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Jay Couey discusses the human genome [Charles Kovess].diarized.vtt @@ -7,16 +7,16 @@ WEBVTT [Charles Kovess]: meeting of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International. 00:10.253 --> 00:22.555 -[Charles Kovess]: We're having an urgent announcement for five minutes to start before I introduce Jay Cooey, wonderful presenter, wonderful thinker, who's joining us today. +[Charles Kovess]: We're having an urgent announcement for five minutes to start before I introduce Jay Couey, wonderful presenter, wonderful thinker, who's joining us today. 00:22.615 --> 00:28.616 -[Charles Kovess]: We're going to have five minutes from Craig Partycooper, who's presented to us twice before. +[Charles Kovess]: We're going to have five minutes from Craig Paardekooper, who's presented to us twice before. 00:29.916 --> 00:33.417 [Charles Kovess]: This group was founded over three years ago by Stephen Frost. 00:33.477 --> 00:34.317 -[Charles Kovess]: I'm Charles Cobis. +[Charles Kovess]: I'm Charles Kovess. 00:34.357 --> 00:35.417 [Charles Kovess]: I'll do a shortened @@ -61,7 +61,7 @@ WEBVTT [Charles Kovess]: The meeting is recorded, is uploaded onto the Rumble channel. 01:25.378 --> 01:30.941 -[Charles Kovess]: And before I introduce Jay Cooey, Craig Patacoupa, the next five minutes is yours. +[Charles Kovess]: And before I introduce Jay Couey, Craig Paardekooper, the next five minutes is yours. 01:31.001 --> 01:33.242 [Charles Kovess]: We are all ears. @@ -232,7 +232,7 @@ WEBVTT [Craig]: At the bottom of the 08:13.160 --> 08:18.642 -[Craig]: I've provided links, so here you have, you can find this information under COVID and Colt. +[Craig]: I've provided links, so here you have, you can find this information under COVID and Cult. 08:19.042 --> 08:25.663 [Craig]: I've created a document that's about 40 pages where I go into detail in analyzing the image. @@ -301,7 +301,7 @@ WEBVTT [Charles Kovess]: He will discuss with Stephen and I will stop his sharing there and 10:04.409 --> 10:09.071 -[Charles Kovess]: Jonathan J. Cooey. +[Charles Kovess]: Jonathan J. Couey. 10:09.091 --> 10:15.253 [Charles Kovess]: I'm delighted to have you again to talk about the Human Genome Project. @@ -352,10 +352,10 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: You can also find this book on the Internet Archive and if you just search for Erwin Schrodinger and What is Life, there are probably 11:20.263 --> 11:28.513 -[J Jay Couey]: Many places where you can find the PDF of it some of the PDFs have this cover some of the PDFs have a little chicken on the front There's a Cambridge version. +[J Jay Couey]: many places where you can find the PDF of it some of the PDFs have this cover some of the PDFs have a little chicken on the front There's a Cambridge version. 11:28.553 --> 11:30.455 -[J Jay Couey]: There's a there's another well. +[J Jay Couey]: There's a there's another as well. 11:30.475 --> 11:31.837 [J Jay Couey]: This one's also a Cambridge version. @@ -364,7 +364,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: Maybe there's multiple ones anyway, I think that the reason why this book is so interesting is because it 11:38.944 --> 12:02.054 -[J Jay Couey]: It has become clear to me in trying to formulate a new Biology 101 for freshman students in college that something is really wrong with Campbell, the book that everybody uses at universities in America, and with the help of my friend Mark Kulak and other people like Peter Hotez and others, +[J Jay Couey]: It has become clear to me in trying to formulate a new Biology 101 for freshman students in college that something is really wrong with Campbell, the book that everybody uses at universities in America, and with the help of my friend Mark Kulacz and other people like Peter Hotez and others, 12:02.834 --> 12:15.260 [J Jay Couey]: It has become very clear to me that there is a long mentor chain of thoughtfulness with regard to answering some very crucial questions about what we can and can't understand about ourselves. @@ -391,7 +391,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: I think the best example that I have, I'm just going to take a cut right here. 13:05.952 --> 13:09.658 -[J Jay Couey]: I have little notes, and I'm just going to grab this notes here. +[J Jay Couey]: I have little notes, and I'm just going to grab this note here. 13:09.678 --> 13:11.200 [J Jay Couey]: I'm going to drop this in the chat. @@ -436,7 +436,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And for me, that's 15:29.938 --> 15:32.602 -[J Jay Couey]: That's where the rubber doesn't meet the road anymore. +[J Jay Couey]: that's where the rubber doesn't meet the road anymore. 15:32.662 --> 15:44.277 [J Jay Couey]: For me, as a child and as a biologist, when I was a kid, there was no question in my mind that what I was looking at and appreciating was beyond a simple explanation. @@ -451,7 +451,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: That kid was constantly being told to shut up when it came to formulating my grant questions or teaching people what it was that I was trying to address as a concept with my experiments, because reductionist biology necessarily requires you to only pick a few knobs and then 16:13.132 --> 16:33.573 -[J Jay Couey]: ten that okay if I leave these two knobs alone and turn knob number one then I get one result and if I turn knob number one with knob number two I get another result and then that's supposed to be understanding the system because you're ignoring all the other knobs that you know exist and the ones that you haven't even found yet and the art of being a ten-year professor is being able to +[J Jay Couey]: pretend that okay if I leave these two knobs alone and turn knob number one then I get one result and if I turn knob number one with knob number two I get another result and then that's supposed to be understanding the system because you're ignoring all the other knobs that you know exist and the ones that you haven't even found yet and the art of being a tenured professor is being able to 16:34.534 --> 16:44.902 [J Jay Couey]: at the same time as you justify how important the knobs are that you're turning, also very humbly admit that you don't know what any of the other knobs do and you're sure that they do things important too. @@ -526,7 +526,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And there are people who are experts on birds and can tell you what things you have to put in your backyard to attract which birds and which birds you want to attract when you have a certain sickness, and which birds will come and announce that the sicknesses are coming and all this stuff. 19:28.858 --> 19:38.043 -[J Jay Couey]: And you can imagine very easily this elaborate mythology that would be created with weather and with what birds eat and all this other knowledge that could be misconstrued. +[J Jay Couey]: And you can imagine very easily this elaborate mythology that would be created with weather and with what birds eat and all this other knowledge that could be misconstrued 19:39.623 --> 19:45.465 [J Jay Couey]: as birds being an intimate connection to nature and to our health and to our understanding of our biology. @@ -535,7 +535,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And with a crafty set of liars, you could get that to work, you could get that to go, even if at the beginning everything was really well-meant and it seemed to really work, that if you attract cardinals, then generally speaking, families are healthier than people that have crows in their backyard, whatever the anecdotal observations that get misconstrued as understanding are. 20:08.092 --> 20:15.674 -[J Jay Couey]: but then understand that at the beginning of this revolution, we were being propelled forward. +[J Jay Couey]: But then understand that at the beginning of this revolution, we were being propelled forward. 20:15.754 --> 20:18.234 [J Jay Couey]: Our greatest thinkers were chemists and physicists. @@ -592,7 +592,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And this is something that needs to be very clear in everybody's head as a starting biologist, or a restarting biologist, or a recovering biologist. 22:09.839 --> 22:20.668 -[J Jay Couey]: You have to see that an organism is something that moves through space, it's a pattern integrity that remains integrism to and through time. +[J Jay Couey]: You have to see that an organism is something that moves through space, it's a pattern integrity that remains integrated to and through time. 22:21.389 --> 22:28.715 [J Jay Couey]: And it's that developmental time course from a child to an adult, to an older adult, to an elderly person, that is a single course @@ -616,7 +616,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: So the preliminary answer which this little book will endeavor to expound and establish can be summarized as follows. 