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Can you thank you very much?

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That should be it.

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Dang it, dang it, dang it.

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How did I screw this time up again?

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Always the same crap.

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It's no problem.

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So, Kooti, yes.

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Well, it's okay for you.

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Yeah, the sound here is fine for me, as long as you can.

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Okay, good, fine.

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So, maybe I'm going to begin with the reynion,

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as it's still the reynion.

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Okay, I'm going to start with the reynion.

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I'm going to start with the reynion.

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I'm going to start with the reynion.

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Okay, I'll start with the reynion.

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Same, nine, ark, seven, six, fune, fier, tri, swy, eyns.

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Yeah, I'm turning for the reynion.

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So, I'm going to start with the reynion.

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I know, I'm excited to see the reynion.

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I'm going to start with the reynion.

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I'm going to start with the reynion.

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I'm going to start with the reynion.

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Hello, JJ.

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I'm glad you're with us.

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We had a little bit of a mix up with regards to timing,

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but that's no problem.

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We are very excited to talk to you.

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It would be great if maybe you could introduce yourself.

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Yeah, and then we can take it from there.

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Thanks very much for having me.

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My name is Jonathan Couey, and I am a recovering academic

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neurobiologist.

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I had about a, I don't know, a 15 or 20 year career

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as an academic biologist before the pandemic started.

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And after speaking out against measures and mandates,

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I was told to go home from my position

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at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine

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as a research assistant professor.

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And I continued to speak out against the,

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I don't know what I would characterize it as,

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other than nonsense, the biological nonsense

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that was being characterized as a pandemic.

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I didn't figure it out right away.

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I don't want anybody to think that I came to where I am now

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after a few days of thinking about it.

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For a very long time in 2020, I was still convinced

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that there was a lab leak that was being covered up

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and that this was what was happening.

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And as my understanding of virology and the biology

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underlying the idea of a pandemic started to clarify a little bit,

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or I started to clarify it a little bit,

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I've come to realize that that's probably not what happened.

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And so I've spent my last three years

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basically trying to learn enough immunology and virology.

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And the biology that I didn't know previous to the pandemic

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so that I could understand what really happened.

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And so I found myself, how can I say it,

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crossing paths with a lot of people.

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A lot of people have come to my house in Pittsburgh

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to visit and talk to me about this stuff.

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And most of the people that have come to visit me

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have turned out to be medlers in the sense

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that they didn't really have my or my family's best interest in mind.

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And so over the last three years, I've come to understand

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that most of the people who have stepped up to speak out

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have in some way or another been well, been compromised.

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And I don't think it's to say that there are bad people.

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I think it's to say that something very serious

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occurred across the globe, across these Western countries

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that involves a government operation.

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And that government operation gives a priority to a narrative.

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And so people who are in control of this theater

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have perpetuated this narrative that a pandemic occurred

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and that it's actually not a very bad one.

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And it could be much worse in the future.

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And I think this is a mythology that they've been trying to install

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for a number of years so that our children or the so even worse

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that we will teach this mythology to our children

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and that they can be governed by it forever.

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And I think that's the crossroads that all of humanity is at right now.

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And it sounds a bit maybe overdramatic or overdramatic,

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but it's really not.

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It's really where we are right now.

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We need to reevaluate our basic understanding of who we are

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as a species and where we fit in the natural world.

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And I think we need to start to really introspectively think

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about what the idea of a pandemic really is

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and what the biology that they claim really is

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and then investigate whether or not this biology has

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any foundation in reality.

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Because I think we will find that a lot of what

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is misconstrued as public health is actually

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a large mythology that's been thrown on us.

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It sounds very scary and it sounds very daunting

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to try and penetrate this.

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But I think in reality, a lot of people

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have felt this inside for a long time.

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A lot of academic biologists have the tool set

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to understand this deception and just have chosen not

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to apply their critical thinking to this particular problem.

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And I think that's one of the magics of where I am.

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I used to be an academic biologist so I understand

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exactly how focused one has to be in order

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to succeed in that environment.

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And that extreme focus and specialization

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has created a bunch of really smart thinkers

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that are so hyper focused on one biological problem

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that they have essentially undermined themselves

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and as responsible adults.

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And they can't apply their unique skill set to reality.

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They just apply it to this one academic pursuit.

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And they take everything else for granted.

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And I think that mistake has been made by so many hundreds

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of thousands of biologists that have this inherent love

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of biology, this inherent, inherent respect

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for the sacredness of life.

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They have this inherent understanding

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of the irreducible complexity that they are knocking

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against all the time.

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And yet some reason or another because of the way

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the academic environment is set up,

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people like me who have this intense love of everything

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alive can be put in a laboratory.

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And that fascination and that love for everything sacred

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can be sort of compartmentalized to answer one question.

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And in that extreme focus, monastery style focus,

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you lose touch with the rest of the world.

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And this has resulted in, I think,

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the biology of public health being

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contorted into what it is today.

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And there are no biologists that are in love with biology

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that are curating this public health mythology.

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None of these people are there for that reason.

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They're all there for power, for greed,

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for intellectual property, for money.

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None of these individuals that have led us

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through the last four years are children who

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grew up as biologists and teachers who

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grew up as biologists and lovers of the natural world.

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These are not who we are being led by right now.

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We are being led by individuals who,

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by wittingly or unwittingly, have given up

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the understanding of what it means to be a human

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and what it means to understand where

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that line of sacredness starts.

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When a baby comes out of the womb, it's pretty much perfect.

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That idea has been wholly discarded

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by our academic biologists.

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And that's really a tragedy from which this all comes.

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And so it has a really long introduction

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that I would say I'm a lifelong biologist who

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wandered his way through life trying

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to figure out what to do with this extreme fascination

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and love for the living world.

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And I found myself in academic biology

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for a long time asking questions about the brain

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and being very happy with that job.

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I actually thought it was the most amazing job

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because I got to use high-powered electron,

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or not electron, but a high-powered microscopes,

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high-powered confocal microscopy.

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It's a lot of photography.

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It's a lot of high-precision measurements.

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It's a lot of very interesting things

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that include surgery and all this other stuff

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that you get to do.

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And so it's a really wonderful pursuit

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because you really are monastery-style,

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focused on a question.

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But now the question becomes, is that the right question?

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Are you pursuing an avenue which is expanding

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our understanding of who we are as a species?

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And I believed personally what I was doing

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in neuroscience was doing that.

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But I also was keenly aware that there were many, many,

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many avenues of investigation that we're not doing that.

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And not just in neuroscience, but across the board

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in the biological sciences in general.

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And that's really the unique perspective I think I bring

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to this is that I've had my feet on the floor

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of a laboratory where grant money is important

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for a very long time.

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I watched how this, what this does to intelligent people

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and how rewarding it feels for them

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to succeed in this environment,

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but also how isolating it is

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and how it takes away the power

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that they would have as a leader in their community,

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for example.

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Most of these people, I'm just babbling here.

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Most of these people who are professors

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at universities should probably also be community leaders

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where maybe they're a mayor or they're a board member

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or they influence decision in their community.

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But because this academic job is so all encompassing

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and so borders on obsession,

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they have no extra energy for their children

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or for their wife or their marriage.

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Nevermind for contributing to the governance

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of their community.

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So one of the amazing things that this academic,

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you know, the ivory tower has done to the way that our,

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we govern our communities is that some of the,

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who probably would be some of the more respectable leaders,

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some of the more articulate leaders

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have been taken out of that arena

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and put into this, you know,

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this rat race ladder climbing exercise

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which feels very good to them

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because they get to ask these,

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what they feel are interesting questions,

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but the way that the funding has been used to sculpt

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that pursuit for the last 40 years has resulted

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in a lot of wasted money, a lot of wasted pursuit

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and a lot of bad assumptions

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upon which public health is now based.

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And so we have many, many years of work

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to try to reverse this and the pandemic,

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I hope has given us some open windows

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with which to show people what's really going on

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and what's really happening.

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And so I'm hoping that we can maintain this momentum enough

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so that we can start to get to a lot of these academic biologists

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who as I said earlier have the tool set to crack this puzzle

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but haven't yet put any of their critical thinking faculties

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toward reality again.

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They're still super focused on their,

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their academic pursuits because that's what they've told

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is the way that they're supposed to contribute to the world.

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So that, I don't know how that,

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that's the worst introduction I've ever given,

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but there it is.

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That's all right.

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I think it's right on the point basically.

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So would you think that because,

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I mean, since there's a lot of grant money involved,

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so people, you say it's maybe also limiting their,

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you know, the approach they take

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to what they, the field that they maybe do research in

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because there's money only for this kind of research and so on.

