Stream.Transcripts/twitch/1941132307 (2023-10-02) - Denis Rancourt and Peter McCullough PhD COUNCIL FIRE -- 30 Sept 2023/1941132307 (2023-10-02) - Denis Rancourt and Peter McCullough PhD COUNCIL FIRE -- 30 Sept 2023 -- Gigaohm Biological High Resistance Low Noise Information Brief.vtt

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to unfortunately go on another show.

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Dr. Rancourt, it's so nice to meet you.

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Same here, same here, can I call you Peter?

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Sure, thank you, shall we do that?

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Sure, so I thought maybe this would be an opportunity

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to present your recent paper,

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particularly in light of the claim today

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that the Nobel Prize messenger RNA saved

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a minimum of 14 million lives.

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Right, yeah, no, I'd be happy to.

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Did they actually claim that number, Peter?

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14 million, no way.

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Oh my gosh, is that a Nobel announcement

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or some media report or?

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Media report, but they're all following the same script.

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Yeah, there was an article that claimed

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that kind of number, I guess.

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Yeah, it's a 14 to 25 million, if I recall correctly.

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Right, right.

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So I'll just very quickly say the result of our work

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in that regard and then we can interact about it.

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Okay, all right, let's go ahead and hit it.

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Yep.

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You'll go ahead, we're already on.

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I'm not fooling around here.

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You guys are too important for me,

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so I already, you didn't say anything crazy already,

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so go ahead and start, please.

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There you go, we're just starting, okay.

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I am thrilled to be on the program.

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Jay and Dr. Rancourt, thank you so much.

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It's an honor to meet you for the first time.

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Yeah, you know, the world has been very interested

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in your ecological analysis that involved countries

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in the Southern Hemisphere.

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Can you give us a capsule of that,

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of what that paper showed?

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I'd love to, Peter, if I may.

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I'm also thrilled to meet you for the first time,

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even though it's a virtual meeting.

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But here we go, I've been working on all cause mortality

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for a long time.

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Our first paper on the subject was put out

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in June of 2020.

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And in that paper, we said immediately

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that there were hotspots of immediate mortality

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that were synchronous with the announcement

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of the pandemic on the 11th of March, 2020.

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And we said these immediate surges of mortality

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that occur only in hotspots, New York, Northern Italy,

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Madrid, a few places like that, and nowhere else.

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There was nothing like it in 30 of the US states

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that that mortality was inconsistent

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with the spreading respiratory disease.

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It couldn't be that because it was synchronous

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around the world.

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And it was, so it was very granular and synchronous

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and it didn't spread.

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So that was our immediate conclusion

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when we started looking at this all cause mortality back then.

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Well, let me respond to that.

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You know, I was in the thick of it early on

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in the pandemic, you know, trying to innovate

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with ways of helping people.

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But like every other person in America,

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I was watching CNN or any newscast

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and I was watching this mortality meter

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in the upper right-hand part of the screen.

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And let me tell you, when one of my patients dies,

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from the time they die to the time

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I completely finished the death certificate

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and have it registered in the system,

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it's about six weeks.

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So I was wondering how could these instantaneous deaths

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come up on a scoreboard because they each have a six week life?

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Oh, Peter, this is very important.

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We have to be very careful here.

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I'm talking about all cause mortality.

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So that means irrespective of any cause of death

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that anyone might assign.

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In other words, I'm talking about.

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Even when I'm saying the deaths don't get recorded

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until the death certificate is completed.

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Really?

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Yeah, so the idea is there's always a six week.

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No, the databases that I'm working from,

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they actually give you the date of death.

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Now, the certificate might go into the system late,

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but the data is, the actual data is by date of death.

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In other words, sure, there's a lag

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in terms of when you get the certificates in.

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Sometimes there's a lag of as much as a couple of months.

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And so you're updating the mortality data as we go.

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And it's typically a month or two late, you see,

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but then once it goes into the system,

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it's by date of death.

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Right, I know, but even the National Death Index,

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I think runs about six months behind.

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So when deaths occur,

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it's possible that if someone dies in the hospital,

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there may be a more immediate reporting system,

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but most of the time there's no, no, no, but let me explain.

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There's a misunderstanding here.

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See, what I'm talking about is,

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I mean, I'm sitting here in June doing my study, okay?

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And so this is after the 11th of March, 2020.

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No, I understand.

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I'm just telling you real world.

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I'm just wasting the question.

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Real world in March of 2020,

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we were seeing deaths go up every day.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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And it's, I was wondering how in the world

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are those data feeds that simultaneous

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with this lag of a month or two months afterwards?

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Well, you know, in terms of reporting

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so-called COVID deaths in the media or on the TV screens,

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they can be reporting whatever they want,

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but actual official all-cause mortality data

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is the total of deaths for that day in a given jurisdiction.

