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All right, as soon as we get somebody in the view in the chat, give me a feedback there

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on the synchronous of the video chip.

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The sink is now good according to Clarkson who said the sink was off before.

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Pamela says the sink is perfect now.

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Is that true?

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A little off is okay.

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A lot of people were saying it was off.

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Now we're saying it's on.

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Okay, we're on.

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So anyway, let's see here.

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Where is my friend Alexander?

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What's happening with him?

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I might have to send him a message, dude, dude, dude.

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I told him I'm live, so it'll put more pressure on him to join right away.

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Here we go.

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I'm just going to place one, just one little image here.

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I'll fade out and I'll do one quick one.

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He's on his way.

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Here we go.

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Got this figured out now.

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Very short introduction and we'll have Paul, Alexander on for a real quick take.

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Thanks again, Greg and Rodney and everybody who supports the stream.

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Like I said, I could not have gotten here without you guys.

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And it is really just a few people who took a risk on me, just a few people who stuck their

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neck out that got me this far and every one of you, thanks.

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Oh, I heard somebody.

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I heard somebody who I was supposed to push out and then here.

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Yes, sir.

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Yes, sir.

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Yeah, I'm Paul.

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Paul here.

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I'm Rachel.

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All right.

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So listen, I'm going to start my recording.

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You could do yours.

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I have a meeting starting around 12 or 5 or so, 12, 10.

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So I just want me to have a casual conversation of what we're trying to say.

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And if you don't mind, this time I want you to introduce yourself and a little bit of

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your background to my background quickly again.

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I want to just do our 50,000 foot few lines.

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And then I want us to get into what it is we are trying to see, which is that we want

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people to look behind the curtain a little bit and try to begin to think about what it

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has happened here, not necessarily why we'll focus on that in the future, but what?

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And I will show out to you how about this, each issue, meaning J virus in the beginning

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manufactured or natural J lockdowns work for didn't work J and I'll give you my view

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and then you give me your view.

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Perfect.

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How about that?

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Perfect.

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Good.

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So I'm going to start now recording in progress.

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Hi, folks.

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Once again, this is Dr. Paul Alexander and I have the pleasure of dealing with Jay Kui

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again.

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Jay, can I refer to you as Dr. Kui?

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You can also refer to me as Jay, whatever you feel comfortable with.

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You could always call me Paul.

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Okay, very good.

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We have developed a quick, nice friendship.

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I think you've stunned me in the sense of your academic depth and breadth and your grasp

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for all of the issues that we've been dealing with for three years, many in the Freedom

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Fighter group, many of the scientists and doctors that I work with, do not grasp what

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we've dealing with, like how you grasp it.

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And that's why I've come towards you because the more I listen to you, the more I read

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your work and I unpack it, the more I realize that this guy has studied this, well, you've

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brought a lot of years back on to the situation.

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So that gives you a very unique insight and I like your personality and your professionalism.

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So it is no problem for me to work with you and collaborate.

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So we started to talk, right, we did this presentation yesterday, full disclosure, we

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dealt with each other before, but we did an official presentation yesterday.

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I already put up on sub stack for your listeners, Alexander COVID news.

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You put it up on all of your portals.

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I put it up on Twitter, GAB, getter, every single channel that people who deal with me

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put it up on.

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And the response, Jay, is not shocking, but I didn't know that it would have been so well

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received that we are challenging people to think in a different way about this.

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And again, we are not saying, you are not saying people were wrong and we are not saying

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that people were right.

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We are saying that we were right and wrong for different reasons too.

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And okay, so I'm Dr. Paul Alexander, my background training is in epidemiology, evidence based

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medicine, some bioterrorism, et cetera, between Canada, University of Toronto, Oxford

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in England, McMaster in Canada.

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I did a certificate on the Donald Henderson at Johns Hopkins in bioterrorism.

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My work is in infectious disease society of America for about three years, training their

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doctors and scientists in how to develop clinical practice guidelines.

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I work for WHO, I work for the government of Canada as an epidemiologist, I work for

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the government of the United States as a pandemic advisor, and I work for the World Health Organization

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as a pandemic consultant advisor.

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Jay, can you give us your introduction with a little bit of background for the listeners?

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I'm sure I'd be happy to.

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So I'm a biologist by training from my bachelor's degree in Chicago.

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I was intending on being a doctor, and I applied for medical school after my bachelor's degree

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five years in a row, and I was always waitlisted on a couple schools in Chicago but never made

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it on to the actual roster.