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So that also makes a limits, you know, the fields where you,

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and maybe it's also an incentive,

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an incentive for maybe even coming out with like say,

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fraudulent or like manipulated statistics and so on

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because you, you think, oh, it has to be,

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there's more, more grants coming up if I say,

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oh, there's long COVID and I have,

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we have to do this and that or so.

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That's also a distortion.

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It's definitely spot on.

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I think that, that, that I can give you several examples

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where this is actually the primary mechanism

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by which these, these idea spaces are, are sculpted.

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And so one example might be the genetic causes of autism.

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If you fund $1 billion to investigate genetic correlations

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with autism and you, you, you use these grants

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to do a couple different things.

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Number one, you use these grants to tell people like me

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what the right question to ask is.

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Now, if I'm an academic biologist, I need to find money.

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And so I've got to look for grant calls

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and every grant call has a specific little limited window

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of investigation that your question should fall under.

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And in this respect of genetic causes of autism

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has caused an entire field of neuroscience

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to almost completely transform into the assumption

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that autism is caused exclusively by genes.

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And so there has been so much investigation

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into correlation in animal models of autism,

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which are another thing that get,

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that get, essentially they get codified or,

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or canonized by these grant calls

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because after five years of funding research

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into the genetic causes of autism,

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you've also funded five years of research

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into animal models of autism.

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And by, by no fault of their own

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have made these legitimate models,

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legitimate models because all these papers

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from the previous years have come out.

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And so now there's a whole field that has precedence.

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And these models have precedence so that you can say,

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well, this guy did this study and this guy

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and this lady did this study.

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And so I'm following on the footsteps of their work.

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And so this pattern of building up

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the scientific literature has resulted in whole fields

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which are essentially probably working

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on the wrong assumption set,

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but have perpetuated because there is this literature

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foundation that they can use to justify what they're doing

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and what they're doing still fits

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within these grant research calls

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and these broad, not broad,

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but very limited spectrums of investigation

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that are established by the grant calls.

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And so it is of utmost importance to understand

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that the vast majority of academic neuroscientists,

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academic biologists, anybody that's investigating

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a medical thing is investigating a question

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that has been, they have been pigeonholed

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into asking because of who they studied with,

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what they did in their PhD, why they did their postdoc,

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these things already start to limit the sliver of biology

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that people can investigate.

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And then once they start trying to solicit their own money,

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they almost are forced to work on things

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that they worked on in the past

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in order to justify their expertise.

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And then lo and behold, you've got a whole world

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full of academic biologists that specialize

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in a sliver of knowledge and a sliver of investigation.

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And by definition, are very careful

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about not stepping outside of that

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so that nobody can criticize them.

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And so this is...

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There's also a lot of angst involved.

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Absolutely there is.

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And in fact, that's a lot of how these fields work

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is that you become an expert in your sub-field,

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of this sub-field and then everybody cites you

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and they need to cite that thing,

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but they don't investigate it

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because they know that you're doing it.

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And so as long as this little, you know,

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monastery system of biology continues,

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then with certain funding streams

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and with certain priorities,

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they can perpetuate the idea that public health is X, Y, and Z,

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that pandemic potential can be measured with X, Y, and Z.

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And after 10 years, they have a literature foundation

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which can be pointed to as pandemic potential.

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And I think that's one of the tricks

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that has been pulled on us since about,

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I would say 2002, where they have slowly

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but surely led academic biologists,

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led bureaucrats and led the common populace

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into believing that RNA,

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if it has the right combination of bases,

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can perpetuate itself around the world

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with high fidelity for many years.

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And that's just biologically not true.

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RNA cannot make a protein

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and then copy itself and then jump from people to people

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without changing its sequence for hundreds of infections

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over millions of, the story that they've told us

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is not possible using RNA.

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It's just not, you can't leak RNA in a puddle

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and then have it get into one person's lungs

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and then some mechanism by which that RNA copies itself

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with high enough fidelity to be found

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in several places around the world with few changes.

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And then a few months later,

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many more places around the world with very few changes.

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This level of fidelity,

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there is no support for this in the biological literature.

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There is support for signals in this size scale.

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There is support for genetic signals of DNA and RNA

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in the background, but what they've done

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is essentially turned up the volume on a ham radio

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that's picking up noise from the atmosphere

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and then turned it up loud enough

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so that they could use an algorithm to say in that noise,

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there's some order.

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And we have been allowed,

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they have been allowed to get away with it

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because of the way that academic biology

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is in this monastery style, hyperspecialized.

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And then they've controlled that specialization.

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How many people work on coronaviruses?

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How many people work on RNA viruses?

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Not very many.

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And the ones that work on the ones that matter

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for purposes of pandemic

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and purposes of establishing pandemic potential,

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the list is extremely short.

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And the same people have-

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How many people?

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Sorry.

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I mean, it's less than 20.

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It's less than 15.

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Like worldwide, you think it's like 20 scientists

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to control this narrative?

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I mean, it's certainly less than 20 scientists

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that control the clones.

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And so that's the part of this

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that I think everybody essentially is missing

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and the part that I feel as though I want to be challenged on.

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I want some molecular biologist to come and say that I'm wrong.

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But essentially, what I feel like has ruined my life

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is not coming out against the lab leak

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or saying it's a lab leak.

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It's not coming out and saying the natural immunity

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to previous RNAs is more than adequate

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to protect us from this new one, if there is a new one.

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And that didn't ruin my life either.

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What ruined my life was when I started to say out loud

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that RNA can't pandemic,

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that RNA can't copy itself even once,

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it can't copy itself perfectly.

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DNA, because it's double-stranded,

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has this built-in ability to,

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it shows its errors because the double helix doesn't complete.

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At least that's how the cartoon is told to us.

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And there are other accessory enzymes

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that can come along and repair those errors.

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And so copying DNA into more DNA is thought to be

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from a biology perspective, a very high fidelity process.

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But copying RNA is actually something

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that isn't done very often.

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And so when it is done in the context

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of the virology cartoon, it is done in two different contexts.

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One is the negative strand RNA virus

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where they have to have an enzyme along with them.

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Because a negative strand RNA, like in a measles virus,

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can't be immediately converted into a protein

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by hijacking our machinery.

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Because it's a negative strand RNA, it doesn't work.

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So they need to have built into the viral a protein

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that can copy that RNA into a positive strand RNA

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which can run through our ribosome.

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So it's an interesting cartoon already.

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When you contrast the cartoon of a flu virus

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there are a measles virus which needs to have

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a built in protein enzyme already present

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in every variant that's gonna be infectious

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versus a coronavirus that actually doesn't

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because it's a positive strand, single stranded RNA

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and it actually, supposedly contains an RNA code

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for the RNA dependent RNA polymerase.

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And so it doesn't have one in the viral

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but instead it makes one.

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And then that enzyme is supposed to copy

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and make new viruses.

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So in these two sort of illustrations,

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what you don't hear and what you don't see

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is that every single time the RNA dependent RNA polymerase

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makes a copy of that RNA by definition there are errors.

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It has to be, that is the foundational understanding

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of how this works.

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There's can't be proofreading.

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There is a accessory protein called exon exon

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that supposedly can increase the fidelity

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of coronavirus genome replication

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but it's not proofreading.

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It can't be proofreading because there's a very,

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it's not even really well understood

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but there's ever a double stranded RNA moment

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during the copying of the RNA in these things

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because we don't understand very well how this works.

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But the point would be that what they have described to us

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is a phenomenon where an RNA with a 30,000 base pair genome

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could be found in Iran, in Wuhan, in Washington state

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and in Italy and that a few months later

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it could be found in New York and in Florida

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and in Oklahoma and that relatively speaking

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that RNA signal would be almost identical

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across 30,000 bases, across all these different measurements

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and that has no precedence in the history of biology.

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There's no, not one paper that has ever demonstrated

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that this is even remotely possible

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and we have to understand what they've implied.

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They've implied millions of infections

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by the same RNA virus that originated from a point

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and that's just, it's the unfathomability,

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it's just so beyond absurd

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and then the spectacular commitment to this is what happened,

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it just reveals the thing for what it is.

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And so here's where we go full circle that I apologize,

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I almost lost track of my thoughts.

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If RNA can't do this, then what's really going on?

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Well, for the last 30 years,

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RNA viruses have been very difficult,

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if not impossible, to grow in culture.

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I'm not an expert on flu virus,

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but it does seem to be that flu viruses,

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flu virologists say that they can grow flu virus in cultures

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and in eggs and then they get a lot more flu virus.

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So I can't argue and I won't argue,

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I'm not sophisticated enough to argue with that,

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but what I will argue with is that what they grow there

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is a very heterogeneous, very mixed bag of RNA exosomes

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or RNA particles, it's not a high fidelity version

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of the flu and that's because of the way

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that these genes are copied

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and the way they sort themselves out.