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So what they might or might not be doing that,

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that pops up on your screen in terms of deaths

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and what those deaths mean, I don't know,

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but I'm working from robust data,

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which is actual all-cause mortality,

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deaths assigned to a given date and it's by day.

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And then some jurisdictions, when they report it,

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they'll give it to you by week.

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Some will give it to you by month

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if it's a smaller jurisdiction

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and they want better statistics,

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but you see it after the fact.

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You have to gather it, collate it,

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and you know up to when it is reliable

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according to the people that are providing the data, you see.

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So up to that date, you've got good data

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and that data never changes

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and that data has been reliable

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since they've been doing this for a hundred years now.

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It's very robust, very reliable data

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and it is collected irrespective of the cause of death.

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So this is just total deaths, okay?

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And then so what you do then is you look at the patterning time

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of those deaths in a given jurisdiction.

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It can be one state in the US,

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it can be the whole country or another country

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and you follow it as a function of time

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and what you will see immediately

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is that in Northern latitude countries,

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it has a seasonal pattern, a very clear seasonal pattern.

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There are always far more deaths in the winter

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than in the summer.

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So there's a winter peak in all cause mortality,

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then you go down to a summer trough

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and this pattern has been known for a hundred years.

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And what's interesting is in the Southern Hemisphere,

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that pattern is reversed

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because they're winters in our summer.

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So they get their maximum of deaths

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in that seasonal pattern during their winter,

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which is our summer.

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And this is a phenomenon that's well known,

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it's basic epidemiology,

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it's been known for a hundred years, it's very striking

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and it's not completely understood exactly why that is, okay?

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There are various models as to why the deaths

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are always higher in the winter,

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including deaths that are related to cardiac problems.

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The only deaths that don't follow that pattern

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are the main tumor type cancer deaths.

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They don't have a seasonal pattern,

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but everything else, the infections, the heart attacks,

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everything that is sensitive to stress, I guess,

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stress induced, they all have a very clear seasonal pattern,

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okay, in terms of mortality.

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And so you know what to expect

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because you have a pattern that you can see for a hundred years

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and you can see it up and down and up and down

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is very regular.

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And then COVID hits and they announce a pandemic,

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they declare a pandemic on the 11th of March 2020

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and you get an immediate surge in that all-cause mortality

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in certain hotspots.

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So only occurring in New York, Northern Italy, Madrid,

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Stockholm, a few places like that,

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very intense, very sharp surges of all-cause mortality

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right after they announced the pandemic.

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So the fact that it is coordinated,

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the fact that the timing of the event

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is related to a political event,

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the announcement of a pandemic

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and that it is synchronous around the world

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and that it's only in those hotspots

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from our perspective,

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this cannot be the spread of a viral respiratory disease

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because it's well known that the time from seeding

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of a new pathogen in a population

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to when you get an actual surge in mortality,

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that time is extremely sensitive to the details

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of the population, of the society,

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of how they contact each other and so on

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and it can vary by months or years even.

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So to have synchronicity like that is impossible

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even with modern airplanes

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because even if you send out flights from the source

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all at the same time,

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then that's the seeding where they land

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but then the time between that original seeding

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to when you'll get a surge in mortality

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is highly dependent on the local circumstances.

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So you can't have synchronicity like that.

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So this was clearly not related to COVID like spread

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or anything like that at the beginning.

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So that was the first thing we noticed

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and then we kept studying all-cause mortality.

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I've written more than 30 papers

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on COVID related things analyzing data and so on.

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And what we find Dr. McCullough is that

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the excess all-cause mortality

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is inconsistent with a viral respiratory spread,

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absolutely inconsistent with it

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because it does not cross borders.

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If you look at European countries

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or states in the United States,

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you can have mortality in one jurisdiction

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and it stops at the border and is not in the other.

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So this mortality at the beginning

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was related to what was being done in those jurisdictions.

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So for example, we wrote a paper with John Johnson

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at Harvard University, we co-authored a paper

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where we showed that when you compare U.S. states

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if you take states that share a border

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and one locked down and the other didn't

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they all cause mortality in the lockdown state

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even though they're very similar

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and they're sharing a border is always higher,

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significantly higher than in the non-lock down state.

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So we're able to, we have a lot of reason

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to come to the very firm conclusion

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that what I believe now is that all of the excess

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all-cause mortality that occurred

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before the vaccines were rolled out

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between when they announced to that time

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is all due to lack of treatment

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and aggressive medical protocols in big hospitals

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and aggressive government measures

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that isolated people and stressed them out

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and including very vulnerable people

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like the 11 million who are disabled

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by serious mental illness in the United States,

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that kind of thing.

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So when you look at the age structure of this mortality

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and its geographical distribution

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and its association with all these things

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that they know were being done in these jurisdictions

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we have concluded that there was,

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there is no evidence for a particularly virulent

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new pathogen that was spreading

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that in fact all of the excess mortality

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everywhere we've looked in the world

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can be understood in terms of

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this is what happens when you do this to people.