23:30.462 --> 23:41.849 -[J Jay Couey]: The obvious inability of present-day physics and chemistry to account for such events is no reason at all for doubting that they can be accounted for by those sciences. +[J Jay Couey]: "The obvious inability of present-day physics and chemistry to account for such events is no reason at all for doubting that they can be accounted for by those sciences." 23:42.765 --> 23:54.453 [J Jay Couey]: So just because we don't have the microscopes, just because we don't have the fine instruments, doesn't mean that when we do, we won't be able to just account for everything by physics and chemistry. @@ -625,10 +625,10 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And so it is very important to understand that that premise 24:01.263 --> 24:12.075 -[J Jay Couey]: That premise is central to Biology 101 at every university in the Western world, and it is absolutely central to the idea that the Human Genome Project accomplished anything at all. +[J Jay Couey]: that premise is central to Biology 101 at every university in the Western world, and it is absolutely central to the idea that the Human Genome Project accomplished anything at all. 24:15.253 --> 24:19.599 -[J Jay Couey]: because the concept is very different than what it actually is. +[J Jay Couey]: Because the concept is very different than what it actually is. 24:19.759 --> 24:31.916 [J Jay Couey]: This is written at a time when they're getting excited about the possibility of identifying this chemistry, and the identification of this chemistry was immediately taken as proof that this was true. @@ -664,7 +664,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: I have a list of a couple things that I wanna talk to you about, and the rest I just wanna share things to read. 26:14.275 --> 26:27.018 -[J Jay Couey]: Also on that list of GigaOM Biological slash stuff is this book, which is, I guess you can't see that, maybe I can do this, is The Phenomenon of Man by Teilhard de Chardin. +[J Jay Couey]: Also on that list of Gigaohm Biological slash stuff is this book, which is, I guess you can't see that, maybe I can do this, is The Phenomenon of Man by Teilhard de Chardin. 26:27.058 --> 26:28.678 [J Jay Couey]: He is a Jesuit priest @@ -679,7 +679,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: Why? 26:40.549 --> 26:44.613 -[J Jay Couey]: Because he was really, really into that pith down man guy. +[J Jay Couey]: Because he was really, really into that Pithdown Man guy. 26:44.693 --> 26:50.258 [J Jay Couey]: I don't know if you remember this, but there was something in the 20s or the 30s or the 40s. @@ -700,7 +700,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And this priest 27:13.840 --> 27:22.109 -[J Jay Couey]: took the pith down man and ran with it, and said that that meant Darwin was right, and that meant that we were descended from animals, and the church didn't like that. +[J Jay Couey]: took the Pithdown Man and ran with it, and said that that meant Darwin was right, and that meant that we were descended from animals, and the church didn't like that. 27:22.209 --> 27:24.792 [J Jay Couey]: But this guy was really like, oh, this solves the problem. @@ -715,7 +715,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: went for evolution fully, and also in this thing said that the shape of the planet being round meant that at some point the phenomenon of man, the species of man, would become one 28:10.640 --> 28:17.123 -[J Jay Couey]: cognitive unit, a no-sphere, and that would be the way that we would move forward. +[J Jay Couey]: cognitive unit, a noosphere, and that would be the way that we would move forward. 28:17.163 --> 28:28.688 [J Jay Couey]: I may have said this before, and if I have I apologize, but Julian Huxley characterized this idea as the equivalent of fish swimming in groups in the water, and men @@ -751,10 +751,10 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And so I think it's just really telling to read the first part here. 29:59.684 --> 30:04.147 -[J Jay Couey]: The rediscovery of Mendel's laws of heredity in the opening weeks of the 20th century. +[J Jay Couey]: "The rediscovery of Mendel's laws of heredity in the opening weeks of the 20th century..." 30:04.247 --> 30:05.748 -[J Jay Couey]: The opening weeks of the 20th century. +[J Jay Couey]: The opening weeks of the 20th century, 30:07.284 --> 30:19.287 [J Jay Couey]: which is actually around the same few years that we were talking about with regard to the Pithdown Man, and with regard to when this guy was starting to get in trouble with the Church because he was saying evolution. @@ -793,10 +793,10 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: Mendel spent a long time breeding pea plants that started to show consistent traits. 32:07.839 --> 32:16.302 -[J Jay Couey]: It's not that he just started with pea plants with wrinkles and pea plants without wrinkles and then did these studies and voila, I wrote the book. +[J Jay Couey]: It's not that he just started with pea plants with wrinkles and pea plants without wrinkles and then did these studies and voila, wrote the book. 32:17.339 --> 32:18.600 -[J Jay Couey]: that's not how it worked. +[J Jay Couey]: That's not how it worked. 32:19.500 --> 32:24.584 [J Jay Couey]: He first had to breed these plants long enough so that the traits were consistent. @@ -829,7 +829,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And what is a knockout mouse? 33:51.512 --> 33:59.599 -[J Jay Couey]: A knockout mouse is a mouse that supposedly has a protein, a gene, at that time a protein was really the gene that you would knock out or a gene. +[J Jay Couey]: A knockout mouse is a mouse that supposedly has a protein, a gene, at that time a protein was really the gene that you would knock out, or a gene. 34:00.119 --> 34:04.683 [J Jay Couey]: And so you'd knock out a protein and if you got lucky enough and the mouse lived @@ -916,10 +916,10 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And they also believe, for example, in this thing, and I know this is out of date now, but in 2003, there was a paper by the last name of Hillis, and they put together this plot where they put like 2,000 plus species on it, and they tried to make this tree where it starts with the most basic kinds of protists and then splits, and now you get all the rest of life, and here's where the bacteria are over here, 38:40.765 --> 38:50.875 -[J Jay Couey]: here are the animals and we're over on this part if you can see my my arrow here and so this is like a PDF you can zoom in and see all the animals that they did and yet all we have is a snapshot +[J Jay Couey]: here are the animals and we're over on this part if you can see my my arrow here and so this is like a PDF you can zoom in and see all the animals that they did and yet all we have is a snapshot. 38:52.418 --> 39:11.874 -[J Jay Couey]: Just like with this coronavirus or with this latest, there was a latest neuroscience paper, not neuroscience, nature paper that came out that showed that they went for some used AI to find all the RNA viruses in some sample and they found all kinds of new viruses or potential new viruses using metagenomic sequences. +[J Jay Couey]: Just like with this coronavirus or with this latest, there was a latest Neuroscience paper, not Neuroscience, Nature paper that came out that showed that they went for some used AI to find all the RNA viruses in some sample and they found all kinds of new viruses or potential new viruses using metagenomic sequences. 39:12.314 --> 39:13.115 [J Jay Couey]: It's no different. @@ -940,7 +940,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: That these main foundational cornerstone bricks are that the DNA is the code for life, 39:56.952 --> 40:03.234 -[J Jay Couey]: And therefore, it's just a matter of time before we are able to understand it, use it, manipulate it, improve it. +[J Jay Couey]: and therefore, it's just a matter of time before we are able to understand it, use it, manipulate it, improve it. 40:03.994 --> 40:05.595 [J Jay Couey]: And everything else is an assumption. @@ -961,13 +961,13 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And I even based my understanding of the brain and my organization of my thoughts on how to pursue a further understanding of the brain based on this idea that I had to think of neurons as expressing 40:26.062 --> 40:33.732 -[J Jay Couey]: Jeans and jeans coming on and off and how even though we can't monitor that we assume it's happening and all of this gets fueled by these. +[J Jay Couey]: genes and genes coming on and off and how even though we can't monitor that we assume it's happening and all of this gets fueled by these. 40:34.352 --> 40:38.437 [J Jay Couey]: These wonderful cartoons and and all of these elaborate animations. 