[U.Alschner]: broke out I did a health show which was not mainstream then but it was nearly as you know critical or whatever if you want to call it as it is now where I have done the past five years or four and a half years
[U.Alschner]: wrote positively about ivermectin and hdq and and those guys and the fauci emails and whatever and then until i understood that you had something to tell me about this which made me really nervous and that was when we met after the other now um so this is this uh is the shows due to air
[U.Alschner]: As I wrote to you, you are someone with extremely, at least to my perspective, extremely respectful biography, working in the lab of, you know, Nobel laureates and stuff which is relevant in this area for the audience I'm getting at.
[U.Alschner]: Speaking off the top of my head, but anyway, so these three things are what I really would like to have an expert, so a professional, give his arguments for.
[U.Alschner]: upstack which again as i said has some reach so i'm i'm aware that we we may address stuff which we discussed the other day or yesterday on on signal um which is something which yeah starts to get close to where it's um uh you know beginning to be uh
[U.Alschner]: relevant, so to speak, on my end, and I'm prepared to do that, since the situation is so bad that it is not about comfort anymore, it is about doing what even humanity expects me to do at this point, and I don't say this very lightly.
[J.Couey]: If you want to direct me in the sense of making your edits easier, you can use a word, whatever word you want, like cut, and then we'll pause for a second, and then you can tell me what you want me to start with again.
[J.Couey]: Otherwise, I can keep talking and I trust you completely if you just need to edit things out or leave complete segments out of your radio thing, that's fine too.
[J.Couey]: At this point, I trust that some of the bigger points will get there and that's all that matters because these bigger points are what we need the doctors and the academic biologists and the high school biology teachers to start thinking about.
[U.Alschner]: putting out false information, which I could then show that I'm not because I was quoting a scientist and that's why I got back on again.
[U.Alschner]: But I'm aware that they are still, they are very, they are observing what we do and therefore, if I am asked to provide the original audio, then this would have to be provided by me.
[U.Alschner]: You can say what you want, except that, I mean, not except, but what I'm trying to show to my audience is that there is a, you know, a scientist with a pedigree who has been kicked out, but who still knows what he's talking about.
[U.Alschner]: This is also one thing which I really like about you, that you are aware that what you do may be ignorant or maybe not recognizing stuff which is important,
[U.Alschner]: But no one is doing it and that's why I am so intrigued by your work and that's why I have been following almost everything which you have been putting out for now almost two years.
[U.Alschner]: And that's my reason why I will not... I mean I've had people come to me, become paid subscribers to my sub stack and then say my J's are not correct and I said sorry.
[J.Couey]: If there is some objective, independent resistance to whatever is happening here, there are so very, very few people that really are playing like for keeps.
[U.Alschner]: So, Jay, then, Dr. Cooley, we have gotten introduced via work which you and I have been doing on a project for Meera Sharaf, Holocaust survivor.
[U.Alschner]: for the radio show Gesunde Stunde, which means healthy hour, an interview about the concerns you have pertaining to the crisis, because a crisis is whatever,
[U.Alschner]: But would you please tell my audience a bit of your background as to how it came to be that you are in biology and you were working, eventually working in the laboratories of
[U.Alschner]: people who earned the Nobel Prize which is something where not many people get to work and you were also later you were on route to becoming a professor yourself I mean you were a professor but not tenured yet I understand but please explain what was your way into biology and what did you do?
[J.Couey]: I never really got into the dinosaurs because they weren't, you know, you couldn't play with them and you can't raise them and you can't catch them.
[J.Couey]: I think it was already when I was 14 years old, because I wanted to be a veterinarian, actually, after reading All Creatures Great and Small.
[J.Couey]: So then I bartended for a couple of years until I lost my job for another long story that really just had to do with not respecting the idea that this guy had given me the keys to his business, and I just took a night off.
[J.Couey]: the highest level of methodology that he was using there, which at the time was a recently awarded Nobel Prize for single cell recordings of ion channels in membranes and patch clamp recordings.