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This is what happens when you stop treating them

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for all the usual things that they have

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and when you destroy their lives and stress them out

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and force them to be isolated

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this is what you get, you get this kind of mortality.

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And so this mortality is very heterogeneous

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until you start roll out the vaccines.

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Then once you start rolling out the vaccines

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because that was done pretty much simultaneously

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around the world, you have everywhere

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an increase in all-cause mortality.

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You move into a regime of higher all-cause mortality

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and then you stay there while you're rolling out the vaccines

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and then every time you roll out a booster

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you get a peak, an extra peak in all-cause mortality

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associated in time with that booster.

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And this is stunning, we see this

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and you can do it by age group.

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So you can look at the 90 plus year olds

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or the 80 to 90 year olds and so on.

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And you see a very sharp booster rollout

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because they did it very quickly in a given jurisdiction

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and immediately follows it

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is a very sharp unprecedented peak in all-cause mortality.

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So this is extremely clear, it cannot be an accident

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and therefore you can quantify it.

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You can say, well, how many deaths occurred

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given how many injections you gave?

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So that's what we do, we've been quantifying it.

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And what's surprisingly is what we find

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is that around the world in every jurisdiction

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we've now looked at over 100 countries,

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the mortality risk per injection

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is pretty much the same everywhere.

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So all ages, it's about 0.1%.

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So one, actually we refined it recently

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is 0.126% with an error bar on it.

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And so that means that for every 800 injections,

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one person will die.

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So it's one person per 800 injections.

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Now the important thing is that that risk of death

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per injection is not uniform with age.

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It increases exponentially with age

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and it is dramatically higher the older you are.

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The doubling time by age is four to five years of age.

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Every four to five years of extra age that you have,

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your risk of dying per injection doubles.

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So we hear about the deaths in young athletes and others,

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but I've always been struck by the McLachlan analysis

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from Queens University very early on using the VAERS.

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It was the only VAERS analysis

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that read every single vignette

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and then adjudicated the two different adjudicators

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and they had an agreement process

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to finally adjudicate the death.

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And they only had about 1,200 deaths

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at that point in time in VAERS.

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And what was striking is,

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that was when it was being rolled out in the nursing homes

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in January, February, March.

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It was the seniors, just as you said, that were dying.

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And in the McLachlan analysis,

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it was striking how quick it was.

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There was something like 16% or so died within a few hours.

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Of those who died died within a few hours of the shot.

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A large fraction was within 24 hours.

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And so it was almost as if the reactor genicity of the shot

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or the early production of the spike protein

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from the genetic material we know this occurs within an hour.

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We know it's circulatory in the bloodstream.

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It's simply not this lethal protein

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just is not tolerated by the elderly.

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It makes sense.

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In the McLachlan analysis,

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86% of the time there was no other explanation.

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They were in their usual state of health.

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They took the vaccine and then they succumbed to death.

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Absolutely.

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We also studied the VAERS data of the United States.

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And it's very, very clear that the deaths that do occur,

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most of them, there's a peak around three or four or five days

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from vaccination.

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It's very clear, as you say,

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that's clear in the VAERS data as it is.

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And also the VAERS data shows dependence on age

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that is exponential.

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We wrote a little paper about that.

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So it's seen directly in the VAERS data.

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But what's important to realize is that now that we've

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quantified it on the scale of entire populations,

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using these peaks, we now know that the risk of death

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is much higher than what you would conclude

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from the VAERS data.

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It's much higher than that because it's,

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well, as I said, so it's, if you use our numbers,

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it would correspond to more than 0.2%

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of the world population that would have died

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from a direct result of being injected

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in the last, less than three years.

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It would have been 17 million, 17 million people.

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It would have been.

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17 million, right.

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That's a roundabout number I've heard.

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In the United States, in the domestic VAERS data,

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we're at over 18,000 deaths that the CDC,

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now when we report a death,

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and I've reported a death to the VAERS system

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as a practicing doctor.

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So I know what it takes and the CDC does receive it.

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It gets a temporary VAERS number.

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It waits for the death certificate.

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Again, that's six weeks later, comes in.

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And then it ultimately gets a permanent VAERS number.

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So what's up in VAERS for permanent VAERS number deaths?

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It's about 18,000, 1,100.

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It's within the first day of the shot.

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Okay, so it's very tightly temply related.

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In the FDA testimony at the VRBAC meetings,

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independent scientists have put a under-reporting factor

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on the deaths at about 30.

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In the peer-reviewed literature, there's one paper

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that is pointing to 40 as a number.

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But if we take 30, we're looking at just under 600,000

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Americans dying with the vaccine.

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We're about 4% of the U.S. population.