40:39.138 --> 40:44.064 -[J Jay Couey]: And you in that same video that I assign you for homework he will at some point. +[J Jay Couey]: And you...in that same video that I assign you for homework he will at some point 40:45.626 --> 41:07.477 [J Jay Couey]: he will show you a video that somebody made, a computer animation of DNA being copied and proofread, and in that entire model there's no water molecules, there's no other proteins and chaperones around, there's no bases anywhere, it's just, you know, making a nice little thing, but that model doesn't even @@ -1009,7 +1009,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: Schrodinger because on page 21 and again, you got to read the whole book. 42:34.599 --> 42:40.022 -[J Jay Couey]: The whole book is just mesmerizing It's gonna go a little bit farther here +[J Jay Couey]: The whole book is just mesmerizing. It's gonna go a little bit farther here. 42:42.717 --> 42:50.463 [J Jay Couey]: So the physical laws rest on atomic statistics and are therefore only approximate is one of the first things you really need to understand. @@ -1045,7 +1045,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: But I just want to get past all this stuff, just to make sure that you understand that this whole book is really important to read, because it is a guy who sees the problem. 44:28.465 --> 44:31.489 -[J Jay Couey]: And so in the second part, he's talking about the hereditary mechanism. +[J Jay Couey]: And so in the second part, he's talking about the hereditary mechanism 44:32.446 --> 44:33.406 [J Jay Couey]: and what the problem is. @@ -1054,13 +1054,13 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And he sees a very big problem, but a lot of the people who read this book don't seem to realize that he sees this problem. 44:40.548 --> 44:55.032 -[J Jay Couey]: So the hereditary code script, chromosomes, let me use the word pattern of an organism in the sense in which the biologist calls it the four-dimensional pattern, meaning not only the structure and functioning of that organism in the adult or in any particular stage, +[J Jay Couey]: So "the hereditary code script, chromosomes, let me use the word pattern of an organism in the sense in which the biologist calls it the four-dimensional pattern, meaning not only the structure and functioning of that organism in the adult or in any particular stage, 44:56.403 --> 45:03.707 [J Jay Couey]: but the whole of its ontogenetic development from the fertilized egg cell to the stage of maturity when the organism begins to reproduce itself. 45:04.267 --> 45:10.531 -[J Jay Couey]: Now, this whole four-dimensional pattern is known to be determined by the structure of that one cell, the fertilized egg. +[J Jay Couey]: Now, this whole four-dimensional pattern is known to be determined by the structure of that one cell, the fertilized egg." 45:11.111 --> 45:12.752 [J Jay Couey]: Known to be determined. @@ -1081,28 +1081,28 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And this is the trick. 45:30.165 --> 45:33.007 -[J Jay Couey]: Every complete set of chromosomes contains the full code. +[J Jay Couey]: "Every complete set of chromosomes contains the full code. 45:33.488 --> 45:39.593 -[J Jay Couey]: So there are, as a rule, two copies of the latter in the fertilized egg cell, which forms the earliest stage of the future individual. +[J Jay Couey]: "So there are, as a rule, two copies of the latter in the fertilized egg cell, which forms the earliest stage of the future individual." 45:39.613 --> 45:52.783 -[J Jay Couey]: And then we go down here and he says, you know, that it can be a black cock or a speckled hen or a fly or a maize plant, a rhododendron, a beetle, a mouse, or a woman, to which we may add that the appearances of the egg cells are often remarkably similar. +[J Jay Couey]: "And then we go down here and he says, you know, that it can be a black cock or a speckled hen or a fly or a maize plant, a rhododendron, a beetle, a mouse, or a woman, to which we may add that the appearances of the egg cells are often remarkably similar. 45:55.126 --> 46:07.474 -[J Jay Couey]: And so even when they are not, as in the case of the comparatively gigantic eggs of birds and reptiles, the difference is not so much in the relevant structures as in the nutritive material, which in these cases is added for obvious reasons. +[J Jay Couey]: "And so even when they are not, as in the case of the comparatively gigantic eggs of birds and reptiles, the difference is not so much in the relevant structures as in the nutritive material, which in these cases is added for obvious reasons. 46:07.534 --> 46:10.596 -[J Jay Couey]: But the term codescript, of course, is too narrow. +[J Jay Couey]: "But the term codescript, of course, is too narrow. 46:11.718 --> 46:17.380 -[J Jay Couey]: The chromosome structures are at the same time instrumental in bringing about the development they foreshadow. +[J Jay Couey]: "The chromosome structures are at the same time instrumental in bringing about the development they foreshadow. 46:17.981 --> 46:21.402 -[J Jay Couey]: They are law, code, and executive power. +[J Jay Couey]: "They are law, code, and executive power. 46:21.702 --> 46:28.605 -[J Jay Couey]: Or, to use another simile, they are the architect's plan and the builder's craft in one. +[J Jay Couey]: "Or, to use another simile, they are the architect's plan and the builder's craft in one." 46:29.827 --> 46:41.895 [J Jay Couey]: And so my argument will be that up until now, and including the present day, biologists are only able to scratch the surface of the part that encodes proteins. @@ -1132,7 +1132,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: I've just never did realize that people were already codifying it so eloquently already back when this guy's book was written, because this is not part of Biology 101. 47:50.825 --> 47:59.190 -[J Jay Couey]: Desjardins, you don't read Schrodinger, you don't read Jonas Salk's Survival of the Wisest, where they say exactly the same thing. +[J Jay Couey]: de Chardin, you don't read Schrodinger, you don't read Jonas Salk's Survival of the Wisest, where they say exactly the same thing. 47:59.210 --> 48:11.557 [J Jay Couey]: The determinist aspect of our biology means that as a species we need to put our big boy pants on and start taking control of our evolution, because we are a phenomenon, we aren't individuals. @@ -1174,7 +1174,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: methodologies that are responsible for all the biologics in the world, all the sequencing technologies, all of this stuff, he was involved in it. 50:32.217 --> 50:40.702 -[J Jay Couey]: And if you go down to the discussion here, I want you to point out that the idea of this actually started at the Department of Energy. +[J Jay Couey]: And if you go down to the discussion here, I want to point out that the idea of this actually started at the Department of Energy. 50:40.742 --> 50:43.704 [J Jay Couey]: And I don't know if anyone's aware that's not in the United States. @@ -1186,7 +1186,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And in fact, this is a direct admission 50:51.348 --> 51:00.580 -[J Jay Couey]: that it descends from the same funding and the same secrecy that DITRA comes from, that the State Department uses, and that all of the Manhattan Project used. +[J Jay Couey]: that it descends from the same funding and the same secrecy that DTRA comes from, that the State Department uses, and that all of the Manhattan Project used. 51:01.414 --> 51:15.527 [J Jay Couey]: And so in order to maintain that secrecy, in order to maintain that funding stream, a lot of those physicists that were involved in the Manhattan Project actually went into the precursor projects of the Human Genome Project. @@ -1259,9 +1259,10 @@ WEBVTT 54:24.455 --> 54:35.483 [J Jay Couey]: So, instead of speaking for an hour, I already probably spoke too long, I want to be able to answer as many questions as anybody wants to throw at me, even from previous talks. +[Charles Kovess]: Wonderful. 54:38.085 --> 54:38.225 -[J Jay Couey]: of a +[J Jay Couey]: You're going to find a lot of pushback...I would say try to get Kevin McKernan on here. Try to get Kevin McKernan on here again without me here and 54:45.497 --> 54:53.980 [J Jay Couey]: And let me give you a few questions that you can ask him that will reveal exactly what kind of chicanery is going on now. @@ -1297,7 +1298,7 @@ WEBVTT [Charles Kovess]: Well, Jay, loved it, loved it, not disappointed at all. 55:43.174 --> 55:52.339 -[Charles Kovess]: I love the series of questions and I love what the intent of this group is to stop thinking, yes, I know how life works. +[Charles Kovess]: I love the series of questions and I love what...the intent of this group is to stop thinking, yes, I know how life works. 55:53.159 --> 55:55.680 [Charles Kovess]: And so thank you for, we'll call this the confession of JJ. @@ -1306,13 +1307,13 @@ WEBVTT [Charles Kovess]: The people that I've been around for a long time have said similar things, including Ian Brighthope has told this group about the depth of understanding of the functioning of the human cell is minuscule. 