45.460 +is a theory where the immune system tries to make + +51:45.460 --> 51:47.900 +a unique set of memories for every pathogen + +51:47.900 --> 51:49.580 +that it comes in contact with. + +51:49.580 --> 51:52.540 +The other one, damage-associated molecular patterns, + +51:52.540 --> 51:55.540 +was the idea that the immune system tries to generalize + +51:55.540 --> 52:00.060 +across challenges to find the molecular motifs + +52:00.060 --> 52:01.300 +that are most dangerous. + +52:01.300 --> 52:04.380 +Usually hydrophobic ones are charged motifs. + +52:04.380 --> 52:09.380 +And so this theory then suggested that in one case, + +52:09.460 --> 52:12.100 +the immune system is just making a profile + +52:12.100 --> 52:13.860 +of the new things that it finds. + +52:13.860 --> 52:14.980 +And in the other case, + +52:14.980 --> 52:18.460 +it's trying to generalize across molecular signals, + +52:18.460 --> 52:22.300 +and then essentially building a minimum amount of memory. + +52:22.300 --> 52:25.700 +And I think there's so much of our understanding + +52:25.700 --> 52:27.540 +of the immune system that really suggests + +52:27.540 --> 52:31.380 +that minimizing the reaction to anything is ideal. + +52:31.380 --> 52:35.620 +And overreaction is the heart of everything going wrong. + +52:35.620 --> 52:38.100 +And so interestingly enough, + +52:38.100 --> 52:40.180 +we were talking about this an hour ago, + +52:40.180 --> 52:43.700 +the funding for damage-associated molecular pattern + +52:43.700 --> 52:45.380 +investigation is gone. + +52:45.380 --> 52:47.380 +It disappeared in 2005. + +52:47.380 --> 52:50.380 +There is no funding of that idea anymore. + +52:50.380 --> 52:53.540 +It is exclusively pathogen-associated molecular patterns + +52:53.540 --> 52:56.220 +or specific memory, which of course means + +52:56.220 --> 52:59.780 +that you need specific vaccines for every specific challenge. + +52:59.780 --> 53:02.140 +And that's the extraordinary moment. + +53:02.140 --> 53:04.340 +You can have a patent on viruses. + +53:04.340 --> 53:08.940 +You can have a patent on the choice of your immune system. + +53:11.020 --> 53:11.860 +Yeah. + +53:12.700 --> 53:13.820 +It's extraordinary, man, + +53:13.820 --> 53:17.820 +because I think this has exposed a very big scam + +53:17.820 --> 53:21.140 +that we've all been under the enchantment of + +53:21.140 --> 53:22.260 +for a very long time. + +53:22.260 --> 53:24.780 +And so we can all just be very humble + +53:24.780 --> 53:26.460 +and say we didn't get it for a long time + +53:26.460 --> 53:28.500 +and just pull ourselves out. + +53:28.500 --> 53:31.860 +Our discussion that reminds me of something + +53:31.860 --> 53:34.740 +when we were discussing about the transportation law + +53:34.740 --> 53:38.340 +in Germany, there were always those people who said, + +53:38.340 --> 53:40.580 +the brain, this is our identity. + +53:41.500 --> 53:43.340 +This is what we are, the brain. + +53:44.500 --> 53:46.260 +They said, if the brain is dead, + +53:46.260 --> 53:49.820 +you can take everything because then the guy is dead. + +53:49.820 --> 53:52.300 +And I always think, no, there's something more complicated, + +53:52.300 --> 53:54.540 +more identity, much more identity. + +53:54.540 --> 53:59.300 +What I am is much more my immune system than my brain. + +54:02.100 --> 54:07.100 +So this discussion, it has so many consequences. + +54:08.220 --> 54:10.380 +Consequences in regulation, in human, + +54:10.380 --> 54:15.380 +in what we think, what is the dignity of man. + +54:17.900 --> 54:21.420 +So all this values our society is based on, + +54:21.420 --> 54:22.980 +is based on pictures. + +54:25.340 --> 54:29.860 +And this picture with the brain, in our thoughts, + +54:29.860 --> 54:34.380 +is the thing which makes us the most. + +54:34.380 --> 54:36.420 +And there is this other thing, + +54:36.420 --> 54:37.940 +which makes us much more humble + +54:37.940 --> 54:39.660 +because the immune system is something + +54:39.660 --> 54:41.180 +you find everywhere in nature. + +54:44.180 --> 54:49.180 +So it's a very good lesson we can learn now. + +54:50.180 --> 54:54.180 +How our values are shaped and how they shape our culture + +54:54.180 --> 54:56.180 +and our thinking, our living together, + +54:56.180 --> 54:59.180 +and our respecting and respecting nature, + +54:59.180 --> 55:00.180 +which is around us. + +55:00.180 --> 55:04.180 +So I think there is, it's a big chance now + +55:04.180 --> 55:06.180 +for developing new ideas. + +55:06.180 --> 55:08.180 +I totally agree. + +55:08.180 --> 55:11.180 +If the immune system functions well, + +55:11.180 --> 55:14.180 +maybe the brain is also part of an immune system + +55:14.180 --> 55:18.180 +like that enables you to understand + +55:18.180 --> 55:21.180 +infiltration via deception. + +55:21.180 --> 55:23.180 +Because if your thoughts function, + +55:23.180 --> 55:25.180 +then you understand, + +55:25.180 --> 55:27.180 +well, this is not really what I should believe. + +55:27.180 --> 55:30.180 +This is bad for me, for my whole body. + +55:30.180 --> 55:31.180 +I mean, what we just, + +55:31.180 --> 55:34.180 +but people came to see during the crisis. + +55:34.180 --> 55:36.180 +I have one question. + +55:36.180 --> 55:40.180 +Irreusable complexity of life is reduced + +55:40.180 --> 55:43.180 +by the very low possibilities + +55:43.180 --> 55:46.180 +that human brain has to understand all this. + +55:47.180 --> 55:48.180 +Yeah. + +55:48.180 --> 55:49.180 +Yeah. + +55:49.180 --> 55:50.180 +That's a really great question. + +55:50.180 --> 55:52.180 +It's a really great way to put it. + +55:52.180 --> 55:53.180 +Can I ask you, like, I mean, + +55:53.180 --> 55:57.180 +I don't know if you're aware of the work of Dr. Sabina Steber. + +55:57.180 --> 55:59.180 +She's been in the committee several times + +55:59.180 --> 56:02.180 +and she's been investigating like everything + +56:02.180 --> 56:05.180 +that's basically also put into the vaccines + +56:05.180 --> 56:07.180 +and what they know, + +56:07.180 --> 56:11.180 +what they knew about like the toxic results + +56:11.180 --> 56:14.180 +or like the toxic effects that it might have, you know? + +56:14.180 --> 56:16.180 +And like, for instance, in Germany, + +56:16.180 --> 56:18.180 +we found out that our, + +56:18.180 --> 56:23.180 +basically the authority that oversees the, you know, + +56:23.180 --> 56:27.180 +the market release and so on of the vaccines, + +56:27.180 --> 56:30.180 +the head of that authority, you know, + +56:30.180 --> 56:34.180 +has actually published on a variety of issues + +56:34.180 --> 56:38.180 +that we now find to be really damaging for people, you know, + +56:38.180 --> 56:40.180 +from what we can see. + +56:40.180 --> 56:43.180 +And so she has, she has said, you know, + +56:43.180 --> 56:48.180 +it's kind of interesting because there's so many aspects put into these vaccines, + +56:48.180 --> 56:50.180 +like from, or like the so-called vaccines, + +56:50.180 --> 56:54.180 +like from all kinds of angles, like the nano lab lipids and, you know, + +56:54.180 --> 56:59.180 +whatever these, these DNA aspects and so on, you know? + +56:59.180 --> 57:00.180 +It's amazing. + +57:00.180 --> 57:02.180 +And it seems that it's only, I mean, + +57:02.180 --> 57:08.180 +you really have to put together such a cocktail of toxic aspects, you know, + +57:08.180 --> 57:09.180 +that it's amazing. + +57:09.180 --> 57:10.180 +This cannot be coincidence. + +57:10.180 --> 57:14.180 +And this must have been worked on by, you know, + +57:14.180 --> 57:17.180 +maybe just a few people, very specialized people, + +57:17.180 --> 57:21.180 +who could oversee what was, what's going to come from that. + +57:21.180 --> 57:23.180 +Maybe they do not have the full picture. + +57:23.180 --> 57:28.180 +But I mean, they could see from a variety of studies that are already out there, + +57:28.180 --> 57:33.180 +that there's, it's like a cocktail of horror, basically. + +57:33.180 --> 57:36.180 +I mean, would you, would you share that opinion? + +57:36.180 --> 57:42.180 +I would, I would share a little bit of expanded opinion in the sense that + +57:42.180 --> 57:47.180 +I think that this, this operation was so diabolical, + +57:47.180 --> 57:53.180 +that they have, they have planned already from the very beginning + +57:53.180 --> 57:59.180 +to tell us a biological narrative about a gain-of-function virus + +57:59.180 --> 58:03.180 +that actually includes specifically a gain-of-function protein + +58:03.180 --> 58:07.180 +with lots of little intricate things that have been inserted in it by really + +58:07.180 --> 58:10.180 +master chefs of, of virology. + +58:10.180 --> 58:15.180 +And that protein is what we serendipitously decided to + +58:15.180 --> 58:17.180 +transfect into everyone's body. + +58:17.180 --> 58:21.180 +And so this story was not just by accident. + +58:21.180 --> 58:27.180 +This story allows the confounding of the biological effects of the spike protein + +58:27.180 --> 58:30.180 +with the biological effects of transfection. + +58:30.180 --> 58:34.180 +And I think more than anything, we need to understand that biologically, + +58:34.180 --> 58:39.180 +this is a disingenuous connection that was put there on purpose, + +58:39.180 --> 58:44.180 +so that they would have a whole series of, of things that we could argue about, + +58:44.180 --> 58:48.180 +a very limited but lively spectrum of debate where, + +58:48.180 --> 58:50.180 +I'm sure it's the lipid nanoparticles. + +58:50.180 --> 58:52.180 +And if we just fix those, it would be better. + +58:52.180 --> 58:56.180 +I'm sure it's the spike protein, the spike protein was gain-of-function. + +58:56.180 --> 58:58.180 +And so the spike protein is causing all of this. + +58:58.180 --> 59:00.180 +And that, that was intentional. + +59:00.180 --> 59:02.180 +That confounding was intentional. + +59:02.180 --> 59:09.180 +And so this now discussion of were there, were there, uh, graphene particles, + +59:09.180 --> 