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So when you kind of do that number,

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you're gonna get out there to that 20 million number.

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Very close.

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That's one approach is to try to estimate

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the under-reporting in VAERS.

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That's a very, it's a relatively tenuous approach

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because there's a lot of uncertainty involved

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in trying to do that.

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One thing that's different is that the culture,

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the propaganda, is very, very different before the pandemic

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is declared and then after the pandemic is declared.

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And that has a big influence on whether or not MDs

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will report and so on and people also,

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whether or not people feel that the person that died,

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it could have been that and so on.

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So it's very hard to estimate that under-reporting rate

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and it will be different for deaths

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and for a major adverse reaction and so on.

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So that's a difficult thing to do

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but I respect people who try to do that.

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Yeah, it's difficult.

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It's just one of many methods.

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The practical aspects of it are you're right.

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In VAERS, paper by Meister and colleagues from 2016

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said about 86% of the reports are by a doctor,

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a healthcare worker or a pharmaceutical company

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which can report to VAERS.

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So you know, individuals don't report.

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I can tell you, I practically can't do the report

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unless I have the vaccine card.

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So many deaths at home that are brought in,

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you know, there's just no way I'm gonna have the vaccine card.

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It's just, I just can't do it.

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So it really has to be a patient under my care.

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I have to suspect it.

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The family has to provide the vaccine card.

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Then I go through the laborious part of doing the entry.

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Now, it's interesting in the first year of the pandemic,

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there was a paper using census data

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in vaccine administration,

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it's ecological analysis, pentas, octos and cell equipment.

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You know, they came up with a number

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around 170 or so 1,000 people,

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Americans died of the vaccine in the first year.

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And then Mark Skidmore using social networks,

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a different analysis.

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He came up with about 278,000 individuals.

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And now this VAERS underreporting,

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again, divide that 600 by, you know, by the 2021 numbers.

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We have about three sources of evidence.

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Well, we calculated the risk of dying per injection.

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And we estimated the best value for the United States.

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And we came up with a number of about 300,000 deaths

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that would have been, that would have been.

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In what overall or just in 2021?

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That at the time that we wrote the paper,

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it's almost, no, no, no, I mean vaccine deaths.

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Yeah.

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It would be a little bit more now

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because there have been more vaccinations and so on.

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But it was roughly that kind of number.

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It was at the time, the same time

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that Mark Skidmore had published his paper,

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we were publishing ours at the same time

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and we came up with the same number.

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Basically.

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No, no, because we have a national death index

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and because we have vaccine administration data

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and in some countries like, you know, Denmark,

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I just visited Denmark have exquisite data systems.

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It's simply merging the vaccine administration data

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and the death data and doing, you know,

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a reasonable temporal analysis.

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You know, I've led, you know,

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over two dozen day safety monitoring boards

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for novel drugs, devices, other things,

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for the FDA, for the NIH, for BARDA.

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And we always use a 30 day empiric number.

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So any death that comes within 30 days

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of an experimental product,

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it just counted on the product period.

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We don't have to go weeding through any jurisdiction,

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any country that has a detailed data set of deaths

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and that for those individuals who died,

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you can know when they were vaccinated with this vaccine

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and how many times they were vaccinated.

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That would be extremely helpful.

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That would be the golden data, right?

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That would be.

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Listen, there are easily three dozen countries

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that have that and they've been pushed.

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So the United States has formerly been pushed

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by myself and others to merge the data.

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They won't do that.

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I met with Dr. Manicki,

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Vervechi Manicki in Denmark.

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They clearly can do it.

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And there's not a single country

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that will merge the vaccine administration data

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with the death data.

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Yes.

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Well, there you go.

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That's one of the problems.

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And one of the best things we can do at this stage

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without having that merged data

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is what we're doing.

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You all cause mortality by the time.

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And very important.

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Now, all cause mortality just quickly

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in terms of causes of death in general

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before the pandemic in Westernized countries,

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it's about 40% known cancer,

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40% known cardiovascular disease

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and about 20% other causes.

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And so cancer and cardiac disease are always

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kind of neck and neck for the number one causes.

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But the point is in almost every analysis,

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the vast majority of the cause of death is known.

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In fact, I reviewed a paper

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even among college age kids who die.

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And the number was far in excess

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of having the vignette known.

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It was a suicide, a motor vehicle accident,

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a drug overdose or a known cancer case.

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During COVID, the excess mortality that we found

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before the vaccines were rolled out

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could matched very well what the government

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was calling COVID deaths, okay?

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In terms of excess mortality by time,

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with all the bumps and all the ups and downs

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nationally for the US, the COVID deaths

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that the US was reporting

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matched that excess mortality quite closely.

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But when you looked at their data,

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they actually admitted that up to half

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and even more than half depending on the state

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of those deaths had comorbidity of bacterial pneumonia, okay?