[J.Couey]: And so that technique became the way that we studied all of these channels and then people were cloning channels And and I started working for a guy at the University of Chicago who was doing in vitro measurements of potassium channels using some of these models and so I learned all these techniques of cell culture and gene expression in cell culture and biophysics of ion channels and all the recordings and how to do it and the weird part was is that the microscope part and the lab part and all of the
[J.Couey]: And I was fixing people's post-docs projects by just, you know, fixing what they were doing wrong or figuring out how their noise went away or what they plugged in wrong.
[J.Couey]: I actually started to get recruited to do a graduate project at the University of Chicago, but there was this guy from the Netherlands who was there.
[J.Couey]: And we became friends in the off time between labs and the way that the labs were organized, you could mingle with a lot of other workers from a lot of other labs because the wet areas were all intertwined.
[J.Couey]: And I was riding the train from the north side of Chicago to the south side of Chicago in the wintertime, right after 9-11, and I was putting on the chair of every train, of every chair that was open in the train.
[J.Couey]: There's this little pocket in my brain and most people's brain for foreign language and it started to replace Dutch and then I gave up on Norwegian.
[J.Couey]: Four years of work in Rotterdam at the Erasmus MC, very ridiculously coincidental with all of this controversy with the bird flu, because actually we moved to the Netherlands in 2012, which is like a year later, or the year that
[J.Couey]: that Fauchier was doing all that stuff and all I really remember from it was is that my PI at the time made jokes that above us they're making you know bioweapons and that they're giving a seminar we should go listen to it and we went to a seminar together and heck if I know I think it was just a seminar about what they did and talking about how what it's not and that we don't have to worry that it's gonna get away or something like that but
[J.Couey]: I just remember that I was, this was a joke in the elevator at some point in my early time in this lab, and then I never really thought about it again.
[J.Couey]: It wasn't something that I was aware of, because again, I'm just thinking that all of these people in these buildings are working in earnest, and they're just producing knowledge, and there's no reason to question any of it.
[J.Couey]: It's just got to build on it, you know, because you work on your thing, they work on their thing, and you work in earnest, and they work in earnest, right?
[J.Couey]: And when I finally got an interview, I think it was the second time I submitted for one of these bigger Dutch grants that are kind of the similar thing.
[J.Couey]: A great culmination of my ideas and proposals and combination of my skills and insight was not fundable because it didn't contain the level of risk that this grant required.
[J.Couey]: I left very upset, but I came back to the United States really fired up because we got off the plane and it was Pittsburgh and I had never been here.
[J.Couey]: And so we were at the University of Pittsburgh for 12, 13, 14, 15, or sorry, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, almost five years, four years before the pandemic started.
[J.Couey]: It was interesting too, because what also factored into that, just to tell you how crazy it is, at the beginning of the pandemic, he started wearing three masks really early.
[J.Couey]: And he was a guy who got promoted during my time there to captain, although he wasn't active anymore, and actually was at some point right before or right during the start of the pandemic was threatened to be shipped to Africa to work on some kind of anti-pirate thing.
[J.Couey]: and so this guy had a Chinese wife who Had a postdoc he met her at at Genelia and then they came to Pittsburgh and she had a postdoc that was crap at the University of Pittsburgh and then just dropped out of science and started working for McKinsey and This was also at the like the start of the pandemic or a year before the pandemic and so I'm working for a Navy sub captain
[J.Couey]: who has a wife who works at McKinsey, and at the start of the pandemic, before anybody else was really serious about masks, he was wearing three.
[J.Couey]: And so for me, that was also kind of computing in my machinery, like, okay, this guy has security clearance that sometimes he locks his door for, and he's wearing three masks.
[J.Couey]: I don't think he's especially sophisticated from the perspective of being a biologist his whole life and having an intuition about how things work that he's constantly checked
[J.Couey]: So he was working on being an anatomy professor as a fallback and learning all the anatomy in his spare time because he was working at a med school and anatomy professors have jobs.