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But it may be something that's useful

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for exposing your immune system,

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but my point is that when they study these viruses

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and it includes the flu,

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that a very standard procedure for these RNA signals

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is to convert them to DNA

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so that you can always go back to that sequence.

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And why is that important?

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Well, because it's not natural.

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If you sample whatever these RNA signals are

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from a bat or from a pangolin,

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you are basically using a very tiny PCR amplicon

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to be a flag for the existence

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of what you assume to be a 30,000 base pair genome.

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Once you get that very small amplicon flag,

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you say, oh yeah, there it is.

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And so then you use a fishing method to turn up the noise

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and then you look for a signal that fits

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a preconceived notion of what a coronavirus is.

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When you find it, you can't do anything about it.

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You can't grow that in a dish.

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You can't put it in a cell culture

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and grow enough of it to send all around the world

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because that's really not how they work.

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And instead, and they're trying to blame it on Ralph Barrick,

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but I think that's a little bit of a fudge

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in the sense of this molecular biology

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has been around for a very long time

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and applying it to these particular sequences

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is not that big a deal.

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We have known how to take different DNA pieces

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and stitch them together using endonucleases.

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We've known this for a very long time.

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Molecular biologists have been putting together

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different sequences of DNA for decades now.

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And so using this to make a 30,000 base pair genome

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of a coronavirus and then grow a lot of that DNA

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is a very normal baking procedure

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in pharmaceutical companies when they make antibodies.

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They have to do a very similar thing.

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Making biologic oftentimes involves making a DNA construct

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and then the protein comes from it.

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But the intermediate there is an RNA.

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And so the way that they've made this shot for everybody,

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the transfection shot is just simply a bacterial culture

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that makes the DNA and the DNA is,

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they lice the culture, they take the DNA out

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and then they put an RNA polymerase on it,

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they make the RNA, they purify the RNA as best they can

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and then they injected that into people

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after they combined it with a lipid nanoparticle.

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The point is is that the only way,

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the only way they've been able to study coronaviruses

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is if they start from a DNA construct

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that they make RNA clones from.

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And so all of these papers that have ever studied SARS-1,

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for example, you can look this up,

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a lot of these papers start with SARS-Urbani.

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SARS-Urbani is a sequence of SARS-1

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taken from a guy named Urbani in 2003 or 2002

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and they constructed a DNA clone of it.

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And then they generated RNA from that DNA clone.

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And now if you think very carefully about what happens

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when the natural virus is put into a cell culture

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or natural viruses sampled in nature,

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you have an RNA that's being copied by an RNA polymerase.

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When they make clones, they have a DNA

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that's being translated into RNA by an RNA polymerase,

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not an RNA dependent RNA polymerase,

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but an RNA polymerase that's designed to work

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or has evolved to work from DNA to RNA.

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And so that copying process is a little bit higher fidelity

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and more importantly, the template is higher fidelity.

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The enzyme doesn't jump off of DNA

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when it's making the RNA because that would make,

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that would be a big problem for us and making proteins.

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But the RNA dependent RNA polymerase is already well known

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to have a propensity to make many, many, many short genomic

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sequences of RNA as it copies the genome

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and almost never makes it from beginning to end

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of the original RNA and that can be seen in experiments

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from the 70s all the way up until now.

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No matter how they measurement,

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the full genome almost never gets copied

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and hundreds of thousands of copies

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of the sub-genomic RNAs are present after this happens.

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So again, the point is, is that whenever they've tried

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to sample these RNA signals from the wild,

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they peter out, they disappear, they collapse,

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there might have been a signal in the animal,

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there might have been a signal in the sick person,

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but they're never able to reconstruct

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and sustain this signal in any laboratory preparation

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because of the nature of RNA copying its lack of fidelity

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and the sort of erroneous nature of RNA dependent RNA polymerases

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the way that they work.

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And so they bypass this whole problem

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by taking whatever signal they purport to find in nature

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and making an RNA construct and always starting from there

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because then when they inject that infectious RNA

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into the animal, they are injecting a concentration

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and purity of full genome RNAs that could never,

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ever, ever, ever, ever be found in nature,

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could never occur in nature, could never exist in nature

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because again, RNA dependent RNA polymerase

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can't copy RNA like that.

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But if you take a DNA copy of it

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and then use a commercial version of RNA polymerase,

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you can make a very, very large, relatively pure amount

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of self-replicating RNA that you can put in an animal,

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you can send around the world,

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you can put on cell culture and the cell culture

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will make lots more RNA.

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And so all of the basic biology of virology

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can be of coronavirus virology can be recreated

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using these clones, but these clones, I'm arguing,

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are nowhere near related to whatever RNA signal

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they purport to be finding in nature.

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It just can't be possible, it's not.

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And this is, on the other hand,

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I hope that eventually I can shut up,

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is that this is the easy right in front of our hand,

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right in front of our face explanation

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for how this sequence could have been found

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in so many places at the same time.

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Because this is how coronavirus biology is done.

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If you wanted five labs in the world

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to work on your new coronavirus,

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the way that Ralph Barrick would do it

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is he would make a CDNA clone of it,

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he would produce enough infectious RNA

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to send around to all these labs

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and they'd all get a perfect sample.

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And that's indeed what they've done with SARS-CoV-2

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and some of these variants,

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that's what they've done with Omicron,

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that's what they do with a pangolin virus

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that they're now saying was 100% lethal

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in the ACE2, or human ACE2 mice that they put it in,

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they are confounding all of these different assumptions

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together and the result is a mythology

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that we're supposed to teach our kids,

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which is that RNA can pandemic

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and this was an easy one

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and the next one could be much worse.

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I don't even remember what the question was anymore,

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holy cow, Wolfgang, can I just say

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that you probably saved my life and the life of my family

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because you spoke out in 2020,

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you were the first guy I saw your work in 2009,

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is heroic, I also heard a presentation by Mark von Braunst,

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the guy from Belgium a few years later

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where he trashed you and said that,

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oh, he was a terrible guy for speaking out in 2009

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and I just can't thank you enough

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for the rest of the earth for having done what you did

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and I hope I'm doing a little bit

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of justice to your work

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because I'm really only inspired by you

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and Mike Eden and a couple other heroes, seriously.

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I'm so much fascinated because you know the details

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and you know the many people who know many details

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and you have an overview of all those specialists

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you have met and you know how they think

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and it's great for me.

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I'm just a practitioner.

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I'm just someone having being responsible for human lives

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as a public health guy who wanted to do the best he can

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and I'm a critical man

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and this is the only, you know this,

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when we enter this region of molecules,

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when we start to explain what we experience

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and what life is concentrated on molecules,

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I get lost, I get really lost

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and I go back and I say, what can we observe?

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What's happening?

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How long, what is the virus?

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Did they exist 100 years ago already?

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What function does viruses have in life

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and life is a very, very perfect thing?

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I'm a fan of Maturama, you know him, I think.

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Yes, and so I know about this communication process

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is in life theoretically.

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I'm not interested in the details of molecules.

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I cannot manage, it's too much

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but I think there is, life is so much more

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I think there is, life is so much more clever

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than only human beings can be.

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So we, you said something very, very important for me,

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this was a gift already.

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You said the in irreducible complexity of life,

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this is what you said.

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And I think this is a great word.

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And if you think this irreducibility of complexity,

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we just have to step back and have to,

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why do we, what do we need for having a good life?

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What do we need?

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Do we need all those details?

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Can we have a manage?

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What is with artificial intelligence?

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It's not artificial, it's stunned by man,

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this is artificial.

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And this, those weak part of biology,

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like we are human beings,

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it's a very small part of biology, we live.

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When I look out of the window, there is,

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there is the sea, there is the trees,

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there is so many living varieties,

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I will never catch, I will never understand.

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And we just go to work, we just learn something,

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we use this something, we have our attention in,

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this makes me very, take back my mind,

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I don't know, you, how do you say it?

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I'm cautious that I don't know so much,

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but I know there is something very well functioning.

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And when we think we can make it better,

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we do many mistakes for sure.

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Oh yes, and I think that's a perfect segue

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into what I was gonna say is that,

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I've been trying to come up with a few messages

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that non-biologists can understand,

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and one of the ones that I think is resonating

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with a lot of people right now is intramuscular injection

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of any combination of substances,

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with the intent of augmenting the immune system is dumb.

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And the reason why I love that phrase so much

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is because it gets back to the idea of what they are implying

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when they say that they can give, you know,

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30 injections to my kid before age six months.

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And they are implying that this incredibly complex,

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irreducibly complex system, that is the immune system,

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has sufficiently understood that they can put

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a combination of things in the muscle of your child

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to augment that system.