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And at the same time, the prescription rates

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for antibiotics were dropped by 50% across the Western world.

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So we believe that a lot of people died

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from bacterial pneumonia during this period.

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In fact, the southern states in the United States

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normally get two to three times

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more prescriptions of antibiotics.

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I don't know if you knew that,

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but the poor southern states

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where there's higher levels of poverty,

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they get a lot of prescriptions of antibiotics,

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those were cut.

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What we found is that all cause mortality correlated perfectly

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with the fraction of the population

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that was living in poverty in the United States.

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Yeah, it's just stunning.

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It's a straight line.

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So if in a state that had no people living in poverty,

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there would have been no excess death

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according to this proportionality that we found.

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And so it was the poor people, they tend to be obese,

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they normally get prescribed a lot of antibiotics,

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meaning they're susceptible to lung infections.

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Those are the people who died in the United States

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and especially the elderly among in that group.

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Yeah, I think this is really, really important

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for the audience to hear.

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In just a minute we have left, though,

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I do have to ask you for your interpretation of this.

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Two former years of Pennsylvania scientists,

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a man or woman were awarded the Nobel Prize

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for their work in modifying messenger RNA

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to make it more durable in the human body,

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not really for creating the whole entity.

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There's over 9,000 patent documents on messenger RNA

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and the United States has been in this business since 1985.

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You know, the top patent holders for messenger RNA

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are a curvac and Sanofi and BioNTech Moderna

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in the US government, but no single person

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quote invented messenger RNA.

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But these two people just got the Nobel Prize for modifying it

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for COVID-19 vaccines.

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But all the press releases today

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say that the COVID-19 vaccines have saved

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somewhere between 14 and 25 million lives.

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The vaccines have saved lives.

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Dr. Rancourt, is there any way

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that COVID vaccines could be given this type of attribution

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of saving lives?

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Listen, it's unambiguous.

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All cause mortality by time in all countries

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that we've studied across the world,

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there is not a single example of evidence

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where you could conclude that lives were saved

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by the vaccine rollouts.

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There is no decrease in all cause mortality.

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It's the opposite.

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You go to a higher regime of all cause mortality.

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And then when you roll out the boosters,

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you get extra peaks on top of that fire regime.

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There is no jurisdiction where you can say,

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uh-huh, the vaccines are coming in.

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Now the deaths are coming down.

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No way, that does not happen.

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It never happens.

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It's the opposite.

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You have temporal association between vaccine rollouts

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and extra excess mortality.

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This may be the first Nobel Prize

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that's associated with increased worldwide mortality.

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I'll have to go back and year by year.

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But what a stunning observation.

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It's a bit of fascinating interview.

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Thank you so much.

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The other thing I have to say just quickly

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is that there are many, many countries around the world

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like Australia, Israel, many, many countries

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where there was absolutely no excess

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all cause mortality until the vaccine was rolled out.

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Right.

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But there was no excess that could be associated

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with any pathogen, there was no excess mortality.

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This is like country after country.

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There are many, many countries in Latin America,

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in the equatorial region, you know,

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where there is no excess mortality

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until the vaccines are rolled out.

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That's true.

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And there are some analyses during the pre-vaccine era

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of the pandemic.

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When there was a death, it tended to occur in people,

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you know, that were already beyond their life expectancy.

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Right. So that would not show up as an excess

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in all cause mortality.

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That's right.

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Yeah. So listen, thank you so much for your time.

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Jay, thanks for hosting us.

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And I've learned so much.

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I, you know, I hope your message continues to get out there.

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You're doing terrific work.

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Thanks, Peter.

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These types of ecological analyses are very important.

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They do have to be reconciled

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because you're reporting real information.

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So now it's all about interpretation

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and reconciliation with what we understand

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and other sources of data.

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I agree with you.

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There's not a single prospective double-blind,

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randomized, placebo control trial

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that showed the vaccines reduced the rate of death.

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And Peter, the best.

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Peter, the best.

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Over 3,400 papers in the previous literature

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of vaccine injuries, disabilities, and fatal cases.

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And we have many sources of data.

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Sadly, the Nobel laureates will not have their discovery

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linked to you.

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But remember, Peter, the reason why they got awarded

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Nobel prize is because it lasts much longer

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than they ever anticipated.

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It's turned out so much better.

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When they released this technology,

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they told us it was going to last a few weeks.

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It lasts much longer.

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That's why they decided to give them the Nobel.

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You know, that's a great point.

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Now listen, synthetic messenger RNA

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was injected to produce a missing protein like insulin

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and a type 1 diabetic or alpha-glycocidase and Fabrice's.

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Long-acting would be good.

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But when one's producing an antigen,

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a potentially lethal protein like the spike protein,

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long-acting is bad.

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You're right, Jay.