59:14.180 +or is the lipid nanoparticle the problem, or is the DNA contamination the problem? + +59:14.180 --> 59:18.180 +I assure you that if the lipid nanoparticles were perfect + +59:18.180 --> 59:24.180 +and the spike protein was perfect and everything was made to the finest of standards, + +59:24.180 --> 59:28.180 +transfection would still be wholly inappropriate for healthy humans. + +59:28.180 --> 59:29.180 +That's where we are. + +59:29.180 --> 59:33.180 +And so we're being, they're shuffling all these things on the table + +59:33.180 --> 59:38.180 +to try and make us choose which was the, what's responsible when in reality, + +59:38.180 --> 59:42.180 +as you said, they've known from the very beginning that they couldn't get the results + +59:42.180 --> 59:44.180 +that they said they were going to get. + +59:44.180 --> 59:50.180 +Peter Cullis, the man who invented and, and whose research has developed + +59:50.180 --> 59:55.180 +these lipid nanoparticles was accepting award, an award all across Canada + +59:55.180 --> 59:57.180 +called the Gardineer Award. + +59:57.180 --> 59:59.180 +It's like a pre-noble prize award. + +59:59.180 --> 01:00:03.180 +And he was touring Canada, giving lectures about the lipid nanoparticles + +01:00:03.180 --> 01:00:06.180 +and about how exciting it was that there was soon going to be a Nobel Prize + +01:00:06.180 --> 01:00:08.180 +and maybe they would get it. + +01:00:08.180 --> 01:00:13.180 +And he admitted that he killed the career of five postdocs + +01:00:13.180 --> 01:00:18.180 +that he tried to get them to figure out how to target the lipid nanoparticles + +01:00:18.180 --> 01:00:20.180 +to a particular place in the body. + +01:00:20.180 --> 01:00:23.180 +And five postdocs never figured it out. + +01:00:23.180 --> 01:00:28.180 +And the fifth one insisted that she do something else otherwise she was going to quit. + +01:00:28.180 --> 01:00:32.180 +And he made a joke about that on stage in 2022, + +01:00:32.180 --> 01:00:36.180 +knowing that a billion people had been injected with a lipid nanoparticle + +01:00:36.180 --> 01:00:41.180 +that they were told would stay in the muscle and go disappear in a few weeks. + +01:00:41.180 --> 01:00:47.180 +That's extraordinary because they burnt, they burnt Byron Bridal's career + +01:00:47.180 --> 01:00:52.180 +and he revealed that information from a FOIA request from Japan. + +01:00:52.180 --> 01:00:55.180 +They burnt his career only a year and a half later + +01:00:55.180 --> 01:01:00.180 +to have the inventor of the frickin' technology go onstage and say it all out. + +01:01:00.180 --> 01:01:02.180 +And they didn't burn his career. + +01:01:02.180 --> 01:01:05.180 +They didn't throw him out of the university for admitting it. + +01:01:05.180 --> 01:01:07.180 +But he admitted it on stage. + +01:01:07.180 --> 01:01:10.180 +That's where we are. + +01:01:10.180 --> 01:01:13.180 +It's extraordinary. It is really extraordinary. + +01:01:13.180 --> 01:01:17.180 +It's all there for the learning and the knowing. + +01:01:17.180 --> 01:01:21.180 +And it's now just a question of getting people to raise their chin off of their desk + +01:01:21.180 --> 01:01:28.180 +and put their phone down and understand that we have really been deceived in a major way. + +01:01:28.180 --> 01:01:33.180 +And I really think it's important to understand that their goal is for us to teach this to our children. + +01:01:33.180 --> 01:01:35.180 +They don't care about us. + +01:01:35.180 --> 01:01:38.180 +We have to understand that this goes already for 50 years. + +01:01:38.180 --> 01:01:40.180 +Yes, absolutely it does. + +01:01:41.180 --> 01:01:44.180 +And only we can save our children because if we don't, + +01:01:44.180 --> 01:01:49.180 +our children will grow up having experienced this experience to this pandemic + +01:01:49.180 --> 01:01:51.180 +and they're done forever. + +01:01:51.180 --> 01:01:53.180 +It's really a disaster. + +01:01:53.180 --> 01:01:56.180 +They call the whole thing pandemic preparedness. + +01:01:56.180 --> 01:02:00.180 +And they prepared what they call a pandemic. + +01:02:00.180 --> 01:02:07.180 +So it's sadistic. + +01:02:08.180 --> 01:02:15.180 +The double meaning of pandemic preparedness is very interesting. + +01:02:15.180 --> 01:02:16.180 +Yeah. + +01:02:16.180 --> 01:02:20.180 +Can I ask you like in the beginning you said that you'd been after you spoke out + +01:02:20.180 --> 01:02:24.180 +and then had these problems with the university and so on. + +01:02:24.180 --> 01:02:29.180 +You said you were visited by people who you consider now to be like medallists. + +01:02:29.180 --> 01:02:31.180 +I mean, what kind of experience did you make? + +01:02:31.180 --> 01:02:36.180 +They tried to convince you to maybe give up your train of thought. + +01:02:37.180 --> 01:02:38.180 +Yes. + +01:02:38.180 --> 01:02:39.180 +Exactly. + +01:02:39.180 --> 01:02:44.180 +So it mainly happened in 2021. + +01:02:44.180 --> 01:02:49.180 +So I was a member of this loose organization called