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And that is the level of audacity there,

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and arrogance is really extraordinary,

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but that's really where we are right now.

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And then the worst part is,

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is that it's now not even a combination of substances,

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but it's an actual genetic signal.

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And in a toxic envelope that we have even had the audacity

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to say is relatively equivalent

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to the previous combinations of terrible substances

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that we've been injecting,

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when in reality it's nowhere near equivalent.

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And in fact, it probably makes these previous concoctions

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look relatively benign,

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because they are just, you know, some heavy metals

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or some toxins that your body has challenged

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and your immune system is confused by.

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But this, where you start to make your biology behave

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differently and really potentially confuse your immune system,

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that I don't think the immune system is ever confused

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by an intramuscular injection of aluminum

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plus some proteins that all that crap

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is not supposed to be here.

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But once you've transfected random cells in your body

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to express a protein,

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it becomes a very much more, in my humble opinion,

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diabolical signal that is much more challenging

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for the immune system to sort out without making a mistake.

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And this is...

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I was so much interested when I was working

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with a group of biologists or human genetic geneticists

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genetic geneticists,

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and they were advising people with inborn defects,

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genetic defects.

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So they are the children that cannot produce certain proteins

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they need for their life,

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and they tried to genetically modify those children

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so that they can build the protein they needed.

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And they found out that after two years

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or after some time, they...

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Before they started producing the protein, they needed.

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It was okay, but after some time,

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after some months or some years,

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this process was stopped again.

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It just didn't work anymore.

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So there must be something within the human being

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they tried to treat, which repaired.

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There must be some plan of this human being

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how it was born.

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It said, no, this doesn't fit to me.

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This is a strange thing, and erase it again.

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So my hope is, when they do this genetic operation now

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with billions of people,

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that after two or three years,

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the bodies will have, if they survive it,

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the bodies may repair it in many, many cases.

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I don't know it, but I think this is a chance.

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We can...

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This is some hope also.

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We can wait for it.

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Yeah, I am cautiously optimistic myself.

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I'm also cautiously optimistic that the people

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that did this who were aware,

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at least vaguely aware of the potential advantage

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they could gain if they put some placebo doses out there,

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so that the populace would be fooled into believing

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that the safety was higher than it was.

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And so I think there are a number of possible ways

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that this technology,

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and I do think that's one of the things

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we have to acknowledge is that there was a concerted effort

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to bamboozle much of the free world

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into believing that transfection has been proven

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to be useful, and that now we just have to figure out

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what protein and how exactly to do it.

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Maybe we need a better lip and nanoparticle,

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or maybe we need to inhale some of these things,

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but the basic methodology is on TV already checked out

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and is already a miracle.

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And this, I think, is so much of the goal here,

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is to get people to accept this.

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And then maybe the old adage

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that all of these people have been saying for 20 years

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that mice lie and monkeys deceive,

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and the only thing that tells you the truth are humans,

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maybe this is part of a move toward getting people to accept

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that the only way we're gonna make personalized medicine

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is to use you as a guinea pig.

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And so there's so many frightening aspects of this

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that, again, assume that we've conquered

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the irreducible complexity of biology,

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that we've figured it all out,

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that we're just a few years away from having the data set

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to put into the AI, and then the AI will spit out the answer.

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And this is all an illusion.

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It's all an illusion that they've told rich people

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and they've told bureaucrats that the cheaper

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that we can make DNA and the cheaper it is to sequence it

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is just the same as the easier it's gonna be

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that we're gonna understand it.

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And that's just not, they're not equivalent things.

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That we can make DNA cheaper.

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It doesn't mean we understand what we're making

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or how it contributes to the pattern integrity of life.

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And so that still is this thing

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that we're telling our college kids

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and we're telling our high school kids

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that we have this mastery that we don't have

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and that we have this understanding that we don't have

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and we're robbing them of this reverence for life.

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We're robbing them of this reverence for the living world

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and instead replacing it with this arrogance

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and with this, it's terrible.

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I really see it as a fundamental attack

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on who we are as humanity.

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I think there may be, there are those people

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who finance all this and you say,

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yes, I need what you do.

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I take it and I use it in seven billion people.

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Those people, why do they do that?

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They are part of biology too.

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Yeah, it's hard to say.

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I mean, I think number one, we have to admit

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that there gotta be a number of unwitting participants

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because I was an unwitting participant in 2020.

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I still, when you and Mike Eden were saying

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that, you know, whatever these are,

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the variants are probably baloney

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and there were lots of signals like this

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when we were working before.

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I still was fighting for this idea that no,

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but a laboratory virus could have heretofore unseen possibilities

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and laboratory virus could be much more infectious

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because it's got a fear and cleavage site.

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And so I was totally fooled.

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I totally bought in to the idea

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that they were covering something up

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and that because it was a laboratory virus

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that it could potentially have biology that wasn't natural

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and that idea sucked me in and sucked a lot of people in.

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I think that was intentional

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because that scared people into taking something

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that they otherwise would have never taken.

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And here we are three years later

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and I'm really late to the party.

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Like you and Mike had seen through it already in 2020.

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And I, it's not so difficult to see it.

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When you have a, I was very impressed by a map

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where I could see it 24 hours short

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where all the airplanes were yellow points

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driving around the world with 10 million passengers a day.

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Yes.

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With all their viruses on their body, in their body,

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everywhere traveling around 10 billion a day.

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Yes.

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And spreading everything of every variation of life,

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spreading that can live with human beings, spreading each day.

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And I was, I was thinking of that.

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And then I was thinking, Wuhan,

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there was such a high,

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a legal thing there in Guangdong, in Guangdong in the SARS-1.

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I was thinking, where has it disappeared?

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Why does it disappear so quickly?

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And with all those passengers traveling around the world

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and the virus is so contagious

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and how can this be?

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And we forgot SARS.

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SARS didn't exist between 2005 and 2020.

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It wasn't that wide.

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This cannot be.

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So it's such easy thoughts, you know?

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It's so easy.

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You don't have to know about molecular things.

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You just have to, you just have to think,

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well, if there are viruses and they go around the world,

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they change every year a little bit.

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We have the flu on Australia.

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When I was with a swine flu,

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my first call was to Australia, to a colleague in Australia.

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How is it whether you do you have more cases than usual?

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You should know.

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So I knew what was going on.

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It is, it's really easy

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because when you know how those,

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how those entities, those biological entities,

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where they live, how they live normally,

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you have recognized them and you can observe them.

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And then you see the effects and you can,

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you don't need molecules to understand.

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And when you're from your experience as a doctor,

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how often in his, when you were practicing,

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how often did you actually make a molecular

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or some kind of confirmation with a diagnostic

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that you had a particular virus?

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Or were you always just treating?

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No, there was only flu.

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Yeah, okay.

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But there was one, I started doing some nonsense

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when I started making the H-test, HIV test.

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Because we were frightened.

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I was also frightened.

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I thought there was something very serious to move on.

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And they gave me the HIV test in my ward

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and they said, you can use it.

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And I used it and I found some positive cases.

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But they were all healthy.

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And I never saw someone with an immune deficiency before

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in my region, my whole region where I used to practice.

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Never.

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No, I never got it.

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No, I didn't.

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And suddenly there should be something very new.

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So, but I was trapped then with this big propaganda HIV.

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And I'm very sorry.

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I did many wrong things because of that.

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And I understood, many years later,

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many years later I understood

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that they made this test

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and they produced those cases as they always do cases.

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Isn't it fascinating?

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Isn't that test an antibody test?

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So actually for AIDS, it's an antibody test,

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which is extraordinary because now they sold us antibodies

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as immunity.

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It's extraordinary.

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Yes.

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And it's very, you know what we have to do?

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We have to change the education of doctors.

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Yeah.

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I mean, we do.

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We need to teach them immunology.

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We need to teach them how the immune system works

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so that they come to this conclusion on their own.

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If you, if you really, I mean, I have given a number

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of what I consider to be very broad stroke immune lectures

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that people have said that this is just the best lecture

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I've ever heard because I've explained the immune system

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in a way that that that that explains its organization.

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And I think the one of the things that I stress a lot

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is that the immune system is organized

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from the inside out and it's designed to to maintain a barrier

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between the inside of your body and the outside world.

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And so the immune system is used to meeting challenges

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on that barrier.

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And so in history, if any of these previous immunizations

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have worked, they have worked because they've immunized

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at a barrier, oral vaccines are at a barrier, you know,

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variation with smallpox was at a barrier.

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So you were interacting with the immune system

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and from the direction in which it expects

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to be interacted with and with an intramuscular injection,

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you are taking a signal and putting it

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where the immune system least likely to find it.