56:11.288 --> 56:16.811 -[Charles Kovess]: So the sheer ego of people saying this is how it works, it's lovely to be reminded of that. +[Charles Kovess]: So the sheer ego of people saying this is how it works, it's lovely to be reminded of that. You know... 56:17.631 --> 56:19.051 -[J Jay Couey]: You know, there's lots of them. +[J Jay Couey]: Oh there's lots of them. 56:19.111 --> 56:22.292 -[J Jay Couey]: And I just say there's that in the same list of things to download. +[J Jay Couey]: And I just say there's, that in the same list of things to download. 56:22.312 --> 56:25.373 [J Jay Couey]: There's a book by Dennis Noble called Understanding Living Systems. @@ -1324,7 +1325,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: He's still at it. 56:30.314 --> 56:35.215 -[J Jay Couey]: You know, these one of many dudes who this is me discovering that there were a lot of people out there. +[J Jay Couey]: You know, these one of many dudes who...this is me discovering that there were a lot of people out there. 56:35.875 --> 56:36.836 [J Jay Couey]: It's not my idea. @@ -1426,10 +1427,10 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And so, if you look at a long enough timescale in your imagination, spiders don't ever have to have come from anything, but they can still be a constantly changing vibration, and we can be constantly changing vibrations without having to have come from more primitive ones. 59:55.922 --> 01:00:00.723 -[J Jay Couey]: So again, I feel like the lack of data from anywhere but now +[J Jay Couey]: So again, I feel like the lack of data from anywhere but now, 01:00:02.765 --> 01:00:11.689 -[J Jay Couey]: And also the idea, for example, that everybody that collects dinosaur bones doesn't work for a university, but as a private company, and they only sell models. +[J Jay Couey]: and also the idea, for example, that everybody that collects dinosaur bones doesn't work for a university, but as a private company, and they only sell models. 01:00:11.789 --> 01:00:20.834 [J Jay Couey]: And it just, for me, it's all starting to drive me nuts because I know that the exaggeration is multi-generational. @@ -1720,25 +1721,25 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: Yeah and somewhere in there a lightning bolt hit a mud puddle on a rock that was really the right space away from the star to have liquid water and then it's been there for about a billion years and that's why. 01:11:49.685 --> 01:11:50.045 -[J Jay Couey]: Exactly. +[Stephen Frost]: Exactly. 01:11:51.607 --> 01:11:53.529 -[J Jay Couey]: Amazing, isn't it? +[Stephen Frost]: Amazing, isn't it? 01:11:53.849 --> 01:11:55.010 [Charles Kovess]: All right, let's go to questions. 01:11:55.050 --> 01:11:55.710 -[Charles Kovess]: Thank you, Charles. +[Stephen Frost]: Thank you, Charles. 01:11:55.750 --> 01:11:56.551 -[Charles Kovess]: Yes, very good. +[Stephen Frost]: Yes, very good. 01:11:56.811 --> 01:11:57.172 [Charles Kovess]: Well done. 01:11:57.632 --> 01:11:58.993 -[Charles Kovess]: I was wondering a bit there. +[Stephen Frost]: I was wandering a bit there. 01:11:59.514 --> 01:12:04.378 [Charles Kovess]: Dave Raznick, we've got lots of hands up, lots of conversation to be had. @@ -1792,7 +1793,7 @@ WEBVTT [David Rasnick]: I'm writing a book, and it's got a lot of stuff in it about that. 01:12:48.778 --> 01:13:04.243 -[David Rasnick]: And just a couple of interesting things I want to share with everybody once I realize the unimportance of individual genes and the DNA and all that, much less important in the realm that people think it is. +[David Rasnick]: And just a couple of interesting things I want to share with everybody once I realized the unimportance of individual genes and the DNA and all that, much less important in the realm than people think it is. 01:13:06.304 --> 01:13:10.346 [David Rasnick]: Some of the specifics that I've learned, I'm not a genetics guy. @@ -1867,7 +1868,7 @@ WEBVTT [David Rasnick]: I said what I wanted to say. 01:15:23.781 --> 01:15:24.702 -[Charles Kovess]: Good to hear from you, Dick. +[J Jay Couey]: Good to hear from you, Dave. 01:15:24.722 --> 01:15:25.222 [J Jay Couey]: Thank you. @@ -1888,7 +1889,7 @@ WEBVTT [Charles Kovess]: John. 01:15:35.583 --> 01:15:36.304 -[Charles Kovess]: John Lukacs. +[Charles Kovess]: John Lukach. 01:15:37.904 --> 01:15:38.284 [John Lukach]: Hey, JJ. @@ -2182,7 +2183,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: Yep. 01:26:40.034 --> 01:26:41.415 -[Charles Kovess]: Thank you, thank you, Mav. +[Charles Kovess]: Thank you, thank you, Marv. 01:26:42.651 --> 01:26:43.132 [Charles Kovess]: Albert. @@ -2191,7 +2192,7 @@ WEBVTT [Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: AJ, how you doing? 01:26:47.096 --> 01:26:47.696 -[Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: Could be worse. +[J Jay Couey]: Could be worse. 01:26:48.998 --> 01:26:52.781 [Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: Hey, I got about three or four questions I'm going to ask real fast. @@ -2206,7 +2207,7 @@ WEBVTT [Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: So with that, I was wondering if you thought autism or cancer was hereditary? 01:27:16.632 --> 01:27:21.614 -[Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: What is an immortal gene do you think is really cancer? +[Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: What is an immortal gene do you think it is really cancer? 01:27:22.554 --> 01:27:24.635 [Albert WelcomeTheEagle]: And what is aliquoting? @@ -2272,7 +2273,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: If it's the one behind me, I've got a great big cabinet. 01:28:40.487 --> 01:28:41.187 -[J Jay Couey]: No, it was open. +[Stephen Frost]: No, it was open. 01:28:41.247 --> 01:28:41.728 [J Jay Couey]: It was open. @@ -2320,7 +2321,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: So let's understand what optogenetics are and understand why this is complete bullshit. 01:30:18.855 --> 01:30:28.419 -[J Jay Couey]: So optogenetics, as they exist in neuroscience right now, in any form as far as I know, there might be something in DARPA that somebody will tell you is good, but I don't believe that. +[J Jay Couey]: So optogenetics, as they exist in neuroscience right now, in any form as far as I know -- there might be something in DARPA that somebody will tell you is good, but I don't believe that-- 01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:43.348 [J Jay Couey]: is an adenovirus-based transformation of an algal protein found in chloroplasts, which is actually a blue light-gated sodium channel. @@ -2431,7 +2432,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: So what's the best way to say this? 01:33:47.322 --> 01:33:58.647 -[J Jay Couey]: if you were growing tomato plants and keeping the seeds, and you didn't keep the seeds rather, but you just grew tomatoes, and then you tried to key hats, and that's not a good analogy. +[J Jay Couey]: if you were growing tomato plants and keeping the seeds, and you didn't keep the seeds rather, but you just grew tomatoes, and then you tried to keep...that, and that's not a good analogy. 01:33:58.687 --> 01:33:59.327 [J Jay Couey]: Hold on a second. @@ -2479,7 +2480,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: The other anecdotal story that you should know and you might not know, depending on how ubiquitous it is in Europe, because I don't know how ubiquitous it is in America, 01:35:34.431 --> 01:35:52.381 -[J Jay Couey]: But I can only tell you the anecdotal story that I told in the beginning of my Ron Johnson repeat that I did for my own platform, where I did basically the same talk that I gave to Sukrit last week, but I did it slower with a little more detail and specifically aimed at Ron Johnson. +[J Jay Couey]: But I can only tell you the anecdotal story that I told in the beginning of my Ron Johnson repeat that I did for my own platform, where I did basically the same talk that I gave to Sucharit last week, but I did it slower with a little more detail and specifically aimed at Ron Johnson. 01:35:54.122 --> 01:35:56.463 [J Jay Couey]: You might not be aware, but one of the most @@ -2488,7 +2489,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: used cell lines in pharmaceuticals and biotech and in academia is the fibroblast. 01:36:08.211 --> 01:36:18.336 -[J Jay Couey]: And fibroblasts are generated exclusively from the never-ending supply of foreskin that comes from American hospitals, has remnant material. +[J Jay Couey]: And fibroblasts are generated exclusively from the never-ending supply of foreskin that comes from American hospitals, as remnant material. 01:36:19.797 --> 01:36:22.438 [J Jay Couey]: Now, at first, you might think, oh, that's all right. @@ -2509,7 +2510,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And so being a kid growing up in Wisconsin and showering with everybody in elementary school, for whatever reason, I don't know why, that's the way it was at my school. 01:37:01.140 --> 01:37:08.183 -[J Jay Couey]: I know for a fact that a large majority of the young males that I grew up with are fully +[J Jay Couey]: I know for a fact that a large majority of the young males that I grew up with are fully... 