[J.Couey]: I fought tooth and nail to try and get his perspective to change a little bit and for him to realize that what I was doing on my bike was real and that it was important and that thinking about this stuff we need to be careful because you know this
[U.Alschner]: is something which is relevant in this context because you started a podcast on your bike, JC on a Bike, and I'm assuming that riding bike is something which you took up in Holland, because as we Germans know, Holland is famous for their conditions for
[U.Alschner]: But so during this start of what is now called the pandemic you had, if I'm right, you had concerns about what was going on as you started to explain.
[U.Alschner]: Could you elaborate on this, particularly to the level of, I mean, transfection is something which you were then beginning to warn people about in terms of these discussed countermeasures.
[J.Couey]: And so the incredulous nature that some of the faculty members reacted with when I would say, well, have you ever considered the possibility that it's a lab leak?
[J.Couey]: the word that comes to my mind, although there might not be a good German word for it, it seems to jive with my whole interpretation of the situation was the behavior of my boss.
[J.Couey]: His putting three masks on and acting like a crazy person while having access to information I presumed that the rest of my faculty didn't have access to made me realize or think that this other stuff I was hearing on the internet wasn't nuts.
[J.Couey]: track record of this issue coming up every three or four years in places like bioethics journals or in this, there's a journal of the nuclear something something, I can't remember what it's called anymore, but it's where like Klotz writes articles, his last name is K-L-O-T-Z.
[J.Couey]: The most prominent example would be when Faucier and the Japanese guy at the University of Wisconsin simultaneously claimed to have enriched avian flu to be aerosolized.
[J.Couey]: This discussion of what these laboratories are doing and how many people they're putting in danger has come back and forth many, many times, but I wasn't aware of it as an academic biologist focused on the brain and working on
[J.Couey]: And I also, and I think this is a skill that all academic scientists and biologists and wannabe tenure track professors have or should develop is the ability not to use Google, but to use biographies, or bibliographies, excuse me, because bibliographies,
[J.Couey]: And so more important than what comes up when you search from Google is if you have a source and that source has cited other sources, this is almost the
[J.Couey]: Even if the truth is not represented in those sources, there will be a pattern of misrepresentation that will show up, that will show up in no other way if you default to Google or whatever algorithm and give me whatever it gives you.
[J.Couey]: figuring out and trying to get a feeling for what the general consensus is and then building out from a couple reviews, for example, to try and find what reviews cite multiple things multiple times and then build from there.
[J.Couey]: And so I think quite successfully at the beginning of the pandemic, read my way into virology and thought, wow, there aren't that many papers about this stuff.
[J.Couey]: And so I could go on for hours about how many different compartments of academic investigation you would need to refresh or even come familiar with if you want to read into a new part of the brain.
[J.Couey]: You want to read into, like I said, memory and the hippocampus and what is the foundation of the work that was that Nobel Prize, for example, that my former mentors got.
[J.Couey]: You don't even need to really read it because the techniques they were using are so outdated now and so misinterpreted often that it's not worth it.
[J.Couey]: And the one generalization that really started to stick in my craw was this idea that all of these people in my academic circle that were willing to accept all these stories on the
[J.Couey]: the web about the pandemic and what it was or what it wasn't and who was responsible and what R0 number it has and how infectious it is and whether one mask or two masks is better, none of these people seem to be aware that the news programs and the people in front of the podiums were all talking about an investigational vaccine that was actually just a transfection.
[J.Couey]: And the weird part about it for me was is that working in the rodent level of neuroscience, that's rats and mice, the genetic manipulation of that animal model is just ubiquitous.
[J.Couey]: We knock out genes, we knock in genes, we interfere with proteins, we transfect proteins in and express proteins where we want them to see what they do or to see what extra
[J.Couey]: Protein will do or what an aberrant protein version would do all of that stuff has been going on for decades and at the at the at the heart of all of those manipulations is the use of DNA and RNA to manipulate the expression of proteins and Pretty much irrespective of how you do it if you go all the way back in history the very first thing that we learned how to do is put DNA or RNA somewhere to get
[J.Couey]: And so you can imagine if a baker, for example, wanted to figure out how baking a cake works, he might add extra sugar until the cake doesn't work anymore.