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And so it's extraordinary how absurd it is

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that we've moved through this immunization of evolution

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and gotten worse and worse.

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This is what I said in this too.

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But you know this, when it started with the swine flu also,

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they started thinking of giving the flu shot,

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not a flow shot, but giving the spray.

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Oh yeah.

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Because they were recognizing that this could be a way

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they could sell the same nonsense before.

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But what they didn't deal with is there's so much competition

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between those informations we get.

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Our immune system has to find out what is important,

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what is not important.

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So there has to be,

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because there's a limited capacity of immune reaction.

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And so you have to see our immune system has to select.

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There's a really interesting phenomenon that occurred.

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I think you'd find really fascinating as well,

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that in the early 2000s or late 90s,

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there were two basic schools of thought of immunology

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that were funded by the NIH in America.

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The one was pathogen-associated molecular patterns.

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And the other one was damage-associated molecular patterns.

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And now the difference between these two big theories

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is really cool.

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One, the pathogen-associated molecular patterns

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is a theory where the immune system tries to make

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a unique set of memories for every pathogen

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that it comes in contact with.

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The other one, damage-associated molecular patterns,

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was the idea that the immune system tries to generalize

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across challenges to find the molecular motifs

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that are most dangerous.

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Usually hydrophobic ones are charged motifs.

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And so this theory then suggested that in one case,

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the immune system is just making a profile

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of the new things that it finds.

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And in the other case,

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it's trying to generalize across molecular signals,

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and then essentially building a minimum amount of memory.

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And I think there's so much of our understanding

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of the immune system that really suggests

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that minimizing the reaction to anything is ideal.

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And overreaction is the heart of everything going wrong.

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And so interestingly enough,

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we were talking about this an hour ago,

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the funding for damage-associated molecular pattern

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investigation is gone.

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It disappeared in 2005.

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There is no funding of that idea anymore.

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It is exclusively pathogen-associated molecular patterns

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or specific memory, which of course means

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that you need specific vaccines for every specific challenge.

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And that's the extraordinary moment.

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You can have a patent on viruses.

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You can have a patent on the choice of your immune system.

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Yeah.

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It's extraordinary, man,

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because I think this has exposed a very big scam

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that we've all been under the enchantment of

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for a very long time.

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And so we can all just be very humble

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and say we didn't get it for a long time

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and just pull ourselves out.

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Our discussion that reminds me of something

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when we were discussing about the transportation law

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in Germany, there were always those people who said,

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the brain, this is our identity.

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This is what we are, the brain.

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They said, if the brain is dead,

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you can take everything because then the guy is dead.

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And I always think, no, there's something more complicated,

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more identity, much more identity.

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What I am is much more my immune system than my brain.

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So this discussion, it has so many consequences.

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Consequences in regulation, in human,

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in what we think, what is the dignity of man.

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So all this values our society is based on,

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is based on pictures.

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And this picture with the brain, in our thoughts,

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is the thing which makes us the most.

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And there is this other thing,

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which makes us much more humble

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because the immune system is something

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you find everywhere in nature.

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So it's a very good lesson we can learn now.

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How our values are shaped and how they shape our culture

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and our thinking, our living together,

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and our respecting and respecting nature,

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which is around us.

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So I think there is, it's a big chance now

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for developing new ideas.

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I totally agree.

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If the immune system functions well,

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maybe the brain is also part of an immune system

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like that enables you to understand

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infiltration via deception.

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Because if your thoughts function,

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then you understand,

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well, this is not really what I should believe.

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This is bad for me, for my whole body.

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I mean, what we just,

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but people came to see during the crisis.

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I have one question.

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Irreusable complexity of life is reduced

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by the very low possibilities

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that human brain has to understand all this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's a really great question.

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It's a really great way to put it.

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Can I ask you, like, I mean,

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I don't know if you're aware of the work of Dr. Sabina Steber.

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She's been in the committee several times

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and she's been investigating like everything

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that's basically also put into the vaccines

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and what they know,

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what they knew about like the toxic results

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or like the toxic effects that it might have, you know?

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And like, for instance, in Germany,

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we found out that our,

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basically the authority that oversees the, you know,

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the market release and so on of the vaccines,

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the head of that authority, you know,

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has actually published on a variety of issues

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that we now find to be really damaging for people, you know,

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from what we can see.

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And so she has, she has said, you know,

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it's kind of interesting because there's so many aspects put into these vaccines,

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like from, or like the so-called vaccines,

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like from all kinds of angles, like the nano lab lipids and, you know,

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whatever these, these DNA aspects and so on, you know?

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It's amazing.

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And it seems that it's only, I mean,

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you really have to put together such a cocktail of toxic aspects, you know,

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that it's amazing.

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This cannot be coincidence.

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And this must have been worked on by, you know,

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maybe just a few people, very specialized people,

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who could oversee what was, what's going to come from that.

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Maybe they do not have the full picture.

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But I mean, they could see from a variety of studies that are already out there,

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that there's, it's like a cocktail of horror, basically.

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I mean, would you, would you share that opinion?

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I would, I would share a little bit of expanded opinion in the sense that

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I think that this, this operation was so diabolical,

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that they have, they have planned already from the very beginning

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to tell us a biological narrative about a gain-of-function virus

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that actually includes specifically a gain-of-function protein

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with lots of little intricate things that have been inserted in it by really

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master chefs of, of virology.

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And that protein is what we serendipitously decided to

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transfect into everyone's body.

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And so this story was not just by accident.

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This story allows the confounding of the biological effects of the spike protein

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with the biological effects of transfection.

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And I think more than anything, we need to understand that biologically,

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this is a disingenuous connection that was put there on purpose,

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so that they would have a whole series of, of things that we could argue about,

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a very limited but lively spectrum of debate where,

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I'm sure it's the lipid nanoparticles.

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And if we just fix those, it would be better.

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I'm sure it's the spike protein, the spike protein was gain-of-function.

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And so the spike protein is causing all of this.

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And that, that was intentional.

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That confounding was intentional.

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And so this now discussion of were there, were there, uh, graphene particles,

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or is the lipid nanoparticle the problem, or is the DNA contamination the problem?

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I assure you that if the lipid nanoparticles were perfect

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and the spike protein was perfect and everything was made to the finest of standards,

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transfection would still be wholly inappropriate for healthy humans.

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That's where we are.

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And so we're being, they're shuffling all these things on the table

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to try and make us choose which was the, what's responsible when in reality,

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as you said, they've known from the very beginning that they couldn't get the results

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that they said they were going to get.

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Peter Cullis, the man who invented and, and whose research has developed

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these lipid nanoparticles was accepting award, an award all across Canada

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called the Gardineer Award.

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It's like a pre-noble prize award.

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And he was touring Canada, giving lectures about the lipid nanoparticles

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and about how exciting it was that there was soon going to be a Nobel Prize

01:00:06.180 --> 01:00:08.180
and maybe they would get it.

01:00:08.180 --> 01:00:13.180
And he admitted that he killed the career of five postdocs

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that he tried to get them to figure out how to target the lipid nanoparticles

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to a particular place in the body.

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And five postdocs never figured it out.

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And the fifth one insisted that she do something else otherwise she was going to quit.

01:00:28.180 --> 01:00:32.180
And he made a joke about that on stage in 2022,

01:00:32.180 --> 01:00:36.180
knowing that a billion people had been injected with a lipid nanoparticle

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that they were told would stay in the muscle and go disappear in a few weeks.

01:00:41.180 --> 01:00:47.180
That's extraordinary because they burnt, they burnt Byron Bridal's career

01:00:47.180 --> 01:00:52.180
and he revealed that information from a FOIA request from Japan.

01:00:52.180 --> 01:00:55.180
They burnt his career only a year and a half later

01:00:55.180 --> 01:01:00.180
to have the inventor of the frickin' technology go onstage and say it all out.

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And they didn't burn his career.

01:01:02.180 --> 01:01:05.180
They didn't throw him out of the university for admitting it.

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But he admitted it on stage.

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That's where we are.

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It's extraordinary. It is really extraordinary.

01:01:13.180 --> 01:01:17.180
It's all there for the learning and the knowing.

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And it's now just a question of getting people to raise their chin off of their desk

01:01:21.180 --> 01:01:28.180
and put their phone down and understand that we have really been deceived in a major way.

01:01:28.180 --> 01:01:33.180
And I really think it's important to understand that their goal is for us to teach this to our children.

01:01:33.180 --> 01:01:35.180
They don't care about us.

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We have to understand that this goes already for 50 years.

01:01:38.180 --> 01:01:40.180
Yes, absolutely it does.

01:01:41.180 --> 01:01:44.180
And only we can save our children because if we don't,

01:01:44.180 --> 01:01:49.180
our children will grow up having experienced this experience to this pandemic

01:01:49.180 --> 01:01:51.180
and they're done forever.