01:37:09.588 --> 01:37:10.549 [J Jay Couey]: They have nothing. @@ -2527,7 +2528,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And I assure you that whatever was removed didn't go to a medical remnants sale and get derived into cell culture material. 01:37:47.611 --> 01:37:53.153 -[J Jay Couey]: because there is a pipeline of this coming from American hospitals, and it has been for a long time. +[J Jay Couey]: Because there is a pipeline of this coming from American hospitals, and it has been for a long time. 01:37:53.213 --> 01:37:54.834 [J Jay Couey]: So are there immortal genes? @@ -2545,10 +2546,10 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: But I would be willing to bet it's not. 01:38:16.042 --> 01:38:19.304 -[J Jay Couey]: Aliquoting is just when you have a sample like sugar +[J Jay Couey]: Aliquoting is just when you have a sample like sugar, 01:38:20.004 --> 01:38:28.226 -[J Jay Couey]: And then you decide that you're going to take a really big amount of sugar and you're going to put it into little teaspoon-sized samples so that you can conveniently get a teaspoon whenever you want to. +[J Jay Couey]: and then you decide that you're going to take a really big amount of sugar and you're going to put it into little teaspoon-sized samples so that you can conveniently get a teaspoon whenever you want to. 01:38:28.726 --> 01:38:37.508 [J Jay Couey]: And so aliquoting is something that they say they do when they have this dish full of a virus and then they make it into a lot of small samples and send it all around the world. @@ -2638,7 +2639,7 @@ WEBVTT [Charles Kovess]: Thanks, Albert. 01:39:47.620 --> 01:39:48.460 -[Charles Kovess]: Good job, Laz. +[Charles Kovess]: Good job. Lars. 01:39:51.141 --> 01:39:54.383 [Stephen Frost]: Charles, can I just ask, David, they have to be what, David? @@ -2707,7 +2708,7 @@ WEBVTT [David Rasnick]: Whereas normal human cells always have the exact same composition of 23 and 23, 23 from the mother, 23 from the father. 01:41:06.957 --> 01:41:09.359 -[David Rasnick]: Cancer cells never have a balance set. +[David Rasnick]: Cancer cells never have a balanced set. 01:41:09.819 --> 01:41:14.783 [David Rasnick]: And there's no two cancer cells that have the exact same complement of chromosomes. @@ -2725,7 +2726,7 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: Yeah. 01:41:22.088 --> 01:41:22.749 -[David Rasnick]: So if the, +[Stephen Frost]: So if the, 01:41:24.318 --> 01:41:29.285 [Stephen Frost]: So if these things are aneuploid, which you ended up saying, what does that mean? @@ -2734,10 +2735,10 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: Does that mean that they're disorganized or...? 01:41:31.588 --> 01:41:34.031 -[Stephen Frost]: They're unbalanced. +[Dave Rasnick]: They're unbalanced. 01:41:34.332 --> 01:41:36.034 -[Stephen Frost]: They're unbalanced. +[Dave Rasnick]: They're unbalanced. 01:41:37.035 --> 01:41:38.317 [Stephen Frost]: And what's the significance of that? @@ -2803,7 +2804,7 @@ WEBVTT [David Rasnick]: That's where it comes from. 01:42:48.676 --> 01:42:51.719 -[David Rasnick]: So David, why would they use aneuploid cells in your opinion? +[Stephen Frost]: So David, why would they use aneuploid cells in your opinion? 01:42:52.762 --> 01:42:54.464 [David Rasnick]: because you can get them commercially. @@ -2827,10 +2828,10 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: That's exactly what I was trying to get out of you. 01:43:21.910 --> 01:43:34.161 -[David Rasnick]: 99%, at least 99% of the published data using cell lines, they're aneuploid cell lines, and they have really basically nothing to do with reality. +[David Rasnick]: Yeah, 99%, at least 99% of the published data using cell lines, they're aneuploid cell lines, and they have really basically nothing to do with reality. 01:43:34.662 --> 01:43:35.502 -[David Rasnick]: So it's fraud then? +[Stephen Frost]: So it's fraud then? 01:43:36.844 --> 01:43:37.324 [David Rasnick]: Well, no. @@ -2839,7 +2840,7 @@ WEBVTT [David Rasnick]: Fraud implies that you consciously are trying to mislead. 01:43:41.789 --> 01:43:43.911 -[David Rasnick]: Well, maybe they are doing this stuff. +[Stephen Frost]: Well, maybe they are doing this stuff. 01:43:44.412 --> 01:43:46.434 [David Rasnick]: We're going on a little bit too long on this. @@ -2848,7 +2849,7 @@ WEBVTT [David Rasnick]: I mean, we're taking away from what I know. 01:43:49.218 --> 01:43:50.619 -[Stephen Frost]: I mean, no, David, I'm just trying to. +[Stephen Frost]: I mean, no, David, I'm just trying to... 01:43:52.505 --> 01:44:14.831 [Stephen Frost]: So in the public's mind, I'm just trying to get them to think about it, you know, so all the scientific work on cells is done with these aberrant cells, for lack of a better word, and so maybe all the conclusions that they get from these experiments, which are funded by NIH, I suppose, and they're all invalid and of no interest to humans. @@ -2860,10 +2861,10 @@ WEBVTT [David Rasnick]: I'd be happy to do it. 01:44:23.508 --> 01:44:26.249 -[David Rasnick]: Oh yes, can you remember what the topic is, though? +[Stephen Frost]: Oh yes, can you remember what the topic is, though? 01:44:26.309 --> 01:44:27.510 -[Stephen Frost]: Aneuploidy. +[David Rasnick]: Aneuploidy. 01:44:27.530 --> 01:44:29.451 [Stephen Frost]: You'll have to remind me. @@ -2875,7 +2876,7 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: So David, if you email me, that will remind me, OK? 01:44:35.733 --> 01:44:36.074 -[Stephen Frost]: OK. +[David Rasnick]: OK. 01:44:36.874 --> 01:44:37.134 [Stephen Frost]: Thanks. @@ -2884,13 +2885,13 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: That's great. 01:44:38.735 --> 01:44:39.795 -[Stephen Frost]: Sorry, everybody. +[David Rasnick]: Sorry, everybody. 01:44:40.736 --> 01:44:41.096 [Stephen Frost]: No, it's OK. 01:44:43.191 --> 01:44:46.854 -[Stephen Frost]: Otherwise we wouldn't have understood what Annie Broyd meant. +[Stephen Frost]: Otherwise we wouldn't have understood what aneuploid meant. 01:44:47.555 --> 01:44:48.375 [Stephen Frost]: Nobody would have understood. @@ -2911,10 +2912,10 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: So Lars, it's your go, as far as I can see. 01:45:01.258 --> 01:45:02.198 -[Stephen Frost]: Hello, Lars. +[J Jay Couey]: Hello, Lars. 01:45:02.238 --> 01:45:02.999 -[Lars Johansson]: Good to see you. +[J Jay Couey]: Good to see you. 01:45:03.019 --> 01:45:04.821 [Lars Johansson]: Hi, good to see you. @@ -2929,10 +2930,11 @@ WEBVTT [Lars Johansson]: It's fascinating to follow you. 01:45:16.830 --> 01:45:20.954 -[Lars Johansson]: I thought I would ask a question about... Sorry, Lars, whose speech was that? +[Lars Johansson]: I thought I would ask a question about... +[Stephen Frost]: Sorry, Lars, whose speech was that? 01:45:21.034 --> 01:45:21.715 -[Lars Johansson]: I'm so sorry. +[Stephen Fros]: I'm so sorry. 01:45:22.856 --> 01:45:27.382 [Lars Johansson]: JJ gave a speech in South Dakota that was very, very good. @@ -2956,37 +2958,37 @@ WEBVTT [Lars Johansson]: So I will ask you another question. 01:45:45.201 --> 01:46:05.739 -[Lars Johansson]: Are you familiar with Professor Freeman Dyson's criticism of the theory of evolution, where he refers to a Japanese evolutionary biologist called Muto Kimura, who talks about not natural selection, but random genetic drift. +[Lars Johansson]: Are you familiar with Professor Freeman Dyson's criticism of the theory of evolution, where he refers to a Japanese evolutionary biologist called Muto Kimura, who talks about not natural selection, but random genetic drift 01:46:06.239 --> 01:46:09.963 [Lars Johansson]: as being the engine of evolutionary change. 01:46:10.603 --> 01:46:11.184 -[Lars Johansson]: Have you seen that? +[Lars Johansson]: Have you seen that? I'll put one... 01:46:11.264 --> 01:46:14.807 -[J Jay Couey]: I'll put one... Please put a link in the chat. +[J Jay Couey]: Please put a link in the chat. 01:46:14.827 --> 01:46:16.048 [J Jay Couey]: I am not familiar with it. 01:46:16.148 --> 01:46:20.492 -[Lars Johansson]: Honestly, this is me, you know, just... It's actually very, very interesting. +[Lars Johansson]: Honestly, this is me, you know, just... 01:46:20.572 --> 01:46:22.354 -[Lars Johansson]: I don't understand it, but you will understand it. +[Lars Johansson]: It's actually very, very interesting. I don't understand it, but you will understand it. 01:46:22.774 --> 01:46:24.816 [Lars Johansson]: So I'll just put it in the chat. 01:46:24.836 --> 01:46:25.357 -[Lars Johansson]: Yeah, I got it. +[J Jay Couey]: Yeah, I got it. 01:46:26.037 --> 01:46:35.045 [Lars Johansson]: That's a popular article, but if you follow Professor Kimura, you will read some very interesting stuff, actually. 01:46:35.306 --> 01:46:35.766 -[Lars Johansson]: Very good. +[J Jay Couey]: Very good. 01:46:36.226 --> 01:46:37.147 [J Jay Couey]: Oh, this is wonderful. @@ -3001,7 +3003,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: He's a colleague of Robert Oppenheimer. 