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You'd want it just there for very briefly,

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like tetanus, toxoid, and out.

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Listen, you guys, I have to finish up now.

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Yes, I'm sorry.

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Thank you so much for having me on the program.

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Thank you very much, Peter.

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Cheers.

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Bye.

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Nice to meet you.

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Bye now.

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So I think, yes, oh, that's perfect.

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Wow, I can't believe how well that went

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despite the fact that I dropped the ball.

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Are we on, are we on, are we live now?

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Yeah, we still are live, yes.

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OK, cool.

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I'm really, really happy with that.

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You have become a real jogger knot

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with presenting this in a way that, again, you know,

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I anticipated that the death certificates

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would come in as a discussion point.

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But without wanting to interrupt, then,

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there was a lot of delay of death reporting in 2020.

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And so only in retrospect can this be sorted out.

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If you tried to do this in 2020,

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you would not have seen this signal.

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Right, right.

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Yeah, no, they all cause mortality data is solid data.

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And it's certified up to the date, up to the latest date,

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where they've certified it.

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And it never changes.

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They never go back and change it and manipulate it.

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They never do.

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There is no historic example of that.

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So it's good data.

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Yeah, I think that this is the kind of bedrock

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that a movement can be built on in the sense of, you know,

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really trying to wear before when we would try to open

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people's eyes.

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There wasn't a lot of, you know, concrete to stand on.

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And so it's hard to tell people where to go.

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And I think now with your work, and I

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think Jessica Hockett also has a real knack for showing

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people, you know, look, it's not there.

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And these kinds of sharp, clear presentations of data,

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which show that there was not this biological phenomenon

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that we were told there was.

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It's not muddled by interpretation.

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You don't have to convolute the interpretation

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with the data to get the data.

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It's the raw.

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You know, this is it.

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Mortality versus time.

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And the way to get excess mortality compared

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to the historic trend is relatively straightforward.

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You have to be careful.

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You have to do statistically correctly.

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If the signal is small, there's some uncertainty.

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But these signals are huge.

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The excess mortality, when it occurs, is very big.

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So this is robust data.

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Yes.

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Yeah, it's solid.

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Can I ask you do you know, one of the things

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that happens when I present this solid data,

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a lot of the people who are uncomfortable with the idea

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that the government is not doing what it's said

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and that they've been lying and that maybe these

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are bad for you and so on, they will just go off the deep end

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with, oh, but it's a new variant that's come into play.

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You know, exactly at the moment where

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you have this sharp roll out of a booster to 80 plus year olds,

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you had a variant come in affecting those populations

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at exactly the same time.

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And this has happened every time.

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So when you say it's a booster that is directly

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temporally associated with each of these peaks

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in every age group and in every country you've looked at,

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when you roll out a booster, I would say that it's a variant.

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OK, so this is the kind of argument you get into.

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And you know, as well as I do, that the methodology

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for deducing the prevalence of variants in a society

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is just complete garbage science, right?

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Were you able to see garbage in your data

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the signal of, so I would assume,

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and I'm just going off my gut here,

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that the first two shots had a pretty wide uptake relative

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to the third and then relative to a booster.

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And the boosters would have been taken up

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by more and more old vulnerable people.

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Is that not correct?

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Yeah, but you see, we've got data by age group.

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So the data by age group is both for the vaccination

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and for the mortality.

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Right.

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OK, so it's how many people in that age group were injected.

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I see.

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And don't forget also that the elderly people

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get really targeted.

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There is this incredibly criminal, baseless policy

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that you have to protect them, therefore, you

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have to prioritize them for injection.

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And we've proven now that that is the opposite of what you

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should do.

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If you want to do a correct risk benefit analysis,

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you have to take into account that the risk of harm,

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the risk of death, increases exponentially

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with age for God's sakes.

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So that has to fold in.

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And they're not doing that whatsoever.

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They're assuming a flat line.

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And that's part of the problem.

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So the booster is what we see in our data

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is that the boosters are definitely more toxic as you

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go to more and more advanced rates.

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So I can show you, by age, in a country that has good data,

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doses 1 and 2, you get this exponential rise.

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But then the first booster, it's higher.

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It's the same doubling time, but it's a higher rise.

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And then those four, it's an even higher rise.

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And that systematically occurs every time.

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I really think that makes perfect sense

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with what we think the prevailing immunological mechanism

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is, and every time you activate it,

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you have potentially more of a catastrophic reaction.

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Yeah, a simple-minded person, like I described this in our paper,

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we compare the vaccines to being exposed to a toxic substance.

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And in that field, when you look at toxicology studies

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and so on, if the animal or the subject hasn't

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had time to recover from a first dose,

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then the second dose adds significant more damage.

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It's often it's not even linear.

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And then you can induce death that way.

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So successive doses, in a short enough time

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that you don't recover from the damage from the last dose,

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will do that, will do that as well.