01:01:51.180 --> 01:01:53.180
It's really a disaster.

01:01:53.180 --> 01:01:56.180
They call the whole thing pandemic preparedness.

01:01:56.180 --> 01:02:00.180
And they prepared what they call a pandemic.

01:02:00.180 --> 01:02:07.180
So it's sadistic.

01:02:08.180 --> 01:02:15.180
The double meaning of pandemic preparedness is very interesting.

01:02:15.180 --> 01:02:16.180
Yeah.

01:02:16.180 --> 01:02:20.180
Can I ask you like in the beginning you said that you'd been after you spoke out

01:02:20.180 --> 01:02:24.180
and then had these problems with the university and so on.

01:02:24.180 --> 01:02:29.180
You said you were visited by people who you consider now to be like medallists.

01:02:29.180 --> 01:02:31.180
I mean, what kind of experience did you make?

01:02:31.180 --> 01:02:36.180
They tried to convince you to maybe give up your train of thought.

01:02:37.180 --> 01:02:38.180
Yes.

01:02:38.180 --> 01:02:39.180
Exactly.

01:02:39.180 --> 01:02:44.180
So it mainly happened in 2021.

01:02:44.180 --> 01:02:49.180
So I was a member of this loose organization called Drastic,

01:02:49.180 --> 01:02:54.180
which was given credit for like solving the lab leak puzzle on Twitter in 2020.

01:02:54.180 --> 01:03:00.180
And that group of people is still largely an anonymous group of medlers who refused,

01:03:00.180 --> 01:03:02.180
literally refused.

01:03:02.180 --> 01:03:05.180
So I'm a member from the very beginning.

01:03:05.180 --> 01:03:11.180
I was the guy who I actually put my name and reviewed several of these papers,

01:03:11.180 --> 01:03:15.180
which got published about the fear and cleavage site and thought I was doing a heroic act

01:03:15.180 --> 01:03:21.180
by reviewing these papers and getting the lab leak hypothesis out there into public.

01:03:21.180 --> 01:03:26.180
And so I was a bit taken hookline and sinker by these people.

01:03:26.180 --> 01:03:35.180
But Drastic at some point refused, absolutely refused to discuss the idea that this

01:03:35.180 --> 01:03:38.180
transfection to a spike protein could be a disaster.

01:03:38.180 --> 01:03:43.180
That could be actually the real reason why this whole mythology was spun up to begin

01:03:43.180 --> 01:03:44.180
with.

01:03:44.180 --> 01:03:48.180
When I started saying that, Drastic split into two groups and both of those groups threw

01:03:48.180 --> 01:03:49.180
me out.

01:03:49.180 --> 01:03:54.180
And so after that happened, interestingly enough, and this is where it gets really

01:03:54.180 --> 01:03:55.180
sketchy.

01:03:55.180 --> 01:03:59.180
And I hope you'll know a little bit of these details so that you'll see why it's so important.

01:03:59.180 --> 01:04:09.180
About two or three months later was when the first hints of the diffuse proposal leak started

01:04:09.180 --> 01:04:10.180
to appear.

01:04:10.180 --> 01:04:15.180
And at some moment, a member of Drastic was given a copy of the diffuse proposal.

01:04:15.180 --> 01:04:22.180
Now the diffuse proposal is supposedly a grant proposal that was written in 2017 and submitted

01:04:22.180 --> 01:04:29.780
by EcoHealth Alliance, the notorious gain of function funders in the United States.

01:04:29.780 --> 01:04:34.780
They submitted this grant to DARPA in 2019 apparently.

01:04:34.780 --> 01:04:41.060
And in this grant, curiously enough, is described an experiment that in the cartoon would be

01:04:41.060 --> 01:04:47.460
exactly how this pandemic would have started complete with bad coronaviruses that were

01:04:47.460 --> 01:04:54.020
molecularly altered to insert a fear and cleavage site at the S1, S2 junction.

01:04:54.020 --> 01:04:59.180
And when this text was first shown to me, the very first thing that went off in my head

01:04:59.180 --> 01:05:03.460
was, well, that's a convenient way of making it, making it real.

01:05:03.460 --> 01:05:07.620
Isn't that a very convenient way of making it real leak a grant proposal that never

01:05:07.620 --> 01:05:08.620
got funded?

01:05:08.620 --> 01:05:14.780
Well, I will tell you that when I ignored that grant proposal, eventually that was intolerable

01:05:14.780 --> 01:05:23.300
and somebody came to my house and physically convinced me to join Drastic again and to

01:05:23.300 --> 01:05:28.140
pursue the origin of the virus because they are hiding this lab leak.

01:05:28.140 --> 01:05:33.220
And so for a few more months, I was kind of in this hamster wheel again, trying to figure

01:05:33.220 --> 01:05:39.300
out if this diffuse proposal was real, but in reality, I have now, I'm firmly on the

01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:44.860
side of this being part of this worst case scenario narrative that they are trying to

01:05:44.860 --> 01:05:45.860
spin up.

01:05:45.860 --> 01:05:50.660
And in fact, the diffuse proposal is still being given wood for its fire.

01:05:50.660 --> 01:05:55.660
There are still people that are doing foyas on the diffuse proposal and still doing analysis

01:05:55.660 --> 01:06:00.300
of the experiments that were proposed in the diffuse proposal, all under the pretense that

01:06:00.300 --> 01:06:05.140
this text, his further evidence that gain of function was happening, that they did it

01:06:05.140 --> 01:06:08.140
and that they were arrogant about it, and that it will come again.

01:06:08.140 --> 01:06:11.980
And so this has always been about that.

01:06:11.980 --> 01:06:16.900
And so every person that has contacted me has been trying to keep me focused on the origin

01:06:16.900 --> 01:06:19.020
and keep me off of transfection.

01:06:19.020 --> 01:06:24.220
And so after a while, that pattern just broke me and I just stopped paying attention.

01:06:24.220 --> 01:06:28.020
But it happened first for more than a year and a half.

01:06:28.020 --> 01:06:34.180
Can you say something about the escape theory?

01:06:34.180 --> 01:06:39.020
I just don't think it's it's I don't think that lab leaks and see and people getting

01:06:39.020 --> 01:06:40.260
sick are not real.

01:06:40.260 --> 01:06:44.500
No, I mean, I mean, the escape theory when you when the virus escapes when you haven't

01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:45.500
ever.

01:06:45.500 --> 01:06:46.500
Oh, yeah.

01:06:46.500 --> 01:06:47.500
Yeah.

01:06:47.500 --> 01:06:48.500
Yeah.

01:06:48.500 --> 01:06:50.540
So this is one of those things that I think is also part of the the illusion.

01:06:50.540 --> 01:06:55.540
So remember that one of the things that they convinced us of is that this virus wasn't

01:06:55.540 --> 01:07:00.540
here before 2019 and then it was here in the end of 2019.

01:07:00.540 --> 01:07:07.220
So what that means from the perspective of the of the phylogenetic tree is that the

01:07:07.220 --> 01:07:11.940
final phylogenetic tree started at a point and then it grew over the last five years from

01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:14.700
one point all over the world, one point all over the world.

01:07:14.700 --> 01:07:17.900
Well, no other, no other points where viruses grow, right?

01:07:17.900 --> 01:07:19.140
No other points from one.

01:07:19.140 --> 01:07:20.140
Yes.

01:07:20.140 --> 01:07:21.140
They can only grow from who?

01:07:21.140 --> 01:07:22.140
Right.

01:07:22.140 --> 01:07:25.900
And so the interesting thing about that is is that it assumes that as you've said before

01:07:25.900 --> 01:07:29.980
that there's no other signal in the background that could be mixed with this one, that there

01:07:29.980 --> 01:07:35.060
is no other signal that we could have been monitoring in 2019 or 2018 that we weren't

01:07:35.060 --> 01:07:36.740
monitoring because we weren't.

01:07:36.740 --> 01:07:39.140
We weren't doing any PCR surveillance.

01:07:39.140 --> 01:07:42.700
We weren't doing any sequence surveillance of any coronavirus.

01:07:42.700 --> 01:07:47.780
So as far as we know, there were 50 SARS viruses in circulation before the pandemic.

01:07:47.780 --> 01:07:51.540
And then they came up with a test and said, now this is evidence of spread.

01:07:51.540 --> 01:07:57.620
And so the important thing to for I think for us to now send as a message is that one

01:07:57.620 --> 01:08:02.820
of the ways they trapped us in this was convincing us that arguing about what this

01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:05.500
signal meant was so important.

01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:12.420
And so arguing about whether whether it means that there's novel spread or whether it means

01:08:12.420 --> 01:08:15.620
it's a background signal that that discussion never occurred.