[J.Couey]: And so we've been playing around with mice and rats by adding protein and subtracting protein by transfecting these animals, which is to put DNA and RNA places.
[J.Couey]: that after trying to point this out for many weeks, none other than Bill Gates went on the American PBS NewsHour, which is pretty much the center of the center of the center of the state kind of news, you know, the BBC News, I guess might be the equivalent in America.
[J.Couey]: He just explained that some vaccines are like this and this vaccine is like that and and that at that point something snapped and I made a video in On a hike and I made a couple bike ride videos a couple of which got immediately struck where I was just like they are There's something weird here because I started the day that I got kicked out.
[J.Couey]: Lab to lab and I I tried to find people that I thought trusted me because we'd worked together over the last four years or I'd helped one of their PhD students and grad students or postdocs and I just said you understand That they are calling Transfection an investigational vaccine and and that they're encouraging old people to think about taking this you you understand that right?
[J.Couey]: There were a couple guys that I had done monkey experiments with, and I also went to one of them and was like, you know, it's the same thing.
[J.Couey]: One of the things that you do in neuroscience, of course, is that you would take the brain and preserve it and then make slices of the brain so that you could anatomically map where it was that you were doing the experiment.
[J.Couey]: Now you can't do anything unless you prove that where you express the gene or where you put your recording was and you know where it was for the whole time.
[J.Couey]: Now, the trick is to understand that when transfection is used in that context, and I'm just speaking from my own personal experience and expertise in neurobiology, when you transfect the brain of a rat,
[J.Couey]: or the brain of a monkey, you have a limited time window in which that anatomical signal will be preserved because we don't really know because no one's ever investigated, but it's always been my assumption that the brain eventually destroys those neurons because they are expressing foreign proteins.
[J.Couey]: It can also be because they are continuously, as a result of transfection, overproducing the protein that you're studying or the manipulation that you've done, and eventually that reaches toxic levels because it never stops.
[J.Couey]: And so I found myself exasperatedly trying to explain to people that unlike the mice and the monkeys that we transfect, our grandparents, we want them to live for a while yet.
[J.Couey]: Are we kidding ourselves here letting Bill Gates call this an investigational vaccine when we as academic biologists already know this is just a transfection under the guise of a countermeasure and these people just...
[U.Alschner]: And now we are in a situation where everyone, even in the mainstream, is talking about what happened, what was done wrong during the so-called pandemic.
[U.Alschner]: What was known about it and why is it that no one looks at these facts, if they are facts, but I have no reason to believe otherwise, since you're explaining exactly what might happen, which is also congruent with other
[J.Couey]: So I think one of the things to bring your readers in on the trick is that what I've described as transfection via lipid nanoparticle has been a methodology which has been investigated for a long time.
[J.Couey]: And so you can find many, many papers, I don't know actually how many, but it would probably, it would surprise me very much if it wasn't in the hundreds of papers talking about lipid nanoparticles going to the liver and lipid nanoparticles going to platelets and how we could use that to, you know, augment platelet function to supplement this and that or the other or to
[J.Couey]: And again, the rationale was, is that if we put adenovirus transfection particles and use adenovirus particles as a transfection vehicle, that when we do it,
[J.Couey]: And so in the case of Jesse Gelsinger, he has a very rare childhood disorder where one of his liver, his liver doesn't even produce one of the essential enzymes for, I think it's for cutting starch or something like that.
[J.Couey]: But what ended up happening, of course, is what I've argued also should happen and is happening in the brain of our mice, is that the immune system doesn't recognize that new protein as being normal.
[J.Couey]: And he claims, Robert Malone claims to be the guy who was the guy who spoke out and told the truth about what happened with Jesse Gelsinger.