01:46:42.512 --> 01:46:43.113 -[J Jay Couey]: Oh, no. +[J Jay Couey]: Oh, no! 01:46:43.133 --> 01:46:46.516 [J Jay Couey]: It's exactly the same group of men. @@ -3052,7 +3054,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: that has gotten us from the mud puddle billions of years later to us. 01:48:12.429 --> 01:48:29.862 -[J Jay Couey]: And that, his reliant on the double-stranded structure and the consequences of the double-stranded existence of it, meaning it can be proofread, and single-stranded RNA by definition lacks that entirely. +[J Jay Couey]: And that, his reliance on the double-stranded structure and the consequences of the double-stranded existence of it, meaning it can be proofread, and single-stranded RNA by definition lacks that entirely. 01:48:31.109 --> 01:48:41.237 [J Jay Couey]: And so the whole foundation of the primacy of genes and DNA and Crick and Watson and all this stuff is based on the remarkable @@ -3091,7 +3093,7 @@ WEBVTT [Lars Johansson]: Will he understand? 01:49:44.757 --> 01:49:45.378 -[J Jay Couey]: Or will he +[Lars Johansso]: Or will he 01:49:46.889 --> 01:49:49.912 [J Jay Couey]: I would be happy if you would get me a Zoom meeting with him and you and me. @@ -3112,7 +3114,7 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: Get JJ, the professor from Karolinska, and you, you can be the moderator. 01:50:02.024 --> 01:50:03.986 -[Stephen Frost]: And we need to crack through this now. +[Lars Johansson]: And we need to crack through this now. 01:50:04.506 --> 01:50:06.667 [J Jay Couey]: Yeah, we really do need to crash through this. @@ -3160,13 +3162,13 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: Go and see him. 01:50:52.117 --> 01:50:52.957 -[Stephen Frost]: I tried to be nice. +[Lars Johansson]: I tried to be nice. 01:50:53.898 --> 01:50:54.819 [Lars Johansson]: Thank you, JJ. 01:50:54.939 --> 01:50:55.680 -[Lars Johansson]: You're very welcome. +[J Jay Couey]: You're very welcome. 01:50:59.975 --> 01:51:00.495 [Charles Kovess]: Very good. @@ -3226,7 +3228,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: Like, I really thought it was I was being the right kind of smart kid, you know, like, hey, I get this question a lot from people and I really want to be able to answer it. 01:53:07.547 --> 01:53:09.468 -[J Jay Couey]: And he couldn't give it a very good. +[J Jay Couey]: And he couldn't give it a a very good... 01:53:09.968 --> 01:53:11.149 [J Jay Couey]: He was not prepared for that. @@ -3268,7 +3270,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: Um, it is not entirely ridiculous. 01:54:12.529 --> 01:54:20.414 -[J Jay Couey]: And I don't, I don't necessarily disbelieve the idea that, that within the nucleus they were able to identify. +[J Jay Couey]: And I don't, I don't necessarily disbelieve the idea that, that within the nucleus they were able to identify 01:54:21.355 --> 01:54:31.943 [J Jay Couey]: molecules of DNA that seem to correspond to sequences that maybe can be related to proteins, and that central dogma in some way exists. @@ -3283,7 +3285,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: you know, hyper-pure genetic signals, or whatever system that we're looking in, to use that to generalize that, well, it's just a matter of figuring out where all the other moving parts are, and then basically free will will be eliminated, and there's no need to talk about God or spirituality, because we're just a bunch of spinning wheels and bubbling chemicals. 01:55:10.812 --> 01:55:17.357 -[J Jay Couey]: And that's the part that I think I was trapped in a lot of my +[J Jay Couey]: And that's the part that I think I was trapped in, a lot of my 01:55:18.522 --> 01:55:25.806 [J Jay Couey]: my colleagues are still trapped in because we all took the same lessons from the same people who already were trapped in it. @@ -3364,7 +3366,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And that's why I brought up that context of my friend in the Netherlands, because the ceremonial removal of some foreskin is very different to what they do to those babies where they remove it all. 01:58:13.568 --> 01:58:17.149 -[J Jay Couey]: There are a lot of kids that have scars from this, because you're not just +[J Jay Couey]: There are a lot of kids that have scars from this, because you're not just... 01:58:20.530 --> 01:58:28.676 [J Jay Couey]: Again, I don't want to be too graphic, but they're two very different amounts of tissue that are removed and what parts are left. @@ -3451,13 +3453,13 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: And she helped with David Kelly, but also worked on doctors for Assange as well. 02:00:08.208 --> 02:00:09.069 -[Stephen Frost]: so she understands. +[Stephen Frost]: So she understands. 02:00:13.372 --> 02:00:14.653 [Stephen Frost]: Oh, Tom, are you next? 02:00:15.034 --> 02:00:16.355 -[Stephen Frost]: I think Tom's next, yep. +[J Jay Couey]: I think Tom's next, yep. 02:00:16.375 --> 02:00:17.596 [Tom]: Yeah, I can go. @@ -3484,7 +3486,7 @@ WEBVTT [Tom]: So, uh, and maybe if you want, if you'd allow me to do a few things, maybe if you want to interrupt and just answer, uh, endocytosis that was introduced recently to me in a meeting, it just seemed like a good term. 02:01:05.154 --> 02:01:07.775 -[Tom]: Cause we need to like tell stories to people that. +[Tom]: Cause we need to like tell stories to people that you know 02:01:09.498 --> 02:01:18.731 [Tom]: that are uninformed and I think that's part of transfection and maybe you could hit on that. @@ -3505,19 +3507,21 @@ WEBVTT [Tom]: Oh, and then Michael Palmer speculated 02:01:50.157 --> 02:02:06.868 -[Tom]: about the formation of the casts in the you know the long stringy material they pull out of carotid arteries and so forth and he was simply speculating that it's a process of the that's triggered by the irritation of the endothelial +[Tom]: about the formation of the casts in the you know the long stringy material they pull out of carotid arteries and so forth and he was simply speculating that it's a process of the that's triggered by the irritation of the endothelial cells. 02:02:10.390 --> 02:02:19.497 -[Tom]: There was a woman that was doing the presentation and her name is Anna S. Ulreich. +[Tom]: There was a woman that was doing the presentation and she's a professor and her name is Anna S. Ulreich. 02:02:20.418 --> 02:02:24.000 -[Tom]: I believe Martina, who's here, also watched this. +[Tom]: I believe Martina, who's here, also watched this, 02:02:25.061 --> 02:02:45.467 -[Tom]: and she she agreed that that might be the case that and and this was in the context of discussing um i don't know if i mentioned the name but anna um mahalsia who believes that there's um blinky lights and nanobots and emf and +[Tom]: and she she agreed that that might be the case that and and this was in the context of discussing um i don't know if i mentioned the name but Anna Mahalsia who believes that there's um blinky lights and nanobots and emf and 02:02:46.287 --> 02:03:11.687 -[Tom]: intra-body communication between the nanopods and oh wow yeah okay that's a good one um yeah well wait let me just oh yeah go ahead look back and say that professor uh anna all right said no no this is just uh this is just crystallization and it's well documented and then after this everyone yeah why don't you comment i have maybe two more and that's it +[Tom]: intra-body communication between the nanopods and +[J Jay Couey]: oh wow yeah okay that's a good one um yeah... +[Tom]: Well wait let me just oh yeah go ahead loop back and say that professor uh Anna Ulreich said no no this is just uh this is just crystallization and it's well documented and then after this everyone yeah why don't you comment i have maybe two more and that's it. 02:03:13.308 --> 02:03:22.415 [J Jay Couey]: Endocytosis is a pretty general word for when two membranes merge and so it oftentimes refers to when a smaller vesicle is taken up by a cell. @@ -3538,13 +3542,15 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: I think it can be broadly applied. 02:03:47.785 --> 02:03:50.526 -[J Jay Couey]: Self-replicating RNA is... DNA. +[J Jay Couey]: Self-replicating RNA is... +[Tom]: DNA. 02:03:52.265 --> 02:03:56.589 [J Jay Couey]: Sorry, but the mRNA is actually what they're doing in Japan. 02:03:56.629 --> 02:03:59.051 -[J Jay Couey]: I don't think it's... Oh, okay. +[J Jay Couey]: I don't think it's... +[Tom]: Oh, okay. 02:03:59.271 --> 02:03:59.591 [J Jay Couey]: All right. @@ -3604,7 +3610,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: If anything, to me, quite honestly, I would say, Tom, that this almost seems to edify the idea that 02:06:52.910 --> 02:07:20.583 -[J Jay Couey]: They have known that there are self-replicating RNA signals that have a limited spectrum of coverage in our families or in our conspecific groups or in our classrooms that occasionally manifest in respiratory disease and other, you know, maybe what appear to be contagions, but the fidelity and endurance and ability for these things and signals to sustain themselves over thousands or millions or billions of people is ridiculous. +[J Jay Couey]: they have known that there are self-replicating RNA signals that have a limited spectrum of coverage in our families or in our conspecific groups or in our classrooms that occasionally manifest in respiratory disease and other, you know, maybe what appear to be contagions, but the fidelity and endurance and ability for these things and signals to sustain themselves over thousands or millions or billions of people is ridiculous. 