Drastic, + +01:02:49.180 --> 01:02:54.180 +which was given credit for like solving the lab leak puzzle on Twitter in 2020. + +01:02:54.180 --> 01:03:00.180 +And that group of people is still largely an anonymous group of medlers who refused, + +01:03:00.180 --> 01:03:02.180 +literally refused. + +01:03:02.180 --> 01:03:05.180 +So I'm a member from the very beginning. + +01:03:05.180 --> 01:03:11.180 +I was the guy who I actually put my name and reviewed several of these papers, + +01:03:11.180 --> 01:03:15.180 +which got published about the fear and cleavage site and thought I was doing a heroic act + +01:03:15.180 --> 01:03:21.180 +by reviewing these papers and getting the lab leak hypothesis out there into public. + +01:03:21.180 --> 01:03:26.180 +And so I was a bit taken hookline and sinker by these people. + +01:03:26.180 --> 01:03:35.180 +But Drastic at some point refused, absolutely refused to discuss the idea that this + +01:03:35.180 --> 01:03:38.180 +transfection to a spike protein could be a disaster. + +01:03:38.180 --> 01:03:43.180 +That could be actually the real reason why this whole mythology was spun up to begin + +01:03:43.180 --> 01:03:44.180 +with. + +01:03:44.180 --> 01:03:48.180 +When I started saying that, Drastic split into two groups and both of those groups threw + +01:03:48.180 --> 01:03:49.180 +me out. + +01:03:49.180 --> 01:03:54.180 +And so after that happened, interestingly enough, and this is where it gets really + +01:03:54.180 --> 01:03:55.180 +sketchy. + +01:03:55.180 --> 01:03:59.180 +And I hope you'll know a little bit of these details so that you'll see why it's so important. + +01:03:59.180 --> 01:04:09.180 +About two or three months later was when the first hints of the diffuse proposal leak started + +01:04:09.180 --> 01:04:10.180 +to appear. + +01:04:10.180 --> 01:04:15.180 +And at some moment, a member of Drastic was given a copy of the diffuse proposal. + +01:04:15.180 --> 01:04:22.180 +Now the diffuse proposal is supposedly a grant proposal that was written in 2017 and submitted + +01:04:22.180 --> 01:04:29.780 +by EcoHealth Alliance, the notorious gain of function funders in the United States. + +01:04:29.780 --> 01:04:34.780 +They submitted this grant to DARPA in 2019 apparently. + +01:04:34.780 --> 01:04:41.060 +And in this grant, curiously enough, is described an experiment that in the cartoon would be + +01:04:41.060 --> 01:04:47.460 +exactly how this pandemic would have started complete with bad coronaviruses that were + +01:04:47.460 --> 01:04:54.020 +molecularly altered to insert a fear and cleavage site at the S1, S2 junction. + +01:04:54.020 --> 01:04:59.180 +And when this text was first shown to me, the very first thing that went off in my head + +01:04:59.180 --> 01:05:03.460 +was, well, that's a convenient way of making it, making it real. + +01:05:03.460 --> 01:05:07.620 +Isn't that a very convenient way of making it real leak a grant proposal that never + +01:05:07.620 --> 01:05:08.620 +got funded? + +01:05:08.620 --> 01:05:14.780 +Well, I will tell you that when I ignored that grant proposal, eventually that was intolerable + +01:05:14.780 --> 01:05:23.300 +and somebody came to my house and physically convinced me to join Drastic again and to + +01:05:23.300 --> 01:05:28.140 +pursue the origin of the virus because they are hiding this lab leak. + +01:05:28.140 --> 01:05:33.220 +And so for a few more months, I was kind of in this hamster wheel again, trying to figure + +01:05:33.220 --> 01:05:39.300 +out if this diffuse proposal was real, but in reality, I have now, I'm firmly on the + +01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:44.860 +side of this being part of this worst case scenario narrative that they are trying to + +01:05:44.860 --> 01:05:45.860 +spin up. + +01:05:45.860 --> 01:05:50.660 +And in fact, the diffuse proposal is still being given wood for its fire. + +01:05:50.660 --> 01:05:55.660 +There are still people that are doing foyas on the diffuse proposal and still doing analysis + +01:05:55.660 --> 01:06:00.300 +of the experiments that were proposed in the diffuse proposal, all under the pretense that + +01:06:00.300 --> 01:06:05.140 +this text, his further evidence that gain of function was happening, that they did it + +01:06:05.140 --> 01:06:08.140 +and that they were arrogant about it, and that it will come again. + +01:06:08.140 --> 01:06:11.980 +And so this has always been about that. + +01:06:11.980 --> 01:06:16.900 +And so every person that has contacted me has been trying to keep me focused on the origin + +01:06:16.900 --> 01:06:19.020 +and keep me off of transfection. + +01:06:19.020 --> 01:06:24.220 +And so after a while, that pattern just broke me and I just stopped paying attention. + +01:06:24.220 --> 01:06:28.020 +But it happened first for more than a year and a half. + +01:06:28.020 --> 01:06:34.180 +Can you say something about the escape theory? + +01:06:34.180 --> 01:06:39.020 +I just don't think it's it's I don't think that lab leaks and