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While I was doing that, I was a high school teacher, and I actually fell in love with

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teaching while I was treading water to try and apply for medical school every year.

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But the financial aspect of teaching got the best of me, and I actually made a lot more

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money as a bartender, if you can imagine.

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So I took a few years off as a bartender and was just kind of living a life of a 20-something

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year old in Chicago, and I made a few bad choices with regard to my responsibilities

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at the bar and the owner of the bar, let me go.

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So I was forced to find another job, and I actually applied for a job for somebody that

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had microscope experience and good hands at the University of Chicago, and a lifelong

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friend of mine, Colin Hoam had taught me patch-clamp physiology as a bartender.

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And he took me under his wing.

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He taught me a lot of methodology, but also a lot of philosophy about how to get my act

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together again and how to show up on time and this kind of thing.

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And working as a technician at the University of Chicago with him, I met a Harvard Mansfelder

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who after he became a professor in the Netherlands invited me to the Netherlands to do my PhD

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with him.

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And so in about a month, I had gone from not knowing really what I wanted to do to being

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offered this, you know, live in the Netherlands for a few years and learn biology and maybe

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become a university professor.

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And that led me to meeting my wife in the Netherlands, us moving to Norway and working

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with Edward and Mabert Moser, where I continued to develop these techniques in more advanced

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ways and then tried to go back to the Netherlands and get tenure where I didn't get enough money

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as a foreigner to stay.

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So my wife moved with me to Pittsburgh here in 2016, where I became a research assistant

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professor at the University of Pittsburgh, and I wasn't really able to scratch my teaching

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itch.

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I taught one class at Carnegie Mellon that was okay, but because I had to do all my laboratory

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stuff anyway, it wasn't really a nice side job.

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And so I started doing a YouTube videos on my bike ride because I was riding my bike

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from my house to the University of Pittsburgh every day, which was about nine miles.

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And this was a journal club where I would talk about a neuroscience paper on my bicycle.

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And when the COVID pandemic broke out, I did three bike rides that were basically COVID,

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not COVID, but coronavirus review bike rides where I talked about lots of papers and the

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technology and the molecular biology behind gain of function because I had worked at the

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University of Erasmus in the Netherlands when I was there in the early 2012 through 16.

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So long story short, I've been an academic biologist for a long time, and I have been

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a well-rounded one, and I've been often interested in transitioning to teaching full-time.

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I found creating videos quite fun, and once I started making videos about the coronavirus

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pandemic, I started to get into a lot of trouble.

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I got an email from the media corporation that's tied to the University of Pittsburgh,

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and UPMC, which said that they saw that I had made a comment in the Washington Times,

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and that they've seen my YouTube channel, and they reminded me that my expertise was

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neurobiology.

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So I took that as a pretty interesting email, and about three months later, they asked me

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to send my badge and keys in because they didn't think it was safe for me to continue

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coming to campus.

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So then I just kept teaching on the internet and kept trying to learn the stuff that I

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hadn't fully mastered, and that led to me eventually getting the attention of Robert

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F. Kennedy Jr. and Children's Health Defense, and so now I have a consulting relationship

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with them that allows me to make videos and also help them with figuring this out.

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So I'm helping them behind the scenes, and I'm also continuing to try and teach as much

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as I can online, and I contacted you to give me 15 minutes, and you gave me a little

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more time than that, and now here we are.

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Well, well, first of all, G is a fascinating story, and again, full disclosure, we talk

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a little bit more, and I'm going to know G a little bit more, too, and you know, sometimes

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you get very humble by people, and some people that come across initially as very unassuming

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in the sense that you don't really understand the depth and the breadth and where they're

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coming from.

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But as we have spoken, I realize that you have more to offer the world, not just the

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United States, but the world and what we're dealing with here, because our problem right

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now is we're trying to understand the what.

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We're going to get to why people did certain things, because that's very gossipy and nice

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too.

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We need to figure out what really happened here, and we have a lot of people in the

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freedom movement.

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You know, I work with the giants like Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Harvey Wish, and I even

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know Bobby Kennedy well, I didn't several interviews with him.

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I think he's one of our advocates out there, and doing a good job in terms of the childhood

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vaccines, and I did a nice interview with him a couple months ago that we're still trying

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to edit up to put it out there.

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The people who published my book also published his book, Sky Horse, so we have a lot of things

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in common.