02:07:21.543 --> 02:07:28.005 [J Jay Couey]: And so we're at a stage now where they have always been trying to play with this system. @@ -3640,7 +3646,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And so I have to believe that this is almost exclusively exaggeration, and that's why 02:08:38.991 --> 02:08:46.174 -[J Jay Couey]: You know, the details of it and the discussion of it is not really framed in what I feel like is any different than gain-of-function viruses. +[J Jay Couey]: you know, the details of it and the discussion of it is not really framed in what I feel like is any different than gain-of-function viruses. 02:08:46.974 --> 02:08:50.015 [J Jay Couey]: So Michael Palmer's saying it's an irritation of the endothelium. @@ -3664,10 +3670,10 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: Remember that, in case you have forgotten, 02:09:37.443 --> 02:09:45.440 -[J Jay Couey]: The transfection agents that are listed in all of the papers previous to the pandemic, one of the the. +[J Jay Couey]: the transfection agents that are listed in all of the papers previous to the pandemic, one of the the 02:09:47.148 --> 02:09:52.451 -[J Jay Couey]: The overarching themes was that where they went was then where they meant them to go. +[J Jay Couey]: the overarching themes was that where they went was then where they meant them to go. 02:09:52.951 --> 02:09:58.354 [J Jay Couey]: So when lipid nanoparticles first came out and they started using them, they realized that almost all of them went to the liver. @@ -3676,13 +3682,13 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: So the first thing they said was, hey, these are liver targeting lipid nanoparticles, even though it had nothing to do with targeting the liver, it's just where they mostly went. 02:10:07.119 --> 02:10:12.922 -[J Jay Couey]: And another place that they went that they said that they could be useful for was platelets. +[J Jay Couey]: And another place that they went that they said that they could be useful for was platelets, 02:10:14.063 --> 02:10:27.655 [J Jay Couey]: lipid nanoparticles go to platelets for some reason and many of them do and so that could also be a cell type that's irritated here and of course platelets being irritated would very quickly get you to the clotting mechanism. 02:10:27.695 --> 02:10:33.160 -[J Jay Couey]: So I think Sukrit Bhakti would be better to talk about that than me and then the nanobot light lady +[J Jay Couey]: So I think Sucharit Bhakti would be better to talk about that than me and then the nanobot light lady 02:10:33.860 --> 02:10:45.421 [J Jay Couey]: drove me bananas in the same way that a guy by the name of Kevin McCairn, who also put a bunch of stuff under a light microscope and then said he found or didn't find things. @@ -3691,7 +3697,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: The first and foremost thing to remember about light microscopy is that if you don't know how they did it, the chances of them seeing something that is significant versus something that's random, it's almost always going to be something random. 02:11:01.925 --> 02:11:08.228 -[J Jay Couey]: Light microscopy can make dust look interesting, it can make dirt look interesting, it can make dirt look alive. +[J Jay Couey]: Light microscopy can make dust look interesting, it can make dirt look interesting, it can make dirt look alive, 02:11:09.088 --> 02:11:23.148 [J Jay Couey]: and it can make dirt look sparkly, especially if the field of view is adjusted in such a way that things are coming in and out of the field of view, and the light source is angled in such a way that things can move in and out of the light source, you can have things look like they're sparkling. @@ -3730,7 +3736,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: I don't know what they call it anymore, but I don't know. 02:12:14.053 --> 02:12:15.014 -[J Jay Couey]: MAC address. +[Tom]: MAC address. 02:12:15.615 --> 02:12:16.976 [J Jay Couey]: Yeah, MAC address, that's right. @@ -3748,13 +3754,13 @@ WEBVTT [Tom]: And so he says, no graphene, and so does the professor Ulreich. 02:13:00.562 --> 02:13:26.559 -[Tom]: And then just test me on this my understanding of the nanolipid particles is that each molecule in the Each molecule is on the order of 2,000 atomic weight, you know, like on the periodic table atomic weight and that these molecules Have dipoles and they get vibrated and then they self assemble into the larger +[Tom]: And then just test me on this my understanding of the nanolipid particles is that each molecule in the...each molecule is on the order of 2,000 atomic weight, you know, like on the periodic table atomic weight and that these molecules Have dipoles and they get vibrated and then they self assemble into the larger 02:13:27.830 --> 02:13:33.416 [Tom]: 50 to nanometer Nanolipid particles and interleaved in there now. 02:13:33.656 --> 02:13:40.283 -[Tom]: I I heard it was in some cases I heard multiple strands of mRNA and other cases. +[Tom]: I heard it was in some cases I heard multiple strands of mRNA and other cases. 02:13:40.363 --> 02:13:46.089 [Tom]: I just heard one I don't know so there's that and then here's a thought experiment. @@ -3847,22 +3853,22 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: Are you happy with that, Tom? 02:16:39.512 --> 02:16:39.692 -[Stephen Frost]: Yeah. +[Tom]: Yeah. 02:16:41.133 --> 02:16:41.953 [Stephen Frost]: Very good. 02:16:42.894 --> 02:16:46.876 -[Stephen Frost]: Well, Craig Pardecouper had his hand up, but I'm not even sure he's on the call now. +[Stephen Frost]: Well, Craig Paardekooper had his hand up, but I'm not even sure he's on the call now. 02:16:51.075 --> 02:17:04.521 [Stephen Frost]: Yeah, so one of the things that was really impressed on us as children at school, JJ, was the discovery by Watson and Crick of the double helix and the structure of DNA 02:17:08.498 --> 02:17:27.888 -[J Jay Couey]: And now, in the context of what's happened in the last five years, I'm thinking, hmm, I wonder why that assumes such incredible... You should really look, if you chase down anything, what you ought to do is chase down the writings of Watson in his later life, because he almost feels like he's trying to admit it. +[J Jay Couey]: And now, in the context of what's happened in the last five years, I'm thinking, hmm, I wonder why that assumes such incredible... 02:17:28.735 --> 02:17:29.656 -[J Jay Couey]: like he regrets it. +[J Jay Couey]: You should really look, if you chase down anything, what you ought to do is chase down the writings of Watson in his later life, because he almost feels like he's trying to admit it, like he regrets it. 02:17:30.196 --> 02:17:31.837 [J Jay Couey]: Watson, in particular, I found. @@ -3910,7 +3916,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: Yeah, well, I think what it did was that it unfortunately gives credence to the idea that 02:18:58.446 --> 02:19:01.463 -[J Jay Couey]: Maybe we need to be governed this way, that we need to be bred. +[J Jay Couey]: maybe we need to be governed this way, that we need to be bred, 02:19:02.709 --> 02:19:04.951 [J Jay Couey]: and that it's worthwhile to do that. @@ -3937,7 +3943,7 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: What exactly was he afraid of? 02:20:00.151 --> 02:20:12.859 -[J Jay Couey]: Well, this idea that what I think Schrodinger is also hinting at, that all they had to do was find justification. +[J Jay Couey]: Well, this idea that what I think Schrodinger is also hinting at, that all they had to do was find justification 02:20:13.854 --> 02:20:20.879 [J Jay Couey]: to think that life boils down to physics and chemistry, and this was the justification that they needed. @@ -3955,13 +3961,13 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: I grew up in a world where it was okay not to care about God and I was weird because I was Catholic. 02:20:44.197 --> 02:20:48.241 -[J Jay Couey]: So Watson was upset that his research with Prick was going to lead to some people +[Stephen Frosty]: So Watson was upset that his research with Crick was going to lead to some people 02:20:55.026 --> 02:20:59.909 [Stephen Frost]: saying that life was just about chemistry and physics and nothing to do with God, is that what you're saying? 02:21:00.149 --> 02:21:18.119 -[J Jay Couey]: I am saying that and I'm saying that there were people in the Catholic Church who were waiting to say it, that wanted to say it, that essentially we had not reached the final divine form of humankind and that this was the revelation we needed. +[J Jay Couey]: I am saying that, and I'm saying that there were people in the Catholic Church who were waiting to say it, that wanted to say it, that essentially we had not reached the final divine form of humankind and that this was the revelation we needed. 