see and people getting + +01:06:39.020 --> 01:06:40.260 +sick are not real. + +01:06:40.260 --> 01:06:44.500 +No, I mean, I mean, the escape theory when you when the virus escapes when you haven't + +01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:45.500 +ever. + +01:06:45.500 --> 01:06:46.500 +Oh, yeah. + +01:06:46.500 --> 01:06:47.500 +Yeah. + +01:06:47.500 --> 01:06:48.500 +Yeah. + +01:06:48.500 --> 01:06:50.540 +So this is one of those things that I think is also part of the the illusion. + +01:06:50.540 --> 01:06:55.540 +So remember that one of the things that they convinced us of is that this virus wasn't + +01:06:55.540 --> 01:07:00.540 +here before 2019 and then it was here in the end of 2019. + +01:07:00.540 --> 01:07:07.220 +So what that means from the perspective of the of the phylogenetic tree is that the + +01:07:07.220 --> 01:07:11.940 +final phylogenetic tree started at a point and then it grew over the last five years from + +01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:14.700 +one point all over the world, one point all over the world. + +01:07:14.700 --> 01:07:17.900 +Well, no other, no other points where viruses grow, right? + +01:07:17.900 --> 01:07:19.140 +No other points from one. + +01:07:19.140 --> 01:07:20.140 +Yes. + +01:07:20.140 --> 01:07:21.140 +They can only grow from who? + +01:07:21.140 --> 01:07:22.140 +Right. + +01:07:22.140 --> 01:07:25.900 +And so the interesting thing about that is is that it assumes that as you've said before + +01:07:25.900 --> 01:07:29.980 +that there's no other signal in the background that could be mixed with this one, that there + +01:07:29.980 --> 01:07:35.060 +is no other signal that we could have been monitoring in 2019 or 2018 that we weren't + +01:07:35.060 --> 01:07:36.740 +monitoring because we weren't. + +01:07:36.740 --> 01:07:39.140 +We weren't doing any PCR surveillance. + +01:07:39.140 --> 01:07:42.700 +We weren't doing any sequence surveillance of any coronavirus. + +01:07:42.700 --> 01:07:47.780 +So as far as we know, there were 50 SARS viruses in circulation before the pandemic. + +01:07:47.780 --> 01:07:51.540 +And then they came up with a test and said, now this is evidence of spread. + +01:07:51.540 --> 01:07:57.620 +And so the important thing to for I think for us to now send as a message is that one + +01:07:57.620 --> 01:08:02.820 +of the ways they trapped us in this was convincing us that arguing about what this + +01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:05.500 +signal meant was so important. + +01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:12.420 +And so arguing about whether whether it means that there's novel spread or whether it means + +01:08:12.420 --> 01:08:15.620 +it's a background signal that that discussion never occurred. + +01:08:15.620 --> 01:08:20.060 +The discussion that occurred was, are we using the right primers? + +01:08:20.060 --> 01:08:22.620 +Are we overcycling these tests? + +01:08:23.180 --> 01:08:28.140 +So the questions that we were primed to ask actually made us accept the fact that the + +01:08:28.140 --> 01:08:32.820 +tests work had actually made us accept the fact that there was something to test for had + +01:08:32.820 --> 01:08:36.980 +actually made us accept the fact that there was an emergency when in reality what we should + +01:08:36.980 --> 01:08:41.060 +have been asking in the original is what would have happened if we use these tests six months + +01:08:41.060 --> 01:08:42.060 +ago? + +01:08:42.060 --> 01:08:43.060 +Would we find the same signal? + +01:08:43.060 --> 01:08:45.260 +And if that's the case, then what are we all worried about? + +01:08:45.260 --> 01:08:47.500 +But we never asked that question on purpose. + +01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:48.740 +They did it on purpose. + +01:08:48.740 --> 01:08:50.100 +They were very clever. + +01:08:50.100 --> 01:08:57.380 +You know that they make monitoring of our of the risks we live in while while just examining + +01:08:57.380 --> 01:09:00.100 +the wastewater. + +01:09:00.100 --> 01:09:03.500 +And that's honestly that would be the easiest thing to spike ever. + +01:09:03.500 --> 01:09:07.740 +You could spike the wastewater with DNA of any signal you wanted and then claim, look, + +01:09:07.740 --> 01:09:08.940 +there's Marburg in the sewer. + +01:09:08.940 --> 01:09:11.820 +I mean, it would be so easy to do it. + +01:09:11.820 --> 01:09:12.820 +A joke. + +01:09:12.820 --> 01:09:14.660 +This is why they do it. + +01:09:14.660 --> 01:09:18.980 +And they invest a lot of money and all the cities in Germany, they all started. + +01:09:18.980 --> 01:09:19.980 +They all make this. + +01:09:19.980 --> 01:09:21.220 +They all follow this nonsense. + +01:09:21.220 --> 01:09:22.940 +They give a lot of money for this. + +01:09:22.940 --> 01:09:23.940 +Yeah, wow. + +01:09:23.940 --> 01:09:25.580 +I don't even know what to say. + +01:09:25.580 --> 01:09:28.140 +We have to be aware of new risks, they say. + +01:09:28.140 --> 01:09:33.740 +And we have to have we have to monitor our sewer so so we can find out what's happening. + +01:09:33.740 --> 01:09:39.900 +Oh, I mean, this is really a very, very slippery slope to just declaring whatever they want + +01:09:39.900 --> 01:09:41.700 +to declare whenever they want to declare. + +01:09:41.700 --> 01:09:42.700 +Yes. + +01:09:42.700 --> 01:09:48.060 +And Robert Koch Institute is one of the first who says it and you have to do it. + +01:09:48.060 --> 01:09:49.060 +We want to be safe. + +01:09:49.060 --> 01:09:50.060 +Oh, my. + +01:09:50.060 --> 01:09:52.060 +Oh, it's terrible. + +01:09:52.060 --> 01:09:53.060 +Yes. + +01:09:53.060 --> 01:09:59.660 +What I think is what's very interesting is that, you know, when you say there were also + +01:09:59.660 --> 01:10:07.060 +certain stories or like trains of thought like presented with regards to the virus and + +01:10:07.060 --> 01:10:13.060 +so on, there must have been someone thinking about how can we distract these people, you + +01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:19.020 +know, like, how can we control also the scientific conversation, the discussion, you know, + +01:10:19.020 --> 01:10:23.020 +like, I mean, as you said, like maybe with the, okay, maybe that was a coincidence with + +01:10:23.020 --> 01:10:24.020 +the graphene idea. + +01:10:24.020 --> 01:10:30.500 +I don't know, you know, maybe was just someone looking for the wrong ingredients or something + +01:10:30.500 --> 01:10:34.660 +or had like a no, but I think it's actually more likely, I think it's actually more likely + +01:10:34.660 --> 01:10:39.700 +to be true because if there was graphene in one particular lot that somebody could find + +01:10:39.700 --> 01:10:44.780 +and show videos of, and it wasn't in any other lot so that they could debunk this all + +01:10:44.780 --> 01:10:48.940 +around the world, it's a perfect argument that gets nobody anywhere. + +01:10:48.940 --> 01:10:51.300 +And the longer you argue about it, the better. + +01:10:51.300 --> 01:10:52.300 +Yes. + +01:10:52.300 --> 01:10:57.900 +And the next time you do something into the job with where you can find something in the + +01:10:57.900 --> 01:11:07.700 +G5, with some, with your iPhone, you can try and the magnetic, the story with the magnetic + +01:11:07.700 --> 01:11:08.700 +... + +01:11:08.700 --> 01:11:09.700 +Absolutely. + +01:11:09.700 --> 01:11:10.700 +Yeah. + +01:11:10.700 --> 01:11:15.140 +All those stories where we were discussing, which we were discussing, they could have + +01:11:15.140 --> 01:11:20.460 +thought it in advance, they could have installed all these stories to distract us from what + +01:11:20.460 --> 01:11:21.460 +they do. + +01:11:21.460 --> 01:11:22.460 +Absolutely. + +01:11:22.460 --> 01:11:28.740 +I think that also the effects and the dangers that I think are real of 5G have been purposely + +01:11:28.740 --> 01:11:34.060 +confounded with the virus on purpose to try and, to try and again, get people to argue + +01:11:34.060 --> 01:11:39.180 +about stuff that they can never figure out, instead of arguing about the very simple fact + +01:11:39.180 --> 01:11:43.980 +that they are lying to us about a spreading risk, at the risk, additive pathogen. + +01:11:43.980 --> 01:11:44.980 +Yeah. + +01:11:44.980 --> 01:11:50.860 +And everything, those, everything which has, has a syllable smart in front, it's dangerous. + +01:11:50.860 --> 01:11:53.780 +Oh, well, they're going to get us with convenience, right? + +01:11:53.780 --> 01:11:54.780 +It's so convenient. + +01:11:54.780 --> 01:11:58.020 +You'll never have to, you'll never have to enter a password again, it'll just be a chip + +01:11:58.020 --> 01:11:59.460 +under your skin. + +01:11:59.460 --> 01:12:04.020 +That's the, that's the convenience of it. + +01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:10.900 +I am, I am absolutely thrilled that we have so much connection here and that we see it this + +01:12:10.900 --> 01:12:11.900 +way. + +01:12:12.900 --> 01:12:16.820 +I, what is it like to be a guy who saw this in 2009? + +01:12:16.820 --> 01:12:21.620 +You've been trapped in this little hell for, for 15 or 20 years where most of us are just + +01:12:21.620 --> 01:12:23.540 +recently waking up. + +01:12:23.540 --> 01:12:27.340 +I only really figured it out in 2022 as well as I have. + +01:12:27.340 --> 01:12:34.420 +I gave my kids their vaccinations before they went to their new school in 2022 and then watched + +01:12:34.420 --> 01:12:39.900 +the movie vaxxed and realized that, wow, no problem, I'm a little bit older than you. + +01:12:39.900 --> 01:12:41.940 +So I started a little bit before you. + +01:12:41.940 --> 01:12:43.780 +Yeah, I see. + +01:12:43.780 --> 01:12:47.620 +I mean, but it's, it must've been, I mean, I guess what I'm trying to get at is is that + +01:12:47.620 --> 01:12:52.940 +when you spoke out in 2009, there wasn't this global awareness of anything. + +01:12:52.940 --> 01:12:56.500 +It was very easy for