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I'm glad that you're getting some support.

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I just want to see, because when I'm done, I'm putting this on sub-stack, I'm putting

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this on Getter, Gab, Twitter everywhere, that channel, what do you call telegram?

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And I would ask all my people, people who follow me, and look, I know this has become

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an incestuous thing, and everybody have their own people who follows you.

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I'm telling you, I'm telling you, support Jay.

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Find a way to support this guy, find his site, Jay, what's the, what's the address?

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It's giggleombiological.com, which is I know a pretty lame amount of words, but it's on

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the site they're watching now, and you really don't need to worry too much about that right

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now.

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I think we should focus on getting this message out.

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I really appreciate it.

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So listen, so from the beginning, Jay, people like myself, again, the people I'm working

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with, people like Avery Brinkley, Ramen Oskwe, we've been out there hammering away.

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We even have Dr. Naomi Wolf who joined the fall fighting against the ravages, particularly

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Dr. James Thorp, the damages of the mRNA vaccine on the developing child in utero, and the

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pregnant woman, et cetera.

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So we know we had a big problem.

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So from the beginning, we've looked at the science and we saw that no lockdown ever worked,

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no school closure, no mask mandate, nothing, no business closure, no shielding, every single

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COVID policy failed, and actually harmed and killed people.

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And then we were faced with this mRNA DNA platform gene injection, whether it be the

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hell you want to call it, that has caused more harm.

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And from my point of view, even when you look at the data Pfizer, Madonna submitted to the

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FDA, it was actually data that they should have never been given an EU based on a 0% absolute

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risk reduction.

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So no benefit, yet here we are.

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And here's what I want to do, because we did a nice tour, it was actually 2015 minutes,

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I put it out, but we're going to do something, I believe, this Sunday again.

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But I wanted to just be talk, talk, talk with you.

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I'm going to say each issue, I'm going to give you quick and a sentence, my view, and

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I want you of you, because my role now is there are a lot of people parading out there

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who are not doing what you're doing.

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I want to help showcase you, because you have a lot, a lot of common sense and a lot

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of scientific depth.

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The people need to listen, at least as we say, look behind the curtain or below the rock,

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so the phone we are thinking, and you've provoking people into very sophisticated thought now.

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So question, my view on the virus in the beginning, I knew, I felt from different people I've

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spoken to, some we wouldn't name here for now, but I have felt that this always was

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some sort of lab manufactured entity, number one.

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I did feel that it was disposed and it could not be a point source, dispersion, it had

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to be based on what we are seeing, a multiple sort of a release.

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I believe multiple labs always felt, and what I also believe is that this is function

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in G, I'm going to use the term, many people keep writing me and calling me and say, Paul,

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you know, in your session, you should step back from using that term, still use the term

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vaccine or geneogen, no, I'm going to say, I believe it is functioning as a bioweapon.

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So can you tell us your view as the lab, multiple, multiple release bioweapon?

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Tell us what you think.

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If I follow the tenant that got me this far, it is that we have to stick to the biology

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we can know for sure.

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And in that case, the reason why I believe it has to be a laboratory manufactured clone

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is because the molecular signal that we are told was found in all these disparate places

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in the world could not have been created by a number of infected people landing in these

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places as would be expected from a point release.

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The best case scenario couldn't produce this, but how it exactly occurred, like how it was

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done is going to be a lot harder to show because we can't prove the molecular, the presence

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of the molecular signature being the cause of the symptomology that's correlating with

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it.

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Now, what I'm saying is, again, that these tests aren't capable of doing that, even though

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the correlation is very high in Italy and in Washington and New York at the beginning

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with the same kind of severe symptoms, we should be very careful not to overextend and

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say that, well, it has to be this or it has to be that.

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The only thing we really need to say for sure is that a natural virus escaping from

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a building or infecting a lab worker or even infecting a hundred lab workers is not capable

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of generating a three year pandemic.

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The only way that we could get this uniform of a signal in this many people simultaneously

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is some application of a synthetic agent.

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That's all I can.

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That's about as far as I would go.

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Synthetic agent.

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Exactly.

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As in the sense of a purified viral clone, that's what I mean by a synthetic agent.

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Yes.

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So we're talking about something man made.

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Can you in two or three sentences tell the viewer, I understand what the clone is and

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what we're talking about here in terms of taking the mRNA to DNA, making multiple copies,

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et cetera, extracting the mRNA and can you, because I realize you have a certain expertise

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in this area also, tell the viewer what you mean by clone.