01:08:15.620 --> 01:08:20.060
The discussion that occurred was, are we using the right primers?

01:08:20.060 --> 01:08:22.620
Are we overcycling these tests?

01:08:23.180 --> 01:08:28.140
So the questions that we were primed to ask actually made us accept the fact that the

01:08:28.140 --> 01:08:32.820
tests work had actually made us accept the fact that there was something to test for had

01:08:32.820 --> 01:08:36.980
actually made us accept the fact that there was an emergency when in reality what we should

01:08:36.980 --> 01:08:41.060
have been asking in the original is what would have happened if we use these tests six months

01:08:41.060 --> 01:08:42.060
ago?

01:08:42.060 --> 01:08:43.060
Would we find the same signal?

01:08:43.060 --> 01:08:45.260
And if that's the case, then what are we all worried about?

01:08:45.260 --> 01:08:47.500
But we never asked that question on purpose.

01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:48.740
They did it on purpose.

01:08:48.740 --> 01:08:50.100
They were very clever.

01:08:50.100 --> 01:08:57.380
You know that they make monitoring of our of the risks we live in while while just examining

01:08:57.380 --> 01:09:00.100
the wastewater.

01:09:00.100 --> 01:09:03.500
And that's honestly that would be the easiest thing to spike ever.

01:09:03.500 --> 01:09:07.740
You could spike the wastewater with DNA of any signal you wanted and then claim, look,

01:09:07.740 --> 01:09:08.940
there's Marburg in the sewer.

01:09:08.940 --> 01:09:11.820
I mean, it would be so easy to do it.

01:09:11.820 --> 01:09:12.820
A joke.

01:09:12.820 --> 01:09:14.660
This is why they do it.

01:09:14.660 --> 01:09:18.980
And they invest a lot of money and all the cities in Germany, they all started.

01:09:18.980 --> 01:09:19.980
They all make this.

01:09:19.980 --> 01:09:21.220
They all follow this nonsense.

01:09:21.220 --> 01:09:22.940
They give a lot of money for this.

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Yeah, wow.

01:09:23.940 --> 01:09:25.580
I don't even know what to say.

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We have to be aware of new risks, they say.

01:09:28.140 --> 01:09:33.740
And we have to have we have to monitor our sewer so so we can find out what's happening.

01:09:33.740 --> 01:09:39.900
Oh, I mean, this is really a very, very slippery slope to just declaring whatever they want

01:09:39.900 --> 01:09:41.700
to declare whenever they want to declare.

01:09:41.700 --> 01:09:42.700
Yes.

01:09:42.700 --> 01:09:48.060
And Robert Koch Institute is one of the first who says it and you have to do it.

01:09:48.060 --> 01:09:49.060
We want to be safe.

01:09:49.060 --> 01:09:50.060
Oh, my.

01:09:50.060 --> 01:09:52.060
Oh, it's terrible.

01:09:52.060 --> 01:09:53.060
Yes.

01:09:53.060 --> 01:09:59.660
What I think is what's very interesting is that, you know, when you say there were also

01:09:59.660 --> 01:10:07.060
certain stories or like trains of thought like presented with regards to the virus and

01:10:07.060 --> 01:10:13.060
so on, there must have been someone thinking about how can we distract these people, you

01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:19.020
know, like, how can we control also the scientific conversation, the discussion, you know,

01:10:19.020 --> 01:10:23.020
like, I mean, as you said, like maybe with the, okay, maybe that was a coincidence with

01:10:23.020 --> 01:10:24.020
the graphene idea.

01:10:24.020 --> 01:10:30.500
I don't know, you know, maybe was just someone looking for the wrong ingredients or something

01:10:30.500 --> 01:10:34.660
or had like a no, but I think it's actually more likely, I think it's actually more likely

01:10:34.660 --> 01:10:39.700
to be true because if there was graphene in one particular lot that somebody could find

01:10:39.700 --> 01:10:44.780
and show videos of, and it wasn't in any other lot so that they could debunk this all

01:10:44.780 --> 01:10:48.940
around the world, it's a perfect argument that gets nobody anywhere.

01:10:48.940 --> 01:10:51.300
And the longer you argue about it, the better.

01:10:51.300 --> 01:10:52.300
Yes.

01:10:52.300 --> 01:10:57.900
And the next time you do something into the job with where you can find something in the

01:10:57.900 --> 01:11:07.700
G5, with some, with your iPhone, you can try and the magnetic, the story with the magnetic

01:11:07.700 --> 01:11:08.700
...

01:11:08.700 --> 01:11:09.700
Absolutely.

01:11:09.700 --> 01:11:10.700
Yeah.

01:11:10.700 --> 01:11:15.140
All those stories where we were discussing, which we were discussing, they could have

01:11:15.140 --> 01:11:20.460
thought it in advance, they could have installed all these stories to distract us from what

01:11:20.460 --> 01:11:21.460
they do.

01:11:21.460 --> 01:11:22.460
Absolutely.

01:11:22.460 --> 01:11:28.740
I think that also the effects and the dangers that I think are real of 5G have been purposely

01:11:28.740 --> 01:11:34.060
confounded with the virus on purpose to try and, to try and again, get people to argue

01:11:34.060 --> 01:11:39.180
about stuff that they can never figure out, instead of arguing about the very simple fact

01:11:39.180 --> 01:11:43.980
that they are lying to us about a spreading risk, at the risk, additive pathogen.

01:11:43.980 --> 01:11:44.980
Yeah.

01:11:44.980 --> 01:11:50.860
And everything, those, everything which has, has a syllable smart in front, it's dangerous.

01:11:50.860 --> 01:11:53.780
Oh, well, they're going to get us with convenience, right?

01:11:53.780 --> 01:11:54.780
It's so convenient.

01:11:54.780 --> 01:11:58.020
You'll never have to, you'll never have to enter a password again, it'll just be a chip

01:11:58.020 --> 01:11:59.460
under your skin.

01:11:59.460 --> 01:12:04.020
That's the, that's the convenience of it.

01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:10.900
I am, I am absolutely thrilled that we have so much connection here and that we see it this

01:12:10.900 --> 01:12:11.900
way.

01:12:12.900 --> 01:12:16.820
I, what is it like to be a guy who saw this in 2009?

01:12:16.820 --> 01:12:21.620
You've been trapped in this little hell for, for 15 or 20 years where most of us are just

01:12:21.620 --> 01:12:23.540
recently waking up.

01:12:23.540 --> 01:12:27.340
I only really figured it out in 2022 as well as I have.

01:12:27.340 --> 01:12:34.420
I gave my kids their vaccinations before they went to their new school in 2022 and then watched

01:12:34.420 --> 01:12:39.900
the movie vaxxed and realized that, wow, no problem, I'm a little bit older than you.

01:12:39.900 --> 01:12:41.940
So I started a little bit before you.

01:12:41.940 --> 01:12:43.780
Yeah, I see.

01:12:43.780 --> 01:12:47.620
I mean, but it's, it must've been, I mean, I guess what I'm trying to get at is is that

01:12:47.620 --> 01:12:52.940
when you spoke out in 2009, there wasn't this global awareness of anything.

01:12:52.940 --> 01:12:56.500
It was very easy for them to kind of hide you in the noise.

01:12:56.500 --> 01:13:00.620
And although I think locally it was important what you did, I don't think the story really

01:13:00.620 --> 01:13:07.660
ever penetrated the, the media in America at all, whereas now this global thing has sort

01:13:07.660 --> 01:13:14.420
of, I think made it possible in a way for, you know, people like me, I don't think I

01:13:14.420 --> 01:13:18.860
would have been able to, to sustain speaking out in 2009 because there wouldn't have been

01:13:18.860 --> 01:13:19.860
enough momentum.

01:13:19.860 --> 01:13:21.860
There wouldn't have been enough feedback.

01:13:21.860 --> 01:13:26.820
I would have felt like I was shouting into the breeze, whereas now, I mean, look, I get

01:13:26.820 --> 01:13:30.740
to talk to you or I don't think in 2009 this would have even been possible.

01:13:30.740 --> 01:13:33.300
So that's also a thing to be hopeful about.

01:13:33.300 --> 01:13:35.020
So this is an advantage, you know.

01:13:35.020 --> 01:13:36.020
Yeah.

01:13:36.140 --> 01:13:42.900
I talk to so many people I would never, never been the chance to talk to is so I'm so happy

01:13:42.900 --> 01:13:45.100
to experience all this for myself.

01:13:45.100 --> 01:13:48.620
If I'm agristic, I learned so much in those last years.

01:13:48.620 --> 01:13:50.540
I never learned so much before.