02:21:18.139 --> 02:21:20.741 [J Jay Couey]: So why would people in the Catholic Church be saying that? @@ -3982,10 +3988,10 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: So I guess if you want to go down that path, that's really one of the things to realize, is that all the Catholics that think this are Jesuits, for better or for worse, that's it. 02:21:38.323 --> 02:21:41.344 -[J Jay Couey]: This is the King Jesuit, this Desjardins guy. +[J Jay Couey]: This is the King Jesuit, this de Chardin guy. 02:21:42.785 --> 02:21:43.806 -[J Jay Couey]: He's wrote in a lot of books. +[J Jay Couey]: He's quoted in a lot of books. 02:21:43.946 --> 02:21:45.487 [J Jay Couey]: One of them is called The Future of Man. @@ -4033,7 +4039,7 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: in their importance more at the expense of God. 02:23:09.040 --> 02:23:09.600 -[J Jay Couey]: Is that correct? +[Stephen Frost]: Is that correct? 02:23:10.821 --> 02:23:13.363 [J Jay Couey]: Maybe, or maybe people could be governed that way. @@ -4072,7 +4078,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: That's the argument that this guy has been making since the 30s, that 02:24:41.403 --> 02:24:54.485 -[J Jay Couey]: Then Julian Huxley published and then Julian Huxley went on to write this man and his future book like 10 years later with people like Hilary Koprowski and Herman Muller and all the same ideas are in there. +[J Jay Couey]: then Julian Huxley published and then Julian Huxley went on to write this Man and His Future book like 10 years later with people like Hilary Koprowski and Herman Muller and all the same ideas are in there. 02:24:54.525 --> 02:25:05.327 [J Jay Couey]: It's all the same concept of determinist biology that goes right down to the individual molecules and so we just, you know, people are not people. @@ -4081,13 +4087,14 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: And then Aldous Huxley comes along and writes 02:25:09.278 --> 02:25:11.599 -[Stephen Frost]: Brave New World, which is his brother, right? +[Stephen Frost]: Brave New World, +[J Jay Couey]: Which is his brother, right? 02:25:11.619 --> 02:25:12.659 -[Stephen Frost]: That's Julian's brother. +[j Jay Couey]: That's Julian's brother I mean it's... 02:25:12.699 --> 02:25:13.479 -[Stephen Frost]: I mean, it's correct. +[Stephen Frost]: Correct. 02:25:14.099 --> 02:25:20.441 [Stephen Frost]: And then he also writes Brave New World Revisited, about 30 years after the publication of Brave New World. @@ -4249,13 +4256,13 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: And I think it's because you've accepted this three-gear model. 02:30:46.559 --> 02:30:47.359 -[J Jay Couey]: You're frozen. +[Dave Collum]: You're frozen. 02:30:47.419 --> 02:30:49.000 -[J Jay Couey]: I don't know if it's my computer or yours. +[Dave Collum]: I don't know if it's my computer or yours. 02:30:49.020 --> 02:30:50.501 -[J Jay Couey]: My whole computer's frozen. +[Dave Collum]: My whole computer's frozen. 02:30:50.521 --> 02:30:52.621 [J Jay Couey]: You sound a lot like Brett Weinstein. @@ -4267,7 +4274,7 @@ WEBVTT [Dave Collum]: you're all still let me find another room. 02:30:58.593 --> 02:31:00.873 -[Dave Collum]: Oh, no, he missed. +J Jay Couey]: Oh, no, he missed. 02:31:01.914 --> 02:31:12.336 [Dave Collum]: No, I heard I heard no, I heard I heard basically a response when I was I was a genetics major, which is now a 45 year old antiquated degree. @@ -4348,7 +4355,7 @@ WEBVTT [Dave Collum]: Right. 02:33:25.776 --> 02:33:34.318 -[Dave Collum]: And so I happen to work in a field of chemistry that turned out almost every paper we ever published, I showed someone was wrong, but they were trying to get it right. +[Dave Collum]: And so I happen to work in a field of chemistry that turned out where almost every paper we ever published, I showed someone was wrong, but they were trying to get it right. 02:33:35.438 --> 02:33:39.219 [Dave Collum]: And they were not, they were not wrong in the sense that the whole thing had to be reversed. @@ -4378,10 +4385,10 @@ WEBVTT [Dave Collum]: And so I think there's things 02:34:34.295 --> 02:34:35.576 -[J Jay Couey]: It's a darny shape. +[J Jay Couey]: It's oh darn he shape. 02:34:35.636 --> 02:34:36.697 -[J Jay Couey]: He's rose again. +[J Jay Couey]: He froze again. 02:34:38.218 --> 02:34:44.762 [Dave Collum]: Um, I want to, Oh, possibly understand right now because we don't, I don't know. @@ -4432,7 +4439,7 @@ WEBVTT [Dave Collum]: So I don't have any problems with the things you guys talked about. 02:36:05.066 --> 02:36:09.388 -[Dave Collum]: the reluctance to look for nefarious things from the 1930s. +[Dave Collum]: I just, the reluctance to look for nefarious things from the 1930s. 02:36:09.408 --> 02:36:13.809 [Dave Collum]: And I don't think they were, you know, the circumcision. @@ -4444,10 +4451,10 @@ WEBVTT [Dave Collum]: This was completely new to me. 02:36:21.472 --> 02:36:34.237 -[Dave Collum]: The idea that you use foreskins to advantage doesn't negate the fact that it might actually be biologically, health-wise, an improvement than not have a foreskin. +[Dave Collum]: The idea that you use foreskins to advantage doesn't negate the fact that it might actually be biologically, health-wise, an improvement to not have a foreskin. 02:36:35.218 --> 02:36:41.104 -[Dave Collum]: And so you don't have to turn it into a, oh, those bastards, they're clipping kid six off because they want the foreskin. +[Dave Collum]: And so you don't have to turn it into a, oh, those bastards, they're clipping kid's dicks off because they want the foreskin. 02:36:41.784 --> 02:36:45.728 [Dave Collum]: It can be that someone said, hey, we could use that. @@ -4525,7 +4532,7 @@ WEBVTT [J Jay Couey]: Yep. 02:37:55.473 --> 02:37:57.194 -[J Jay Couey]: And I don't mean socially complex. +[Dave Collum]: And I don't mean socially complex. 02:37:58.078 --> 02:37:59.098 [J Jay Couey]: It's really crazy. @@ -4558,10 +4565,10 @@ WEBVTT [Stephen Frost]: very prominent positions in the new British government, and those three, the Daily Mail, 02:39:01.755 --> 02:39:04.077 -[Stephen Frost]: which is a well-known newspaper in the UK. +[Stephen Frost]: which is a well-known newspaper in the UK, 02:39:06.640 --> 02:39:24.256 -[Stephen Frost]: They've been aware for quite some time that all three of those people in prominent positions in the UK, I think it's a conflict of interest when you consider that children are being taught what they are being taught, apparently, in British schools. +[Stephen Frost]: they've been aware for quite some time that all three of those people in prominent positions in the UK, I think it's a conflict of interest when you consider that children are being taught what they are being taught, apparently, in British schools. 02:39:25.417 --> 02:39:27.479 [Stephen Frost]: All three of them have transgender children. @@ -4603,10 +4610,10 @@ WEBVTT [Dave Collum]: And I think there are fields of science where the fraud is much more prevalent than others. 02:40:44.683 --> 02:40:51.268 -[Dave Collum]: Those happen to be the fields where the stakes for committing the fraud are very high or it's easy. +[Dave Collum]: Those happen to be the fields where the stakes for committing the fraud are very high or it's easy, 02:40:51.308 --> 02:40:56.611 -[Dave Collum]: Like in biochem, you can win a Nobel Prize by faking stuff if you are clever enough to do it. +[Dave Collum]: like in biochem, you can win a Nobel Prize by faking stuff if you are clever enough to do it. 02:40:56.691 --> 02:40:56.812 [Dave Collum]: But @@ -4660,7 +4667,7 @@ WEBVTT [Dave Collum]: Yeah. 02:41:54.793 --> 02:41:56.894 -[J Jay Couey]: Can anybody creep and say I have to go? +[J Jay Couey]: Can I be a creep and say I have to go? 02:41:56.954 --> 02:41:57.434 [J Jay Couey]: I'm sorry. @@ -4678,7 +4685,7 @@ WEBVTT [Dave Collum]: See you on Twitter. 02:42:02.537 --> 02:42:04.698 -[Dave Collum]: Dave, you know each other, do you? +[Stephen Frost]: Dave, you know each other, do you? 02:42:04.718 --> 02:42:05.618 [J Jay Couey]: A little bit. @@ -4693,13 +4700,13 @@ WEBVTT [Dave Collum]: How's that? 02:42:11.421 --> 02:42:17.124 -[J Jay Couey]: I think he's heard me yell at Herod von den Bosch once about T-cells a long time ago. +[J Jay Couey]: I think he's heard me yell at Geert von den Bosch once about T-cells a long time ago. 02:42:17.164 --> 02:42:18.645 -[J Jay Couey]: That's how we cross paths first. +[J Jay Couey]: That's how we crossed paths first. 02:42:19.429 --> 02:42:19.749 -[Stephen Frost]: I am. +[Stephen Frost]: Ah yes. 02:42:20.050 --> 02:42:22.512 [Stephen Frost]: So you know he's a professor of chemistry then, Dave? @@ -4753,8 +4760,8 @@ WEBVTT [Dave Collum]: Thanks. 02:43:31.237 --> 02:43:32.163 -[Craig]: Until next time. +[J Jay Couey]: Until next time. 02:43:33.007 --> 02:43:33.389 -[Craig]: Very good. +[Dave Collum]: Very good.