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In the wild RNA viruses exist as an assortment of closely related but non-identical genomes.

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In other words, the story that they've told you about variants is actually a gross oversimplification

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of what's happening.

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If there is a viral entity which is infecting you, it makes imperfect copies of itself and

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as a result, you have to make an approximation of what all that genetic material adds up

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to and that's what they call a viral sequence.

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In the wild, when they look for coronaviruses in bats or when they look for coronaviruses

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in pangolins, that's what they're looking for.

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They're looking for a genetic shadow which they can reassemble and once they reassemble

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it into this genome, in order for them to study it usefully in the laboratory, they need

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to use reverse genetics to convert it to DNA so that they can amplify it into enough copies

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so that they can use it in the laboratory as something that will cause plaque assays

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or cause an animal to get sick.

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The only way that they've been able to make coronaviruses and in fact many other RNA viruses

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tractable from a laboratory perspective is to use reverse genetics to convert the RNA

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sequence that they can find in the wild into a DNA molecule so that they can make enough

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of it.

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Correct, so in other words, in other words, when you look at it from that point of view,

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I would say then that I want to jump forward because there are a couple of questions I

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want us on record.

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PCR tests, my own analysis, I remember when I was in the Trump administration, Dr. Atlas

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and me, we had collaborated to produce, try to understand what would be cycle thresholds

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and the limits in terms of finding infectious, cultural, viable virus.

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From my point of view, my definition of that means virus that could infect you and cause

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pathology and we found when we looked at the literature that our own 24 to 25 cycles with

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the RTPCR test was the limit.

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Of that, you are now talking about non-infectious, non-lethal pathogen and that was what was

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omitted in the PCR test that we did not know the cycle threshold, we won't do that and

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more importantly, the reality about it is that we are not saying that when you get a

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positive test, when we use it to enforce positive, I don't necessarily mean that it is wrong,

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false positive that you are actually positive, et cetera, but you're not positive when they're

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saying you are positive.

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What we are saying is it is not that particular coronavirus now or it is not detecting positivity

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today, you were infected with the likely coronavirus in the past.

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What is your view on the PCR test?

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I've been trying to come up with a number of different analogies.

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There are multiple ways that the PCR test can result in a bad answer and the question

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is did they manipulate the use of it or the application of it to increase the false positives,

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which are the ones that would help any pandemic go from controllable to a hypothetical emergency.

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From my perspective, there's two ways they can do it.

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The first one is the obvious one that everybody understands, which is that they could cycle

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it long enough so that the very process itself becomes erroneous, it generates the fluorescence

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in some other erroneous way and reading the diagnostic, you get a fluorescence signal so

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you say it's positive, but if you were to ever look at that sample, you would find that

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the amplicons that were amplified would be the incorrect ones, but they don't have

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that built into this system so once the test is glowing, they just say it's a positive

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and that's the problem with cycling to 55 cycles or even 45 cycles is way too far.

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On the background of that is this implication that PCR is so good and the background is

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composed of nothing that could also be amplified and that's an illusion because most coronaviruses

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at the end protein and the RNA dependent RNA polymerase have a homologous protein there.

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So if you're looking for three amplicons, the spike, the RNA dependent polymerase and

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the end protein, most if not all coronaviruses that we would ever study in nature will have

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two of those proteins homologous and the high likelihood of testing positive at those

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two amplicons just like SARS-CoV-2 is purported to do so.

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So on that background it really depends on whether you require the spike or whether you

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accept two out of the three as being a positive which is a lot of these products did and in

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that case any coronavirus in the background could contribute to the overall appearance

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of the spread of this novel pathogen when in reality the test is unable to separate

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the novelty from the background except for on one protein, this spike.

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Yes, I like that explanation because people like more call on myself we had written and

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we had all due day one.

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Maybe two to three weeks out of the box early in 2020 that this idea of asymptomatic transmission.