[J.Couey]: And instead, actually, the IT guy at the University of Pittsburgh, who's my one friend on that faculty that I'm still friends with, I recommended that he take the Johnson & Johnson.
[J.Couey]: It's been a long, long, long road, but for sure, for sure, for sure, what we should have been doing was telling college kids in 2021, like I was trying to, that even if, even if, this was what I was saying in 2021, even if this transfection is helping our old people, it would be a terrible idea
[J.Couey]: Simply because I had already come to understand that if there's anything to be believed in the literature of immunology, and let me just back up by saying that one of the other things that I spent 2020 doing and 2021 making sure I had accomplished was reading and understanding as much immunology as I could.
[J.Couey]: I probably earned a master's degree in immunology over the first two years of the pandemic trying to read into virology and read into molecular biology far enough to know what was claimed.
[J.Couey]: I'm not saying it's right, but I needed to understand what they were claiming and the observations upon which they were making these claims so that I could at least evaluate them.
[U.Alschner]: What I think is of relevance, of high importance in this context, is that at this point, I mean, you said college kids should have been warned and people should have been warned back in 2022 or 2021, which is one thing, but today where we are
[U.Alschner]: so-called doing the investigation in what was missed, which errors were made, still nobody is looking into these very plausible ways of explaining a great many of adverse effects attributed to those injections.
[U.Alschner]: the various proteins which were encoded for so saying we made a mistake about the spike protein or about this very, that's a, that's actually, that's a really good point.
[J.Couey]: And if you understand what the state of the art of pharmaceuticals was before the pandemic, you'll understand how much hand-waving and also ridiculous exaggeration about what we needed to do or get ready for or what we're doing now has been made.
[J.Couey]: So at the beginning of the pandemic, or let's say before the pandemic in 2019, the state of the art of pharmaceuticals was that we could make proteins.
[J.Couey]: And one of the ways that antibodies are made, one of the ways that almost exclusively sometimes these other kinds of biologics, these proteins are made is the same.
[J.Couey]: And the way it's made is that they use molecular biological techniques developed in the Human Genome Project to make synthetic strands of DNA, actually synthetic circles of DNA.
[J.Couey]: And very specifically, the protein must be purified from all of the bacterial components, the bacterial proteins, the bacterial DNA, and the DNA that they use to make the protein and the RNA that they use to make the protein.
[J.Couey]: And so if you get to the end and you test for DNA, or for bacterial endotoxins, or for RNA contamination, nucleic acid contamination, and it's there, the whole batch has to be destroyed.
[J.Couey]: Now understand that in order to make the RNA that they say that they injected, they do not need to go all the way to the protein, which means they also do not have at their disposal
[J.Couey]: the cleanup step that they use to make the pure protein, which is anion exchange chromatography, because it actually removes, as much as possible, and if they're lucky, all the DNA and RNA present.
[J.Couey]: That's why that guy is now talking about the DNA contamination and not the methodological shortfall that was already present from the very beginning when they announced they were going to make them.
[J.Couey]: And once you understand that that process, you know, that that was available, that standard operating procedure, then also you realize that the production of RNA is not something that they all had to retool for.
[J.Couey]: They actually just had to stop short of a previous endpoint, which is also remarkable when they knew that stopping short of that previous endpoint would remove their ability to purify it.
[J.Couey]: and they all knew it and that's why it's very important to see that a lot of the people on that we think are on our side actually have the pedigree inside of a pharmaceutical company to have no excuse not to know that.
[J.Couey]: But somebody who has worked at a pharmaceutical company, nevermind, has worked at a pharmaceutical company branch that has made proteins, now you have a problem here because they knew.
[U.Alschner]: If I understand you correctly, then you are raising serious doubts to the possibility that something like an RNA virus could cause a global pandemic in the first place.
[U.Alschner]: which of course has severe consequences, if it were true, because then we would not need many of those very, very severe infringements on basic civil and human rights, which were only possible because they were justified in saving the world from a dangerous pandemic.