01:13:50.540 --> 01:13:51.540
Yeah.

01:13:51.540 --> 01:13:52.540
I think it is really wonderful.

01:13:52.540 --> 01:13:58.220
I mean, that's definitely one of the, the more twisted things about this is, is that

01:13:58.220 --> 01:14:02.820
it has been a superior learning experience indeed.

01:14:02.820 --> 01:14:07.700
I haven't loved biology as much as I've loved it in the last three years because I feel

01:14:07.700 --> 01:14:10.620
like I'm actually, I'm actually doing it again.

01:14:10.620 --> 01:14:12.700
So that's really cool.

01:14:12.700 --> 01:14:16.580
I'm happy about that, but, but it's getting rough.

01:14:16.580 --> 01:14:23.180
I was working for Children's Health Defense for about, so I helped Bobby Kennedy with,

01:14:23.180 --> 01:14:27.700
with his, with his book about the lab leak and I tried to get a little bit of this biology

01:14:27.700 --> 01:14:28.700
in there.

01:14:28.700 --> 01:14:31.860
There's some biology about how RNA can't pandemic in that book.

01:14:32.860 --> 01:14:37.220
Then after the book, I got hired by Children's Health Defense, but I was only working there

01:14:37.220 --> 01:14:41.260
for six months before they laid me off again, presumably because of the things that I'm

01:14:41.260 --> 01:14:42.260
still saying.

01:14:42.260 --> 01:14:48.100
It wasn't really clear exactly why, but it's been pretty disappointing because I thought

01:14:48.100 --> 01:14:51.860
I had kind of a dream job and I'd figured it out and I'd got a better foundation under

01:14:51.860 --> 01:14:57.180
me and I was going to push forward and then out of nowhere the first week of January,

01:14:57.180 --> 01:14:58.660
they said they're going to part ways with me.

01:14:59.660 --> 01:15:03.700
So I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic that that means I'm over the target and then I'm teaching

01:15:03.700 --> 01:15:10.500
what I need to teach, but my family and, and our future is a little bit less, less solid

01:15:10.500 --> 01:15:11.980
ground than we were a month ago.

01:15:11.980 --> 01:15:18.260
So that's, that's unfortunate, but this is, this is high hope optimism to the 10th power

01:15:18.260 --> 01:15:19.260
meeting you.

01:15:19.260 --> 01:15:23.620
I mean, I don't, I know that you're a guy who doesn't see yourself that way, but from,

01:15:23.620 --> 01:15:28.140
from my little life and my little corner of the world, you really are a giant among giants

01:15:28.140 --> 01:15:32.700
and I can't thank you enough for, for talking to me.

01:15:32.700 --> 01:15:40.700
I guess that's, that's too much of a, you know, nothing, nothing, I speak Dutch.

01:15:40.700 --> 01:15:43.220
So I can understand that German.

01:15:43.220 --> 01:15:49.460
Okay, well, I mean, thanks so much for all the work and, you know, also your courage to

01:15:49.460 --> 01:15:55.180
really, you know, speak out and, and not be distracted, like from, from all these, you

01:15:55.180 --> 01:16:00.580
know, these, these, whatever they present as a narrative for like aspects of that.

01:16:00.580 --> 01:16:01.940
I have one last question.

01:16:01.940 --> 01:16:10.100
The disease X that is now kind of hovering in the, in the near side.

01:16:10.100 --> 01:16:13.580
That's also, I mean, in your point of view, I guess that's another story.

01:16:13.580 --> 01:16:18.300
Well, again, remember that I'm not suggesting to you that they can't make a lot of it.

01:16:18.300 --> 01:16:23.660
And so they can make a lot of, of an RNA and they could transfect hundreds or thousands

01:16:23.660 --> 01:16:28.740
of people in any given place using any number of, of known methodologies of aerosolizing

01:16:28.740 --> 01:16:32.500
the RNA or spraying it on people or droplets of it.

01:16:32.500 --> 01:16:33.780
I don't know how they would do it.

01:16:33.780 --> 01:16:35.980
They, they, they, they, can you eat it?

01:16:35.980 --> 01:16:36.980
You could eat it.

01:16:36.980 --> 01:16:37.980
Maybe.

01:16:37.980 --> 01:16:38.980
I don't know.

01:16:38.980 --> 01:16:41.980
But the point would be is that they can make this RNA, they can make this DNA in high

01:16:41.980 --> 01:16:44.140
quantities and then put it in places.

01:16:44.140 --> 01:16:45.860
Will it make people sick?

01:16:45.860 --> 01:16:46.860
Maybe.

01:16:46.860 --> 01:16:48.860
Will it make PCR test positive?

01:16:48.860 --> 01:16:49.860
Absolutely.

01:16:49.860 --> 01:16:51.580
Will it make sequencing high fidelity?

01:16:51.580 --> 01:16:52.580
Absolutely.

01:16:52.580 --> 01:16:55.580
They'd be able to find it in lots of places, absolutely.

01:16:55.580 --> 01:17:02.660
And so what I think we need to understand is that although an RNA molecule can't become

01:17:02.660 --> 01:17:09.260
disease X on its own with standard molecular biological techniques used in pharmaceutical

01:17:09.260 --> 01:17:14.340
companies all around the world, they could make enough of DNA and RNA to create the illusion

01:17:14.340 --> 01:17:15.340
of that.

01:17:15.340 --> 01:17:16.340
And that's the dangerous part.

01:17:16.340 --> 01:17:21.220
They can make a protein that's highly immunogenic and they could, they could put that protein

01:17:21.220 --> 01:17:25.300
into something and they could use a toxin to and then lie about it.

01:17:25.300 --> 01:17:30.340
Like there's lots of ways that they could make disease X show up that doesn't have anything

01:17:30.340 --> 01:17:35.540
to do with an RNA molecule perpetuating itself for years.

01:17:35.540 --> 01:17:38.780
That's, that's the biology we need to teach our kids because that's what disease X is.

01:17:38.780 --> 01:17:41.780
It's just an extension of this mythology.

01:17:41.780 --> 01:17:44.140
Yeah, that's right.

01:17:44.140 --> 01:17:45.740
So we got to watch out.

01:17:45.740 --> 01:17:46.740
Yeah.

01:17:46.740 --> 01:17:49.220
Thanks so much for, for being with us today.

01:17:49.220 --> 01:17:54.980
It's, yeah, it's been very inspirational also, I think on a lot of levels and I guess

01:17:54.980 --> 01:17:58.740
we just have to continue speaking out about what's going on.

01:17:58.740 --> 01:17:59.740
I agree.

01:17:59.740 --> 01:18:02.260
If you could share the, if you could share the link when you have it, I would, I would

01:18:02.260 --> 01:18:03.260
spread it out too.

01:18:03.260 --> 01:18:04.260
Yeah, we will.

01:18:04.260 --> 01:18:05.260
Thank you very much.

01:18:05.260 --> 01:18:06.260
We will.

01:18:06.260 --> 01:18:08.540
Thanks a lot and keep up the good work.

01:18:08.540 --> 01:18:09.540
Okay, I will.

01:18:09.540 --> 01:18:10.540
Thank you very much.

01:18:10.540 --> 01:18:11.540
Thank you.

01:18:11.540 --> 01:18:12.540
Thank you very much too.

01:18:12.540 --> 01:18:13.540
Bye bye.

01:18:13.540 --> 01:18:14.540
Thank you.

01:18:14.540 --> 01:18:15.540
Bye bye.

01:18:15.540 --> 01:18:16.540
Bye.

01:18:16.540 --> 01:18:17.540
Bye.

01:18:17.540 --> 01:18:18.540
Yeah.

01:18:18.540 --> 01:18:20.300
I don't even know what to say about that.

01:18:20.300 --> 01:18:22.940
I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to hang up before I start crying.

01:18:22.940 --> 01:18:24.420
Thank you very much for joining me.

01:18:24.420 --> 01:18:25.420
Thanks for being here.

01:18:25.420 --> 01:18:26.420
Live for that.

01:18:26.420 --> 01:18:27.740
I'm probably going to stream later.

01:18:27.740 --> 01:18:28.740
I got to decompress.

01:18:28.740 --> 01:18:32.300
I need some lunch and I need a coffee.

01:18:32.300 --> 01:18:33.300
That was just crazy.

01:18:33.300 --> 01:18:37.300
I just, I didn't, I had a bunch of stuff written down, but I never really said any

01:18:37.300 --> 01:18:38.300
of it.

01:18:38.300 --> 01:18:41.380
And I just kind of shot from the hip.

01:18:41.380 --> 01:18:45.620
So we'll see what it is on the replay and thank you very much for joining me.

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Have a good afternoon and I'll see you later.

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Thanks.