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I want to use the word that it was a lie I would say it was a falsehood and we were

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looking at papers out of China made well also a good paper in JAMA that showed the term

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that the asymptomatic transmission was not a real viable issue and they were using that

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to scare the population into lockdown and just paranoia similar to the we were even looking

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at recurrent infections pre-omocron era and we were not finding bonafide recurrent infections

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now that is pre-omocron we understand that almost a different animal you know with enough

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changes on the antigen etc all of those mutations so it's like your immune system is seen something

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different but but again that's getting too much into all biochemistry right now we are

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still talking about what so so I don't want people to get our interview and our discussions

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that oh my god dr. Alexander these guys were working on early treatment these guys are the

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gurus of early treatment what are they trying to say when he says nothing worked well from

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my point of view if what we are trying to table up is that is that that that the pathology

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really was from the initial release the initial exposure particularly vulnerable people to

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the clone that that from there what was released behaved as it would as a as a as as a normal

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pathogen and stabilize and become milder in the environment and using your analogy a study and

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your explanation less purity or less concentration that really and truly this COVID gene injection

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from all of those people involved in its development they must have known that this could not have

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worked this my point is how I'm looking at it because because this was so benign to begin with

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and that and that makes sense when you look at the Pfizer Moderna data that they could only find

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an absolute benefit of less than one percent because how could you find a decrease when the

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baseline risk in your control group is almost zero you can't find less than zero you will have

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to actually sample the entire world that's the issue so so your view on that well I agree and I

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think that the I think that the main theater that they knew they were going to play from the very

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beginning was that the effectiveness of the drug or the effectiveness of the therapeutic would be

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based largely on the appearance of antibodies that's why they stressed it so early there was

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even a song on Saturday Night Live where they said i-m-n-u-n-i-t-y that's what I got bodies

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anti it was part of a song and they did it all over on late night television so that even when

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the numbers came out and people would object and say well the absolute risk was almost minuscule

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you're using relative risk reduction just to make it sound better this is lame they could say

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well look we've got this beautiful antibody signal I mean it's extraordinary and they sold that

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is sold it on that every time to the FDA and and to these these committees that approve their

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their EUA so to me again it just kind of all goes along with this idea that there was a waiting

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a waiting plan which which was going to do this shift into into focusing on mRNA based

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vaccination and they they went hard for a while and RSV and flu they've backed off a lot now and I

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think that's because they're kind of off-script if we would have allowed them to we would already be

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RSV flu and COVID RNA shots for everybody if we if if people weren't fighting back I'm pretty sure

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that we're pretty far off script at this point and that's what makes it so exciting

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oh did you lock up

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shoot what happened they interfered with us am I still streaming darn it

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what happened I think it fools oh there you go there you go you're back now

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yeah about the RSV you got to the RSV yeah so I think if we would not have pushed back last year

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there were already plans to have an RSV a flu and a pneumonia mRNA vaccine there's an mRNA

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vaccine in the works for shingles and I think right now they're they're stalling back a little bit

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their original plan was to bowl us over I mean and and and this this pivot was going to be

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something that they sold as wow isn't it great how we just stumbled into this new technology and

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it was right there ready and waiting for us so that we are really off-script for them I think

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right now and so we have to keep this momentum going exactly and that's why people like you I

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mean we've been we've been willing and I've realized you were doing serious lifting behind the scenes

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and the reality about it is when we look at the mRNA technology itself that was devastating

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and the lipid nanoparticle I separated to the mRNA technology that goes into the lipid nanoparticle

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both of them to me are when you look at the science are very toxic and together as this complex

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it is causing serious you look I just put a paper on substack that showed the term we are finding

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two papers one is that the messenger RNA is reversed transcribed they looked at some human

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liver cells it's reversed transcribed back into DNA in as quick as six hours that was stunning

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that's a serious serious issue if so what do you think of that um kevin mccernan has also shown

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though that these shots are at least the bivalent shot is contaminated with the cDNA

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plasmid that they use to generate the RNA so they have to make a cDNA clone of the spike protein

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in order to generate the mRNA that they put in the shot but they weren't able to separate the cDNA

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from the mRNA and so it's about 10 micrograms for every 60 micrograms of mRNA there's 10 micrograms

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of the cDNA which includes these are kind of big terms but they include the origin of replication

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in bacteria that was used to amplify the cDNA into many copies and they also include a cassette

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for um resistance to the antibiotic that the bacteria was used so it may be that that paper is

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mistaken that the RNA isn't getting reversed transcribed but this circular DNA is just inserting

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directly and they couldn't tell the difference because they didn't realize there was DNA in the

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shot when they made that paper so I would suggest that those authors probably have to go back and

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look yeah and just for the audience and who the viewers are plasmids are circular DNA

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is circular DNA yeah circular DNA yes that's correct correct so listen I want to end this show because

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I have another hard interview coming up yes but I wanted because I know me and you and your group