them to kind of hide you in the noise. + +01:12:56.500 --> 01:13:00.620 +And although I think locally it was important what you did, I don't think the story really + +01:13:00.620 --> 01:13:07.660 +ever penetrated the, the media in America at all, whereas now this global thing has sort + +01:13:07.660 --> 01:13:14.420 +of, I think made it possible in a way for, you know, people like me, I don't think I + +01:13:14.420 --> 01:13:18.860 +would have been able to, to sustain speaking out in 2009 because there wouldn't have been + +01:13:18.860 --> 01:13:19.860 +enough momentum. + +01:13:19.860 --> 01:13:21.860 +There wouldn't have been enough feedback. + +01:13:21.860 --> 01:13:26.820 +I would have felt like I was shouting into the breeze, whereas now, I mean, look, I get + +01:13:26.820 --> 01:13:30.740 +to talk to you or I don't think in 2009 this would have even been possible. + +01:13:30.740 --> 01:13:33.300 +So that's also a thing to be hopeful about. + +01:13:33.300 --> 01:13:35.020 +So this is an advantage, you know. + +01:13:35.020 --> 01:13:36.020 +Yeah. + +01:13:36.140 --> 01:13:42.900 +I talk to so many people I would never, never been the chance to talk to is so I'm so happy + +01:13:42.900 --> 01:13:45.100 +to experience all this for myself. + +01:13:45.100 --> 01:13:48.620 +If I'm agristic, I learned so much in those last years. + +01:13:48.620 --> 01:13:50.540 +I never learned so much before. + +01:13:50.540 --> 01:13:51.540 +Yeah. + +01:13:51.540 --> 01:13:52.540 +I think it is really wonderful. + +01:13:52.540 --> 01:13:58.220 +I mean, that's definitely one of the, the more twisted things about this is, is that + +01:13:58.220 --> 01:14:02.820 +it has been a superior learning experience indeed. + +01:14:02.820 --> 01:14:07.700 +I haven't loved biology as much as I've loved it in the last three years because I feel + +01:14:07.700 --> 01:14:10.620 +like I'm actually, I'm actually doing it again. + +01:14:10.620 --> 01:14:12.700 +So that's really cool. + +01:14:12.700 --> 01:14:16.580 +I'm happy about that, but, but it's getting rough. + +01:14:16.580 --> 01:14:23.180 +I was working for Children's Health Defense for about, so I helped Bobby Kennedy with, + +01:14:23.180 --> 01:14:27.700 +with his, with his book about the lab leak and I tried to get a little bit of this biology + +01:14:27.700 --> 01:14:28.700 +in there. + +01:14:28.700 --> 01:14:31.860 +There's some biology about how RNA can't pandemic in that book. + +01:14:32.860 --> 01:14:37.220 +Then after the book, I got hired by Children's Health Defense, but I was only working there + +01:14:37.220 --> 01:14:41.260 +for six months before they laid me off again, presumably because of the things that I'm + +01:14:41.260 --> 01:14:42.260 +still saying. + +01:14:42.260 --> 01:14:48.100 +It wasn't really clear exactly why, but it's been pretty disappointing because I thought + +01:14:48.100 --> 01:14:51.860 +I had kind of a dream job and I'd figured it out and I'd got a better foundation under + +01:14:51.860 --> 01:14:57.180 +me and I was going to push forward and then out of nowhere the first week of January, + +01:14:57.180 --> 01:14:58.660 +they said they're going to part ways with me. + +01:14:59.660 --> 01:15:03.700 +So I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic that that means I'm over the target and then I'm teaching + +01:15:03.700 --> 01:15:10.500 +what I need to teach, but my family and, and our future is a little bit less, less solid + +01:15:10.500 --> 01:15:11.980 +ground than we were a month ago. + +01:15:11.980 --> 01:15:18.260 +So that's, that's unfortunate, but this is, this is high hope optimism to the 10th power + +01:15:18.260 --> 01:15:19.260 +meeting you. + +01:15:19.260 --> 01:15:23.620 +I mean, I don't, I know that you're a guy who doesn't see yourself that way, but from, + +01:15:23.620 --> 01:15:28.140 +from my little life and my little corner of the world, you really are a giant among giants + +01:15:28.140 --> 01:15:32.700 +and I can't thank you enough for, for talking to me. + +01:15:32.700 --> 01:15:40.700 +I guess that's, that's too much of a, you know, nothing, nothing, I speak Dutch. + +01:15:40.700 --> 01:15:43.220 +So I can understand that German. + +01:15:43.220 --> 01:15:49.460 +Okay, well, I mean, thanks so much for all the work and, you know, also your courage to + +01:15:49.460 --> 01:15:55.180 +really, you know, speak out and, and not be distracted, like from, from all these, you + +01:15:55.180 --> 01:16:00.580 +know, these, these, whatever they present as a narrative for like aspects of that. + +01:16:00.580 --> 01:16:01.940 +I have one last question. + +01:16:01.940 --> 01:16:10.100 +The disease X that is now kind of hovering in the, in the near side. + +01:16:10.100 --> 01:16:13.580 +That's also, I mean, in your point of view, I guess that's another story. + +01:16:13.580 --> 01:16:18.300 +Well, again, remember that I'm not suggesting to you that they can't make a lot of it. + +01:16:18.300 --> 01:16:23.660 +And so they can