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That's just a really simple-minded approach,

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ignoring all the immunological theory, right?

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Yeah, but that's in a way very powerful.

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I mean, that's what you want.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You want signals that emerge despite trying to miss them,

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despite trying to account for all.

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I mean, I think it's brilliant.

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And because also it gives me hope,

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because there is also this possibility

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that they had scrambled the numbers sufficiently

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so that the signal would be gone.

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Well, you know, the numbers, the data is scrambled

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when you look at all ages data.

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It's a lot harder to see the synchronicities

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and the correlations in time

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with data that's not discriminated by age group.

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Because, in fact, is exponential, you see?

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And because they're vaccinating different ages

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at different times, you get a lot of scrambling there.

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So the first people who looked at this

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who would just do the easiest thing,

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they'd wave their arms and say,

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I can't see anything here.

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But then once you start to discriminate by age,

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oh my God, these signals just come right out, you know?

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Yeah.

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Well, basically before you discriminate by age,

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you're comparing a potato to a potato.

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And then as soon as you have a given age group,

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you've got a series of spikes.

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Instead of a potato, it's like a series of spikes, you see?

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Yep.

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Yep.

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So it's very interesting in that sense.

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So our next paper, Jay, is going to be,

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what is your next paper?

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Our next paper is going to be more than 125 countries.

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We're just going to do the whole world.

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And we're almost done.

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We've got all the data analysis done and everything.

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And we're just setting it up to illustrate it as best we can.

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And we found some stunning results.

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Really interesting results that teach you a lot about health

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and about the nature of what happens

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when you do this on the world, right?

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So we're hoping to get this next paper out

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within a month or two.

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And we're working full blast for this one.

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We're using a statistical method called cluster analysis

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in order to find the countries that had similar behaviors

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in terms of their mortality.

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And we find these very definite clusters come out

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across different continents and so on

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that we can ascribe, that we can interpret

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in terms of what was going on there.

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So it's very neat.

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So kind of an habit to show do countries behave the same or not.

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So if you just look at a bunch of all cosmortality curves,

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one after the other, it's hard to make head or tail out of it

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because they can be so different and they're all over the place.

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And but if you use a statistical method to say,

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well, which of these belong together, you know,

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that kind of thing, you start to see these patterns

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and you start to then you look for factors

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that correlate to that behavior

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and you can say intelligent things.

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So that's our next paper.

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We're going to show how you can do that.

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And what can you give us a teaser?

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Like what kinds of things?

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Is it protocols that correlate?

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OK, OK.

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What are the main signals that comes out?

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It's really stunning, is the incredibly large mortality

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that happened before the COVID,

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before the vaccines were rolled out

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in the Eastern bloc in Russia,

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in Russia and the Eastern bloc countries,

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had huge mortality, OK?

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And it wasn't, this is interesting

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because it didn't occur right after the pandemic was announced.

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They didn't have that spike that the Western world had.

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But then the winter that followed,

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after, you know, almost a year of going crazy with,

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we have to save ourselves,

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the winter that followed was incredibly destructive.

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Wow.

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Huge mortality.

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And we believe that that is related to the safety net

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that baby boomers lost at the dissolution

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of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s.

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So these are the people at the ages

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that are vulnerable to die at high risk of dying.

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They no longer have the safety net

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that the state was guaranteeing for them.

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They're in, you know, they're in poverty.

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They're in difficult times.

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And the government is coming in and threatening

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to vaccinating them, starting to roll out the flu shots

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and forcing them to be isolated,

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forcing them, you know, to be psychologically stressed

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and so on, massive deaths in that group.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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That's going to be a story inside of stories

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that it sounds like to me.

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Yeah, we've got a lot of stories inside of stories

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when we start looking at the world like that.

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Yes.

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And the beautiful thing about looking at the world too

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is it's a really beautiful illustration

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of epidemiology itself.

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You know, you see this no seasonal pattern

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in the equatorial region.

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It's reversed in the southern hemisphere.

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It's the other way in the northern hemisphere.

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The magnitude changes with latitude,

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but you also have the underlying population effects.

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So it's quite fascinating.

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The thing I regret most is that we can't have data

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for China, they won't give it.

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And there's no data for equatorial Africa,

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which would be really important.

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But then again, if we were,

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if we were getting good mortality data in equatorial Africa,

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that would probably put a lot of pressure

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on the people who exploit those countries

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to stop being so violent and so cruel.

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So maybe, you know, it kind of goes together.

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They're totally oppressed and exploited,

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and we don't know anything about their mortality.

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Crazy, I had no idea that.

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That must've been a kind of a surprising find or not

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that that was...

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Yes, when we make a map of the world,

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the middle of Africa is white because there's no data.

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That is not a good sign for living in Africa.

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You cannot find data.