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and other people I'm going to get onto that call we are talking on Sunday we're going to pin

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long time so I want a lot of people to follow but I wanted to say this that um on the issue of

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early treatment I am trying to say based on what we are talking about here is that early treatment

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had its role and has its role and is actually critical um but let's see if we could just do a

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sentence or two sort of we could try to make those who are listening understand what you're

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saying in other words this is my view that the potency of early treatment has more to do with its

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role in severe more critical illness more let's say the initial release if you're going with the

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multiple release theory the initial release so the more severe pathological clone that caused

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more severe illness that is where the early treatment functioned and was ideal in other words

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if I'm understanding what we are trying to say on our discussion is that with the mild illness

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it is very difficult for these therapeutics to actually have a beneficial effect am I correct

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I think that that that to say that they can't have a beneficial effect would be extending it too

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far but to say that yes there is much more opportunity for them to have effect on a clone

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infection than what I imagine a natural infection would be can I clarify one thing with a picture

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here yes please so I'm gonna we are not we are not saying I am look I have right the papers I stand

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with people like makala zalenko reach etc I knew the potency of early treatment it does it works

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but the question is the question is to extent of how right people were and how wrong

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where does it actually in other words what we are saying and I want to see that photo that thing

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you're driving what we are saying is what we have done here is early treatment has really shown the

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world the importance of using off-label repurpose cheaper effective existing antivirals for respiratory

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type illnesses etc and has shown us that we have to move faster away from reliance on farmer

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so this is not a matter of right or wrong this is a matter of how we could make this early treatment

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the most optimal modality and how we could from the work that you are doing too from what we are

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discussing now make sure that it is used the best way it can so can you yes and so I think that

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that's a great segue the way that I would describe it best and you might have inspired this in me

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is that all of the doctors who have had a cognitive model of what has happened during the pandemic

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have had some form of model in their head about a spreading pathogen and how the presence of the

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pathogen can be or the the pathology caused by the pathogen can be mitigated with hydroxychloroquine

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or ivermectin etc yes what we need to do is now if we if we all agree that maybe we need a new model

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yes what happened we do then what we also need to do is step back and think okay so what did we

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really change in 2020 was it really only that some people were put on ventilators and had remdesivir

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and other people had hydroxychloroquine or was it some people were put on ventilators

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were given remdesivir were prevented from having antibiotics and prevented from having steroids

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while the people that were being treated by people like heroes like Dr. Peter McCullough were given

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hydroxychloroquine azithromycin and I can't say all of what they were given because it's a long list

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but we shouldn't discount the fact that we don't know for sure which of those lists

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was working for what reason because the source of this danger evolved yes it wasn't one constant

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novel pathogen but it evolved because the biology was different than what we were told on television

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so we all need to recalculate a little bit and yes and and I think early treatment is one of those

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things that worked but maybe not for the mechanistic reasons that we have in our head

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that's and I think yes beautiful and I think that's why in our discussion yesterday talks we've

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been having is that we want now people like the McCulloughs and the rich and these types to now

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because there are these gurus and leaders that transcend now elevate even further and let's help

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us and practice properly because we know good was done here where you mentioned two things ventilators

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let me make sure i'm on record those two things kill people you know that right yes absolutely

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there's still being used i mean remdesivir is still being used to push people to make them

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sicker and can often lead to them being at a ventilator because it decreases kidney function

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which increases the amount of liquid in the lungs yes yes boy j you should have been with us on

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stage on those talks with me and McCullough and rich and all of us you should have been there listen

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shortest diagram you have um i just wanted to point out that um if i can switch to this one

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and that i'm going to switch to this one now you should be able to see it um it's important to

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remember that when the clone was released it had the only unique thing about it was the spike

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protein so there's two possibilities the first one is of course that it could be a clone and the

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concentration of the clone itself is what matters most and that's what i've been trying to sell to

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you in the background that it can take any virus and make it pure enough people would get sick

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but there is the added possibility because berry and all the coronavirus people have told us that

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if you have a co-infection with two different coronaviruses they can exchange genes so if the

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spike protein is a source of pathology by itself and they released a clone it would be expected

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that anybody that had other coronaviruses in their system could have a reassortment where

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this toxic spike protein could be floating around in the genome of other coronaviruses that got it

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taken into their genome during recombination events of the clone and it's important to note

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that the clone itself if i put this back up and then turn you on if the clone itself was released