make a lot of, of an RNA and they could transfect hundreds or thousands + +01:16:23.660 --> 01:16:28.740 +of people in any given place using any number of, of known methodologies of aerosolizing + +01:16:28.740 --> 01:16:32.500 +the RNA or spraying it on people or droplets of it. + +01:16:32.500 --> 01:16:33.780 +I don't know how they would do it. + +01:16:33.780 --> 01:16:35.980 +They, they, they, they, can you eat it? + +01:16:35.980 --> 01:16:36.980 +You could eat it. + +01:16:36.980 --> 01:16:37.980 +Maybe. + +01:16:37.980 --> 01:16:38.980 +I don't know. + +01:16:38.980 --> 01:16:41.980 +But the point would be is that they can make this RNA, they can make this DNA in high + +01:16:41.980 --> 01:16:44.140 +quantities and then put it in places. + +01:16:44.140 --> 01:16:45.860 +Will it make people sick? + +01:16:45.860 --> 01:16:46.860 +Maybe. + +01:16:46.860 --> 01:16:48.860 +Will it make PCR test positive? + +01:16:48.860 --> 01:16:49.860 +Absolutely. + +01:16:49.860 --> 01:16:51.580 +Will it make sequencing high fidelity? + +01:16:51.580 --> 01:16:52.580 +Absolutely. + +01:16:52.580 --> 01:16:55.580 +They'd be able to find it in lots of places, absolutely. + +01:16:55.580 --> 01:17:02.660 +And so what I think we need to understand is that although an RNA molecule can't become + +01:17:02.660 --> 01:17:09.260 +disease X on its own with standard molecular biological techniques used in pharmaceutical + +01:17:09.260 --> 01:17:14.340 +companies all around the world, they could make enough of DNA and RNA to create the illusion + +01:17:14.340 --> 01:17:15.340 +of that. + +01:17:15.340 --> 01:17:16.340 +And that's the dangerous part. + +01:17:16.340 --> 01:17:21.220 +They can make a protein that's highly immunogenic and they could, they could put that protein + +01:17:21.220 --> 01:17:25.300 +into something and they could use a toxin to and then lie about it. + +01:17:25.300 --> 01:17:30.340 +Like there's lots of ways that they could make disease X show up that doesn't have anything + +01:17:30.340 --> 01:17:35.540 +to do with an RNA molecule perpetuating itself for years. + +01:17:35.540 --> 01:17:38.780 +That's, that's the biology we need to teach our kids because that's what disease X is. + +01:17:38.780 --> 01:17:41.780 +It's just an extension of this mythology. + +01:17:41.780 --> 01:17:44.140 +Yeah, that's right. + +01:17:44.140 --> 01:17:45.740 +So we got to watch out. + +01:17:45.740 --> 01:17:46.740 +Yeah. + +01:17:46.740 --> 01:17:49.220 +Thanks so much for, for being with us today. + +01:17:49.220 --> 01:17:54.980 +It's, yeah, it's been very inspirational also, I think on a lot of levels and I guess + +01:17:54.980 --> 01:17:58.740 +we just have to continue speaking out about what's going on. + +01:17:58.740 --> 01:17:59.740 +I agree. + +01:17:59.740 --> 01:18:02.260 +If you could share the, if you could share the link when you have it, I would, I would + +01:18:02.260 --> 01:18:03.260 +spread it out too. + +01:18:03.260 --> 01:18:04.260 +Yeah, we will. + +01:18:04.260 --> 01:18:05.260 +Thank you very much. + +01:18:05.260 --> 01:18:06.260 +We will. + +01:18:06.260 --> 01:18:08.540 +Thanks a lot and keep up the good work. + +01:18:08.540 --> 01:18:09.540 +Okay, I will. + +01:18:09.540 --> 01:18:10.540 +Thank you very much. + +01:18:10.540 --> 01:18:11.540 +Thank you. + +01:18:11.540 --> 01:18:12.540 +Thank you very much too. + +01:18:12.540 --> 01:18:13.540 +Bye bye. + +01:18:13.540 --> 01:18:14.540 +Thank you. + +01:18:14.540 --> 01:18:15.540 +Bye bye. + +01:18:15.540 --> 01:18:16.540 +Bye. + +01:18:16.540 --> 01:18:17.540 +Bye. + +01:18:17.540 --> 01:18:18.540 +Yeah. + +01:18:18.540 --> 01:18:20.300 +I don't even know what to say about that. + +01:18:20.300 --> 01:18:22.940 +I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to hang up before I start crying. + +01:18:22.940 --> 01:18:24.420 +Thank you very much for joining me. + +01:18:24.420 --> 01:18:25.420 +Thanks for being here. + +01:18:25.420 --> 01:18:26.420 +Live for that. + +01:18:26.420 --> 01:18:27.740 +I'm probably going to stream later. + +01:18:27.740 --> 01:18:28.740 +I got to decompress. + +01:18:28.740 --> 01:18:32.300 +I need some lunch and I need a coffee. + +01:18:32.300 --> 01:18:33.300 +That was just crazy. + +01:18:33.300 --> 01:18:37.300 +I just, I didn't, I had a bunch of stuff written down, but I never really said any + +01:18:37.300 --> 01:18:38.300 +of it. + +01:18:38.300 --> 01:18:41.380 +And I just kind of shot from the hip. + +01:18:41.380 --> 01:18:45.620 +So we'll see what it is on the replay and thank you very much for joining me. + +01:18:45.620 --> 01:18:47.180 +Have a good afternoon and I'll see you later. + +01:18:47.180 --> 01:18:47.520 +Thanks. + diff --git a/twitch/2037237943 (2024-01-19) - Conversation with Wolfgang Wodarg --(19 Jan 2024)-- Gigaohm Biological High Resistance Low Noise Information Brief/README.md b/twitch/2037237943 (2024-01-19) - Conversation with Wolfgang Wodarg --(19 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