[U.Alschner]: then we would not have to forgo those democratic rights, those existential democratic rights for democratic societies, at least in the West or even worldwide.
[J.Couey]: And I think one of the extraordinary aspects of the pandemic narrative that we've experienced was, I think even people in Germany will be aware that there was a group of skeptics that were specifically skeptical about virology in general, and specifically about there being no viruses at all, as in,
[J.Couey]: as in all of this biology was made up and that they're just lying about about disease and and a very very complete explanation which essentially meant that you're just going to discount everything that's ever been seen under a microscope because
[J.Couey]: many different people about this idea that why are we fighting with these no virus people and why are they fighting with us because essentially we kind of agree about what happened in the last couple years it's just they want us to somehow argue and defend all of molecular biology's history and DNA and I mean it went all in they went all in on everything and and
[U.Alschner]: Right, so yeah, let me again repeat, but also specify in terms that this, what you've just said, enables governments and experts, so to speak, to say, look, there are those virus deniers and we don't, we must not even engage with them in any discussion, because this is clearly silly, because things do exist, as one can show, and therefore
[U.Alschner]: don't listen to any of those people, whereas the thing is quite of a different nature if whether something exists and what those properties are of that which is existent has in terms of it being able to cause a pandemic as even people who are
[U.Alschner]: known to be opposition to the government countermeasures against this coronavirus pandemic are not in a position to the general need of countermeasures and unmet need, which Dr. Robert Malone keeps insisting would be existing.
[J.Couey]: and admit that part of my confusion in 2022 and 2023 was founded in the fact that I realized in 2022 that a lot of these people, the one that I would say that I respect the most is named Mark Bailey from New Zealand, they were able to quite succinctly explain
[J.Couey]: And what I picked up in the virology literature, thanks absolutely in no small part to being employed to help write this book, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
[J.Couey]: And so then I spent a couple more weeks, or I don't know if it was only eight days or whatever, just reading as many papers as possible that talked about and used infectious clones in their methodologies and what it was.
[J.Couey]: when I read a couple methodological sections that, and I don't think it's worthwhile to tell you what they are now, I can if we get there, where the details of the methodologies made me realize that they actually didn't know what they were doing.
[J.Couey]: is that like a lot of the neurobiologists that I've worked with, like a lot of the systems neurobiologists to the molecular neurobiologists, they're so stuck in the little tiny bit that they know, and the rest of it is assumptions.
[J.Couey]: The same word that I used earlier to describe the use of synthetic DNA and RNA to express a protein, virology as it stands and coronavirus virology as it stands in the gain of function mythology or the gain of function narrative
[J.Couey]: Sometimes they grow for a little while in cell culture, but what that means is that they can put a sample on a cell culture and the cell culture will die, and then they can use standard recombinant genetics and standard molecular techniques like PCR
[J.Couey]: The best way that I would say it maybe would be to go through all of the garbage from a particular city and assemble a page of sentences from all of the text and sides of boxes and bags and all things that you can find.
[J.Couey]: And that claim is made, and then what they do is they take that book that they assembled from the garbage by taking a bunch of words and putting them all together again, and then they take that book to a publisher, and they come back with a pile of those books, and they say, okay, now we're going to sit down and see what these books say.
[J.Couey]: And now the way that they read them, of course, is that they might give these books to a ferret and see if the ferret has an immune reaction to them, see if the ferret is excited by these books.
[J.Couey]: The first thing I mentioned and say it in short is that RNA virology is not done in the way that the TV news cartoon says, which is that they find viruses in bats and then they grow them in their cell cultures and then they study them.
[J.Couey]: And then that DNA sequence is made using the standard techniques that I've described already as the state of the art of pharmaceutical manufacturing and academic molecular biology, which is just you make a synthetic DNA, you grow a lot of it in a cell culture, I mean, sorry, in a bacterial culture, and then you use that DNA to do whatever you want.