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And the people who project and who guess the data,

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like the UN does this, it's completely unreliable.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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That is terrifying, actually, if you think about it.

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If you live in a place where the UN does not have data

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on all cause mortality, that must mean bad things.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So those are the kinds of things you discover

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when you start to take a broad brush approach to all of this.

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Yep.

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Well, I appreciate your flexibility here.

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And this, you've been, you've been just fabulous.

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I didn't mean to cut you off,

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but I feel like I'm taking too much of your time now

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given the deal we had.

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It was a pleasure to be here, as always.

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I think I was here once or twice before.

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Yes.

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And we should have you again,

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especially if you're gonna have another paper out.

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It was really, I'm happy that we have this connection now

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so that we can get an article in the defender right away

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and that we can get the rest of the network away

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as soon as the thing is out there.

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So just keep me in the loop.

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I will absolutely do that.

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Yes.

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And I'm sorry again for screwing up the time

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and thank you for being so flexible

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that we actually caught Peter anyway.

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I apologize, I've done it myself.

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I think you did an excellent job.

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I think Peter's got some stuff to think about.

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And if he didn't have an interview light after this,

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I bet he'd still be talking to us.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think it gave him things that he didn't,

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he didn't go to the place where,

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no, no, there was the COVID was a terrible thing.

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We could have saved people by treating it.

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He didn't go there.

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No, he didn't.

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And he did when I interviewed him a few months ago.

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And so I do think there's been movement

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and also you may not be aware,

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but he actually basically came out

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and questioned the vaccine schedule in America

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a couple of weeks ago,

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which was, he also admitted was a first for him.

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He might be shifting

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and this may have been a very big meeting.

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So let's make many people are evolving.

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I've met a lot of immunologists

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who are questioning fundamental immunology, you know,

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themselves.

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They've come to it there.

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Well, it's fundamental to fundamental immunology

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is that respiratory viruses are fought off

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by seroprevalence antibodies.

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And then they definitely need to revamp it.

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Goodness sakes.

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Okay, well, thank you very much for joining me, Danny.

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And I will, I'm just so pleased

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that we became friends and please stay in touch

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and I'll have you on again in time.

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I'm here.

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Okay, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Bye-bye now.

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Wow, I gotta tell you guys, I really,

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I really blew that time.

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So Peter is in central time

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and he said six o'clock,

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which is seven o'clock our time.

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And I for some reason thought for the,

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since I put it in my calendar,

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that it was seven o'clock my time, six o'clock Peter's time.

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And since Denny and I are in the same time zone,

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that made sense.

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But actually, which is super annoying in my calendar,

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it starts at six p.m.

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So all I had to do was look at my calendar

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and I would have known that it's not at seven at six.

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And lucky for me,

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Denny was flexible.

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Peter logged back in and we caught him at six 30

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and we got Denny to give him a 20 minute elevator pitch.

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Actually Peter even started the show for me

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because I was so frazzled that I said,

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no, no, you guys are already live.

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Just start.

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And so then Peter actually opened the show.

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There was no intro.

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One of the sloppiest shows of my life,

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but at least we had a nice backdrop for our council fire.

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I thought that worked really, really well.

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I was actually super pleased with the council fire.

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I don't know if I can do this.

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Oh, I wanted to do it like that.

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This was pretty good, right?

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I mean, it looks nice.

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And so the next time I have a couple of guests on,

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I will go with the council fire again.

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I like that.

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I have to recruit my boy to get a little better fire

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going in the beginning there,

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but they almost started the rest of the,

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the rest of the, the yard on fire.

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That was kind of funny when they were thrown in the cardboard.

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I don't know if you noticed that.

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Anyway, I'm going to cut it shorty here

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because I think it's a beautiful show as it is.

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And I don't want to ruin something

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that turned out much better than it should have given

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that I dropped the ball.

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Thank you very much for joining me.

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This has been GIGO Biological High Resistance

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Illinois Information Brief.

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Brought to you by a biologist.

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This was a council fire with,

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this is what I would have had.

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And I've been not dropping the ball.

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This is what I would have had.

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Oh, whoops.

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This is what we did tonight.

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It was a council fire with Denny Rancor and Peter McCullough.

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And it was an excellent, excellent show.

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I really enjoyed it.

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I'm still trying to figure out how to use this.

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I guess I got, I switched my cameras around.

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I was, I was scrambling for my cameras

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like at the last minute.

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And then I got the mail at 10 after six.

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We thought it was at six o'clock.

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And so I had to like plug in four HDMI cables

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in their right place, turn on three star two computers

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and set up the stream in less than a minute

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and then get zoom going anyway.

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I blew it, but it didn't go bad.

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And that's because Denny and Peter really needed to meet.

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And so I'm humbled and honored that they got to meet

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on this show.

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Thanks for joining me.

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I'll see you tomorrow.