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in sufficient quantities it would be expected to recombine with the with the coronaviruses in

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the background so that means that it's possible that the way that the clone sort of died away

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has a component of it which is the spike protein gene sort of filtering out into the background

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so that you would see not only an initial wave of extremely nasty high virus load

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high molecular signal wherever you released it but then going away from there there really

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would be a signal where people were kind of getting sick and it seemed to be contagious

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and it seemed to have some extra qualities that either produced like an allergic reaction in

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people and this kind of thing that again it made doctors were not seeing ghosts they were

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seeing something but we need to understand why it wasn't a uniform set of symptoms correlating

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with a uniform positivity it never had that aspect of a normal what someone would expect

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a cartoon pathogen and this i think is the best explanation for it but i just wanted to throw

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that extra variable in there because that's also part of the virology we shouldn't ignore

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so in simple terms from your schematic we're looking at what the purity or concentration

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then yeah that's the key it always is and just a question of then how do we model the decay away

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but the decay away will also always be a real exponential because again you're starting from

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purity that can't be sustained so so i i think the unique message out of this is that um

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what we need is we not again if you go to the early treatment papers i am a senior or a total

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second or two behind my collar zalenko is a senior scientist so i have been involved so i am standing

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by the early treatment the point though is you are saying that um we need to figure out what

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how did this really work which is a patient set that is really work on etc and which components

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because antibiotics as an example and i mean you and me discuss this pneumonias are serious

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complication especially for severely uh covid patients antibiotics may have played because

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remember j we spoke about this yesterday i was talking to you about the antiviral properties

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and you reminded me about the anti-inflammatory properties of antibiotics so it didn't just

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function as an antibacterial antimicrobial it is both anti-inflammatory and etc so antiviral i mean

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antibiotics like doxycycline as a term icing etc so we we need to have an honest discussion and everybody

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what dang it this free zoom meeting has ended you shite head why did he use a free zoom meeting

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so i want to i want to um i want to i'm gonna i'm gonna why is this not signed in

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i'm just he can just use my meeting

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i'm gonna do a new meeting and just see if uh see if he shows up

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oh he's calling in let's just call in um i'm gonna close zoom come on come on come on

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hello sir jim jesica saw because it was supposed to be for 15 minutes but listen

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i have to go to another meeting now i'm going to interview karen she's going to interview me

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karen king son i want to get you to talk with her but another day bugger son this interview the way

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i set it up i wanted to bring you slap dab into the middle of early treatment now the way i asked

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you those questions and you responded you are now going to be a central player how we gonna talk

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and that was the purpose of this

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i'm very i'm very excited so let me just say that we have to talk about long covid and we have to

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talk about people who know about extended hospital stays or extended ventilation stays

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that have led to chronic fatigue syndrome before the pandemic so that we can really talk about

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what to what extent long covid has to do with the virus versus hospitalization and other things

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absolutely so everything you want to talk about going for but this interview actually is going

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to now set the stage and i love it so we got cut off but i made sure you said what you needed to

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say and i knew what i needed you to say because i want to table you and get you palatable to all

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the early treatment and you said you write rules about my car on these people they're not going

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to be a person and and and we had praise beautiful so i'm gonna talk to you later because i'm going

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to not integrate i'm gonna send you i'm gonna send you my uh my zoom link to rumble and whatever

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and you put this out massively very good see you soon take what because

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we're not messing around ladies and gentlemen nay we ain't playing anymore we ain't playing

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anymore fools that's for sure thank you very much for joining me i'm gonna take um

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i'm gonna take a break here uh figure out what i'm gonna do with my afternoon

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i might take um the afternoon off i was gonna do a throwback thursday so maybe we'll watch the

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second half of that i don't know but i gotta i gotta read a line it looks like mosquito says i

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gotta read a lot more about hydroxychloroquine that's fine i'm totally done with the fact that

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hydroxychloroquine could be useful i just want to make sure that we evaluate everything

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with eyes wide open um and give everybody an opportunity to be a part of this so

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um just keep sharing it man i i can't tell you how excited i am so thank you very much

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i'm gonna use twitter for star trek star trek is coming i swear i'm gonna do it in like no time

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um i'm just super nervous now that it's finally gonna happen star trek is ready

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this was ready this is what we needed um it's definitely happening garden variety human it's

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definitely it's definitely happening i know i'm back on twitter i just haven't tweeted yet

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thanks a lot for being here guys

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you