[J.Couey]: molecular virology in RNA virology the way that it is done is that a novel signal like a novel sentence could be found in this case a spike protein and then that signal alone
[J.Couey]: And in fact, you are allowed to take chapters from previous books you found and then take this new chapter and put it in there and then say you have a whole new book.
[J.Couey]: and claim that that one chapter is new, but you didn't find the rest of the chapters because it was a really faint signal, you would be allowed to take that chapter from this RNA and substitute all the other chapters to make it a complete book.
[J.Couey]: There are no books that you can put into a cell culture and they'll make lots of copies of those books and those books will all be the same and you can go sell them.
[J.Couey]: And so what I'm suggesting is, is that all of this talk of an RNA, a gain of function RNA molecule that could go from a mud puddle in Wuhan and circulate the globe for six years, is absolutely a biological impossibility, if not a, it's an absurdity.
[U.Alschner]: And this is again something where we want to make clear this is your hypothesis or at least your warning as to the real dangers which exist if we are assuming that what they are saying does exist even though you are saying it's not possible, we need to reassess, versus the dangers which exist
[U.Alschner]: in terms of the infringements of civil liberties, of human rights for the whole of humanity from now on until the end of time, because they say these dangers exist, therefore you have to accept us coming along and say that now is the time
[U.Alschner]: People who ought to be concerned about this are not engaging in a discussion about this, which is not a fringe discussion but is a very relevant
[U.Alschner]: discussion to anyone who claims to be protecting the interests of the United States of America or the Federal Republic of Germany or humanity.
[J.Couey]: And I would stress that to round that off, I want to be clear, at least from my own personal opinion, the danger, although yes, I agree, the danger is don't let them inject you.
[J.Couey]: The point that I think that everybody or a lot of people have missed, that I missed and that I'm stressing now more than anything is that the coercion that was necessary for us to be where we are
[J.Couey]: But to every academic biologist that's listening to this podcast or listening to this interview, you must understand that the way that you use PCR on your bench to get your nature paper that includes reactions in triplicate, that includes multiple amplicons, that includes nested primers, and that includes sequencing the amplicon that you have amplified to be sure that the sequence you wanted to find is the one that you found and produce the fluorescence
[J.Couey]: And instead, oftentimes tests with only a single primer, a single amplicon with no nested primers and no sequencing done were used to drive the narrative of the pandemic.
[J.Couey]: Products are still being produced products are still being used that are being used incorrectly to diagnose a background signal a RNA explanation these products are being they're spending money on them and the most important thing to understand for me that I've become aware of that I think is so important to this is that These diagnostic tests in America.
[J.Couey]: If anyone is not aware, the American medical system makes a very, very big profit from selling the medical remnants that are produced throughout the system.
[J.Couey]: It doesn't matter if it is placentas from birth, if it is foreskin from young baby males, if it is aborted fetuses, all things that are produced on a regular basis are monetized and they are monetized to the highest bidder.
[J.Couey]: that the testing remnants that were produced at universities in America and hospitals in America were sold to the highest bidder and this data is part of the operation and this data and this collection and this slow
[J.Couey]: sort of surrendering of our sovereignty to this idea that these diagnostics work is the opening that we, obviously we're not going to transfect ourselves again, but the way that they will coerce us is with the diagnostics.
[J.Couey]: are going to this foundation because, and I'll stop, in America the PCR test was used in combination with the pulse oximeter to give people in the hospital supplementary oxygen.
[J.Couey]: And in giving people supplementary oxygen, we violated a rule of medicine that we've known since the 80s, which is unhumidified pure oxygen gives you acute respiratory distress syndrome in a couple hours.
[J.Couey]: for a couple decades and yet at the beginning of the pandemic because of this narrative that we were running out of ventilators or we needed to make more in Elon Musk's factory that we used supplementary oxygen and there are many doctors especially young doctors at the beginning of the pandemic
[J.Couey]: And no one that I can see in the dissident space that is supposedly coming to our rescue on white horses is remotely concerned about the coercion and fear and uncertainty and doubt that was created in 20 and 2021 that allowed
[U.Alschner]: The issue you've just described with the failure to use the PCR test or with the use of the PCR test in the way it has been done without the necessary precautions to make sure that what
[U.Alschner]: However, even if we don't switch, as the move is now, to switch to those genetic products for immunization, even if we would stick to the old way of doing immunization for every child which is going to be at least in school,
[U.Alschner]: You are saying that from a biological point of view, this concept of intramuscular injection with the intent of augmenting anybody's immune system
[U.Alschner]: Please explain this because it is of high relevance for many people who have grown skeptical about those promises of the blessings which vaccines have given us and now since we are able to produce better vaccines, why shouldn't we?
[J.Couey]: If you think of your body as having an inside and an outside, actually your gut and your intestines, your stomach, your intestines is actually outside of your body and things that are outside of your body pass through that tube.
[J.Couey]: selective process of those materials with an orchestra of bacteria that process that material and allow only certain things into your body that you want in.
[J.Couey]: a microflora of bacteria that we kind of have a symbiotic relationship with and most of them are pretty friendly and it's good to have friendly bacteria there because otherwise other bacteria might come to occupy that and we have understood many skin disorders and gut disorders as being an imbalance between the immune system and the flora that's present there, the bacteria are present.
[J.Couey]: And so at some point, it became interesting to me that in reading all of the history of vaccination, I bought a lot of very old books to make sure that I was really reading original sources.
[J.Couey]: And so they were scratching things into the skin with the idea of augmenting a person's immune system, exposing them to something in a milder fashion that would protect them from the exposure to the real thing.
[J.Couey]: Whether you look at the gut and then work your way in or whether you work at the skin or work your way in or whether you even look at the mucosal lining of the respiratory system, you're going to see this layered sort of defense system and that layered defense
[J.Couey]: And I, after five years, have come to understand that as being absolutely the opposite, actually, and maybe one of the best ways to get people to think about vaccination in general, and one of the ways that no one has previously suggested we think about it, which strikes me as very odd, because
[J.Couey]: understanding that we now have, albeit limited, of our immune system suggests that it is an extremely well-organized, finely-tuned machine with a very obvious orientation, and intramuscular injection in no way, shape, or form takes that into account.
[J.Couey]: What strikes me as most odd is that in all the years of objecting to it, no one of prominence has ever gotten to the point where I have, which is that what if we just questioned the whole methodology in general?
[U.Alschner]: And let me also add now as a publisher of Never Again is now global, Never Again is now sub-stack, where I am happy to also publish our conversation here.
[U.Alschner]: In this whole process, you and a couple of colleagues, one of whom being Mark Kulak, has been teaching and showing and researching that we have individuals and institutions involved in this whole development who have been, now let's start for this project, for this discussion, just start 1962 with
[U.Alschner]: things about the desirability of having certain traits within the population as opposed to others and how to even cause fertility and unfertility to enhance this development.
[U.Alschner]: who continued to be very influential in this area until the break of the new millennium, who were advising governments, who were towers of influence within the scientific community.
[U.Alschner]: And this is why I am so grateful for your work and for the work of your colleagues, such as Mark Hulek in particular, who have been doing
[U.Alschner]: but it is something which is necessary to be unearthed, to be rediscovered or discovered and to be discussed from a perspective of the, well, even of the future of humanity, because this is what I see is a tendency with people to acquiesce, to keep quiet if people up above
[U.Alschner]: who consider themselves smarter, better, or whatever, assume a position to be deciding what needs to be done for the rest of the Great Unwash.
[U.Alschner]: They are not using this term, the Great Unwash, but their mindset is exactly this, and this is something which I will not remain silent about.
[U.Alschner]: I will sound the alarm, I will keep promoting very, very important work such as yours, and therefore I am very grateful for this discussion.
[J.Couey]: I wasn't sure what we were going to do there with the live stuff, and I just decided to do it live, and he doesn't mind because he's not a meddler.
